Unfettered capitalism is shit. That's why the world sucks,

The government isn't an answer to check capitalism, in fact all evidence points to elite capitalism and top government working together to keep the population working and destitute.

Communism, pure communism, is shit too because everything relies on the workers who seized power by seizing the means of production because working people are shit too.

Our calling to a higher purpose as a species is having a shared and overarching society for everyone to participate in.

so what is it that you're suggesting we should do instead?

>nobody will ever take National Socialism seriously again because that one guy did it

We need to go back to dift economies

you will need a common purpose to strive for
however powerful atheism and nihilism have quashed all chance of that
there is only a quick death to hope for now
this is why we are electing warmongers and sadists
please daddies please eliminate us swiftly

I think mankind grew too much and too complex to ever be a solution desu.

>>36000809
He also ruined little square mustaches for everyone

>>36000796

Capitalism should be like the CEO of Costco - take a pay hit so your underlings have room to breathe.

Taxes and government interference are what's holding capitalism back. Capitalism is the most perfect system and anyone against is a worthless piece of shit who deserves death.

>>36000809
Just call it something else, dumbass. Like Americanism or the American Worker's Unity Party or whatever while retaining the fascist spirit of corporatism and class collaboration. People are too retarded to know the difference.

>>36000877

Fuck off Shkreli

>>36000872
and who should enforce this, if not the government?

>>36000877
how is it even close to perfect when unrestrained capitalism has so much room for abuse?

>>36000899

Nobody forced the CEO of Costco to take a pay cut so his employees could have a little higher salary. He just does it on his own.

>>36000893
>explain the concepts of National Socialism to my friend
>"You're right, that does sound like a pretty good system, better than what we have now anyway. What would you call something like that?"
>tell him it's called National Socialism
>"What the fuck man why would you like that shit? Are you a racist?"

What you're witnessing now is just the product of a population squeezed too hard by those in wealth and power.

The democrats want to fix it with more immigration and letting the strongest survive while they sit comfy in their private communities.

In John Calhoun's experiment, his utopia went berserk then a calm withdrawal followed.

The utopia never recovered.

>>36001094
the democrats don't want to fix anything.

>>36001114

Not long term. More immigration is just a "close your eyes and hope for the best" fix.

No doubt that they planned to sit comfortably on their wealth in their big houses and watch the world run its course.

>>36000305
the matters is that capitalism works for everyone until the big capitalists realize that they don't need to compete

Unfettered capitalism was fine until the industrial revolution changed things and made it so large corporations had a huge advantage because of technology and globalism. Then people stopped being people who labored hard for themselves and instead became wageslaves. Corporatism is the problem, not capitalism. Capitalism is the best way possible for people to contribute to society and have challenges to solve and support themselves.

>>36001163
immigration isn't a temporary or long term fix for our economic problems. that's why they push the idea that it's just "the right thing to do" and "this country was built on immigration." there is no logical reason to invite more people into this country when we haven't sorted out our internal problems except that it allows business to hire cheap, throwaway labor and puts pressure on blue collar workers to put up with shit and low pay knowing that they are easily replaced. it's not a fix and the moral proselytizing is just a distraction from the practical issues it brings.

>>36001268

>cheap throwaway labor
>put pressure on native blue and white collar population to put with shit

That's the idea actually. This would keep the current system running with man power. Hence temporary fix while they would sit comfy in their private communities.

>>36001268
If you hate cheap labor, you hate capitalism and are a fucking commie cocksucker.

Come with me, the helicopter awaits.

>>36001398
we have enough man power without immigrants. this makes things worse, not better.

>>36001451
you are an absolute retard.

>>36000967
Call it social nationalism

>>36000305
>Unfettered capitalism is shit. That's why the world sucks, there's no voice of reason to be found with greed.

Not an argument. Explain why it's shit, how it makes the world suck, and why "greed" can't be reasonable.

>Government taxes are a form of pure capitalism as well.

Please share your definition of pure capitalism. I think it's very different from everyone elses.

>>36000967

You should have called him out being close minded.he was for it until he saw the books cover.

>>36001558

Why don't you read the thread first

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>>36000305
when you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism so you try communism and it fails and kills and starves millions of people but it's okay because that wasn't real communism...

>>36001973
>let's frighten people into maintaining a shittier system than necessary because it serves the people at the top who really matter. i will make sure to point out how awful communism is and make sure they never consider that it doesn't have to be one or the other or the elite might lose a fraction of their substantially unearned wealth and have to live in moderate luxury and we can't have that for the JOB CREATORS.
keep pushing their agenda for them. i'm sure they will give you a pat on the head and a nice little mcmansion in the suburbs.

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>>36002363
you know how I KNOW you're an underage fag?

>communism is good, guys, in theory!
and it is, I'll give you that, communism is the perfect system on paper. I'll concede that point.

>capitalism is bad! It only serves rich people!
if you believe this, you're fucking retarded. Why do you think rich people are rich? because they ALL have rich parents? That's fucking retarded. Rich people are rich in America because they provide a service or good a lot of people like. You're successful because your fellow man wants what you do, not because "muh tax breaks",

let's take Apple for example. Steve jobs split off from the company he worked for to build computers in a garage in silicon valley, he had jack shit to his name. Now, despite being dead, he left behind a multi-billion dollar company, think of how many jobs that created, and why would he do that? Why would Steve Jobs put forth the effort? Because there was reward for it, he was rewarded for his efforts as a businessman. Communism doesn't allow a free market which lead to Apple computers, and hundreds of thousands of jobs. Kill yourself, you 8th grade commie faggot.

>>36002584
i never said communism was good or that capitalism ONLY serves the rich. the current setup could be modified to serve more people but it is held back by the greed of a minority with unrestrained power because they have already amassed so much wealth and brainwashed people like you into believing that the only options are allowing them free reign to trickle down the wealth at their leisure or full blown communism where everyone is still screwed. read my post. your black and white thinking is paralyzing you. there are other possibilities.

>>36002726
except communism, in any form, has NEVER worked. You've lost, now fuck off.

>>36002815
you're a fucking retard.

i'm suggesting that capitalism with USEFUL regulation and small socialized programs would be the best bet.

you're arguing with an imaginary communist because your tunnel vision set in when i suggested that fearmongering over communism is a tool that they use to keep us from demanding fair treatment.

>>36002940
>I'm suggesting that capitalism with USEFUL regulation and small socialized programs would be the best bet

the free market is dependent on the consumer. It will fix any problem, regulation hinders the free market.

>you're arguing with an imaginary communist because your tunnel vision set in when i suggested that fearmongering over communism is a tool that they use to keep us from demanding fair treatment

"capitalist fearmongering". I suggest you look at how many people communism has left to starve to death, and how many capitalism has left to starve to death. (hint: capitalism with less regulations does a better job of feeding people)

>demanding fair treatment
this is how it plays out in a free market
>let's do this terrible thing as a huge company!
>the public boycott's the company and destroy's it's profits
>let's stop doing this terrible thing!
It's self regulating like that.

>>36003063
>the free market is dependent on the consumer. It will fix any problem, regulation hinders the free market.
until monopolies arise and there is no longer any real competition. and this does not fix the problem of CEOS making 500X more than their employees because they can, it just helps it happen.

>capitalist fearmongering". I suggest you look at how many people communism has left to starve to death, and how many capitalism has left to starve to death. (hint: capitalism with less regulations does a better job of feeding people)
being good doesn't mean it can't be better.

>It's self regulating like that.
yeah, and that's why walmart and mcdonalds, who treat their employees like shit were shut down by "boycotts." you are living in a fantasy. it doesn't work that way.

>>36002584
and you're still a stupid kid compared to the person you're criticizing

Deifying the rich and sucessful and overlooking the systems they exploited generationally to get to their point is hte definition of childish -- "daddy is pure and right because he is pure and right"

Anyone with any fortune of merit has at least one scumbag criminal in their bloodline who got away with something they should not have.

>>36003407
"deifying the rich and overlooking the systems they exploited"

I'm sorry, how exactly did Steve jobs exploit the US market in a garage?

"anyone with any fortune of merit has at least one scumbag criminal in their bloodline" yeah no shit, everyone has at least one criminal in their family, doesn't mean they're less successful businessmen and it doesn't mean they don't provide a good or service.

>>36003260
>monopolies exist
>we have government regulations
>monopolies don't exist though because there will always be competition.

you say "mcdonalds" I say "taco bell" "burger king" "wendy's" and "carl's jr". Thats competition.

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>>36000305
PAY MY MEDICAL BILLS