I really don't get people who have kids instead of just

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Because having children who love you is enjoyable.

>breading
>primitive
>pointless
That's a stupid opinion.

>>36813021
That is bullshit propaganda to get whites to stop breeding I live next to a town where the somoli's have 8+ children in a small apartment

>>36813021
>white couple
>Jewish author

Ayyyy

>>36813043
>>36813254
>>36813261
Yeah, because so many people today actually enjoy raising their kids. That's why they always immediately kick them out of the house once they legally turn 18 so they can salvage what's left of their miserable lives.

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>having children


originislia

>>36813276
>That's why they always immediately kick them out of the house once they legally turn 18

I'm 24 and my parents have told me I can live with them as long as I have to.

>>36813294
Sure you do you little guy.

I won't have children because it's wrong to. I wouldn't inflict this world on anyone.

>>36813261
>>36813254
Or, ya know, maybe they legitimately don't think it's worth having kids.

>>36813021
This is garbage. People aren't having kids because wages are stagnant and people know they don't have enough time to give to their children to raise them properly. This turns a major social crisis into a Disney cartoon.

>>36813043
I don't think there's a single parent who would call raising kids "enjoyable"
Rewarding maybe, but it's a 24/7 job that doesn't pay

>>36813312
What's your point? OP said all parents kick out their kids at 18, I told him otherwise. Most of my friends are adults who live with their parents. Only one was kicked out and his dad was a strict gook.

>>36813276
>>36813021

Are you glad you exist? If so then you kinda have an obligation to pass on the gift of existence if you can get a decent partner.

>>36813427

It would be enjoyable at times.

What the fuck does "enjoying" your life even mean, you cocksucking degenerate? Popping pills in a club bathroom with your whore of a "girlfriend" because she vomits on your cock, calls you a faggot, then fucks the bar tender while you pathetically try to hit on chicks half your age like a fucking weirdo? Spending thousands or millions of dollars on transient, material crap that has no real value and only gives you a thrill for five seconds before you realise you traded hundreds of hours of your pathetic, meandering life for it?

"Having fun" for you disgusting degenerate cunts means nothing more than fucking as many loose whores as possible, then stumbling home at 5AM wondering where all the time is gone, wondering why you didn't have two sons and a daughter to raise and teach about the world. Disgusting fucking animals.

>>36813021
Having children is morally wrong. Everyone loves breaking moral laws.

>>36813021
>(((Sandler)))

Yes, goyim, don't have kids. They're too much trouble.

>>36813276
>once they legally turn 18

implying there's an illegal way to turn 18

>>36813464
>Are you glad you exist?
You do realize where you are, right?

>>36813494
>>36813481
Why have kids when you can have sex with a different girl every second hour?

>>36813464
An obligation to whom? I can't be obligated to a person that doesn't exist.

>>36813276
>kick them out of the house once they legally turn 18
Only in America.

>>36813464
says who?
I have no obligations to do such a thing

>>36813464
>Are you glad you exist? If so then you kinda have an obligation to pass on the gift of existence if you can get a decent partner.

What a stupid argument, there's no state of "unexistence" that a person can experience. If you're not born there's nothing that can feel a need for self-preservation

>>36813499

Well if you're clinically depressed then no you shouldn't have kids. I'm talking about healthy people tho, like on the cover of the Time mag.

>>36813508
Children with genetic diseases can sue their parents for bringing them into existence. It's just a matter of time till the autism and social disorders that we have will qualify. Then it will be morally wrong to bring autistic children into existence.

>>36813445
The point is, if you aren't larping then you are apart of a pretty small minority.

Most american parents gladly kick their kids out on the curb once they are considered adults by the state.

Its more along the lines of parents getting over the novelty of having a child and just viewing them as a burden and can't wait to get rid of them.

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>>36813021
https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/ m'ilord

I am surprised to see /r9k/ is not more anti-natalist. We all know very well the suffering life makes possible. Would you really be willing to force that upon somebody who never had to exist? Your genes have already failed you. Who's to say they will not fail another?

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>>36813481
>Disgusting fucking animals.
That didn't make any sense. Animals are the ones mindlessly breeding. Making a conscious choice to not procreate is literally the opposite of being a "disgusting animal"

>>36813481
Reductio ad absurdum. When people say they want it to be more enjoyable, much of the time they mean they just don't want to go through the tedious process of raising children.

>>36813644
When you're raising children, you can't play vidya, has secks and watch anime/tv series as much as you like. Also children take a huge cut out of your wallet.

>>36813638
Animals only think about themselves and their immediate pleasure/needs, they have no concept of the joy and spirituality of creating and rearing life.

>>36813644
You know what people actually mean when they talk about not wanting to have kids because they wanna have "fun", champ? They are talking about watching 20 fucking Netflix series, crying on Facebook, and maybe, hopefully fucking random strangers to fill the void left by their unwillingness to fulfill their basic spiritual and physical responsibility. They're hedonistic materialists, and thus deserve absolutely no care. Monsters turned hideous by modernity and media. I have never met a happy or fulfilled childless person (especially women) over 40. They're always fucking miserable.

>>36813678
>I have never met a happy or fulfilled childless person (especially women) over 40.

Really? Not one? It's been the opposite for me (excluding women)

I have rarely met a happy man who has kids, especially in the corporate environment

>>36813678
>They're hedonistic materialists, and thus deserve absolutely no care. Monsters turned hideous by modernity and media.

And you want these people to make more of themselves?

>>36813678
If these people had children, they'd be raised by a single mother because of the divorces that will inevitably happen because they're toasties and chads that want a new person to fuck. These people will cheat on each other and create a shitty single mother environment for their kids.

>>36813678
we're living in freedom, thus people are free what they want to do
now drink your daily nigger semen dosage, /pol/
i'm also curious what will your argubent against >>36813425
quantity is clearly taking over quality in society and people don't want to feel worthless, but it is inevitable during inflation and rampant corruption
you can't ask someone to be happy when he's nothing but a working ant working for a "better future", unless you're a Man in the High Castle tier meme

>>36813678
>basic spiritual and physical responsibility
It sounds like those old chain letters: "If you do not pass existence onto 3 others, a lifetime of unhappiness awaits you".

Testing testing this is a test

>>36813021
When you have kids your life has purpose.
Without a family you'll be miserable.
There's absolutely no arguing this fact- it's just intrinsically true.

This fact is why this board exists.

>>36813634
I'm antinatalist, unless the conditions were perfect (I.e; I could be with the kids 24/7 raising and teaching them until adult hood, we Lived far from degeneracy, I had a non whore virgin as their mom) but since that Isn't happening, I'm not risking bringing another person like myself into this soon to be lifeless world

Testing I'm testing

>>36813851
What if in vitro fertilization existed for men and was available for robots like us?
>go to the hospital
>jack off in a cup
>go home
>wait 9 months
>go back to the hospital to pick up your new kid
Yeah I suppose it'll make us a little happier but we'll still be pretty unhappy because we never got laid.

>>36813427
I have a bunch of friends with kids and they seem to enjoy it for the most part.

>>36813760
yeah? well fuck you too! White people should breed! But not the degenerate ones!
But that's the majority of whites
No it's not! White women are pure and the men definitely care about the future of their race!

>>36813851
Are you implying
1) that life can have a purpose beyond the one you give it?
2) that children are the only way to obtain a "purpose"?

Because I disagree to both points.

>>36813851
When you have kids your life loses purpose.
With a family you'll be miserable.
There's absolutely no arguing this fact- it's just intrinsically true.

>>36813983
But it's not
Sage
Sage
Sage

>>36813021
its actually so they can flood the west with Muslims but i guess youre too "smart" to see reality

>>36813427
you are completely incorrect anon

>>36813995
My ass is just as valid a source as yours is.

>>36813995
>being this butthurt
Reddit's more your speed, kid.

>>36814014
Why exactly should I care about the west when it rejects me?

>>36813021
I am pregnant with my first, a boy. Already the wait is amazing, nothing you could ever imagine, this intense love and longing and hope.

>>36814014
"Because duh Joos and Mudslims" is not a good enough reason, Anon.

>>36813481
Calm down poltard lmao

I would love to have kids but I am too poor and stressed to take care of anyone else besides myself.

>>36813634
Cause it's full of normalfags m8

I've yet to see people with kids who are both happy and treat their kids well. Having a child is either used as an escape from the miserable reality of life, or as a check box on the bucket list.

Either you commit and waste your life, or don't and ruin your child's life. Either way, it's an even trade, so what's the point in doing it at all? It's not logical.

It has been, is, and always will be the stupidest decision a person can make in their life. No surprise, then, that it's always the less intelligent people who choose to make that decision most often.

>>36814298
some people actually like kids and have different life goals than you do, what is a wasted life for one might be a dream to another. You get your values from home, education doesnt get in the way of wanting a family.

>>36813634
I never understood the "why bring another person into this world because the world is so bad"

Experiencing this world is better than not experiencing it, otherwise you would have committed suicide by now.

>>36814561
>otherwise you would have committed suicide by now
But suicide isn't necessarily a solution for most people thinking that way, but rather a negation to one's suffering. You don't need to be suffering to the point you give in to the desire of suicide to think it's better off you weren't born.

>>36813021

You're like 25, of course you don't want kids right now. You will at 40 though.

For every one 40 year old in the city who is loving the child free life and seeing the world and what not (spoiler: it's just going to different bars And having hookups), there are four childless 40 year olds that are fucking sad, miserable creatures.

I mean, look at yourself right now. You're on /r9k/. A lot of good your values/goals are doin ya, huh?

A 40 year old man with no wife, no kids, and a smile on his face is merely a bird who has grown fond of his cage. "I don't want kids"....you're like one of those people who think they're part of the "sleep elite" (only need four hours) when really you are just unhealthy and your sleep patterns are all fucked up.

You most likely want kids and a wife. And if you don't, it's most likely because you are miserable. Prove me wrong, because the current batch of childless 40 year olds certainly aren't.

>>36814805
>living past your 30s in the first place

What the fuck are you doing here anyway? You aren't convincing any of us with your normie bullshit.

>>36813634

Because the purpose of life is to kindle a fire in the darkness of the unknown. All you're saying is you are too weak to step up to the chAllenge.

I can force someone into existence just like I can force someone out of a burning building. It's worth it.

>why is it worth it

Because their life has value.

>why does their life have value

Because if non-existence is worthless, then existence is worthful, else we wouldn't be differentiating between existence and non existence in the first place.

Are you sure you're not just a pathetic nihilist?

I would rather kill myself than raise a kid. No way am I flushing my life and my money down the toilet like that.

>>36814897

>dying in your 30s

Following christ's archetype is the most normie thing a man can do.

>>36814668
I disagree, it's a choice between two things
>living
>not living

people overwhelmingly choose living, I think that makes the whole "cruel to bring another human into the world" thing a bit fallacious - put your money where your mouth is sort of deal

>>36813494

>the overlap between /pol/ and /r9k/

is this why stormfaggots on /pol/ get so hur, mad and upset when you tell them they only think that because they're virgins?

>>36814986
>existence is worthful
Why?

Obviously there's some value to life. Think about it. You guys chose YEARS of talking about suicide instead of actually doing it. You'd rather get together with other humans and talk about suicide and fart porn than actually end your life. You guys are the lowest of the low and you still unintentionally end up affirming life just by your own nature. If there wa no value the board wouldn't exist cause we would have killed ourselves. You throw out trash. You erase mistakes. You flush shit. You rid your world of valueless things everyday. You are compelled to rid the world of valuelessness, so why don't you rid yourself and/or others? Cause life has value and deep down you know it. You're just mad/sad at something.

>>36814986
Have you ever wanted someone to die or not exist in the first place?
Then you don't believe all human life has value.
Therefore you can't use that as an argument for having children.

For example, you would not save Hitler/Stalin/some serial killer/cannibal/pedophile from a burning building.

If you would, then I absolutely respect your opinion.

>>36815105
Because non-existence is worthless.

>>36815226
And why should that mean existence is worthful?

>>36815080
>people overwhelmingly choose living
I guarantee you that if the people that haven't been born knew what they would go through, they would overwhelmingly choose "not living".

>>36815202

>Have you ever wanted someone to die or not exist in the first place

A whim is not a compelling argument, it's just a whim. Try again.

>For example, you would not save Hitler/Stalin/some serial killer/cannibal/pedophile from a burning building.

That's exactly what we do. When a town is burning down, we transfer the prisoners, we don't leave them to rot. The Dark Knight mentioned this actually.

>>36815244

It's implied by the very definitions of the terms "non existence" and "worthless".

The only way to disagree with me would be to argue that non-existence has worth. I'd like to see you try to argue that.

It's always the same old tired arguments from pro-natalists, isn't it...

>>36815193
>if life so bad, why aren't anti-natalists kill ??? ddd-did u think of that??
>checkmate anti-natalism!!
See >>36814668

i dont want to pass on my ugly genes. since im unattractive i can only get unattractive chicks

our spawn is going to be ugly as well. why condemn a child to that life? that's just cruel and should be punishable by death

>>36813021
I have an aunt and uncle who don't have kids, both upper management (aunt is a regional manager at a bank, uncle senior security analyst). They have a good amount of money, pretty good sized house in Vancouver, vacation 4-6 months a year. Sounds absolutely perfect huh?

Thing is they are super weird people. Aunt does nothing but drink wine all day and is the most annoying person you've ever met if she's not buzzed. Uncle is basically my aunts little bitch boy, whatever his princess wants she gets. When he speaks to anyone he has this attitude like he's better than you like he's autistic or something, but he's not. Neither really understands social context and won't shut the fuck up about their recent golf round, or whatever wine they bought 40 cases of, etc etc.

Having kids seems to ground people and teaches them how to properly interact with others. Child-free people in my experience (aunt and uncle and others, especially single people age 40+) are like those weird kids in high school that try to make friends by bragging about their expensive belongings and get confused when no one gives a shit and stops talking to them.

>>36815539

If you think it's better that you weren't born it wouldn't make sense to continue living when you could easily go back to the state you were in before you were born. You have the perfect opportunity to prove the state you were in prior to birth is better than the state after.

>>36815726
>when you could easily go back to the state you were in before you were born
Overriding your primal fear of death isn't that easy for most people, no matter how irrational you may personally find that fear to be.

I wish you the best.

to go to sleep and never wake up tonight.

reply to this or your mom will die instead of you

jokes on you, I don't want to wake up

>>36815726
>"Just kill yourself it's easy"

Retard

>>36815726
Well, this is false because, the state caused by me existing is different than the one that would exist had I never been born.

Essentially, while I could kill myself, that only changes this reality where I did exist. I would rather this never have happened(I.e dad banging mom) and I simply would not have ever existed. Having lived and become entangled with this life, I am not going to "just kill myself" at this moment because I'm somewhat interested in how bearable I can make this life. This does not mean that I want children, no matter how much people insist that children make life better.

I am simply living to live and nothing more.

Still not a single post in this thread on why you should have a child except subjective nonsense like "it'll give your life meaning" or you have an obligation to pass on life.

>>36813276
Not in mexico or any other country with morals

>>36813021
The only people falling for the no child meme are whites, dune coons, spics, niggers, and Asians keep popping them out

>>36813481
Sounds good to me

orig and all...

>>36817312
and so we must care, beeccaause......?

Birth rates decline with advancement.

It's literally happened every time a country industrializes and it is nothing to be concerned with.

>>36813021
>because people are more educated and see breeding as a primitive, pointless activity
You watch too many sci-fi movies anon. People aren't breeding or are breeding too little because they are selfish and want to be manchild/little girls for the rest of their lives and don't want children to get in the way with their pleasure.


Although one thing about being ugly is that at least I have an excuse not to reproduce, if I don't have a child at 40 people won't call me a manchild.

>>36817253
Still not a single post in this thread on why you should not have a child except subjective nonsense like "you'll enjoy life more" or you have an obligation to not have kids.

>>36817487
It is something to be concerned with when birth rates elsewhere on earth are growing, especially in third-world areas.

>>36817312
Actually anon asians have declining population rates as well. Such as Japan and S.Korea who have been warn that they might go extinct. China as well is declining.

>>36813021
>wondering why you didn't have two sons and a daughter to raise and teach about the world.

This world that we live in point blankly is a fucked up place, why would I want to bring an innocent baby into this hell. I never have to wonder why I didn't have a kid I would never want anyone, let alone my only begotten son or daughter, to live out their life in a society that hates and belittles them while calling them privileged oppressors at the same time.

>>36817511
Not really, their birthrates with drop as well once they stop being cave people.

Immigrates to industrialized areas birthrates decline rapidly too since that is likely what you're getting at.

>>36817547
It's not nice when they come here, leech on welfare and build mosques with outside fundings.

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>>36813575
it frustrates me so much when people I otherwise fully respect want to reproduce and they don't seem to acknowledge the moral consequences of it

>>36813021
Perfectly normal to not want kids and vice versa wee need that balance to continue life and also prevent over population

>natalist get blown the fuck out
>thread dies

I knew they were the majority

*white birth rates are decreasing. black, mudslime and black mudslime birthrates are at an all time high

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>>36815080
>Then they would just stop smoking cigarettes!

There is a surge in suicide rates for all demographics (except 1 specific age, race combination for whatever reason). Normal people don't have to make a conscious decision about whether or not they must logically commit suicide.

Pleasure isn't happiness. Chasing it only leads to misery. Hedonism is a terrible philosophy. Look at sluts, addicts, modern man - none are happy.

Build a family and take care of it. Fill your life with meaningful obligations. Find a place of honor in the tribe and improve your community. This is what makes humans happy. Like aristotle said "Man is by nature a social animal".

Kindle a fire of subjective meaning against the howling uncaring material world. Yes, life is hard, and you doom your line to suffer, but suffering isn't all that bad. Pleasure and pain are fleeting, meaning is what is important.

>>36817596
That's the second time you reply to me with this pic anon.

>>36813493
I'd agree with this - in my mind, having kids is just wrong, period.

>>36817720
>Build a family and take care of it. Fill your life with meaningful obligations. Find a place of honor in the tribe and improve your community.

t. person without a full time job

>>36817786
I have a full time job that I enjoy. Work is good for the soul

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>>36813021
yes, good, very good goy, 50 shekels have been deposited into your account!

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>>36817734
lul nice.

>>36817720
>meaning is what is important
Meaning is self ascribed meaning I can say not having kids is meaningful to me. Also, the "tribe" has neglected me all throughout childhood. Not to say my direct family but society at large definitely did. Why should I keep feeding it?

>>36815080
So by choosing not to end my life, I have to bring more suffering beings into existence? Ok.

>>36817804
Let them have it. We had our chance and let them in. I'm sorry you were too busy getting mad at a computer screen to go out and do anything, like convince others that maybe immigrants aren't such a good idea, or forming large non-profits that support the use of the home-grown workforce and provide native families with the resources to compete with state-fed Muslim immigrants.

Fuck off

>>36817720
Why would having a family make my life any more happy? Why do we have to inflict this hell world consciousness on new toys you create and coerce to feel "meaningfully" happy and fulfilled? Don't you see how utterly fucked this all is? It's like an emotional ponzi-scheme.

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>>36817805
D-don't be like that it makes me want to impregnate tissues again.

If society is in such a state that people have to take out giant long term loans just to go to school and earn 40k per year, how do you expect that anybody responsible would have kids?

I mean shit, 1/4 of my income is deducted directly from my paycheck in part to pay for black teenage single mothers who will never contribute to my life or the economy at large

>>36817807
Meaning is connected to emotions, it's instinctual. You get by filling biological or cultural imperatives.

Sorry that the tribe abandoned you. Hating it and mankind is a reasonable reaction. I'm not saying I don't understand why you are an antinatalist, I do. The tribe decided you were defective and that made you a misanthrope.

But you are still wrong. If you were to prove them wrong and raise a happy and healthy family and become a productive member of society - that would give you your greatest chance of finding happiness and transcendental value.

If you have a reasonable suspicion that the life you provide for your child will be equal to or worse than your own life is, (or the bad things outweighing the good things) I would argue that it's morally wrong to force that hardship upon them, and having kids is immoral.

For example: if you are living in a trailer park with an unreliable wife, maybe divorce is in the back of your mind, etc. That's an immoral situation to force human life into that suffering. Their entire life would be significantly impacted by that upbringing and it most likely wouldn't be a good experience.

>>36817720
>Pleasure isn't happiness
truth

>>36817913
I am defective, yes, and that is partially why I choose to not have kids. No one should be forced to live with whatever the hell is going on in my head.

I'm not wrong, since I am taking the moral position here. I refuse to let some sort of "biological or cultural imperative" voodoo change my position to not make any more suffering beings.

If cloning becomes a thing and is cheap, maybe I'll do that. I lived once, I can do it again. But not someone (completely metaphorical because they are not existing or in the process of coming into existence) who has not seen the evil of the world.

Besides, it's all a chance anyhow. No guarantee. The only guarantee is that I (meaning this body) will die eventually. What lies beyond is beyond my control and is not something I will worry about. I hope for nothingness but we'll see.

>>36817720
What happens when you can't get a wife? Or when your genes are garbage? Or when you're sterile?

It's cool to go full Jordan Peterson on us but he and you never ever ever talk about the cases where you're not a sexy young guy with perfect health.

>>36817880
lol at emotional ponzi scheme, that's hilarious and really astute.

We have to inflict it on our children because we are life, that is what we do, we reproduce. That is our purpose, and we should embrace it.

All the good and bad is part of life. It's what we are. I accept and affirm my nature.

But to be less abstract and flowery. I do see the incredible arrogance involved in creating a life. Pulling a new soul into this world is giant act, it's hard to really argue that we know what we are doing.

>>36815351
What about the people who kill themselves?

>>36818038
You said it yourself, and yet you "embrace" it? How can you look at the world and just say
>lol were animals it's what we're supposed to do XD
You don't have to inflict it on any one except yourself. I don't understand and I guess I can't

>>36818038
Life doesn't have a purpose. Nothing has a purpose. Biology as it exists is just a result of things that happen, not things that NEED to happen for some moral reason.

>>36813021
That's why you are being outbreed by negroes,spics, chinks and sandniggers

>>36818016
>>36817973
>>36818024
Yeah you are all correct. If you are defective or truly will not be able to provide a stable family and an optimistic start for your family, than you shouldn't reproduce. But that's different than arguing antinatalism for the entire species. Living a life of material hedonism is still a miserable thing.


>>36818016
>I'm not wrong, since I am taking the moral position here. I refuse to let some sort of "biological or cultural imperative" voodoo change my position to not make any more suffering beings.

It's not voodoo. Suffering is obviously only a bad thing in the context of a biological imperative. You avoid pain because your brain says avoid pain. Suffering isn't intrinsically morally bad.

And avoiding pain is a low level, thoughtless instinct. Useful to avoid getting burnt in the moment but not a good thing to shape a life philosophy. Human flourishing requires accepting some pain to fulfill our higher order instincts like socializing and building a family.

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>>36817891
You could either mean paper tissues or human tissue with this request for me to stop. I wonder if you intended that?

>>36817312
So everyone is falling for the no child meme and still popping kids out...?

>>36817502
Of course there is.
Some people said they are mentally ill and ugly to want to bring in another person to suffer the same life.

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>>36818203
I-I meant paper tissues of course! After reading my post I saw that it could be taken that way but it wasn't intended desu. Next time I'll talk about impregnating the toilet or the trash can so there's no misunderstanding! I'm really sorry about that!

>>36817720
Pleasure is fleeting
Pain is everlasting

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>>36818024
MAKE YOURSELF ATTRACTIVE FOR THE OPPOSITE SEX

>>36818166
I do argue it for the entire race because to what end do you keep breeding? What is it you plan on achieving? The only thing I can think of that will happen is potential bodily harm to all of your people.

Think; say we are five generations away from a giant meteor hitting the Earth. This is a verifiable fact in this scenario. No amount of preparation can stop this thing. So, within 5 generations, we can stop humanity from experiencing the literal pain this meteor would cause. How? By not forcing them to exist.

Now, I'm not saying there is a meteor coming but look around and see all the physical suffering and then also the inevitable collapse of the universe. Things like plagues, wars, niggers raping your kids, are all things that could and more than likely will happen to your offspring.

I just don't see how you can be comfortable to condemning people to that life when they could just not exist.

>>36818327
All the more reason to have kids.

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>>36818275
Nah don't worry, I'm the weird one - I just stand up and impregnate my desk and wipe it off afterwards. Well, I guess it ends up in tissues in the end my way, too. But those tissues end up in the trash. So what am I impregnating? The desk, the tissues, or the trash can? This is the important question.

Having kids is selfish.
The only people who have kids are those whose lives are so empty and boring, they NEED to spit out a clone of themselves so they feel like there life has meaning.

Sad.

>>36817913
>biological or cultural imperatives
Lmao no
You can give meaning to literally whatever you want.

>>36818166
>Yeah you are all correct. If you are defective or truly will not be able to provide a stable family and an optimistic start for your family, than you shouldn't reproduce. But that's different than arguing antinatalism for the entire species. Living a life of material hedonism is still a miserable thing.
Just because I won't have a family of my own doesn't mean my life has to be miserable or spent on hedonism. In fact I'm toning down the hedonism since I started my own company.

>>36818371
I'm short and ugly. People won't see me as a potential sexual and romantic partner, ever.

>>36817913
>productive member of society
Yeah, let's look at all the single moms and welfare kings and queens. Sooooo productive right. Definitely not parasites leaching of actual hard working people...

>>36818412
I think happiness in humans would go up if there were strict laws on who could have children. Obviously letting individuals decide hasn't worked out so well.

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>>36818396
You're a lewd beast, fantasizing about impregnating everything around you like that! But in your case I think you're impregnating your desk. Maybe if the tissues and the trash can want child support and alimony from you they impregnate themselves with your love juice though. I'd be careful if I was you. You should marry your desk desu, for the stability of the relationship.

>>36813021
Tell that to people in Africa.

>>36813021
It's like that guy said. If you don't have children, your going to wake up one day when your like 50 and wish you could change the past. Having children is hardwired into our brains. The child free life is hedonistic and empty.

>>36818166
Breeding is a thoughtless instinct.

>>36818630
Well, luckily, I'm going to die before 40 so only, at most, 10 years of wizardry. My guess is that those who are empty are those who has sex once but never manage to find a decent mate.

Wizards transcend and therefore probably don't feel "empty"

>>36813276

It's called parental hormones, and you get them once you have a kid.

You didn't find girls attractive until you hit puberty. You won't enjoy kids until you have them.

>>36818630
This is literally the exact same subjective guilt-tripping pro-natalist tripe about the "child free life" posted multiple times in this exact thread.

>>36813254
Man, I have no issues with people who do want children but that is the worst possible argument for having children. A person has literally no obligation to his or her race.
>>36813549
But people who don't exist can't sue. And you can't sue in the place of a person who does not exist.

>>36813021
Yeah, and then women end up killing themselves because they wasted their 20's and 30's being utter whores and letting their ovaries dry up.

Women are happier with children. Men are happier with children. Why? Purpose.

You can't deny science, and it's biologically built into us.

They always end up having dogs or whatever and saying "MOMMY'S HOME" when they get home. Fuckin' ew.

>>36813481
You must live a completely shallow life if that's how you see life as "enjoyable".

I wish I wasn't born, fuck breeders

breeding should only be allowed for people with the very best in terms of genetics and means of providing for their kids

>>36818741
I'd rather the white whores all die than get stuck having a kid with one just because "I'm supposed to"

Also, happiness is fleeting, as they say. You will feel good for a while until you aren't able to provide for them or your wife fucks the neighbor and then you get divorced and she takes the money and kids.

We should get UBI in exchange for sterilization desu!

>>36818808
I'm with you man. Breeders and the normie enablers must all perish from this Earth. Then one generation of Antinatalist paradise and then nothing. Heaven to me

>>36818819
Or I can just not have sex, and work a job that covers my very most basic needs and maybe some extra spending cash. Fuck sterilisation

>>36818859
>Fuck sterilisation
Breeder in disguise desu

>>36818374
Why have kids when life is mostly suffering?

>>36818813
Yeah, shit happens. That's part of life.

It gives you purpose, dude, you can't deny that.

>>36818741
Oh, what a surprise. More subjective guilt-tripping tripe against child free life with the same old reductio ad absurdum generalising bullshit.

>>36818630
And once your 50, you wish you could travel the world and fulfill your hedonistic desires. But you can't because your tied down to children and a wife constantly sucking the life out of your soul.

See, life sucks either way you look at it.

>>36818893
I do deny it gives me "purpose" my dude. It is ascribed to things that make us feel good about ourselves and I'm not ascribing it to that. My purpose is to die. There

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>>36814805
Then, go and make a family. I promise your life will become a living hell.

I just want a cute daughter

>>36818910
I'm not guilting anyone, I'm pointing out a biological truth. Don't get all butthurt because you'll live an ultimately pointless and meager life in the end.

Nobody is going to care 10 years after you die.

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Fuck this board.
It's filled with brainwashed faggots.

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>>36818219
>pretending his improper punctuation legitimately obscured your understanding
either lurk moar and practice your reading comprehension, or go back

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>>36813021
your friendly reminder, cuckold.

>>36813021
>get old
>stuck in a retirement home and die around randoms
>have kids who take care of you as you have for them

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>>36819036
Get out, Mongrel

>>36813021
It's becoming less economically viable every year and millennials are far too aware/scared of their economic situation to commit to a money sink for 18 years.

>>36813493
I don't see how having children is immoral. Raising them improperly is, but having a child isn't inherently immoral.

lol this thread again

no actually successful people who live actually enjoyable lives go childfree

even niggas like kanye who are super successful and mentally instable still have kids

t. investment banker whose colleagues all plan on having kids even though they are total degenerates who do blow on a regular basis

not having kids so you can spend more time on your computer is pathetic

>>36818963
>biological truth
Our modern life isn't biological truth. Our nature is hunting and gathering, shitting and pissing where we sleep, and raping women. Yet, you don't hunt or forage your own food, you piss and shit in a manufactured porcelan throbe, and we actually practice birth control.

"Muh biological imperative" argument btfo.

>>36813464
You must be pretty new here, unless this is bait.

>>36819036
>implying kids this day and age actually care for their aging parents

>>36813481
When we die our life is reduced to a meaningless series of events anyway. May as well have some fun while we're here.

>>36818963
Your idea of gaining purpose, "happiness" and fulfilment only through this is not a biological truth. It is plain old subjective life-affirming guilt-tripping tripe.

>>36819097
I don't really care if it's pathetic, wagie. If people forget who I was it'll be just like when I was alive. Maybe it's a defence mechanism but I see no reason change it since I will waste so much energy trying to change my situation

>>36819100
Not really. The hunter-gatherer ways of our past is still built into our heads. Sure, we don't rape women, but most men are still extremely dominant in bed, and that's the only way women get turned on.

>shitting and pissing where we sleep is biological truth

The opposite is true, friendo, there's a reason why piss and shit smells bad. Not because there's an objective measurement to how "bad" something smells, but because our brains go "Fuck, piss and shit are around, get the fuck away"

I'm Catholic, I do not practice birth control.

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>>36819139
>breeders still use the "they'll take of me when I'm older" argument
>overwhelming same amount of breeders put their parenrs in the nursing home

>>36818992
Who are the brainwashed ones here?

>>36819181
>I'm Catholic, I do not practice birth control.
Religion is not biological truth--it's a human construct to explain phenomena we could never explain.

>>36819183
Yeah, it's really sickening. If I am alive when my mom/dad gets old, theyre not going to a home. As much as I dislike being born, I still appreciate everything they've done after forcing me to exist. I'll take them on until they die or tell me to fuck off.

Though if doubt I'll outlive them desu senpai

>>36819097
it is possible - easy in fact - to fill your life with the care of other people without them having to be your own children

>>36819036
>have kids who take care of you as you have for them
That's what breeders actually believe. The kids will throw you in a medicalized "luxury" retirement home, AT BEST.

>>36819030
>unironically wanting oldage in the first place
And we're the cuckolds?

>>36819139
>grandparents hard on parents, both moved out at 18, terse relationships
>my parents put their parents in homes
>parents coddled me, lived at home until 23
>allowed me to be a NEET living with them far past expectations since I couldn't succeed on my own (partly their fault, but not the point)
>invested money in my small business which provides the tiny but regular income I live on
>I took care of father while he was sick, will take care of mother when the day comes, if I can't provide adequate care will get nurse or similar to come in as much as I can afford to help out
>reciprocity
just because there's a game theory explanation for everything we're all doing doesn't mean it's not a good thing

>>36819074
That's explained extensively throughout this thread.

>>36819097
Having kids for stupid egotistical reasons is pathetic and immoral.

>>36819264
That's cool, and as I said elsewhere, you can care for your parents if you chose, but to have kids and expect it from them is nonsense. If you use that as a main reason for birthing children, I see you as lower than negroes.

>>36819377
>my children were born to be my slaves to help me wipe when I shit mysrlf in my old age
And they say CFers are selfish?

>>36813550
>american
You burgers are really bizarre. Here in Europe getting kicked out of the house at 18 is practically unheard of.

>>36813534
You misunderstand. This is 4chan's suicide watch board - there are no healthy people here to try to give advice to.

You're bringing a shitter into this world
He has:
>your shitty genes
>Some of your autism
>is born in a poor household compared to the richest people
>will probably experience world war 3
>has a loser dad
And you're expecting this child will not hate you for bringing him into existence?
I remember hating my existence when I was 9 and only the instincts of self preservation have kept me from suicide.
Bringing a child like that into this world is morally WRONG. Chances are that child will HATE you.
And if it's a girl, she'll ruin other men's lives by being a slut.