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>be handsome and charismatic law student >drive around

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>be handsome and charismatic law student
>drive around the US in a busted brown Volkswagen Beetle with the front seat removed to make it easier to kidnap folks
>rape and kill 60+ women and 1 man (according to his lawyer)
>decapitate them and still fuck the corpse up to a month after they died
>get away with it for years
>have a foot fetish for own feet, own hundreds of pairs of socks
>even writing studies and articles about the abuse of women for one of his jobs
>be close friends with governors and other high ranking members of the republican party
>get arrested, cops find a rape kit in car
>governors vouch and give a good character reference, convincing the police they've got the wrong guy
>continue murder spree
>finally get caught later due to being careless
>escape from maximum security prison twice using only cunning and wit
>represent self in coming trial because law student
>despite all the above, literally thousands of women write love letters while in jail
>gets married in jail
>is still extremely likeable
>even the judge who sentenced him to death: "Take care of yourself, young man. I say that to you sincerely; take care of yourself, please. It is an utter tragedy for this court to see such a total waste of humanity as I've experienced in this courtroom. You're a bright young man. You would have made a good lawyer and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner. Take care of yourself. I don't feel any animosity toward you. I want you to know that. Once again, take care of yourself."

Literally what the fuck did they mean by this?
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>>36048640
Who's the most attractive serial killer?
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>>36048640
so did he get executed?
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>>36048661
Probably Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer.
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>>36048696
>not Kenneth Bianchi
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>>36048664
Yeah, but years later. By that point, he probably wanted to die since he was not free. Also, the only reason he got sentenced to death was because he defended himself. At one point during the trial he fired all of his legal team and from then on, he knew he was dead. He pretty much chose to die.
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>>36048696
Elliot Rodger
This post is very original
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>>36048759
spree killer =/= serial killer
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>>36048759
Elliot Rodger was a pleb. He did what he did out of desperation and loneliness. The other serial killers posted in this thread are a different breed. They killed over a longer period of time and kept getting away with it, but they also killed out of power and with confidence, not desperation.
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>>36048640
They need to study whether or not serial killers make pheromones or something. I think there's some chemosignal they're emitting and it makes it easy to tric people
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Let's say I'm a tall, confident, educated man who's also /fit/ and very social and charismatic.

If I was to become a serial killer/rapist and just eventually got caught after countless murders and rapes, would women still like me on social media and shit?
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Picture taken unknowingly by a stranger of Bundy sitting in his car on the day of the lake Sammamish kidnapping and murders. He kidnapped two women separately and made one watch while he fucked and killed the other one.
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>>36048795
Most serial killers are nothing like Bundy. Average serial killer is ugly filthy and probably has a serious drug or alcohol habit. Average IQ for an organized serial kill is double digit
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>>36048834

You would be more attractive to women as they love the whole dark triad thing.
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>>36048828
The detectives in the Bundy case made a point that pretty much all of the women Bundy kidnapped went with a smile on their face. He usually conned them into believing him and following him, etc. Sometimes he'd wear a cast on his arm of feign disability so they'd trust him. In one case he even dropped books clumsily in front of a girl and pretended to be like the stereotypical nerdy kid, lmao.
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He didn't escape from prison, he escaped from jail twice while on trial/awaiting trial. Not as impressive.
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>>36048834
Yes. The Boston Bomber has a bunch of fangirls simply because he's really cute-looking. Also, Bundy had tons of bitches. Even after his crimes are well known.

That's women for you. They claim they want a nice, caring good-natured man but will find MURDERERS sexually appealing if their handsome and confident enough

Also, rapists and killers have a power trip thing, which secretly turns women on because they love being dominated.
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>>36048924
So women only think rape is bad if the rapist is unattractive and gross?
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>>36048966
Pretty much, yes. Many women feel a connection with their rapists anyway and this is has been shown time and time again. It's the other women who wouldn't care though. Many celebrities, etc, have been convicted of rape and chicks still love them. Even "unattractive" ones like Tyson, etc still get tons of chicks.
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>>36048966

Yes, or if the Chad demeans and humiliates them in public after having fucked and lost interest
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>>36048640
It literally doesn't matter if you're the most despicable man in America as long as you're handsome.
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Looks matter
it doesn't matter how evil or horrible a person is, if that person is handsome/beautiful and somewhat charismatic people will care about them
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>>36048924
>because he's really cute-looking
I don't understand, he looks like a shitskin with a big nose?
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>>36048993
Many celebrities have been convicted of rape
lol yeah ok
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>>36049191
He looks kinda like an paki Nick Jonas, which is what turns women on, I guess.
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/special-features/in-depth/lonely-place-to-die/news-story/27cc0c739db390f2e8bd08daadf8b01c

is he /ourguy/?
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>>36048640
>ywn break into sorrorities to rape and beat the inhabitants
>ywn snatch women in broad daylight
>no one would ever suspect anon, his arm is always in that cast!
The movie about him had some good music, too
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>>36049138
This. I'm actually a convicted rapist. Not even memeing right now. I also have 2 other separate felonies. One violent agg felony and one illegal possession of a firearm.

I currently have a 8/10 gf and I also have a 7/10 fwb. Also, a lot of girls flirt with me because I'm a 8/10 (according to soc) and I'm very fit. I'm also a registered sex offender and people know this. I've told girls this and they still want me.

>inb4 ree

will post pic if anyone is interested in seeing what a rapist looks like
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>>36049203
Are you implying they haven't?
http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-people-charged-with-sex-crimes/celebrity-lists
And that's just one 2 second search on google, you pleb fuck
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>>36048759
Elliot Rodger was an ugly hapa and a failure of a killer
>A
>Fucking
>Door
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>>36049323
Was it statutory rape?
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>>36048834
Yes, even Dylann Roof has a following on tumblr believe it or not
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>>36049323
Do it anon. Post a very original picture of you as a very original rapist
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>>36049391
One door got in the way of him making the world just a little bit better, One door, saddest thing in the world.
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>>36049414
Nope. It was legitimate rape. I was 21 and she was 19. In fact, she wasn't even going to call the cops on me after I forced myself on her. I'm guessing because she secretly liked it since I'm pretty hot.

The only reason she reported me for rape was because I started beating her up a afterwards, so she called the cops and I got the book thrown at me for aggravated sexual assault.

It's all about looks, son.
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>>36049492
While your post is somewhat accurate
>being a convicted rapist
You fucked up, son
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>>36048661
Richard Ramirez

He was fucking lame tho, just a druggy edgelord
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>>36049470
All it means is that he a retard who didn't even anticipate the obvious
Shooters tend to not really have a clear plan anyway. Breivik is an exception but even he fucked up yet still got an impressive score. Most successful mass murderers just find people in high concentration in a small area and manage to lock them in.
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>>36049191
Cute hair cute lips nice jaw nice skin and big noses are ok men
He's pretty
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That's not even the craziest part.

HE HAD FEMALE ORBITERS

AND THEY FATHERED CHILDREN WITH HIM

THIS IS THE EXTENT OF CHAD PRIVILEGE.
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>>36049591

>women will gladly have children with a serial killer who raped and killed women exclusively
>women won't have sex with you because you're a few inches too short
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>>36049591
>Not being able to read
Read OP's post again.
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>>36049591
Bundy was a Robot in high school though and his early uni years. He pined after his oneitis and when she dumped him, he became severely depressed. Some criminologists believe that was what drove him to kill.

He's like a Robot resurrected from the fire into a chad for the sole purpose of killing roasties.

Also everyone who is interested in Bundy should read pic related. It completely shits on Ann Rules overrated garbage.
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>>36048661
there is only one answer, although ted is number tow
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Elliot Rogers actually has fangirls

The supreme fucking gentleman
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>>36049332
Charged not convicted dipshit
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>>36049759
>that guy
>handsome
You're on drugs I take it? He looks like a greasy spic.
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>>36048924
Man, I'm a dude and I would be down to fuck sapient monster girls. Like not that anime weeb shit but straight up non humanoid abominations straight from Lovecraft. It could kill people I don't give a fuck, but I hardly consider that to be the rule of all guys.
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>>36049793
Many have been convicted, you fucking autist.
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>>36049879
>t. 0 testosterone beta male
You've played too many video games
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>>36049889
Like who dumbass?
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>>36049879
thanks for reminding me to visit /aco/'s xeno and nightmare waifu threads
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>All women secretly want a psychopathic killer as their bf
>Him murdering women and children only turns her on more
> The more callous he appears the more women flock to him
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>>36049906
High sex drive and the urge to fuck just about any sapient female is emblematic of high testosterone, dumbass. Not high intelligence or standards, but high testosterone.
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>>36049977
>wants to fuck sapient monster girls, humanoid abominations straight from Lovecraft
>thinks it's because of high testosterone
Lmao, keep telling yourself that.
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>>36049940
Redpillers are nothing but posers. They mimic the behavior of alpha males but with an air of "W-Women don't want evil-doers!! Just cool guys!".

The blackpill is the understanding that women love evil men. Sorry, but that's reality. Because men who are evil by modern standards were people to be admired 10,000 years ago. Female biology has not caught up yet. They still view arrogant, violent, selfish, disloyal brutes as "the silverback".
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>>36049914
Find them yourself, retard. I couldn't give a fuck if you believe it or not
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>>36050105
It's not that you're not evil. It's just that you're completely beta.
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>>36050004
He's kinda right. People with high testosterone are not only more aggressive but also sexually voracious. Weirdly enough though it's been discovered that people with high testosterone tell the truth more often, but people with low testosterone are bigger liars.
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>>36050109
Listen little man, anyone can accuse someone of rape, but actually being convicted is another story
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>>36050141
Liberal men on average have low testosterone levels and tend to flee from confrontation
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>>36050161
I'm not saying that wasn't the case. Read my post again.
My point was: The guy who posted doesn't want to fuck weird shit because he's high test, but because he's a fucking freak who has played games and watched cartoons for too long.
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>>36050175
>Listen little man
Spotted the virgin larper
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>>36048924
women are creatures severely fucked up in the head
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>>36049867
He was a greasy spic
But a hot one
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>>36050197
Projecting a little hard there, anon?

You have no idea what his reasons for liking monster girls is.
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>>36050161
>Weirdly enough though it's been discovered that people with high testosterone tell the truth more often, but people with low testosterone are bigger liars.
I've seen that study, but I've also seen another study that says the opposite, that high test men lie more.
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>>36050247
>projecting
Oh it's that buzz word again that people use when they've been found out
Try again
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>>36048900
L M A O

M

A

O

Those stacy roasts deserved it
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>>36050295
Not even that anon. Just asking. Haha oh wew lad. Do you even know the reasons he likes monster girls?
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>>36050271
I lean towards the former. Gray matter (more common in male brains) is associated with honesty just like testosterone.
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>>36050247
Seriously, I want to fuck monstergirls because they have no inkling of human nature and as such, no human female tendencies

Same thing with aliens, dude, I'll sink it into anything so long as it's not human
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>>36050271
>>36050161
It's probably that the men with the Dark Triad personality lie more (they do) and they're probably also high test, but the men who aren't Dark Triad personality and are just high test tell the truth more.
For example:

>Bundy = Dark Triad, probably high test -- lies constantly
>*insert name* = Not Dark Triad, high test - Tells the truth constantly
Think of it in terms of like in movies where there is a clear good guy, and a clear bad guy... both are very similar, almost identical with only a few things that separate them.
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>>36050367
Projectors gonna project. Don't worry anon. I may not share your fetishes, but I don't look down on you for it.
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>>36050354
No, but since he is posting on r9k and has strange cartoon monster pictures saved onto his hard drive, and brought it up in the first place in a thread that has no relevance to it, I made an educated guess.
That's not projection
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>>36050384
what is dark triad
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>>36050401
see>>36050384

>>36050367
Wow, so edgy bro! I bet you're, like, super intelligent too? Too smart for people, eh? Aliens? Might that be because no human female is remotely attracted to you? I think so ;)
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>>36048640

>Judge Edward Cohert was known for frequent biblical quotations in the courtroom.

Ahh simpler times, simpler people
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>>36050456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
orig
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>>36050463
>he's still replying
It's not normal to get this buttblasted just because someone on the internet likes jacking off to weird shit
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>>36050501
Only when ugly virgins claim they like to fuck cartoon monsters because they're "high testosterone", when in reality, it's because they're so dejected they've turned to strange shit out of nothing but desperation
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>>36050554
I don't remember him ever stating that he was high-test for liking weird shit. He just said it was common for high-test people to be more sexual on stuff, that is all

You truly got your panties into a bunch over this, anon? It's just someone else's masturbating preferences. Who cares about it?

Why would an ugly virgin make you so mad anyways?
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>>36050463
>b-bet it's cuz no girls like u!! lolol
>on /r9k/
grrrr you memed me so dank, family guy
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>>36050624
>Implying i'm mad
Little sensitive aren't you?

>>36050632
It's true though isn't it?
Also, dank? Kill yourself
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>>36050670
I dunno, anon. You sound pretty mad. I'm the sensitive one, you say? I don't remember getting mad at virgins because they jack off to weird shit.

Calm down. He's gonna jack off to weird shit regardless of the reasons anyways. If he's deluded or not, what should it matter to you?

sounds like an awful lot of projection
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Lol faggot got BTFO'd. Monstergirls are top-tier.
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>>36050715
You're still implying I'm mad
>Not being able to read
Didn't even bother to read the rest
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>>36050870
>still replying
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>>36050893
>still a virgin neet fat fuck
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>>36051014
>calling someone a virgin neet fat fuck on /r9k/
>getting this mad and desperate
>on /r9k/
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>>36051082
I've posted on r9k on and off since like 2012 and I've fucked more than 100 women despite being only 21.
Meanwhile, you post cartoons and call people "mad" or "projecting" for blowing you the fuck out

Good luck in life mate. You've already lost
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>>36051082
Shut the fuck up already. You can reply to all the posts you want, but in real life I bet your beta ass would cower in fear. I would beat the fuck out of you if I ever met you. Now go back to replying to my posts in mommy's basement.
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>>36051117
>>36051126
huh?

oh, ok
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>>36051117
>>36051126
>i fucked way more women than you
>i would beat your ass irl

I feel like I'm commenting on youtube. Thanks for the 2 (yous) by the way.
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>>36051158
>>36051177
>implying the second poster is me and not you trying to sabotage
Nah mate.
I have fucked more women than you though, and I'm probably all around better than you. It is what it is.

Keep posting cartoons though
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>>36051177
>>36051158
>>36051126

samefag lol
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Cunts are hypocritical shitbags.

They fall head over heels for these beta-ass douchebag serial killers while being complete cunts to genocidal psychos who are actually hardcore like good old Hitler, Captain-General Augusto Pinochet Ugarte, or General Ratko Mladic.

This is BULLSHIT.
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>>36051225
>trying to say because you fucked more women youre better than anyone

Where do you think you are, Retard?
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>>36051270
>beta-ass douchebag serial killers
This doesn't make any sense anon

>cunts to genocidal psychos who are actually hardcore like good old Hitler
You do realise that literally thousands of women were throwing themselves at Hitler? And same for the rest probably
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>>36051225
ok mate dawg bro
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>>36051288
>I'm posting on one of the most popular image boards in the world, where billionaires have been confirmed for posting on, but everyone has to be a loser just like me!!!!!
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>>36051225
>I have fucked more women than you though, and I'm probably all around better than you. It is what it is.

>he has to come to 4chan to feel better about himself
>accuses me of samefagging when he's BTFO'd
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>>36051315
What about the men who actually carry out the genocide? They get JACK SHIT.

I saw a video once about an ex khmer rouge executioner who killed hundreds of people including children who died a virgin.
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>>36051288
>>36051327
>>36051355
obvious samefag
the virgin is bitter
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>>36051366
>What about the men who actually carry out the genocide? They get JACK SHIT.
Wrong again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amon_G%C3%B6th
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>>36051367
>bitter virgin waaaaah
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>>36051397
>what is inspect element
Nice try retard, but your image names give it away.
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>>36051414
Whatever helps you sleep originally at night, m8.
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>>36051438
>virgin beta still posting cartoons
you've been blow the fuck out repeatedly lad, it's time to turn your computer off for a while, sign up to the gym or something yeah?
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>>36051482
I'll post cartoons all day m8. Meanwhile you can keep getting mad and telling us how successful you are in life.
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>>36051523
Meh you're boring me
Enjoy lifelong mediocrity mate
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>>36051545
No problem. Sorry that I got you so mad. Just clownin on the internet.
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The dark triad is narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

That explains Ted Bundy's skills with women. Many psychopaths are very charismastic. They lack empathy, so they don't care about others' well-being or what they're feeling. But they learn methods to manipulate people to do what they want, like with charisma. Psychopaths treat other people as tools to be used & discarded, much like women do.

>despite all the above, literally thousands of women write love letters while in jail

Not despite. Because. Women are turned on by violent killers, warriors, men with a killer instinct, hunters. Alpha males in the wild are the most dominant killers. In a pack of wolves, if an alpha is challenged, and he can defeat the challenger in a fight, he remains alpha. An older alpha is even more alpha.

>Leon F. Seltzer said
>Serial killers, in his view, are cases of alpha males that tend to attract women. This is because such males were good at protecting women and their offspring in our evolutionary history. Women nowadays may consciously realize that it is unwise to date a serial killer, but they are nevertheless attracted to them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia
>Hybristophilia is a paraphilia in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, cheating, lying, known infidelities or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery.

>One of the most infamous examples of hybristophilia is the large number of women attracted to Ted Bundy after his arrest. He often drew scores of women at the jammed courtrooms of his trials each day. Bundy allegedly received hundreds of love letters from women while he was incarcerated.

Also see women who sent James Holmes thousands of letters in prison
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/james-holmes-fan-mail-reveals-sick-fixatation-killer-article-1.2356103
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>>36048661
>Who's the most attractive serial killer?

All of them. Women are attracted to all of them. They thrill them.

Women are fucked up.
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>>36051954
Elliot Rodger didn't get no pussy.
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>>36048795

Doesn't matter. A virgin who goes on a killing spree is immediately more attractive to females. If they die at the end, that definitely puts an end to things, but if Elliot Rodger was in jail, he would get love letters from horny women and that's a fucking fact about women that not enough people want to acknowledge.

In fact, that's one reason virgins may just "snap" one day.

Evolution has selected for violent males.
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>>36048640
Proof that the halo effect is real.If he was ugly he nobody would give a fuck.
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Can someone explain why Ted Bundy was not slowly tortured to death? Or why not a single one of the male family members of the 30+ women he raped, murdered and then violated the corpses of did a single damn thing about it as he sat comfortably in a death row cell for years getting married and giving interviews to the press?

Why is everyone in the world so fucking cucked?
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>>36048828

Psychopaths are the best conmen. They manipulate people, gain their confidence. Which is also by psychopaths excel as salespeople.

Psychopaths lack empathy, which is also why they excel in business. They can focus purely on profit, and empathy never factors into their business decisions, because empathy never factors into their decisions.

Psychopaths learn to manipulate people from their childhood on. They focus on figuring out ways to get other people to do what they want.

For example, many times Ted Bundy pretended to have a broken arm to make women feel sympathy for them. Then they've get in his car, he'd drive her off into the middle of nowhere, and rape her and kill her.

SJWs are even similar to psychopaths in that they play the victim in order to garner sympathy in order to manipulate them.
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>>36048696
Dahmer only looks good with a beard, cheap way out.
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>>36052089
Human rights buddy. If you don't like it, feel free to go live in China or Turkey.
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>>36052013
>A virgin who goes on a killing spree is immediately more attractive to females.
Wrong. Mr. Cucklord

If you're an alpha, confident person, you will still be an alpha, confident person if you're a serial killer. It'll just be hotter 'cause you're "dark,"

If a beta faggot becomes a serial killer, he'll just be a serial killing beta faggot. Not more attractive to women at all. Elliot wouldn't have got any letters.

It's like how if hot guys are weird, they're "eccentric" but if an ugly guy is weird, they're "creepy,"
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>>36048834
>If I was to become a serial killer/rapist and just eventually got caught after countless murders and rapes, would women still like me on social media and shit?

Yes of course.

It's shocking that people still need to ask this in this day and age.

Everybody should know by know that women are turned on by serial killers and murderers and violent psychopaths because violence turns women on, an alpha male is a violent dominant killer male.

That's like asking
>If a male cat became a serial killer/rapist and eventually got caught after countless murders and rapes, would female cats still want to get fucked by him?

Yes, that is exactly who they want to fuck. A woman doesn't want the genes of a wimp, a wallflower. A woman wants the genes of a dominant killer. Which is why I would bet almost no men in prison for murder are virgins. The virgins are outside prison.
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>>36052138
Yeah feels good to be civilized. If my daughter got tortured to death, raped, murdered, her corpse violated like a fuck doll multiple times for weeks, I'd just sit with my dick in my hands too while the guy who admitted to doing it ate three square a day on my dime for years. Feels good to be above such petty animalistic concepts of revenge the third worlders have.
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>>36051914
>>36052099
>I watched a lot of movies

most of them are not the master manipulators you think they are.
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>>36052207
Yup, you would just sit there with your dick in your hands doing nothing if you actually had a daughter and she was raped by Ted Bundy.

Tf you gonna do? Break him out of prison then kill him?
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>>36048866
>Average serial killer is ugly filthy and probably has a serious drug or alcohol habit.

Yet women are still turned on by them. Most men are uglier than women anyway. It's his violent acts that turn women on, women get turned on by danger. But her pussy is her safety net, if she lets him fuck her, maybe he won't kill her. Plus, women often like guys with access to drugs and alcohol, because "girls just wanna have fun."

Recently there was a story about a serial killer named Todd Koehlhepp, who kept a woman in a shipping container or something, her name was Kala Brown. She spoke to Dr. Phil, and do you know how she survived? She said he raped her twice a day, but she knew he wouldn't kill her, "because he wanted me."

>Average IQ for an organized serial kill is double digit

Also another pro when it comes to picking up women. Women prefer dumb men over smart men. There's a reason that females in high school generally prefer dumb jucks over smart nerds.

Jocks display alpha traits. Serial killers display alpha traits.
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>>36052207
It doesn't have to feel good to be right. And I'm not saying this as someone who gets off of having the "moral high ground". I just think Western Civilization does it right.
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>>36048661
Shipgod
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>>36052244
Not everyone is as much of a powerless cuckold as you are.

>>36052263
It goes against everything that is "right" in the world.
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>>36052251
You have some stuff right, but a lot of the shit you say is just plain retarded.
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>>36052298
>Not everyone is as much of a powerless cuckold as you are.
Lol then tell me what you'd do if the man who raped your daughter was on trial? Tell me, Mr. all powerful revenge master.
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>>36052298
That's how you feel. But rejecting the "eye for an eye" approach has done far more good than you think.
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>>36052298
t. Powerless cuckold
You would have done nothing to Bundy because there is nothing you could have done. Life isn't a video game or movie, you fucking autist. What are you gonna do? Break into jail and kill him? What then?
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>>36048924
>They claim they want a nice, caring good-natured man but will find MURDERERS sexually appealing if their handsome and confident enough
>rapists and killers have a power trip thing, which secretly turns women on because they love being dominated

True. For hookups, women are turned on by the most alpha men. To raise an alpha's kids, women would like a nice beta who won't kill her kids.

The truth about female desire: It's base, animalistic and ravenous
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/02/the_truth_about_female_desire_its_base_animalistic_and_ravenous/

Every man should read What Do Women Want? by Daniel Bergner, based on studies of what turns women on. And forget everything any adult woman has ever told him.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/05/what-do-women-want-extract
>How to explain the conflict between what the women claimed and what their genitals said?

>As they enrolled in the study, Chivers' subjects identified themselves as straight or lesbian. They were shown images of sex between men and women, women and women, men and men, and a pair of bonobos (a species of ape). The subjects, straight and lesbian, were turned on right away by all of it, including the copulating apes. While they watched, they also held a keypad on which they rated their own feelings of arousal. So Chivers had physiological and self-reported scores. They hardly matched at all. Chivers' objective numbers, tracking what's technically called vaginal pulse amplitude, soared no matter who was on screen and regardless of what they were doing, to each other, to themselves. The keypad contradicted the plethysmograph entirely. The self-reports announced indifference to the bonobos. But that was only for starters. When the films were of women touching themselves or enmeshed with each other, the straight subjects said they were a lot less excited than their genitals declared. During the segments of gay male sex, the ratings of heterosexual women were even more muted.
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>>36052355
Nothing good has come from it. America has a massive crime issue because we let people get a slap on the wrist for violent crimes and then they're just released back into society to fuck things up.

>>36052357
>>36052330
I would kill him. It's very simple. Why do cucks masturbate to their own powerlessness? Does the idea of someone getting away with rape and murder turn you on?
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>>36050364
High testosterone is also associated with autism and autists can't lie.
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>>36052427
>I would kill him.
Wow. Easy, huh? Just killing a man who is locked up in maximum security? How do you plan about that?
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>>36052427
>I would kill him. It's very simple
I'm asking HOW, you fucking retard. You're the only cuck here. You have no clue
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>>36052140
I know a 50 year old balding, semi-ugly guy who keeps fucking 18 year olds, and has a whole harem of women, he isnt even rich, looks uglier than james gandolfini.

He has something called "pondus" here, very charismatic, very manipulative against women, he often shares wine & whisky with me and talk about wordly things, well read like crazy altough some things sounds good but he is off about it. Very likeable guy, borrow his tiny forest cabin whenever i want because helped him move furniture.

Old people shouldnt be able to slay so much pussy as he does unless they are really rich, he is not.
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>>36052427
>implying you wouldn't shit your pants if Ted Bundy in his prime was right in front of you, unrestrained and ready to kill you
>implying Ted Bundy wouldn't just beat the shit out of you and kill you/rape your family and force you to watch

It's like you guys think these guys are pussies that you could easily take on.
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>>36052427
>America has a massive crime issue because we let people get a slap on the wrist for violent crimes and then they're just released back into society to fuck things up.

Oh yeah, right. Meanwhile European countries have very low crime because they have the death penalty. Oh wait...

America has a nigger/spic/gang problem.
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>>36048966
>So women only think rape is bad if the rapist is unattractive and gross?

Pretty much.

Theoretically, women think rape is bad. Culturally, women say rape is bad. No woman wants to be raped by an ugly guy. In her mind, it lowers her value if an ugly guy has sex with her. But if it's the best-looking guy she can think of? Then it wasn't rape. Rape is unwanted sex. Which explains why sex that women later regret is often called "rape" after the fact.

Rape is a demonstration of strength. And if an attractive guy is so attracted to a woman that he can't control himself, then she must be pretty fucking attractive for him to lose control and just rape her.

>A 1974 study by Hariton and Singer[1] found that being "overpowered or forced to surrender" was the second most frequent fantasy in their survey; a 1984 study by Knafo and Jaffe ranked being overpowered as their study's most common fantasy during intercourse. In 1985, Louis H. Janda who is an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University[2] said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women.[3] A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.

>A study of college-age women in 1998 found over half had engaged in fantasies of rape or coercion which, another study claims, are within the normal range of female sexuality.

Female desire and female arousal is a form of sexual narcissism. All eyes on her. "I want you to want me, I need you to need me." That's why women can even be turned on by attractive females, because they wish they had that power of attraction. That power to make a guy lose control and just take her.

Modern women are the descendants of women who used rape as a survival technique against invaders who would raid camps and kill rival men. That is why women fantasize about rape.

Women are fucked up.
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>>36052427
If you ever had a daughter, I wish I could rape her. Just so when I go to trial and see you, I'll look back and smile at you, and watch you write in anger knowing there's nothing you can do to me, despite the fact that you're seething with anger and fantasizing about killing/torturing me

The ultimate cuck.
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>>36052551
You think if we adopted a European style justice system that would solve the nigger problem? Humans respond to incentives. In Europe whites mostly don't commit crimes anyway so whether they have a justice system or some leftist ideological fantasy system is more or less irrelevant and only becomes an issue of outrage when you see Somali refugees raping little girls and getting a few months probation.

The fact is we DO have that problem and we need a fucking solution to it. Meaning real punishment so people don't think they can just get away with the assaults and robberies they serve a few months for.
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>>36048993

Women are very forgiving of their rapists. Here's a guy who was so attracted to her, he just couldn't control himself anymore.

In that way, rape is validating for a woman's ego. If no man would want to rape her, that can crush a woman's ego.

To think that men want to rape you is to be confident in your attractiveness. Meanwhile, if a woman thinks no man wants to touch her, or as women age and become more "invisible" to men, women may get depressed.

Females crave attention. A rapist has been fully captured by a female's power of attraction, and this guy is only paying attention to her, he's not even paying attention to the law. If the rape is in public, he's not even paying attention to possible passersby. Women want to be wanted, and rape is pretty much the most that a guy could want a woman, above anything else.
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>>36052616
Nice cuckolded fantasy. In reality I'd blow your sick brains out the moment you ever got near my house or my family.
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>>36052665
But only if he's handsome!
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>>36052690
But you don't have a family, anon.
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>>36052655
>You think if we adopted a European style justice system that would solve the nigger problem?

Don't put words in my mouth. You said America has a crime problem because we don't punish criminals enough, I proved you wrong.

>Humans respond to incentives.

but the threat of death penalty is not enough, and historically it never has been.

The solution is to get rid of the niggers somehow, improve wealth disparity, and invest in education
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>>36049138

It's not even always about looks. Attitude matters. Behavior matters.

The idea that women don't like evil men is proven false again and again. Women want to marry Charles Manson. Even Hitler had a girlfriend.

Women don't care if their mates behave morally. That's why prison is full of non-virgins. The fact is that violent killers make women wet.

Some have argued that vaginal lubrication evolved to protect females from tearing/blood loss during rape.

But whatever the case, females fantasize about being taken, being overpowered, forced to surrender, etc.

After all, how strong is a male who could not overpower her? He's a weakling, a wimp, a weak male whose genes should go nowhere near her eggs.

No, she gets the most turned on by a male who can overpower her, the stronger the better, the more dominant the better. If a female says she hates strong guys, it would only be due to being insulted by them or humiliated by them or ignored by them in the past.
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>>36049323

I believe all of it. All of that is normal female behavior.

It's sad that generations of males have been brainwashed to think that women want nice men who treat them with respect.

No, she probably wants to be choked during sex.
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>>36052795
>I proved you wrong.

You didn't. You just made an irrelevant comparison to Europe and then strangely undermined your own comparison by acknowledging the different ethnic demographics.

>>36052795
>but the threat of death penalty is not enough, and historically it never has been.

Punishing people brings results. To deny this is to deny basic economics in favor of ideology - people respond to incentives.
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>>36049534
Breivik was more of a terrorist, like McVeigh, than a spree killer. Spree killing was just a means to an end for them.
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>>36052835
>Even Hitler had a girlfriend.
What?
Hitler was probably the greatest political leader in the world.
Before the war he was worshipped like a god, featured on Time magazine, etc. He's still worshipped like a god now for fucks sake.
Awarded medal for bravery during his time in the war, and so on.

He was a brave soldier, a political genius, a self made man, etc. As literal presidents have said, he was the stuff legends are made of.
Whether you like him or not, this is all factual.

Using Hitler is a bad example
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>>36049641

Women are turned on by strength and power.

Women are turned off by weakness.

Never forget this.
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>>36049674
>He's like a Robot resurrected from the fire into a chad for the sole purpose of killing roasties.

Or, maybe "snapping" is something that has evolved for the propagation of genes.

He probably had much more sex after becoming a serial killer, because woman want strong genes, not weak genes.
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>>36049940

All true things.

She doesn't care if other women get killed. Women hate other women.

She only cares that she has tamed a killer into not killing her with the power of her pussy. That makes her at the top of the totem pole.
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>>36050105
>The blackpill is the understanding that women love evil men. Sorry, but that's reality. Because men who are evil by modern standards were people to be admired 10,000 years ago. Female biology has not caught up yet. They still view arrogant, violent, selfish, disloyal brutes as "the silverback".

No, I'd say that's the redpill. Although I guess people say "blackpill" to mean like "the final redpill" or something.

But being evil is not counted against men. Women don't care if a guy is moral, they care if a guy is powerful. Think of the most evil men in history, they weren't virgins. Even Hitler had a girlfriend.

Serial killers are the modern barbarians. Sure, you could point to people like The Rock or John Cena, who could also get any woman they want.

>They still view arrogant, violent, selfish, disloyal brutes as "the silverback".

Exactly. Robots only need to watch a single documentary about mammals mating in order to understand human woman. Women are more primal animals than men, they've just fooled everyone into thinking they are "ladies."
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>>36052915
>You just made an irrelevant comparison to Europe and then strangely undermined your own comparison by acknowledging the different ethnic demographics.

Come on, at least have the modesty of admitting when you're wrong. You basically stated that the death penalty was necessary to keep crime down, I gave you a valid example that proved the contrary. I shouldn't have to spell it out, you don't sound like a six year old, yet you might have the mental fortitude of one.

>Punishing people brings results. To deny this is to deny basic economics in favor of ideology - people respond to incentives.

You deny empirical evidence. The historical evidence of a vindictive justice system being ineffective, because criminals act when they believe they are above the law, and therefore above the repercussions.
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>>36050161
>but people with low testosterone are bigger liars.

So...women? Story checks out.
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>>36051117
>I've fucked more than 100 women despite being only 21.

How many kids do you have? What's the matter? Your sperm can't swim?

>Good luck in life mate. You've already lost.

What would you call a guy who fucked 100 women 2,000 years ago but fathered no children? Oh yeah, his genetic line is gone.

I mean, number of grandkids is a better metric than number of lays.
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>>36053119
>You basically stated that the death penalty was necessary to keep crime down

Except I didn't, that's your illiterate spin on it. I said America has a crime problem because it has too many inept ideologues like yourself undermining the justice system.

>You deny empirical evidence. The historical evidence of a vindictive justice system being ineffective, because criminals act when they believe they are above the law, and therefore above the repercussions.

I'm sure that sounds good to your fellow cuckolds. In the real world people respond to incentives.
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>>36048640
>thousands of women write love letters while in jail

Yeah, but these women are not normal. They're fucking freaks just like him. I don't understand why people think that because Chad and Bundy get women, that all women are like that.

Most women dream about black men and getting raped and abused by them, not fucking Chad and this white faggot Bundy.
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>>36053235
>How many kids do you have?
3, and you?
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>>36053238
>t. worthless cuckold who will fade into nothingness
you'll be the first male of your bloodline since the beginning of life on earth to not pass on your pathetic genes

enjoy extinction
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>>36053252
Not him, but that's not something you should use to brag.
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>>36053293
Why isn't it, retard?
My blood line is secure and will continue. My genes have been passed on.
I can't sense your bitterness
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>>36051270
>while being complete cunts to genocidal psychos who are actually hardcore like good old Hitler, Captain-General Augusto Pinochet Ugarte, or General Ratko Mladic.

Even Hitler had a girlfriend.

Pinochet was married 63 years and had 5 children.

Mladic was married with 2 children.

Sure, other women will yell "but those guys were evil!". But those men had no problems fucking women.

Culturally, women know what to say they want. Biologically, their bodies know what they really want. Evil mass murderers. Powerful men.

Not the celibate peace-loving monks who wouldn't hurt a flaw. What a pussy, a woman thinks. She already has a pussy, what use would she have with another one?
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>>36053290
>enjoy extinction

Oooooh what a sick burn dude. Except we're ALL going to be extinct now or later and nothing you ever did in your life or your descendants ever did will matter one iota. So you're in the same exact boat as I am.
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>>36053317
Lol prove you have kids. Timestamp it. I dont believe you lmao
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>>36051315
>This doesn't make any sense anon

Not that guy, but "beta-ass douchebag serial killers" does seem to make no sense. Because serial killers exhibit alpha traits.

But alpha/beta is a comparison, side by side. Since Hitler led to more deaths, Ted Bundy is beta in comparison. Hitler was more powerful.

Compared to a regular, law-abiding man, Bundy was more alpha.

And yeah, I'm sure Hitler had thousands of fangirls.
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>>36053236
I said that rejecting the "eye for an eye" approach has done good, you respond "Nothing good has come from it. America has a massive crime issue because we let people get a slap on the wrist for violent crimes and then they're just released back into society to fuck things up."

So your response was either fucking stupid (if you meant that the justice system is not vindictive enough) or it had nothing to do with my post you were replying to (if you meant that criminals are too easily released)

Either way, ideologues are not the reason for the system being broken. It's more about corruption and prisons being filled to the brim.

>In the real world people respond to incentives.

If you think people like Ted Bundy act and think like "normal people", you might be a hopeless dumbass
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>>36053367
>Nihilist faggots
>b-but in a billion years we'll all be d-dead
Lmao, why don't you kill yourself and get it over with you weak cunt?
You're delusional

>>36053373
I don't care if you don't believe me or not you fucking retard
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>>36051366
>I saw a video once about an ex khmer rouge executioner who killed hundreds of people including children who died a virgin.

I guess it depends how famous he was, how notorious he was.

Chicks don't want to fuck nobodies.

Plus, if he was just a submissive underling just following orders "like a good boy", and never talked about his "work", women would never know. Maybe they just saw a quiet guy who didn't talk much. Instant panty dryer.
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>>36051975
elliot rodger killed people because he was a beta virgin

All of the other serial killers that you're seeing in the thread killed because it was fun or they wanted a thrill

Women obv prefer #2
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Serious question:
Who would be considered more attractive? A serial killer/rapist that just kills randomly? Or someone who kills for the cartel 'cause they're paid to without rape.

Which would woman (or men) prefer? Just a hypothetical question.
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>>36053317
It shows how utterly irresponsible and retarded you are. You care about pumping out kids instead of caring about giving them a proper upbringing.
Even I bet none of your kids were planned, because you are just that fucking stupid.
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>>36051975

Rodger took his own life. If Rodger was in jail, he would get thousands of letters from horny women, just like James Holmes did.

If Rodger got away with his crimes, and was living out there in the world, yes, he would get pussy. Because women are basketcases who like fucking murderers who are more "alpha" than virgins.
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>>36053392
>does seem to make no sense.
No it doesn't. There are 0 beta serial killers. That was my point. Breaking societies rules to literally assert your will over another person and killing them cannot be beta. In itself, it is an alpha act.

Also, Hitler was more "alpha" and than Bundy any way you look at it, you fool. So alpha in fact, that you just had to make a seperate category for him because he attained so much power that he's in a league of his own. Bundy tried getting into politics, Hitler not only got into politics, he fucking took over. He would have took the world had countries fought one on one instead of as they did.

>Being this wrong
Basically
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>>36053466
I bet he doesnt have kids at all. Why would someone with 3 kids who fucked over 100 women argue this hard over 4chan?
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>>36053466
>Implying I'm not K selected
Try again retard. You're just bitter that you'll be going extinct

Bye bye anon. The first male of your entire bloodline to not pass on his genes since the start of life on earth... you're pathetic
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>>36052089
>Why is everyone in the world so fucking cucked?

People are naturally cowards. I would say most animals are as well. They would rather live another day than get into a potentially life-ending confrontration.

The fight-or-flight reflex typically favors flight. Run away first. Often times animals will only fight if they are cornered and can't run away.

I think revenge is a natural reaction to wrongdoing. But a male family member may not want to risk his own life, or his own quality of life, to get revenge on Bundy in prison.

Some people however, decide that this is the hill they are willing to die on, and will do anything to take someone else down, even if they get killed.
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>>36053519
Why not? 4chan is one of the most popular websites in the world. Billionaires have been confirmed as posting on here.

What is your fucking point, you cunt?
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>>36053463
Femanon here. I prefer the cartel killer because a contract killer would probably be a lot more mentally balanced than someone who kills at random.
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>>36053577
>Femanon here
No one cares you insufferable fuck
Post your tits with a timestamp or don't post at all you ugly cunt
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>>36053424
What's it like being a brainlet who can't even keep up with the flow of an argument?

>Either way, ideologues are not the reason for the system being broken. It's more about corruption and prisons being filled to the brim.

Here you go again with the naive reductionism. The system could be reformed to reduce costs for housing inmates easily. We could reform the system so that criminals don't get endless costly appeals at taxpayer expense. But human rights ideologues would step in the way. Look at Joe Arpaio. He tried to make his prison a place criminals would actually want to avoid and he was always battling federal judges over it.

>If you think people like Ted Bundy act and think like "normal people", you might be a hopeless dumbass

Wow I never realized that every nigger who robs someone is actually has the mentality of a serial killer.

Get a grip. Not every criminal has a broken reward system. Most are fairly rational people who can appreciate that the return for their crime significantly outweighs the meager risk they incur from the feeble punishments they'd receive.
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>>36052140
>If a beta faggot becomes a serial killer, he'll just be a serial killing beta faggot. Not more attractive to women at all. Elliot wouldn't have got any letters.

You're wrong.

See all women who sent James Holmes thousands of letters in prison:
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sdut-fan-letters-james-holmes-released-2015sep12-story.html
http://www.aurorasentinel.com/news/memorabilia-dealer-claims-sold-aurora-theater-shooters-letter-480/
http://mashable.com/2015/09/11/james-holmes-prison-letters/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/james-holmes-fan-mail-reveals-sick-fixatation-killer-article-1.2356103

I wouldn't be surprised if Holmes was a virgin before his killing spree.

Looking at James Holmes, would you describe him as "alpha"? No, he's a beta faggot. But after he went on his killing spree (ie, displaying alpha traits), thousands of women want his cock.

>It's like how if hot guys are weird, they're "eccentric" but if an ugly guy is weird, they're "creepy,"

Being an alpha male is more about behavior than appearance. An attractive guy is more likely to be confident, and confidence is an alpha behavior.

Now, you could mention male peacocks, who have ornate tails. Males are sexually selected for their appearance. But if the male peacock fucks up the mating dance, he's shown he's a beta faggot. So looks aren't enough, it's behavior. Alphas exhibit dominant behavior.
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>>36053537
Even I wasn't this retarded at your age.
Keep enjoying that supposedly fulfilling life, it sure shows. :^)
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>>36048640
Chads get literally everything
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>>36052207
>I'd just sit with my dick in my hands too while the guy who admitted to doing it ate three square a day on my dime for years.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic enough.

But if people enjoy their lives, most people enjoy life outside prison more.

There are few things that most regular people would be willing to die or go to prison for.

Plus, if a perpetrator is already in prison, a family member may figure he's already been caught, maybe even on death row, and can't hurt anyone else.
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>>36053604
I was replying to a post where gender would matter in the opinion. Get cucked, salty faggot.
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Did it ever occur to you guys that those women are mentally fucked up themselves? Or perhaps ugly unfuckable cunts? Maybe even female edgelords?

>arr wimmen r same xddd
Go ahead, I'm waiting for your >nawalts

Fucking imbeciles.
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>>36052212

Well, psychopaths have varying levels of intelligence.

Low-intelligence psychopaths may be gang members, low-intelligence serial killers may get caught.

High-intelligence psychopaths may be CEOS, or serial killers who never get caught.

Also, not all psychopaths are violent. Non-violent psychopaths may become surgeons. Violent psychopaths may join the military.

But yes, psychopaths are the best conmen.
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>>36048640
>Literally what the fuck did they mean by this?

Chad can't lose.

That's it.

Looks theory in effect.
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>>36053711
>using the word salty in this context
lol kill yourself dumb cunt
if you're a female on 4chan, there is no doubt you're fucking disgusting looking
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>>36053654
I'm not that guy but Ted Bundy's problem isn't a broken reward system.
You don't know shit about psychopathy and you should probably stop posting lad
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>>36052263
>I just think Western Civilization does it right.

No. It babysits the worst scum of society. It's too soft on crime and criminals. It's too soft that people who cause lots of suffering keep getting away with it, creating more suffering.

Stop the suffering at its source.

The Old West had it right. Shoot on sight. Or hang the next day.

One person's life is rarely worth more than all the suffering they inflict on others.
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>>36053679
It does, I love it. And you?
Didn't you just say "life is meaningless"? How's that "depression" treating you? Lmao
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>>36052307
>but a lot of the shit you say is just plain retarded.

Well, since I'm not a mindreader, would you like to refute anything in particular?
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>>36048900
what I find most perplexing is that it seems to be a continuum down to the most non-violent men in existence

it's not just that they like violent men, but the more non-violent weebster you become, the more they hate you

there is a reason feminists use retarded logic like "nice guys aren't really nice" and "well at least real muh soggy knee ists are open about it while the beta male denies it, which is why he is even more mysogynist'

and why basement dwelling neckbeards have become the new hate symbol for feminism

it's like you cannot become any less violent and you get more women living in 'fear' of you than you have ever conceived possible
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>>36053733
It's human nature, you plebeian. We are animals just like any other.
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>>36052355
>But rejecting the "eye for an eye" approach has done far more good than you think.

I think being soft on criminals has led to far more harm than you think.
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>>36053776
>you don't know anything but instead of elaborating I'll just make a two-liner post and pretend to be some aloof expert

Excellent contribution. Go fuck yourself.
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>>36053796
>Didn't you just say "life is meaningless"?
But I haven't. I just was passing by and saw your retarded post, bragging about having 3 children at 21.
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>>36053830
>we're are like... animals maaaaaannnn nihilism darkness and despair (and drugs) maaaannn
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>>36052510

Oh yeah, because all fights are done by bare hands....How do humans ever die?
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>>36053760
And? I dont care how i look at this point. You that much of a salty (yes, salty) to reply to a post that wasn't directed to you and had nothing to do with your opinion jiust because you saw "femanon here"?

Lol, stay cucked fuccboii
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>>36052616

If it was his wife, he would be a cuck.

If it was his daughter, not a cuck.

While cucks are associated with powerlessness, not all powerless people are cucks.
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>>36053843
You're definitely bitter mate. As I said, my bloodline is secure unless there is some freak accident, etc. If life is truly about overcoming, I have overcome.

>>36053867
Knowing that we're animals is nothing to do with nihilism, you fucking pseudo-intellectual cunt. I'm thoroughly against nihilism. Also drugs? You're reaching now aren't you? Try again dopey
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>>36052691

If he's handsome, a woman is probably more likely to forgive her rapist (or not even consider it rape). But women will even forgive rapists that aren't handsome.
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>>36053900
You should care how you look ugly, no one likes ugly fuckers
Also, the rest of your post was garbage and conjecture. You don't know what basic words mean, lol
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>>36053919
>we're all like just a bunch of cells in a pale blue dot maaannn like make the best out of life cause were here like for a fraction of a second compared to like uh... the universe and shit mmmmmaaaannnnn *takes another bong hit*
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>>36053941
Insulting someone for their looks on /r9k/. Kek you must look like a greek god i bet
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>>36052795
>You said America has a crime problem because we don't punish criminals enough, I proved you wrong.

Not that guy, but it's true. Criminals commit a crime, it takes months or years in the court system, they may even just get a suspended sentence or communty service, if they are sentnced to prison time they probably won't serve the maximum, etc. So criminals get released, and reoffend.

If the US had the death penalty for every felony, you don't think that would be a deterrent?
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>>36053960
Can you not read?
Understanding basic human nature has nothing to do with nihilism within the context of this discussion. You've got literally nothing, no argument.
Fuck off
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>>36053733
How much of this behavior do you see in males as opposed to females?

We can agree that men are more biologically inclined to be aggressive on average because of their testosterone, right? It's why the majority of violent crimes are caused by men.

So in that same vein can you not see that women being attracted to barbarians is in their biology?

I'll give you another example that has nothing to do with serial killers. I do a lot of erotica. Women tend to be the dominant authors in this kind of field. In almost every instance of their writing, they do not write of a man who is kind and caring to her, that puts her regards above all others. In these dime-a-dozen romance novels women want a man who can pin them down and fuck them raw like an animal and put them away soaking wet. This is not an isolated incidence. One of the biggest selling modern books of all time was 50 Shades of Grey, read by women of all ages, which involves a man of dominant position fucking a woman often against her conscious will and in unsafe ways. Women ate it up.
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>>36053978
I'm unironically classically handsome and pretty fit and have fucked enough women to know my worth, in that way
>wahhh everyone on here has to be an ugly loser like meeeee wahhhhh wahhh
Try again
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>>36052924

Hitler is widely regarded as one of the "most evil men" who ever lived.

Even Hitler had a girlfriend.

The point is that women do not treat "evil" as a con when it comes to men. Evil is not a dealbreaker for women.

Most women don't care if a man is moral, only that he is powerful, or famous, or rich, etc.

Women do not put a premium on the morality of men. The most moral men are celibate monks.
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>>36048640
Source on Bundy killing a man?
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The "murdering innocents" method of getting laid always works.
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>>36053654
>What's it like being a brainlet who can't even keep up with the flow of an argument?

I'm not a brainlet, you just try to spin it as to protect your ego from the fact that you were wrong. Which is why you have nothing better to give as a response (inb4 "I didn't respond because you fucking suck and I don't care and blah blah blah")

>The system could be reformed to reduce costs for housing inmates easily.

Spending some amount of money yields results. You think ideologues implemented this approach and legitimized it with nothing except their rhetoric? Most criminals can be rehabilitated and making them live under shitty conditions only makes them unstable, which makes reintegrating impossible and they end up committing crimes again. If you wanna talk about too much spending, look at Scandinavia. Breivik is basically living the comfortable NEET life right now, despite the fact that his sentence will be renewed until he dies.

>Look at Joe Arpaio. He tried to make his prison a place criminals would actually want to avoid and he was always battling federal judges over it.

Federal judges are human rights activists. Got it.

>Most are fairly rational people who can appreciate that the return for their crime significantly outweighs the meager risk they incur from the feeble punishments they'd receive.

Gonna need some source on that. Robbers might not have the mentality of a serial killer, but if they commit a crime in the first place they don't expect to be caught at all. They're not going to think "eh, I'll do it because the worst that can happen is 10 years in a prison"

It's also worth mentioning that death can be a preferable alternative to prison for a lot of criminals.
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>>36048661
The zodiac killer of course
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>>36054030
I'm failing to see the point. Hitler was only really considered the most evil after he was dead. During his life, he might have been called evil by the allies for propaganda purposes but that's about it.

You have no point. Even if he wasn't considered "evil" and world war 2 didn't happen, he'd still be drowning in pussy, if he wanted. Well, he was.

"Evil" wasn't attributed to him until after his death. During his life he was already "alpha", as I said. Literally one of the best examples of a "great" akin to the greats throughout history. Self made, war hero, political genius, one of the best speakers of all time (if not the best) -- I could go on.

Hitler is a bad example because you say "EVEN Hitler" as if it's supposed to be surprising in any way given all of the above.
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>>36054106
You may not like it but this is what peak male performance looks like.
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>raped one dude
das gay as hell man
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>>36053238
>I don't understand why people think that because Chad and Bundy get women, that all women are like that.

"All" is a strong word, 100%. How about a majority, more than half? Because women evolved to prefer violent, dominant men.

Imagine you're a woman 10,000 years ago. Say two men fight over you. Say the winner kills the loser. Do you want to fuck the loser, who is now dead? No. You want to fuck the winner.

Imagine you're a woman living 3,000 years ago. Say you live in a city and have kids with a man. Say invaders raid your city and kill your mate. How do you survive? By fucking the invaders.

Modern women are the results of billions of years of evolution. Not 75 years of Disney movies.

The "Disney" answer is that these women are not normal, these women are fucking freaks.

The redpill answer is that killers turn women on, because it's better to mate with a stronger killer, than mate with his weaker victim. It's better for her sons to have killer genes, than victim genes.

Women want to fuck the guy on top. If Bundy was alive today, and killed her black boyfriend, guess who's on top now?

You don't understand the social totem pole or social pyramid that women live in, and pick men by. She wants to fuck the men on top, not the men on the bottom.
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>>36054045
His lawyer claimed he did. He also claimed the body count was higher. You can either take it or leave it, but I can honestly see it being true.

Bundy likely stated killing aged 14. An 8 year old girl in his neighbourhood went missing from a room with the window left open (Bundy used this later on too) and her father saw a young Bundy standing in a construction yard standing in a hole. He also implied some stuff that makes it seem plausible.

If you look at the dates of the girls that went missing, it was one or two a month consistently. It's likely that many women weren't found or ever reported missing
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>>36052207
>Feels good to be above such petty animalistic concepts of revenge the third worlders have

It actually does feel pretty good
It's the reason they live in the third world and why they'll continue to live in the third world.
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>>36053252

Zero. That's 3 less deaths that are my fault.
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>>36054180
Women want to fuck a man who killed other women, how the fuck is that evolutionary advantageous?
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My half brother got out of prison on armed robbery charges and somehow ended up seducing an 8/10 biology professor. He does literally nothing but eat, sleep, play video games, smoke weed, and periodically cause drama for her. This bitch slobbers over his layabout ass, turned down doctors and lawyers for this parasite. Meanwhile I'm a virgin wagecuck.

Women are fucked in the head.
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>>36053783
>people who cause lots of suffering keep getting away with it

The fuck you're talking about
Bundy got death penalty'ed
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>>36053290

All human genes will go extinct one day anyway.

The only question is how many people die, and how many people have to suffer until that happens.

Besides, a person's "bloodline" really dies when they die. Any children they have is only half their "bloodline", half their DNA.
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>>36053463
A different femanon here. I prefer indiscriminate mass murderers who commit sudoku because they are rejecting life as a whole rather than acting for monetary gain. I find murder for greed pathetic, as it says that the murderer in question would not have been able to otherwise fend for himself, and he is one who continuously risks his safety because of his low intelligence.

With that said, I prefer non-rapist shooters to guys like Robert Poulin. The ideal man rejects life in every form, including animalistic urges like eating and fornicating. He is focused only on optimization of casualties and the destruction of life.

adam lanza best man
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>>36054204
Enjoy extinction little man
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>>36053317
>My blood line is secure and will continue. My genes have been passed on.

Only if you have grandkids.
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>>36054263
>He is focused only on optimization of casualties and the destruction of life.

If he was really focused he would actually be studying and acquiring enough influence and power to manufacture mass destruction weapons
Otherwise they're just lazy animals lashing out
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>>36053424
>It's more about corruption and prisons being filled to the brim.

Why put criminals in prison? Why not kill them? Why release criminals back into society, the society they have already indicated they have no interest in following the laws of? Why release criminals back into society to go on and harm more people, cause more suffering.

When it comes to suffering, strike it at the root. Prevent future suffering.
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>>36054211
Because he's daring enough to ignore societies rules. They also want to be the one to "change" him, or keep him held down, in a sense.
If he's willing to disregard societies rules and take such risks, he has strong genes that are required during times of danger, etc. Not to mention, charm, cunning, wit, to do it in the first place.

There's a lot that goes in to it, it's too complex to explain in a post. Basically, it's just in their nature to seek this out. They might even hate themselves for liking it, but they like it nonetheless.
See: Rape victims. Many have to go to counselling due to them feeling so fucked up about experiencing orgasm during their rape and having fantasies after, etc
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>>36053463
There's no such a thing as killing randomly
They all have a reason and I'd think it's more interesting to find out that reason than some filthy bastard who is inhuman because of money
So serial killer is better than contract killer
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>>36048795
>He did what he did out of desperation and loneliness. The other serial killers posted in this thread are a different breed. They killed over a longer period of time and kept getting away with it, but they also killed out of power and with confidence, not desperation.
That is what makes Elliot Rodger a human being, compared to these soulless scumbags, mostly killing for the fun it. They are all mere animals.
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>>36054259
>florida killing someone who actually deserved it for a change
wow, they haven't done that in like forever!
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>>36054063
>I'm not a brainlet, you just try to spin it as to protect your ego from the fact that you were wrong.

You literally pulled some bullshit out of your ass about how I said you need the death penalty for low crime, which I never said. Stop obfuscating and take your own advice to have the modesty to admit you were wrong little brainlet.

>You think ideologues implemented this approach and legitimized it with nothing except their rhetoric?

Not just rhetoric, but through framing this approach as a "human rights issue" which cannot be questioned and which is not up for discussion by the people.

>Most criminals can be rehabilitated

In reality, most criminals are repeat offenders with extensive criminal and arrest histories.

Regardless, we are talking about deterrence here. Not rehabilitation. Deterrence is more important and orders of magnitude more cost efficient for the order of society than wasting resources rehabilitating. Which you rather pay for, a shotgun for burglars who come into your house? Or a rehabilitation program for them, including room, board, staffing, etc.?

>Federal judges are human rights activists. Got it.

Silly brainlet, I said ideologues. Not activists. And many judges are quite ideological. That's how we got these whacky rights for criminals in the first place.

>Gonna need some source on that. Robbers might not have the mentality of a serial killer, but if they commit a crime in the first place they don't expect to be caught at all. They're not going to think "eh, I'll do it because the worst that can happen is 10 years in a prison"

This is wishful thinking. In reality robbers in the US do not usually get 10 years in prison, especially in the big cities with Democratic District Attorneys and overburdened courthouses. Murderers do less time than that.

When you realize that you'll only do a few years if anything at all, crime becomes a lot more attractive.
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>>36054262
>T. Nihilism faggot
Why not just kill yourself now if it's really all worthless? You faggots can't even form an argument because you have none. All you can do is make excuses as to why you're a failure.

Nihilism won't save you
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>>36053431
>Lmao, why don't you kill yourself and get it over with you weak cunt?

Not that guy, but dying can be pretty painful, most people want to avoid dying.

But yeah, everyone alive right now will be dead one day. And humanity will be extinct one day. Maybe someone would like to do one more thing before they die. Maybe someone would like to do something one more time before they die.

But talk about "bloodline" as if it matters is refuted by the fact that 99% of species that have ever lived on Earth, some which successfully propagated their bloodline for hundreds of millions of years, are now extinct.

Humans aren't going to last hundreds of millions of years. They might not last even 100 more years.

Meanwhile, tardigrades have survived over 500 million years, and the last 5 extinction events. When all the humans are dead, Tardigrades will inherit the Earth.
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>>36054211
I'm a woman
Other women aren't me
Other women are the competition
I know that all in all all of us are just a hole but
As far as I'm concerned I don't relate to them, they're just in the way
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>>36054211
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette. Women who fight back against rapists got killed. Women who got horny and embraced it survived. Same reason women can dump men so emotionlessly. Women who mourned their old lovers were less likely to breed. Remember that the right of male-on-male violence among hunter gatherers was higher than the HEIGHT of WWII.
>>36054180
Kek

Reminds me of my great uncle telling me about the war. The women mostly just lifted their skirts and smiled for the invaders. No real fear, no crying, no huddling like the women in LOTR.
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>>36054201
More like that's the reason why they'll continue to outpace us and our cities will continue to deteriorate into the third world.
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>>36053460

You people aren't recognize the before/after.

Rodger was a beta. Once he killed multiple people, that is an alpha trait.

If Rodger hadn't killed himself, he would get fan mail. More fan mail than when he was a virgin nobody. That's the thing about notoriety.
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>>36054398
>Why not just kill yourself now if it's really all worthless?

Why would I kill myself now if I'm going to die eventually? Why would I put effort into something that will happen even with no effort on my part?
Don't be retarded you triggered little fag
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>>36049591
>privilege
The nigga was a social genius, that is not privilege.
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>>36054310
Within reasonable limits. Adam Lanza did not have the social skills and charisma to rise up, and he was not skilled technically either, so the manufacturing of stronger weapons was out of question for him. He did research mass murderers before him and pulled information from them. Granted he was not the most intelligent person to seek mass killing. He's not at all on the same level as Einstein, but I'm differentiating between the two because those who rise up to a position where they have the power to create weapons of mass destruction have a motive, i.e. winning a war. Even though he was responsible for a lot of deaths, his goal was to protect his own nation, so he isn't rejecting life.

However, it's sort of blithe to say that he's lazy because he didn't kill as many as so and so, or because he didn't use such and such a method, because killing everyone is impossible. One person alone cannot be responsible for the deaths of everyone, and everyone is guaranteed to die anyway. That is why i consider the maximization of deaths for one incident sufficient.
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>>36054434
And it'll still be the third world
Why do you want to live in a violent shithole so bad?
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>>36053463

Well, women naturally prefer men in groups. So a killer in a pack (like a military, or an ex-military cartel, or mercenaries) is generally more attractive to to women than a lone killer.

A loner lacks social proof.

For example, women might get wet over American Sniper Chris Kyle. This guy is part of a squad. But not wet over the loner who murdered Chris Kyle.

Women would get wet over Jesse James. He was the leader of a crew. But not wet over Robert Ford, the "coward" who murdered the outlaw.
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>>36053783
>It babysits the worst scum of society.

Except when it doesn't and some, if not most convicts aren't "scum".

> It's too soft that people who cause lots of suffering keep getting away with it, creating more suffering.

The system is broken, no one's denying that

>One person's life is rarely worth more than all the suffering they inflict on others.

Of course, except when it turns out he wasn't the killer. Yeah, that was a thing and there are documented examples of this happening.

>>36054334
>Why not kill them?
Because you can't undo it if you turn out to be wrong. They don't have to be released, especially not killers.

>Prevent future suffering

By killing those who've already caused suffering? That's not what "preventing" is about
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>>36054414
Hm, interesting.

Do go on
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>>36054404
>Humans aren't going to last hundreds of millions of years. They might not last even 100 more years.
And you know this how? Oh, that's right, you don't.

You're just another bitter reject who can't succeed in passing on his genes and so he resorts to Nihilism.
Even if all life is pointless, etc, why not make sure you pass on your genes anyway? Why not end yourself in a painless death?
No one knows what the future holds. Of course it all has to end at some point, but that isn't the point. If you believe life has no meaning, then that is down to you to fix on your own.

Again, nihilism won't save you
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>>36054482
>because killing everyone is impossible

With that attitude it is
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>>36054363
Basically. Women wanna be Daenarys to Khal Drogo. Or Belle to the beast.

>Yeah he's a fucking savage, but I'm his #1 bitch!

Observe how romance novels are usually about dark triad guys raping (nowadays they insist it's "seducing") plain janes. After tormenting her mentally he starts to become nicer due to her magically delicious pussy and eventually lets up on her. Even 50 Shades portrayed the BDSM as a flaw she fixes with her magic pussy.
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>>36054398
Except as a nihilist the reason to live is for hedonism. If nothing matters, then there's no reason to worry about the existential problems that betas worry about all the time. Why care about saving the planet? Why care about colonizing other planets? Why care?

The beta argument to this is "j-just kill yourself then..." but that is not the nihilist's position. The nihilist does not desire to kill themselves because it doesn't matter.

The fact that betas immediately respond to the thought of suicide at the sheer immorality and injustice of the entropic universe just shows that they are the ones who face this mortal dilemma, not the nihilist.

Do you not see? The true nihilists are not edgy failures. The true nihilists are the hedonistic young who live their life party to party, sexual encounter to sexual encounter. Nihilism is not surrender to existentialism, it is the acceptance of its implacable influence on everything in our lives.
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>>36054387
Nobody wants to accept that violent people are 90% born that way. Only after they finally do something diabolical like decapitate a grandfather will they be locked away or killed.
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>>36054543
Why are you talking shit about nihilism?
I'm pretty much a nihilist yet I'm most definitely going to have kids
There is no point to life but so what? It doesn't need a point. It's just a thing that you do
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>>36053504
>There are 0 beta serial killers.

Sure there are. Look at Dennis Rader. Look at him. Sure, killing someone is an alpha act. But alpha/beta is a side by side comparison. You can compare any two serial killers side by side, and determine which one is more alpha and which one is more beta.

And you just agreed with me that Hitler was more alpha than Bundy. So I don't know why you're disagreeing. Compared to Hitler, Bundy looks beta.

Anything else about alpha/beta you need explained to you?
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>>36054465
t. Nihilism a.k.a the pseudo-intellectuals wet dream
Enjoy extinction, as I said. You can't even stand by your own beliefs in nothingness, because you're too retarded to understand all of its implications.

Kill yourself and get it over with, loser. Your weak genes are not needed
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>>36054504
>And it'll still be the third world
Not really, I anticipate that China will soon be where we were at the height of the West and their high rate of capital punishment will not hinder them in the least.

>Why do you want to live in a violent shithole so bad?
You're the one who wants that, and it's what you're getting in every country in the West more and more every year.
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>>36054543
You sound so unsure of your own values.
Deep down, beneath your ego you sense how vacant of meaning reality is but you wont admit it, not here. You will continue to hurl insults like the petulant child in mind that you are :)
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Are you guys fucking crazy. What the fuck kind of crazy dumb bullshit am I reading here?

In a country of 300million getting a few hundreds mails doesn't mean shit.

Yes girls like good looking guys, but they don't like good looking murdering psychos, not en masse.

What kind of dark triad traits did The Beatles evoke? A bunch of nerdy looking British fucks.
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>>36054609
You talk a lot and don't say anything at all
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>>36053537
>You're just bitter that you'll be going extinct

All of humanity will go extinct one day.

Congratulations on winning a race to nowhere! How many descendants of yours need to pointlessly suffer and die, all because you think passing on your "bloodline" like Mesopamian god-king royalty means anything in the grand scheme of things?

Sure, it's sad to think about some genetic line ending after 4 billion years. But every genetic line will end after a few more billion.
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>>36054611
Anon confirmed schizophrenic
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>>36054513
Very true

Women do find loners sexy in some cases, because he seems like he's high status enough to be aloof to the rest of the pack. Strong, silent, type: like Gary Cooper. Shy guys are not in this category because they're just omegas scared of talking.

Sociable men have lots of followers who can back them up in a fight over resources. They lead other people and likely get the lion's share of food.
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>>36054665
>How many descendants of yours need to pointlessly suffer and die


That's such an emo thing to say
They'll suffer, they'll die, but they'll also experience all sorts of bliss
A life is a terrible thing to inflict upon someone but is also a great opportunity. It's stupid to try to make someone feel guilty for giving it.

Im a nihilist too
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>>36053733

Most women are fucked up. Over half of women are fucked up. If something happens over half the time, it warrants a generalization, because odds are the generalization will be true over half of the time.

A woman would rather fuck a killer than his victims. It's as simple as that.

A woman prefers strong genes over weak genes. It's as simple as that.

In the past, if barbarbian hordes killed all the males in her city, she survives by fucking the invaders. It's as simple as that.

That is why women get turned by violent, dominant males. Humans are omnivores. That means eating meat. That means killing.

You're welcome for this free fucking educational moment.
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>>36054584
Simply wrong. Read the post I replied to again.
Nihilism isn't about a hedonistic lifestyle, this is just your dumbed down take on it (because you have low IQ)
Hedonism is the plebs ANSWER to Nihilism. They see no other solution but to lead a life of unlimited pleasure, etc.

If the guy holds the position that "I don't want to procreate because we'll all die eventually", then that is a nihilistic worldview. It's a pathetic one too, since Nihilism is pretty much the entry level way of seeing things, and most of the people who say it are hypocrites.

The rest of your post is garbage. You have a sophomoric understanding of what nihilism is, and have probably never read anything even related to it.
>The true nihilists are the hedonistic young
Lmao
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>>36054604
Because Nihilists are pathetic pseudo-intellectuals.
>There is no point to life
Speak for yourself only weakling
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>>36052212
This is the truth, many psychos are just thug losers
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>>36054640
t. empty nihilist
hows depression treating you loser?
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>>36054643
Musicians have a metric FUCK-TON of social proof. Even the guy in the hallway with a guitar and folks slowly gathering around him, or the edgy looking noodle armed crooners. My grandma had no fucking clue why she spazzed out so hard at the Beatles concerts, she was just caught up in the frenzy of other women clamoring for these elite men. Women in the 50's were THROWING THEIR PANTIES at Elvis. I see the same at modern concerts. Social proof is but one part of attraction. Like how big tits aren't NECESSARILY what makes a woman great.
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>>36054654
You're too retarded to understand, that's why.
Read more, pleb.

Nihilism is for entry level faggots and other such low IQ retards
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>>36054387
>You literally pulled some bullshit out of your ass
So if you're still dwelling on that, I'm not the one who has trouble following the argument.

>Which you rather pay for, a shotgun for burglars who come into your house?

don't try to make this about self-defense. I'm 100% in favor of using lethal force for self-defense. Inb4 that's contradictory to the rest of what we're discussing, because it isn't. It's a whole other scenario, and I'm not arguing against the death penalty and torture because I have a mental block against all manners/circumstances of death and violence.

>most criminals are repeat offenders with extensive criminal and arrest histories.

because American prisons aren't so accommodating as you suggest they are. They're the least comfortable ones to be in in the Western World, and also filled to the brim. Explain that.

>That's how we got these whacky rights for criminals in the first place.

At some point in history, there was a transition from the "older" point of view to the contemporary one. How do you think that happened? Did people become pussies for no reason one day? Or did we start being more practical, instead of letting our emotions and instinctual desire for revenge control us?

> In reality robbers in the US do not usually get 10 years in prison, especially in the big cities with Democratic District Attorneys and overburdened courthouses. Murderers do less time than that.

So overburdened courthouses are the problem. Not the lack of barbarity. Niggers, spics, gangs, ghettos, more niggers.
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>>36054604
>why are you talking shit about nihilism?
>btw nihilist

You're not a nihilist, you're just a depressed fag looking for attention. Stfu.
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>>36054798
>Speak for yourself only weakling

Lmao sorry macho man I'm sure your life is filled with purpose I didn't mean to offend
So okay
Your life has a point
Yet mine doesn't
But we're both alive aren't we
If life has a point then shouldn't both lives have one instead of just one?
If a single life in the middle of all the other lives doesn't have a point then saying "life has a point" is wrong, that single life just disproved it
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>>36054118

I'm saying the most evil man of all time didn't die a virgin. That's the point.

The point is that women do not discount men for being evil. Women don't care if a man murders 6 million people. Women don't care if a man kills.

They care if he's powerful.

The point is a point about morality. Nice guys think women want moral men. Women don't care if a man is moral, only if he's powerful.
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>>36054643
>What dark triad traits did the beatles evoke?
>Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.
>Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception
>sychopathy is characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness

Pretty much all of them in some degree.
You're a pleb who wants to live in dream land

WAKE UP
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>>36054866
When people say life has a point, they don't mean every life. Only valuable lives.
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>>36054833
Uh-huh. Wow, you even called me a pleb, too. Goddamn. You're schooling me so hard right now, I'm just mortified.
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>>36054816
>hurls insult

I knew you would :)

Stay predictable bud!
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>>36054643

>What kind of dark triad traits did The Beatles evoke? A bunch of nerdy looking British fucks.

you might realize that there is such a thing called groupies and that women as indiscriminate and fickle regarding the 'boy bands' they consider worthwhile, which is why it changes from beatles to backstreet boys without a notch

this is not because of their beta ness, they are popular with women because they are popular. this is how retarded womens logic gets

>Are you guys fucking crazy. What the fuck kind of crazy dumb bullshit am I reading here?

So how do you explain that women ignore actual violence against women and continue to sperg out about nerds having flimsy befitted women in their video games? you know, the kind of people who cannot be any less typically male violent?
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>>36054840
I'm not depressed tho
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>>36054877
Remember.

People on a BIOLOGICAL level are upset when women are criticized. It's instinct. They can't help it.

Women need their herds of beta cucks to remain ignorant of their predations. Like vampires. Otherwise the whole thing falls apart.
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>>36054781
Elucidate me then my high IQ, high test friend. What did Nietzsche write on the subject?
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>>36054886
They didnt mean your life, stupid.
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>>36054886
Then they should make clearer statements
What is the point of the valuable lives?
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>>36054665
>All of humanity will go extinct one day.
Read the thread before posting you low IQ pleb.
I've already addressed this.
Why not just kill yourself if it's all pointless then? Go on! What are you waiting for!?!
More importantly, you can believe whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that I believe life has meaning, you don't.

I'd wager that YOU are empty, depressed, etc... where as I'm not.

As I said, enjoy extinction. No one will miss you, or your inferior genetic makeup
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>>36054211

A woman is in competition with other women. If a man kills other women, but not her, she's the survivor, she survives to have children. If the killer would rather fuck another woman and not her, she could be killed. That's why she has to attract the alpha. Fuck the alpha before her competition does.

All women want to fuck winners, not losers. So a woman would rather mate with a killer than his victims.

A killer shows that he's a survivor, and a provider (since humans are omnivores).

Since a man who kills people could kill her kids, that's also why women typically prefer a nicer man (or a brute she has tamed with her pussy, think Beauty and the Beast) to raise the kids (that a violent killer spawned).
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>>36054944
Lol, you will die and so will your children LMFAO
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>>36054259

Oh wow, one guy got the death penalty. That sure refutes a trend that in the justice system that people who cause lots of suffering keep getting away with it.

Remind me again how many victims Bundy had before he was finally stopped? You think a cop shooting him with one bullet couldn't have stopped him sooner?
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>>36054944
I don't mind being insulting to robots but could you please change it up a bit? The pleb, depressed, low iq genetic trash is getting boring already, post after post after post. Geez. Fucking one trick pony.
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>>36054871
Are you retarded?
He wasn't called the most EVIL man until after death. You know, it's called propaganda.

During his life he was known as a great leader, a war hero, political genius and a great speaker. Not "evil", retard.
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>>36054986
>You think a cop shooting him with one bullet couldn't have stopped him sooner?

What
His mother getting an abortion would have stopped him even sooner but how the fuck was she supposed to know
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>>36054270

Men can have kids well until their 90s. A man's fertility window is much longer than a woman's.

But everyone dies. And every species goes extinct.

Enjoy thinking that you are doing anything anything to prevent that. It's out of your control, friendo.

How does it feel knowing that despite all your efforts, your children will still die, and the human race will still go extinct?
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>>36054908
Much of what you need to know about women lies in the fact that wearing a wedding ring will cause women to come to you like flies to shit. I wore one as an experiment for a while, it's like night and day.

Men see a ring "oh she's off limits never mind"

Women see a ring *SPLOOOSH* "I NEED that cock! Another woman wanted him badly enough to MARRY him!"
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>>36054892
>>36054901

It's true though, isn't it? You have no thorough understanding of the topic you're trying to defend.
I don't care anyway though, you can continue being a nihilist all you want... see where you end up!

Read more plebs
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>>36055033
>see where you end up!
In the grave, where you will end up too?
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>>36054938
>What did Nietzsche write on the subject?
Nietzsche rejected nihilism in all forms, you fucking dunce. His whole lifes work was dedicated to stopping people from falling into the trap of nihilism.

Read a fucking book
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>>36054398
>Why not just kill yourself now if it's really all worthless? You faggots can't even form an argument because you have none.

You don't understand the argument. I never said "it's really all worthless." But the fact is that humanity will go extinct. All the children being born right now won't prevent it.

Plus, most people are afraid of dying. And would like to do a few more things before they die.

>All you can do is make excuses as to why you're a failure.

If someone has no kids, they lead to less future suffering than someone who does. Their suffering is on you.

A childless person's conscience is clear. They haven't led to any new deaths in the future.
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>>36054871
No, that's not how it works. Evil is a subjective notion. If Germans didn't think of him as evil, he might as well have been a war hero, it doesn't matter. The thread is about men that are universally considered evil and still attract women, THAT is shocking.
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>>36054981
t. Weak beta male who can't secure a mate

>>36054988
I like those insults though. They sum up accurately the posters I reply to. You pleb fuck cunt.
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>>36055033
Literally, the children you spawn will die and decompose. Your "lineage" means fuck all, like how are you this stupid? Are you trolling rn?
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>>36053112
Wait, so you are telling me if I go on a murder spree, look decent to begin with, and am semi charismatic and intelligent, women will fall for me? I've been doing it wrong this whole time!
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>>36054835
>So if you're still dwelling on that, I'm not the one who has trouble following the argument.

So take your own medicine. Admit you were wrong.

>bla bla self defence

I am talking about the raw costs of deterrence, not the ethics of self defense. Please try to keep up.

>because American prisons aren't so accommodating as you suggest they are. They're the least comfortable ones to be in in the Western World, and also filled to the brim. Explain that.

What is there to explain? They are relatively uncomfortable but not uncomfortable in an absolute sense. Two days ago I ran across someone convicted of felony assault on a police officer in 2015 out and about. Guess how I came into contact with him? He was robbing a store and assaulting another policeman. Our system is a joke.

>At some point in history, there was a transition from the "older" point of view to the contemporary one. How do you think that happened? Did people become pussies for no reason one day? Or did we start being more practical, instead of letting our emotions and instinctual desire for revenge control us?

Most people feel the way I do, actually. This is why issues like capital punishment are not put to a vote but framed as human rights issues. The only transition was the one forced upon the population by the ideological legal elite.

>more practical
This is nonsensical.

> instead of letting our emotions and instinctual desire for revenge control us?

How does it feel to be so cucked that you make an antagonist within your own psyche of your own emotions and instincts?

>So overburdened courthouses are the problem.
And Democrats, and the refusal by the establishment to allow for reform, and non-whites.

>barbarity
You think that giving people longer sentences for violent crimes and using the death penalty is barbarity? You sound like a pussy.
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>>36055063
He never succeeded in debunking nihilism.


Dunce..
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>>36048640
>be handsome
he was chad all along /thread
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>>36055010
>How does it feel knowing that despite all your efforts, your children will still die, and the human race will still go extinct?
That's a long way away from right now loser. In the meantime, many moments of sheer joy, happiness and all emotions that make living worthwhile (the same ones that keep you alive) will be had.

You're a hypocrite who can't even stand by his own belief system. Kill yourself and be a martyr for your cause, you pleb cunt. Until then, you're just another weak nihilist pseudo-intellectual with nothing to offer
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>>36055063
Yes, I'm aware of that. Nihilism was represented by the hedonistic and selfish lifestyle that came with the lack of morality and faith in God.

But you didn't explain it to me. Explain it so that my genes will be enlightened by your knowledge and will grow stronger for it. Do you not want to save the genes of an innocent soul? Does my life not matter, have meaning, deserve to be saved?
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>>36054520

Most people in jail and prison are scum. There's no reason to babysit them. There's tons of reasons to end their lives.

>Of course, except when it turns out he wasn't the killer. Yeah, that was a thing and there are documented examples of this happening.

That is unfortunate, but it shows that the "justice system" really needs to be more scientific and rely less on the opinion of 12 random strangers.

But I do think that if a few innocent people die, it's worth it to eliminate the worst criminals from society.

>Because you can't undo it if you turn out to be wrong. They don't have to be released, especially not killers.

It's a very small percentage of innocent people in jail. It's fine if people work to get them out. But that's no reason to be soft on real criminals.

>By killing those who've already caused suffering? That's not what "preventing" is about

Sure it is. Ted Bundy killed over 30 people. Say he had been caught after the first one. And executed. That's 29 deaths that have been prevented.

The fact is that if someone is willing to harm others, they will likely continue that behavior in the future.

So is someone is causing suffering in the world, it's moral to prevent more of it.

That's why the TSA exists. To prevent more terrorists hijacking airplanes or blowing them up.
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>>36048640
If only he had KIRA QUEEN he never would have been caught
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>>36055100
Kek
He'll never live to see his grandchildrens children!
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>>36055165
most people on /r9k/ are scum too. lonely asshole NEETs that blame their own issues on everyone but themselves
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>>36052365
Fucking based

He should have killed her too

True revenge does take time
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>>36054543

There's something called the Doomsday Clock.

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_catastrophic_risk
>Any event that could cause human extinction is known as an existential risk.

>Potential global catastrophic risks include anthropogenic risks (technology risks, governance risks) and natural or external risks. Examples of technology risks are hostile artificial intelligence, biotechnology risks, or nanotechnology weapons. Insufficient global governance creates risks in the social and political domain (potentially leading to a global war with or without a nuclear holocaust, bioterrorism using genetically modified organisms, cyberterrorism destroying critical infrastructures like the electrical grid, or the failure to manage a natural pandemic) as well as problems and risks in the domain of earth system governance (with risks resulting from global warming, environmental degradation, mineral resource exhaustion, fossil energy exhaustion, or famine as a result of non-equitable resource distribution, human overpopulation, crop failures and non-sustainable agriculture). Examples for non-anthropogenic risks are an asteroid impact event, a supervolcanic eruption, a lethal gamma-ray burst, a geomagnetic storm destroying all electronic equipment, natural long-term climate change, or extraterrestrial life impacting life on Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_extinction
>In the near future, anthropogenic extinction scenarios have been proposed: global nuclear annihilation, dysgenics, overpopulation, biological warfare or the release of a pandemic-causing agent, ecological collapse, and global warming; in addition, emerging technologies could bring about new extinction scenarios, such as advanced artificial intelligence, biotechnology or self-replicating nanobots. The probability of human extinction within the next hundred years, due to human cause(s), is an active topic of debate

Yes, noone knows the future. That's why it's cruel to have kids.
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>>36055142
>b-but muh purpose
>muh values
>muh Christianity

I wish i could be around to see you die
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>>36055241
>That's why it's cruel to have kids

Why? Because they'll eventually die? that's the cost of the ride
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>>36052089
because the guy who would slowly torture him to death was too busy being Ted Bundy
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>>36055056
>where you will end up too
Implying immortality won't be possible by the end of my lifetime. Pleb tier. Stop posting.

>>36055069
see>>36055142
>Their suffering is on you.
As is their sheer joy and all other emotions that make life worthwhile. The same reason you're alive right now, because if not, you'd have ended it.
You have no argument. Running yourself in circles like a clown. Read a fucking book.

>>36055140
Are you retarded or what?

>>36055148
Your life may deserve to be saved, but that's down to you, not me. You're just genuinely low IQ and don't understand what the fuck you're posting about. You can continue being whatever you want, no one will miss you, as I said.
Meanwhile, my offspring will be experiencing the roller coaster of all emotions that is life. Sheer joy and crushing sadness, all of it. They'll be experiencing it, and overcoming it...A part of me will remain with them, their very being built upon the foundation laid by my genetic makeup, I will live on, and you'll be in the dirt. Forgotten. Non existent. Dead.
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>>36055099
There's a video game pretty popular in Japan. You play as a girl who gets romanced by one of a selection of guys. Guess who was the most popular among Japanese and American female players by far?

The sadistic and charismatic one

>"Usually he's mean and rude to you, but sometimes when you're alone he's so sweet and kind"

Recently the Chinese did a study and found "Dominant" and "Aggressive" looking men (features masculinzed by testosterone) have most sex partners
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>>36054730

It's not emo. It's antinatalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

See the book Better To Have Never Been by David Benatar.

Some people argue that given how horrific some people die, that no human life is worth the suffering they went through.

"Assuming that each couple has three children, an original pair's cumulative descendents over ten generations amount to 88,572 people. That constitutes a lot of pointless, avoidable suffering. To be sure, full responsibility for it all does not lie with the original couple because each new generation faces the choice of whether to continue that line of descendents. Nevertheless, they bear some responsibility for the generations that ensue. If one does not desist from having children, one can hardly expect one's descendents to do so." -David Benatar

That suffering is the fault of parents long ago.

A nihilist doesn't care about suffering. Antinatalist want to prevent further suffering.
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>>36055310
>It's not emo. It's antinatalist

Tomayto tomatow
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>>36055171
>Implying I won't live forever on a USB drive or something

>>36055241
Yeah, but that's going on current prediction with current technology, you low IQ pleb.
It will all end one day, yeah.
The Doomsday clock isn't what you posted either, retard.

>That's why it's cruel to have kids.
Only if they end up like the loser you are. In fact, it's only complete losers who spout this shit in the first place. Weak men deserve to die so enjoy death
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>>36055278
Nihilism cant be debunked you raging against the dying light tier faggot.
Take your values and get fucked
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>>36055254
Christianity? You what, mate?
Again with the non argument. Just more reaching and conjecture.

I will live on, you will not
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>>36054944
>Why not just kill yourself if it's all pointless then? Go on! What are you waiting for!?!

You are either intentionally or stupidly misreprenting what I'm saying. I didn't say it's "all pointless."

But breeding in a way is pointless, because humanity will eventually go extinct. That's a reason not to breed, not a reason to kill yourself.

>More importantly, you can believe whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that I believe life has meaning, you don't.

Life is also suffering. And creating a new life means creating a new death. That death is on your head.

Sure, people could blame Ted Bundy for killing over 30 people. But the people ultimately reponsible for those deaths are the parents that created those people. They threw innocent children out into the world, not knowing what pain or suffering or death would happen to them.

>As I said, enjoy extinction. No one will miss you, or your inferior genetic makeup

All humans will go extinct. And by the way, nobody will miss you then either. All those genes you spent all that time spreading around, will be gone.
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>>36055337
>thinking mind uploading is feasible


Dumb.
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>>36055310
Meanwhile, my offspring will be experiencing the roller coaster of all emotions that is life. Sheer joy and crushing sadness, all of it. They'll be experiencing it, and overcoming it...A part of me will remain with them, their very being built upon the foundation laid by my genetic makeup, I will live on, and you'll be in the dirt. Forgotten. Non existent. Dead.

You're a pleb, that's all
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>>36055278
>Your life may deserve to be saved, but that's down to you, not me. You're just genuinely low IQ and don't understand what the fuck you're posting about. You can continue being whatever you want, no one will miss you, as I said.

How can my life have meaning if I have low IQ? How could I possibly salvage my genes myself if I am too inferior to dig myself out of the hole? I am to be forgotten, as you say, since I am inferior. Because I am inferior, it does not have a point. As you say, I am a nihilist because I am inferior, so how can I not be a nihilist? Should a pointless life not subscribe to a pointless ideology?
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>>36055353
>i will live on

Nope. You'll die just like me and everyone else.
Sweet dreams :^)
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>>36054999
>He wasn't called the most EVIL man until after death.

And you're missing the whole fucking point since you seem to want to suck Hitler's cock.

The point is that being evil does not turn women off. The point is that killing does not turn women off. Just the opposite.
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>>36053112
>Hitler
>Evil
?????????
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>>36055341
It's already been debunked, friendo.
Your very existence debunks it in its own way.
Why are you still alive instead of killing yourself?
Why anything instead of nothing at all?
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>>36055009
>His mother getting an abortion would have stopped him even sooner but how the fuck was she supposed to know

I'm sure that's one reason that David Benatar thinks all women should get abortions.

No woman knows her baby is going to be a murderer, or the victim of a murderer. They just throw them out there recklessly in the a cruel world.
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>>36055376
Even if said scenario ever played out you wouldn't know :)
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>>36055099

Most people consider Hitler is the most evil man who ever lived.

Ask most Germans living now if they think Hitler was evil.

There's a reason that the name Hitler has become synonymous with evil.

And it's not shocking once you finally understand what turns women on. It's not moral behavior, it's power.
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>>36055364
>breeding in a way is pointless, because humanity will eventually go extinct.
Only if you believe life is meaningless in the first place. I believe the rollercoaster is all part of it. It makes it worthwhile. And so do you, you just won't admit it. You don't even believe what you're saying because your very existence right now is the opposite of it.

see>>36055376

>>36055395
see>>36055376
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>>36055121

Yes, exactly. Enjoy your conjugal visits in prison.
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>>36055397
I know, you retard. I was just saying that using Hitler is a bad example since he was already liked before he did """"evil"""" things.
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>>36055131
>So take your own medicine. Admit you were wrong.

No, we already settled it and you couldn't appropriately respond. I already responded to your first post claiming I lacked reading comprehension, go read it and respond to it, otherwise I have no reason to "admit I was wrong".

>I am talking about the raw costs of deterrence

And the death penalty, which is not even an effective deterrent, is costly enough that imprisoning criminals for life is considered a viable alternative. Not just because the execution is "humane", but because more time and effort has to be invested in the case.

>They are relatively uncomfortable but not uncomfortable in an absolute sense.

Because that would be counter productive. Either you're keeping a criminal locked up for the rest of his life, or he becomes mentally unstable, snaps and does something worse than robbery.

>Most people feel the way I do, actually.

Which is why you initially said "why is the whole world cucked"

By most people, you mean the masses. There's not much intellectual merit in appealing to popularity.

>make an antagonist within your own psyche of your own emotions and instincts?

That's hilarious. There's no reasoning to revenge (slow torture to death like you said in your first posts) beyond emotions; it doesn't undo crime, and preventing further crime only requires disabling the criminal or killing him.

>And Democrats, and the refusal by the establishment to allow for reform, and non-whites.

Yes. So you admit that it has nothing to do with the fact that we no longer live in the Middle Ages?

>You think that giving people longer sentences for violent crimes and using the death penalty is barbarity?

Torture is barbarity. Working people to death is barbarity. Longer sentences are necessary. Death penalty isn't barbarity, but it's too complicated to execute appropriately, and it's deterring effect is marginal at best
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>>36055446
It still means fuck all for you because you wont exist dumbass
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>>36055445
Yes, it's called propaganda. The winners write history. If Hitler won, it would be the opposite.

You're a fucking pleb. Germany isn't a good example. They block Hitler videos on YouTube to stop people from finding out that he really wasn't what they painted him to be.
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>>36055142

David Benatar has already addressed why antinatalists don't have to suicide.

"First, it is possible to think that both coming into existence is a serious harm and that death is (usually) a serious harm. Indeed, some people might think that coming into existence is a serious harm in part because the harm of death is then inevitable." -David Benatar

Not making more people is not the same as killing yourself.

In fact, one reason Benatar thinkings making new people is wrong is because death is inevitable. Most people want to avoid dying.

And the idea that all your happiness makes life worth living, that doesn't negate all the pointless suffering in the world (like Ted Bundy's victims).
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>>36055190

Who do lonely NEETs harm? What suffering do lonely NEETs impose on you?

Did someone put a gun to your head to read this thread?
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>>36055408
Because i dont have to you idiot. The fact that its meaningless means i can choose either option and it still wont matter. Is it really this hard for you to grasp?
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>>36055417
There's a 3% chance this little kid eating sand in the playground will be a serial killer
The sensible thing to do is kill it

Sounds retarded
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>>36055520
I never claimed only "happiness" for a start, even the sadness, any and all emotions. As Nietzsche put it best: "Man, as the animal that is most courageous, most accustomed to suffering, does not negate suffering as such: he wants it, even seeks it out, provided one shows him some meaning in it, some wherefore of suffering."

Also, see >>36055376
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>>36055520
Suffering doesn't negate happiness either
I'm pretty sure Bundy's victims thought their lives were worth living
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>>36055273

Is getting murdered by Ted Bundy the "cost" of the ride? Is getting eating alive by Dahmer the cost of the ride?

You have no idea what pain or suffering a baby will suffer before they die, or if they will die a agonizing death.

That's why it's cruel to have kids.

Parents try to prevent harm coming to their kids. But the only 100% guaranteed way to prevent the harm or suffering of children is to not make them.

"What is needed is not happiness, but lack of unhappiness. Procreation expands the horizons of suffering and is therefore ethical misconduct. It provides the space where evil is done." -Miguel Steiner
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>>36055542
>it still wont matter.
Spotted the depressed loser.
see>>36055376
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>>36055556
>3% chance
Then it's not the sensible thing to do, is it, retard?
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>>36055607
>Is getting murdered by Ted Bundy the "cost" of the ride? Is getting eating alive by Dahmer the cost of the ride?

Sometimes it is
It's a gamble
They're as likely to die eaten alive by a freak as they are to die peacefully in their sleep aged 102
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>>36055647
My point exactly you moron

Can't you detect sarcasm over the internet
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>>36055278

No. You read a fucking book.

Better Never To Have Been
Every Cradle Is A Grave
The Temptation to Exist
The Trouble with Being Born
Confessions of an Antinatalist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Antinatalism
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/antinatalism

And no, the idea that making new people (and therefore new suffering, and new death) is wrong does not entail suicide, it entails not having kids.

Having kids leads to more suffering. Not having kids leads to less.
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>>36055622
Lol, theres literally nothing you can do to change the fact that you and your lineage is completely insignificant in the grand scheme. Haha, you're just so mad tho
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>>36055337

The Doomsday Clock is a symbol which represents the likelihood of a global catastrophe. You know, those catastrophes I later posted you fucking mouthbreathing retard?

And yes. It is cruel to have kids. Because you never know what the worst thing to happen to them will be. They could be murdered by Ted Bundy. They could die in a genocide. They could burn alive. They could have childhood cancer. They could be born with a congenital heart defect. They could get hit by a car.

Only moral people realize that making new people leads to new suffering.

You're not moral, you're a dumb breeder, like every cockroach.
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>>36055622
>Spotted the depressed loser.

You still seem to be willfully ignorant that life is meaningless except for the meaning man gives to it. Ultimately our galaxy, our universe will die. The idea is to enjoy the ride for what it's worth, isn't it? You acknowledged yourself this fact that there is no point to life, the point is that there is no point.

You seem to be of this idea that one can't accept these things as universal truths yet you're espousing the same thing. All you've really done is shitpost like a sperg. Yikes, good thing it's an anonymous imageboard.
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>>36055607
You're a fucking retard.
>"Man, as the animal that is most courageous, most accustomed to suffering, does not negate suffering as such: he wants it, even seeks it out, provided one shows him some meaning in it, some wherefore of suffering"
>"The spiritual haughtiness and nausea of every man who has suffered profoundly -- it almost determines the order of rank how profoundly human beings can suffer -- his shuddering certainty, which permeates and colors him through and through, that by virtue of his suffering he knows more than the cleverest and wisest could possibly know, and that he knows his way and has once been 'at home' in many distant, terrifying worlds of which 'you know nothing' -- this spiritual and silent haughtiness of the sufferer, this pride of the elect of knowledge, of the 'initiated,' of the almost sacrificed, finds all kinds of disguises necessary to protect itself against contact with obtrusive and pitying hands and altogether against everything that is not its equal in suffering. Profound suffering makes noble; it separates."

Again with the sophomoric understanding. Low IQ plebs annoy me.
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>>36055376

Or maybe they'll die in their crib of SIDS. Or maybe they'll be kidnapped as a child and decapitated.

You're delusionally optimistic about the future quality of life of your kids.

And no, you won't live on. Because even you'll be in the dirt. Even your genes will go extinct one day. And even you will be forgotten.

Do you know the name of your grandfather that existed 10,000 years ago? No. He's forgotten, just like you will be.

In a million years (or probably even less), it will be like you never existed.
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>>36055446

Several philosophers have argued that life is not worthwhile.

Think of how many chickens you've eaten in your life. Do you think they would consider their lives "worthwhile"?

And not breeding is different than suicide.

By not breeding, someone stands at the end of a 4 billion years of suffering and says no more. This train of suffering going nowhere ends with me.

Besides, I could always have kids later. It wouldn't be moral, but it's possible.
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>>36055469

Hitler is a great example, because Hitler is the first name most people think of when it comes to evil.
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>>36055519

Go back to DailyStormer you fucking moron.

Oh no, a skinhead got triggered because someone called his Fuhrer evil. You goosestepping fag.
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>>36054573
There's a gigantic black hole in the center of the Universe. It is not a port to another parallel universe, as you might think, it is a gigantic black pussy everything that exists is heading to, to orgasmically merge with in the end.

Hehehe. Best joke of the day, wasn't it?
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>>36055607
Are you the guy who made a post about how "procreation should be banned and all children who slip through the cracks terminated" a couple weeks ago? Because I curb-stomped your perspective IIRC.

There is no lack of unhappiness to be aware of if you don't exist. Even terrible suffering is more valuable than non-existence, especially when it's a risk and not an inevitability. Suffering is an inevitability, but it's also what gives value to pleasure and happiness. Disparity and all that. Your ideology is completely irrelevant to the dead and that which doesn't live, it has as much value as the value that the dead gives morality: absolutely none.

It takes a special kind of deranged to favor nothingness, a concept that is completely and utterly foreign to the living.
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>>36055556

There's a chance this kid could be kidnapped and molested. Let's prevent it.

The only 100% guaranteed way to prevent the suffering of children is to not make them. That is why parents are complicit, responsible in the suffering their children face.
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>>36055687
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SUFFERING IS, YOU PLEB CUNT. Stop repeating horse shit "suffering is bad" bullshit. Suffering makes things worthwhile. Suffering doesn't blot out all happiness. It might do in your own world, but not mine or others. I look back on suffering, and smile. Even during suffering, for I know it will cease eventually.
Fuck, don't post if you're fucking retarded.
see>>36055779 and read a fucking different book, idiot.

>>36055704
Meh, you're boring now. You've already been blown the fuck out. Enjoy nothingness pleb. In the meantime, think about killing yourself.

>>36055737
> It is cruel to have kids. Because you never know what the worst thing to happen to them will be
Again, another retard who doesn't understand suffering.
>Only moral people realize that making new people leads to new suffering. You're not moral, you're a dumb breeder, like every cockroach
Nah, I'm just not low IQ enough to not realise that suffering isn't necessarily a bad thing in its entirety. (see>>36055779)
In your world, the chance that they might "suffer" is enough to stop them from experiencing sheer joy, and all other emotions you consider "positive".
Read a book, and don't speak on topic of which you have very little understanding

>>36055789
see>>36055779
and my this entire post above. You don't understand suffering. Also, the SIDS comment is a whole new argument which I definitely don't want to get into.
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>>36055844
>Do you think they would consider their lives "worthwhile"?


I think they would, yes
Every day that satisfied their animal instinct of keeping alive was a worthy day
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>>36055445
You were talking about Hitler having attracted women and lost virginity, not about his posthumous fangirls.

So again, Hitler *is* a bad example, for reasons I already explained. Ted Bundy is universally considered evil which is why it's so shocking to us that women love him; Hitler was not considered evil by germans when he was evil. Full stopl nothing else to argue.
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>>36055916
Fucking emo as all fucking fuck dear lord
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>>36055592
>he wants it, even seeks it out

That doesn't mean he should.

Some people think human suffering is a bad thing.

"It would be better if there were nothing. Since there is more pain than pleasure on earth, every satisfaction is only transitory, creating new desires and new distresses, and the agony of the devoured animal is always far greater than the pleasure of the devourer." -Arthur Schopenhauer

Nietzsche was also insane.
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>>36055922
Lol
>all his children will die
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>>36055844
>Several philosophers have argued that life is not worthwhile.
And, you fucking retard? Several hundred have argued it isn't. 7 billion alive human beings (including you) have in their own way argued that it's worthwhile. You're alive right now. You're proof it's worthwhile. Kill yourself if not.

>Chickens are human now and possess the same self awareness and emotions
You what?

>This train of suffering
Again, another retard who doesn't understand suffering.
Just fuck off and stop posting. Read: >>36055779
and shut the fuck up with the babble
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>>36055952
by germans when he was alive****
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>>36055600

Suffering matters more than happiness. In fact, happiness is largely marked by the absence of suffering, and then some.

Let's ask the parents of all 30+ of Bundy's victims:

"Would you still have your child, knowing that one day Ted Bundy would violently murder them?"
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>>36055886
Someone's upset that Hitler is still considered "great", and he isn't. Aww. I don't even care for Hitler either, it's just the facts of the matter.
You can't handle reality and wish to live within a bubble
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>>36055494
>No, we already settled it...

A lot of handwaving to hide that you claimed I stated something which was never stated.

>And the death penalty, which is not even an effective deterrent
But it is.

>is costly enough that imprisoning criminals for life is considered a viable alternative.

This is a strange argument that liberals take. First they mandate that the death penalty be expensive through allowing countless appeals, then turn around and say that because of their own arbitrary impositions that it is not viable. How about instead we just reform the system and actually kill people who are sentenced to death?

>Either you're keeping a criminal locked up for the rest of his life, or he becomes mentally unstable, snaps and does something worse than robbery.

I don't give a fuck. How much does one .9mm bullet cost? That and some overhead to pay the executioner is all it would take for the majority of violent offenders. Instead they have to be fed, housed, and then released into society worse off than they were before.

>Which is why you initially said "why is the whole world cucked"

Referring to the inaction of the victims' family, not their opinion on the criminal justice system. False equivalence.

>There's not much intellectual merit in appealing to popularity.

So Jew judges and lawyers need to rule over the unwashed goyim with their barbaric vengeful instincts.

>There's no reasoning to revenge (slow torture to death like you said in your first posts) beyond emotions;

This is so farcical. Why do you think we evolved emotions like anger in the first place? You think anger plays no role in how civilization and law has been shaped?I am amazed that you ideologues are so caught up in your cloudy fantasy that you think you can discard human emotion as worthless.

>So you admit that it has nothing to do with the fact that we no longer live in the Middle Ages?
Kill yourself progressivist rat. There's no intellectual merit in appealing to novelty.
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>>36055650
>It's a gamble

And parents gambling with the lives of innocent children makes having children cruel. Especially since nobody consents to being born.
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>>36055974
>That doesn't mean he should

There are no shoulds in life
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>>36055779

All of that are just delusions people invent to find some kind of meaning in suffering, to cope with the inescapable suffering of life. If suffering has no meaning, is suffering has no point, that would be too much to handle.

You can quote Nietzsche all you want, but my IQ is also higher than yours, kiddo. Nietzche also went mad.
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>>36056031
>"Would you still have your child, knowing that one day Ted Bundy would violently murder them?"


I honestly think they would say yes
And they would value the happy moments before their demise even more
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anyone know any good serial killer docs?
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>>36056060
I'd say it makes it risky, not cruel
Cruelty takes intent
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>>36048924
Jordan Peterson said it best, women want dangerous men and utterly despise harmless men and even seek to destroy them. Their ideal is a civilized dangerous man, but they are willing to civilize him themselves if need be.
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>>36055908

You didn't "curbstomp" anything. I didn't say procreation should be banned, procreation provides the space where evil is done.

If you don't procreate, then no evil can be done to your children. If you don't procreate, then no suffering can befall your children. If you don't procreate, you have led to one less death.

I don't know how you can say that even terrible suffering is more valuable than non-existence. That fact that people kill themselves refutes that right away.

"It would be better if there were nothing. Since there is more pain than pleasure on earth, every satisfaction is only transitory, creating new desires and new distresses, and the agony of the devoured animal is always far greater than the pleasure of the devourer." -Arthur Schopenhauer

That's not deranged. It's totally logical.

It's the breeders who are hopelessly, optimistically, delusional.
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>>36055974
>That doesn't mean he should.
Lmao, you what now?

>Some people think human suffering is a bad thing.
Some people like to eat shit. What is your fucking point?

Also,
>quoting Schopenhauer out of context
Nice try, retard, but The World As Will (his most revered work) literally goes against the out of context quote.

>Nietzsche was also insane.
What the fuck are you talking about moron?
He was a highly respected lecturer and the youngest ever chair of classical philology at the university of Basel at 24.
He went "insane" some time later due to apparent medical issues
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>>36055987
No argument

>>36056109
>All of that are just delusions people invent
Yes, everyone else must be delusional but now you who believes everything is worthless and pointless yet is still alive, still continues to feed himself, still continues to laugh, smile, cry, argue, etc. You're the Dunning-Kruger effect in motion
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>>36055779
>tfw life has been nothing but suffering and now I am truly enlightened

feels good man
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>>36055922

You don't seem to understand what suffering is. Excruciating pain is suffering. Being murdered by Ted Bundy is suffering. Even being bored is suffering. Everyone thinks suffering is bad. Not getting what you want is suffering.

And no, suffering does not make things worthwhile. People carry on in spite of suffering, in the face of suffering.

If you got your arms blown off in Iraq, would you look back on suffering and smile? No, you'd have PTSD and be traumatize for life.

Do you think suffering is a paper cut?

And I'm not retarded, I'm smarter than you, and I've thought about this more.

>Nah, I'm just not low IQ enough to not realise that suffering isn't necessarily a bad thing in its entirety.

So go stick your hand in a fire right now. Oh wait, you won't? Wait, but I thought "suffering isn't necessarily a bad thing"?

>In your world, the chance that they might "suffer" is enough to stop them from experiencing sheer joy, and all other emotions you consider "positive".

Yes, because some people figure that joy never outweighs suffering.

Say you have a baby and it dies a day later. Was its life worth it?

>Read a book, and don't speak on topic of which you have very little understanding

I've read plenty of books. Read Better Never to Have Been. The arguments are all laid out.

>You don't understand suffering.

You seem to think suffering is necessary. No, suffering only exists because lifeforms keep having offspring.
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>>36055929

Chickens live in battery cages where they can barely move. You're just ignorant.

Why would animals in captivity try to kill themselves? Because they think continuing to live is worth it?
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>>36055952

When people think evil, they think Hitler before they think Ted Bundy.

And no, it's not shocking that women love evil men, once you finally swallow the redpill and understand the true nature of women, and the millions of years of evolution that led to women.
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>>36056382
Stress response? Fuck if I know mate
I don't think caged chickens are making rational choices about their condition
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>A lot of handwaving to hide that you claimed I stated something which was never stated.

You're either doing this on purpose or you're legitimately dumb. Here's the post: >>36053424

>But it is.

I'm convinced.

>because of their own arbitrary impositions

Without those impositions, the enforcers of the death penalty risk becoming murderers, ie. no better than the criminal you target. Do you really think men haven't been mistakenly executed in the past?

>How much does one .9mm bullet cost? That and some overhead to pay the executioner is all it would take for the majority of violent offenders

I wasn't aware there was a ".9 milimiter" caliber. Dumbass. No, it also requires extensive trial. If you don't believe in any kind of trial, legal system, or "guilty until proven innocent", then you're on the same level as a caveman and I've been wasting my time.

>So Jew judges and lawyers need to rule over the unwashed goyim with their barbaric vengeful instincts.

You know jackshit about the motivation of the Jews and how they're really ruining the West.

>Why do you think we evolved emotions like anger in the first place?

To assert yourself. To be aggressive is to channel your fear or grief into action. It's just another defense mechanism. An obsolete, retarded one that we can only live with.

>There's no intellectual merit in appealing to novelty.

Did novelty produce Western supremacy?
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>>36056278
>no grandchildren
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>>36056343
I was beaten and abused by my parents on a regular basis as a child. The abuse was both verbal, physical and pyschological. It was a living hell, and my only solace was my sheer unshakeable willpower to resist them and come out on top.

I wouldn't change my childhood or how I grew up for the world. Those events, that suffering, they forged and defined me. Without them I'd just be a random shmuck. Greatness can only be forged from the fires of adversity. Pain is the great creator, the great motivator, the great producer.

Go fucking kill yourself you cucked pampered whinyboi

"MUHH SUFFERING BOOO HOOO"
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>>36055966

If parents didn't have kids, emos wouldn't exist.

If someone doesn't procreate, their children can't be cutters.

The only 100% guaranteed way to prevent the suffering of children is to not have them. That is a truth that cannot be refuted. So a person who never has kids is even more moral than a firefighter who saves a kid from a burning building. It was the parents' actions that allowed a child to be in a burning building in the first place, in harm's way.
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>>36056461
>came straight from his ass the post

Yea sure thing guy
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>>36056472
"oh geez my kids might not be happy 100% of the time better make sure they never feel anything at all"

If emos have such bad lives they should kill themselves and then no more suffering. It's that simple. you cucks simply don't have the strength to live in this world
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>>36056334
Pretty much.

>>36056343
>You don't seem to understand what suffering is.
Repeating what I said to you. You'll find it's you who doesn't understand suffering. All of your examples posted below are something a fucking retard would come up with, since they can be explained away relatively easily. For example:

>And no, suffering does not make things worthwhile.
Simply incorrect. I say it does, the way the human brain deals with emotion says it does.

>would you look back on suffering and smile?
Difficult to say. It may have brought with it a lesson, and therefore meaning, and therefore it cannot possibly have been entirely bad. Next question.

>joy never outweighs suffering.
[citation needed]

>I've read plenty of books
>David Benatar
LMAO, okay mate. Good luck with that.

>You seem to think suffering is necessary. No, suffering only exists because lifeforms keep having offspring.
Suffering is necessary. Suffering is required for balance.
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>>36056193
>If you don't procreate, then no suffering can befall your children.

Completely irrelevant. How many times do I have to say it? Antinatalism is not moral, it's throwing away EVERYTHING, including morality, suffering and even non-existence itself. You can't be aware of your own non-existence. Get it through your head.

>That fact that people kill themselves refutes that right away.

People kill themselves when they want to put a stop to the suffering, not put a stop to their existence. The difference might not sink in for you, but eventually it will.

I refuse to believe Schopenhauer said something as idiotic as that quote.

>It's the breeders who are hopelessly, optimistically, delusional.

Or you're hopelessly pessimistic and dysfunctional, since you're one of very few human beings out of billions, who lack the capacity of comprehending and appreciating the value of suffering and existence.
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>>36056527
Oh geez look what I pulled out of my ass
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>>36055989
>7 billion alive human beings (including you) have in their own way argued that it's worthwhile. You're alive right now. You're proof it's worthwhile. Kill yourself if not.

7 billion humans exist but they didn't consent to being born. They're alive because someone else decided to make them. They're weren't born because they chose to be born, they were born because someone else chose it.

And not wanting to make new kids and therefore new pain and suffering and death does not entail suicide, it entails not having kids.

>Chickens are human now and possess the same self awareness and emotions

Chickens can suffer. Most vertebrates can suffer. That's something humans have in common with other animals, their ability to suffer.

Is your existence worth the suffering of hundreds, thousands of other animals? Why?

>Again, another retard who doesn't understand suffering.

What do you think suffering is?

But speaking of retards, do you think a retard suffers? Do you think it's moral for parents to give birth to retards?
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>>36056382
>Chickens live in battery cages where they can barely move. You're just ignorant.
So do human beings.
You're still here. You haven't killed yourself. You haven't chose to not feed yourself.

Chickens don't think like humans, nor do they have the capacity to understand complex emotion like a human.
Fuck off you psuedo-intellectual retard

You don't understand suffering
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>handsome

Am I the only one who thought his charisma masked his looks?

He had the generic white male look of his time which to be fair made him more deadly of course.
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>>36056035

Wow, you just confirmed you escaped from Stormfront you pathetic piece of shit. Let me know when you fire up the ovens again, bro!

You argue like a nigger. Niggers often think criticism is only due to jealousy.

No, some people criticize others based on moral standards.

Would I like to be as "great" as Hitler? No. He's widely considered the most evil man who ever lived for a reason. Although Stalin did kill more people.

Anyway, while you were jerking off to your Nazi flag, the point is that women don't care if a guy is evil. In fact, it often works in his favor.
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>>36056343
Refute this: If the human brain is not equipped to make suffering worthwhile, why did evolution not remedy to that or simply snuff out all lifeforms out of existence?

Good luck
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>>36056065

There are shoulds in life. There are no shoulds in evolution.

Evolution doesn't think you "should" suffer, it just happens. But most people think they should avoid suffering, and they do. Because pain receptors evolved, and adrenaline evolved, to avoid suffering.
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>>36056461
Good post. You get it anon.

>"but, my brother, if you would be a star, you must not shine less for them"
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>>36055989
Be honest, the real reason you shill so hard for procreation isnt to do with some deluded sense of moral high ground but its because you just want to irresponsibly flay your sploog here and there because thats just what dumb lesser evolved animals are programmed to do.
You really dont have an argument, your words are so blatantly vacant of meaningful content that all i get out of your post is name calling.

You have a feeble mind
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>>36056578
How can you be this stupid?

The nature of our world is one of extremes. An extreme cannot exist without and opposite. The very most basic structure of our world is built upon positives and negatives.

That duality reflects itself upon the human experience. There can be no pleasure without pain. No joy without despair. A good thing can only be given context by existing in a world full of evil. These are the roots, the very foundation of our world. If suffering didn't exist, if people didn't suffer, nothing would exist. Nobody would ever feel the joy of holding their newborn babe in their arms. They'd never feel the pride of watching them grow up into a great man. The price of joy is paid by all those who suffer, and I believe that anyone who has ever glimpsed true happiness will agree with me when I say it is a price well worth paying.

You literally are too much of a chickenshit to exist in this universe. Kill yourself please.
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>>36056111

Then that makes them horrible people. To willingly sacrifice a child to Ted Bundy. To selfishly make a child, knowing their agonizing fate.

"If a child, for whose existence I was responsible, were to ask me why he or she were here, what happens after death, whether I could guarantee he or she would not suffer a fate like that Furuta Junko suffered in 1988/89 (please look it up, as there's no room to describe it), what would I say? To me, the fact I have no answers that would not be guesswork, evasion or dogma indicates that having children is selfish and cruel." -Quentin S. Crisp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta
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>>36056556
That pic means balls to me wtf is it even?
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>>36056170

Sex is an intentional act. Bringing a pregnancy to term is an intentional act.
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>>36056417
Do you even read my fucking posts? Jesus fucking Christ.

I'll try one last time. You said "wow even Hitler lost his virginity". Why it's not shocking: he was not considered evil when he was alive, even if he might have been.

Ted Bundy attracted women. Why it was shocking: people saw him for who he was, an evil killer with no motivation besides his sexual satisfaction.

I'm not going to repeat it again, so if you still don't understand, don't bother replying
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>>36056692
I think it's horrible to think everything these people experienced was worthless and meant nothing to them because of the way they died
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>>36056438
was a reply to >>36056049
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>>36056714
But the intention is to give life
Not to have horrible things happen to said life
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>>36056560
You still haven't addressed your lack of understanding in regard to suffering.
We can't start asking other random bullshit questions until it's been established, idiot.
You keep repeating "muuhhhu but they SUFFER!", as if it in any way proves anything. All it proves is that they felt discomfort, but suffering isn't entirely negative, as has been stated numerous fucking times now. You're unwilling to accept this because you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

Read a fucking book
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>>36056705
I was like 9 when I wrote and signed this along with my older brother. It's a contract to get my parents to uncancel my little brother's birthday and not smash his presents.

The beatings weren't working so they cancelled our 3 year old brother's birthday and making this contract promising to do exactly everything they asked was the only way we could get them to not smash his presents and give him a birthday


I have suffered, anon.
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>>36055140

Modern day science will debunk hedonism

Herp derp I do drugs and my brain reaches homeostasis now I'm miserable and post on 4chan all day
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>>36056609
He's quite clearly classically handsome. He looked like the movie stars of the day. Even now, he's still handsome. Good angular features, strong jaw, etc.
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>>36056614
>Wow, you just confirmed you escaped from Stormfront you pathetic piece of shit.
top bait

>You argue like a nigger.
lmao

>Would I like to be as "great" as Hitler? No
because you're weak
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>all the spooks in this thread
>all the outright misinformation about crime and punishment in this thread
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>>36056211
>Lmao, you what now?

If "man" really does want suffering, if man really does seek it out, that's doesn't mean he should, that doesn't mean that's the best state of things, that doesn't mean that's the best scenario. The question is why? Since people continue to have kids, that seems why man wants suffering, seeks suffering.

>Some people like to eat shit. What is your fucking point?

The percentage of people who think human suffering is bad is probably close to 100%.

The percentage of people who like to eat shit is probably less than 1%.

>Nice try, retard, but The World As Will (his most revered work) literally goes against the out of context quote.

No it doesn't.

"And to this world, to this scene of tormented and agonised beings, who only continue to exist by devouring each other, in which, therefore, every ravenous beast is the living grave of thousands of others, and its self-maintenance is a chain of painful deaths; and in which the capacity for feeling pain increases with knowledge, and therefore reaches its highest degree in man, a degree which is the higher the more intelligent the man is; to this world it has been sought to apply the system of optimism, and demonstrate to us that it is the best of all possible worlds. The absurdity is glaring." -Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, Vol 1

Please do try to know the what the fuck you're talking about before calling other people retards.
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it pisses me off that such an interesting thread has devolved into monkeys throwing shit.

post orig content and source material pls thnx
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>>36056278

You're putting words in my mouth. Where did I say "everything is worthless and pointless." I said breeding is largely pointless, because humanity will eventually go extinct.

And again, because you don't fucking get it, here is what Benatar says about suicide:

"First, it is possible to think that both coming into existence is a serious harm and that death is (usually) a serious harm. Indeed, some people might think that coming into existence is a serious harm in part because the harm of death is then inevitable." -David Benatar

>You're the Dunning-Kruger effect in motion

No, a good analogy would be cockroaches. The dumbest animals are mindless breeders.

Only a species of high intelligence could be able to step back from all the pointless breeding and consider whether creating new people is moral and ethical. It is not. Creating a new person gives them a death sentence.
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mangos man
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>>36056656
t. Low IQ pleb
You don't even know which posts are mine, you autistic retard. Name calling is by the by.

See: >>36055779
You don't understand "suffering", so we can't proceed any further. In your world, the chance that they might "suffer" is enough. You may aswell be brain dead! ;)
get it?! cos' nothing matters, dude, like, nothing matters maan!

>>36056656
>An extreme cannot exist without and opposite
Thanks for explaining why suffering is necessary
>If suffering didn't exist, if people didn't suffer, nothing would exist.
I agree with this, moron?

I think you replied to the wrong person
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>>36056425

Facing a life of captivity, suicide is often a rational means of escape. Suicide puts an end to suffering.
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>>36056899
wait did I reply to the wrong person and then you replied to me replying to you who was the wrong person but you replied to a person who wasn't me while doing this

whad the fug
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>>36056461

You're not great, just another abused kid. You tell yourself that "greatness can only be forged from the fires of adversity" to rationalize the living hell you went through.

If I want to kill myself one day, I will.

Funny how a "great" person like yourself cries about other people not killing themselves.

>HE WON'T KILL HIMSELF BOO HOO
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>>36048852
>He kidnapped two women separately and made one watch while he fucked and killed the other one.

Bullshit. Bundy never said what he did with those girls.
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>>36056835
>The percentage of people who think human suffering is bad is probably close to 100%.
OBVIOUSLY MADE UP ON THE SPOT BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY THINK OF IT.
SUFFERING IS NECESSARY FOR ALL LIFE ON EARTH, FOR EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS.
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL, YOU UTTER MORON.

Without suffering, there would be no happiness.

>Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as...
That doesn't prove your point you fucking idiot. He's simply stating that people do suffer profoundly, but he isn't making a case for it being worthless anyhow. Try again, you dunce
>Not understand the philosopher you're quoting
Lmao

>Please do try to know the what the fuck you're talking about before calling other people retards.
You are without a doubt, fucking retarded. You are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger
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>>36056967
You are so fucking stupid i cant even..
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>>36056895
Not him but I'll reply anyway

>Where did I say "everything is worthless and pointless."

You don't need to. Man is not involved in anything beyond the grasp of his own existence, so if breeding is pointless, then everything is pointless. If you wish to have never been born, then you wish to have never existed, and that's something you can't even conceive, nor can anyone else.

>consider whether creating new people is moral and ethical.

If you separate yourself from the concept of existence, then ethics have no place anywhere. Ethics are a human concept, they do not exist outside of human minds with which to understand and apply them.
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>>36056531

If you don't make kids, they cannot suffer. Period.

Parents will go out of their way to prevent suffering to their children. But there is only one way to prevent all suffering to their children. Not have them.

Plus, suicide can be a traumatic thing. Thinking about it, planning it.

You must be 13-years-old if you think all antinatalist authors are "emos."

To not have kids means no more suffering for your line. When humanity goes extinct, and it will, there will be no more human suffering. But other animals will continue to suffer, and eat each other alive, etc.

If you had such a good life, you wouldn't tell people to kill themselves. So your life must suck pretty bad huh?

Every suicide bomber has more courage than every person who keeps on living.
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>>36056983
I'm not a "great" person, not yet anyway. We'll see if I'm strong enough to survive. Suffering is like a cleansing fire, burning away impurities. Those who are weak and suffer will be destroyed. Those who are strong will come out the other side even stronger than before.

I'm still young, and I haven't had the opportunity to prove myself yet, but I am working steadily towards my goals. The greatest thing my suffering has given me is a true perspective. Nobody who has not suffered will ever truly understand what joy feels like.
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>>36056895
>breeding is largely pointless, because humanity will eventually go extinct.
Because you're a dunce. I've addressed this way back in the thread numerous times. All you keep doing is repeating the same statement repeatedly.

>And again, because you don't fucking get it, here is what Benatar says about suicide:
I don't give a fuck what Benatar says, that is only his opinion, you fucking idiot.
He's an antinatalist, of course he's going to say that, you dimwitted cunt. Jesus...

>The dumbest animals are mindless breeders
The dumbest animals are the ones that don't breed at all

>Only a species of high intelligence could be able to step back from all the pointless breeding and consider whether creating new people is moral and ethical. It is not. Creating a new person gives them a death sentence.
[citation needed]

Plebs can't into argument. Read a book. Just repeating something doesn't make it true ya know. Try again
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>>36057056
suicide isn't traumatic after you're dead you retard

To not have kids means you deny them the choice. Whether you are happy or sad, whether you feel joy or sadness is regulate by your environment and the choices you make. You can lift yourself out of suffering and find joy, find meaning. By not having kids you are denying your potential children the human experience. The love, the hate, the joy, the despair and everything inbetween.

The entire crux of your argument seems to be that existance is pain but if you truly believed that you'd go on a murder spree in a hospital to kill as many babies and pregnant mothers as possible before killing yourself.

That is how you prevent suffering

But you're just an edgy fag who doesn't believe what he's saying
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>>36056539
>You'll find it's you who doesn't understand suffering.

So explain suffering. You think suffering is a good thing? So cut your hand off. Oh, you won't? You think it's a bad thing? Okay then. Just checking.

>Simply incorrect. I say it does, the way the human brain deals with emotion says it does.

So if someone skinned you alive, that would make your life more worthwhile?

The brain can rationalize a lot of shit, like "this suffering must have meaning." Because it's horrifying to consider that suffering could be pointless.

>[citation needed]

Say one day you eat a slice of cake. Say the next day you get doused with gasoline and burned alive? Was that cake worth it?

>LMAO, okay mate. Good luck with that.

Benatar is one of the leading authors on antinatalism. What books do you want me to read that argue that suffering is a good thing?

Some shitty sports book ghostwritten to say how some jock worked really hard one season and he really learned a lot?

>Suffering is necessary. Suffering is required for balance.

So suffering is required on Mars for "balance"? We need to export suffering to Mars?
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>>36057023
I bet you've lived a relatively comfortable priviledged life huh? It explains how oblivious and callous you are to the suffering of other beings. Its people like you who sit there fat asses behind their desktop at home in your cozy little suburb proclaiming how wonderful life is because you just got so lucky didnt you? You couldnt withstand suffering, you would crumple because you are weak and have had very little exposure to pain.
Its people like you i get excited when tragedy strikes. I hope you suffer alot in life, i just hope
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>>36053504
>There are 0 beta serial killers

David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) was pretty beta.
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>>36057175
>when you're so retarded you wish the universe had never existed because occasionally people are uncomfortable
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>>36057056
If you don't have kids, they cannot be. A mentally balanced person who is not obsessed with suffering will think this before "if you don't make kids, they can't be eaten alive by hyenas"

If you're the person I think you are, you said in a previous thread that the only way to justify breeding is to ensure, without any doubt, that the offspring experiences constant never-ending bliss and never dies. The fact that you don't see the neurological and psychological impossibility of actually *enjoying* uninterrupted pleasure is astounding, and points to your having a severe mental handicap
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>>36057154
Good post lad.
Most of these nihilistic faggots are just depressed themselves and therefore fall into, "everything is worthless in the end anyway", yada yada.

They are inflicting their own personal experience of being and suffering upon their unborn/non-existent child. If they were forever happy, they would have children no doubt, since in their mind there would be no reason not to... but since in their experience, "life is suffering", they believe the opposite. It's a truly worm-like way to live a life, but each to their own
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>>36052506
What you are trying to say is he has a big cock.
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>>36057249
precisely. Only the weak who cannot endure suffering and come out from in the better fall into the trap of nihilism and thinking like this.


You have to be practical. We live in this world. We only have one life. We live in a world where things are not given to you, you must fight for them, work for them, create them, take them. Suffering is the motivation given to men in order to better themselves. You suffer without a GF so you want one. You suffer at a low income so you seek a better job.

Suffering is literally the base reason for all of civilization's advancements- they are all made to lessen and relieve suffering. Without the motivation of suffering, we would all still be flinging poo like monkies.

The weak are those who choose to let the suffering become overwhelming.

The strong are those who let it motivate and shape them into someone who is no longer suffering. It's another aspect of natural selection.
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>>36057233
Yup, priviledged suburban fatass.
You have less value than people who live worse off lives than you, atleast they have fortitude, strength. And when did i say i wish the universe didnt exist? And why do you have frog pictures saved on your harddrive?
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>>36056550
>Antinatalism is not moral, it's throwing away EVERYTHING, including morality, suffering and even non-existence itself. You can't be aware of your own non-existence.

Antinatalism is moral, because those who don't have kids prevent future suffering.

That's what it means to be moral, preventing suffering. When a firefighter saves someone from a burning building, when a surgeon removes a tumor, when a bodyguard takes a bullet for someone, they are preventing suffering. Those are heroic acts. Morally good.

Some people have simply figured that it's better to never be born, than to be born, suffer, and die.

Yes, people can't be aware of their own non-existence. That's why non-existent people aren't deprived of happiness or joy.

>People kill themselves when they want to put a stop to the suffering, not put a stop to their existence.

They end both, their suffering and their existence.

You said "Even terrible suffering is more valuable than non-existence." But people willingly end their existence to escape suffering. Showing they do value non-existence more than terrible suffering.

>I refuse to believe Schopenhauer said something as idiotic as that quote.

But it's true. "the agony of the devoured animal is always far greater than the pleasure of the devourer." That is why Schopenhauer said it would be better if there was nothing.

>Or you're hopelessly pessimistic and dysfunctional, since you're one of very few human beings out of billions, who lack the capacity of comprehending and appreciating the value of suffering and existence.

Most breeders don't think too much when they have kids, they mindlessly do what their parents did.

"If our lives are quite as bad as I shall still suggest they are, and if people were prone to see this true quality of their lives for what it is, they might be much more inclined to kill themselves, or at least not to produce more such lives. Pessimism, then, tends not to be naturally selected." -David Benatar
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>>36057354
nigga if you had lived my life the last thing you'd be calling me is priveleged

So are you one of those anti suffering cucks or not? Suffering is the greatest thing in the world t.b.h.
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that's nice,
I got two felony convictions for possession of hash (2 grams) and xanax (30 pills) while having no prior record
the judge and my lawyer berated me and called me an idiot
american judicial system is something else
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>>36057378
if I didn't exist I would be pretty sad

not existing is the ultimate suffering

checkmate antinalitist
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>>36057395
ahahhaha fucking druggie faggot

ahahaha

like nigga how the fuck are drug charges real just don't do drugs nigga hahahah
rot in prison you faggot degenerate ahahhahah
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>>36057167
>So explain suffering.
A necessary counter-balance to sheer joy and happiness. What else? Yin and yang, ya know!

>The brain can rationalize a lot of shit, like "this suffering must have meaning." Because it's horrifying to consider that suffering could be pointless.
Yeah it CAN, it's possible, but I can also piss in my own mouth. They have about the same level of relevancy to this argument.
Until you can prove that the brain did this, then don't post it, retard.

>Say one day you eat a slice of cake. Say the next day you get doused with gasoline and burned alive? Was that cake worth it?
These are the fucking plebs I'm arguing with?
Fuck this
You're unironically too stupid to waste time on.
Read more, that is all
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>>36057353
Blah blah blah we get it, you love having children, good for you but why are you so engrossed in anonymous strangers and whether they have children or not? You type all of this high and mighty "only the strong survive" narrative but i bet you arent as strong as you think you. You havent gone through shit, the tone of your posts make this clear that you just enjoy talking shit and gloating about how lucky you got in life and kids and family and blah blah blah fuck off
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>>36057175
All of that projection and conjecture, mate.

...Meanwhile he wants everyone to die because suffering is too bad for him to have children and he can't handle it
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>>36057378
>oh boy I have a cramp in my arm
>better cut off my arm and the arms of every single child ever born
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>>36057390
>nigga

We black now and shieet

Dumb motherfucker, you have no idea what suffering is you weak ass bitch i wish i could show you
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>>36056578
>So do human beings.

Sure, some humans do live in solitary confinement in extremely small cells. And that kind of environment makes people want to kill themselves. It's basically torture.

>You're still here. You haven't killed yourself.

That would lead to suffering in people around me. It's traumatic when a friend or family member kills themself.

"First, it is possible to think that both coming into existence is a serious harm and that death is (usually) a serious harm. Indeed, some people might think that coming into existence is a serious harm in part because the harm of death is then inevitable." -David Benatar

>Chickens don't think like humans, nor do they have the capacity to understand complex emotion like a human.

Maybe not, but they can suffer, and feel suffering, and wish to avoid it.

>Fuck off you psuedo-intellectual retard

You must be 16-year-old, I swear.

>You don't understand suffering

You don't, if you think humans are the only animals that suffer. Other animals are fellows in suffering, we are all stuck in the same boat.

Although Schopenhauer did believe that the smartest humans suffer the most.

"Nature shows that with the growth of intelligence comes increased capacity for pain, and it is only with the highest degree of intelligence that suffering reaches its supreme point." -Arthur Schopenhauer
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>>36057468
anon do you want me to greentext my life story for you because it was pretty much 80% pure suffering and pain until I was 17

I don't care if you don't want to have kids. I care about how stupid your reasons are for not having kids

>I fell and broke my arm, therefore no human should ever have been born with arms

fuck off idiot
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>>36057438
:I i guess the government and weak weebs want to enforce meaningless rules
maybe one day anime and vidya will become illegal too
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>>36057482
Nope i just want you to die because you are fucking stupid and annoying. Please jump infront of a bus or something
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>>36057504
oppression olympics are retarded and I refuse to participate in them
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>>36057438
Kill yourself, pussy autist
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>>36057482
>conjecture
>projection
Nice memery you faggot
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>>36057545
>maybe one day anime and vidya will become illegal too

god I hope so

the butthurt on here the day that happens will be a glory to behold

meanwhile I'll be all smug over at /out/ finishing the final touches on my innawoods cabin
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>>36057567
awww did the little druggie get anngwyy

why don't you smoke some more drugs to make those feelings go away

why deal with your problems when you can just do DRUGS like a faggot degenerate
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>>36057562
>refuse to participate
>replies anyway

:-)
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>>36056631
>Refute this: If the human brain is not equipped to make suffering worthwhile, why did evolution not remedy to that or simply snuff out all lifeforms out of existence?

The human brain can make believe all kinds of things, probably to avoid the bleak reality of human suffering.

Evolution does not select for pessimism, it selects for optimism.

Every mother must be optimistic about the future of her offspring. Even a female turtle who leaves eggs buried on the beach, and they scurry back to the ocean and avoid being eaten by birds.

"If our lives are quite as bad as I shall still suggest they are, and if people were prone to see this true quality of their lives for what it is, they might be much more inclined to kill themselves, or at least not to produce more such lives. Pessimism, then, tends not to be naturally selected." -David Benatar

Your parents were delusional optimists, and their parents before them, and their parents before them, going back 4 billion years.

People reproduce because it feels good. Not because they think about the potential suffering of their offspring (which they are ultimately responsible for).
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>>36057354
Not an argument. Attack the point, not the personage, you fucking dunce.

>>36057468
Attack the point, not the personage.
Not an argument, you low IQ fuck.

>>36057507
>you think humans are the only animals that suffer. Other animals are fellows in suffering, we are all stuck in the same boat.
If you think a Human and a Chicken understand suffering in the same way, then you are beyond saving.

>Schopenhauer did believe that the smartest humans suffer the most.
Yeah, this isn't doing anything to prove your point, moron. I'd agree with this point. But it has nothing to do with this, again. That's maybe the third time you've quoted someone else when it wasn't necessary or relevant. You're a pseudo-intellectual, it's quite clear. You have no real understanding.

I won't be responding
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>>36057378
>Some people have simply figured that it's better to never be born, than to be born, suffer, and die.

If they were never born, they would not be around to reach that conclusion. Besides, if you could "reset" someone's life and make some small changes, those small changes can completely turn that perspective around. Could be a change in one's childhood, environment, experiences, education, genes, etc.

You're not antinatalist because your particular existence made you into a rational thinker by pure chance: You simply have a strong bias against suffering and lack the basic understanding of the duality of existence.

>They end both, their suffering and their existence.

When one is pushed to suicide by suffering, they will disregard rationality and their focus will shift to their suffering, and not their existence. People willingly end their existence, but not consciously. Because non-existence is not preferable to existence. And the reason I said terrible suffering is more valuable than non-existence is because one is short term while the other is permanent and cannot be compensated for.

>Most breeders don't think too much when they have kids, they mindlessly do what their parents did.

And I suppose lemmings are super-intelligent, right?
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>>36057579
good luck with your inawoods plan
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>>36057575
>Nice memery you faggot
Nice what?
Again, literal retards on computers
Read a book
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>>36056729
>You said "wow even Hitler lost his virginity".

No I didn't.

But keep letting the point fly over your head.
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>>36057538
>until i was 17
You fucking crybaby little weak faggot there are people who suffer until the day they DIE
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>>36048640
>and 1 man

Who was that
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>>36057604
>I will not do: x
>said something in response so he did it anyway

are you retarded

>>36057630
I don't plan on selling guns
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>>36056741
>I think it's horrible to think everything these people experienced was worthless and meant nothing to them because of the way they died

Do you think it was "worthless" and "meant nothing to them" because I've argued no such thing.

I'm saying it would have been better if they never suffered like that. If their parents never made them, they wouldn't have suffered like that.
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>>36057605
I'm not that guy but...
Again, you failed to answer the guys question.
And of course, you quoted Benatar once more, for that extra flair of "authenticity", because it can't be for relevancy.

You might be the biggest pseudo-intellectual I've ever seen posting on 4chan. You just make shit up as you go along, lmao.
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You guys miss the entire point though

Granted, yeah it's odd that girls adore serial killers but this is a very small percentage of women

Girls do like manly men but take for example Benedict Cumberpatch. This guy looks fucking shit, is the antithesis of a manly man and look how many girls there are that would immediately open their legs for him and he literally wouldn't have to do a single thing

TL;Dr women are weird as fuck, they're attracted to really weird shit
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>>36057636
>MUHH OPRESSION OLYMPICSS MUH AFRICAN CHILDRENNN
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>>36057656
>suspected of selling guns
>acquitted
you're going to get btfo inawoods faggot
you need to stay in society and pay taxes
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>>36056766

To be alive means horrible things can happen to you.

To give life, without guaranteeing to a child that horrible things won't happen to them, is cruel.
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>>36057605
>The human brain can make believe all kinds of things, probably to avoid the bleak reality of human suffering.

Or blow it out of proportion, like your brain is doing. Instead of projecting your view on such a grand scale, why don't you settle on the fact that it would have been preferable that YOU in particular should have never be born?
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>>36057689
To not give life on the off chance that something bad might happen is cruel
Also
>Doesn't understand that suffering is necessary
Discarded
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>>36057687
they'll have to find me before they can shoot me
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>>36056771

You haven't defined suffering, or what I don't understand about it.

You say suffering isn't entirely negative, based on what? So cut off your hands right now. You won't? That shows you think suffering is negative.

What is positive about suffering? You think what doesn't kill you makes you stronger? No, usually it slowly lowers your quality of life more and more, until you eventually die and suffer no more.

What's the book you'd like me to read that praises suffering, Poindexter?
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>>36057615
The 'point' was addressed. Simply, there wasnt a point because words were quoted that i didnt say, so he defeated his own purpose with his response. Also, AHAHAHAHA
wow you are upset over nothing lol
Get fucked asshole, your life is shit and your childrens life is shit and they will die anyway because of your selfish faggot ass decided you wanted someone to carry on your insignificant legacy. You are hopeless, your cause is one of futility; which is why its so fucking FUNNY
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>>36056814

Oh look, a Stormfag who wants to suck Hitler's big strong cock. You escaped your containment website you bootlicking faggot.
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>>36057723
shouldn't be a problem
you wouldn't survive two days without your 2d gf
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>>36057633
Alright, fuck you, I'm going against my word.

I'm not arguing whether women are or aren't attracted to evil. But you would have noticed, if your brain functioned properly

What you said is "Even Hitler had a girlfriend", but it doesn't matter. The point remains the same whether we're talking about gf or virginity, you hopeless fucking idiot. Honestly, get help. Your level of stupidity is staggering. You literally have the intelligence of algae and you should be concerned.
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>>36057727
Suffering is an unavoidable facet of life, reality and existence. So long pleasure exists, so will pain. Because we are in a world where suffering and death cannot be avoided, life forms are selected and formed by suffering. It is used as a furnace to prevent those who cannot survive from procreating.

This is why suffering is positive. If you live in this world and have never suffered, you will never be able to survive once you've left the shelter that was protecting you from that suffering. Those who suffer, and survive it, master it, they are the ones who shape our world.

btw you're gay
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>>36048640
>escape from maximum security prison

m8 it was regular ol' jail
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>>36057023
>SUFFERING IS NECESSARY FOR ALL LIFE ON EARTH, FOR EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS.

Oh really? Because sponges are living things and have no nervous system. So no, suffering is not "necessary" for all life on Earth.

And to think that what exists now, is "necessary" is just wrong.

>Without suffering, there would be no happiness.

Wrong again. Dopamine leads to happiness. Suffering largely comes from pain receptors.

>He's simply stating that people do suffer profoundly, but he isn't making a case for it being worthless anyhow.

When have I said worthless? Schopenhauer said it would be better if there was nothing.

"All striving comes from lack, from a dissatisfaction with one's condition, and is thus suffering as long as it is not satisfied; but no satisfaction is lasting; instead, it is only the beginning of a new striving. We see striving everywhere inhibited in many ways, struggling everywhere; and thus always suffering; there is no final goal of striving, and therefore no bounds or end to suffering." -Arthur Schopenhauer

>Lmao

I don't think you can read.

>You are without a doubt, fucking retarded. You are the epitome of Dunning-Kruger

Now I'm staring to think you're a bot. Stupid people are too stupid to know they're stupid, and love to call people smarter then them retards, because they're too stupid to realize how much they don't know.
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>>36048664
>did he get executed?
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>>36057801
>he thinks I watch anime

I'm not a fucking gay nigger anon
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>>36057717
>to not give life is cruel
To whom?
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>>36057727
>You haven't defined suffering, or what I don't understand about it.
Because it's too complex to explain in a post. It took genius philosophers their entire life to try and explain, and you still didn't get it (because you're ignorant of it, but that's a separate issue)
You believe suffering isn't necessary. If you extrapolate your logic far enough, you believe in a utopia. You believe in heaven, by your own logic, although you'll dispute this.

>What's the book you'd like me to read that praises suffering
All of Nietzsche's work
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he was only 5' 10"

i guess you really can make up for it.
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>>36057839
sponges are not conscious you stupid ass

in order to be conscious, to feel emotions, you must be able to suffer. Suffering cannot exist with happiness, and vice versa. You cannot be thirsty in a universe where water does not exist.

Would you ask that all water to have never existed simply because your mouth is parched?
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>>36057845
keep telling youself that
it's not gay just a femdong
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>>36057749
>Low IQ plebeian, the post
Enjoy going extinct
Meanwhile, my offspring will be experiencing the roller coaster of all emotions that is life. Sheer joy and crushing sadness, all of it. They'll be experiencing it, and overcoming it...A part of me will remain with them, their very being built upon the foundation laid by my genetic makeup, I will live on, and you'll be in the dirt. Forgotten. Non existent. Dead.

>>36057754
Not really, but alright moron.
>He believes everything the winner write about the losers
>Calls others bootlicking faggots
Lol
Lemme guess, Hitler only had one testicle and liked to fuck dogs too right?
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>>36057893
Traps and anime are fucking disgusting and all those who enjoy them should really be put in death camps

you'll have to try harder
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>>36057905
>he couldnt resist replying to low IQ pleb
>he still thinks his lineage wont go extinct
>muh heritage
LOL
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>>36057847
It is simply a cruel and cowardly act.
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>>36057727
>what is positive about suffering

I'll put it into words you'll understand, if for once you would stop thinking of suffering as something that involves the amputation of limbs, the burning of flesh, etc.

Imagine if your life was simple and your happiness/unhappiness depended on the temperature you lived in. If you lived in the cold constantly, your life would be uncomfortable but you would likely live through it because cold is all you've ever known. If you lived in the cold most of the time but found warmth occasionally, those moments of warmth would be unimaginable bliss, but whether they make up for the long moments of cold depends on your personal strength. If you lived in cold and warmth 50/50, then there's no telling how you'd feel. If you lived in warmth most of the time but were cold occasionally, then you would feel good most of the time and suffer more during the brief moments of cold, but depending on your personal strength you would be happy or unhappy with this. If you lived in warmth constantly, then... despite being comfortable you would have little appreciation for warmth, because it's all you've ever known.
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>>36057929
>No argument
Come on, are you even trying, retard?
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>>36057941
this is the reason why people in the north vacation down south and people in the south vacation up north
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>>36057937
No its not. Suicide kinda is but not that.
Its cruel and cowardly to bring your own flesh and blood born child into a reality where suffering outweighs contentment.
Because you cant harm someone who doesnt exist you mindless fuck
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>>36057966
Not really.
You arent worth the effort.
You're just a toy :^)
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>>36057054
>You don't need to.
Yes, otherwise words are being put in my mouth. Otherwise someone is refuting a point I never made.

>Man is not involved in anything beyond the grasp of his own existence
What does that even mean? People don't have pets?

>so if breeding is pointless, then everything is pointless.
Well, humanity will go extinct one day. And for example, one day everything we've written today will vanish.

So on long timescales, breeding is pointless. But people typicaly don't think about a million years into the future, or a billion years into the future, or after humanity goes extinct. Those are scary thoughts. Because it makes everything happening right now kind of seem like it's all for nothing.

But personally I think looking for truth is not pointless.

Breeding just causes unnecessary suffering.

>If you wish to have never been born, then you wish to have never existed, and that's something you can't even conceive, nor can anyone else.
Sure they can. Do you have grandkids right now? Do they exist? No. They don't exist. They don't exist, so they can't suffer. Since suffering first requires being born.

>If you separate yourself from the concept of existence, then ethics have no place anywhere. Ethics are a human concept, they do not exist outside of human minds with which to understand and apply them.
Okay, ethics are a human concept. But humans generally think harming others (increasing suffering) is morally bad, and helping others (preventing suffering) is morally good.

Other animals can suffer too.

To prevent future human suffering, antinalists choose to not have kids. And some even suggest all pregnancies be aborted. Because human suffering will exist as long as procreation continues.

"She asks, "How long shall men die?" Jesus answers, "As long as you women bear children." Writers like Julius Cassianus take this as an implicit injunction to defeat death by ceasing from procreation." -John T. Noonan Jr.
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>>36057839
>Schopenhauer said it would be better if there was nothing.

And he'd be wrong. Because there would not be an idea of "better" or "worse" if there was nothing. Man is not involved in anything beyond his own life experienced through his consciousness, this is a concept you have a lot of trouble understanding, but one day you'll get there. Maybe
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>>36057092

Humans are not like iron. Forges when it comes to people are metaphors.

And by the way, even strong people will be destroyed one day. Even strong people suffer.

>Nobody who has not suffered will ever truly understand what joy feels like.

And some people figure no joy is worth all the combined suffering that's happened on Earth in the past 4 billion years.
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>>36057941
>>36057727
To add to this:
If you had lived in the warm forever, you would have no way to even begin to make sense of the cold. You wouldn't understand it. There is nothing to take away from never having been in the cold...nothing you can salvage and take with you, no lesson. You would remain ignorant forever, and this obviously cannot be a good thing, since it is, and always will be, still there. Whether you personally experience it or not. The cold will always be there.

>>36058023
>>36057839
Schopenhauer may have said that, but it's still not relevant to this discussion since there is something. You can believe it would have been better for there to never have been anything... but since we do exist now, and there is something... this has nothing to do with not having children because they might suffer.

Stop quoting philosophers to try and beef up your lousy non-arguments
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>>36057112
>Because you're a dunce. I've addressed this way back in the thread numerous times. All you keep doing is repeating the same statement repeatedly.

Dunces breed all the time. There's probably 200 million insects to every one human.

It doesn't take intelligence to breed, it takes intelligence to consider how much suffering your offspring could potentially go through, and make an intelligent and compassionate and moral decision to not put them through that.

>I don't give a fuck what Benatar says, that is only his opinion, you fucking idiot.
>He's an antinatalist, of course he's going to say that, you dimwitted cunt. Jesus...

Look, you have to be at least 18 to post on this site. You're clearly a fucking child.

>The dumbest animals are the ones that don't breed at all

No. Humans are generally considered the most intelligent species. And only humans can even consider not having kids.

Is a fish smart if they mindlessly made a bunch of new fish, and those fish get eaten alive?

>Plebs can't into argument. Read a book. Just repeating something doesn't make it true ya know. Try again

You keep repeating "read a book" repeatedly. Which book? Which book is it that says suffering is so great and necessary? Come on. Tell me. Let me read it already so I can throw out ad hominem attacks like a fucking teenager like you.
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>>36057989
>No its not
But yes it is, moron.
>suffering outweighs contentment.
Jesus Christ, another pleb who doesn't understand suffering, or contentment.
>Because you cant harm someone who doesnt exist you mindless fuck
What's that got to do with whether or not it's a cruel act, you absolute dunce of a man?

Again, to not give life on the off chance that something bad might happen is cruel.
Also, to believe suffering is entirely bad is simply an incorrect observation.
There is no happiness without suffering. Both are necessary for one another to exist.

Don't post until you've actually read some books, yeah
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>>36058012
If you believe men shouldn't exist, then you might as well want nothing to exist or to have ever existed, including the very idea that you're preventing suffering.

Know why some people are Solipsists and others are Realists? Because there's no way of knowing whether the world exists independently of your mind, since the only way to experience it is by being alive.

>Sure they can. Do you have grandkids right now? Do they exist? No. They don't exist. They don't exist, so they can't suffer. Since suffering first requires being born.

You're thinking about hypothetical grandchildren, not yourself. You can't conceive not having existed. Sure, you can think of it as eternal dreamless sleep with no beginning or ending, but you cannot fully understand it, nobody can and nobody ever will.
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>>36058165
> doesn't take intelligence to breed, it takes intelligence to consider how much suffering your offspring could potentially go through, and make an intelligent and compassionate and moral decision to not put them through that
Again, bringing more pointless horse shit into the argument.

To not give life on the off chance that something bad might happen is cruel and cowardly.
To believe suffering is entirely bad is simply an incorrect observation.
There is no happiness without suffering. Both are necessary for one another to exist.

Next

>mindlessly
>What is R vs K selection
Another pleb tier ignoramus pretending he knows anything

>ad hominem
I add the ad hominem in after dismantling your repeated non-arguments, if you don't like it, simply ignore it, moron.
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>>36057154
>suicide isn't traumatic after you're dead you retard

Did I say it was? It's pretty stupid to disagree with something I didn't say.

But suicide itself can certainly be agonzing, depending on how you do it. And when someone commits sucide it can be very traumatic for their family, friends, loved ones, etc.

>To not have kids means you deny them the choice.

No. To have kids means you deny them the choice to exist. You didn't ask their permission to make them. You forced life (and suffering) on them. You created them, and have no idea what suffering they could go through in life. Which is why having kids is cruel and reckless.

>By not having kids you are denying your potential children the human experience. The love, the hate, the joy, the despair and everything inbetween.

People who don't exist can't be deprived of joy or happiness. But people who do exist will experience harm and eventual death.

>The entire crux of your argument seems to be that existance is pain but if you truly believed that you'd go on a murder spree in a hospital to kill as many babies and pregnant mothers as possible before killing yourself.

No.

"Each one of us was harmed by being brought into existence. That harm is not negligible, because the quality of even the best lives is very bad--and considerably worse than most people recognize it to be. Although it is obviously too late to prevent our own existence, it is not too late to prevent the existence of future possible people." -David Benatar

Not having kids is about preventing suffering. Going on a murder spree isn't preventing suffering, it's causing more of it. Sure, I guess dead babies and dead pregnant mothers couldn't suffer anymore. But those people have families who probably love them, who have the capacity to suffer. Suffering is often like ripples in a pond.

>But you're just an edgy fag who doesn't believe what he's saying

And you're just a moron who must be no older than 17.
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>>36057248
>If you don't have kids, they cannot be.

And they cannot suffer, yes.

>A mentally balanced person who is not obsessed with suffering will think this before "if you don't make kids, they can't be eaten alive by hyenas"

That's one way to die. I'm sure there have been human children eaten alive by hyenas in the past million years. Did they deserve to die like that? No, which is why they shouldn't have been made.

>If you're the person I think you are, you said in a previous thread that the only way to justify breeding is to ensure, without any doubt, that the offspring experiences constant never-ending bliss and never dies.

Not really.

"If a child, for whose existence I was responsible, were to ask me why he or she were here, what happens after death, whether I could guarantee he or she would not suffer a fate like that Furuta Junko suffered in 1988/89 (please look it up, as there's no room to describe it), what would I say? To me, the fact I have no answers that would not be guesswork, evasion or dogma indicates that having children is selfish and cruel." -Quentin S. Crisp

>The fact that you don't see the neurological and psychological impossibility of actually *enjoying* uninterrupted pleasure is astounding, and points to your having a severe mental handicap

I never said people should only have kids if those kids experience endless pleasure.

It's people like you who think the pleasures in life outweight the suffering in life. They do not. Which is why it's cruel to make new people who can suffer.
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>>36058301
>But suicide itself can certainly be agonzing, depending on how you do it. And when someone commits sucide it can be very traumatic for their family, friends, loved ones, etc
But why does it matter if nothing matters in the end, eh?

>You forced life (and suffering) on them
and happiness
>and have no idea what suffering they could go through in life. Which is why having kids is cruel and reckless.
and have no idea what happiness they could go through in life. Which is why to not have kids because they might experience suffering is cruel and cowardly
You only believe life is suffering because your own personal experience of life is shit. Isn't it morally reprehensible then to not have kids due to your own poor experiences? Theirs might be better than yours. (probably would be by the sounds of it)
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>>36058301
>People who don't exist can't be deprived of joy or happiness
Doesn't matter. It's morally reprehensible regardless.

Also, if nothing matters in the end, why not just say fuck it and risk it? Oh, that's right! Because you're a hypocrite who can't even stand by his own beliefs
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>>36058301
Probably the 10th time you've used a random philosophers irrelevant, out of context quote to try and beef up your non-arguments

Truly pseudo-intellectual tier
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>>36058232
Oh yeah so give life on the off chance that it'll be peaches and cream. Fool. You arent smart, you arent strong by any means. This is just a persona you display on the internet. I dont believe you really are what you say you are, and you also seem emotionally unstable. Your post are riddled with useless profanity and you come off as very desperate. You need help.
Wait i get it, you're a female whore who is also promiscuous which is why you promote procreation so enthusiasticly. You fucking suck lol.
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>>36058516
Not an argument, faggot.
You got blown the fuck out and can only insult now.
At least when I insult it's after destroying your shit non-arguments.

Kill yourself, nothing matters in the end right?!??!!?!
Lol, what a joke of a man. Cowardly, spineless worm.
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>>36058363
I know about Furuta Junko. If I had been her, I wouldn't have wished to have never been born: I would have wished to never have been abducted.

My argument goes beyond pleasure and suffering, by the way. You can't get it through your head that the preventing of suffering becomes completely irrelevant and meaningless once you've removed humanity out of existence. You're arguing for something you don't even begin to comprehend.
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>>36057249
>Most of these nihilistic faggots are just depressed themselves and therefore fall into, "everything is worthless in the end anyway", yada yada.

False.

The author of Ecclesiastes. Jesus Christ. The Buddha. Martin Luther. Sophocles. Julius Cassianus. Encratites. David Benatar. Wladyslaw Tatarkiewicz. The Manichaeans. The Bogomils. The Cathars. Arthur Schopenhauer. Peter Wessel Zapffe. Julio Cabrera. Gerald Harrison. Julia Tanner. Karim Akerma. Seana Shiffrin. Hermann Vetter. Jan Narveson. Miguel Steiner. Marc Larock. the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. Gunter Bleibohm. Theophile de Giraud. Thomas Ligotti. Abul 'Ala Al-Ma'arri. Augustine of Hippo. Samuel Beckett. Thomas Bernhard. Jolanta Brach-Czaina. Elisa Brune. Katarzyna Skrzypiec. Guido Ceronetti. John T. Noonan Jr.. Clement of Alexandria. Ken Coates. Jim Crawford. Quentin S. Crisp. Camille Flammarion. Mahatma Gandhi. Ulrich Horstmann. Roland Jaccard. Les U. Knight. Kurnig. Giacomo Leopardi. Czeslaw Milosz. Martin Neuffer. Michel Onfray. Thiago Lenharo di Santis. Martin Smith. Fernando Vallejo. Gustave Flaubert. Marilynne Robinson. Omar Khayyam. Fyodor Dostoyevsky. Hjalmar Soderberg. Philip Larkin. Maxim Gorky.

All have expressed antinatalist sentiment.

The fact that you sum it as as "nihilistic faggots" who are "just depressed" and fall into "everything is worthless in the end anyway" just shows how unintelligent and ignorant you are.

>They are inflicting their own personal experience of being and suffering upon their unborn/non-existent child.

No, that's what parents do.
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Decent thread. Nice to see some discussion going on.
Nihilism is for plebs, and so is anti-natalism.
It's for entry level plebs.
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>>36048640

TOP KEKUS

Ask an expert on serial killers and hybristophilla anything
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>>36057414
>if I didn't exist I would be pretty sad

No it wouldn't. Nobody would know.

>not existing is the ultimate suffering

Only living things can suffer, no so.
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>>36049138

Hey awesome someone posted my old shit
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>>36058626
>All have expressed antinatalist sentiment.
Means literally nothing without context, you dumb fuck.

You didn't address: >>36058399
or,
To not give life on the off chance that something bad might happen is cruel and cowardly.
To believe suffering is entirely bad is simply an incorrect observation.
There is no happiness without suffering. Both are necessary for one another to exist.

It's obviously a complex and nuanced topic and 4chan isn't the best place to discuss it, but you're wrong, my friend. You'll find out in your own time, I'm certain
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>>36058552
Lol, never said i was suicidal dumbass, i love my life. No one is going to change based on your post, you arent accomplishing anything at all, you seem to just get more and more emotionally roused while i sit back and half ass my responses to you because you are just that worthless to me. Have kids like the fruitful idiot you are then, who the fuck cares? I dont. But you cant force anyone to think the way you do, which is illogical and inconsistent. You are weak because you are ruled by your emotions, like a woman. You dont adhere to reason no matter how its presented to you because your feels get in the way. Talking to you is redundant.
Bye
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>>36050105

My brother, this is the truth. Wish I found this thread earlier

The PUA redpill reddit fags merely mimic the personality traits of the true savage. The real barbarian

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHIOaP3Vga0

This is what women desire, an actual psychopath.
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>>36058682
You're nihilistic, you may as well be suicidal, you fucking moron. Read a book and fuck off posting when you're clearly too low IQ to contribute anything worthwhile

How's that, faggot?
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>>36057446
>A necessary counter-balance to sheer joy and happiness. What else? Yin and yang, ya know!

You wouldn't happen to be a New Age, hippy dippy woo-woo moron would you?

In the yin/yang, yin becomes yang and yang becomes yin, which is why there is a dot of white in the black, and a dot of black in the white, and why they are swirling into each other.

But the wheel of suffering only turns due to procreation.

"By means of abstention from procreation the wheel of suffering would be deprived of its impetus until it comes to a standstill." -Karim Akerma

>Yeah it CAN, it's possible, but I can also piss in my own mouth. They have about the same level of relevancy to this argument.

No, the point is that people (like you) rationalize the existence of suffering as "necessary", as if ISIS burning people alive is necessary, as if ISIS beheading people is necessary, as if Hitler killing 6 million people is necessary, as if people dying from a nuclear bomb in Hiroshima or Nagasaki is necessary, as if Catholic priests raping and abusing children is necessary.

You're on the wrong side of the moral argument.

>These are the fucking plebs I'm arguing with?
>Fuck this
>You're unironically too stupid to waste time on.
>Read more, that is all

Answer the question. Think of the most horrific way you could die. Say it happens tomorrow. Was your life worth up until that point? Okay, now say it happened 10 years ago. Was your life worth up until that point? Okay, now say it happened a day after you were born. Was your life worth up until that point?

"Read more" is not an argument. Read what? Good critics of antinatalism. They exist, but you are not one of them.
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>>36049674

All serial killers are robots at heart
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>>36058682
>love my life
>says the word "suffering" at least a hundred times, including "life is suffering" and "you don't understand suffering"

o i am laffin
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>>36057500

Children can't have their arms cut off if they are never born.

By creating a child, you are esentially saying, "here universe, do your worst."
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>>36052251
>Recently there was a story about a serial killer named Todd Koehlhepp, who kept a woman in a shipping container or something, her name was Kala Brown. She spoke to Dr. Phil, and do you know how she survived? She said he raped her twice a day, but she knew he wouldn't kill her, "because he wanted me."

That makes my dick hard

Anyway read this if you want to know what serial killers are like when doing their thing
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>>36057615
>If you think a Human and a Chicken understand suffering in the same way, then you are beyond saving.

Would chickens try to escape a burning building? Yes? Would humans try to escape a burning building? Yes?

All animals that can suffer want to avoid it. What don't you understand about that?

You just keep saying "you're a pseudo intellectual" or "you have no real understanding."

Those aren't arguments.

I brought up that other Schopenhauer quote (about suffering reaching its supreme point in the most intelligent people) because one could argue that humans have a greater capacity to suffer than, say, chickens.

But would you trade lives with a random chicken living in a battery cage?

Don't bother responding. You have nothing original to say. Which raises the question of why the fuck you're on r9k.
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>>36058649
the idea of not knowing whether or not I'd feel sad about not existing is the most terrifying thing possible

the only thing more terrifying than death is the idea of never existing at all

>>36058781
how the fuck can you be such a brainlet that didn't understand the metaphor

>oh geez some people suffer pain better make sure nobody exists at all

literal sub single celled life tier logic here
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>>36052553
>>A 1974 study by Hariton and Singer[1] found that being "overpowered or forced to surrender" was the second most frequent fantasy in their survey; a 1984 study by Knafo and Jaffe ranked being overpowered as their study's most common fantasy during intercourse. In 1985, Louis H. Janda who is an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University[2] said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women.[3] A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.
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>>36058773
Yeah, i value my life. I have people i love and who love me. Usually its the one who tries to goad others into suicide who are suicidal themselves you projecting histrionic faggot :)
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>>36053463
>Who would be considered more attractive? A serial killer/rapist that just kills randomly? Or someone who kills for the cartel 'cause they're paid to without rape.

The cartel fag because he's connected
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>>36058762
Every question in this retarded post has been addressed already. You simply do not want to listen and are arguing for the sake of arguing.
Again, with *insert random cunt*'s name here to try and make your weak argument look beefier. It doesn't work. You have no argument.

>rationalise the existence of suffering as "necessary",
It's not a matter of rationalisation, moron. It's simply the way it is. Happiness cannot exist without suffering. Prove me wrong.

Either way, enjoy extinction.
Meanwhile, my offspring will be experiencing the roller coaster of all emotions that is life. Sheer joy and crushing sadness, all of it. They'll be experiencing it, and overcoming it...A part of me will remain with them, their very being built upon the foundation laid by my genetic makeup, I will live on, and you'll be in the dirt. Forgotten. Non existent. Dead.
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>>36058887
I'm not the guy you're referring to. But you did ignore my other posts such as >>36058247
and >>36057941
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>>36058855
You arent as smart as you believe.
And get used to it faggot, one day you wont exist
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>>36054373
>That is what makes Elliot Rodger a human being, compared to these soulless scumbags, mostly killing for the fun it. They are all mere animals.

You're wrong all violence is merely the physical manifestation of a psychological pain
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>>36058853
>I brought up that other Schopenhauer quote (about suffering reaching its supreme point in the most intelligent people)

Based schopenhauer alright I missed this whole thread, fucking 10/10 though. Glad to see people are starting to understand the dark triad is what gets women. Great stuff lads

Also would a girl want a male model pretty boy chad or this convincted gang member. Think about it for a second
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>>36058930
to have once existed and then cease to exist having experienced life to the fullest is infinitely better than to have never experienced anything at all
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>>36058887
If you advocate anti-natalism, but you're glad you were born, then you're a hypocrite.
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