Socialism or Barbarism

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Also, we have qt3.14s of our own.
>Pic related

>>36177282
>You can't find a qt3.14 who just wants to talk to you all day because her survival doesn't depend on how interesting you are, it depends on how well you make money for someone else. The capitalists have even alienated you from human contact and relationships.
This is bullshit. Robots have a better chance of getting an engineering degree and marrying a gold digger than getting a girl to fall in love with them in a high school setting. Girls like funny, attractive, confident, and socially competent guys. That's totally understandable, but some people really aren't any of those things.

That's a facebook filename you piece of shit. You're manipulating robots and using them as pawns to build your utopia. You will never understand how it feels to genuinely believe you'll never have a friend, or go several months without talking to anybody, or walk away from your mom's funeral and know that nobody will ever love you again.

Fuck off. Go back to facebook, reddit, wherever the fuck. You deserve to get torn to shreds.

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>>36177777
Quints of original truth

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>socialism
go the fuck back to /leftypol/ you disgusting worm

lol I'm not reading all that shit

>>36177777
Witnessed

>>36177777
>Implying that I was never a suicidal NEET virgin

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>>36177282
Ok kewl senpai. I a fucking NEET will change the world. Very cool. I'll wait til something happens and I'll hitch along if I feel like it.

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>>36177777
>Marrying a good digger
She'll never love you. She'll say it, but you'll see it when she turns her head. She uses you. She's using you to survive just like you're using her to feel like you're not completely empty I side - a worthless Manlet who had to buy a fake approximation of love.

Is the intersection of NEET and socialist politics inevitable, Or will NEETs continue to believe they must attempt to beat Chad at his own game, instead of upending the rulebook in favor of a world where no one is denied the possibility to reach their full potential?

>>36177888
ye same I'm not getting out of my fucking bed for that shit. Do your thing OP and I'll see if I care enough to join.

Fucking pick up a book. Late stage capitalism that we are all living in was accelerated due to the introduction of a female workforce after WW2. This lead to women gaining purchasing power, more than men eventually, and thus the bourgeois having total reign over our entire lives.
Without capitalism there would be no companies to market useless beauty products to women to try and raise their own self-worth, thus putting down yours as they conflate their ability to buy shit and look pretty to actual humanistic value. Without capitalism there would be no media, especially social media, to influence women into thinking they deserve the 'alpha males' (rich fucks that exploit others). Without capitalism there would be no identity politics. Without capitalism we can achieve a decent society not dominated by who can fuck over who the most.

Think for yourselves. I was a regular on this board for 3 years. Came on it every day. Then i learned the root cause of almost every one of our problems can be traced to capitalism. I'm not free, far from it, but at least I am no longer aimless or hapless anymore in where to direct my own anger- and certainly I have lifted much more of the burden from myself.

>>36177888
>>36177979
Learn some socialist theory and start shitposting about it. Can you muster the motivation to do that?

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>>36178046
>TFW you take the real red pill

>>36177869
Post about how you were a suicidal NEET and how you got out of it.

>>36177943
That sounds brutal, but there's no winning for some of us.

>>36178046
What the fuck is your particular alternative? What about your socialist society will "fix" women?

In all probability a communist state would obliterate family roles because lol critical feminism lol left Hegelian liberation and end up with almost all men turning into old, lonely shits, while most women become spinsters or welfare moms pushing for state operated daycares.

>>36177777
>Girls like funny, attractive, confident, and socially competent guys
Anon, haven't you ever seen a guy who really doesn't seem all that confident, funny, attractive, or socially competent, yet he seems to get girls, just because he fits a certain mold or mindset? I went to an all-boys high school. Some kids were total spergs, but found girls because they were willing to go along with social norms. ie, they cared about sports, they bought the right clothes, listened to the right music, watched the right tv shows, knew the right celebrities. That is the alienating effect of capitalism. Consume, or be left behind by society. Consumption is easy, but it robs us of our autonomy, which is why a lot of robots reject it.

Capitalism has reached a stage where it defines our social relationships. Many things that we use as media for social engagement are sold to us. Think phones, apps, services. The things we are supposed to care about and talk about are also under this umbrella. Breaking free of this twisted consumer culture and forming a new society which allows true individual expression is what communism is at its core.

>>36178194
Robots reject consumerism because their narcissistic defense makes them want to look down on people and because a lot of popular culture is garbage next to its alternatives.

>Breaking free of this twisted consumer culture and forming a new society which allows true individual expression is what communism is at its core.
There will be trends at some level (either equivalent or on a more local basis), and people who look down on them. If you think otherwise you're a fool.

What is true individual expression to you? How can you even identify it if capitalism really prohibits it?

Stop preying on lonely impressionable virgins and trying to indoctrinate them into your weird communist cult.

>>36178175
>What the fuck is your particular alternative?
A stateless, classless, moneyless society in which organized workers control the means of production.
>What about your socialist society will "fix" women?
Removing the brainwashing machine that is capitalism that motivates and tricks them into buying into the "I'm a princess" fairytale that leads to exactly what you described in the final line of your post- which is currently happening in Western society. Oh except for what you would call 'betabux' which would be eliminated as everyone would earn the same amount as the notion of capital and profit are eliminated.

>>36178314
>Robots reject consumerism because a lot of popular culture is garbage next to its alternatives.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

>There will be trends at some level
Sure, but not the degenerate, vapid trends we have as a result of capitalism

>What is true individual expression to you?
Living in a society free from wage labor, where my work truly reflects who I am and my actions aren't constrained by internal or external constructs

>>36178314
Not him but individual expression is limited in a capitalistic society precisely because if you do not choose to """voluntarily""" adapt a wage slave mentality/lifestyle/job you will die or sink into an anti-social, misanthropic mindset that results in the cognitive dissonance of hating the rest of the wage-slaving society while at the same time hating yourself even more for not being able to 'live up to the standard.'
Sound like anyone you know on this board?

>>36177282
>The shareholders shouldn't pick the managers, the workers should!
That's such a shit idea. A manager HAS to do unpopular things sometimes. Capitalism is great. Starting off with nothing is practically impossible, and everyone acts like there is a huge social safety net already it's pretty much the rich that exploit the safety net by proxy of exploiting the poor making it ineffective at helping people and them benefiting off it more. Really fucked up. Capitalism is a great system though when the safeguards and laws and stuff get followed.
Wouldn't of commented but that meme made me laugh. Use to think in my early/mid twenties I thought crisises were not suppose to be normal until you were older fuck if I was wrong

>>36178466
>and everyone acts like there is a huge social safety net already it's pretty much the rich that exploit the safety net by proxy of exploiting the poor making it ineffective at helping people and them benefiting off it more. Really fucked up.
>Capitalism is great.

Anon...

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>>36178175
Had a 140 IQ. Was that kid in high school that didn't do any of the work but aced all the tests to pass with a D. Could have gone to community college for free because of my dad's veterans benefits but didn't care enough. Thought about suicide constantly.

Worked at a book store. Had long hair because I didn't care enough to cut it. My dad convinced me to cut it. Well, didn't really convince me so much as annoy me until I did it to shut him up. The barber fucked it up and I ended up with the golden girls cut.
>pic related

Wanted to an hero but didn't want to leave a mess. Got angry that I didn't have any other options. Joined the Marine Corps just to get away from everything.

Got guaranteed meals, guaranteed housing, free healthcare, free ammo. Shit was good. Started to feel like a person again. Got married. Left the Marine Corps. Got divorced. Fell back into NEET-land.

Foreclosure on the house.
Failed out of college on the GI bill.

Realized that I was alienated from a meaningful existence by the capitalist structure that I'd defended while I was enlisted, and that they kept people defending it by giving that meaningful life TO the people who defend the system that deprives everyone else of it.

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>>36178376
>stateless
>>36178175
>>36178194
>>36178315
>communist

Important to note that all thought on the political left advocates socialism (worker ownership) as a way to eliminate the problems of capitalism, but not all leftists want statelessness or communism.

I'm a fan of market socialism, myself.

Being woke means you can decide which solution fits best, it doesn't mean that you have to immediately start worshipping Stalin and gulag everyone.

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>>36178463
>Sound like anyone you know on this board?

Jesus, anon. Direct hit.

>>36178376
Women will continue to think they're princesses as long as there are dating apps.

Anyways, men are dropping out socially, not just romantically. They're becoming timid and isolated because civil social structures like churches are collapsing while the internet and video games make isolation more tolerable.

>>36178446
>Sure, but not the degenerate, vapid trends we have as a result of capitalism
Are 4chan memes really that much better than HBO dramas? There will be retardation either way.

>where my work truly reflects who I am
There are a lot of necessary jobs, like trades, that absolutely nobody will do voluntarily and that reflect no personality whatsoever. Creative work will involve a tiny proportion of labor either way, and if you want to make something that reflects you, you spend almost all your time doing so. In fact, you're doing it right now.

>>36178463
A lot of robots who become NEETs are high school drop outs who can't interact with people or interview well, or they're depressives who can't bring themselves to do anything. It's not alienating capitalist positions, it's that literally anything is expected of them at all.

>>36177282
Holy shit I'm subbed to you on YouTube. Your shitposting is god tier comrade

>>36178971
>Youtube

I don't have a Youtube. But now I wanna see who this is that you think is me.

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>>36178984
You both use the same phrases and use images of the same commnie women

>>36179049
Concurrent development. Never seen them before.

But now I'm going to go watch the fuck out of it.

>>36177282
>capitalism
Autistic robots can make up for their beta-ness and get rich to become more socially valuable.

>communism
Autistic robots are worth less than nothing and have no potential to ever advance their status.

Really makes you think who is behind these threads, shekelberg

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>>36179104
>Sees a criticism of capitalism
>Deflects to MUH GREAT JEWISH CONSPIRACY

I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>36179073
Make sure to check out bat'ko the manarchist and /leftypol/ videos while your at it. They're some comfy dudes

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Explain this commies

>>36179430
>Produce too much food
>Food price collapses
>Company goes out of business
>No food next year
>People starve

The US literally bought and burned crops, and slaughtered livestock, while people were starving during the Great Depression because it was the only way to avoid the food production sector going out of business.

Explain that, porky.

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>>36179471
>commie using famine as an argument against capitalism
Do you see the irony here?

>>36179504
>implying socialism = communism

Nigga, are you this retarded on purpose?

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>>36179557
You're all commies to me

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>>36179611
Your willing ignorance is not a valid argument.

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>>36179643
>Entrepreneur invests a shit load of money and time into creating a company
>The people he hires don't get paid exactly how much they contribute or make for the company therefore it's immoral
Capitalism is a flawed system but I'd take it over something that has failed or under-performed in comparison to capitalism every time it was tried.

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>tfw no empathetic fascist bf

>>36179790
>The capitalist makes money by having money
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>>36178727
>Women will continue to think they're princesses as long as there are dating apps.
Dating apps are the prime example of capitalism invading society, in this case natural courting. By bombarding women with options, with the only quality being a half-second look at a picture, they are degrading the experience of getting to know someone romantically and developing a relationship.
Hook up culture is capitalist culture.
>Anyways, men are dropping out socially, not just romantically. They're becoming timid and isolated because civil social structures like churches are collapsing while the internet and video games make isolation more tolerable.
Churches are meaningless in a classless and stateless society. I implore you to read God and the State, it's very short and explains why and how organized religion is detrimental for humanity.
The true civil social structure is that which connects us all, in that we are all workers. Nothing more, especially not exclusionary organizations such as churches, is needed once we realize a mode of economy which gives the workers autonomy.
Media (internet, video games, TV, whatever you want to call it) is created to separate us from reality in capitalism. But you and everyone else here already knows that the internet and video games don't make isolation more tolerable. It's a living hell regardless.

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>>36179471
>>36179471
>company goes out of business
>there is literally only ONE food production company in the country
>nobody can rise to fill the vacuum
>nobody can buy the assets off of the failing company
>welp guess we gotta starve for the sake of this shitty example

>>36178727

>A lot of robots who become NEETs are high school drop outs
Products of an underfunded and pathetically inadequate system that seeks to create complacent consumers, not anything new

>who can't interact with people or interview well
In terms of marketing themselves? Why should they have to?

>or they're depressives who can't bring themselves to do anything.
They should be helped, then, not left to rot as they are now.

>It's not alienating capitalist positions, it's that literally anything is expected of them at all.
Since they are some of the most disenfranchised and punished by capitalist society, I don't see how this isn't a natural outcome.

How can you expect to be mentally healthy and happy in a sick society?

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>>36179832
>guy who has spent the last 10 years of his career saving up money and investing intelligently so he can start a company
>spends money to create the company (high risk high reward)
>creates a service or product other people need
>creates jobs
>gets rewarded as a result giving an incentive for people to contribute to society
>hehe he just makes money by having money

>>36179942
>guy is on the verge of starvation
>has to take whatever job comes along
>capitalist works him 14 hours a day and pays him just barely enough to avoid starving
>pretends he isn't just renting a slave

>>36179942
This isn't how real life works. Most new businesses fucking fail; the splucky entrepreneur who thought he'd make it big is just reduced to another wageslave for the bank, since he is the one who pays interest to them on the loans they give him and they are the ones who the assets go to when the business goes bankrupt. The reality of Capitalism is the rich making money because of the money they have; the miracle cases where a guy rises from poverty, creates a successful business, and dies rich is as realistic and common as a serf becoming a knight or a serf becoming a plantation owner; the myth of social mobility is needed for people to believe in the system, so that they'll accept being kicked because they believe they'll wear the boot someday.

The vast majority of people are born to wageslave and will wageslave the majority of their waking hours for the majority of their life until they fuck off once they get too old and slowly wait to die.

>>36180047
Same reason the casino lets some people win.
If everybody always loses, people stop playing.
That's the only way the house loses.

>>36180010
Sounds like the third world or some dystopian delusion
>>36180047
Not everyone needs to be an entrepreneur, some people get an education and some people have to work at some factory. Either way these jobs would need to be done by somebody and money creates an incentive to be productive.
Is your suggestion that we all just live in some wonderland where no one has to work because that's how you want it and we just indulge in all the pleasures of the world?
The world is an unfair unequal place and you can spend your entire life crying about it and dreaming of some kind of utopia or sucking it up and sorting yourself out.

>>36180141
>That could only happen in the third world
>Corporations outsource jobs to the third world by the millions

NO SHIT, ANON!

>>36180174
I agree that third world exploitation is wrong but that's still not a valid argument for why we need socialism in the west.

>>36180286
Because it doesn't exist without third world exploitation, taxpayer bailouts, and the welfare state indirectly subsidizing the world's largest corporations.

If it weren't for all of that babyback bullshit, it would have collapsed a long time ago.

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>>36180321
>If it weren't for all of that babyback bullshit, it would have collapsed a long time ago.
Who knows and who can say that socialism would perform any better as history shows otherwise. I'm going to sleep now, good night anon.

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>>36179790
>Entrepreneurs get rewarded under capitalism

Non market socialism empowers Chad even more. At least under capitalism I can buy a prostitute. Maybe even get a mail order bride from the phillipines. under communism I wouldn't even be able to do that Chad would simply morph into hyper Chad without the equalizer of money.

Communists are fucking delusional.

>>36180480
>OP says he's a market socialist
>BUT NONMARKET SOCIALISM IS BAD SO OP IS WRONG

wew

>>36177282
OP, that was a good read and actually well-developed. You should make this a copypasta

What does /leftypol/ think about strasserists?

>>36180493
I fail to see how a market socialist system revolving around coops that don't even really compete with each other would be different in any meaningful way. It's all bullshit. Leftists are always hyper neurotypical normalfags who think society should be structured about how well they manipulate people. Market socialism is just office politics on steroids applied society wide and nobody can even get lucky by winning the lotto

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Ayy le mao
Oregano

>>36180526
I think you mean Asserists

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>>36180606
The competitiveness on the market would be great if the demand and production capabilities were unlimited.

Usually for competition, there is a number of companies in the same area of production, and let's say the demand for their goods is limited by the number of people on earth.

With production capabilities rising due to investment, the theoretical maximum is selling to all people, because there is no one else who would buy.

If it is easy for multiple companies to get to this point, then the conclusion of the market competitiveness is to drive other companies out of business. There is no other way to make profit, since the buyer's demand has a limit.

The money and profit are the only drives behind the market competition. Any innovation pushed by business is merely a result of trying to work around the limitations on the demand side, since the supply with its assembly line and automation seems to be ever-growing. The buyers not so much, unless you can make them desire more somehow.

But not actual things that would improve their lives, like more free time to think and not work or anaesthetize themselves with media, entertainment, alcohol, cigarettes, and for some porn. With actual time to read books and think, more people are beginning to see through the bullshit that is being presented to us as normal.

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>>36178046
After having read just the first book of the Gulag Archipelago I know for a fact socialism is not any better. But yes, the current capitalistic system we have sucks. Life just sucks in general desu.

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>>36180913
For your next read, try Elementary principles of Philosophy by Georges Politzer, or if you are into longer books, Fundamentals of Philosophy by Alexander Spirkin. Both are on libgen. Ask /sci/ about libgen if you do not know what it is. (Library genesis, an ebook site)

Those kinds of books serve mostly to put things in perspective. And to make you a bit optimistics about life in general.

Gulag Archipelago is an accusation of a system where something went wrong. The real question is why it happened and how to prevent anything like this from happening.

And also, the US prison labour is not that different from gulags. The difference is that US prisons are much harder on security and the huts built in taiga just do not satisfy that requirement.

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>>36180630
Ya got me. You found out that I only came here and talked about how robots should be lefties because I actually think robots should be lefties.

Game over, I guess. I'll never recover from people finding out that my real motivation matches my statements.

>>36177282
This is not /pol/. Fuck off.

not original lol