Unironically and non-memeing, at what age does it become irredeemingly

these days i'd say 16

idk though because i lost it at 12

>>36689246
>non-memeing

Come on man, I'm being serious. If you're gonna act like a retard even don't bother answering.

To me if you dont lose it by 22 then you're in the red zone. 21 should be your absolute limit before needing to get a hooker or some shit. if you hit 25 then I just assume you'll never get laid. If you hit 30 then kiss that shit goodbye cause you will never see a vagina. Thank god for losing it to my stupid ex at 19.

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25+


I say this as someone whose turning 30 soon - I never really felt horrible about it until I hit 25.

At 24 I still felt young enough to be a late bloomer, but something at 25 hit me like a ton of bricks.

>literally 1/3rd into my life
>at my peak years for having sex - and it's only down-hill from now.
>still a virgin

>>36689229
Realistically, 18 but the cutoff will be 22.

After that you will be looked down upon.

Lost my virginity at 19. I'd say 25 is the point of no return.

>>36689263
this is correct, also statistically after 25 if you're still a virgin you're more likely to never have sex at all than have sex even once your whole life.

>>36689229
why do people care about this? who cares if you cares if you havent lost it before, it shouldn't stop you from loosing it now

>>36689259
i'm being serious too, jerk

>>36689246
you lost it at 12?

were you raped or something?

>>36689262
Haha. I lost mine at 30 and in the past year since I've fucked ~20 girls.
You guys tend to think extremely rigidly. That's not a helpful worldview, and it's not even accurate either.

>>36689367
How'd you go from 0 at 30, to 20 in 1 year.

Did you gain the confidence to hire one prostitute, which lead to another 20?

>>36689382
Met a girl online (not dating site, just socially). One day I was horny and told her so, she literally said I could come over and fuck her. My mind was blown how easy it is.
After that I started talking to girls more. It's so much easier than you think. Girls don't have as high standards as r9k will have you believe. Just try to be normal for like 30min, that's all you need. Make sure you shower, wear decent clothes, don't have a stinky breath, and you're already halfway there.

Probably like 35? I just wouldn't care if I knew someone was a virgin. I'd just assume they're socially retarded and/or have unrealistic standards for themselves. I've definitely seen girls that were genuinely in love with ugly dudes. There's hope out there if you're ugly, but you do have to have some kind of personality. Like be interested in something, have some kind of passion for something. If you have something you enjoy for this short blip of time we're alive, women like that. They're living clocks, they're reminded every month that time is ticking away. Do something you love and a girl will come along.

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>girl at work asks why i look upset
>say i'm fine, nothing's wrong
>pushes me on it, says she can definitely tell
>i say it's pretty personal, don't worry about it
>she says she'll see me when she clocks out to ask again
>closing comes, she's off first so she's just watching me close
>keeps pushing me on it
>ask her if she really wants to know, she says yeah, and i tell her that it's kind of out of the blue, but that it's really bumming me out being a virgin at 18, and it feels like i'm the only one in the world and that it'll never happen, like i'm behind the game and it's a constant source of low self-esteem for me
>she tells me there is no "game" and that it shouldn't bother me
>tells me she's 19 and still a virgin and that it'll happen when it happens
>walk her out
>she quits 3 weeks later

so should this make me feel better or worse

did i fuck something up there

do you guys think a lot of rapes are committed by frustrated virgins?

I am 27 and I want to lose it bad. I just wish my ex would have let me have sex. Now I am just a depressed lonely fat autistic virgin.

>>36689512
Perhaps, maybe it explains the rise of PUA and MGTOW.

>>36689480
And rejection doesn't eat away at you?

>>36689480
Girls have no problem losing interest in me. That makes it hard to get a date, let alone pussy. I am someone who does not want to pay some whore to lose my v card.

>>36689575
Lol no. Every guy gets rejected. Never take it personally, they don't know the real you after all. All it means is that you might need to change your presentation somehow. Or maybe she's in a bad mood. Or you're not her type. Or a million other reasons. There's just as many girls out there that WILL like you, and they will make it easy for you. All you gotta do is be a man and take the first step.

>>36689619
If a girl's interested, you gotta keep the momentum. Make sure you express your attraction to her early on. Then you keep taking it forward, checking for signals that she wants it. Even if you go to hug her and she rebuffs, you can just gloss over it and try again later. Just don't make it awkward, and give it a few goes before you give up.

>>36689759
Bet you'd have been destroyed if that first girl had said no.

>>36689480
You're decently attractive if you can do this. Did you simply not try in your 20's or something?

>>36689783
He didn't even tell if he went to fuck her.

>aside from one awkward time with a hooker which I don't count because I didn't cum plus the condom was too thick
Your wiener was inside her, it counts

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>>36689246
>these days i'd say 16
>idk though because i lost it at 12

Filthy, get out.

>>36689759
I made a fake profile on Tinder with no profile info and a pic of a guy (almost chad) with decent jawline , hair and eyes.

I got 30 matches in one day, which is more than I got in almost 2 years with my real face (I am bald and about 4/10). So I don't have a chance to tell them anything, when I am not matched. Only one or two chicks have responded to me on Tinder. Randomly messaging them on FB will yield you negative results since you will come off as a goddamn creep. My only hope is to go out and try to interact IRL or settle with a 2/10 fatgirl notslim

I'm fucked. 25 year old virgin, going to be 26 very soon. The years are just fucking flying by at this point. Feels like May 1st, 2016 was just yesterday.

Sad thing is I'm not even ugly and I make $80k a year. How pathetic do you have to be to be a virgin who makes money and isn't ugly?

Lately I've been thinking I have schizoid personality disorder.

>>36689872
Considering I was 32 and making only $10k per year when I lost my virginity to a decent 7/10, I don't think anything really matters.

It's all randomness and luck.

>>36689263
>>36689274
>>36689288
>TFW KHV and turn 25 this month

>>36689783
That's why you don't just give up after one try. It's a numbers game, man.

Also, she wasn't the first. Actually I was pissed off about getting rejected by my oneitis at the time, which actually helped because I didn't give as much of a fuck anymore.
And I didn't ask, iot was her idea. So there was nothing to say no to, kek

"My feelings might get hurt if I try, maybe" is a shit excuse to not do something. What is your ego even trying to protect? If you were like me, you have nothing to lose.
You shouldn't have any feelings invested in a girl until she's invested first, anyway.

>>36689303
>why do people care about this? who cares if you cares if you havent lost it before
Good man, this makes sense
>it shouldn't stop you from loosing it now
Booooo

>>36689947
Memories of rejection play over and over and over and over and over and over in my head night after night, it's torture. Each time I try it's another added to that bank.

You're probably above-average looking.

>>36689229
I'm a 29 yo KV.

The age bracket of shame is 19-26. After you first year of college and before your late twenties people expect you to have had sex, but may still suspect you haven't.

Age 27 and above most normies will not even suspect you're a virgin because in their mind that is an impossibility. Should it ever come out, it is more likely to be treated as a the symptom of an underlying mental illnesses like autism, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia etc. Essentially it becomes a medicalised condition rather than as a flaw in character.

>>36689947
BUT SHE'S NEVER FUCKING INVESTED, I AM NOT VIEWED AS A SEXUAL ENTITY

>>36689799
Of course not, I was a robot. I was depressed and anxious and knew I couldn't talk to girls, so didn't.
The thing is, it doesn't even matter what you say to girls. If they like you, you can say the most retarded shit and they'll play along.

Also I am a skinnyfat, balding manlet. And I fuck 19 year olds.

>>36689861
You don't need tinder. Talk to girls in real life. I know it goes against everything society has taught you, but do it. Show interest, but don't be a douche. If you see a girl you like, actually try to get to know her. Ask for her number.

>>36690045
You must be pretty fucking good at talking to people, I can't make eye contact or maintain a conversation. How do you get them to like you if you're a stammering mess?

>>36690045
How can you (me a 4/10) just randomly approach girl and strike a convo and ask a number without coming off as a creep?

My other problem is that I can't stand mediocre conversations about Lil Wayne and shit like that which most normies do, so that is another problem for myself - I feel like I am getting dumber with every minute in that conversation and my dick won't stand up to a bimbo. Too aware I guess.

>>36689759
I have autism which makes it hard for me to read body language, but its hard for me to keep the momentum in the online chats and text. I have this fear that if I improve myself I won't be me. I am socially awkward which makes it hard.

>>36689229
lost mine at 23, she initiated everything

i'd say if you're over 25 and still haven't either picked up the courage, payed for, or somehow stumbled/been picked for it, then it's not happening.

>>36689979
>Memories of rejection play over and over and over and over and over and over in my head night after night, it's torture.

That's a separate issue you need to fix.
I would fix it by getting more experience, and building up a bank of good experiences.
I know it's hard. But to learn, you just gotta pay attention. Talk to girls, with the aim of connecting with them. Notice things that get good reactions, and things that get bad reactions. You'll figure it out eventually. Start on drunk girls if you want easy mode.

I'm 5'8", balding, with thin girly arms, a gut, underbite, massive nose, I could go on.

>>36690005
>BUT SHE'S NEVER FUCKING INVESTED, I AM NOT VIEWED AS A SEXUAL ENTITY

THAT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T EXPRESS YOURSELF AS A SEXUAL ENTITY

Don't focus on one girl. Every time you find yourself interested in a girl, try to figure out why. And tell her.

>>36690105
The bad experiences overtake the good ones at night. I can't control it. I'm still haunted by stupid shit from a decade ago.

>>36690124
I just want one fucking girl to like me back. They don't "express themselves as sexual entities", yet I like them. I get interested in any girl who gives me attention, which only happens with girls who live thousands of miles away.

>>36690062
I'm shit at conversation.
But you know what? Normies are shit at conversation too.
You have too high a standard for yourself. All you need is to find an emotional connection. Something you really care about. Something she really cares about. And no, I don't necessarily mean animes or comics or whatever, I mean as a person. You really have to learn what you WANT in a girl. Then try to get what you want.

31 year old virgin here.
At this point I've mostly given up on sex - not that I'm asexual, I still watch porn and fap occasionally - I've essentially relegated it to the same level as hoping to win the lottery - it certainly would be nice to win a million bucks, but it's not something I'm actively trying or betting on and neither do I constantly think or crave it - occasionally I think how nice it would be to have sex, but it's basically an utopian-type fantasy.
And I honestly don't feel miserable about it either.

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the actualy virginity is not the issue here. the issue is that you guys positively reek with the desperation to lose it. it's an absolute repellant to women
I stopped giving a shit at one point and started to focus on myself instead and ironically ended up losing my virginity at one point. not even a normie or a chad

pic definitely not related

>>36690176
But clearly you're just sticking your dick in whatever you can.

Normies are hundreds of times better at conversation than me. When I'm in the lunch room with a coworker I tense up and can't think of anything to say and can't look them in the eye and just go "heh, yeah" to whatever they say because it doesn't occur to me to ask anything back until it's too late. I'm 24 and have never had an IRL conversation with a girl under 40 beyond a greeting or asking them something for a group project/work issue.

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>>36689480
>30 minutes

it usually takes people half a sentence to realise somethings off

>>36690212
It's all I can really think about, be it at work or when I'm trying to distract myself with music or whatever. I'm fat but my only motivation to lose weight is to get a girlfriend, which won't happen because I'm afraid to talk to girls in case they'll think I'm hitting on them.

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>>36690257
You should lose weight for your own sake, just to be able to look yourself in the mirror without feeling like a piece of shit.
women are not worth the amount of energy you're spending on them, or letting them dictate your entire life by being so afraid of what they think of you. It may sound harsh but the reality is that they simply don't think about you at all. People are busy with their own life and don't pay that much attention to you as you think they do

>>36690045
>Talk to girls in real life.

What do you mean senpai? Like where at?

And thanks for replying. For a long time I've been too depressed to leave my room. Sometimes I power through it and go for 2 hour jogs, but they just make me feel more depressed. I'm almost 34 now.

Even women isn't the main problem I just wanna learn how to make guy friends too. Or how to have a converstation.

>>36689229
What I'm understanding is that this is literally the last year I can lose my virginity?

t.22yo khhv

>>36690359
One year I lost 60 pounds but couldn't keep it off, largely because there wasn't any "reward" like confidence or increased energy or attention from girls. Doing things for myself seems so pointless, all I really care about is validation. The "stop caring what others think" mentality doesn't make sense to me, because others' perception of you determines whether they like you enough to be your friend or become interested in you.

>>36690214
>>36690156
>>36690124
>>36690077
>>36690066
>>36690238
>>36690383

Guys, I know all these feels. I'm an awkward autistic fucko, and I still can't make decent conversation half the time. And it's okay, girls still like me.

There is not secret pickup line or anything. The magic pill is experience.
Start right at the bottom if you have to. Just focus on their reaction to you saying "Hi". Work on that until you get good reactions, then move on to the next bit. Don't be a wanker. Be interested in her as a person. Show that you find her physically attractive. Ask to see her again.

Keep doing that and you will learn. Looks, money, etc don't really matter. What really matters is how you make her feel in the moment. And that moment can just be 5 minutes. You can work on that.

>>36690502
If you were an awkward fuck the only emotion you would make girls feel is discomfort.

>>36690540
Girls are even more insecure than guys. All she's thinking about is how awkward she's being.
Things only get awkward if you dwell on them. If you make a small mistake, keep going, and she will too.

>>36690559
They only feel that way about guys they're attracted to, not the uggo who hasn't said more than hi to them after a year and a half.

>>36690584
You're thinking about someone specific, aren't you? Forget about them, there's infinite girls out there. Work on your first impression first. The rest will follow.
Girls don't care that much about looks. Only insomuch as it shows your personality. Be well groomed, get a good haircut, and you're good enough for alot of chicks. The rest is just working on that interaction.

I'm 33 and have never attempted or even considered having sex.

>>36690643
I'm talking about all my female coworkers. I'm even more uncomfortable around strangers.

>>36690663
>even considered having sex.
This.
I've never even tried to do anything sexual with girls, i find sex repulsing.

>>36689229
Anon, do yourself a favour and visit a prostitute. I'm not kidding. I did that at age 22 and that sorta "unlocked" me when it came to women.

Stop giving a shit. I would be still as well now at the age of 27 if it wasn't for meeting the best woman I could have. And it was just pure luck. I'm a completely socially inept autist that just met this woman by extreme randomness, so I*m 100% certain I would have been a virgin still too if it wasn't for this.

And all I can say is it doesn't matter bro. Meeting someone you can spend your time with is nice, but the virgin part in itself Jesus man don't sweat it.

Damn, soon you'll be able to use a VR headset and a fuck doll that in like 15 years from now will be just like reality anyway, so I guarantee you even if you're a mentally handicapped ugly person you'll still be able to fuck a 10 pointer before you die.

Chill and stop thinking about pointless shit like this.

>>36690745
>I would be still as well now at the age of 27 if it wasn't for meeting the best woman I could have.
>Chill and stop thinking about pointless shit like this.
Fuck off normo.

>>36690745
And how did you not completely repulse her with your spaghetti? I can't help but actively avoid girls I like.

>>36690745
>don't think about it bro lol
>you just have to be lucky

3/10
Here's your reply.

>>36690643
Infinite girls in a town of 8000 where there are rougly 300 single women between 18 and 30, who would date a fat balding Chris-chan lookalike who lives with his parents, makes less than $200 a week, has no IRL friends, and is very unassertive?

>>36689246
My best friend lost it at 13 and that could have been me, because we both liked the same girl but he chose him.
Sadly i didn't give up on chasing girls until my 20's.

>>36690760
Nothing normal about me that I can guarantee you. I'd make all you idiots look like normal people if anything.

>>36690761
What fucking spghetti are you speaking of.
And well if you really like you have to fight that avoidance simple as that. If not nothing is gonna happen. Easier of you find a girl that is both a bit nerdy but also someone who seeks you out and not the other way round.

No good tips on how to do that though, simply luck you have to have I guess

>>36690783

Yeah but it's the truth.
I didn't give a shit before either. Never got all these "oh no im a virgin" people.
When I was all my chad friends were all like "haha why don't you fuck girls man is something wrong with you", couldn't have given less of a shit honestly.
If you decide to give a shit jokes on you.

Honestly anyone that is bothered by it I would label a normie that's what's up

>>36690874
So you aren't even anxious around girls? If one acted as though she were interested in me I'd be shitting myself.

>>36690874
>basically be lucky
alright i'll wait.

>>36690906
As always, we get completely opposing suggestions. One says to flirt with everything that has a cunt, the other says to wait until something falls in our lap.

>>36690502
I am literally just chatting them up on Tinder with my fake profile and say nihilistic and crude remarks about them and they just keep making excuses to hold the convo as long as possible. I remember similar things with my real profile and immediately got shrugged off and unmatched. SO fuck no, looks do matter. Same has happened to me in bars and other places. They are not interested if you look ugly.

>>36690874
>Yeah but it's the truth

You can not think about being a virgin, but that doesn't make you attractive, or even guarantees a gf.

>I didn't give a shit before either. Never got all these "oh no im a virgin" people.

It's considered a social crime to be a virgin late in life. At least, normal people do.

>Honestly anyone that is bothered by it I would label a normie that's what's up

Being normal is good, you know. It also makes you more fuckable.

>>36690928
>One says to flirt with everything that has a cunt, the other says to wait until something falls in our lap.
If you have high sex drive then you ought to flirt with females but if you have low one then it's useless because you'll never seem natural at it as it's not second nature to you. Basically do other things and hope for that luck.

>>36690931
remember saying similar things with my real profile*

>>36690953
I fap three or four times a day but am petrified around girls.

>>36690895

Actually I always got a bit nervous around girls, not being able to talk etc. But it was partly because I felt like a socially inept retard that was gonna make a fool out of myself, but also because I wasn't that interested in getting any of these girls really. I was also too inept to understand if any girls were interested in me. Years later I understand they probably were.
If a girl was talking to me I used to not even look her in the eyes and give shirt "yes, no" answers. Basically being happy she stopped talking.

>>36690906

But to be lucky you also need to improve your probability to be lucky. Meaning the lucky event is unpredictable, but if you put yourself in situations were probability is higher, you're more likely to get lucky.

Of course if you're a hardcore introvert or just uncomfortable around girls exposing yourself to these situations will be hard and energy craving. But if you guys really WANT to get shit moving there's no other choice but training. It most likely won't be easy but sitting in the basement and not even trying anything leaves that probability for luck near 0.

>>36690991
>I fap three or four times a day but am petrified around girls.
Then you have high sex drive but psychological issues. For example i can barely fap once a week.

>>36691009
>if you guys really WANT
Things is that i dont really know whenever i want it or not.

I get intimidated by girls that are above my socio-economic status. If I see that the girl has money and frequents fancy places I won't even try. I keep seeing these girls on Tinder and from their pictures I can tell they got money and I swipe dislike just to get them out of the way. Doesn't matter if they're hot or ugly, if she's got money I won't approach them, people with money depress me because I know I'll never have their life.

>>36690991
Anon you should fap less in order to maintain a decent testosterone level. Try to get it down to like once every 3-4 days. You'll be on a decent edge and have decent amount of testosterone.

What helped me was also taking Zinc and Vitamin D3. And fish oil. This shit does wonders to removing anxiety.

>>36690936

Who cares about social crime man?
Why care about what some fuck thinks? Jesus.
You need to stop with this.

Believe me, if it's anything that will make you more fuckable it's to stop giving a shit.

If someone view you negatively because you didn't insert your penis into a vagina let me tell you, you should just think "fuck them".

And if you truly had that mindset I'm sure it would be beneficial to you.
If I had been as anxious about it as you, things for sure would have been worse for me as well.

>>36691009
So, the luck part is bullshit?

Just say so in your first post.

>>36689498
She didn't want you to walk her home gently that's for sure

>>36691009
>Years later I understand they probably were.

Meanwhile I LOOK for signs of interest but never find any.

If you didn't give a shit, why did you try to improve your odds?

>>36691055
>Chad and people in relationships have sex every day, sometimes multiple times a day
>muh testosterone levels

Tell me how it's any different.

>>36691039
Oh, forgot a really good tip. STOP watching porn, this is super important for any virgin and it's actually my best tip.
That means stop fapping to ANY kind of visual material, not just porn.
Do a complete nofap too if you can manage. But stop watching porn for at leats a year.

Then you will feel more motivated to do something, and maybe more confident too. Porn really makes you more anxious. Real talk.

>>36690733
>Went to a prostitute
>Couldn't get hard

The only thing it unlocked in me is the realization that I should just give up on women.

>>36691055
One time I went nearly a month without fapping and the only difference is that I was hornier. No less scared to talk to girls.

>>36691067
No it's not, where did you get that from?
However, luck is arbitrary and can be adjusted.
Almost everyone has a false perception of how luck works.

>>36691071

I didn't. Improving odds is just my tip. I never have done it myself. Only in other scenarios with other things. Improving odds can be applied to everything in life.

>>36690931
Online is shit, there's no chemistry. You gotta meet girls in real life

>>36690801
Why limit your life to your town?
None of those things matter if you play the masculine role and fucking talk to girls. They don't need to know half the stuff, and it shouldn't impact your emotions anyway. Just practice getting to know chicks, that's all that matters.

>>36690678
Girls need social proof. Try to make friends with other guys, and the girls in their social circle will give you a chance.

>>36691094
>Then you will feel more motivated to do something, and maybe more confident too
Dunno, i dont watch for a 3 - 4 months. I'm still not interested in chasing girls for a sex nor boys. Even when i was going through puberty i wanted to do as little as possible with girls. I had some girls crushing on me but never did anything with that. Then i came to conclusion that i indeed have a low sex drive.

>>36691009
>I was also too inept to understand if any girls were interested in me.

How did you learn to figure out when they're interested vs. them just being nice?

>>36691133
> Online is shit, there's no chemistry. You gotta meet girls in real life

Doesn't work. Either I give off bad vibe or I get pissed off at that bullshit I am hearing. I can't turn off the brain and go with the flow. I get irritated really quickly

>>36691060
The thing is, people will never admit that they judge you for your social status because they don't want to appear shallow.

Stop giving a shit only works when you have looks. It won't work on me, or people the same as me.

>If someone view you negatively because you didn't insert your penis into a vagina let me tell you, you should just think "fuck them".

They have a good reason to think that, though. Virgins are scum, most of the time.


>>36691120
By definition, luck applies to any circumstance. If you want me to "improve my chances", then it is not a matter of luck at all.

>>36691133
>Online is shit, there's no chemistry. You gotta meet girls in real life

How am I going to find a femanon-type loser girl IRL?

>Why limit your life to your town?

The nearest larger town is 45 minutes away.

>Girls need social proof.

What happened to hurr just make them feel good?

>>36691087
I don't know, anon, but it is different. Not kidding.

>>36691108
Yeah well when I went to the prostitute I couldn't cum nor feel anything. But all the rest has unlocked me.

>>36691114
Month is too long. But it is easier to talk to girls and generally go for physical contact. You won't notice it immediately because you fist have to begin the conversation but when you actually get talking, the difference will be immediately visible.

>>36691133
All my friends are online, all the girls I've liked are online. There's so much less pressure when you're typing. There's no glaring spotlight, no two-second timer to think of something to say before it gets awkward.

>>36691243
My interactions with customers and coworkers didn't change.

>>36691269
Well maybe you should also take the supplements I mentioned.

>>36691140

Ok brother, yeah you sound fairly similar to me. Pretty much just like I was reasoning. If you don't have a big issue with it you probably should stop worrying indeed. If anything happens it does, if it doesn't it doesn't.
After all sex is just for reproduction really and nothing you have to do. There's way more to life.

Do mushrooms or something. There's an experience most others are virgins in, but you actually learn more from than sex.

>>36691158

Because this one girl had to be overly insisting with me and point out very clearly that she liked me. She basically had to point it out for months for me to get it. We ended up getting together and after some years together I learnt to see how women think and act better.

So well, I learned through experience, which makes it harder for me to give advice. You need to kind of pick up the vibe. But you can also try to just assume she's interested and act as if she is. Worst thing is you make a fool of yourself which is terrifying, sure, but on your deathbed scared of talking will seem silly.

>>36691290
>After all sex is just for reproduction really and nothing you have to do. There's way more to life.
Probably but this male virgin shaming when they are treated like subhumans and failures of a man, really gets into your head.

>>36691167
Those are things you can work on, and get realtime feedback in the process. You will never get feedback from tinder girls who just ignore you, but irl you can't simply be ignored.

>>36691211
Social things and emotions and being feminine makes girls feel good. Girls 101.

You can move. Or even just travel if you want to take a small step first.

You don't need a femanon type. You don't even know what you need because you don't talk to girls enough.


These are all excuses, guys.
STOP THINKING AND DO SOMETHING

>>36689367
thank you for giving me hope
29 year old virgin and depressed as can be

werent you anxious? did she know you were a virgin?i get so anxious even at the topic of gf's let alone sex

>>36691193
>Stop giving a shit only works when you have looks

Yeah actually my advice might also be bad for this reason. I am very good looking, to be honest. So my "don't give a shit and luck will probably solve it" might not be as effecient for others. Didn't think about this detail. I'm a bit autistic so I dont always think of these things but yeah obviously appearance plays in.


Why do you say virgins are scum, though?
Seems like you're just heting on yourself here.

But yes, you can improve your luck. Because what we think is luck is only probability. You can increase probability for the x event.
If you play the lottery and win you'll be lucky regardless, but obviously your probability of winning was increased if you had 100 tickets instead of one.

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>be 20
>be really upset that girls don't like me and im still a KHV
>cry a lot
>want to die

>now 26
>libido is gone
>realize I'm too far gone, anyway. No chance of me ever having sex
>find something very comforting in that. i can accept that I will never have sex
>just wanna get drunk and play vidja now

It gets better, guys

>>36691334
Girls ignoring you online is the best feedback there is. Pressing on them IRL just makes you look desperate and gives you mixed signals when they try to politely tell you to back off. SO there has to be something else. You have to own the spot and people have to notice you and respect you. WIthout looks there is no other chance to grab a decent qt

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Damn, for once, I am grateful I'm an Asian omega male in a culture that's increasingly more accepting of old virgin losers. Not that I'll worry about being one if the crippling loneliness catches up from being a friendless, anxious mess and no amount of escapism will ever help me cope until I ultimately off myself.

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>>36691374
>be 19
>be khv and very insecure around girls

>now 24
>still khv but treat women like trash
atleast i'm having fun as an eternal virgin.

>>36691374
How does it get better?
For sex dolls and fleshlight producers it certainly does.

>>36691334
I have nothing in common with normal girls. They don't like my humour. They have no patience for awkward betas. Most of them have taken a gross number of dicks.

>>36691362
>I am very good looking, to be honest.

HO-LEE SHIT

>>36691374
>tfw 24 and I masturbate more than when I was a teenager

>>36691362
>I am very good looking, to be honest

Quite convenient you left out that part.

>Why do you say virgins are scum, though?

When you fail to do what 98% of the world does on a daily basis, there is seriously something wrong with you and people are right to think you are scum.

>If you play the lottery and win you'll be lucky regardless, but obviously your probability of winning was increased if you had 100 tickets instead of one.

You can also buy a billion tickets and never win. What then? Are you gong to say "well, at least I tried" ?

>>36689229
lost mine at age 20. 26 now. Didn't have sex for 4 years. Couldn't care less. Its all a fucking Meme.

>>36691357
Anon, he's lying.

>>36691362
>I am very good looking

Conversation over. Shame you almost have me hope.

>>36691357
>werent you anxious? did she know you were a virgin?
Sure, but you get over it. She won't know. She'll just think you're nervous, or drank too much, or it's been a while.

>i get so anxious even at the topic of gf's let alone sex
That's why you need to desensitize yourself to it. Keep talking to girls. You'll get there.

>>36691404
Nah. In real life, you can see their expression, body language, tone of voice, if they're in a hurry, etc. And you can calibrate your own voice, what you say, body language, etc. Online is just binary, you can't really break it down and work on it in parts

>>36691477
>When you fail to do what 98% of the world does on a daily basis, there is seriously something wrong with you and people are right to think you are scum.

No. You just sound bitter man.
If anyone is scum it's the degenerates that go around and fuck lots of people and think real life is a porn movie, fucking disgusting.
That's who I view as scum not a virgin. And guess what those kinds of people are the reason the world is fucked and the west is falling.

Go to the amazon and do ayahuasca in a trusted shamanic center is my #1 tip for those of you who feel desperate and has tried everything else.
Maybe it'll give you a new perspective on things in general.

>You can also buy a billion tickets and never win. What then? Are you gong to say "well, at least I tried" ?

Yes, either you "buy the billion tickets" equivalent. Or you can stop trying at all and focus on other things, it's really you two options. Anything in between is really just wasting time.

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I'm 24 khv and if it happens it happens, if it doesnt , it doesnt. There's not much besides pure luck.

>>36691534
Well the girl was also extremely good looking so maybe you just have to settle for someone on your level.

And maybe you're better looking than you think. I used to think I was ugly because I had no perception of these things plus I was bullied as a kid so my self image was fucked. However now I realize that's not the case at all I was completely deluded.

And I'm sure many of you are to some extent as well

>>36691447
>How does it get better?
Because your libido drops over time. You also stop caring.

You're also not bound by pussy. I see fellas go from one manipulative cunt to another, because they're a cuck to the poon.

I just wanna drink video games, play alcohol, and die. There's something liberating in that.

>>36691579
I look like Christian Weston Chandler.

Amazing how easy life is when you're attractive.

>>36691362

>I am very good looking, to be honest.

There's the catch. That is literally the only reason you succeeded. Fuck you, normalfag.

>>36691550
>In real life, you can see their expression, body language, tone of voice, if they're in a hurry, etc.

I'm too anxious and self-conscious to notice any of that. I can't come up with the right words, let alone how to put them. And it hasn't gotten better over the years.

>>36691556
>If anyone is scum it's the degenerates that go around and fuck lots of people and think real life is a porn movie, fucking disgusting.

Why wouldn't you do this if you had the chance? They have fun and nobody gets hurt.

>And guess what those kinds of people are the reason the world is fucked and the west is falling.

And the bad thing is...?

>Go to the amazon and do ayahuasca in a trusted shamanic center is my #1 tip for those of you who feel desperate and has tried everything else.

Sorry, I don't believe in that stuff.

>Yes, either you "buy the billion tickets" equivalent. Or you can stop trying at all and focus on other things, it's really you two options. Anything in between is really just wasting time.

We are all wasting time, anon. Some just waste it in more sexually fulfilling ways, just as it should be.

>>36691579
>so maybe you just have to settle for someone on your level

Ugly girls don't approach ugly guys.

>>36691597
Imagine if CWC bulked up, shaved his head, got some real passions, and maybe even a respectable job. You telling me he still couldn't look even just average?

You are self aware. You know your weaknesses. You also know all of those things are within your power. Give it a go.

>>36691597
>Christian Weston Chandler
Searched him and come on, he's not that ugly. Looks nerdy as hell but he could improve his appearance drastically just by changing clothes and stop looking depressed.

And life is not easy just because you're attractive, trust me. Tired of this misconception. Was severely bullied as a kid (perhaps for being good loooking in the first place) which basically lead me into a life long depression, suicidal many times. And I believe being good looking is why retarded psychologists didn't even take me seriously. "Hehe hes good looking so my primal brain thinks he can't feel bad!"
Had I been ugly they would have been more helpful.
As I said women are not all in life.
Once again I recommend hallucinogens (but studying them first and taking them for self exploration and development, not for recreation)

>>36689288
Turned 2 weeks ago
Can't say I didn't see it coming

>>36691658
>Searched him

Wow

>>36691627
>I'm too anxious and self-conscious to notice any of that. I can't come up with the right words, let alone how to put them. And it hasn't gotten better over the years.
This is good. You know what to work on.

Focus on anxiety first. Try therapy, try medications, try what you can. It's treatable.

You might also be overestimating your anxiety, which is kind of a side effect of anxiety. But that's another discussion for another time.

>>36691658

>And life is not easy just because you're attractive

Do you seriously believe this you fucking retard?
I wish I could strangle you through the screen.

>>36691605
No, you suck my dick, uglyfag. Tired of you faggots coming with your "normal" shit because you feel someone has an advantage on you in something. Stop it, pussies. Had you lived my life you'd likely been dead at this point, either from suicide, drug overdose or gang violence.
You deluded morons.
At least you faggots have your shitty community here where you can cry together. Trust me, there's not a place in the world where I fit in. "normiieee" suck a dick. Should start bullying you for being a virgin hence your disrespect but you do a good job yourself.

@36691658
>Was severely bullied as a kid (perhaps for being good loooking in the first place)
Thread over guys. He got us good.

Theme for the only true answer
https://youtu.be/4obWMN3zuKQ

>>36689354
thats a good age to start fucking
dont play dumb

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>>36691658
Modern Chris, not 2009 Chris. Picture this if it had short hair and men's clothing.

>>36691684
>Try therapy, try medications, try what you can.

Tried both. It's actually gotten worse since I started working customer service, last year I began tripping over my words which I've never done before.

>>36691709
Maybe 1 in 100 people lose it that young.

>>36691635
>Ugly girls don't approach ugly guys.
This.
They think they are entitled to handsome ones.

>>36689229

>implying people actually care whether or not you've had sex and don't just fuck with you for the fun of it because any one can have sex if they have money

>implying the shaming isn't just social engineering put in place to ensure almost every one has children to continue the mediocre human race

>implying implications of implied consent

>>36691687

I'd love to see you try, but in real life, internet warrior.

>>36691694

Yeah, here you faggots go again with "hey guys" shouting out to your community. Who's the "normies" here really?
All I see on here is faggots reaching out to each other, pretending they are different from the masses, but act JUST LIKE THEM but online.

You could either listen to some advice or keep feeling bad for yourswelf and tell you you're doomed. Fuck man.

"Haha guuys look at thiiis. Someone make a meme out of him pleeease".
You're just like other people. You're all like monkeys.

>>36689861
Yep, that's life in 2017.

Non male model men invoke zero attraction in women. Just the way it is. It's pretty funny how the vast majority of men are attracted to the vast majority of women, but the vast majority of women have zero attraction to the vast majority of men.

We are literally insects compared to Chad.

>>36691362
>I am very good looking, to be honest
>literally "bee urself" tier-advice
fuck off.

>>36691729
>Maybe 1 in 100 people lose it that young.
more like 50 in 100

>>36691729
>Modern Chris, not 2009 Chris. Picture this if it had short hair and men's clothing.

Ok if you look like this I advice developing your soul through hallucinogens and meditation. Maybe in the psychedelic community you find a hippie girl as well

>>36691740
You've gotten laid, you're the normie.

We aren't good-looking so your "advice" is meaningless.

>>36691763
Thing is I used to think I was ugly so I know the mindset of an ugly person and you need stop being a pussy

>>36691770
...have you seen statistics about average age of virginity loss?

>>36691740
>I'd love to see you try, but in real life, internet warrior.

I'm confident that in real life I could mangle you, but that doesn't change the fact you are full of shit.

>>36689512
no because we're pussies
>>36689514, see

>>36691772
Hopefully my parents won't mind me taking illegal drugs in our home.

One time I smoked weed and had an hours-long paranoid anxiety attack.

>>36691762
Too bad the only "normalfag" who lectures us here doesn't understand that. You see, he tells us, he is getting success with confidence and I am telling him that I have done this and I am not liked by females IRL (not only Tinder) and that looks matter. Then he adds that he is "good looking" actually. Literally everything he says flies out the window.

>>36691793
>I'm attractive but I used to think I was ugly so I know what I'm talking about

Kill yourself

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>>36691793
>I used to think I was ugly so I know the mindset of an ugly person

>>36689229
>I think 21/22 is the point of no return.

I lost my virginity at 22. I had been deeply ashamed about being a virgin since the day I turned 18 at the latest.

>>36691818
>thinking he's not just a troll

>>36691793
>Thing is I used to think I was ugly
We need proof a picture or your advice is invalid because you never were a robot.

>>36691781
Yeah, because how "normie" you are only depend on if you have gotten laid.
If you imbeciles realized how retarded you sound.
You faggots need to contemplate the secrets of the universe a bit to realize how pointless the act of sex even is.

You're literally in an infinite universe and you're like a cell in this universe thinking "oh no, while in this reality I don't get to rub myself against another cell", and you don't realize how normie you are.
You're a slave to your instincts and you just put language over it to rationalize your inability to "spread genes". But in reality none of it matters you pinheads.

You live in the most extreme point in the history of the universe and you are obsessed with something as archaic as procreation. Yeah, you're not normie at all. Sound like any person that goes to parties and they just think about sex.

>>36691692
you can't deny there is advantages though. i dont get why you're upset
>there's not a place in the world where I fit in.
except fitting your dick in chicks. you're complaining about people whining, yet that's exactly what you're doing.

not that gut btw

>>36691729
That's kinda funny, therapy made it worse for me too. They make you focus on it so much.

Truth is, i still have anxiety. And it still fucks me up. But there's no reason you can't have a girlfriend.

Some things in life, you have to work out on your own. For me, I figured out that most of my anxiety comes from being insecure about my social skills and my looks. So I solved those instead, and that helped the anxiety.

Maybe try to simplify as much as you can. You seem to be fine at typing to people, so try real time text chat. Don't push yourself too much. DO that until you're completely comfortable, then maybe move to videochat like omegle.
Anonymous places so you don't have to worry about what people think. If someone doesn't like you, they're gone. If someone does like you, they stay. There's nothing to lose and everything to gain. You just need to get comfortable with the process, don't have any goals like "I must make friends" or "every interaction must have no awkwardness". Just trust that the more you do it, the more comfortable you will become.

>>36691853
>Yeah, because how "normie" you are only depend on if you have gotten laid.

Yes, as a matter of fact. You are wanted and get what you want without having to try.

>>36691800
If you could mangle a guy that is trained in several martial arts for years it's surprising you can't get pussy I guess but ok

And I'm certainly not full of shit. I'm just much wiser than all you normies so it appears that I am

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>>36691853
>had sex
>how pointless the act of sex even is

>>36691853
>a normie accuses virgins of being normies

Fuck off

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I'm only 3 years, 1 month, 3 weeks away from wizardry

>>36691811
Go to Peru and do it in a TRUSTED (do good research before) shamanic center. 100% serious. This CAN be a completely life changing experience. Seriously, at least give the research a chance if you haven't.
The shaman will help you if you're having a bad experience, which is important, to get the most out of it.

Watch this video and at least give it a thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTiclAcZcOQ

>>36691762
>Yep, that's life in 2017.
>Non male model men invoke zero attraction in women. Just the way it is. It's pretty funny how the vast majority of men are attracted to the vast majority of women, but the vast majority of women have zero attraction to the vast majority of men.
>We are literally insects compared to Chad.
This is all completely bullshit.

R9k has basically brainwashed you.

You need to stop coming here, and instead base your worldview on your real life experiences. Not this second-hand bullshit that gets filtered through thousands of autistic and depressed posters.

That goes for everyone.

>>36691870
Whatever you say man.

>it's surprising you can't get pussy
>I'm just much wiser than all you normies

So, am I a normie or not?

>>36691864
>Anonymous places so you don't have to worry about what people think.

The memory lingers forever. It's the WORST with strangers because I won't get a chance to prove to them I'm not a retard.

I'm fine doing video calls and whatnot... once I've known the person for months upon months. With strangers it never improves.

>>36691907
But you proved it, since you'd still be a virgin if you looked like us.

>>36691907
>This is all completely bullshit.

On the contrary, it is the truth.

>>36691853
>because how "normie" you are only depend on if you have gotten laid.
Erm...yeah?

>>36691907
>This is all completely bullshit.
Too bad it's not bullshit - if women are not instantly attracted you through looks, she's settling with you and that means she's constantly looking for a better catch to take.

>>36691919
>I won't get a chance to prove to them I'm not a retard.
But you don't need to prove anything to them, dude.
They don't even think that bad of you. They just go on with their day and forget.

You should deeply examine why you care so much. There's no need. It doesn't help you.

Decide what you value, and live your life by those values. Not goals or milestones, values. You can't lose. As long as you are doing what you value, you are moving in the right direction, regardless of outcome. That's why values are so important.

When you decide that, it doesn't matter what any individual thinks, or what you think they think, about some random encounter or social mistake. You won't care because you won't be attached to some perceived way things should be.

>>36691915
Yes, a virgin normie.

>>36691954
No, it's not. It's your mentality. Your worldview.
The normie virgin and the normie chad is very similar. They both are obsessed with sex.

Meanwhile Buddha Virgin and Buddha Chad is contemplating the universe and doesn't obsess with earthly needs.

>>36692001
I wish I could go on with my day and forget but my mind won't let me.

>>36692002
>I'm going to change the definitions of words to suit my views

>>36691933
I'm not the good-looking anon, I'm the balding skinnyfat manlet.
And yet I have sex with girls almost half my age. It's possible. Just try. Stop letting your emotions and ego stop you. Just try.

>>36691941
>>36691989
All your theories are based in other people's recounts of other people's recounts of other people's recount.

If it's not helping you live your life. Discard it.

Take risks while you're young. The world is like a lab where you get to experiment. Have fun. Build your worldview on that. Not some fucking theories typed out by autismos on an Indian basket-weaving forum.

>>36692072
> le just try
> le just "be yourself" meme

I literally need to 'le' everything to emphasize how dumb this sounds

>>36692072
How do you not get lonely just fucking a girl and never seeing her again?

>>36692072
Our experience:

>We try talking to girls
>It goes nowhere

>Hot guy tries talking to girls
>You know what happens

I'm 23 and people still think I'm a huge player. Like my friends consistently come to me for girl advice.

Still a virgin, I just have a lot of female friends.

If you're a sperg, it doesn't matter what age you are, people don't want to be around you because you're a sperg, not a virgin. If you aren't a sperg, no one will even assume you are a virgin to begin with.

The only non-meme answer is that it doesn't matter, at all. Everyone can lose his virginity just by getting a hooker, and for the most part there isn't much difference in the dating scene unless she genuinely likes you.

There are a lot of circumstances to consider why you are to this day unable to attract a mate. You might have been abused physically and/or emotionally, bullied or were outcasted and never knew why, leading to be deprived of affection you desprately want - so, you're unable to show or replicate affection. I give most "old" virgins the benefit of the doubt and think they had horrible experiences, which led them to develop one or more personality disorders, and this is why they have been unsuccessful or willingly choose to "spare" a possible mate with their own baggage.

Losing your virginity won't solve your problems; in contrary, it probably will only intensify them since you're so desperate for emotional and/or physical affection that you stick with the next gal who provides you such, but will treat you like a subhuman being.

t. Guy who has been there and done that.

>>36692072
>All your theories are based in other people's recounts of other people's recounts of other people's recount.

I also know from experience. /r9k/ is a board full of failed people that honestly deserve to die, but all of us have some experiences in life. Don't be so patronizing.

>Take risks while you're young
Does 28 count as young? People live fullfiling lives from much. much earlier.

>>36692072
>Take risks while you're young. The world is like a lab where you get to experiment. Have fun. Build your worldview on that.
>ITT : Just be yourself
Would you say the same for a person who's standing on a bridge and ready to jump? You're clearly a tourist from other board or even plebbit, who thinks that by spouting washed up inspirational words, he can make a difference.

>>36692066
>I wish I could go on with my day and forget but my mind won't let me.
I believe that it can. E.g. Neuroplasticity.
It may take something massive to shock you out of your patterns. Keep trying things you never thought you would. That's what evolution is; throwing random shit at a wall until some sticks. Anything you've thought of trying, try it in real life. Even if it "fails", you've learnt something important about yourself. You can do it.

>>36692180
>It may take something massive to shock you out of your patterns
Like an anime scenario where you meet a girl and she likes you. It's the only massive shock.

>>36692194
>Like an anime scenario....

No a high dose psychedelic trip that shatters your reality

>>36692194
In anime, it always works out. In real life, not so much.

>>36692217
>In real life, not so much.
That's why i used that analogy - there wont be massive shock in reality when it comes with girls. There wont be anyone to save you because everyone is busy saving themselves. It takes one to reach a hand and for other to grab it in order to save yourself, otherwise you'll drown in pitch black sea.

>>36691628
You're not even trying anymore. oregano

>>36692101
>I literally need to 'le' everything to emphasize how dumb this sounds
It's not "be yourself" it's "BE FUCKING ANYTHING. TAKE ACTION. STOP THEORIZING"
Simply taking action is all you need to do in order to learn. That's how nature works. Randomness eventually organizes itself into more complex structures.

>>36692111
>How do you not get lonely just fucking a girl and never seeing her again?
By knowing it's all building your understanding of girls. I went from casual sex, to fuckbuddies, and now I am dating a girl who might become my first gf.

>>36692135
>>Hot guy tries talking to girls
>>You know what happens
I'm not the hot guy. You are definitely taller than me. You definitely have more hair than me. You are probably even younger than me. Stop with the excuses. Time is on your side, use that shit. Leave your insecurities behind or deal with them, and develop as a person.

>>36692166
Of course you have some experiences, but very limited experiences. I know it's hard to see out of the personality you've constructed over the years, but you have to lose your ego if you really want to change. Let go of that pain and move forward. Don't stagnate in your neuroses.

>>36692167
>Would you say the same for a person who's standing on a bridge and ready to jump? You're clearly a tourist from other board or even plebbit, who thinks that by spouting washed up inspirational words, he can make a difference.
I've been here 10 years. I wasted my 20s reading r9k for 8+ hours a day, no joke.
It's funny, but the one month I got distracted from here, everything changed. I feel like I'm starting to go back to my old self just reading this kind of shit again. You really do internalize what you read, and that's especially dangerous when you spend all your time with people suffering from depression, anxiety, autism, etc.

>>36692194
>It's the only massive shock.
>only

Once again, black-and-white thinking.

Let it go. It's hurting you.

>>36689498
This is pathethic. How could you do this, like.

>maybe if I say I am virgin she will pityfuck me

What's wrong with you?

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>tfw I could have lost it on a school trip at 15 but got ED

>>36692337

Please explain.

>>36692347

>Don't stagnate in your neuroses.

I really want to, but everything around me proves that I am right.

>>36692347
I left /r9k/ for the better part of a year and nothing changed except that I didn't make any new online friends.

>>36692347
>By knowing it's all building your understanding of girls.

But didn't you long for companionship? If I just wanted to get laid I'd see a hooker.

I'd say probably 25. I lost mine at 16.

>>36692372
>Once again, black-and-white thinking.
Massive shock doesnt happen regularly, it either happens and you change or it doesnt happen and you end up being the same pathetic person.

>>36692347
>You really do internalize what you read, and that's especially dangerous when you spend all your time with people suffering from depression, anxiety, autism, etc.
You dont internalize what's posted here, you stay because it reflects your deepest personality traits.

>>36692510
This, he'd still be a virgin if that bitch hadn't magically offered him sex.

>>36689262
Depends tho my g. Technically lost it at 16 but didn't really feel like I wasnt a virgin til I started getting it regs at 24.swings and roundabouts I suppose

>>36689853
Pay your debts Hiroshima.

>>36689512
Na virgins are too pussy to rape

>>36692414
>I really want to, but everything around me proves that I am right.
That's part of your neurosis.
There's evidence for any worldview if you look hard enough. You can pick one that make you feel good instead of shit, and then gather evidence for that instead.
I think also that you should stop identifying your problems as "you". The anxiety you feel isn't "you", it's a separate thing. When it tells you that something is shit, or that you should feel bad, stop and remind yourself it's just the anxiety. Let it do it's thing, but don't let it overwhelm you.

>>36692416
>I left /r9k/ for the better part of a year and nothing changed except that I didn't make any new online friends.
What did you do instead? R9k was my main internet timesink, so just cutting that was a lot for me. If you do other things online, you might have to cut them too. The point is to stop living in the internet. It affects your psychology deeply. You need to go back to basic human experience. Stop substituting your socializing for forums and games. Whenever you feel lonely, use that as motivation to talk to someone for real.

>But didn't you long for companionship?
I have companionship now because I got the experience. If you want a girlfriend, you will need to know what to do when you meet a girl you really like. To know, you gotta learn. Take baby steps. Learn what girls like, what turns them on, how they think. Then you learn how to date, how to connect deeper, how to let someone in your life.
Who knows, you might get lucky and find a gf randomly. But I didn't want random, I wanted to build the skills so I would be ready. Now I'm dating a genuinely 8/10 pretty girl who shares my values, cares about important stuff, and is super sweet. It all came because I could take charge, because I had done the basics a million times.

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>>36689288

Holy shit, just checked the statistics, he is right

There are 1.1 million americans that are still virgins that are aged 25-40 which is 0.37% of the population, by the age of 44 0.3% of adults are still virgins.

Fuck, man. We're fucked.

Sources (don't remember which ones I actually used but most of them show the same trend)

>http://now.howstuffworks.com/2016/08/08/how-many-people-die-virgins-never-have-sex

>http://www.businessinsider.com/why-people-become-adult-virgins-2014-1?IR=T

>http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/love/package.jsp?name=fte/cdcstudy/cdcstudy

>http://www.bakadesuyo.com/2010/04/how-many-people-over-25-are-still-virgins/

>>36692541
>This, he'd still be a virgin if that bitch hadn't magically offered him sex.
Like he said - luck. Massive shock is just a luck. Some people lose virginity in their youth and some dont just because of luck.

>>36689498
>Asking females to pity you
Its like youre the girl and she is the man. Dont do it.

>>36689498
>ONLY 18
> "no time left, only one in the world"
>tells coworker theyre a virgin

sheesh. you're creating your own problems anon.

>>36692620
But why wouldn't you try tp find a girl to date from the outset? Did you magically gain this sage wisdom as soon as you got laid?

>Learn what girls like, what turns them on, how they think

All girls are the same?

>>36692510
You have free will and responsibility. Fucking use it to put yourself in new situations. I know you have an idea of what you could do, but you're too scared to try. Stop being scared, it's shit.

>>36692541
>magically
I was a fucking 30 year old virgin. If you meet enough girls, it will happen to you at leat once every 3 decades.
And it's not like it solved all my problems. I still had no idea how to get to a sexual level again on my own. I felt lost and hopeless many times. But I knew it was possible, and I found a way. I'm trying to teach you guys that it's possible, but I guess if you can't trust me then you'll have to find your own way.

>>36692531
That's the trap. Your patterns aren't you. Each of your personality traits has weakness, but they also have strengths which you can use to help yourself out of this hole.
For example, autists are especially logical and detail oriented. Use that to get beyond your emotional side, and attack your problems systematically. Organize them into bite-sized chunks and take action.

>>36692622
>25-40 which is 0.37% of the population, by the age of 44 0.3%
that means only 19% of 25+ virgins lose their virginity. basically only every fifth person here will stop being a virgin.
shit

I think it goes like this
>if you don't lose it by 16 people will not have have high expectations of you anymore and will never consider you an alpha unless you do something very drastic later on
>if you don't lose it by 18 it becomes slightly embarrassing and people consider you a "late bloomer" but still within the realms of normalcy
>if you don't lose it by 20 you will forever be known as "a virgin" or in worse cases "the virgin", even if by some act of God you somehow lose it later on
>if you don't lose it by 22 people will tell their underage daughters to stay away from you and always be ready to pepperspray you if needed

I'm 19, approaching 20 dangerously fast, but I have an internet gf whom I will probably meet before I turn 20. Wish me luck niggers

>>36692400
Happens to everyone at some point bud

>>36692664
>Like he said - luck. Massive shock is just a luck. Some people lose virginity in their youth and some dont just because of luck.
I fucking lost my virginity at 30. If anything, that's anti-luck.
Is the fact that I'm 5'8" and bald also luck?
Listen I'm trying to help you. If I had simply started trying earlier, I could have lost my virginity in my 20s. You can do that.
Luck is just statistics. The more things you do, the more likely "luck" will happen.

>>36689288
Get a hooker or a freshmen collage chick drunk
fucking pay a homeless chick 100 bucks to sit on you cock...fucking faggots.

>>36692725
>I still had no idea how to get to a sexual level again on my own. I felt lost and hopeless many times.

Not really if you figured out how to do it 20 more times within a year.

>>36692725
>I know you have an idea of what you could do, but you're too scared to try
To be honest, no i dont have an idea. The most i've ever thought about sex is that maybe that experience will mean something. I'm not sexual person and that's it. Even when i had to help roommate gf and she was flirting with me, i felt nothing.
I'm fucked and that's that. There's no going to be any revelation or massive shaming where people would belittle me in public - it's going to be invisible life where you wouldnt notice me even if'd walk by you. Maybe it's possible through massive shock, maybe it's not.

>>36692781
Hookers barely even count. You aren't a regular here, huh?

>>36692781
Hookers are shit and don't count. Only emotional sex matters

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>>36689263
From my prospective I would say that 27+ is the age of no return.

>Split your life from 0-27 into three equal parts
>0-9 is explicitly forbidden in all civilized societies
>9-18 is the conventional age range where many males lose their virginity, becoming more of a possibility the closer you get towards 18
>18-27 would be considered late bloomers (I unfortunately fall into this category) being that they would need to start their independence to obtain a relationship.

>>36690156
>They don't "express themselves as sexual entities", yet I like them. I get interested in any girl who gives me attention,

You don't see how pathetic that is?

>>36692828
>18-27 would be considered late bloomers
by current trends it's more of a 18-21

>>36692693
>But why wouldn't you try tp find a girl to date from the outset?
Because I would have to be lucky as fuck. I'm not a catch. I'm 30 and work minimum retail, have an autistic personality, like with my parents. I always believed I would make a shit boyfriend.

>Did you magically gain this sage wisdom as soon as you got laid?
No, but after a few times, you start getting a sense of what it takes. Of how things work, of how girls think and what they want and what they need.

>All girls are the same?
Are all guys the same? No, but you can still learn about them. You don't need to know that much, you just need a foundation to work off. It seems like a lot of guys here can't even interact with women because they don't know where to start. That's why I decided to learn.

>>36692779
>The more things you do, the more likely "luck" will happen
I'm a spergy fat autist. It doesnt matter if i'll attend club every weekend because in the end i'm still the same autist.

>>36690212
>Only people who unironically dont care are allowed to lose their v
What even is the point then

>>36692854
Your parents are okay with you fucking girls in their house? Weird

Anyone who is under the age of 40 has no reason to give a fuck. Your thirties are your main fucking years. As long as you're in some sort of okay shape at 29, or willing to improve, you can still make it.
40+ I dunno, maybe build model railways or something. Although plenty of women get horny for older guys.

>>36692854
Seems impossible anyone would learn all this shit over the course of a single year.

>>36692910
After college the only place you can meet sluts is at bars.

>>36692620
>I think also that you should stop identifying your problems as "you". The anxiety you feel isn't "you", it's a separate thing.

My anxiety is entirely my own, and to say that it is "something else" is a lie.

>When it tells you that something is shit, or that you should feel bad, stop and remind yourself it's just the anxiety.

Bullshit. That's just pep talk and those things don't work at all.

>>36689229
I lost mine at 22. about three weeks ago, she had no idea and its all hype. theres still hope since I thought I was fucked.

>>36691053
My mom was poor and went out and spent it on fancy sushi...There is a lesson I learned from a man about spending money to look rich and saving money to be rich.
Good forwarning.

>>36689274
I lost it at 26 the girl didn't even care.

>>36692983
Your mum sucks old man's dick for money

>>36692347
>I went from casual sex, to fuckbuddies

Fucking gross

>>36693097
If you do the job right what's the difference? I think more people lose it in the mid 20s than admit

>>36691762
>It's pretty funny how the vast majority of men are attracted to the vast majority of women, but the vast majority of women have zero attraction to the vast majority of men.

Yet the vast majority of women are with the vast majority of men... crazy

>>36693166
Only once they're old. On the cock carousel it's the few top guys fucking almost all the girls.

>>36693178
>Only once they're old
Yeah man, no couples in college at all or people having stable relationships, just da alfa fux n teh beda bucks

>>36693273
>stable relationships

There are no stable relationships, kiddo.

>>36692846
Well yeah it is most likely that a Collegiate would get laid, but some people choose to wait to fulfill a dream of the true bachelor lifestyle, being that they may have started out disenfranchised, like myself actually.

>25yr old Virg(in)o

25+ because there are people from arranged relationship-istans and such that don't even get a choice to lose it.
I felt bad about having my first girl at 21 but I met an Indian who didn't until 23, and he was way better socially than me.

Your age isn't as important as your ability and motivation to improve yourself.

>>36693322
>>25yr old Virg(in)o
Same here buddy (24 khv). I dont really expect anything to happen.

>>36693306
>Being an old virgin makes you this jaded
Do yourself a favor and just get a hooker

>>36693432
What's next? Just be yourself?

>>36693509
>What's next? Just be yourself?
Nah, a better version of yourself. just be yourself works for literally everyone else, you're just a shitty person with no interesting qualities, so instead of just being yourself, be you+

>>36693553
I appreciate your honesty, few normies are this direct.

But your advice is wrong, again.

>>36693701
No, it's not. Are you trying to tell me that all the people currently in relationships or able to get fucks did it by some other method than just being themselves? I think you just realize that people don't like you because you bring nothing to the table, you're not fun or interesting, so you say being yourself just doesn't work.

If it makes you feel any better, I lost my virginity at 23 to the mindbogglingly gorgeous woman who is now my wife. Sometimes it's just a matter of finding the right combination between waiting for the right person and being proactive.

>>36692927

Who said anything about sluts idiot

>>36693776
Isn't it weird for a guy to marry the girl that he lost his virginity to? You should at least have tried out one or two other girls.

>>36693810
There's no guarantee you'd ever find a girl you got along with better.

>>36693810
I had a lot of girlfriends beforehand, but it's telling I never liked anyone enough to get that far. There's more to a relationship than sex.

>>36693810
>you must find a virgin girlfriend, non virginal girlfriends are irrevocably spoiled and non negotiably worthless
>Chad should sample plenty of virgins before choosing though so the "market" gets filled with these girls so robots can feel bad about themselves

>>36693876
Who are you quoting? Everyone should experiment a bit (just not too much) before settling down.

Depends on where you live I guess. Here, 18 is probably the point of no return. It is completly normal to go drinking regularly at age 14.
I'm 21 and I think it would be easier to just die a virgin than to change. My comfy zone has become prison which has become an even comfier zone.

>>36689921
Good luck buddy, you'll probably won't every be able to use it

>>36689853
When ur 16 and you've dedicated your life to a thing already, and by the way things are going, you might as well just give up looking for a girl

>>36693905
I know that feel, bro. The only reason why I finally managed to lose my virginity is because I went abroad for a while, leaving everything behind. I was able to re-invent myself and get better at socializing with girls. In my old comfort zone, I would have never ventured out to get it done.

I was a hand holdless, kissless, and a virgin until i was 25. If you make yourself look attractive and don't act like a twat, that virginity even looks attractive.

>>36693964
Nice. I probably will never do that since I have a job and live in a nice country and I'm a turbosperg. But I wish to improve myself too once I move out.

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>>36693338
Hahahaha finally rolled some double dubs. Honestly though, the best thing you can do is to improve yourself to the person you believe you want to be; obviously if you don't feel contempt with your life right now, you are not who you feel you should be.

>Tfw "Just be yourself" actually has some truth to it.

>>36693964
I'm not able to reinvent myself around new people. I'm such a wreck with strangers that I can't form any semblance of a personality to begin with.

>>36690045
I've tried this so many fucking time, legit tried about 8 people before I just gave up, noone was interested. Not even as a platonic.
I don't think I'm ugly, but i wouldn't know, I'm defs not hot either probably a 6/10 at best. SOMEHOW every single girl I talk to irl and then message online always seems to be "busy" or just reads and "seenzone"

I would try again but i've practically given up at this point, I see my closest friends get with people, and I do everything and nothing changes.
>Meet people
>Get deets
>Message people
>Get blocc'd

>>36689903
>Considering I was 32 and making only $10k per year when I lost my virginity to a decent 7/10

Nice joke anon

>>36689229
Don't get all these posts about being a virgin. This is something you can change easily, you can just pay a roastie and bam its gone.

I personally don't give a fuck that I'm a virgin, what I am ashamed about though is my tiny dick which is something I cannot change no matter what I do.

Happened at 23 for me, with my girlfriend who was 19.
Had multiple chances to lose it to your average vapid basic bitch, but I'd made up my mind that I would rather remain a virgin than my first time being with someone I didn't care about.
Pursuing sex without feelings is such a fucking meme, that's what I got my fleshlight for - a fraction of the cost in the long run, and no risk of unwated pregnancies and STDs.

>>36689229
24 is young, just work on improving yourself and women will come along in your life. They ain't all that anyway

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>>36689229
25+ is the cut off
Unless you're from a muzzie background like me.
Tfw don't believe in god but still going to get an arranged marriage if I don't manage this break cycle myself

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>>36692162
>tfw nobody notices my novel

>>36689229
i lost it few days before turning 21
so idk...i was so desperate i cant imagine how would it be if i were 29

>>36690045
>Also I am a skinnyfat, balding manlet. And I fuck 19 year olds.
Always those stories about gollum looking guys fucking sexy high school girls huh. Just like in my japanese erotic comics.

The truth is, if she let you fuck her that easily, you are not as unattractive as you pretend to be.

>>36690212
>I stopped giving a shit at one point and started to focus on myself instead and ironically ended up losing my virginity at one point.
If it "just happened" it means you are attractive and were just too autismal to lose it before. It doesn't "just happen" when you're short and ugly.

Ugly Tinger guy here.

Day 3 on my fake Chad profile.
Talking with qt's.

They are suddenly interested in politics, economics and law.

If I make a wrong guess, they say it's wrong, but then add that it is cute that I tried.

Literally no effort needed whatsoever. I can go through any of them and they message me back and pursue and try to keep the conversation going.

>>36694909
No shit, Sherlock. It's the same with guys. If a girl is hot, you'll be more willing to entertain her, even if she is a dumb cunt.

>>36694930
Not true.
I don't like overly hot girls and I know they will be overdemanding because, you see, they were born with cute face. I can't stand beautiful and dumb girls and I do not maintain a conversation with them even if it means to sacrifice my chance of getting a pussy (even if there wasn't a chance in the first place)

>>36694969
Yes, sure thing buddy. I guess you're picking the ugliest girls to talk to with your fake profile, as well.

>>36693740
Your whole argument is that I must be a NEET?
Stop projecting.

>>36694969
It is true. You can pretend that you don't do it, but pretty much every guy does it for women they're attracted to

>>36694996
That's not my argument at all I never even mentioned NEETs, they can be pretty cool. My argument is that being yourself does work and is pretty much the only thing that works, IF you're a not an obnoxious, loathsome person. And if your only argument is that it doesn't work because people don't like you, then that leads me to believe that you just have a shit personality and want r9k to be your personal pity party

>>36694987
>>36695000

I pick girls I can find a similar interest with and see how the conversation goes. Yes, most of them are 6.5 to 8.5 out of 10 but I just drag the conversation.

The only 7 I got with my real profile was so boring that I literally texted her that. She didn't respond - I was waiting that she will begin excuses. But I was too ugly for that kind of privilege

>>36695076
Maybe you're not as interesting as you think yourself?

>>36689229
At 25 it becomes embarrassing to still be a virgin.

But around 35 you stop caring about people finding out you are still a virgin.

At 35 you are glad that they even noticed you and you enjoy they shock and utter disbelief that someone at 35 can still be a virgin.

>35 kissless virgin

>>36695064
On the contrary, people tend to like me a lot. I just don't like them.

I don't care about sex anymore.

I just want companionship.

I'm tired of being alone.

I tried online dating, it was all girls with severe mental disorders and were obese.

I tried in real life. I can't keep them interested. I'm not making small talk, I'm trying to flirt and make as many sexual innuendos as possible.

Nothing.

Doesn't help that I have IBD and AS either.

>>36695076

>has the privelage to be dating in the age of online dating
>still finds a way to sabatoge himself this badly

Stop dragging out conversations. Use the app to set up dates and get to know girls IN PERSON.

>>36695094
I am sorry but that wasn't my point.
My point was I don't drag conversations with bimbos.
It has nothing to do with me being interesting or not.

>>36689288
>tfw 26 year old virgin

I don't know what to do anymore. I always believed that 25 was the absolute point of no return, and I'm past it now. What am I going to do? I'm not even fat or that ugly, and I have mostly Chad friends. I just have no confidence at all. Nothing I do to raise it even helps. Getting out of being a skinny faggot DYEL would give most people a jolt of confidence, but I got nothing out of it, just muscle dysmorphia. I think my friends are beginning to notice that I have absolutely no game with girls, and I wouldn't be surprised if they figured it out sooner than later.

>>36695130
>On the contrary, people tend to like me a lot. I just don't like them.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
sure thing buddy

>>36695133
But I swear the PUA is going to tell me to stop thinking about it and it'll magically go away. My spine won't be inflamed anymore and neither will my GI tract!

>>36695142
Tried, the girls had second thoughts after giving me their number.

pro tip: No,I didn't send a dick pic

>>36695201
>a misanthrope has friends?? no way!

Grow up, buddy.

>>36695248
wtf man, I'm agreeing with you. You're like super totally rad and everyone loves you, but you're a lone wolf haunted by his past so you shrug off those evil normie invitations to "social gatherings"

It doesn't even occur to me or bother me that I'm a 23 year old virgin until I see threads like this

>>36695313
Your inability to be edgy around people and still making them like you is not my problem.

Stop spouting memes. Your next reply better have some quality to it.

>>36695368
I honestly don't understand why you're so upset, Edward. I also eat lunch alone in the bathroom and write poems about how much I hate humanity and why the evil normies should be wiped out, but just like you, they all profess their love to me and women throw themselves at me, but I remain true to my code and ignore those whores

>>36695448
Too bad. I wanted discussion, but I guess that's too much to ask.

>>36691694
he was bullied for being a sperg, not for being attractive, look at his posts if he isn't trolling

>>36695499
>Too bad. I wanted discussion, but I guess that's too much to ask.

I've already given you discussion and you just blew it off and pretended like people love being around you because you're so edgy and hate everyone. Why would I then attempt to have a conversation with such a child?

>>36695616
Why do you think I'm lying, though?

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>tfw 27 year old virgin
I'm kinda glad this is not an original comment.

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I have problems talking to most girls . Some seem to find it adorable and just power through the fact im struggling to make any sense.

Always been fairly fat but the last 2-3 years Ive gone from just fat to having a bit of a belly but noticeably muscular too.Face has lost its super chins to having just a small double chin.

I got used to being just flat out ignored by girls and now that they are actually the ones taking the initiative on me I just sperg out. Im sure they can immediately tell there is something up.


When they do take the first few steps though its like this is easy,I know they are into me I dont need to be like oh god shes doing this does it mean x y z

Just rambling I guess, Im getting older and while im slowly getting better its like people 7-8 years younger than me are all in relationships and im still just like How to gf.

22 or 23 since that's when it stops being easy. By easy I mean having the the opportunity to meet women without coming off as a creep since most normal people are done with college around this age.

>>36690212
I mostly reek of apathy this days.
I'm quite positive there have been women interested in me even recently, but they seem to come to the conclusion that I'm not interested (which is true I guess).

I've made peace with never losing it. I can't imagine being together with a girl that isn't a borderline autist, or has psychological issues that isolate her, or is just a shut-in/indoor person or ist just a nerd that had terrible luck with human interactions so far.

>>36690257
>which won't happen because I'm afraid to talk to girls in case they'll think I'm hitting on them.
I'm glad I'm not the only autist who does that.
I actually can talk to women, if I know they have a boyfriend or are gay, since they are "safe".
Talking to a single woman feels like treading a minefield even if I'm not remotely interested.

>>36691334
>You don't need a femanon type. You don't even know what you need because you don't talk to girls enough.
But I find normal girls boring and they feel the same way about me, how is that supposed to work?

>>36691464
This. It fluctuates somewhat though between 1-4 times a day.

Face, height, bone structure, and dick size.
If you don't have these qualities on your side, there's nothing you can do to fix it.
Women will never be attracted to men with feminine face, narrow shoulders, thin bones, manletism, and dickletism. It's not about lack of confidence. Lack of confidence is caused by awareness of inferiority and lack of positive external validation.

>>36691443
>treat women like trash
In what way do you do this?

Do you mean you are just sexist to their face or you treat them like you would another dude you didn't like?

Only 18 but I've fucked at least 10 women in the pAst year

>>36689861
cant wait till Im old enough for tinder
>t. normie 4chan cancer who comes on this site just to get memes to laugh at friends with,also pretty decent looking and have been to a few parties. still a virgin tho :(

Tfw 23yo female virgin.
Feels good.

>Inb4 you all call me a roastie whore

>>36697634
How is your sex relevant to the discussion?

Attention whore

>>36697726
Because obviously I want a bf. Leave me alone, I'm sad.

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>>36689262
>22 in six months
shit time's running out

>>36689229
I'd say 22 and it starts to mean something is wrong with you. 30 is the point of no return

>>36697817
Post your titties

>29, active social life, good job
>explain to friends I'm not into dating, everyone's cool with it to my face
>later hear from a close male friends that apparently female coworkers were shit talking me behind my back because I must be gay or have a small dick
It's weird because my male buddies seem more impressed by the fact I don't have any desire to chase pussy but women don't see it the same way. Can't imagine why.

I'd stopped caring about it at around 23. So 23 I guess.

>>36689262
>tfw I turned 22 last month
Should I end it lads?

>>36689229
>still a virgin
>aside from one awkward time with a hooker which I don't count
How delusional can a person be - The post
>>36690733
t. can't read

>>36689246
What is wrong with you
When me and my mates were 12 we were collecting pokemon TCG cards

>>36689498
>>tells me she's 19 and still a virgin and that it'll happen when it happens
>>>tells me she's 19 and still a virgin and that it'll happen when it happens
>>>>tells me she's 19 and still a virgin and that it'll happen when it happens

Guy, you should have pushed HARD when you hear this! Create chances to meet and talk to her again! She's practically inviting you to ask her out, how could you have missed this?! A girl doesn't make this much effort to talk to someone they don't like on some level!

>>36698459
No... Not at all.

People like you that assume a girl making conversation with you means she wants to fug you are just creepy as fuck.

>>36698459
Nah he was doomed. Nothing dries pussy more than pity

>>36698338

If you dont cum you are still a virgin.