>Getting older >Starting to grow more and more left-wing

Immediate bullet to the brain. This is the only option.

weak bait this political migration literally never occurs

>>35945176
Be glad you're finally growing up /pol/ is actually just a hive mind.

>>35945176
fuck of to reddit you centrist fag

>>35945176
>starting to see flaws in /pol/'s conservative values

well if they are actual flaws, then you would be right and they would be wrong! so what are they?

>>35945176
You're growing out of your edgy phase.

It's a good thing. /pol/ is basically /b/2.0 with teenagets from Reddit's /r/The_Donald

>>35945176
This is what happened to me
It's the opposite of what usually happeens
I went from a libertarian to a fascist to a socialist and finally to a communist

>>35945231
this. older people are all conservative

>>35945289
Red gets lead eat shit you fucking commie faggot

>>35945176
that's impossible because reality based analysis leads to right wing thought, and with age due to more and more dealing with reality people turn more and more conservative. you going on the opposite path is a sign you are being brainwashed

>>35945231
>>35945297
Not OP here. I made this migration when I stopped being an edgy teen.

I'm just to smart too enjoy /pol/ and right wing media these days.

>>35945300
It's a slow process but we're slowly weeding you lot out

The recent political events have shown me that democracy was a mistake and that an elite class is needed to control people like you

File: Screenshot_2017-03-24-20-26-52-1.png (435KB, 686x748px) Image search: [Google]

435KB, 686x748px

>>35945300
>that slogan

>>35945336
>is a commie
>we need an elite class!!!!

HA HA HA

Lift more your low test faggot

>>35945335
>I'm just to smart too enjoy /pol/ and right wing media these days.
get off this site then, most media posted here is right wing

Keep realizing that the "alt-right" is fucking moronic and probably some kind of psyop.
/pol/ is ultra-right wing to the point that half the posts are satire. You're fine OP. It's not like you're going to become a commie SJW just because you don't blindly follow /pol/.

>>35945336
You wish you fucking dweeb it would never happen your ideology is made fun of on a daily basis and already reading from your post you have no idea how communism works my mother grew up in a communist country maybe if you lived in a political climate like that and had an understanding of what really goes on you wouldn't be so eager to let others rule your life then again you're a commie cuck capitalism is good thing

File: 1490759944352.png (159KB, 289x289px) Image search: [Google]

159KB, 289x289px

>>35945176
As long as you don't go to far off center you should be fine. Going to far one way or the other only leads to problems.

>>35945374
yeah i bet that knight in the picture was a convictionless centrist

File: 1487547577872.jpg (9KB, 250x250px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 250x250px

>>35945344
>literally being a literal sweetie
lmao sweetie pls just tie that noose up

>Getting older
You might want to get your testosterone levels checked.

File: 1490917895893.png (28KB, 195x119px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 195x119px

>>35945383
You mean the one that kept fucking up the world and prevented nature from taking it's course?

>>35945176
Read more. You're becoming lazy and letting "muh humanity" take over. Empathy is good but if you don't temper it with knowledge you'll just end up another braindead nu-male who thinks "we should all just like, get along, man".

>>35945372
I know perfectly well what communism is and that it requires a state and an elite class to maintain it

and I'm sure your whore of a mother has brainwashed you well, if it was in my perfect world she would have been tortured and raped in front of you too keep brats like you in check

>>35945396
Lel memes!

>>35945398
what?
weargwarg

I agree with the left on a lot of things (environment, gay rights, drugs) but in general I think /pol/ is correct to resist multiculturalism and increased immigration from the third world. I mean that shit is just common sense and yet our culture has become pathologically self-hating.

>>35945404
>if it was in my perfect world she would have been tortured and raped in front of you

I never hear right wingers say atrocities like this, thats why you deserve nothing but death fucking red faggots

>>35945428
>I never hear right wingers say atrocities like this
So what you're saying is your blinders work like a charm?

extreme politics in general is for kids and mental midgets. once you get a real job and actually start contributing to society, both communists and fascists look dangerously stupid

>>35945446
im saying they never say sadistic garbage like that

I hope that you die fucking devil

>>35945428
Anyone who supports communism unironically is mentally ill. I say this as someone who grew up in post-soviet eastern europe

>>35945405
>I don't like the answer that was given, therefore it's a meme.
Suit yourself. Low-t is a common condition of getting older.

>>35945428
That is because they are cowards who are easily swayed in numbers
There is a reason the right attracts so many brain-dead skin heads while the left is chock full of intellectuals

>>35945404
>I know perfectly well what communism is
you clearly don't since every communist country ever has been run to the ground and severely shat on by other countries my mother was from Cuba and they went from being wealthy and owning a majority of Havana to having to share houses in what was the equivalent of a commie block. Seriously name a country where communism worked and made a country prosper.

>>35945467
>the left is chock full of intellectuals
that's funny the fact that you think political affiliation equates to intelligence shows your dumb

>>35945467
ohohoh. are you even paying attention you fucking retard? you call them cowards because they dont wish fucking sick atrocities on people who dont deserve it? you're fucked in the head faggot. eat lead.

>>35945496
RED GET LEAD RED GET LEAD FUCK THE COMMIES MAY KEK SHIT ON THEM WITH THE MEMES

>>35945464
The general saying used to be
>if you're not a liberal when you're young you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when you're older you have no brain
But that doesn't fit your meme of libs being pussies. Good job at not memeing.

>>35945513
isn't kek just a demon
like, this is straight up shit they specify against in the Jew Book, isn't it
there's like a whole big passage about how you you shouldn't work with demons, isn't there

File: 1489583030892.png (27KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

27KB, 500x500px

I went from centrism to libertarianism to the ancap meme to fascism to traditionalism and finally to egoism.

>>35945529
>listening to the jew book
>not listening to some dank frog memes and getting excited about repeating digits
get with the fucking times grandpa

>>35945467
that only really holds true for the center left, and it's largely because the far left have completely taken over higher education (and to a lesser degree general education). even intelligent people can fall victim to propaganda if it's forced on them often and early enough

File: commicide.png (256KB, 554x522px) Image search: [Google]

256KB, 554x522px

There really only is one thing to do with commies huh.

>>35945539
i ain't tryna catch no five-to-eternity for idolatry nigga

>>35945513

Do you even realize how stupid you look

This is the average right winger, autistically attacking anyone who doesnt unironically believe that all niggers should be deported, the middle east nuked and the jews wiped out once and for all.

/pol/ is just the 2017 version of leejunchan, in 2022 you niggers will look back on this with shame and ask yourselfs how you could be this immature and retarded.

>>35945176
>>Starting to see flaws in /pol/'s conservative values
>What should I do?

List the flaws here, in this thread!

I'm excited to see what you've identified!

SPIT IT OUT YOU FUCKING SHILL FAGGOT

>>35945560
>believe that all niggers should be deported, the middle east nuked and the jews wiped out once and for all.
I don't believe any of that actually I just think that communist should be shot on the spot since they have no souls. As long as you're a legal immigrant too I have no problem with you being in my country regardless of skin color or religion.

>>35945496
Communism allowed the USSR to rise from a severely behind struggling country to the second super power in the world

Communism never failed, imperialism won
and the brainwashed children (such as you) continue to chant its mantra

The joy of wiping the virus (you) that has infected this world for too long would be extremely satisfying

>>35945567
Not OP but see >>35945560
That post sums /pol/ and your post up pretty well.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of /pol/ were teenagers.

>>35945560

nice strawman, but anyway, what does the leftie believe? mothers should be raped and killed in front of their children?

>>35945559
Bro Kek is god

>>35945560
How did you deduce that he is /pol/lack? If i didnt miss something out he is just REEing at the commie.

>>35945583
Hey man you guys get that day of the rope thing worked out yet?

>>35945588
bro you're gonna end up doing fucking human sacrifices and I'm not on the menu for that shit

>>35945576
Have you ever lived in a communist country anon? If not why do you keep idolizing fairy tales? Have you even ever lived in a communist commune? I don't think you've ever even done anything remotely close to your silly ideology because you're trend hopping poser.

File: commiespeopleok.png (37KB, 1342x528px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 1342x528px

>>35945231
2ndpbpost

File: 1490640181979.jpg (18KB, 434x366px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 434x366px

>>35945576
>second super power in the world
only because russia had a ton of disposable people.

and yeah that's the only thing that matters! satanic elite thats controls the masses like theyre fucking ants. because thats what communism is. people are ants.

>>35945609
nice strawman again lol

File: 1475080814150.gif (295KB, 428x418px) Image search: [Google]

295KB, 428x418px

>>35945610
>didn't even acknowledge my fucking digits
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>35945428
>I never hear right wingers say atrocities like this

As an interesting experiment, ask a right winger to explain a left wing position, and vice versa.

You'll generally find that the right wingers can explain the leftist position, and will point out why they think it's flawed.
They still think it's retarded, but they've got an understanding of it.

While the leftist will usually show no understanding of the right wing position at all, and instead spout off garbage about promoting genocide, corporate greed and white supremacy, as if they think their opponent is some sort of one-dimensional comic book villain.

>>35945580
/pol/ is lot more extreme than regular conservatives in its believes.

File: helperdevilish.jpg (87KB, 882x640px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 882x640px

>>35945335
>to smart
>>35945351
>falling for the bait
>mfw I smugly point it out
this kills the joke

>>35945635
"conservatives" arent really conservatives. the overton window is just so fucking shifted to the left.

>>35945611
Have you ever lived in a country that has been exploited by the pervasive evil you people continue to perpetuate

I advise you to visit a Bangladesh sweatshop and see the virtues for the system you continue to defend

>>35945516
Wow, I'm trying to give you actual advice to get your t-levels checked because it lowers when you get older, and you are still saying "le meme". It sounds like you are pretty asspained. You might want to go to some support groups too since you read too much into things and imply things I never came close to saying.

>>35945659
>corporatism is capitalism

mate, i made too many shoes, other dude has too much money, he gives me money, i give him the shoes, thats capitalism

there are no moderate versions of communism, however.

>>35945652
Yeah i gotta agree with that, but still, conservatism doesnt have to equal to fascism, or whatever /pol/ is.

File: 1486419287001.jpg (23KB, 600x484px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 600x484px

>>35945646
It was a real mistake actually.

At first I decided to use the "to smart" meme but then I had second thoughts and decided to correct it, but accidentally added the second o to the wrong to.

>>35945428
>I never hear right wingers say atrocities like this
>you deserve nothing but death

>>35945611
I lived in such a commune for a year and a half, and it failed miserably. a society where no one has clear authority, work is unpaid, and everyone gets stuff for free will never succeed, even on a small scale

>>35945662
And I'm trying to explain to you that conventional wisdom is you get more conservative as you age. You're saying testosterone lowers as you get older. That would mean low t goes hand in hand with conservatism, not liberalism. But, again, memes!

>>35945659
>exploited
If they take up an offer they can refuse any time they're not being exploited and if their country is in the shitter it's their country's fault.

File: helperfuckthisgayearth.png (118KB, 657x527px) Image search: [Google]

118KB, 657x527px

>>35945681
>I even fuck up being "that guy"

>>35945580
People making shitty arguments for a position doesn't mean the position itself is shit.

I spend a lot of time trying to have a proper discussion and debate about political ideas, and it's frustrating as fuck.
Sometimes you just want to scream incoherently like a retard at people.

I assume a lot of /pol/ gets the same way.

Plus the anonymity here allows right wingers to be belligerent screamy cunts, something they're often unable to do in real life since most colleges and workplaces won't take kindly to it.

File: almondbravo.jpg (5KB, 174x200px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 174x200px

>>35945690
...and?
>what did anon mean by this?

>>35945690
what do you suggest? that they rape and murder more women in front of their kids? fucking idiot. people like those dont deserve to live. may they try again in the next life.

>>35945659
people only work in sweatshops because there is no other legal work. before the evil capitalists came along, the women working there would have become prostitutes, and the men would have turned to crime or simply starved. is that really a better alternative?

>>35945691
I've visited one when I visited a friend to see where she was living the place was an actual fire hazard ridden with STD infected bohemians and drugs to boot everyone was suicidal

>>35945231
It does in some teenagers who became right-wing only because it is the edgy counter-culture now that the left permeates everything. They go to college, their teacher tells them about Marx and it blows their mind.
Then the same college kids usually grow out of leftism when they get a serious job and responsibilities.
100% guarantee OP is under 25.

>>35945738
Hey newfriend! Enjoying your first time in the 4chans? Thought you'd make your first post huh? Maybe you should "lurk" some more before posting, kay?

>>35945702
Read my original post towards you: I said nothing about political ideology. I just said to get your levels checked as you are getting older. It's simple advice that you blew out of proportion because of how asspained you actually are.

>>35945176

most leftists don't know anything about economics. they are too theoretical. I would never trust a marxist to run a company. They don't understand the actual value of anything

I've talked to some marxists, they seriously believe that most CEOs and franchise owners got there because of their parents. They were totally unaware they spent years and years in lower jobs, working their way up the chain and gaining more experience all the time.

>>35945176
It's called being a contrarian. Conservatives have power so now you hate them. Also if you go too far right you actually end up in far left politics

>>35945231

Let me tell you when liberal-leaning people often turn reactionary as they get older.

It's because they want to be friendly and cordial with the lower classes and minorities. They want to go to poor people and get along. They want to talk to blacks and hispanics, and get along.

But these groups, the oppressed groups, they don't just want to "get along". They want the person of the upper class to give up their power. They want whites to give up their power.

At this point the liberal leaning person gets uncomfortable, they dont want to give up any power, standing or wealth, so they turn reactionary.

>>35945792
Being a conservative isn't about economics. It's about hating niggers immigrants and faggotd

>>35945738
>people only work in sweatshops because there is no other legal work.

Deceptive and Disgusting justification

When a capitalist monster eats up all the land, clearly there will be nothing left because it's taken everything

The land should be for the people, not be sold to them at the barest price to fund your luxuries

and the most revolting part of it is that you believe that you are doing a good, the narrative has been sold so well that you're able to enslave and exploit people while believing you're imparting some sort of benevolent moral system upon them

>>35945786
>I just said to get your levels checked as you are getting older.
And what was the impetus of the advice? OP says as he's getting older he's realizing /pol/ is full of shit. You advise OP to get checked for low t, the implication being...? Low t from age is making OP disagree with /pol/s hard right stance, correct?
If you're gonna meme then meme, don't get pussy when you get called out on it.

>>35945786
You said liberals have low test levels. People get conservative as they get older and they also lose testosterone....

File: 1483492239234.jpg (108KB, 510x612px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 510x612px

>>35945401
Right wing politics is literally just "muh (specific brand of) humanity."

>>35945176
Strange, when I was younger I was a leftist. That is until I critically examined some of my beliefs and realized many of them were contradictory and inconsistent. Now I could easily be put under any label of right wing socialism.

>>35945809
>Also if you go too far right you actually end up in far left politics
No you don't. Fascist and natsoc similarities to communism are surface level at best. Improving conditions for the working class while striving to unite all classes in support of the country, is not the same as destroying the notion of classes while seeking to eliminate all national borders. Upon close examination they are ideological opposites.

>>35945861
Muh buzzwords
t.smug anime poster

>>35945818
of course they don't. did blacks or hispanics do anything to earn the wealth and power they demand? no, they just feel they're entitled to it because of the shit their ancestors went through (even though their earlier ancestors did the same thing, they just weren't as good at it)

File: test.jpg (157KB, 710x2097px) Image search: [Google]

157KB, 710x2097px

>Read more.

Sound advice, dont base your politics on jpegs

>>35945852
Most people become conservative when they hit their late teens to early twenties since they have an understanding of how to handle their money and how to make it at least the successful ones

>>35945846
Are you really reading that much into this? Again, I said nothing about political ideology. Re-read my post. I just greentexted one part of his post. If I wanted to focus on political ideology with it, I would have included that in the greentext.

>>35945898
What wealth and power do blacks and Latinos feel entitled to/are demanding?

>>35945911
If this was true Trump would've gotten most young voters. He did not

>>35945852
I didn't say a single thing about political ideology. Reread my posts.

>>35945920
Whatever you say, bucko.

>>35945884
Learn what horseshoe theory is faggot. Far left and far right politics are very similar and appeal to the exact same people

File: 1485139201965.png (104KB, 320x313px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 320x313px

>>35945896
You're a buzzword.

File: d74ce18dd9a44d6b6b51ce408f23d012a386333b6318ff5c706aff8129b15575.jpg (36KB, 690x505px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 690x505px

>>35945792

>most leftists don't know anything about economics. they are too theoretical

kek

>>35945936
He did though not all young people are far left extremist you ding dong I know plenty of people my age group who voted for him and were open about it also
>a large percentage of 4chan users
>this site has hundreds of thousands of people frequenting

>>35945937
Who was your original post directed to?

>>35945838
so I take it you're willing to give up your computer, internet, etc and go live in a hovel in Bangladesh? no? now you see why capitalism works. yes, lots of people get screwed by it, but the alternative is a system where everyone except the ultra elites is equally poor, no one has the chance to get ahead, and thus no one has any motivation to contribute. like I said earlier, I experienced this on a smaller scale, and if you had any real experience with "communist" societies you would hate them too

>>35945948
>and appeal to the exact same people
Now that is actually possible, however it wasn't what you initially posted.

File: 1475136117292.gif (824KB, 785x757px) Image search: [Google]

824KB, 785x757px

>>35945950
heh not bad kid
but can you handle this
*teleports behind you*
*tips fedora to the side to reveal eye*
"buzzword"
*slices you in two*
nothing personal....kid

>>35945957
Are you telling me you've read advanced economics that's perfect tell us some of your knowledge of advanced economics anon :)

hard to believe, most people grow out of being left-wing, you should probably kill yourself my man.

Unless you mean you're starting to become less right-wing which is generally ok but pretty questionable in this current climate where 'centre' is actually so far left.

>>35945993
I would call Obama centrist, but he would be considered a neocon in the eighties.

File: 2.png (275KB, 680x356px) Image search: [Google]

275KB, 680x356px

>getting older
>starting to care less and less about the outside world
feels good man

>>35945986
Karl Marx was an economist. Adolf Hitler was a failed artist, the Italian fascists were poets and reporters and Spengler wasn't a fascist. There is no intellectual basis behind right wing politics.

>>35945960
Wrong
Hillary got 60% and third parties got 20% of young voters. The only young people who voted for him are redditors. Again conservatives are pretty much 35+.

>>35945372
>>35945404
Sorry guys - that's not Communism.

At the most, it's Socialism gone wrong.

Communism is the point where Class becomes obsolete - it's Anarchy in effect.

We've never really had a Communist State (debatable whether a Communist entity could even be called a 'state')

Socialism is the 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' - rule by the working class. It's meant to be the transition between Capitalism and True Communism - where the Working class become the ruling class and start to dismantle the entire class system.

However - so far all Socialist nations have kinda fucked up - it just become another Dictatorship. Sometimes they have good intentions near the start and really do try to bring about more equality. But usually it just defaults to a populist dictatorship that blames Capitalism for everything.

So called Communist Party's are actually Socialist with the idea being they are the party that will bring about Communism - not that they are Communist themselves.

I personally believe that although we probably could have a Communist world/'state' - it'd be too difficult and probably collapse back into the Authoritarian shit we get these days.

We'll have to wait for/ work towards a post scarcity economy - the means of production need to overtake the forces of Supply/Demand.
When we can all have as much of everything as we want/need - then Class becomes obsolete.

Automation of factories, 3D printing and Asteroid mining are taking huge steps in the Post-Scarcity direction.
Get into one of those area's and work your ass off for the sake of all humanity.

File: 576e8f3378a9ef815c7134ad448819961f89ced03a62be6a25cda5ceaa886120.jpg (37KB, 600x512px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 600x512px

>>35945993
>>Unless you mean you're starting to become less right-wing which is generally ok but pretty questionable in this current climate where 'centre' is actually so far left.
>in this current climate where 'centre' is actually so far left.

What? Since when is neoliberalism "far-left"?

>>35946025
>Tells me absolutely nothing
>Muh Karl Marx is all you spout
cute

>>35946029
So then what you're saying is communism is too hard to achieve and the road to it will constantly fail? Sounds about right.

>>35946028
>conservatives
>the low t voter bloc

>>35946028
>conservatives are only 35+
Your delusions are why Emperor Trump is Emperor Trump keep convincing yourself the shit you spew enjoy the next 8 years

File: YFaK8iV.jpg (61KB, 1024x787px) Image search: [Google]

61KB, 1024x787px

>>35946066

Capitalism was hard to reach during feudalism, that doesn't mean it will never happen.

>>35945964
To OP. But read it again. I said nothing about political ideology. All I said was get his t-levels checked. I even emphasized the "getting older" and left everything else out. Does /r9k/ have shit comprehension skills or are they so asspained and offended that they try to find some victimhood in everything?

>>35945374
>by taking no strong stance on any subject i can win all arguments and avoid any criticism
you

File: 1465991792700.jpg (38KB, 750x534px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 750x534px

>all these spooks in one thread
heh, nothing personnel, my property

>>35946028
Because our fellow millenials are retarded as fuck for the most part, most people I know(undergrads in mathematics, physics, etc.) either supported trump or hated both. Of course gender studies brainlets will support Hillary

File: Winston.jpg (243KB, 1000x1598px) Image search: [Google]

243KB, 1000x1598px

>>35945231
>this political migration literally never occurs

Churchill is worshiped by conservatives

But in his 30's he became a liberal, mostly because of the failings of the church and the suffering of the British poor at the time (one of his maids served his mother for years and years until her death then was out of a job, struggling to eat). He said he was a conservative in many respects but some form of welfare net was necessary.

>>35946091
Feudalism won't be happening any time soon friendo but capitalism will keep keeping on until we reach a point where we hard reset civilization

>>35946066
Well - more that we're not ready for it yet.

A revolution and socialism could work - but probably won't (as has been shown)

Communism is a historical process that will happen naturally - due to the changes in the world - primarily economic.

When we ship raw resources in by the GigaTon (maybe exageration) and we don't have to work because Robots are doing it all for us, when we can produce everything for pretty much nothing - what will be the point in a Class system?

How can you be rich if we have everything?


I'm sure it'll be slow. We'll cling onto forms of status and inequallity so some of us can remain happy purely relative to other peoples unhappiness.

But it's gonna happen.


Or we'll replace our class system against the poor, the foreign and the weird with one against aliens.

Space Fascism is another possibility.

>>35945231
/thread
In the impossible situation of OP actually telling the truth see
>>35945201

>>35946086
Where do you get your news, anon?

>>35946133
>implying we have a class system
I agree otherwise but the notion of class is fucking retarded

>>35946133
There will always be a need for something and there will be a want for reward thus capitalism will keep on keeping on

>>35946086
Trump fucked up his repeal gave ISPs the right to sell your browsing history and failed to lock up Hillary. He plans to pay for his wall by cutting funds for airport security. If I have to explain the last one to you all he'll gon break loose nigga

Wait until you leave your teens and become a centrist

>>35946152
reality you should come visit it some time

>>35946097
You said nothing of political ideology, but you were responding to a post about political ideology. Wiggle all you want man.

>>35946072
Older men have lower tests. So yes that'd be true

File: b244fce177ea9f05b605f516802593c892dd00aad01a2eb8b166e1af8d6cf189.png (3KB, 272x196px) Image search: [Google]

3KB, 272x196px

>>35946131
The point was that no system lasts forever, and we could figure out something to come after capitalism or watch it ruin the world.

>>35946153
Depends on how you define class

>>35945176
>older I get the more I start thinking technology is evil and we need to revert society back to the way it was before.

>>35946173
That's not an answer. Which news sources keep you informed?

>>35946166
The man has been president for 70 days, 19 hours and 46 minutes I'm giving him more time he's done pretty okay so far I'm enjoying him more than Obama so far.

>>35946130
He also wanted to nuke Moscow and kill all nonwhites

>>35946194
If you don't like my answer am I obliged to give you another?

>>35946153
Care to elaborate?

I see Class in my country at least (Britfag)

Private Schools so the rich and 'respectable' families get the best education and jobs - and so stay rich and respectable.

The huge difference in Crime rates, Public services and even life expectancy depending on your household income and the area you live in.


I mean - just the massively different culture between a 'nice' Suburb and a council Estate or Mid-City terraces screams Class Divide at me.

It's a system largely supported, fueled and reproduced by ourselves - not just the Ruling government Class.
But it's still there.

File: Terran_Empire_Alliance.png (20KB, 640x427px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 640x427px

>>35946133
>space fascism
Terran Empire when?

>>35946049
the fuck are you talking about
I meant 'centre' is so far left in comparison to x years ago where x is any number between 10 and 1000 years

>>35946166
you are right, i totally regret it, should have voted for Hillary instead!

>>35946177
If you want to read that much into it, go ahead. But are you implying then I'm not allowed to take one single point and respond to it? That sounds extremely childish.

>>35946165
Maybe.
I'm really banking on the idea that the Means of Production will overtake the means of Consumption.
A point where the rewards people want and more internal - a want for self-fufillment, to be proud of yourself and do something you want to do.

Maybe it won't be a completly Anti-Capitalist world like a lot of Hard-line Marxists spout.

Maybe it'll be more of an Anarcho-Capitalist world - with no class past that of the Individual.

And then maybe that'll turn back into Class based Capitalism, or Feudalism, or (alien)Slave economy.

But then it'll work it's way back to Communism again.
And again

>>35946245
The center has shifted left socially and right in everything else.

File: 1462223799316.png (618KB, 684x577px) Image search: [Google]

618KB, 684x577px

>Found this site when I was 14
>Immediately started to visit /pol/ every day
>Hate them with passion now that Im 20
It could have something to do with members of fascist party in my country being the biggest clowns I have ever seen

>>35946232
The fuck are you talking about? The center has swung right if anything, today democrats could have run as republicans in the 70-80s if you look at their economics.

>>35946252
Ancap is the more realistic outcome I could see some IRL cowboy bebop shit happening in the way future

>>35945351
>my shitty boards are the only shitty boards

>>35946269
And as long as it's really ANARCHIST-Capitalism - it's Communism to me.
No Class, no State, just individuals doing their thing.

>>35945948
>Learn what horseshoe theory is faggot
I'm sure he knows what it is, and therefore knows how utterly fucked it is.

Obviously socialists are the same as Nazis -- I mean they both advocate violence, right?

Never mind the massive gulf in theory.

>>35946269
Cowboy Bebop is ancap?

>>35946289
>No Class, no State, just individuals doing their thing.
So no capitalism then.

Don't be stupid; this will never happen. Anarchism is impossible. Hell, most anarchists know this -- that's why they hedge themselves with communism, or (God save them) capitalism. You have a few despooked egoists, but even they are doomed to failure. The truth is, freedom can never be given to more than one person. And it will never be given to even then.

The best and only thing to do is your own thing, in spite of any (useless, spooked) grand ideals.

It's why /pol/ is so babby-tier. But even /lit/ has flaws.

File: d2a0e8f491c4ae8301c1cd31c71f40a9d5b55daf.jpg (82KB, 684x817px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 684x817px

>>35945948
>t. peak liberal

>>35946322
That is unfair. And the smugness will only prevent people from seeing the truth.

The truth is that both of those people would share some characteristic (for example, they both bring frivolous lawsuits against each other), and as a result the uninformed normie (liberal) thinks they're effectively the same.

>>35946130
He sold his soul to the Rothschild so he could clear his debt.

>>35946267
>falling for the jewish tricks

>>35946305
Yeah pretty ancap

>>35946321
Well - i'd say that AN-Cap will degenerate into just plain Anarchism/Communism.
In a post scarcity world Capitalism is fairly pointless - although we'll cling to it longer than we need it.

And Freedom is not given to people.
It is taken from us.

>>35946195
So you're one of the 39% of Americans who approve of the job he's doing. What's it like being a minority?

>>35946343
if anything, the communist is worse. the fascist at least recognizes on some level they just want the rule of the strong, whereas the communist believes they and their leaders are truly just, which makes justifying atrocities a whole lot easier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rys45B4OhV0

>>35946204
You're not obliged, but I never get a straight answer from folks like you on where you get your news. It's status quo at this point.

>>35946247
Ok buddy, whatever. Have fun making non sequiturs (memes).

>>35946399
Show me your statistics from a reliable source friendo and yeah most people are okay with him unless they're raging liberal autists

>>35946400
>the fascist at least recognizes on some level they just want the rule of the strong
The vast majority do not. The vast majority simply want the rule of [their culture]. Some are actual intellectuals, but they have largely accepted the failures of Fascism and moved on (although often to equally fucked ideologies).

And even those believe it is "just" for the weak to be subdued by the strong.

Communists do not believe their leaders are just. The majority do not believe in leaders (even if they have leaders, they do not believe in them) and those which do simply believe they are necessary.
>Peterson
no
>>35946390
AN-cap would degenerate into Cap. With the state, of course.

Freedom is not taken. It is a standing up, as Stirner says. It is an introverted thing, it is a doing as you please. It is not a thing to make your heart warm as you start imagining all this so cool insurrection you're going to do. It is a recognition that humanity, equality, liberty, race and culture are all irrelevant.

File: Aesthetic communism.jpg (39KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 800x600px

>>35945176
Its what happenes when you fucking grow up and leave shit like that behind.
Continue until you become a commie.

>>35945289
Sounds like an interesting story Anon, please tell.

>>35946453
Here's a pew link from February showing his approval ratings.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/16/does-poll-include-or-exclude-nonvoters/ft_17-02-16_trumpapprovalmethodology/

Heres the most recent from Gallup. You consider Gallup reliable, I assume?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

>>35946457
I'd say that we;re all born with Freedom.
It's a natural state for animals - to be free within our physical/biological constraints.

We have our Freedom taken from us by the State/Society. We sign it away from ourselves in a Social Contract we really don't have a choice about.

It's sad to me that Freedom is taken so early and universally that you can make a very well reasoned and persuasive argument that Freedom isn't inherent to life.

>BLACK PEOPLE ARE SO OPPRESSED AND DINDU NUFFIN WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR DEM PROGRAMS

Blacks kill cops more often than cops kill blacks, it just doesn't become national news because it doesn't fit ((their)) agenda. Black communities are super dysfunctional and loads of blacks are truly shitty psychopaths in a way that poor whites usually aren't.

>FUCKING NIGGER SCUM I HATE THEM THEY'RE INFERIOR THEY HAVE A LOW IQ DUMB FUCKING NIGGERS

They were enslaved, then oppressed, then subjected to various social policies that made everything worse. Whites are the major reason that blacks are what they are. Race itself is really not important, it's culture. A person with black skin who acts white will be accepted, a white person who acts like a nig doesn't.

Basically the extreme points of view are always wrong but the center is hard because you get flack from both sides.

>>35946477
no thats gay
>>35946580
>within our physical/biological constraints
So not free then.

We lose "freedom" when we willingly sign it away. You are wrong; all those involved in the social contract are there willingly. They think it's a good thing. They think "of course I won't piss out the window, I wouldn't like it if they did that to me". They think "someone pissed out the window! How rude. How anti-social". And they never stop to realise what they're doing.

Freedom is untenable. Freedom cannot be held by anyone, not the freedom you seem to talk about. Besides that freedom, the most free people are those in prison -- those that know there is no contract, and know there is nothing anyone can do to punish them.

True freedom comes from accepting and rejecting the demiurge.

>>35946623
>Basically the extreme points of view are always wrong but the center is hard because you get flack from both sides.
When will you people understand that you're just being extreme centrists.

Besides, what you just described is pretty much what commies believe. Do you even read political or ethical theory? Or do you get you "knowledge" from /pol/ and Reddit?

>>35946542
Heres an updated Rasmussen poll, the polling company that traditionally rated Trump higher, and even they have him at 43 percent.
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar31

>>35946642
>>35946542
I've never heard of any of these sites so no

>>35946684
>http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_mar31
>>35946642
>open your fucking link and the first thing to pop up is a fucking school shooter reporting with dubstep in the back ground
(((polling)))

>>35946642
Democrats are at 35

>>35946684
You've never heard of Gallup or Pew Research? Golly you're either incredibly new to politics or incredibly uninformed. Either way, not a surprise.

>>35946378
How so, oreganono?

>>35946713
Dems aren't in office. Trump is. And he's an objective failure.

>>35946717
Nah your shit sites are shit sites any "reliable" political website that has dubstep blaring or videos popping up on the side of your window is shit. Remember buddy 8 years more!

>>35946707
I didn't get that school shooter thing at all. Weird.

>>35946743
>one party is disliked
>the other party is disliked more

That means if the election was held again today Trump would win again you jackass

>>35946752
If you're unaware of Gallup and Pew, you're hopeless. Uninformed voters are trash.

>>35946723
Black markets and large government bureaucracies,cryptocurrency, bounty hunting, hacking, and individualism are all recurring themes. If you want really AnCap anime watch Trigun.

>>35946787
Trigun is about as anti-AnCap as it's possible to get.

File: happyCapitalist.jpg (44KB, 618x413px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 618x413px

>>35945738
>these people should be glad we let them and their children work under slavery conditions in our sweatshops, otherwise they'd just be lounging about, the lazy bastards

>>35946792
>The only governments are city states. Bounties, private insurance, voluntarism, and the NAP are all recurring themes.
Sounds pretty AnCap to me

File: 1488264147651.gif (110KB, 200x289px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 200x289px

Honestly all this Marxist horseshit and neo-conservationism Alt-right as a term is too vague to use has made me double down on being a liberal. I personally seeing alot more people moving to these utopia type ideologies and I really don't think any sort of utopia is going to be achievable, very unrealistic stuff.

Really, to me. A strong liberal, secular society is the way to go these days. Especially to those that live in multicultural countries. I loathe the ethnic enclaves that are going on in Europe right now. Major political parties these days need some serious reform, too many corporatist cocksuckers on both sides on the spectrum that leads people into going into these extreme left/right wing ideologies.

Sorry if I'm my thoughts are a bit all over the place.

>>35945297
>>35945297
You guys are fucking retarded.

Old fucks have always been conservative.
The baby boomer generation was the most conservative generation in their youth and that remain that way.

The reason it seems like the population now is becoming more conservative is because they are finally fucking retiring, and those old fucks have nothing better to do than fuck everyone's life up.

The "everyone gets conservative as they grow older" is the biggest fucking unsubstantiated meme ever perpetuated.

>>35946760
The dems have 3yrs and change to find a candidate to beat Trump. But he's currently underperforming compared to the previous 8 administrations. This is going to be an entertaining single term.

>>35946814
>PEACE AND LOVE
>btw here's a Priest
>PEACE AND LOVE
>no senpai I'm doing this out of the goodness of my heart, because community and shit
>but also individualism
>PEACE AND LOVE
It's Christian Anarchism.

>>35945176
>>Starting to see flaws in /pol/'s conservative values
Such as?

>>35946818
What do you think communism is?

See, Communism isn't utopian. It is very realistic, and it also isn't a good idea on paper. It's a bad idea but it's an idea which could "work". Like, monarchism, for example.

>>35946844
Spooks. Read Stirner.

>>35946831
Just because the characters act gay as fuck doesn't mean the setting isn't any less ancap. Fist of the North Star would be Anarchism.

>>35946130
the guy soldout for the jews and fucked the great emipire he loved so much by joining ww2

Just go hang out with some niggers.

>>35946786
psssst 8 more years :^)

>>35946863
The setting is not meant to be a good setting.

>>35946873
You're right and yet the people still live on their daily lives and find a way to stay happy they also happen to be OP af and decimate every nigger that gets in their way so what's your point?

>>35946821
It's not, voluntary voter census supports and if you want proof, google it and do your own research.

>>35946130
churchill started off as conservative, then liberal, and then (by 1924) conservative again until he died

>>35946895
So the point of the anime is to change the world from an ancap dystopia to a good happy Christian-anarchist one.

File: vlcsnap-104441-1.png (92KB, 245x250px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 245x250px

>>35946872
It's nice to have dreams, laddy.

>>35946913
You're forgetting this is anime and was put on Toonami so your realistic setting of child prostitutes and McNukes couldn't make the cut and the happy go lucky OP animoo characters will always be happy in whatever setting because it's anime.

>>35946934
This is the curtains are fucking blue tier.

>>35946932
you know we heard that a lot and yet my dreams came true when Trump became president keep rocking in the corner and convincing yourself it won't happen it happened this time and it will happen again willing to bet my balls

>>35946941
Yes and the reoccurring themes in the gay anime made by the cartoon jews still has AnCap themes if you have a problem with the chinese cartoon please feel free to contact the creator and pitch some ideas on a revamped Trigun

>>35946967
I don't have a problem with Trigun because I don't have a problem with art that has messages I disagree with Christian Anarchism isn't all that bad.

AnCapism, on the other hand, is difficult for anyone even slightly educated to take seriously.

>>35946949
A simple man with a simple dream. Good for you. Trump is his own worst enemy, it's going to be an entertaining single term.

>>35946897
Maybe you should Google it instead of just talking out of your ass and assuming facts are there, because that's exactly what I found.

Older people "getting more conservative" is just the result of the already conservative generations voting more. The fact that society continues to consistently grow more and more liberal or "degenerate" for the last dozen centuries should be a cue that we don't get more conservative.

>>35946982
that would imply Trigun is a serious anime

>>35946627
Well - if you define Freedom as within Physical/Biological means - which i do for the sake of being able to use the word in actual debate - then yes - that is Freedom.

And i'm part of the Social contract. Maybe by choice - because there are no other real options.
You want to stop paying your taxes - even if you don't use any of the socially funded services?
You get smacked with a baton and put in jail.

you don't want to work to pay those taxes - same applies.

If the only choices are torture or taxes - does that mean that everyone wants to pay taxes?

And in Prison - you can be punished.
You can be beat, you can have a longer sentence. You can get the Death penalty someplaces. You can get all kinds of shit done to you.

Prisoners being the most free sounds like a wacky new angle to look at it from - but it doesn't really stand up to any real scrutiny does it?

Of course - are we any free-er than them?

Maybe a bit - more for some. But not enough.

>>35947024
It fucking is I will fight you

>>35947016
>single term
Yes keep rocking back and forth mumble a little get the sweat and shakes out maybe go outside and have a cigarette so you can get ready for that second term

>>35947039
fight me The ending fight scene was the only good part of that anime

>>35945176
Commit suicide you degenerate piece of shit

Engage in degeneracy and vandalism. Tear down the system until you realize it was protecting you from yourself.

>>35947036
Friend, you are as spooked as can be.

You cringe at punishment. How can you be punished? Pain? Read stoicism.

Do as you please because there is nothing which can stop you, short of literally stopping you. And, everything can stop you. By simply existing you are now not free -- you must think a certain thing at a certain time, you may not think all things. And once it is thought it is done; you cannot go back. So you see even our thoughts are restrained.

And by who? The demiurge. Or perhaps nothing. But it helps to imagine the demiurge. You will never see it, because you are a blind god, but it -- or he, or whatever -- is there, pinning you down to this existence.

Do as you please, because all that can happen is what has already happened.
>>35947064
The anime had massive pace-related flaws but it was always serious. Sure, there's comedy, but it's still serious. Would you argue Don Quixote was not serious?

>>35947049
I predicted a Trump win early in the primaries, none of this is new to me. Enjoy the shitshow.

>>35947049
Anon, this will only create a huge backlash which will ensure a Sanders-esque landslide in the next election.

You can already see it happening.

Actually what's most likely is a Sanders-esque election and a reformed more "moderate" (but not moderate at all) Republican party + alt-right splinter group.

>>35946904
indeed

still though throughout the war years his deputy was the labour Clement Attlee, the guy who introduced the NHS.

>>35947087
It was as serious as Naruto

File: 1479671597582.jpg (381KB, 1414x610px) Image search: [Google]

381KB, 1414x610px

Modern leftism is an inevitable failure.

Let's what they promote;

Increased number of minorities who are so extremists they make Nazis look preferable

Increased degeneracy that only makes people confused and miserable

Increased welfare that only makes people sick and weak

So you have a system that is beneficial to the minority brown extremists and also detrimental to the hard and honest workers of society. What does this mean? Well since the honest worker is also less likely to procreate due to women being degenerate, all power is shifted to the extremist brown people, who rule their communities with iron will. And as such, leftism dies and is instead replaced with good-old Islamism.

This is the fate of modern leftism. Suicide.

File: 1488342638293.jpg (39KB, 665x574px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 665x574px

>get into fascism when I was 16
>3 years of being a complete edgelord
>actually read the source of the shit I was reading
>it's all either a lie or taken out of context on purpose
>realize that nazis didn't get from shithole to empire in a few years just because there were no jews in Germany, but because of the raubgold
>realize that there are literal kilograms of ashes and dead bodies to testify agaisnt holocaust denial
>realize that just because white people are slightly inclined to be smarter than africans doesn't mean anything in current society
It's like someone out there wants you to become a retard. I can't believe I fell for it for so long.

>>35947301
Bismarck promoted welfare.

>>35947312
>>realize that just because white people are slightly inclined to be smarter than africans doesn't mean anything in current society
You've never set foot in a decent University have you? Black people are more or less entirely incapable of dealing with higher studies that white people can cope with. But now they're dumbing studies down so even they can make it to the finish line.

Denying Holocaust is one thing, denying the inherent stupidity of niggers is another .

>>35947087
Well - may i define my use of the term 'Freedom' as Free within the bounds of physical/philisophical/biological nessecity - Free from Political opression in the form of Coercion via ArmedForces (incl police) and organized social pressure.

You're acting as though your philisophical view of the term 'Freedom' trumps my more practical use of the term.

When i say Freedom - i don't mean 100% fully free. I at least mean more Free than we are now - and largely free of political influence/oppression - Since we're all debating politics.
And i will concede that Pre-Determinism (which i can't say i disagree with) does render all these points void - which is why i choose to act under the assumption that not all points are pre-determined.

>>35947379
>Well - may i define my use of the term 'Freedom' as Free within the bounds of physical/philisophical/biological nessecity - Free from Political opression in the form of Coercion via ArmedForces (incl police) and organized social pressure.
No. Philosophical freedom cannot be extricated from political freedom.
>You're acting as though your philisophical view of the term 'Freedom' trumps my more practical use of the term.
Because it does. See above. "Practicality" is only practical if it actually does something, which yours doesn't. You're making yourself wrong just so you can have a conversation. That's not worthwhile.

I said nothing of determinism. Logic and such cannot be trusted, and neither can that statement, nor trust.

>>35947331
But he didn't promote degeneracy or multiculturalism. See, welfare works so long as there is great unity of a society and the honest working man can feel that his work goes to something, even if that's meaningful taxes to his fellow peers.

Why would an honest working man stand by today when 40% of his salary goes to ape-like Somalians who despise him and probably spit at him when he turns their back to them?

Modern leftists seek the destruction of the unity of western countries while simultaneously also asking them to pay up the price of multiculturalism and the loss of a home.

This is why even NatSoc is preferrable to modern leftism. Atleast NatSoc isn't immoral enough to take a man's taxes while also slowly working to his demise. If you seek a high-taxes society with great welfare net, then unity of nationality is a must.

>>35947408
I don't know. Why would they?

And why do they?

In any case, I don't particularly want to argue for socdemocracy because I think it's bullshit unless you're going full Bismark.

NatSoc is preferable, but only because it provides a clearer antagonist for you to struggle with.

Egoistic union is the only real ideal.

>>35947403
Could you please provide me with a term more suitable for the idea i'm trying to convey then?

I do understand that i'm using the term Freedom within a very poorly constructed social context - but one that is widely understood; even if it is perhaps logically inconsistent.

>>35945176
Right wing posting is contrarian / meme posting and nothing else

>>35947516
>Could you please provide me with a term more suitable for the idea i'm trying to convey then?
No it's a useless thing to talk about. You can't just scalpel out things which are inconvenient to you, purely so you can launch into a more "productive" debate.

My point is that your political freedom has no bearing on actual freedom, and in fact belief in it restricts your actual freedom (insofar as it exists; of course freedom is all-or-nothing, you cannot have "limited" freedom, but, for the purposes of conversation, we'll talk about what freedom remains).

>>35945176
People get conservative as they get older, if you thought you were conservative on an anime forum I got news for you.

Technically you are growing into a teenager. As you actually become older you will be conservative.

>>35947408
>Why would an honest working man stand by today when 40%
t /pol/welfare queen who doesn't know how taxes work

>>35947092
So who's going to win? Warren? Big Pharma Booker? The only way you'll win is if you try to bring in another Obama which will not happen. You're not going to get some socialist to run the Democratic party. You just tried, didn't work too well.

>>35945176
if you get more and more left wing the older you get you obviously are retarded

>>35947584
This is only true for normies who never read anything.

>>35945404

>I know perfectly well what communism is and that it requires a state and an elite class to maintain it

By definition communism holds that society cannot have social classes. If there are classes, it's not communism.

>>35947561
Yes - but my 'political' freedom matters more to me than my 'actual' freedom.

Why i called it 'practical' freedom before is because - as you said - actual Freedom is a useless thing to talk about.

Practical/political freedom is what i would consider the applicable freedom.
The things we can change - the things in our socioeconomic world that suppress the opportunities to happiness/life.

Perhaps freedom isn't the right word for the idea no matter the prefix. I just used it because it sounded right to me.
If it isn't the right word, i would invite you again to provide a better word.

>>35945460
>alcoholic
>talks about responsibility
Topkek how is McDonalds this time of year?

>>35945289
fascism will always be preferable to libertarianism

>>35945335
>I made this migration when I stopped being an edgy teen.

This is accurate. I used to be an edgy fedora tipping liberal but migrated to more coherent populist leftie position.

I see no difference between my edgy high school "god isn't real" phase and the edgy Polack "gas the Kikes" phase. This dude who claims a migration to less contrarian and less edgy views is somehow "unheard of" is full of shit>>35945231

>>35945460
>once you get a real job and actually start contributing to society, both communists and fascists look dangerously stupid

So what you're saying: once bossman cucks you by being able to buy your internet activity data from your Internet Service Provider you will refrain from criticizing the capitalist system OR espousing views that are considered politically incorrect and could cost you your job ?

That's cool. But where exactly is the part about you being right ?

>>35945463
>Anyone who supports communism unironically is mentally ill. I say this as someone who grew up in post-soviet eastern europe


Waaaaa waaaaaaaaa Stalin's secret police Serbo-Polish Stasi KGB UDBA Militias took my grandad's wheat field and raped him with a broomstick. This defines my political views today because that's intelligent and anyone disagreeing with me is mentally insane lel.

Your grandad was a fucken fascist Kulak who deserved it !

>>35945633
Nah. A vast majority of right-wingers STILL don't understand the difference betwen private and personal property and STILL believe that socialism is when government does stuff. Their understanding of leftism is fucking laughable.

>>35945473
>severely shat on by other countries
there you have your problem anon. There has never been a communist country that other countries have actively tried to sabotage.

>>35945463

Slav anti-communists have always been the political equivalent of Beta orbiters. Imperialist thot Hitler only kept you around for your cash and troops, but a look in the mirror will tell your fucking potato-head self that you'll never be the master race he picks to go to prom with.

File: futuristic cyborg.jpg (73KB, 610x760px) Image search: [Google]

73KB, 610x760px

>>35947087
>read Stoicism
Stoicism is fucking stupid, though.

>>35948316
counterpoint: kulaks did nothing wrong and if russia had gone ancap they'd be on mars right now

>>35945473
>they went from being wealthy and owning a majority of Havana to having to share houses in what was the equivalent of a commie block
Good.

>>35948455
>if russia had gone ancap they'd be on mars right now


Too bad they went Soviet and got to Mars in the 60s

File: 1480972038505.jpg (160KB, 499x499px) Image search: [Google]

160KB, 499x499px

>>35945176
Embrace it anon. Soon you will understand the power of free healthcare and social equality.

I mean generally, being able to modify your own political opinions is pretty fucking normal. most people shift their views one way or the other quite a bit in their lifetimes. of course, many remain too proud to reveal that, maybe not even to themselves entirely. but they do reveal it sometimes in the voting booth otherwise having elections more than once per census would be pointless and always yield the same results. Trump was the best example of many people obviously shifting their views while the public sphere and even personal sphere entirely failed to reflect actual political outcomes.

>>35948295
You realize that they can't do that right?

Did you actually read the bill?

File: 0000912757976.jpg (108KB, 500x600px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 500x600px

>>35945176
>250+ replies
I was never really conservative but I used to enjoy /pol/ for the offensive jokes and memes.
now I'm just sick and tired of their racist nonsense. they've shitted up /his/ so badly, which used to be my favourite board.
it must be frightening to be a /pol/ack. to live in a hellish nightmare reality fuelled entirely by memes, where everyone is out to get you for being white, white people are being bred out of existence etc etc. but I'd be lying if I said I had any sympathy for them.

I love coming to this board and seeing everyone be a communist. Is this because none of you can get a girlfriend because you're a fat or Skelly NEET so you try to role-play as some communist revolutionary? Or that you think you deserve shit for just existing?

This is why this board needs to go. You and /pol/.

>>35945176
Happening to me.

Libertarian from age 14 to 17, Right from 17 to 25, left from 25 to 26.

All it has done for me is given me a politically (((diverse))) positioning like realizing corporate cock gobbling and needing the right wing nanny state has helped me not want a left wing nanny state either but value individual freedumbs etc. But I'm starting to realize in questions such as what do we do about the genetic differences in race are questions the right doesn't have an answer for - just the data to make the claim, but no solution.

And that hitler is the right's stalin - two crazy faggots who did nothing but get their chosen people massacred.

>>35948716
Did you support Hillary from the get-go?

Both extremes are cancerous. Tow the middle ground like a true robot.

>>35948723
nice loaded question.

No, I read the leaks thoroughly, even though I'm not American.

>>35948745
What do you think of the refugee crisis?

>>35948759
I think they're being imported as a new, more pliable, hyper religious and backwards lower and working class for the benefit of their corporate masters because the hyper religious and under civilized don't complain about the conditions they work in or the life they lead because god will take them at the end of it, to paradise.

Incidentally it's the same wort of organizations and moneybase that has a hand in importing and forcing acceptance of them that also had a hand in lobbying for the wars and assaults on their homelands that we didn't vote for, as original citizens.

tl;dr we're all being taken advantage of and driven against each other but the people they're importing have been made so retarded that they're barely at the level to be literate to heed warnings about being manipulated

>>35945176
>was socially liberal and economically socialist as a young teen
>then became socially liberal and fiscally conservative
>am now socially conservative and economically keynesian after college
I don't know what this makes me.

>>35948571
a robot is not equal to boots on the ground in much the same way that doctrine is not equal to food

File: linda sarsour women's march.png (2MB, 1141x1067px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1141x1067px

Mine is the complete opposite. I used to be quite left-wing when I was younger, even somewhat communist. But as I grew older I started to see how shitty the left-wing ideals were, how more ideological than functioning they are etc. I've been starting to drift more right-wing.

The last nail in this coffin was how I see media and left-wing politicians whitewash the problems of the """""refugees""""", politicians and TV talking heads claiming to be anti-racist when in reality they're just anti-white, all the retarded cultural marxism, cultural relativism bullshit in media etc.

No way would I call myself nazi, because I love freedom, freedom of speech, equality etc. all that good stuff, but for many left-wing politicians equality is not self-explanatory. For them "equality" is affirmative action/"positive racism", silencing media that is reporting migrant and minority caused crimes, labeling anybody who disagrees as a racist, pushing retarded communist tier "hate speech" laws, poisoning school system with marxist bullshit, and holding white europeans as the devil.

Picture somewhat related, that is one of the leaders of the Women's March habbening, and she's advocating for sharia law.

>>35947924
>Yes - but my 'political' freedom matters more to me than my 'actual' freedom.
That's stupid and a symptom of being spooked af my nigger.

>>35945176
There are some things that are considered left wing which are necessary for a healthy society. I think that having a strong work force allowing Unions is good, and Trump's populistic approach is how it should be done. Either you're a surface level pleb who never really thought about politics, or you're making similar conclusions. This however would not mean you are left wing. There are definitely flaws in /pol/'s conservative values if you can call them that. Their promotion of libertarian style society doesn't work when demographics favor minorities and Democratic politicians. Reliance on Capitalism despite it's reliance on usury is another giant flaw, however you will find many on /pol/ who realize this. Quite frankly, you should read more books such as Jacque Ellul's "The Technological Society" and James Burnham's "The Managerial Revolution". Should this not be bait or the musings of a pleb you will enjoy these works and probably understand politics and society better. Hopefully you make the realization that strong community bonds are for the best, but they are in conflict with the Technological society and are often cast away as centralization and atomization of society occurs leading to mass unhappiness and the growth of dissatisfied groups of people. The rise of mass shooters is a symptom of mass society, and one could postulate /r9k/ as well.

>>35948899
>This is the face of /pol/

>>35948851
Pretty sure it makes you gay bro. Sorry

>>35948800
Fair enough.

You aren't at least a blind leftist like the leftists that I know.

They all assume the refugees are engineers or doctors when in reality they've never worked or barely had an education.

>>35945176
>still anime posting
Nigger, you're 22, at most.

>>35948978
Why would you base your view of politics off whatever retards you happen to be close to?

I happen to be in a conservative area, hence I'm surrounded by dumb edgy /pol/teens, that doesn't mean I automatically assume conservatism as a concept is bunk.

>>35948716
>>35948800
If you seek answers you will find them here mpcdot.com. It should probably cure you of leftism and there you shal find answers to many of the problems traditional conservatives ignore. Just don't shit up the place.

>>35948902
Well - there's a constant debate of Ideals vs Reality.
not sure which side of it i really fall on.
But i thought Reality would be more relevant here

>>35949062
>Well - there's a constant debate of Ideals vs Reality.
Maybe if you refuse to look outside your puny PolSci degree.

There is no philosophy/reality dichotomy. The nature of being is, who'd have guessed, integral to...existence. What you are doing is deliberately blinkering yourself when it comes to philosophy purely so you can run up to """reality""" and make """real changes""" which accomplish nothing because they have no foundation.

File: multiculti.png (42KB, 600x443px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 600x443px

Why is diversity and multiculturalism only celebrated when we're talking about fusing two incompatible cultures together? Scandinavians are pretty much sharing the same area and they all have their own unique variations of the Nordic cultures. So similar, yet so different, and they all get along just fine. There have been wars between the Scandinavians, but even then they were not about clashing of cultures.

What is the lefts goal with flooding hundreds of thousands of savages into country that has completely opposite views as them? Who thought it would be good idea to turn good Swedish city parts to America-tier ghettos?

Shit like this is my biggest beef with lefties. I'm OK with semi-socialist/welfare capitalist/social welfare system like Sweden and Finland, I don't mind someone NEETing on taxpayer's expense. At least NEETs and other unemployed weirdos are mostly harmless and may someday even actually work.
But pumping money to some migration system that will bring more rapists and murderers into my country? On my expense? And I get called fascist if I dare to question the benefits? Fuck that shit.

Rapefugees fuck off, I don't want to pay money so that Akhmed can rape and burn my country.

>>35948967
Care to explain?
origii

>>35949136
Well we;re only really talking about this because i used the term 'freedom' incorrectly.
I attempted to change it to 'practical' freedom to differentiate it from the 'actual' freedom that anon said i was ignoring.

If there is a better word to describe the 'practical' freedom and changes that i endorse?

The concept i'm trying to get across does indeed exist - as i'm endorsing it.
So, please. What's the word?

>>35949163
>Why is diversity and multiculturalism only celebrated when we're talking about fusing two incompatible cultures together?
It isn't.

Next?
>>35949199
The meaning of freedom is a significant part of what we are arguing. I'm saying political freedom is useless, and should not be used. I'm saying your whole concept of "practical" freedom, as opposed to actual freedom, is flawed. I understand what you're saying, anon, I'm just also disagreeing with it.

>>35949163
What's the big deal with being called fascist? You think socdems aren't called commies?

Grow a pair and stop crying about your fee-fees.

File: angel-tramp.jpg (12KB, 319x298px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 319x298px

How come non-white countries don't need "diversity"? Why is multiculti only good when implemented on Europe? Imagine if someone decided that Japan needs to be more multiculti, and then they started to pump hundreds of thousands of whites to Japan in a pace so fast that just in few years there would be more whites in Japan than og-Japs. Japan would fill up so fast with new people that they would have no time to assimilate to Japanese culture.
Japan as we know it would cease to exist. It would still be called Japan, but the people and culture would be completely different, or at least morphed to the new white immigrant version of Japanese culture. It would be called Japan, but it wouldn't be Japan.

File: tumblr_n5qlk4oF2g1r9z647o1_400.gif (1MB, 384x216px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 384x216px

>>35949302
Why does the alt right have such a fucking boner for Japan? Jesus.

File: terrorism stat comic.jpg (34KB, 537x720px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 537x720px

>>35949236
I find it numbingly retarded to call a person who's pro-freedom and pro-freedom of speech as fascist for not wanting to anti-freedom groups to take over.

People around here get called fascist for not wanting Hamas-funded grand mosques/terrorist training facilities to be built in our European cities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQFmb0-gAyQ

>>35949371
So you didn't answer anything you butthurt faggot.

Anyway you're obviously not pro-freedom if you A. want to limit/restrain anything and B. believe in anything.

File: sspurdo.png (40KB, 309x433px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 309x433px

>>35949342
Why do the "anti-fascists" and "equalists" have such a fucking boner for destroying cultures, nations, and people?

>>35949371
Also Christian terrorism is pretty fucking big. Just not in your nice shiny comfort zone.
>>35949411
Because they deserve to be crushed. Their weakness is my strength; their death is my life.

>>35949393
I did answer the question of "What's the big deal with being called fascist?".

I know people are called names all the time, especially in politics of all subjects. But when the name calling is supposed to be the argument, that is when we have a problem.

>the migrants are overrepresented in all rape and murder crime statistics, and it turns out that most of the migrants are not migrants at all but people from non-crisis countries just riding the coat tails of tragedy!
>-well you're a RACIST and a FASCIST, end of discussion t. politician

That's how it goes. That's yuropean politics for you.

File: 1351028639455.jpg (39KB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 640x480px

>>35945176
The same thing is happening to me. I'm 25 now and I'm definitely way more progressive/left/whatever than I was years ago. /pol/ just makes me cringe now, especially now that I realize how many of the people there really are underage.
https://youtu.be/DwsMNRhUFzE

>>35949342
Weeaboos, anon. They're weeaboos.

>>35949420
Enjoy your multiculti hellhole, I'm sure it's going to be just A-OK when your home country looks and feels like your favorite counter strike levels.

>>35945176
>what should i do?

Go back to /pol/ and never ever come to this board

>>35949464
>I did answer the question of "What's the big deal with being called fascist?".
No you didn't. All you did was reiterate "waagh my feelings". People get called names all the time, and you're in any case deluding yourself. You just don't want to recognise that your shitter beliefs are similar to those of a shitter.

Your stats are fake, your beliefs are neurotic, your priorities are fucked and your self-righteous persecution complex is annoying and unjustified.
>>35949498
>home country
Did you read a word I said?

I'm gonna join the military anyway ;)

File: 277.png (14KB, 627x554px) Image search: [Google]

14KB, 627x554px

SEIG HIEL :DDD

>>35949528
damn even spurdo looks /fa/ in the nazi uniform

File: 1484317801399.png (23KB, 155x285px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 155x285px

>>35947301
>detrimental to the hard and honest workers of society

NEETs win again.

>>35949411
>people never ever assimilate

>>35948669
>they've shitted up /his/ so badly, which used to be my favorite board

What's wrong fuckboi, don't you like threads about the ethnic make-up of ancient civilisations?

>>35949678
/his/ is just where commie faggots and LARPing nazis spread their venom. It's annoying as fuck.

>>35949703
As opposed to here

File: gay roof.jpg (30KB, 634x354px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 634x354px

>>35949632
They do, but only when the both cultures are somewhat compatible. For example a group that is pro-LGBT, and and group that will execute sexual minorities are not going to mix.
Sweden for example is pretty big in women's issues, feminism, LGBTQ rights etc. and the supposed Syrians... well they're not.

It's not that different cultures can't change, it's just that Islamic theocracies hold Islam as the center of their culture and belief system, and they sure as hell are not going to change it.

>>35945231
If OP is a brainlet who subscribed to these beliefs for emotional reasons he could easily just adopt another belief for emotional reasons as well

If on the other hand you gain those views based on factual information about things like crime and intelligence the only way to return to a different mindset is to overdose on drugs or have a lobotomy

>>35949746
Have you met second gen muslims? They're whitewashed as fuck and think Sharia law is stupid. They even acknowledge that parts of the quran are outdated. Hell, a lot of educated muslims and sikhs who migrate here believe that if you're not going to assimilate, don't bother coming and go home.

>>35949786
But it's usually the third- or fourth generation Muslims living in first world countries who are the most easily radicalized
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism#cite_note-Europol-2009-201

>>35949825
>tfw the point of terrorism is to make people hate Muslims so Muslims hate people so they become radicalised so you can do more terrorism...

>>35945176
I can't say the same but I was never in either bunk, but I have hated women and minorities a lot more when I was younger, as I've grown I've taken more humanitarian and individualistic views.

It feels very wrong now to make sweeping statements about people. Which is weird because I'm pretty much only on /r9k/ nowadays and we have daily woman hate threads, casual racism and /pol/ overflow.

>>35948899
>Women not having agency on their own means of transportation
>Okay because [completely unrelated topic]
Does Islam cause brain damage?

>>35945176
The conservative ideology has never made sense. Especially through the lens of a bunch of degenerate losers on 4chan.

It's retarded virtue signalling for those who don't know anything about actual political policy.

File: charlie hebdo muslim.jpg (101KB, 570x720px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 570x720px

>>35949834
>islam has nothing to do with terrorism
>still have to tiptoe around islam related issues or else they will turn into terrorists

>>35950344
>ideas create conditions

>>35948899
>liberal
>left-wing

depends on what you consider left wing,
mass immigration was originally an economcially right-wing idea
Daily remind Reagan did more to destroy family values and the american family structure than any LGBTQWERTY+ lefties /

I'd say just ignore politics if you aren't intrested interested in studying political thoery,anthropology,sociology and economics.

I'm a commie because that is my personal alternative to a deep globla crisis.We are reaching an abyss.State soverignety is out of the window not because of crazy liberals who want globalization and multiculturalism but because big capital is not constricted by national birders anymore.Corporations are constantly blackmailing states into accepting refugees under the guise of tolerance when all they want is cheap labour or they'll threaten to move to China.

Protests are erupting all over the word and state corruption has bascially spread to most countries.These are the symptoms ,not the causes.

The only viable political ideology is the one that will finally provide us with a view of the future.Right-wingers bascially want to revert back to nation-state economies and the rest can go fuck themselves.Their solution is blissful ignorance.It won't work.The barbarians at are the gates and they're rightfully asking for their slice of the pie.
Young european NEETS dress themselves up in women clothes and play videogames all day while Afghanis pimp out their children so they don't starve.I don't care wether you hate brown people or not but I'm sure you can understand the rationality behind crossing a continent just to move to Sweden.When they arrive there is no incentive or way to integrate them into the workforce.Work gives people meaning and identity.Living off welfare is alienating.Loss of identity and religious extremism go hand in hand in this case.Instead of going on /pol/ and blaming the jewish cabal they join ISIS .

being a liberal doesnt mean sucking up after minorities or mentally ill faggots. Why cant americans get it right?

>>35950792

I was going to write another paragraph but fuck it.Just don't get your educayshun from pitiful attention-whoring e-celebs like Sargon of Akkad or whatever...unless you equate intellectualism with constantly pumping out a trillion videos on why SJWs are bad and stating the obvious about Politcal Corectness double-speak.

>>35950944
Not to mention his videos boil down to
>[SJW does something stupid]
>"YOU THOUGHT [stupid thing]? YOU IDIOT! YOU FUCKING IDIOT!"

File: frenchtheyhatethegermans_thegermanshatethedutch_andIdon'tlikeanybodyverymuch.jpg (124KB, 906x403px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 906x403px

>>35946218
I enjoyed this reference.
I've lived that space fascism simulation many times in my escapist mind.

File: 1490630669089.jpg (414KB, 1800x1322px) Image search: [Google]

414KB, 1800x1322px

>tfw holocaust seems more bullshit as I age

>>35945176
>implying you can't be conservative without being a trump-sucking god-fearing templar-nazi

It's almost like /pol/ is a vocal minority or something

File: pinochet.jpg (140KB, 424x537px) Image search: [Google]

140KB, 424x537px

>>35945176
First, you have to get to the nearest helicopter rental place. Then you sign up for a tour. Once you're in the air, proceed to open the door and jump off, you fucking cocksucker.

File: George7a.jpg (113KB, 750x726px) Image search: [Google]

113KB, 750x726px

>>35945176
Ya this happened to me too. I was a libertarian Randroid in HS until I turned 21. Then I quit smoking pot, masturbating, and playing vidya daily. Now at 26 I am drifting farther to the left daily. I am thinking about opening a Young Democratic Socialists of America chapter on my university campus but that is difficult for someone still so antisocial. Maybe I will just commute to the big city and work with their chapter first.

>>35953097
You tried so hard

>>35953466
>to socialise, you must socialise
I know this feel.

File: 1490740971396.jpg (31KB, 384x369px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 384x369px

>>35945176
You should fuck off

>>35953501
I'm glad I'm not alone. I have a great appreciation for my community but I have been in the hills for so long that joining groups or assuming leadership gives me anxiety (I still can't answer the phone if I don't recognize the number and I can only buy groceries at night like a ghoul). My desire to contribute is strong but my compulsion towards confinement is stronger.

Maybe if my friends were more interested I'd be able to get involved but the last time I talked politics with them was in my manic state and I popped off about some tinfoil hat conspiracy shit that I'm still embarrassed about.

>tfw always knew pol was fucking retarded but appreciated the creamy meemees

>>35953545
Bolshevism is nearly as bad as normal capitalism.
>>35953597
Eh, you'll get better. It'll take time but whatever.

File: 1491030303928.jpg (46KB, 598x400px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 598x400px

>getting older
>starting to grow more and more right wing
>starting to see the truth behind /pol/'s conservative valules

File: arno breker.jpg (72KB, 640x483px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 640x483px

>raised a fascist by my father and grandfather
>be fascist now
>will die a fascist

i took /pol/ seriously but now its honestly gone too schizo. Their endgoals are good but they honestly take themselves seriously. I dont want to be le whiny old fag (specially when i first used the site around 2012) but /pol/ was seriously better when they didnt have ip flags. Altough at start it was bareable but when Moot fucked the board up for over a week or something many oldfags fucked off to 8ch. Last drop for me was when unironic russian shills entered the board. Apart from Trump its shitty version of /int/
>AUSTRALIA STOP SHITPOSTIN
>POO IN THE LOO XD
>NIGGERS ARE DUMB LAZY AND AIDS
>HERE IS MY 100 PAGE ESSAY HOW WE SHOULD TAKE GOOK WIVES
>CANCEROUS GENERAL VERSION 100000
>Butthurt serbs *SHITTY NATO will be destroyed by RUSSIA* thread
Even the fucking shitty remove kebab meme that i made in 2013 was still around last time i visited.

>>35953714
You will die a good fascist.