When did the world lose its fucking mind? Everything has become

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>>36771818
>what it should be
>should
According to whom?

>>36771818
Hide your powerlevel and just watch it happen. We've finally started to reach the end of this era of man, things always go assbackwards before the big breakdown happens.

OP not realizing the most important thing, that he is a slave; mentally and physically

>>36771852
>dude nihilism
Yeah I remember being 19 and having a big existential crisis and going through my "morality is meaningless and nothing is real" phase too

When you grow up, you'll realize what an empty, vacuous philosophy this is.

>>36771924
You can't reject nihilism by replacing it with willful ignorance.

>>36771818
>Donald Trump is president
>4chan is a neo-nazi shithole (ironically!)
>job security is a meme
>everyone calling everyone snowflakes and shills
>PUA jargon has become mainstream

>>36771964
Because...?

>>36771922
That's pretty much covered in my last point but sure, could add
>forced to work and support the system that hates you and shames you for who you are
>illegal to live on your own in the woods and support yourself because then you wouldn't be paying your taxes to the state
>the state says you literally owe them taxes for existing

>>36771996
Because you are just roleplaying. There is nothing of substace behind your posturing. It is just an assumed facade.

>>36771902
>things always go assbackwards before the big breakdown happens.
How do you know? Are there other examples of this throughout history

>>36771818
have you ever thought that you project your own inadequacies (nu male, low test, scared to speak out) on your limited perceptions of the world? (neet, socially awkward). This is why you have such a fucked up view of the world. you seek out the exact narrative that makes you think the world is falling apart instead of fixing your self.

Im glad to be alive in this day and age. I've always wanted to witness the end of the world, and things look hopeful.

I can't wait until everything collapses around us, and I get to be the one who says "TOLD YOU SO!"

>>36771964

People don't want to take true responsibility for their actions and ideas, when you're backed by god or a morality system it makes it a lot easier to rationalize things.

>>36771996
>Donald Trump is president
Wow, Israel puppet is president of USA. REALLY CHANGES EVERYTHING.

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>>36771996
I don't know if Trump had the intention of being a puppet, but he has most definitely become one.

>>36772034
Narrative is a buzzword used by cultural marxists to avoid refuting arguments rationally.

>>36772086
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>>36771902
>tfw revealed my power level and lost all my friends

>>36771818
Yep, growing up in the early 2000s was such a fun time, but now I'm all alone in this cold, alien world.

I'm just distracting myself until it all comes crumbling down desu.

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>>36771924
What the fuck does what I said have to do with nihilism? Do you think your fucking moral views are objective? I asked you according to whom should the world be like this.

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>>36771818
Liberals got carried away and lost track of what they're supposed to stand for.

I think it might be because liberals actually got what they wanted. People are treated fairly. But they couldn't accept that they won and weren't needed anymore so they decided to keep picking and pushing.
Now, if anyone feels even slightly oppressed or offended by anything, then liberals have to fight it as if they were fighting for the right of the lower-classes to vote. Because there's nothing left to fight for, anymore.

Or maybe they've just swung all the way past equality and straight up to the opposite extreme.

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>>36772138
It just feels like the takeover happened so fast. Im 2000s things were mostly normal, and look where we are now. How did society fall so far in such a small amount of time? How can the global conciousness be manipulated so quickly

I don't know how things will fall apart, but the people that post in this thread and speak of this breakdown as an imaginary construct are living in complete ignorance. It might not be World War 3 Nuclear Game of the Year Edition, but you just have to look at Ukraine, Turkey or North Korea to know there's a possibility of armed conflict, and if we manage to avoid that, we'll still be stuck with this brand of brutal neoliberalism that's tearing our society apart with ever greater inequalities. Americans seem to believe "leftists" are all communists, but if Western Europe still has remnants of a social contract that has already been crushed to bit with hostile take-overs and whatnot in the US, it's thanks to moderate socialism really.

>>36771818
Where did these opinions come from though? People that are older must just be trying to be cool? I mean no no one thought this shit 10 years ago.

>>36772269
Newsflash: Bunch of idiots making lot of noise in the internet isn't same as "global conciousness".

Just smile and nod and don't say anything

>>36772010
You just repeated what nihilism is. Willful ignorance is like getting lost in your role-playing, like how an actor would. And if you establish a comfortable life for yourself and make a positive impact on other people's lives, you could refuse to think beyond that without repercussion.

>>36772326
But it's not just some fringe weirdos on the Internet. It has infected the normal every day world. It's all over the media.

If you say something against this on social media you will be swarmed with accusations of hate speech, anti-semitism, mysoginy, Islamophobia, transphobia, etc.

>>36772255
The concept of equality was only truly accessible to the intellectuals of the enlightenment movement. To the masses it simply meant a fulfillment of the urge to tear down those better off than oneself. After tearing down the Aristocracy, those who had spearheaded the movement were the next to get torn down. Liberalism evolved into Socialism, which evolved into the monstrosity we have to day, where simply being able-bodied is enough to incur envy and hatred.

>>36772343
>you could refuse to think
So you are just in denial about your nihilism.

>>36771818
Welcome to real life Brave New World

You can thank the liberals :^)

>>36772255
No, people are still homeless. It's still illegal to live in your car, in storage units, and on the street. You may say they should just live in apartments or houses, but I say it's ridiculous to force people to pay for housing that they can't afford. Back in the old days, you could just set up a tent in the middle of nowhere for free.

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>>36772405
You can reject nihilism by replacing it with willful ignorance, yes.

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>>36772027
>Greece
>Rome
>Persia
>Germany
>Spain
>Assyria
>Babylon
>Egypt

>>36772451
No, because you are still a nihilist, you just don't want to acknowledge it.

It's the land of the free, bitch.

>>36772289
2nd wave feminists changed the narrative from fighting communisim to fighting men

3rd wave added identity politics making whites evil but thanks to patriarchy only white men

it's easier and more comfortable to blame your personal failings on something or someone else than that charge of fate.

it makes it easy to gang against others when you have the Im good so everyone not thinking my way is bad way of thinking.

also treating men as non humans workbots to keep society going

>>36772391
But tearing down the aristocracy and socialism were actually good things, desu.

>>36772412
Except we'll be bred to all be ugly and deformed.

>>36771818
It was exactly like that in 2000s.
It all started in late 90s. Maybe it's slightly more wide spread but it all is still not normal.
Not like it's a bad thing.

>>36772467
Nihilism is just the realization that objective meaning is an oxymoron. It's the foundation for reality and all further philosophical thought. There's no need to just stop there and give up just because the world around you doesn't hold some kind of special care for you.

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>>36772451
It's not willful ignorance you stupid pothead. Let me explain this to you.

Yes it's true that existence is inherently meaningless and nothing matters. But that doesn't mean you have to just give up and stop there. We can build our own moral framework for how society should be run to make our lives and our culture better.

The problem with nihilists is they just say "hey existence is meaningless so let's just descend into filthy degeneracy lol who cares bro" This is college kid stoner tier philosophy.

>>36772467
If I don't think about what blood type I am, that doesn't mean I'm automatically type O.

>>36772508
Were they? It's been proven that without a strong ruling class, it takes forever to make decisions. Our democratic aristocracy are so afraid of losing their position that they're not willing to make concrete decisions about anything and always try to play it as safely as they can.

>>36772508
There was nothing to replace the Aristocracy with. No new humanist elite to take over. So we are left with nothing, instead of something.

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>>36772176
thanks anon. that fucking picture just made my day

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>>36772536
>hey existence is meaningless so let's just descend into filthy degeneracy lol who cares bro
Yeah, and? Why not?

>>36772540
Bloodtype is totally unrelated to what you think. That is a very poor analogy.

>>36772536
I don't know much about philosophy. I talk about willful ignorance because it's what I know. A dog, given food, water, shelter, toys, and companions to play with will be a very happy dog. Dogs don't think about philosophy.

>>36771818
>Ctrl+F Jews
>0 results
come on

>>36772483
maybe for the """minorities""". the what was previously minorities had a media spot light causing white people to become minority and cant speak their mind due to PC..

>>36772549
>>36772550
Democracy may be bullshit when it comes to efficiency, but I choose it than totalitarism disguised as traditionalism.

>>36772571
There are many schools of philosophy, not just nihilism. I may belong to another school, I don't know.

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>>36772571
I know it's difficult to think when you're a braindead stoner, but try to think about it like this:

Society is a car, and when we believed in God, we thought he was driving the car for us. Now we realize that there is no god. So what do we do now? Do we just say "lol fuck it bro dude nihilism" and let the driverless car crash and kill us all? Or do we take control of our future and get in the driver's seat?

>>36772531
>Nihilism is just the realization that objective meaning is an oxymoron.
No, that is a matter of epistemology. Nihilism is a rejection of meaning alltogether.

>>36772656
What was wrong with having totalitarianism and then overthrowing it in a jolly revolution, every century or two when it gets corrupt?

>>36772688
For what end do you wish to 'take control'.

>>36772688
>Do we just say "lol fuck it bro dude nihilism"
Not him, but anyway the more intelligent of us wouldn't say that, but the idiots would.

The IQ in America is taking a nosedive.

>>36772656
The true value of democracy lies in the dispersal of power. Not everyone should honestly have the vote, but it should be spread out to enough representatives to prevent corruption and any corruption must be punished severely. Preferably by death, even exile from the nation.

>>36772691
But there's many forms of nihilism. Objective, or intrinsic meaning doesn't exist, is what I meant. All meaning is subjective, in that meaning is how an individual perceives things.

>>36772656
Why do you choose it?

>>36772701
Revolutions tend to be a bit... messy.

>>36772659
If you don't know, then you clearly do not.

>>36772753
I clearly do not belong to a school other than nihilism because I don't know what school of philosophy I belong to? That's a bold claim.

>>36772727
>Objective, or intrinsic meaning doesn't exist, is what I meant. All meaning is subjective, in that meaning is how an individual perceives things.
All this is a matter of epistemology. The definitions of such concepts as subjective, objective, intrisic, existence, ect.
People have used it to argue for nihilism, by questioning the certainty of any knowledge, but it is not the same as it.
Clearly when you can say that meaning is subjective, this means you are certain in the meaning of the concepts 'subjective' and 'meaning'.

>>36772728
Because enlightened despots are most of the time just despots.

>>36772797
If you follow a philosophy it is irrelevant if there is a name for it given to it by someone else. You would be able to explain it.

>>36772807
>Clearly when you can say that meaning is subjective, this means you are certain in the meaning of the concepts 'subjective' and 'meaning'.
No, it just means the meaning of those words is agreed upon publicly, to the point where they can be considered axiomatic and I use them as such because it's easier than using a few hours at the start of every discussion to agree on the basic principles.

>>36772844
>No, it just means the meaning of those words is agreed upon publicly
In order to agree upon anything, you must know what you are agreeing on. You must have certainty first.

>>36772727
You think the problem might be with defining corruption?

>>36772827
and a despot is bad, because he makes his subjects suffer? Why is the joy of the despot less important than the suffering of his subjects?

>>36772744
Could be worth it, though. Redistribute some shit, remove corrupt hierarchies, and try again.
Good way to reset.

But I suppose a lot would be lost. There would need to be some neutral organisation that keeps records of everything, through each revolution, so no history or knowledge is lost.

>>36772865
>You must have certainty first.
No you don't. What certainty is there of anything else than cogito ergo sum? We can very well just collectively decide to agree on something, without any real certainty on anything.

>>36772897
>What certainty is there of anything else than cogito ergo sum?
How could come to this conclusion without using concepts of which meaning you are certain of?

>>36772922
>How could come to this conclusion without using concepts of which meaning you are certain of?
What concepts are those?

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>>36772176
>he fell for the moral relativism meme
Repent, Anon.

>>36772837
>I would be able to explain a philosophy I follow
What is the reasoning behind this?

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>>36772979
I was born into it. Not going to change my view on the world into something that makes no sense.

>>36772951
Your conclusion was:
You can only be certain of 'I think, therefore I am'.
In it, there are several distinct concepts.
Certainty. I. Cause. Thought. Being.

>>36772991
That is the nature of a philosophy. It is conscious, not unconscious.

>when you realize that men and retards commit more crime so the ultimate goal of civilization is breeding us into a species of autistic IQ 140 trannies and dour college-admissions hausfraus

>heh the Western Civilization is crumbling because I can't get lai- I mean, uh because of degeneracy and loose morals, fucking whores. Really, it's better to watch it all crumble down. That is why I CHOOSE to be a neet (I could totally be a productive member of society if I wanted to). Naturally, a sophisticated mind like mine deserves only the best stimulation - that is why, instead of experiencing the world by myself, I gather information only on echo chambers that support my worldview exclusively, no matter how much delusion and deliberate ignorance it requires.

ITT

>>36773032
My bad for being unclear. I'm simply using cogito ergo sum as a term to summarise the idea of this qualia.

>>36771818
but, yeah, testosterone is fucking steadily decreasing, that's what fucking happens when you use the government to select against it for a hundred and fifty years

enjoy your law-abiding fuckboys, enjoy fucking yourself in the ass and not even understanding what you're doing

fags

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>>36772651
>feigning surprise that the jewish mind disease has prevailed
>2016+1 anno domini
>>36773009
you were born knowing the love of God and have been turned away from Grace by the wickedness of the world
let Jesus into your heart

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>>36771818
What you described is the icing on the cake of humanity's downfall. How about that fact that "developing countries" are a blight on our plane? They pollute far more than all of Europe combined. Then we have the fact that overpopulation is coming from those countries' overcrowded cities leading to increased conflicts of all kinds. Couple that with the proportional relationship of human population and desertification (independent of climate crap) and they become refugee factories. Let's not forget that everything you listed comes from the behavioral sink which is a combonation of overcrowding and social malaise.
You want to know something else that's great about clumped up populations? They spread disease like fire. Then with the advent of antibiotic resistant bacteria we have a plague time bomb that's about to blow.
> but we'll solve the problems of climate
>our doctors will think of something
>it's just the third world
Yeah that's all great and I assume more or leas true, but it's just as much an issue to us when we let more people into our cities, which are dense enough as it is.
There's no way around it, we will see millions of people die in our lifetime, possobly billions. It will be a slow societal death with the elites likely isolating thenselves in some way and lraving us to rot.

>>36773080
>when you've been talking about this for close to two years and none of the brainlets on this fucking board have even considered it

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>>36773139
I wonder who could possibly be behind all of this
real almond activator

>>36773092
Does the plant share in your qualia? If not, what prevents it?

>>36773155
it's not the fucking jews you moron
jews didn't create organized civilization
fuck you

>>36773161
>Does the plant share in your qualia?
I don't know.
>If not, what prevents it?
How should I know?

>>36773181
No, they didn't create it. But they control it now and they have subverted it.

But it won't last much longer.

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>>36773161
Which plant?
Some plants operate on levels other plants never dream of.
>>36773181
>implying the jews haven't perverted the course of civilization irreparably.

>>36773048
So how did you conclude a willfully ignorant person is automatically a nihilist? You said they were in denial of being a nihilist, but I see nothing that indicates that a willfully ignorant person was a nihilist to begin with.

>>36771818
Shit OP, I know it only too well, fucking degenerates. It is, however, heartwarming to meet a paragon of virtue like yourself. Tell us about you life, OP. I'm sure you're a well educated and respected man, who spends his days toiling for his white family. Except for the weekends of course - those are dedicated to research, sports and masculine hobbies. This is accurate, isn't it OP? Surely you are not some shitty useless neet or a minimum wage retard that blames his vast personal failures on modern society? Who am I kidding, of course you are not.

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>>36773241
Nihilists aren't likely to exist for long.
It's a very volatile mental state.
>inb4 that's just like your definition of nihilist, man.

>>36773259
Such a long post, and nothing in it even approaches anything that could even resemble an argument.

>>36773289
??? I'm not arguing, I'm agreeing! OP, as a man of virtue, cleverly detects the flaws and degeneracy of modern society, and instead dedicates his life to a never ending journey of self improvement. That's the case, no?

>>36771818
roughy 13,000 years ago.

>>36772136
Well you could have tried not being a fucking nazi for starters.

>>36773200
Naturally this means you know for the certain the meaning of knowing.
>>36773229
>Which plant?
Any plant, any creature.
>>36773241
>So how did you conclude a willfully ignorant person is automatically a nihilist?
Because the willfully ignorant refuses to think. Without thought you can only have nihilism, because without thought you are without meaning.

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>tfw Kojima is and always was right

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>>36773123
God is a spook.

Origingin

>>36773357
>without thought you are without meaning
Fist, I'm going to have to assume you mean "without philosophical thought you are without meaning." Second, this can only be concluded if you are a nihilist. We haven't concluded if the person is actually a nihilist.

>>36773357
>Naturally this means you know for the certain the meaning of knowing.
Well, not exactly. Just using words to simplify the discussion into something comprehensible, as I can't show you the raw qualia.

>>36773459
I hold that nihilism is the default. If you simply pretend to follow some philosophy which you claim has conquered nihilism, only to keep up an appearance, then what you really follow is nothing.

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>>36773433
God is the spook.
The good word is out there, brother.

>>36773507
Comphrensible = knowable. If you can comprehend it then you know for certain what it means.

>>36773589
I can't comprehend what "I" am experiencing. What this thing I am calling "qualia" is.

>>36771818
It's because liberalism became too mainstream. When anything becomes too mainstream and influential by almost everyone, it quickly turns to shit. It goes from an actual enlightened idea to a weapon for average minded people to project their insecurities in life. Average minded people do not wish to actually resolve real problems because they don't want to think too much about what it takes to do that. Instead, they just want to prove that they were right for voting for this political stance. It's all ego and proving who's right and who's wrong.

>>36773555
>You can't reject nihilism by replacing it with willful ignorance.
Was it really so hard to to shorten your claim to "You can't reject nihilism"?

>>36773683
You display in this post a comprehension of both 'I' and 'experience'.
If by 'what' you refer to a proposed cause, then this is in the realm of uncertain 'scientific knowledge''.

>>36773731
I think you can reject nihilism.

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>>36773748
I disagree.
Prove to me that fighting to the death isn't the only decisive way to resolve our disagreement.

>>36773781
Any disagreement is irrelevant, as agreeing in this case is simply an expression. It does not necessitate any kind of understanding.

>>36773748
I've think I've conceded that everyone does follow a philosophy, even if they may not know the name of what they're following. I do not think willful ignorance is the same as *pretending* to follow a non-nihilist philosophy. Finally, I am interested in how you think someone can reject nihilism?

>>36773865
By having an understanding of a basis on which nihilism can be rejected. If you lack such an undertanding, you cannot be said to be capapable of rejecting nihilism.

>>36773732
>You display in this post a comprehension of both 'I'
A hypothetical being.
>'experience'.
Just another word used to ease conversation. [qualia]
>If by 'what' you refer to a proposed cause, then this is in the realm of uncertain 'scientific knowledge''.
I refer to the thing I called "qualia".

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>>36773894
Nihilism is the first redpill. Then you realize nihilism is just a stepping stone on the path to true enlightenment and you reach existentialism. Then absurdism.

The final tier is stoicism.

>>36771818
>When did the world lose its fucking mind?
I was just wondering this myself. All the mental wards and institutions people use to live in got shut down. I think a lot of them ended up breeding. That and now that there are less wards for crazy people clearly all this political shit has a lot of crazies pushing the ideas.

>>36771818
WW2 and 9/11

>>36773921
Your qualia is not hypothetical. I cannot be a hypothetical being if I is the thing you call qualia.
Since qualia according to you is unknowable to anyone else, we are not actually communicating.
Any certainty you have regarding your experience is not a certainty to me. So you are unable to understand what I am saying, and I am, as far as you are concerned, not real.
That is for sure the case, right? Well it is pointless of me to ask you, whom is unable to comprehend anything beyond the certainty of his experience.

>>36773894
How is nihilism supposed to be the default?

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>>36773798
What you just said was neither an argument nor funny.

>>36774077
What do you get when you reject everything? Nothing.
What did you have to begin with? Nothing.

>>36773973
Oh ffs. Please tell me you didn't buy into stoicism because you wanted to be a manly man.

>>36774099
Well you are stupid for thinking that your expression of disagreement was relevant. You could train a parrot to say "I disagree" and the relevance would be much the same.
You can view my previous post as a polite way of saying this.

>>36774108
These statements also rely on a nihilist worldview.

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>>36771818
You only feel this way about society because you are projecting your self hatred
Because you can't transmutate your self hatred, your constant bullying and hatred of others (persons who are sexual liberated, aren't afflicted by toxic ideas of masculinity, or self satisfied) makes you unappealing and not fun to be with which only reinforces your self hatred.

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>>36774123
>implying
I AM A REAL AMERICAN
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN
I AM A-A-AMERICA
>I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.
Think on that.

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>>36774074
>I cannot be a hypothetical being if I is the thing you call qualia.
I don't call the qualia "I". I, am the hypothetical being that is possibly experiencing this qualia. IF there is anything actually experiencing it in the first place.
>Since qualia according to you is unknowable to anyone else, we are not actually communicating.
Maybe, maybe not. Don't know that.
>Any certainty you have regarding your experience is not a certainty to me. So you are unable to understand what I am saying, and I am, as far as you are concerned, not real.
Possibly, yes. I do not know if anything, except the qualia is real.
>That is for sure the case, right? Well it is pointless of me to ask you, whom is unable to comprehend anything beyond the certainty of his experience.
Everything is equal in pointlessness, my good friend. What is is, what happens, happens and what does not, doesn't.

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>>36774138
>is not relevant
>spending this much time dealing with an irrelevance
>thinks himself logical

>>36774158
>These statements also rely on a nihilist worldview.
No, they do not.

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>>36774180
We are not in a discussion. I am not trying to debate you. I only debate my equals, everyone else I teach.

>>36771818
>Things arent the way I want them to be
>Complains on r9k
fuck off OP. Im a tranny and its not considered normal to be one or to have SRS, its a rare and obscure thing. The difference is its just more of a stigma now to harrass and bully us than it used to be, sorry that hurts your feelings :'(

>>36772255
>People are treated fairly.
>People are treated fairly
>People are treated fairly.
No the world is still an unfair shithole where money rules.

>>36774176
>IF there is anything actually experiencing it in the first place.
I thought you were certain of cogito ergo sum.
>Maybe, maybe not. Don't know that.
Well you do know. You can't know if I am real, that is true, but you must know what I am saying, since you are able to respond to me.
>Possibly, yes. I do not know if anything, except the qualia is real.
Real is a matter of uncertain 'knowledge'. Science, physical existence.
This 'knowledge' is distinct from definite, philosophical knowledge, which is certain.
For instance, in order for you to say you do not know if anything other than qualia is real, you must know the definition of all the concepts involved.

>>36772035
This I dont want to die I want to live to tell you all I WAS RIGHT HA/

>>36771964
Nihilism is a circle that only leads back to suicide in it's reasoning.
Since suicide is fucking retarded, nihilism is a philosophy without value.

>>36772497
>Im good so everyone not thinking my way is bad way of thinking.
If every one is an asshole, you might be the asshole.
Its rings true alot.

>>36774382
That is circular reasoning.

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>>36774223
0/10 would not ratemyneetsensai

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>>36774323
>I thought you were certain of cogito ergo sum.
Only to the extent that this qualia is [qualiaing]. Whether or not I, myself, as a being, exist, I cannot know.
>but you must know what I am saying, since you are able to respond to me.
But am I actually responding to you? Is anything responding to anything? What if it's simply an illusion in the qualia that I am thinking and responding? The vision of the text on the screen and the feeling of my fingers tapping away at the keyboard, the thoughts in my mind going through this sentence as I type it and think of what to say next? Is it just a part of an elaborate "qualia", not much unlike a movie, simply far more complex, that is being fed to this experiencing being?
>Real is a matter of uncertain 'knowledge'. Science, physical existence.
>This 'knowledge' is distinct from definite, philosophical knowledge, which is certain.
>For instance, in order for you to say you do not know if anything other than qualia is real, you must know the definition of all the concepts involved.
I should have said
>except that the qualia is

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>>36774400
>if everyone thinks everyone is an asshole maybe everyone was right all along

>>36774160
Wow, I've never heard that before. I guess I'll just give up my comfy life in civilization and pull a Chris McCandless

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>>36774435
That's the spirit!
I believe in you anon, do your best!
Nothing worth having in life is easy, you know.

>>36773080
>men and retards commit more crime
Everything is illegal and women get off for harsher crime look at Casey Anthony.\
Also see single moms innna hoodz/

>>36774465
Chris died young in a bus in the middle of Alaska. No I'm not doing that, especially not because of a quote from a guy that wrote an essay bitching about the *day* he spent in jail.

Nihilism is the true redpill, then we can all be like the vast majority of American ghettos; shitholes full of terrible people and rampant crime.

>>36774426
>But am I actually responding to you?
This is in the realm of uncertainty.
>I should have said
>>except that the qualia is
Any comprehension requires qualia. If you for a second, imagine, the experience a cow might be having, you will quickly realize that it would be diffferent from your experience. The cow has no language, no concepts. Can the cow(as the hypothetical being I have described) even comprehend cogito ergo sum? Surely your comprehension would be greater than this hypothetical cow. Your ability to comprehend greater than its.

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>>36774509
Oh. Okay, anon.
Whatcha doing today?

>>36774558
>This is in the realm of uncertainty.
As is everything except [qualiaing]
>Surely your comprehension would be greater than this hypothetical cow. Your ability to comprehend greater than its.
Possibly, but what do you mean by this?

>>36774203
There are some other schools of philosophy that this may hold true for, but there are some schools where these statements are assumed to be false. Stuff about God, Nirvana, that I don't know too much about.

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>racism and sexism are bad
>this is a bad thing

Yes they are bad because it makes no logical sense to judge people because of something they had no control over.

Although it is a two-way street - the stigma against white men is, by definition, racist and sexist.

>>36774582
Shitposting on /r9k/
It feels good

>>36774614
Dogma is not philosophy.

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Holy fuck you are stupid.

No bamboozles.

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>>36774659
meant for this post:>>36774618 orginok

>>36774411
Yes, that is my point.
Thank you for pointing that out.

>>36774614
>As is everything except [qualiaing]
Are you certain of this? No? Then you are also not certain that I am not certain about other things too, being certain. Such as the meaning of certain.
>Possibly, but what do you mean by this?
What I said earlier. You have more axiomatic understanding than the cow does. Axiomatic in the sense that you can use it to reach certaincies, such as cogito ergo sum.

>>36774647
me too
sometimes I feel like there's probably more to life than I get out of it, but that it would require a bunch of effort that I'm not interested in expending
do you do fulfilling stuff sometimes or are you on the coping mechanism (pharmaceutical, drug, cult, etc.) life?

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>>36774681
What is the basis of dogma if not philosophy?

>>36774694
No. Your post is circular reasoning. You say "this is stupid, so therefore worthless", but you have already stupidity as being worthless. So it not an argument simply a claim used to justify itself.

>>36774765
Nonsense, delusion, association of words with a desired quality.

>>36772536
What bothers me is when you, who turn desperately inward to build something you can believe in and cling to. Turn around and judge others for going without, you're no better then anyone else. You just have a security blanket of beliefs and structure

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>>36774797
Who is the arbiter of sense and reality?

>>36774848
They do not require arbiters.

HAHAhaha I see the retards are finally waking up! HAhahaHaha

>>36774748
Programming. It's going to be a long time before I stop reinventing wheels and can actually give back, but I'll get there. I also want to volunteer at a pet shelter someday, self-teach tap-dancing, learn to swim fast, and lift enough so that I can get strong enough to do certain bodyweight exercises, but current circumstances are not permitting.

I do use food to cope. My logic is that if I remove big stressors from my life by retiring early, I won't have to cope.

>>36774864
Implying that it's you, as you can tell objective truth from fiction.
How did you acquire your knowledge of reality?

>>36771902
This, it's the start of the great collapse that every empire faces, this exact shit happened with rome and the Mayans. The complete reversal and perversion of any laws or facts. Get ready cause we're about to get our asses handed to us.

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>>36774741
>Are you certain of this?
I don't know anything except [qualia]. It [qualias].
>You have more axiomatic understanding than the cow does
But do I? Am I actually understanding anything? Is there understanding?
>Axiomatic in the sense that you can use it to reach certaincies, such as cogito ergo sum.
But on the contrary, I have not reached any certainties. On the contrary, I have reached innumerable uncertainties and am simply uncertain of everything except the [qualiaing], which just IS. It's not something I have reached.

>>36774942
It is just a matter of understanding what different concepts mean. Your rightous indignation is boring to me. Especially since you fail to even understand my position.

>>36774848
people who make meaning for themselves think they are.

If the meaninglessness of existence is a blinding light the anons who judge from their little safe spaces of self-imposed meaning are men trying to sell blindfolds. By insulting the people who choose to close their eyes or otherwise look away

>>36772048
Seriously, I blame women more for fucking shit up than I do trump

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>>36771818

DOOM AND GLOOM
DOOM AND GLOOM
DOOM AND GLOOM
DOOM AND GLOOM
DOOM AND GLOOM
DOOM AND GLOOOOOM

Congratulations. You sound like every person since the beginning of time.

>>36774961
>But do I? Am I actually understanding anything? Is there understanding?
I am sure of it.
>But on the contrary, I have not reached any certainties. On the contrary, I have reached innumerable uncertainties and am simply uncertain of everything except the [qualiaing], which just IS. It's not something I have reached.
Any uncertaincies you have reached relies on your certainty of their uncertainty. Otherwise it would be impossible for you to differentiate between a certainty and an uncertainty.

>>36771818
You're getting old dude. Your parents felt the same way about your shitty generation.

And don't give me "no this is different" bullshit. That's what every old person says.

>>36774928
You have fun ideas. I used to love programming, but I don't try to learn anything anymore.
I think the appeal of the innawoods psuedomonastic Bear Gryllsshit to me is that I feel incapable of figuring out what I would actually enjoy doing surrounding by all of the shit that hasn't done anything for me.
I think if I had some things I wanted to do like that, it would be easier to get through the days. Good luck with those, sounds like you'll get there.

>>36774159
Sounds like you're projecting if anything mate

>>36774248
That's exactly his point, society used to hang freaks like you, now you're quietly celebrated.

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>>36775035
>I am sure of it.

>Any uncertaincies you have reached relies on your certainty of their uncertainty. Otherwise it would be impossible for you to differentiate between a certainty and an uncertainty.
Ah, yeah, you're right. I know that I know nothing.

>>36775178
>quietly hated
>openly celebrated
is closer I think
not that tranny just bored

>>36774986
>What do you get when you reject everything? Nothing.
>What did you have to begin with? Nothing.
How do you know?

>>36775180
You clearly know something then. I think it is more correct to say, I know the uncertainty of some things.

>>36775300
That is a bit of an obtuse request. Anything there is, is a part of everything. The lack of anything is nothing. So without everything there is only nothing.

>>36775380
It's going to take a while for me to accept of something like that. Not even arguing a point anymore. A lot of religious beliefs contradict those statements, so I think I'm going to have to leave it here. It's good to know where I'm stuck though, so thanks.

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>>36775314
>I know the uncertainty of some things.
I think that's too limiting, to call it just some things, when in reality I only know with certainty the [qualia]. Anything that falls outside of that is uncertain, as the [qualia] is certain simply by it/me being there. If the qualia can doubt its own existence, then clearly, in some way or form it IS.
I would say that the qualia is certainty and certainty is the qualia. From this I derive uncertainty, anything that is NOT it. Things, that have not been proven with certainty to be.

>>36775633
If we say that qualia is "an experience that is", then from this can be derived "someone is", through "experience requires an experiencer". Already we have certainty of something other than qualia itself.

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>>36775979
>If we say that qualia is "an experience that is"
That's why I preferred to type it as [qualiaing] The qualia, [qualia] without anything added to it.
>then from this can be derived "someone is", through "experience requires an experiencer".Already we have certainty of something other than qualia itself.
Unless the "qualia" is experiencing itself.
I do not find a division necessary. It is naturally possible that the qualia is being fed to an experiencing mind, or being, but I do not know that, it's uncertain to me.

>>36776118
>That's why I preferred to type it as [qualiaing]
Qualia is already a verb under the definition "an experience is".It describes an action.
>Unless the "qualia" is experiencing itself.
>I do not find a division necessary.
Divisions allow for greater complexity to be expressed and understood. In this case it is the division between experience(verb) and experiencer(noun).
To say "an experience experience", would result in having to add experience ad infinitum without ever reaching a meaning.

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>>36776252
>Qualia is already a verb under the definition "an experience is".It describes an action.
Qualia is
>the internal and subjective component of sense perceptions, arising from stimulation of the senses by phenomena.
>In philosophy and certain models of psychology, qualia are individual instances of subjective, conscious experience
Etc. It's the subjective experience of of something, a person has. Eg. seeing the colour red.
I know I'm not using the term really correctly, but I don't know a better term to describe it. It's just everything that is, from this point of view.
>Divisions allow for greater complexity to be expressed and understood.
Yes, but when it comes to certainty of this thing, those divisions are detached from the certainty/qualia and are thus no longer certain. Speculation, that while interesting is not quite what I'm going for here.
I cannot know if there is an experiencer outside of the experience itself, in whatever form it may truly be.
> In this case it is the division between experience(verb) and experiencer(noun). To say "an experience experience", would result in having to add experience ad infinitum without ever reaching a meaning.
Yes, [qualiaing]. No meaning is required, or certain, other than that the "qualia" "is".

hmm

/r/hailcorporate

once you start seeing this point of view its hard to look back

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>>36776519
>reddit
Yeah nah

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>>36776519
What compelling business interest is being shilled in this thread?
REI? Leatherman knives? Coffee table books on philosophy?
Am I the shill?
Are you saying advertising is responsible for societies sickness?
Form an argument and get back to me, if you feel like it.

>>36776565
>trumpette awoo poster
>reddit
Sasuga, faggot.

>>36776445
>Etc. It's the subjective experience of of something, a person has. Eg. seeing the colour red.
Yes, but an experience cannot have an experience.
>Yes, but when it comes to certainty of this thing, those divisions are detached from the certainty/qualia and are thus no longer certain.
Certainty is a concept which is distinct from qualia. This maybe sounds a bit clumsy, but it means that a concept has been limited to only 1 meaning. It is a synnonym of specific. If I say "a square has 4 sides", then there is only 1 way a square can be, in this regard, which is to have 4 sides. If I say "this bush I see is red"(objective), you could ask the question "is it red, because you see it is as red", and I would be forced to correct my statement to "I have the experience of seeing a red bush"(subjective)
Qualia reaches its certainty in that we only ever experience what we experience. If we experienced something else, then that would be what we experienced.

>>36776565
>Are you saying advertising is responsible for societies sickness?
not specifically, no. its just another contribution to the shit pile the internet is becoming.

>>36776586
>not appreciating irony
>>36776837
the internet is just us
GIGO

>>36776780
>Qualia reaches its certainty in that we only ever experience what we experience. If we experienced something else, then that would be what we experienced.
I think I should correct this to:
Qualia reaches its certainty in that we can only ever experience IF we experience. Thus, if we experience we are certain of our experiencing.

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>>36776780
>Yes, but an experience cannot have an experience.
Then experience is not an apt term to describe what I'm talking about.
>Certainty is a concept which is distinct from qualia.
Yes, but as I said earlier, the only thing that is certain to me is the "qualia" I talked about and I derived and defined certainty and uncertainty from it. Anything outside of the thing I incorrectly call "qualia" is uncertain.
I really should figure out a better term for this. Solipistic articles use the mind, but the mind itself may very well be an illusion. Metaphysical solipsism it is, in any case.

But now I need to sleep and will stop replying and ranting. Thanks for the chat. I think I should start reading philosophy, so I atleast have an understanding of usable, convenient terms.

>when did the world lose its fucking mind
It's always been like this

>>36777232
Sleep well budyroo.

>>36772510
But we'll get to have sex, r-right?