Claim: Being a KHHV is equal to or worse than being a rape

agree. society has wronged me through inaction. your brain literally turns retarded without physical contact.

>Be desperate virgin
>Desperation starts driving you crazy
>You come off as creepy because you literally can't act normal around women anymore
>Chances of losing virginity diminish
>Become even more desperate
what a viscous cycle

>>36316702
>viscous
I mean vivacious

>>36316316
Completely agree. I'd actually say it's worse because these people can heal through intimacy and therapy. If you're forever KHHV than no amount of therapy can really help.

>>36316316
Agree, rape can traumatize you, but being a KHHV can lead to suicide.

>>36316316
I'd argue that being KHV is a symptom of a wider issue, not an issue itself - social failure.

But the utter social failure inherent in being a KHV is certainly comparable to being a rape victim, and depending on severity (of both), may even be worse.

Khhv still have innocents, I envy you guys
t. Rape victim

rape victims receive love and support

KHVs are totally alone, and are mocked. true victim blaming.

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>25 year old KHHV in 3 months
Am i going to make it lads.

>>36316932
>victim blaming.

While it might not be your fault you are the way you are, it is your nature that's preventing you from getting laid. And only you can change your nature.

>>36316972
But what can change the nature of a man?

>>36316969
What's the new H? I thought it was Kissless Hugless Virgin?
>>36317001
memes

>>36317024
Kissless, hugless, handholdless virgin.

i can't believe this isn't original

>>36317024
the other h is handholdless

I was going to say worse if you're a male, but I'm not really sure. I doubt raped men get much support.

>>36316969
I'm going to be 26 in two weeks and people assume I go to parties and shit. I'm also asked if I have kids and/or girlfriends. Fucking kek, if they only knew. It doesn't really bother me though, and I barely even think about it. The point is, you can make it if you want to; you don't have to be a khhv. I can't believe I'm saying this shit, but: just get out there.

>>36317042
>>36317046
Jesus christ.

oreganananana

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>>36317066
How do i "get out there" when i have virtually no friends or connections.

People only meet other people through networking or social media and i don't have either at my disposal because i've spent my formative years being a shut in loser.

>>36316316
Disagree.
I've been a KHHv for a long time now. It isn't something you can't manage.

>>36317105
The place where you meet people is school, and work. I can't think of another place, honestly. If you are already in any of these two, find common ground with people. Make friends and go from there. As far as girlfriends, remember women only respond to men who they feel they are above them in looks,status, or money. But money is almost inorganic, and I'm close to saying that status is also.

>>36317105
Go to an event/society/bar/club/insert social event here and chat to people, and add them on facebook. It'll probably be slow fucking going to start with, but eventually you'll find yourself doing things you enjoy (a martial art/sport/activity/etc) and connecting with people. Even if you don't massively like everyone you meet you'll at least connect with them.

I'd also advise, if your diet is poor, improving it, and doing some exercise/going outside, assuming you don't.

It's been fairly conclusively proven that exercise, socialisation and proper diet can improve your mood etc.

Once you've improved yourself, and have some social skills, you'll probably have become at least somewhat desirable and able to try and go on dates etc without completely dropping your spaghetti.

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>>36317209
>school and work
>in college currently and people do their best to stick to their already established groups and act like all others literally do not exist
>in all the jobs i've worked coworkers see you as acquaintances and want absolutely fucking nothing to do with you out of work

>>36317051
Male-on-male prison rape not only receives no support, it's also actively used as a punchline!

Don't drop the soap haha! Every person in prison is a subhuman who deserves to have their basic human rights stripped and to be violently raped anally lol!

>>36316316
Depends where you are and how old you are.

If you're somewhere wealthy and/or where polygamy is common it's no big deal but if you are somewhere poor where people breed like rabbits it would make you feel terrible.

But if it lasts past your mid-20s it can be painful no matter where you are, especially if you are otherwise sociable and have your shit together.

>>36316316
disagree


also test post to see if i am banned

>>36317260

I'm telling you that it only looks that way to you, school and work present much better opportunities for social growth for most other people. The difference between them and you is that you're just unsociable in your current state, so people avoid you. If you take some of that guy's advice and improve yourself by getting a hobby and dieting and exercising, you may find that the assumptions you hold about college and work aren't as concrete as you though.

>>36317260
I'm in the same boat as you anon so I will be reading this thread later.
But are you the same person posting these sad cats on the /fit/ thread about an extinct ape and in other threads? Of so could you share your collection please.

>>36316702
>be desperate virgin
>go out anyway and get shut down by girls because of your autism
>realize it doesn't matter what whores think
>Keep doing it, gaining confidence each time
>Meet a girl who actually talks to you for a few minutes
>get number, fuck
> No longer desperate virgin

>>36317066
"Just get out there" implies that there's anyone or anything out there for me. There isn't. It's not possible to socialize, god forbid with a woman. Socializing is too painful, too embarrassing, too fruitless.


Staying inside is not the problem. It's a symptom of a problem that could only have been solved 10+ years ago with hindsight.

>>36317432
>realize it doesn't matter what whores think
>Keep doing it, gaining confidence each time
This isn't actually how reality works.

And do you think KHVs actually care about "a whore to fuck"? That's such a lack of perspective. Intimacy and mutual affection are the goal.

>>36317480
Well then enjoy your misery. If you want to stay in your little bubble your whole life, do it. Some people don't. Despite being on /r9k/, I want to make something of myself, and with the positive feedback I'm getting at a professional and personal level every time I leave the house, I intend on doing just that.

>>36317582
>This isn't actually how reality works.

It actually is EXACTLY how reality works. You guys need to go out and gain some experience touching another fucking human and getting comfortable with your sexuality. Only then will you meet someone you really click with and it will become something beyond sex.

>>36317661
Wow, it must be dope to receive positive feedback! Having a support system must be awesome. I'm speaking in hypotheticals of course, because I wouldn't know.

>>36316316
Worse than a female rape victim.
Better that a male assrape victim.

t. khhv, neither

>>36316316
It depends on the individual I'd say. Their gender and their mental constitution. Some people recover pretty quickly after rape, others never recover no matter how many therapies and meds are thrown at them. The problem with rape is mainly PTSD, the problem with permavirginity is usually depression and suicide.

I don't think there's a definite answer and those two situations have many different variations. Rape victim can mean unwanted sex at a party with some chad who won't take no for an answer, or it could mean getting brutally raped by your uncle every night from the ages of 5 to 15. Two very different situations. Khhv can mean some 18 years old that's just a whiny idiot that will get laid just fine when he gets drunk enough to be assertive at a concert or it could mean a 35 years old ugly dude that will die hugless even, because he's so ugly no one will be affectionate with him in any way. Very different realities here too.

>>36316847
>social failure.
How so? I have friends but I'm so short and ugly no one wants me as a lover. It's a symptom of genetic fucking failure desu. Hell, I'm en route to seeing a friend right now. We're both 28. He had 5 girlfriends and countless one night stands. I'm a kissless hugless handholdless virgin.

>>36316869
If you can get affection and relationships, I envy you.
t. I hug my pillow at night and cry.

>innocence
Virginity is only cute until you're in your early 20s. And it's never ever cute when you're ugly, anyway.

>>36316316

Aw. Rei a cute.

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>>36317721
this

positive v negative reinfocement

>>36316316

Being made into a khhv from stunted growth by parental neglect (poor nutrition, low testosterone from medications, etc) is worse than rape, but it is not even considered a crime.

>>36317432
>be desperate virgin
>go out anyway and get shut down by girls because of your autism
>realize how much of a pathetic excuse of a human you are
>Keep doing it, dying more inside each time
>Meet a girl who actually talks to you for a few minutes
>get number, she doesn't show up
>Blow your head off and die sad and alone

>>36318164
Chad's tips:

Just be yourself
Just go up and talk to them bro
Don't worry about rejection dude
Just be confident
Just lift bro

If everything above doesn't work, you must just be a bitter virgin who wants to be miserable. Worked for me bro

>>36318284
>Chads get laid constantly yet you guys refuse to believe them when they tell you why they are getting laid constantly.

>>36318354
Lebron could give you his best advice to be good at basketball. Doesn't mean you'll be a pro if you follow it. Especially if you aren't as tall or athletic or experienced.

>>36317993
The problem with the guy in that pic is he is basing 100% of his self-worth on what other people think of him, as do many people here. I do it too. We spend massive amounts of time and energy comparing ourselves to others and feeling light years behind them in our careers, sex lives ect. Instead try to focus on beating yourself. Last year you ate like shit and never worked out once and talked to zero girls. Do one of those things better and you are improving. Try to improve over last year's you, last month's you and last week's you. You will fuck up some weeks, but the more you keep at it, the more you will feel like less of a piece of shit. Maybe your not at chads level, but you're kicking your lazy cuck's ass who was you last year.

>>36318454
You really comparing getting laid to becoming a professional athlete? One is not like the other.

>>36318535
But you have to care what others think. It's vital. We're talking about interpersonal relationships. If other people don't like you, it will never happen.

There are no "most improved" trophies in life. No girl gives a shit that you used to be an even bigger loser but are now slightly less of one. Either you make it or you don't. And I can't justify putting in that much effort and putting myself through that much discomfort and embarrassment to never make it.

>>36318560
You're right, one is not like the other. Athletic skills can actually be learned and practiced with visible tangible improvements. Social skills and charisma are much more nebulous and impossible to learn.

>>36318634
>Social skills and charisma are much more nebulous and impossible to learn.

This is absolutely false and I think even you know that.

>>36318535
>self improvement meme

You have limited potential and a ceiling. You can only be what your body will allow you to be. If you don't have the right traits when you're finished with adolescence, then you never will. Although it is important to have the right lifestyle to reach your full potential during childhood and adolescence, your limits are pretty set in stone past that point.

>>36318535
>falling for the self improvment meme

the only thing that kinda works for me is believing I'll never get laid so it doesn't matter what I do. I don't base myself of other peoples opinion but the pic is still right because whether you like it or not humans are social animals and if you are contantly told you are worthless, you'll eventually believe it

>inb4 just belive in urself, people like that

doesn't work. you might fool them temporarily becase your uncaring personality is mysterious at first bit they will realise you are different.

I see threads like this and I wish I had popcorn to grab watching how pissed off everyone gets at each other.

>>36318768
It's absolutely true. Athletics boils down to pure mechanical ability. You can practice a layup and see actual improvement. You can practice a free throw or a jump shot.

You cannot practice a conversation. You cannot practice on-the-fly body language and facial expressions, and reading them in others. It's too variable. It's too much. Everyone and every scenario is different.

You end up trying to think about so much that you can't even focus on the conversation. It's like you're trying to small talk while juggling chainsaws.

This isn't even mentioning huge fundamental issues like "I'm boring" or "nothing in life interests me". That shit runs so deep, you would need a time machine to do any notable change.

>>36318608
It's not about hitting the gym once and telling the girl of your dreams you improved a bit. You're still looking at it from her point of view and basing your self worth off that. Once you begin to see some small improvements in your self, your own confidence goes up, fast. Once that change begins to happen you become less worried about that girl rejecting you because YOU know your a badass and on the right track and there are a million other women. You're counting yourself out before you even begin trying. I genuinely think 99% of people on this board have it in them to meet someone they connect with, or get laid or get a job. They just need the smallest little victory in a life that is filled with failures. But they have to DO IT. Starting anything new is always the hardest part. the discomfort goes away.

>>36318454
Yo, just dribble the ball man. Just shoot for the hoops man. Basketballs so fucking easy, why do you keep dropping the ball?

>>36318890
>You cannot practice a conversation.

Please explain to me exactly why you can't practice a conversation? Go on youtube. There are 10000 videos of people who went from massively socially awkward virgins to dudes who slay and band a new girl every week. Not saying that's your goal, but yea, they practiced having a conversation. they practiced dealing with rejection and they improved their social skills. It's nonsense to say that it's impossible.

>>36319042
There is a pretty clear and important difference between natural social intelligence, and rehearsal. People will 100 times out of 100 prefer the natural, and for good reason. Nobody likes rehearsal. It will always be more stilted, more robotic, less believable. And when you encounter things that your rehearsal isn't prepared for, it all falls apart. You can't go from "shy autistic adult shut-in" to "normal guy with friends and family". You can't undo 20+ years of harmful learned behaviors with a fucking YouTube tutorial.

>>36319171
I didn't say follow youtube tutorials, just watch videos of people who made the change you say is impossible if you don't believe me. It's not about rehearsing. You don't go out and say rehearsed lines. Just like a sport or hobby, you learn through doing, failing and doing again. For example you might meet a girl and tell her about your waifu, she will call you a weird fuck and reject you, but you learned that hey, next time I won't bring up fucking a sex pillow. +1 social skills.

>>36316316
KHHV
>never felt intimacy
>disconnected from a collection experiences that others experience every day and that society assumes everyone has been through
>deep-seated feelings of universal rejection
>probably experience depression and become cynical

Rape victim
>have your most private, intimate parts violated by some aggressive, potentially unclean sicko
>have the joy of sex permanently affected
>suffer PTSD
>experience something most people will never know or understand
>constantly be used as a statistic by overweight feminists who claim to have been through the same thing because someone looked at them on a bus
>probably experience agoraphobia and depression or considerably heightened promiscuity in an attempt to rationalise your experience
>be "damaged goods" for the rest of your life
>experience the complete loss of bodily autonomy as you're forced to accept someone else's dominance

Ehh, being a KHHV is bad but I'd take that over being raped desu

>>36319316
And once I've acquired enough social points and learned enough about what NOT to say and realized that I have literally nothing to talk about with anyone, I can silently stare at people all day and be in constant fear of having to open my mouth!

If only I could cash in those points to actually have a personality.

>>36317432
>get rejected by whores
>each no is a crushing blow to your self esteem
>continue to lower standards
>continue to get rejected
>quit with a shred of dignity

This is not the way to go, I've done it.

>>36319705
Learning to accept rejection is the most difficult part and I struggle with it too. I got pretty embarrasingly shut down last night, but I always just think "shit that girl thought I was a fucking loser, but...

>I stay in shape and have good hygiene
>I work hard and support myself
>Going to be going back to school and make decent money in a few years
>I am not a dick to people

So fuck her, she's a stuck up 6/10 bartender and I'm doing well by my OWN standards, so Im not pulling my confidence from what she thinks of me. As a result Im not going to hide in my basement for a month, but instead i'll probably go out again tonight or tomorrow. That is my whole point here about building confidence that comes from yourself, not others.

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>>36319880
>he hit on a bartender

>>36316799
>Implying that being a KHHV is the result of all of society and isn't your own problem or responsibility
>Comparing your self-made trauma to that of rape victims, who have actually been attacked

It is even possible to be this retarded?

>>36316316
>tfw both
rape is worse

>>36319975
Rape is a self made problem. Don't act like a slut.

>>36319975
>DUDE EVERYONE HAS AGENCY OVER EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIFE FROM THE MOMENT THEY ARE HORN LMAO

>>36320250
what about child rape?

rape is worse fo sho

>>36320488
rape isn't even that bad

oooh someone found you attractive how sad