If you perpetuate the suffering of sentient beings capable of

>>36508958
The torture of sweet death?
Would you do me the favor in person dearest shill?

>>36508958
>sentient
yawn

Fuck off Johnny 2x4. Animals eating other animals is the way of life.

>muh sentients

Plants can communicate you sick fuck. Go eat dirt.

>>36508958
>Just want do die
>Too scared to do it myself
>Random internet anon says I deserve to die
>He won't even come kill me

Just fuck off with your teasing or get real. If you care at all about humans you'll be willing to kill me.

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check mate vegatheists

>>36509028
>He doesn't know how to communicate with dirt

>>36508958
lol it's impossible to live a life that doesn't cause animals to suffer
therefore you should kill yourself first

is this guy vegan? holy shit I wanna meet him. straight male here btw

>>36509056
>20mph
Go pick the chicken off the track desu

>>36509081
>impossible to make them suffer = make them suffer as much as you can

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>>36508958
Vegan gains you are such a frickin vegan bro

>>36508958

>muh ethics

Fuck off.

>Y...You deserve-

Most people don't get what they deserve.

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>>36509013
Not OP but animals are sentient.

>mfw meat eaters can't justify themselves without resorting to doublethink, argument from nature or some pathetic last-ditch invocation of moral nihilism
I laugh every time, veganism is the ultimate redpill

If the trolley hits the vegan food the chicken can still eat it and make me delicious eggs.

We would both die of thirst tho.

And if a trolley is coming then I wouldn't be stranded. I'd pick the chicken up and hop on the trolley.

>>36509348
Vegans dont eat eggs though

>>36509394
Being vegan is going overboard. Animals are your friends. Chickens lay the eggs for you. Its their gift to you. Goats give milk to you. Trees give fruits to you. Enjoy them. There is no harm to the animals.

Be one with mother earth and all its creatures.

>>36509501
You sound like a fucking retard

originally

>>36508958
I eat meat as long as the meat industry exists. The animals die whether you eat them or not. Go after the supply rather than the demand fag.

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>>36508958
>It's another "apply anthropomorphic standards of suffering and sentience to animals" episode

>lion eats water buffalo
>"oh wow what magnificent creatures!"
>human eats a burger
>"you disgusting murderers!@!#"

Being vegan was a meme created by large corporations to create a new multi-billion dollar industry.

>>36509528
You sound like a transgendered person.

>>36509633
>appeal to nature
Humans have a sense of morality and the choice to not eat animals. You're basically just admitting that continuing to eat meat is resorting to savagery.

>>36508958

From an ethical standpoint it depends upon which theory you're prescribing. If it is in the case of Utilitarianism, it is completely ethical, and in the case of deontology, we indeed are using animals as a means to an ends but there is debatable value in animal life as opposed to a human. Any theory you really prescribe will be justified so long as people are fulfilling a necessity (which also negates the need for ethics) and will be void due to the companies and organizations being the medium in which the animals suffer. There is no active suffering by the laymans hands, only a passive omission that it is happening. Would people stop their suffering if they could, of course, but is there a pragmatic solution to such a problem, no. Alternatives to meat may exist but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that consumption of genuine meat products fulfills functions a human body may need to maintain homeostasis. Good look arguing this one, the scientific and ethical community along with the fools over at PETA have been trying for ages. It is less an argument to the people and more to governing agencies.

t. an ethicist

>>36509734
>implying the pleasure a human receives from eating a burger outweighs the pain of a cow spending its life in a cage getting its udders drained until they wither away and its throat is eventually slit once its usefulness is expended

I didn't realise completing an introductory philosophy course qualifies you as an "ethicist"

>>36510046

>cherrypicking an argument

And you didn't even complete it

>>36509633
Meat is more expensive than vegetables and harder to produce.
Lions are carnivores by nature and can't eat plants. Humans aren't carnivores.
Eating the flesh of other animals is barbaric and monstrous.

>>36508958
I eat meat because it tastes good, and I'm still a good person regardless of what you say I am. This is the part where you say immoral and you act like you're better than I am, but it doesn't matter, because it makes no difference to me, I get to keep eating delicious meat, and you get to keep posting bait threads on this site for (you)s. In the end we both win really.

>(You)

>>36509734
>Alternatives to meat may exist but there is sufficient evidence to suggest that consumption of genuine meat products fulfills functions a human body may need to maintain homeostasis.
Barely. Plenty of people survive off of a meatless diet. Even if you want to get technical with B vitamins and shit you would only need meat once a month at most, let alone dairy, eggs, etc. Humans evolved from apes who are primarily herbivorous.

>>36510297
You're right, humans aren't carnivores, but we are omnivores. So we can eat whatever the fuck we want you insufferable moralfag. I suppose I should stop jacking off to yeah? Since Everytime I blow my load countless human lives are lost.

>same torture you put animals through
damn living my life being perfectly fed and being perfectly happy my entire life sounds like hell.
maybe if OP(icture) ate meat his pecs wouldn't slope to his stomach like a double diamond ski slope.

maybe so but the problem is that this line of argument generalizes in ways most vegans don't want to admit.

for instance, cell phone towers are absolutely terrible for bird populations and cause tons of suffering. so, you really shouldn't have a cell phone. cars and roads in general maim and kill huge numbers of animals and insects every day, so you should get rid of them too. harvesting wheat and vegetables with mechanical farm equipment maims and kills all kinds of rodents and other animals that live in the fields. agriculture in general causes many deaths of wild animals both through habitat destruction and direct violence by farmers trying to keep wild animals away form their crops.

so, if you really care about needless animal suffering, meat consumption is only the first and most obvious step. you should also be advocating for the elimination of most of industrial, agricultural society. which is fine by me but at least be consistent

>>36510370
If you want to eat your own shit and cum, go for it, nobody is stopping you. Also, we can't eat whatever we want. Our diets are limited in many ways. You can try to eat grass but I don't think that would work out too well.

>>36509283
> vegcuck REALLY NEED to justify themselves
Wow.

>>36508958
The other day I killed a colony of ants with poison. Maybe they would have found a way into my house maybe not. I'm glad their dead, either way.

>humans are so self-centered that they believe their suffering of a great enough importance to dictate their behavior and apply the same principle to other species.
We really are a pathetic, aren't we?

>>36510412
>this argument again
It's all or nothing with you isn't it. Why try a little when you can't solve every single problem in one fell swoop, eh? Better not try at all, haha.

>>36510419
>Haha, he said "anything" so instead of applying that to the confines of the argument, I'm going to take it extremely litteraly!

Are all vegans this autistic?

>>36510457
I know right, we should probably just nuke the planet to get rid of any sort of suffering whatsoever. It's the only way.

>>36510495
You're the autist who called me an "insufferable moralfag", you edgy piece of shit.

>>36510490

no, meat consumption is a good place to start

the problem is that we both know that most vegans don't want to abandon the comforts of technology and agriculture, so it's a bit hypocritical when they attack people who don't want to give up the comforts of meat. if, instead, they actually try to follow their line of though to its proper end and view meat consumption as just the first stop along the way, then i have no complaint

I do not give a shit about animals and their suffering.

>>36510533
The only logical conclusion to that line of thinking is the complete eradication of the human race, since no matter how we live we'll cause the death of animals somehow, somewhere. It's an unfair argument to make.

I've been half-assed vegan for the past month or so. I don't buy meat or animal products but I'll still eat them if they're offered and I'm hungry. I plan to go all out once I'm done quitting cigarettes and porn

>>36510520
Better to be edgy than an autist that is so insecure about whether they are a good person, that you have to go online to argue that you're a better person just because you don't eat meat

>>36510561

not necessarily. the line of argument is that we shouldn't cause animal suffering for minor comforts. but if we were living in the wild, killing animals for survival, it wouldn't be just minor comfort. it would be like a wild animal killing another wild animal. so, the argument leads to the conclusion that agricultural societies are wrong but not that killing animals in all circumstances is wrong

>>36510577
Wow Anon, you really read me like a book there. I'm so terribly insecure, I'm gonna go cry into my bowl of collard greens. I'll be right back.

>>36510502
That is the logical outcome of those who prioritize suffering, pleasure, or happiness. It's a monstrous worldview when it comes down to it.

>>36510602
>minor comforts
I agree that meat is a minor comfort, but I don't agree that things like mass agriculture, cell phones, cars, etc. are minor in this day and age. Even then, you can go back hundreds of years and argue the same thing. The real problem is the massive population of humans, which goes back to my original point in that you're arguing for the culling of humanity.
>killing animals for survival
Again, goes back to the culling of humanity. Hunting to feed yourself and your society only works when said society is very small. We could easily rid the Earth of most wildlife if we started doing that at our current population. Agriculture allows us to grow much more food with less impact on the environment OVERALL.

Honestly, I don't like most people, and after reading /r9k/ and 4chan for years I could agree that most people deserve to be purged from this Earth. Unfortunately my dream will probably never come true, so I do the next best thing.

>>36508958
t. vitamin b12 deficient cuck

It's people like you that cause delight and satisfaction in inflicting suffering.
There would be no appeal to be anything but indifferent if it weren't for sentimentally inclined weaklings moaning incoherently like you.