>tfw we're raised to believe there are objective values

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>>36048747
>abandons the concept of objective values
>embraces moral relativism
>wonders why they're miserable
These things are related, anon. You fight nature, and you'll find yourself in a miserable place.

Anon, are you here?

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>>36048932
The point is that none human advances are based on nature anymore

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>>36048747
just wait until you go back to objective values and you realize those objective values have been abandoned by everyone else

wait so everything exists in relativity?

>>36048932
wow, conservatives BELIEVE there are objective morals
That MUST make it true

Do you actually have an argument against moral relativism that isn't predicated on emotion but rather logic?

>>36048747
It's easier that way.

>>36049132
Yes.

>>36049199

There isnt. Nothing has any inherent value. Value is added by the observer, it is by definition subjective. But it should go without saying that such a worldview is impossible to apply to reality as you are a human and subconsciouly add value to things. Values and principles are important, its the only thing that seperates us from animals and allows us to live in relative peace.

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>>36049132
Well it's not purely relative because there are limitations of perception because of your mind or human body in general

Though that experience differs so much (we call it qualia in philosophy) it's hard to say that it isn't relative

Even mind as a concept is relative

>>36048747
There are objective values. If you haven't killed yourself, then you believe that existence is valuable. If you do anything, then you believe that autonomy is valuable. If you think about something, then you believe understanding is valuable. If you believe something, then you believe truth is valuable. Value is about what you act on, and there are some things which everyone necessarily values just by existing.

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>>36050164
Well, it is the basis thesis

It's better to be than not to be

It is purely biological - our cells want to exist, there's something that we call the will to live

idk where it comes from honestly
Any ideas anons?