How the fuck are men "privileged" in the modern world

>>35727831
some women are oppressed in third world countries.
I would argue they need feminism.

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>>35727831
My fav Siri vid is her shota vid where she plays an English teacher who takes the virginity of an 'underage' Asian boy.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=323766322

>>35727831
it's the narrative that petty people like to push so that they can feel important

Feminism is because nowadays women actually have to get jobs. Most working husbands can't support a woman with his income alone. The only problem with that is even when they achieve equality they don't want to rid of convenient obsolescent practices. Essential their lives just got easier.

I'm an autist though so who really knows.

Women in shitty countries like the Middle East are oppressed. A woman in some Middle Eastern countries can be stoned to death for not wearing a hijab in public. Oddly enough, though, most first world feminists would rather complain about the "wage gap" and catcalling.

>>35727831

Imagine 100 men and 100 women move to an island. Suppose the men start building things, shelters, roads, etc. Suppose the people in the construction industry are about 95% men. Suddenly, women say that men have all the jobs, and they can't break into the industry (that men created). Men built it, but women want in, instead of going off and building their own things.

That's what Silicon Valley is. "Look at all these privileged males who invented all this stuff!" "I'm being oppressed because they invented all this shit before I did."

>>35727831
It's weird as fuck that they complain so much today. It feels like they complain more than actual women would have back in the 1920s. Why are they so caught up with things that don't even happen and the past?

>>35727874
This porn is fucking hilarious
i love it though because you know she probably hated filming it and was repulsed by the male actor. But hey, for a few thousand dollars she'll do anything.

>>35728724
>It's weird as fuck that they complain so much today. It feels like they complain more than actual women would have back in the 1920s.

"Give them an inch and they'll take a mile."

Selfishness breeds selfishness. Entitlement breeds entitlement.

Western women have lost all sense of perspective. Suddenly catcalling is worse than being stoned to death in a Muslim country.

Maybe some would argue that it's like a kid who's never been spanked, they can grow up into a completely spoiled brat, a tiny little megalomaniac. But you can't hit women anymore in Western countries.

"There are no physical repercussions for women for being an asshole."

They act like they have diplomatic immunity everywhere they go, spoiled little "princesses."

>>35727831
It's something that I find is really hard to explain to men, it's a definite thing but you don't see it because you're on the other side, like a two-way mirror or something.

Essentially the world was built around men and what men want and need and do, especially the business world, and that's to be expected, because men built it. However, men aren't the only ones inhabiting it anymore. It can be really difficult for women to enter certain fields because of the way they're set up, like a woman in STEM is likely to not finish her degree and I think it's because
1. She's usually the only female in any of her classes
2. People treat her poorly for wanting to do "a man's work"
People will treat a woman like shit if she says she doesn't want kids as well. I think it's normal for a woman to want to focus on her career, it's certainly normal for a man to do so, so why do people act like it's horrible if a woman doesn't want to give birth or raise a family? You can say "That's all a woman is good for" but isn't that technically what a man is for, too, procreation?

There's also the problem with rape, it's still true that most rapists are never caught and a lot of women who are raped are told they are to blame. That's like saying, it's your fault for going to work at the WTC on 9/11, or that it's your fault your house was broken into by teenage hoodlums. It's not kind, it trivializes the trauma of rape, and it makes women less likely to report rape for fear of being made fun of, thus more rapists are left out in public.

Women just want to live alongside men without being made to fear the world they live in or made to struggle because of their gender. As with any social movement there are a lot of very loud extremists but they don't represent the whole. I would never call myself a feminist to anyone for any reason, but I do consider myself a supporter of true equal rights for both genders.

>>35729080
>Women just want to live alongside men without being made to fear the world they live in or made to struggle because of their gender.

Do you think men think the world is safe? No, men are expected to protect their loved ones, even die for them if necessary.

Women can choose to work. Women can choose to be a stay-at-home mom. Men are expected to earn more. Men are expected to pay. Men are expected to initiate contact. Men are expected to get on one knee and give someone a rock that cost 3 months salary. Men are expected to build all the big things, repair all the big things, mine the coal, work in the sewage treatment plants, pick up the garbage, repair the downed power lines, be drafted into the military, all the stuff that people just take for granted living in civilization. Men are just expected to do these things.

And starting at age 37, men have a higher mortality rate. Meanwhile, there is something like 5 times as many women who are 100 years old or older than men.

Real privilege is when you don't even realize how privileged you are.

>>35729179
And let's not talk about men problems being mocked on a global scale while women "problems" are a first priority.
And the money spent on breast cancer compared to the money spent on testicular cancer. And parental custody. And incarceration, for some reason being a woman earns you less years in prison.

>>35729179
>men are expected to protect their loved ones, even die for them if necessary
When and where is this still the case? This is an antiquated notion as much as any. No one expects men to die for them. Men choose to enlist in the army (currently). There was even some proposed legislation in the last few months trying to get women to have to sign up for the draft. I personally think the draft should be abolished entirely, that if a country doesn't have enough citizen support to fight the war with voluntary enlistees, then it shouldn't fight the war.

>Men are expected to earn more
>Men are expected to pay
>Men are expected to initiate contact
>etc
You come into contact with these kind of old-fashioned women when you value old-fashioned women. You can date a feminist, not even a pink-haired landwhale feminist, just a normal one, and none of this will be an issue.

Men aren't "expected" to do anything other than their jobs, which women are also expected to do. If you don't want to do a job, don't get hired doing that job. Fields like coal mining, sewage treatment, etc are male-dominated fields because they were built by men doing them. A woman is very hard-put to find a job in construction because the men in charge think she can't do it and will only slow them down. Same goes for a lot of fields, but I actually do see many more female construction workers in the last few years.

Men have a much higher rate of disease and accidental death related to play activities, commit suicide more often, and are more likely to avoid going to the doctor for routine checkups and even necessary treatment.

This page does a good job covering the basics.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlier-than-women-201602199137

>>35729179
>>35729463
con't
I don't think that's a good or normal thing. I think that needs addressed as well, WHY do men die more often from heart disease, WHY do men commit suicide more, but a lot of it simply has to do with biological gender differences as well, and that will always be a factor in men and women both.

inb4 biological gender differences mean women have to be housewives and caretakers
In Iceland's great economic crash in 2008, all of their banks failed except the only one that was founded by and run by women. (Incidentally, unlike America, Iceland let all its banks fail and jailed the bankers whose shoddy practices crashed the economy, and have made an amazing recovery in just six years, better than America and better than they were before the crash.)
Women supported the USA during WWII when most men were fighting the war, even in a time when women didn't usually work.
There were female first responders at the WTC site on 9/11. Females die protecting their children and even their students.

The thing is that gender inequality hurts men as well as women.
>saying "privilege" unironically
shiggy m8, I thought we were having good discussion here.

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>>35727831
Has it ever occurred to you fucking morons that both genders have problems?

I'm a guy, so I'm obviously gonna feel like women have it easier because I don't fucking know what it's like to be a girl. It's the same situation with girls. Why can't we all just admit we all have issues with life, because, as much as it's hard to believe, but that's just life.

How about instead of men going on /r9k/ and bitching about how women only have to be skinny to get their way in life and women going on tumblr to talk about how men find it easier to get jobs and shit, why don't we just get over our pathetic, pointless excuses of lives and just get on with it.

While I typed that out, a few million kids and/or animals probably just got their head kicked in by their parents. And here I am, talking about gender issues. Fuck this world.

>>35727831
>How the fuck are white men privileged?
They're not. Well.. maybe some. I'm not. I work in retail part time as a bagger and get bitch stares from middle aged female customers. That's the highlight of my day. I'm also a complete loner and social reject and 24 yr old virgin with no real friends. Fuck this life senpai.

>>35729600
That image makes me want to go take a comfy shower.

>>35729179 (You)
>When and where is this still the case? This is an antiquated notion as much as any.

Did they get rid of the draft when I wasn't looking? Antiquated how? The Vietnam War ended in 1975. There's a chance that the reason I exist today is because my father flunked his draft physical.

There hasn't been a draft since then. But men who turn 18 in the US are required by law to register within 30 days with the Selective Service System to become potential meatshields.

>No one expects men to die for them.

Except like in the theater shooting in Aurora where boyfriends took bullets for their girlfriends?

Except when it comes to all the most dangerous jobs, which are held mostly by men?

Society gives men a sacrificial obligation that women are never expected of.

>You can date a feminist, not even a pink-haired landwhale feminist, just a normal one, and none of this will be an issue.

Feminists *say* they don't care if 1) she makes more money, 2) she's taller, 3) she pays most of the time of dates, 4) she initiated contact, or even 5) she proposed. But women despise weakness, and women loathe doormats. Women are not turned on by men she sees as below her.

>Men aren't "expected" to do anything other than their jobs, which women are also expected to do.

False. Read The Myth of Male Power: Why Men are the Disposable Sex by Warren Farrell. Men are expected to do all kinds of things for women, men have much more obligations to women than vice versa.

>Men have a much higher rate of disease and accidental death related to play activities, commit suicide more often, and are more likely to avoid going to the doctor for routine checkups and even necessary treatment.

Look at a chart of the most dangerous jobs. Again, men are expected to do these.

Women may be expected to "sacrifice" a career in order to stay at home in their pajamas while kids watch cartoons. But men are expected to sacrifice their life for women and children.

The rich get richer, same concept with women, they use their privileges to get more privileges etc. The average man has always been the one at the bottom, stomped into the ground by the boot of Chad and his roastie harem

>>35729481
>Women supported the USA during WWII when most men were fighting the war, even in a time when women didn't usually work.

Sure. And there efforts were certainly valuable. But do you know the ratio of men/women killed during WWII?

>There were female first responders at the WTC site on 9/11. Females die protecting their children and even their students.

Sure. And there efforts were certainly valuable. But again, do you know the ratio of men/women first responders who died years later due to all the toxic shit in the WTC rubble? Or say, the ratio of men/women police officers killed in the line of duty?

I'm going to guess that a female is more likely to kill her own children, then die protecting her children, or die protecting her students.

Now, it's no surprise that men are expected to protect women and children, since men are typically larger and stronger than women and children. I just take issue with the argument that men somehow have more "privilege" than women, when nothing is expected of women. You can't tell a woman she's "less of a woman" or "not a real woman" these days, or tell her to "woman up." That's not even a thing. Yet how many men are told they are "less of a man" or "not a real man" or "man up"? There is a fundamental biological assymmetry between men and women. But the idea that women in Western nations are "oppressed" in any way is absurd. Women can live like children all their lives.

Again, women are not expected to sacrifice their mortal life, they are a protected class, coddled by society, which is why there are so many more female senior citizens and centenarians than men.

>>35729679
I already addressed the draft concern. It is antiquated, even if it's still in place. You don't know what the word means, clearly.

>Except like in the theater shooting in Aurora where boyfriends took bullets for their girlfriends?
No one "expected" them to, no one in the front row turned around and said "Dude, what are you doing? Protect your girlfriend!" They did it because they chose to, out of love.
>Except when it comes to the most dangerous jobs
I also already talked about this, but you aren't reading very thoroughly. The reason that most dangerous jobs are held by a male-dominated workforce is because males who are in charge won't hire women because they don't trust them to do a good job. I don't doubt that these fields will always be male-dominated, but I think that has to do with how men perceive themselves as well, as dispensable, and men are more likely to prefer to do a dangerous job for good money than a woman is. That's preference, that has nothing to do with feminism or male oppression.

>Women are not turned on by men she sees as below her
It depends on what kinds of traits she sees as being "below her." Some women don't care about paying for dates, some do, some women don't care if you are very shy, some do. My boyfriend has severe social anxiety and doesn't leave the house unless he absolutely has to, he won't even answer the door for the pizza guy, and I don't mind it. I am strong where he is weak and vice versa. We help each other cope. I am not the sole woman on earth who is like this.

>men have much more obligations to women than vice versa
While I think that statement is bullshit, I can also argue that women have much more obligation to their children than men. Everyone has obligations. That's life, pal. Also, anyone can write a book about any opinion they have. Ayn Rand writes books. What does that say about anything?

>>35729776
>But do you know the ratio of men/women killed during WWII?
Women were still mostly treated as property during this time. I don't know the ratio of men/women killed during this time.
FYI, Men created the draft and men also barred women from the draft.

Men are more likely to take dangerous jobs like being a police officer or firefighter. You are going over the same few subjects again and again, without really elaborating, only trying to say "it's always been this way and it isn't fair," and I agree with you that it isn't fair, but women didn't create the system, men did. Women are fighting for the change they want in a male-created system. If men want change, men should fight for their rights as well. I will gladly support both causes.

>a female is more likely to kill her own children
A man is more likely to kill his own children than to die in the line of duty being either a police officer or a firefighter combined.
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2014/02/filicide
http://www.nfpa.org/news-and-research/fire-statistics-and-reports/fire-statistics/the-fire-service/fatalities-and-injuries/firefighter-deaths-by-cause-and-nature-of-injury
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/30/507536360/number-of-police-officers-killed-by-firearms-rose-in-2016-study-finds
I'm not sure what your point is. Some people are bad people.

>You can't tell a woman she's "less of a woman" or "not a real woman" these days
I hear this all the time - mainly from other women but also from men - because I don't want to have children.

>which is why there are so many more female senior citizens
We actually already went over this as well.
You could stand to take a debate class.

>>35729808
>the draft concern. It is antiquated

Is Roe v. Wade "antiquated"? The decision from 1973 which made it legal for a woman to kill a man's unborn child without even having to ask him? 1973 is also when men were last drafted.

If a man walks up to a pregnant woman, and punches her in the stomach so she loses the baby, will he be charged with homicide? Meanwhile, a pregnant woman can legally kill a man's baby, and people will march for her right to do so.

>No one "expected" them to

Women expect men to put down their lives for them. Women are fine using men as shields. Is Titanic a good love story?

>most dangerous jobs are held by a male-dominated workforce is because males who are in charge won't hire women because they don't trust them to do a good job

You think men prefer to work in coal mines? When it comes to physical jobs, women may produce less if they lack the strength to meet production demands.

Men are seen as disposable.

And could it be that people with higher IQs are more likely to succeed in Silicon Valley? Men typically have larger brains, more neurons, more synapses, and higher IQs on average than women. At the level of 130 IQ, there are 3 times as many men with that IQ than women. It's not "oppression" when an industry looks for a certain skillset, and pays people for it.

Or consider models or pornstars. Women excel when it comes to beauty, so they get paid much more than men.

>It depends on what kinds of traits she sees as being "below her."

Decades of culture cannot change millions of years of evolution. You may say that stuff doesn't bother you. But I will bet that you won't be married to that guy for 50 years. You'll fuck another guy you think is better.

>I can also argue that women have much more obligation to their children than men.

Yes, women are expected to raise kids, men are expected to feed them all. Like Ali Wong said, a woman is not "oppressed" by getting to stay home from work. Work sucks.

>>35729434
Women act like it's the worst punishment in the world when they get breast cancer - all doctors need to do is cut out the breast and they are pretty much guaranteed to be more or less "cured", worst case scenario she loses her breasts, is less attractive and can't breastfedd. That's it, the sum total of losing both of your breasts.

But testicular cancer is worse, it effects far more men than women (1/3 will get it before they die, assuming they live to old age), is much harder to get rid off and the possibility of losing your testicles is horrific - it means you can't reproduce, testosterone and muscle growth are severely inhibited, sex drive lowered. Basically, you stop being a man and lose your identity.

>>35729911
>Women were still mostly treated as property during this time.

"Property" that lives longer than men? Property that doesn't have to storm the beaches of Normandy and run into machine gun fire? That sounds horrible, having to stay home and watch TV that her husband paid for.

>FYI, Men created the draft and men also barred women from the draft.

Yeah, because men are expected to die for women, and are expected to fight the wars. Maybe you could argue "men are more warlike", but women reward that kind of behavior in men. Strong killers make women wet.

>Men are more likely to take dangerous jobs like being a police officer or firefighter.

Again, because men are the expendable sex. Men are expected to die for women.

>only trying to say "it's always been this way and it isn't fair," and I agree with you that it isn't fair, but women didn't create the system, men did.

I'm pointing out that women in the West have it much better than they think, it's women that have more privileges. And yes, men did create the system, like, democracy, and philosophy, and science, and civilization, and technology, and the computer chips that allow you to spread your opinions over thousands and thousands of miles.

>Women are fighting for the change they want in a male-created system.

Women can create their own systems. Women in the US could have even elected a female president, since women are the majority of voters. But no, they voted for a guy who acts like an alpha male. Biology takes over.

>A man is more likely to kill his own children than to die in the line of duty being either a police officer or a firefighter combined.

Feminism is pro-choice, and they're fine with killing children.

If a parent is sacrificing their life for a child, it's more likely the man.

>I hear this all the time - mainly from other women but also from men - because I don't want to have children.

And there will be 10 times as many people online saying "you go girl."

>>35729911
>because I don't want to have children

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>>35730109
The thing about men having a say in abortion is that it isn't the man's body. This is not a feminism issue either, it's a right to bodily autonomy. If you had to carry a baby around in your testicles for 10 months and shove it out your arsehole, you wouldn't fancy a woman telling you you HAVE to do it even if you didn't want to.

The draft was instituted in 1940, with the US on the brink of WWII. I think it is antiquated. I think it was a bad idea then and it's a bad idea now.

Titanic the movie was a fictional story loosely based on a real-life event. Jack and Rose weren't real people, you twat, and even if they were, Jack INSISTED on saving Rose. He WANTED to. I'm sorry that your pea-sized heart can't accommodate selflessness and sacrifice, but most of the time, no one EXPECTS a man to die instead of a woman.

>Women are fine using men as shields
Everyone would rather nobody died. If you and your friend were walking together, and a nigger comes up and says he's going to kill one of you, and your friend insists on taking the bullet for you - you will feel bad, but you will also be grateful. The same is true for women.

>[men have] higher IQs on average than women
That's true, but it could possibly be that IQ tests are written measured against a man's type of intellect - in fact, it is almost certainly true. Male brains do better with spatial reasoning, logic, mathematics and patterns - all of which are major components of a standard IQ test. Female brains do better than male brains with color, multi-tasking, language, and emotion.

>>35730326
Hi newddit

>>35730109
>>35730335
I didn't bring up anything about Silicon Valley. I also agreed that men are more likely to do more physical jobs than women solely based on physical attributes, and while yes, women are more likely to be models, they're also more likely to be nurses and teachers. However, fields like nursing and teaching are indispensable, completely necessary fields which are paid so very little compared to male-dominated fields of lesser overall importance, like banking. Why does the government subsidize failed banks but can't pay teachers? Is it because men are the bankers and men are the politicians, but men aren't the teachers?

>I will bet that you won't be married to that guy for 50 years
I bet not either, because neither of us believes in marriage. But I won't cheat on him, and I won't leave him. I'm sorry you've jaded yourself and ruined your sense of passion and wonder by always looking at the bad aspect of things.

Some women want to work and not raise kids and men (and some women even) make that very hard for them. They pay less in many jobs, they won't hire women for certain jobs.

You have a very pathetic view of yourself and your gender. You aren't disposable. The only people who treat you as such are yourselves.

>>35727831
All women are privileged over men and some men are more privileged than other men but no man is more privileged than a woman.

What I mean by that is when I was overseas in Japan and South Korea and even Jamaica the women there absolutely loved me even though here I am a borderline loser with them. It's because I'm a blonde hair, blue eyed white dude.

>>35730294
You keep saying that men are expected to this and that and the other, but you aren't giving any reasoning. Meanwhile, I've said my piece. I don't think there should be a draft and I think all fields of work and study should be more accessible to both genders.

Women don't want the privilege of having to sit at home with kids. Well, some do, and some men want the privilege of getting to fight for their country. It's clear that you want to live a life devoid of meaning and just sit on your ass all day, so why not do it? The government will pay you to do it if you say you are disabled. Apparently, becoming fused to your couch is your life's greatest wish. I fully support you in your endeavors.

You won't listen to reason or form any cohesive argument. All of your "supportive ""information""" has been just you saying the same thing over and over again, quoting an opinion you heard once, and most of them have been meme opinions you got on /r9k/. Talking to you has been horrible. Men like you are the reason nothing gets done in the government or anywhere else. You don't want to hear reason or arguments, you don't want to entertain new ideas or opinions, you only want to be told you are right.

Well, you aren't.

>>35729463
do you fucking realize that a man without a job who admits his diseases and never excels in any competitive activity literally NEVER gets laid? And that men who do not get laid will develop diseases and live in agony?

>>35729600
Someone finally fucking said it. Both men and women, all humans on earth, are pieces of shit. I can see where women have it easier, but I can also see where men have it easier. Everyone just wants to wine about something all the time.

>>35730393
We are expected to do shit like this because we will never have sex if we dont. Do you think we want to go to fucking war, work all day and be reckless as fuck? Yeah, the ones of us who do that are the ones u females find to be so goddamn sexy. Guess why those guys always ditch you after tho.

>>35730447
fembot here. i dont think thats sexy.

>>35730447
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I don't find it attractive when men are war-crazy. News flash, not all women like the same things. My boyfriend gets laid without working overtime or going to war or being reckless. Lots of men do.

You have a twisted view of the world and you won't let anyone help you change it, and that's very sad.

But I guess it explains a lot, that you and >>35730415 have opened my eyes: Most men literally only care about sex.

So why should women care about your rights if you don't care about your own rights or theirs, outside of pussy? You might try growing up and not being so insufferably full of yourself, stop QQing over the internet that no one will fund your NEET lifestyle, and maybe you can find a girl that way.

I'll admit this much: No woman wants to marry a fucking child.

>dude how are women not privileged?
>omg ur a man, so ur biased
>omg ur a woman, so ur biased
>OMG SOMEONE PLAYED THE MIDDLE GROUND AND SAID MEN AND WOMEN BOTH ARE SHIT!!
>OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUCH REVELATION!

no one can actually be accountable for anything in these threads, it's hilarious.

>>35730335
>it isn't the man's body
>it's a right to bodily autonomy

It's not the man's body, but is the man's child, as much as it's the woman's child. People may say it's more hers, since she carries it, she breastfeeds it, but it's half her DNA. A woman's body is her own, but the child is a body that is not her own, it's a new person, with half her DNA.

Nobody is forcing Western women to get pregnant. There are condoms, birth control pills, IUDs, etc. Even in the case of rape, there is the day after pill.

It's a decision (or at least a known risk) to have unprotected sex and potentially create a new life.

Abortion is murder. But it's an early murder. Sometimes murder can prevent future suffering. There are people, like David Benatar, who argue that since making new people always causes those people harm, that abortion should always be done. He may have a valid argument. But people should be honest about it, abortion is murder.

>Titanic the movie was a fictional story loosely based on a real-life event.
>but most of the time, no one EXPECTS a man to die instead of a woman.

Titanic the movie is fiction. But "women and children first" being evacuated off the Titanic is fact.

John Jacob Astor IV, the richest passenger on the Titanic, equivalent to over $2 billion in 2016, helped his wife and maid and nurse into a lifeboat and was told "men were not to be allowed to board until all the women and children had been loaded." He died.

>The same is true for women.

Yes, women are by nature cowards. Meanwhile, women sings songs with lyrics like "I wanna see you be brave."

>Male brains do better with...
>Female brains do better...

Fine. People should just be honest about it, the fundamental asymmetry between men and women. And talking about "equality" just glosses over it. Women are not equal to men because not even men are equal to other men. Evolution does not create everyone equal, it creates everyone different, with different pros and cons.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FEMBOT I REPEAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FEMBOT

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jc5-k-ejtA0 [Open]

Women who think the first world still needs fememism should be put in burkas. Thier attempt to pathologize any form of masculinity as "toxic masculinity" or "a mans world built for men" is pathetic and would never hold up in open dialog.

ITT: A pathetic roastie who thinks women whom are passionate about STEM are weak little snowflakes that get discouraged by the patriarchy. Fuck off with your roastie tumblr bullshit my stepmother is a programmer and you think you can speak for her? Fuck off

>>35730519
be man
>grow up, stop being full of yourself, get a job, maybe u can get laid then

be woman
>spread legs

>>35730546
Abortion isn't really murder. You can't murder something that isn't alive. A fetus before a certain point in time is essentially a parasite. It cannot live outside the womb. Abortions are not performed well before the fetus becomes viable, unless in cases where it presents danger to the mother's life.

The child may have half the man's DNA but it cannot survive without the woman's body. Child aside, as it is "half his" and "half hers;" the womb is all hers, and it is always the woman's choice.

Condoms break. Birth control is not 100% effective. Neither is the day after pill. Not everyone can afford any of those things, either. The day after pill is $45 at almost any pharmacy, or at least it was last I heard of it.

>"Women and children first"
>Men making the rules

Men sing songs with lyrics like "I put the 'real' in 'gorilla'" and
>Now if I fuck this model / And she just bleached her asshole / And I get bleach on my t-shirt / I'ma feel like an asshole

But not all men are like that, right? And not all women are like the instagram whores you obsess over on a daily basis.

No one is saying everyone has to be equal in ability. They are saying people should be equal in opportunity and, where one demographic consistently struggles, they should be given help because no one, not men, not women, not anyone on earth should have to struggle in a world not made for them because of the way they were born.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to make breakfast for me and bae.

>>35730605
This is pathetic.
Women want more out of the world than sex.
Most normal men do, too.

You are the outlier in this situation. You are just a primitive nigger. Fuck, eat, sleep. Where's your drive to do better? But you haven't got any because you are inferior.

Any man who basis his gender politics on how easy it is for a person to have sex deserves to have his inferior genes culled from the pool

>>35730519
Was just passing through but I need to ask, why are you on this board? Do you feel some sort of satisfaction being up there on your high horse looking at these guys with disdain?

>>35730629
>Any man who basis his gender politics
no man does this. you just made all that up.

nice mental gymnastics though. any time someone points out social differences between men and women, people start pulling the wool over their own eyes and creating random strawmen.

>>35730629
As represtented often times in any sexually dimorphic species the females have sexual selection privilege. Some species of birds have gone extinct because of female sexual selection gone mad causing tails too long to fly with. You claim to want "genes culled from the pool" but don't know any actual science! And that absolutely would effect ideas about gender especially ones in your bullshit ideological framework of "gender politics" fuck off you roastie cunt and learn some real science.

>>35730342
>I didn't bring up anything about Silicon Valley.

I know. It's just a topic women mention like when OP talks about "oppression", as if an industry that men built should be 50/50 men/women. Women could have made the first personal computers in their garage, but they didn't. Men did. Women could have started the United States if they wanted to, but they didn't. Men did. So it shouldn't be a surprise if organizations created by men tend to have more men filling those jobs.

>Why does the government subsidize failed banks but can't pay teachers?

Because the stock market is based on fear, and collapsing banks send them into a panic.

>But I won't cheat on him, and I won't leave him. I'm sorry you've jaded yourself and ruined your sense of passion and wonder by always looking at the bad aspect of things.

I look at the odds. Based on this description:

>My boyfriend has severe social anxiety and doesn't leave the house unless he absolutely has to, he won't even answer the door for the pizza guy

Odds are, you will cheat on him before he cheats on you. That's just the nature of female biology.

>Some women want to work and not raise kids and men (and some women even) make that very hard for them. They pay less in many jobs, they won't hire women for certain jobs.

Corporate America is cutthroat. I don't know why anyone would willingly want to enter it. Capitalism isn't about feelings, it's about trading work for money, and skimming something off the top.

>You have a very pathetic view of yourself and your gender. You aren't disposable. The only people who treat you as such are yourselves.

It's not pathetic to say men are seen as expendable and disposable. It's the truth. It's also based on biological reality. Men don't give birth, women do. That is why men are the disposable sex. If a society had only one man, the population could keep increasing. If a society had only one woman, that's a severe bottleneck when it comes to the population.

>>35727831
Where I am women got number men in higher education 2 too 1 but they still get affirmative action.

>>35729080
have you tried removing your head from your ass? That solves about 90% of these "problems"

>>35729911
Nice ad hominem without actually addressing any of the points brought up

>>35730393
>You keep saying that men are expected to this and that and the other, but you aren't giving any reasoning.

I've cited plenty of examples. Women and children first being saved on the Titanic. Men dying in world wars. Men being drafted. Men expected to protect their girlfriends from threats. Men expected to fill defensive roles like military, police, firefighters, etc.

Women also expect men to be stronger than they are. Which is perfectly natural. Women value strength in men. Are you going to dispute that too?

>Women don't want the privilege of having to sit at home with kids. Well, some do, and some men want the privilege of getting to fight for their country. It's clear that you want to live a life devoid of meaning and just sit on your ass all day, so why not do it? The government will pay you to do it if you say you are disabled. Apparently, becoming fused to your couch is your life's greatest wish.

That's a lot of conclusions you've jumped to.

Let's just say that men in this day and age have more of a sense of duty than women do.

What is a woman's duty?

>You won't listen to reason or form any cohesive argument.

That women in the West are "oppressed" and have less "privilege" than men? No, I won't, because that's a ridiculous argument that flies in the face of facts.

A woman in the West can happily behave like a child, having someone else take care of her, her entire life.

>Men like you are the reason nothing gets done in the government or anywhere else. You don't want to hear reason or arguments, you don't want to entertain new ideas or opinions, you only want to be told you are right.

I'm willing to entertain the notion that male privilege is greater than female privilege. But that theory breaks down, because the evidence suggests just the opposite.

I don't care if people tell me I'm right. I care about the brutal honest truth, whatever that may be.

>>35727831
I hat how much the law lets women off the hook, where if it were a man doing the same thing he would have the book thrown at him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1hsqped9Suw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ariyUBO8QVw

>>35730516
what do you find sexy?

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>>35729080
>come to /r9k/ for shits and giggles while typing up a paper
>see this shit
>realize there are women who genuinely identify as feminist and browse 4chan.

Seriously, where in the ACTUAL FUCK do you think you are right now?

Go fuck yourself you vapid cunt, there are people dying every second all of the world from excruciating painful causes.

You're sitting in a 1st world country browsing the internet complaining on a chinese underwater basket weaving board that the world isn't fair enough to you.

>>35730916
>>35730916
There is a path to success, but it was cut by white males, so the terrain is more suited for them. Does that make any sense?

>There's plenty for everybody in this country, if we'd only share more.
"And just what do you think that would do to incentive?"
>You mean fright about not getting enough to eat...You mean shame about not knowing where the Money River is?
"The what?"
>The Money River, where the wealth of the nation flows. We were born on the banks of it. We can slurp from that mighty river to our hearts' content. And we even take slurping lessons, so we can slurp more efficiently.
"Slurping lessons?"
>From lawyers! From tax consultants! We're born close enough to the river to drown ourselves and the next ten generations in wealth, simply using dippers and buckets. But we still hire the experts to teach us the use of aqueducts, dams, reservoirs, siphons, bucket brigades, and the Archimedes' screw. And our teachers in turn become rich, and their children become buyers of lessons in slurping.
"It's still possible for an American to make a fortune on his own."
>Sure-provided somebody tells him when he's young enough that there is a Money River, that there's nothing fair about it, that he had damn well better forget about hard work and the merit system and honesty and all that crap, and get to where the river is. 'Go where the rich and powerful are,' I'd tell him, 'and learn their ways. They can be flattered and they can be scared. Please them enormously or scare them enormously, and one moonless night they will put their fingers to their lips, warning you not to make a sound. And they will lead you through the dark to the widest, deepest river of wealth ever known to man. You'll be shown your place on the riverbank, and handed a bucket all your own. Slurp as much as you want, but try to keep the racket of your slurping down. A poor man might hear.'

>>35730393
God damn, you seem like you have a massive fucking chip on your shoulder. Get the fuck over yourself.

Hope someone knocks some god damn sense into you one day.

>>35730519
>I don't find it attractive when men are war-crazy.
>My boyfriend gets laid without working overtime or going to war or being reckless.
>No woman wants to marry a fucking child.

All those things go together.

Women like strength in men, women don't like weakness in men.

If some guy beats the shit out of your boyfriend, you'll probably end up fucking that guy. Because he made himself look strong, and he made your boyfriend look weak.

The reason no woman wants to marry a child, is because women don't like weakness in men.

>>35731017
You couldn't be more pretentious if you tried.

I completely understand why everyone in this thread who engaged in conversation with you seemingly regretted it almost immediately and stopped responding.

>>35729080
walking around bad neighborhoods at night with your tits and ass hanging out or getting drunk at parties =/= going to work on 9/11. You'd understand that if your childish female brain ever made it past puberty, but it didn't. Thankfully I'm feeling generous today and I'm explaining it to you.

>>35731051
I'm not the anon you were yapping with, but I could be way more pretentious; vonnegut is hardly pretentious material. I apologize if simple concepts elude you.

>>35729080
>tfw you legitimately have a first responder friend who died in the WTC on 9/11
>haunted by it for years, keep thinking one day Justin will just text/call me out of the blue
>some horrible human being on 4chan attempts to spit on his sacrifice by comparing it to asking for rape

I seriously hope you fucking die you scumbag piece of shit.

>>35731086
I wasn't part the conversation string at all, just thought you seemed like a pretentious cunt.

Maybe more people would be willing to listen to your "simple concepts" if you didn't present them with such a shitty attitude.

Nah, I'm sure the big bad world is just super mean to you especially, huh? Gotta make sure we all know how hard you have it, poor thang.

>>35730519
>Most men literally only care about sex.

From a woman. Because that's all you have to offer to any worthwhile man. True story, but don't kill yourself over it, wait till you hit the wall at least.

>>35731086
>i'm not that other guy, but i could be way more of a faggot than that other guy
wow! congrats

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>>35727831
thicc.originality

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>>35729080
You fucking ass fembot, don't you ever compare the 9/11 to fucking rape. You listen that? You're a shame to my gender, and I despise having a vagina thanks to you and your similars.

>>35730614
>Abortion isn't really murder.

It is. You're ending a life aka murder.

>You can't murder something that isn't alive.

A baby in the womb is alive. That's what conception makes. A new living being.

>A fetus before a certain point in time is essentially a parasite.

No. It's not foreign DNA. It's DNA is entirely human, usually 23 chromosomes from the mother, 23 chromsomes from the father.

>Child aside, as it is "half his" and "half hers;" the womb is all hers, and it is always the woman's choice.

It should be solely a woman's choice to kill a man's baby? Can you imagine if it was solely a man's choice to kill a woman's baby? How can you not see that's it's one person unilaterally deciding to kill another person's child?

A woman can decide "I don't want this" but a man can't?

>Condoms break. Birth control is not 100% effective. Neither is the day after pill. Not everyone can afford any of those things, either.

And abstinence is free.

>Men making the rules

No, that's women expecting men to sacrifice themselves for them, because again, men don't have uteruses, which you clearly think gives women more rights than men.

>No one is saying everyone has to be equal in ability. They are saying people should be equal in opportunity and, where one demographic consistently struggles, they should be given help because no one, not men, not women, not anyone on earth should have to struggle in a world not made for them because of the way they were born.

I can accept that everyone should be treated with equal dignity. But equal ability does not exist. And equal opportunity does not exist. That's just the nature of the randomness, and arbitrariness, and luck, and chance of life on Earth.

And the only 100% guaranteed way to prevent struggle, or suffering, is to not make new people in the first place. Someone could do that with abortion, which is murder. But that murder could certainly prevent future suffering. Or someone could abstain from sex.

>>35730629
>Any man who basis his gender politics on how easy it is for a person to have sex deserves to have his inferior genes culled from the pool

He's talking about how men have to actually achieve things in life to become successful. A woman only has to open her legs for a successful man.

A woman doesn't have to earn a million dollars. She just has to open her legs for a man, get him to marry her, and then divorce him, and leave with a million dollars.

>>35727831
Women should be guarded from harsh truth. They decide to face it and then complain because it hurts their feelings.

>>35731103
That post was my first post in the string.
>There is a path to success, but it was cut by white males, so the terrain is more suited for them. Does that make any sense?
How is that simple concept presented with a shitty attitude?

>>35731113
I was referring to whomever you were yapping with prior to my vonnegut allegory. I take full credit for that faggotry.

>>35729637
you need to camwhore and grab some orbiters.

>>35731017
>There is a path to success, but it was cut by white males, so the terrain is more suited for them.

And women have always had an available alternate path to success -- open their legs for a successful man.

>>35731172
>abortion is murder
That would depend on when you think life starts.
>A woman can decide "I don't want this" but a man can't?
Yes, because it's her body. It would impact her more. Just like if a girl got pregnant and the guy wanted her to have an abortion, the decision ultimately lies with the person that will be growing/birthing that human.
>And abstinence is free.
Abstinence isn't a method of birth control.
>which you clearly think gives women more rights than men
It gives them the right to decide what to do with their uterus. Because they are the owners of those uteruses.

>>35731307
>alternative path to success
>fuck a sherpa
Seems legit.

>>35731344
>That would depend on when you think life starts.
oh right, i forgot the baby is not alive until mother moon embraces the baby with her guiding moonlight under a pipal tree

>>35730648
"Gender politics" meaning your political ideas on how genders should behave and be treated, eg, women should have right to abortion, or men should have a say, women should have equal rights, women shouldn't have equal rights, and who is oppressed or 'privileged.' I don't know what else to call that.

>>35730637
I've always been on this board, since the beginning of time. I changed with it, or it changed with me, anyway, I am not very functional in society and I like to debate.

>>35731011
I literally said, in the exact post you quoted, that I don't identify as a feminist.
>le other people have worse problems so you can't complain meme
I'm not even complaining, OP was just literally asking why women think they're oppressed, and I highlighted as best I could some problems that women still face.

>>35731036
Women don't want to marry a child because they want an adult partner. I wouldn't fuck some asshole who hurt my boyfriend. I love my boyfriend and I want to keep him safe. There will always be people better at this or that, my boyfriend might not be the strongest guy out there, but he's very smart and very talented at what he does. So why would I trade down?

>>35730672
>>35730916
>>35730970
>>35731028
>>35731055
>>35731112
The edgy woman-hate adhom brigade woke up, everybody scatter.

>>35731201
If that's what she considers success, sure. But most women don't really consider that success.

>>35731122
>>35731087
Calm down, my assblasted friends. I'm not sure what version of text you're reading, but I merely illustrated that blaming a victim of a crime perpetrated by someone else is false logic and hurtful to the victim. I didn't say rape was comparable to 9/11, my small illiterate friend, it was a comparison meant to get you riled up. I'm glad it worked, and I'm sorry about your FR friend who died, but you really gotta get over it at some point, because no matter how vile and hateful you are to other people on the internet, you aren't gonna bring him back.

>>35731376
When do you regard life starting?

>>35731172
Yup, equal will never exist, is for that we have to be successful for our own person, and not by our gender. Having integrity to not be fucking before time, and actually doing things that will leave us something good (instead of searching for love and sex, which are useless for anyone younger than 29 and older than 35).
As someone who has to rip her ass off in her studies to maintain an 80% scholarship on an university, that manages a good amount of languages and that actually thinks in big and in the future, it's a complete insult to see this kind of females like >>35730614 that only talk bullshit and "tee-hee, making breakbast for my boo because that makes me a very exceptional female" without thinking that not everyone has it easy like her and that making some shitty scrambled eggs is damn easy.
I don't care if other women hate me, I know that if I'm studying, learning and even reading, it's because not only women, but some men saw on us that we were more than cumbuckets, that we could actually be useful and understand them in some ways.
I know, I don't have it all in my hand, and men struggle with so much pain, so many stereotypes, and that they get too overwhelmed by them. In the other hand, women now play the victims, when in other ages, women were enough cold and rough to actually stand all the real discrimination, and still manage to stand and go on, with what they could grab in their hands and their minds.
Men, your struggle is worse than ever, but the times are perfect to say what you feel, what you fear, and what you want women to change. You were made to be stronger in body, but not to be rocks in feelings. History made men so rough with themselves, and it's not fair. So please, speak.

>>35729080
>comparing rape to 9/11
You're attempting to sound reasonable when in reality you sound like a fucking retard.

>>35731398
We are undeniably talking about human life when the embryo turns into a fetus. That would be the 8th week of pregnancy. After that you are ending a human life.

>>35731344
>That would depend on when you think life starts.

When a sperm fertilizes an egg, creating a new human being with typically 46 chromsomes. Your whole life until now derives from that one moment in time. And the DNA in each of your cells is the same (although with age comes mutations, damage, etc).

>Yes, because it's her body. It would impact her more. Just like if a girl got pregnant and the guy wanted her to have an abortion, the decision ultimately lies with the person that will be growing/birthing that human.

It's her body that the baby is growing in, but the baby's body is its own. If a woman gets an abortion, the doctor isn't destroying her body, the doctor is destroying the baby's body.

Yes, sex does impact women more. That's why they should be more discerning who they have sex with. Women used to do that.

But if a woman gets pregnant, and she can decide, by herself, that she doesn't want the baby, don't you see that's a privilege? She can unilaterally choose to kill a man's unborn child because she doesn't want it, even if he does. And if he doesn't want it, she can force him to be a father, and pay child support for it. And he doesn't even have the option of a "financial abortion" where he can legally cut all financial responsibility for the child.

>Abstinence isn't a method of birth control.

Abstinence is the only 100% effective method of birth control.

You may be thinking of abstinence education. Which again, only works if you actually practice abstinence.

You could even argue that female masturbation is a method of birth control.

>It gives them the right to decide what to do with their uterus. Because they are the owners of those uteruses.

Doctors performing abortions usually don't remove uteruses AFAIK. A woman may "own" her own uterus, but half of the DNA in that baby's skull that's being sucked out is a father's.

>>35731382
>but you really gotta get over it
Ok, get over getting raped

>>35731382
Don't answer me, vagina. You are not human for me, and your value relies in your 8 cm. tube you have between your legs.

>>35731437
So you judge according to embryology and not neurology?

>>35730993
>>35731172
The choice isn't about killing or not killing a baby. The choice for the mother lies in whether or not she wants to rent out her uterus 4 free for ten months, and suffer the physical damage thereafter.
Let's create a fair voting system: men and women each get one vote based on the child, because it is each half of their DNA, and women get one additional vote because it's her uterus.
Looks like women win.

>abstinence is free
That's not a viable form of sexual education for most people. In countries that don't preach abstinence as sex ed, they have lower rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and abortion because they actually teach - wuh oh - sex EDUCATION instead of religious garbage.
People are gonna fuck. That's the end of that.

I still don't know why you're still so upset about the Titanic.

I'll say it again: NO ONE expects men to do any of those occupations. Men choose to do them because there's a need for them and the money is good and for whatever other reason people take jobs.

>What is a woman's duty?
Women want to go to work and have equal pay and equal treatment.
You just seem to envy the housewife lifestyle, with as often as you say women are privileged because they can "sit on the couch with the kids," so I only figured that's the life you are after.

Anyway, your argument style hasn't changed in the time I went and made breakfast. You still haven't given me any facts that prove
>Women have more privilege
>Women can be children and do whatever they want all the time
>Men are expected to XYZ
>Men are oppressed (if they were, they would be oppressing themselves, mind you)
So you can keep typing, but I'm not going to keep responding.

>>35731484
I don't follow, what are you trying to say, Anon?

Modern occidental feminism looks at the issue under the wrong light. Sexism is very much alive and women live it everyday, but so do men and increasingly so as far as men are concerned.

Secism shouldn't be gender specific, but it is. Far left politics are taking a stronger hold on society to the point where it's almost faschism. In my country, a comedian was prosecuted because he made a tasteless joke about a "public figure" (t. worthless fuck who had just enough of his 3 minutes of fame to make it into a joke) who had some form of diformity. he was forced to pay 15k to the state and 7k to the family of the "victim". I'm more worried about the power of the far left when they can influence society to literally silence anyone with "problematic" opinions than just the "grrrrr the dang old sjw want to take away my weeb stuff!" We live in a time where you can be fined for a joke.

That being said, sexism will exist as long as we don't look at it in its full spectrum instead of obsessing over victimizing women so they keep their right to bitch and complain at men who are even more under pressure.

>>35729600
The UItimate Strawman

>>35731382
>Women don't want to marry a child because they want an adult partner.

Because adults are stronger than children. A child can't protect her or provide for her. It's natural for women to value strength. So if you ever meet a guy who has less social anxiety than your boyfriend, you may find yourself attracted to him. It's natural for women to want to trade up.

>I wouldn't fuck some asshole who hurt my boyfriend. I love my boyfriend and I want to keep him safe. There will always be people better at this or that, my boyfriend might not be the strongest guy out there, but he's very smart and very talented at what he does. So why would I trade down?

If your boyfriend lost in a fight, it may seriously affect the way you view him. You couldn't help but see him as weak, and you may seriously doubt his ability to keep you safe.

Throughout human history, think of how many grandmothers you've had. When raiders came into her village, and they killed her mate, have you thought that maybe she ended up fucking them, and that's how she survived?

And in the wild kingdom, males will often battle each other over a female (even until death), and the dominant male will fuck the female. She wants to fuck the winner, not the loser. Like you said, "why would I trade down?"

Recently there was a story about a serial killer named Todd Koehlhepp, who kept a woman in a shipping container or something, her name was Kala Brown. She spoke to Dr. Phil, and do you know how she survived? She said he raped her twice a day, but she knew he wouldn't kill her, "because he wanted me."

Your poor boyfriend will never see it coming when your female brain decides it wants to trade up.

>>35730235
Cancer biologist here. You're right to some extent, but metastasis--relocation of the tumor to a new site to colonize--is the real threat to health with breast cancer. Of course we know that you can simply perform a mastectomy and the primary tumor is gone, but who is to say that some malignant cells haven't already extravasated into the bloodstream to lie dormant for X years before metastasizing to some other organ like bone or liver.

>>35731759
I heard angiogenesis is the main cause/propagator of metastasis. Is this true?

>>35731759
Sure, but that applies to all cancers just the same. Breast cancer is probably the easiest to manage.

>>35731382
>"So why would I trade down?"
>"The edgy woman-hate adhorn brigade woke up"
>Proceeds to trivialize the death of some anon's friend, call him "assblasted", "vile and hateful" and to "get over it".

You really are a disgusting excuse for a human being. I hope someone physically beats you to death in a public setting.

>>35727831
Male 'privilege' is getting blame for everything, regardless whether it's your fault or not. You automatically have to take responsibility for everything.

Female privilege is getting all the power and authority they want, but being able to immediately shun any and all blame/responsibility by saying men are the problem.

>>35731431
>can't read in 2017
please see >>35731382

>>35731430
You are very self-important.
You don't know whether I study, or what I study. You want to pretend I'm being all
>"tee-hee, making breakfast [etc] because that makes me a very exceptional female"
when in reality, you are being all
>"tee-hee, I go to college and I'm a memey anti-feminist who assuages the egos of men on the internet because that makes me a very exceptional female"
which isn't very true. I don't think you are exceptional. You certainly can't read as well as you talk up, or you'd notice that I pointed out I support men's rights as well, and that I think gender inequalities hurt men as well as women.

>>35731443
>She can unilaterally choose to kill a man's unborn child because she doesn't want it, even if he does. And if he doesn't want it, she can force him to be a father, and pay child support for it.
"Abstinence is free"
Why can't men take that advice?

>>35731457
Getting edgier every second, I wonder what other words you can string together to sound tough.

>>35731445
I've not been raped, but people do all the time.

Death is normal. Death is inevitable. It's not fair that your friend died doing something noble, but death happens to everyone, and at every minute.

Rape isn't normal or inevitable. Though, if I knew someone who had been raped who was still having violent outbursts on the internet sixteen years later, I'd tell them to get over it, too. There's a time for grieving.

>>35731443
>When a sperm fertilizes an egg, creating a new human being with typically 46 chromsomes.
It's not a viable human at that point.
>It's her body that the baby is growing in, but the baby's body is its own.
You're confusing 'baby' with 'zygote' and 'fetus'. They're three completely disparate things.
>Abstinence is the only 100% effective method of birth control.
If you're saying opting out of participating is the same as participating but with protection, then I don't disagree. But not acting isn't the same as acting with precaution.
>but half of the DNA in that baby's skull that's being sucked out is a father's
Not a baby, hardly a father. In abortions prior to six weeks, there is no identifiable human. Just lumps of cells. No skull, no viability, just a DNA smoothie.

>>35731782
No it doesn't. Some cancers are more likely to metastasize than others.

>>35731778
Angiogenesis is one of the general hallmarks of cancer and is necessary for adequate nutrient flux to the growing tumor. It's overall a very important survival mechanism for the tumor to propagate.

>>35729080

>She's usually the only female in any of her classes.

Worked in an almost all female job. If you're frightened just by having the opposite gender around you then "man up" and fuck off.

>People treat her poorly for wanting to do "mans work"

Give examples. Then prove its not just bantz (which men absolutely expect in a workplace and either deal with or actually enjoy)

>A man will treat a woman like shit if she says she doesn't want kids

BULLSHIT. I couldn't give a fuck what you do. The reason this statement causes raised eyebrows is because it is almost always a fucking lie "Oh I don't want kids. I'll work hard for the company" and two years later "tee hee. I'm going to have two kids and be off work for two years and you WILL pay for it". Any small business owner finds that kind of shit to be a collosal loss.

>Problem of rape!

Feminist detected - fuck off again. THE VAST MAJORITY OF CRIMES ARE NEVER DETECTED OR PUNNISHED EXCEPT MURDER. But, because you're a delicate little fembot, the crime that effects YOU must, of course, have priority.

In short, all your complaints are fucking garbage. My experience of women in the workplace is that they have been able to duck out of work by bursting into tears having "woman's trouble" and plain refusing to do literal dirty work like hauling nitrogen cannisters in the celler of a bar.

Sad cunts are just not BUILT for or PSYCHOLOGICALLY PREDISPOSED TO or socialized INTO working HARD.

Of course, I speak in generalities, some women do work hard and it is almost ALL older women in my experience, from poor backgrounds, who have no time for feminism. funny that isn't it???

>>35731719
The embryology theory states that life begins when a viable, identifiable human is formed. Neurology theory says life begins once the brain is functioning, once there's a recognizable eeg.

>>35731804
>college
You don't know how to read? Might as well go to elementary again to see the difference between college and university, self-inflated brat.

>>35731726
>In my country, a comedian was prosecuted because he made a tasteless joke about a "public figure"
What country was this? That's really outrageous, I mean, that he had to pay money for it.

I agree that sexism should be addressed from both sides, but this thread was specifically about sexism directed at women. So that's what I talked about. Phooey on me, eh?

>>35731758
>Because adults are stronger than children.
Do I really have to explain to you why adults don't want to have romantic relationships with children? You are that thick, huh.

I don't need my boyfriend to keep me safe.
No one is raiding my tiny fishing village. But if someone did that to my grandma, and they had a kid together, I'm almost certain she was raped, not voluntarily having sex with someone who destroyed her family and livelihood.

You really drank the /r9k/ koolaid.

>>35731783
Same to you, good chap!
I didn't realize I was on the safe-space forums, I must have been misdirected somewhere along the line. Sorry I've triggered you and your friends.

>>35731782
Some cell types are more metastatic than others or more prone to this behavior, such as those in mammary tissue.

The argument that breast cancer is more easily managed may also be attributed to simply the most funding being targeted to it. Liver cancer should really be a focus in the coming years as there's no viable treatment and it's rates are increasing.

Don't be fat.

>>35731804
>There's a time for grieving.

Yea, that time is typically right after some vapid cunt trivializes the death of your best friend, because she is an edgy bitch on 4chan.

>>35731842
It shouldn't have to look human to be considered alive

>>35731812
>not a human
Because you say so?

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>>35727831
>>35731872

Alright /r9k/, post yfw this bitch has been at this for multiple HOURS now.


What a sad fuckin' life.

>>35731898
>it shouldn't have to be a formed human to be considered a viable human
That's definitely an opinion. Would you mind if I asked your religious leaning?

>>35731847
I didn't realize you were from Yurop or wherever, but for me, "college" and "university" are interchangeable terms.
But you knew that, and are still trying to cling to your lil high horse by being condescending. If you start crying with rage, can you send me a picture?

>>35731904
>not a viable human
>viable
>capable of surviving or living successfully
A unformed lump of cells isn't a viable human.

>>35731890
lmao I didn't trivialize anything, I made an example to prove why victim blaming is wrong. I didn't say, "Your friend is dumb for dying and he deserved it and no one cares anyway." Because if I had, that would have been trivializing it, but I didn't say that, I actually said I was sorry that he did die and that he was doing something noble. You can keep saying mean words, but it's really not going to bother me as much as me replying seems to bother you.

>>35731927
Eh, I don't sleep much. It gives me something to do. Everyone else is still asleep.

>>35731982
It's all just mental gymnastics. It genes say that it is human

>capable of surviving or living succesfully

So people without legs or hands are not human? Deaf? What about inborn abnormalities? If not help of society these people would be dead

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>>35731872

Basically, you are a feminist, and people here are sick of your shit.

I'm actually a semi-chad by comparison to most people here as I have a gf whom I love and go outside and shit but even I, normie-norman as I am am sick of your fucking presence. You appear to be from iceland or something, a country that has actually BANNED fucking porn because god-forbid men should get to tweak their dicks without having to pay a vagina tax.

You simply cannot accpet that life

>Kills men earlier
>Jails ten times the number of them
>Shunts them into the shittiest fucking jobs
>Expects them to die willingly.

Because you have some weird doublethink that goes "Huckden gluckden! dis is vy ve need der feeminism becus then dar vcas not so much an difference". What in the fuck prevents women from being jailed more and from doing the worst jobs WHEN YOU ARE A MAJORITY OF THE VOTING PUBLIC

Oh yeah, that's right, YOU DONT FUCKING REALLY WANT THE BAD SHIT you just want to be promoted ahead of people in soft industries men also dominate (like computer related shit) JUST FOR BEING A MANIC PIXIE DREAM GIRL

Srsly so glad I don't fuck with 90% of women now stop posting from your frozen little shithole of a country that has only avoided being fucking assraped because its a bumfuck nowhere.

Srsly hate your guts.

inb4: "lol i tyriggered himngluck!"

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>>35731938
This doesn't look human does that mean I can legally kill it?

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>>35731927
You weren't kidding, looks like 3-4 hours, Jesus Christ.

>>35731939
No, I don't cry for first-world women like you. We are not similar in any means, because I actually had to put some effort and money into being what I am instead of being mouth-feeded like you. And pictures? For you? Just because you answer me? And asking for it? That's shameful. Hush, you talking hole, you are worthless for me.

>>35731486
>The choice isn't about killing or not killing a baby

That's what abortion is. Kill the baby or keep the baby.

>The choice for the mother lies in whether or not she wants to rent out her uterus 4 free for ten months

And that choice was when she chose to have sex.

>women get one additional vote because it's her uterus

Abortion doesn't end a uterus, abortion ends the life of a baby (which is half the mother's, and half the fathers's).

>That's not a viable form of sexual education for most people. In countries that don't preach abstinence as sex ed, they have lower rates of teen pregnancy, unwanted pregnancy, and abortion because they actually teach - wuh oh - sex EDUCATION instead of religious garbage.

Abstinence isn't religious garbage. There are no babies without sex. You could say abstinence education is ineffective (when people don't practice it). But that's like saying that sobriety is ineffective (when people don't practice it).

>I still don't know why you're still so upset about the Titanic.

It's evidence of my claim that society views men as expendable, "women and children first."

>NO ONE expects men to do any of those occupations. Men choose to do them because there's a need for them

Oh so there's a need for them and women don't want to do them?

>You just seem to envy the housewife lifestyle

Go watch Ali Wong: Baby Cobra. She envies the housewife lifestyle. She realizes that going to work is for suckers, and staying home is better. That's why feminism is wrong.

>Women have more privilege

Like the privilege to kill a man's baby without asking him?

>Women can be children and do whatever they want all the time

Yes, women can have men provide entirely for them.

>Men are expected to XYZ

I already gave plenty of examples of that.

>Men are oppressed

I never said that. Although men are outnumbered by women. And being subject to the draft is certainly close.

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>>35732061
No shit, I had been awake for little more than 4 hours and that's all her time here.

>>35732028
>it's genes say it's human
Well of course. And a dead persons genes would indicate they're human as well, but not a living human. The arguement isn't whether or not a zygote or fetus has genetics indicative of being human, but whether or not that "human" is "alive".
You're conflating your arguement with amputees and abnormalities, but its more akin to being brain dead on life support. A vegetable isn't a viable human.

>>35732028
People don't die from not having legs, you mongoloid.

People who are on life-support literally could not live one minute without the machine supporting them. Their loved ones are asked to make the choice about pulling the plug. Is this murder? They are still human. More human than a clump of cells. Yet, they aren't viable, they can't breathe and have no brain function, the same as a fetus before X weeks of pregnancy.

What about this scenario: A mother gives birth to conjoined twins. One of the twins has all of its parts and functions, the other does not have its own heart and only has part of a brain, and is really only a mass of limbs sharing a body with the first twin. It's technically alive, and its DNA is very human, but it cannot survive on its own. If the mother chooses to have the nonviable twin removed from the viable one, thus making life easier for the viable one but "killing" the nonviable one, is that murder? Is that unforgivable?

If you'd remove the no-brain twin to make the normal twin's life easier, but wouldn't abort a child in the first trimester of pregnancy, then you don't have a well-formed opinion: You only spout back what people have said to you.

>>35732044
But it does look like a human. If it looked like red velvet tapioca, then sure. Flush it.

>>35732061
>>35732102
yeah this convo keeps shitting up my board, I try to refresh for interesting posts and there's this bitch with multi paragraph posts every 10 minutes. give it a rest ffs ppl, i don't even know what they're fighting about since i haven't really read their posts, abortion or something like that?

>>35729080
LOL here is a legitimate post answering the op and all men do is yell and curse like immature brats.

>>35729080

I kinda of get where you were going until you mentioned rape. How often do you think full blown rape happens? As in not that creepy beta-fuck putting a hand on your leg and you thought it was totally gross XDXDD. I'm not complaining that every time I go to a crowded bar some low IQ gorilla pack decides to beat me up because I looked at the silverbacks girlfriend the wrong way.

Complaining women have a hard time getting in STEM is the same as saying males have a hard time getting into pre-school teaching or nursing. At least women won't get called a pedophile and preemptively fired for doing their job in STEM. I'd argue that women don't get called a pedophile at all unless they've actually fucked children with a mountain of proof to back it up, and even then a lot of people would just go NICE!.

Women that don't want children are supspicious to me, I've heard that line three times now in that company they worked for and the moment they got a change the baby machine went on an we were down a worker that still got paid. After 2 or 3 years of cashing in pregnancy leaves with papa government protecting them from being fired they quit because they don't have the energy to work anymore with the children and all teehee.

>>35732155
LOL you tell em gurl!

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>>35732155

Fuck off, cunt. It was baseless whining.

>>35732118

Have an image I made concerning your little ice-blasted shithole.

>>35731804
>"Abstinence is free"
>Why can't men take that advice?

Do you know what board you're on? You could argue that most robots are involuntarily celibate. But they certainly know more about abstinence than the typical woman in 2017.

As for men who accidentally impregnate women, I could accept an argument that he should be responsible for providing for it.

It's just ridiculous that she can kill his baby without even asking him, or give away his baby without even asking him, and he's at her mercy. That's what privilege looks like, bringing it back to OP.

>>35732076
Here she goes with the mean words again
Color me "impressed"
Don't actually touch me though, you'll cut my delicate white skin with all those edges.

>>35732034
>the ad hom
I can say it all day, it just rolls off the tongue.
I don't live in Iceland, but I like their culture from an outsider's perspective. It's sad to think that they banned porn but I bet it does wonders for their productivity. It's a culture all about family and nature. I don't personally care that men rub one out.

>life jails ten times as many men as women
LMAO Men commit crimes more often than men, and that's fact.
Men make up 92% of gang members.
https://people.missouristate.edu/michaelcarlie/what_i_learned_about/gangs/gender_composition.htm
Men represent 90.5% of all homicide convictions, 89% of robbery arrests, 83% of arson arrests, and 77.8% of aggravated assault arrests.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#Statistics
(The last three statistics were in the year 2011; all statistics are from America.)
Life doesn't jail men more. Men get themselves rightfully jailed more.
No one is forcing any man to work at a sewage plant, or scooping cow dung. If you don't want to work it, then don't work it.
No one expects men to die. You're just saying the same old shit the other anon was saying, and yet have no proof.

Women don't do the worst jobs and don't go to jail because they don't want to do either of those things and they know how to avoid it: don't commit fucking crime, and don't get hired doing the fucking job.

>>35732202
Nope, it's very clear who has rational arguments and who is just being an assblasted meme-spouting faggot (protip: it's you).

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>>35732228

You've just activated my trap card

>OMG men SHOULD be in jail...

I agree :D

And women can't get the jobs they want, and employers wont take them BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING SHIT AT DOING ACTUAL WORK AND YOU ARE USUALLY A DEAD LOSS IN TERMS OF PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY.

GET

FUCKING

REKT.

>>35732148
Yes, abortion, having the reason because they are XX and most here are XY, how their first world countries oppress them... You know, daily stuff, while other women just do what they are meant to do: be better and go on like pic related (Maryam Raji: youngest graduating medical student at the College of Medicine, University of Lagos).
But no, we have to listen to some useless cunts that will depend on men until they die.

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Whoops, forgot the pic lol

>>35732228

not really paying attention to the rest of the argument here, but it's an observed phenomenon that women receive more lenient sentences & departures from jail time.

your statistics don't really disprove that, as it's at the trial that one is convicted and would appear on your stats.

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>>35727831
Because people need something to virtue signal about. Feminism has accomplished it's underlying goal of destroying an average nuclear family. The talking holes need to be put back in their place desu.

>>35732155
I know, and it just keeps going. This is the most (You)s I've gotten all week. I guess the moral is don't ask a question you don't want to hear the answer to.

>>35732162
>preemptively fired
Wot?
Anyway, according to statistics - from several sources, not just the controversial CDC report - Almost one in five women is raped at some point in her lifetime. 43% of straight women report sexual assault that was not rape.

Annually, rape costs the US more than any other crime at a staggering $127 billion. I'm guessing this goes towards rape kits, other medical treatment, psychological treatment, and the costs of finding and convicting the perpetrators, but I don't really know what all goes into it.

I used to go to a drag queen bar when I was newly 21 in my hometown. There were always cops there. I asked them once if they were always there to see the show or what, and one of them told me that almost all of the city's reported rapes came from straight women being drugged and taken home from that bar. Needless to say I stopped going, but he says it happens at a rate of once every other week or more, consistently.

>a lot of people would just go NICE!
Literally whom? That has never happened.
I do think it's a shame that men are discriminated against for childcare professions. It is a sign of the times. Some people ruin it for everyone. I wish there was a way to fix it, but I think it's more important to ensure kids are safe than to force some elementary school to hire a male preschool teacher. I think the market dictates this more than anything. If a bunch of parents find out there's a male running a daycare, many of them might pull their kids out/not enroll their kids there for fear of the worst.

Women are allowed to change their minds and have children, mind you. It's a shame that they have to con an employer into paying them maternity leave because of the way America treats maternity concerns. It is hard for the employers, but it's hard for the women, too.

>>35731812
>It's not a viable human at that point.

But it is human. A baby does need a womb as a life support system. But that doesn't mean it's moral to kill living beings that need life support systems. Like a scuba suit. Or space suit. Or ventilator. Etc.

The baby may not have a consciousness at that point. But that doesn't mean it's moral to kill living beings that are unconscious. Like someone in a coma. Or someone who just got knocked out.

>You're confusing 'baby' with 'zygote' and 'fetus'. They're three completely disparate things.

And all of those words are used by pro-choice people to gloss over the fact that a human being is being killed. It doesn't matter the words, you're destroying a human life. A baby doesn't begin being human after it leaves the birth canal.

That's why it's called "pro-choice." Because "pro-murder" sounds bad. It's marketing speak. It's political correctness, where you twist some uncomfortable truth and give it a cute name like in advertising.

And if it's OK to end a human life in the womb, why not outside the womb? Why stop there? If it's OK for women to kill unwanted babies before birth, why not after birth? Isn't this about getting rid of unwanted kids? I've never understood how abortion is morally acceptable but infanticide is not.

>But not acting isn't the same as acting with precaution.

There's no such thing as "safe sex." The only 100% guaranteed way to not have kids is to not have sex.

>Not a baby, hardly a father. In abortions prior to six weeks, there is no identifiable human. Just lumps of cells. No skull, no viability, just a DNA smoothie.

Hardly a father? 23 of its 46 chromosomes of from that father.

And the human body itself is just a collection of cells. You, are just a collection of cells.

And smaller than that, the body is about 3 billion billion billion atoms. Is murder justified because the human body is just billions of atoms? That needs the life support system of Earth to live?

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>>35727831

ITT so far:

Two ass-mad feminists shovel every pile of dejected, trawled up, taudry, stupid, already-busted up feminist myths into their posts and stand high on the hypergamy

>Of course women have a harder time in society! I felt weird in my job because men don't treat me exactly how I want!

Was a particularly gynocentric complaint. Folks, you've just got to see the part where she literally compares it to being a first responder on 9/11! Of course, when these shrill harpies realize they are losing the "I have it hard" argument due to being hit round the fucking head with logic they do what girls do and SHIFT THE GOALPOSTS.

>Huh! We wouldn't have these problems if it wasn't for maniarchy! If we just had feminism men wouldnt be in jail so much and have such shitty lives! If only we could live in fem-world!

Of course, these two bleeding-axe-wounds have yet to explain why women have never achieved fucking anything of note in history (although I strongly suspect that when they read this they're going to wheel out all 5.5 female inventors in the entire span of recorded time) and why, indeed, women continue to use their overwhelming voting power to perpetuate a system that is, apparently, ONLY FIXABLE by their voting power.

Folks, I don't know how long these two hypergamous pieces of shit will keep it up but these gals are showing REMARKABLE stamina for the lesser of the two genders!

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>>35732334
feminism has done its job more or less and is giving increasingly diminishing returns
The areas people still complain about are incredibly complex and no one group is going to change their structure
for the ordinary man however, accepting the feminist narrative is a sentence to slavery

>>35732282
This is a chart about... income tax?
Which only really says that women are paid less, combined with the fact that single mothers get tax breaks for her children that men don't get because there are very very comparatively few single dads.

What you've said about women in the workforce is not actually true, though. I'd like to see you come up with some evidence before you go asserting things all willy-nilly.

>>35732304
I'd have to look at the facts on that. I don't doubt that it happens, but more than gender disparities are disparities in sentencing based on income.
My hypothesis is that a rich person who commits the same crime as a poor person will receive less jail time if any at all. I actually cannot find any reputable study on the subject, but there are many on racial disparities, which could be drawn along the same lines based on racial disparities in income.

I wish things were equal for both genders, I've said it so many times and people just ignore it because they want to fight.

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>>35732429
Why should things be equal for genders when men are better than women?

>>35732429

>Which only really says that women get paid less

Why do men end up in jail more? Because they commit more crime? Why do women get paid less....because they...do....less...work???


You are so fucking hypergamous its beyond belief. ANYTHING BAD THAT HAPPENS TO A MAN its because he deserbed it. ANYTHING A WOMAN DOESNT GET is because she's being arbitrarily denied it.

Go fuck yourself.

I'm so fucking glad my gf can understand why your arguments are shit. She didn't like thinking about it, but she did and she eventually conceeded.

The poor fucking men in your country, having to deal with whining hypergamous shit like you.

Your poor fucking little spastic boyfriend. Do you make him eat your menstrual blood?

The answer is very simple:

>Women as individuals, and even more so as a collective have much greater social access and privilege than males.
>Women use this greater social access and power to promote a victim-mentality ideology which garners them more privilege and status
>Women are not so much concerned with objective truth as they are with using language to get what they want
>Most men are powerless in this arrangement and are forced to submit to female power, so they grab what little power they can, at the expense of other males

>>35732385
>Like a scuba suit. Or space suit.
LMFAO what
Every person survives without a scuba suit or space suit except the people who are fucking diving and going into space, and they would survive without them too if they weren't doing those things.

Answer the question about the conjoined twins. Answer the question about the braindead person. You will find them here >>35732118

>>35732387
Nice job not summarizing any of my points thus far, I bet people think you're really funny when you're out with your friends in public.

Also, I don't think there are two females talking about this ITT. There's just me, and the one person talking abortion with the religious donkey.

>>35732458
Oh wow man u got me there
wow I didn't even come up with an answer for that one
how come I did dad gum not even think of that
shucks

>>35732490
>Why do women get paid less
Because female-dominated fields like teaching and nursing are underpaid while male-dominated fields like banking are overpaid, because women are generally denied entrance into certain job fields like the role of business CEO, and because women get paid less for the same job than male counterparts.
>inb4 muh wage gap is not true
It is true, but you read shill news.

>hypergamous
You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.

>>35732361
See, the one in fives statistic seems like complete bullshit to me. Great you spent a lot of time in a bar where people tended to get drugged and raped, but that doesn't make the one in five statistic true.

Here's the report most people base the claim on

http://www.aau.edu/uploadedFiles/AAU_Publications/AAU_Reports/Sexual_Assault_Campus_Survey/Report%20on%20the%20AAU%20Campus%20Climate%20Survey%20on%20Sexual%20Assault%20and%20Sexual%20Misconduct.pdf

Their definition of rape besides the legal definition also includes
>(3) coercive threats of non-physical harm or promised rewards
>(4) failure to obtain affirmative consent.

I'll leave it open to your own interpretation but I'd urge you to think about how many of those 20% of women experienced these acts rather than actual rape. I'm not trying to downplay rape here and sympathize with its victims however slinging around statistics from facebook / huffington post articles isn't the way to go.

Other than that could you elaborate on the way America treats maternity leave? Because to me if you aren't able to take care of a child financially then you shouldn't be having them.

Also imagine if you were working in STEM and people would suddenly not buy your companies product anymore and would very openly and without shame tell others that it's because a woman designed those products. There would be a complete and utter outrage! Yet with men in kindergarten jobs it's pretty much socially accepted.

>>35731872
>Do I really have to explain to you why adults don't want to have romantic relationships with children?

No. But women will compare men to boys or children if they find them weak. It's the weakness they're averse to.

Although recently there has been quite the trend of older female school teachers having sex with male minor students (and even smiling about it).

>I don't need my boyfriend to keep me safe.

Spoken like a woman who's never been in danger in her life.

>But if someone did that to my grandma, and they had a kid together, I'm almost certain she was raped, not voluntarily having sex with someone who destroyed her family and livelihood.

That's the thing, though. Women today are the product of all those rapes in the past. Which explains the prevalence of rape fantsies among women:

>A 1974 study by Hariton and Singer[1] found that being "overpowered or forced to surrender" was the second most frequent fantasy in their survey; a 1984 study by Knafo and Jaffe ranked being overpowered as their study's most common fantasy during intercourse. In 1985, Louis H. Janda who is an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University[2] said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women.[3] A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.

>A study of college-age women in 1998 found over half had engaged in fantasies of rape or coercion which, another study claims, are within the normal range of female sexuality.

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>>35732548
You've got a serious thirst for (You)'s
The "female dominated" fields that you mentioned don't earn as much money but they are not expected to. If you think nursing is as valuable as banking, engineering or manufacturing/distribution management then kekerino. Learn how into free market

>>35732429

here's some studies on the male-female legal gap

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0887403412466877

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1557085111430214

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0306624X09360966

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13218710903566896

there are more but you'd require to have a login and to actually read the literature in order to see the variable of male vs female sentencing. so I just stuck to ones with male v females in the abstract.

i feel it's pretty conclusive that men are worse off in the eyes of the law, there are plenty more studies if you wanna go read google scholar.

>>35731996
>Eh, I don't sleep much. It gives me something to do. Everyone else is still asleep.

Typical woman. Always looking to men to entertain her because she's too stupid to entertain herself. Always looking to men to solve her boredom because she can't figure out how to do it herself.

>>35730516
But your bird-brain does.

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>>35732548
It's a simple question. Why should the genders have equal outcomes when the men are the superior one? I really want to know some arguments refuting this otherwise innocuous conclusion.

>>35729080
> However, men aren't the only ones inhabiting it anymore. It can be really difficult for women to enter certain fields because of the way they're set up,
you have a good point - not gonna argue.

> like a woman in STEM is likely to not finish her degree and I think it's because
1. She's usually the only female in any of her classes
2. People treat her poorly for wanting to do "a man's work"

now this i disagree with. I'm taking electrical engineering and it's mostly guys, only like 4 girls in the class. The girls that are in my class simply are not as smart as the guys. I have this one girl who always comes and asks for help because she understands barely anything. The worst part is because she's not as capable, she requires extra help from the professors and takes time away from the guys who could excel - not because "the patriarchy" is holding her down. Women are simply inferior to men when it comes to the man's world

>>35732548

>your fucking menstrual blood spilling everywhere

And why are men in prison so much more than women? That's because men get victimized by male police who want to fuck the women they talk to not arrest them, and men get picked on because they tend to commit more street crime and less domestic battery proportionately compared to women and rabble rabble raffle rabble *menstrual blood spots appear on my pants*

TA DAH. I just proved society is biased against men like you just "proved" that the wage gap is a result of some fucking giant fucking refusal by old cigar smoking monopoly men not to let women have a nice job "rabble rabble rabble! Wimmins in my companeh! NO. NEVAH I SAY. Let us insetad form a conspiriceh! Let us make sure that all wimmin work be *breathes in* HYUNDERRRRPAIDDDDD! And nevar let a women get a good old boys job".


You know what's funny? My excusing of my prison rates actually has more evidence behind it than your laughable "MEN ARE JUST BEING MEAN AND THATS WHY WE DONT HAVE AS GOOD JOBS >:(((((" because no fucking company is ever going to turn down someone who is as qualified and willing to outbid their fellow employee for the job.

You're just an ass-mad conspiracy theory shitting bitch.

Fuck you. :D

>>35732385
>but it is a human
Regardless of whether or not it's a human, the question is when does life start.
>baby ad nauseum
I'm just going to assume you don't know what a baby us at this point
>zygote and fetus are pro choice terms
No, they're scientific designations of the process of growing a human.
>no sex is safe sex
No sex is not sex. It's neither safe or risky.
>you're a collection of cells
You keep missing the "viability" issue, huh? A collection of cells, even human, does not equal a viable human. If you're a nofapper or some kind of fundamentalist, then "spilling my seed" is murder. All those potential humans lost, all those cells dying.

>>35732578
I know the contentions with the study, but unfortunately there is no way to weed out false rape claims from the real ones. Also, I would consider
>coercive threats of non-physical harm
rape, but not
>promised rewards
But I guess everyone sees it a little differently.

I'm a woman, I have only two female friends and one of them was raped by someone she knew when she was a teenager. She also knows someone else who was raped. So, it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me to think the 1 in 5 statistic is close to true.

>Because to me if you aren't able to take care of a child financially then you shouldn't be having them.
I personally agree, but you can't really be telling people that because then it becomes eugenics. Things come up, medical care is especially expensive, especially for women with complications, and even a lot of employers don't pay maternity leave at all, even if you're only gone for two weeks to pop it out. With medical costs and the costs of a new baby, not everyone can afford to take more than two weeks off work with no pay to foster bond between parent and child and to breastfeed, see to complications, etc.

Money shouldn't be an object for people hoping to become parents when procreation is quite literally the meaning of life. Before you ree: I don't mean that the government should subsidize all children, but rather that a couple should be able to take time off and still get paid in order to do their bit to further the human race and ensure great childcare.

In Norway, which recently unseated Denmark as "Happiest Country on Earth," new parents get a combined 49 weeks of maternity leave at 100% pay, or 59 weeks at 80% pay, and men may take up to 14 of those weeks themselves.

If you adopt, you get 46 weeks at 100% pay, or 56 weeks at 80% pay, because they value familial connection - probably part of why they are the happiest country.

>>35732652
her username is spermary face?

>>35729080
Women are garbage and all should be raped then disemboweled

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>>35732764
Yee can't find anything else about her though.

>>35732578
>>35732750
As for the STEM product gender kindergarten thing, if female engineered products had proven faulty many times in the past, they had hurt or endangered people multiple times, or something like that, then I would expect such backlash.

The fact is that men commit 94% of child molestation perpetrated on young girls and 86% perpetrated on young boys.
>And a major 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education found that nearly 10 percent of U.S. public school students reported having been targeted with sexual attention by school employees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment_in_education_in_the_United_States#By_teachers

10% of kids old enough to remember it report sexual advances from their teachers. Who knows what the statistic is for children younger than that?

>>35732591
Some people fantasize about having their genitals mutilated or having sex with dogs and it doesn't mean they would actually do it or like it. Some males fantasize about being raped in a "prison gay" kind of way but I guarantee they wouldn't like it if it actually happened.

I don't know about other women, but I compare men to children when they're dumb and arrogant, kind of like you ~

>>35732612
>If you think nursing is as valuable as banking
lmao I'll let you make that decision if you ever get reasonably sick in your life, see what a banker does to save you m'boi.
>free market
When has that ever helped anybody?

>>35732625
This is a really cool site, bookmarked for future reference.
You have to wonder what causes this kind of thing. It should definitely be a matter of discussion - but in the country with the highest rate of incarceration per capita in the world, I doubt it's going to come up very soon.

>>35732638
I'm entertaining myself, clearly. If I expected you to entertain me, I'd read all your *oh so interesting and innovative* waifu/trap/MBTI/cuck threads.

>>35732118
>If the mother chooses to have the nonviable twin removed from the viable one, thus making life easier for the viable one but "killing" the nonviable one, is that murder?

It is murder. But murder can prevent future suffering.

>>35732652
Men are physically superior. Women are socially superior. Men are better with math. Women are better with language. You can't really argue one gender being better than the other with historical reasoning because women haven't been given a fair shot.

>>35732653
You're using four women as your scope for all of female intelligence?
>because she...requires extra help, [she] takes time away from the guys who could excel
"Man, if only my plastic surgeon wasn't rebuilding some burned guy's face right now, he could be here right now making me even more beautiful. That inferior being is taking time away from me."
If the men in your program can truly excel, then they'll do it without coddling from your professor. It would be nice if there were fewer students to each teacher, and everyone could get all the help they deserve, but there are always going to be people who just aren't as bright.

>>35732228
>LMAO Men commit crimes more often than men, and that's fact.
>Men make up 92% of gang members.
>https://people.missouristate.edu/michaelcarlie/what_i_learned_about/gangs/gender_composition.htm
>Men represent 90.5% of all homicide convictions, 89% of robbery arrests, 83% of arson arrests, and 77.8% of aggravated assault arrests.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime#Statistics
>(The last three statistics were in the year 2011; all statistics are from America.)
>Life doesn't jail men more. Men get themselves rightfully jailed more.

And they're all drowning in pussy. Women reward men's bad behavior.

And yes, you stupid cunt, men are expected to sacrifice themselves more than women are.

And you're right, women don't want the shitty jobs that men do, they want the cushy jobs where they can cry about sexism and discrimination and sue the place. If you don't want to be sexually harassed, don't work there.

>>35732496
>>Women are not so much concerned with objective truth as they are with using language to get what they want

Truer words have never been spoken.

>>35733078
>if you don't want to be sexually harassed, don't work there
lmao what
>if you don't want to get murdered don't be around a murderer
>if you don't want to sacrifice your life for a woman or child then don't
>if you don't want to work in a sewage plant then don't
You can't excuse illegal behavior in a workplace and then complain that men are "expected" to do things no one is making them do.

>Women reward men's bad behavior.
Men reward women's bad behavior.

/thread
fucking dumb faggot

Anybody else feel embarassed for the people typing up these long posts for either side of the argument

I feel extremely privileged as a girl because I'm like a puppy dog that is loved and catered to! Heeeeeh.

>>35727831
shut up niiiguuurr bitfh ass beta quit whining you little rectum ass bitchhh shut the fuck up

>>35732504
>LMFAO what
>Every person survives without a scuba suit or space suit except the people who are fucking diving and going into space, and they would survive without them too if they weren't doing those things.
>Answer the question about the conjoined twins. Answer the question about the braindead person. You will find them here >>35732118

The argument seems to be that since a baby at a certain age cannot live apart from its life support system (the womb), that it isn't deserving of life, it's not a viable human. It's simply a way to dehumanize the baby that's being killed, to avoid feeling bad or guilty for killing a child.

But needing a life support system to live doesn't make someone less of a human.

As a baby is to the womb, humanity is to Earth. Humans can't live apart from the Earth. Humans needs that life support system to survive.

And I reject the idea that all offspring, in all species, are merely "parasites." No, they're offspring. It's how they propagate their DNA.

And yes, regarding a conjoied twin, or a braindead person, I think it's murder in both cases. But sometimes murder is justifiable, like if it will prevent future suffering. Euthanasia is murder, but death is the end of suffering.

>>35732548
>Because female-dominated fields like teaching and nursing are underpaid while male-dominated fields like banking are overpaid, because women are generally denied entrance into certain job fields like the role of business CEO, and because women get paid less for the same job than male counterparts.

Those fields are dominated by women by choice.

And women can start their own companies if they want to be CEO. Not even men go around expecting to just ask to be CEO.

And if women got paid less than their male counterparts, every corporation in the world would immediately fire all men and replace them with women, because they only care about profits.

>>35733300
>And if women got paid less than their male counterparts, every corporation in the world would immediately fire all men and replace them with women, because they only care about profits.
This is retarded
You know this is retarded
nice digits tho
retard

>>35733269
It's not a child until after it's done being a baby
It's not a baby until it's born
It's a fetus before that
and it's not a fetus until after it's done being an embryo, in the second trimester (almost no abortions done during this period)
It's not even an embryo until it's done being a blastocyst (about 5 weeks in)
and it's not even a blastocyst until it's done being a zygote.

NO ONE is arguing that blastocysts and embryos aren't human. They are technically human DNA. However, they are NOT alive, they are NOT viable, and it doesn't matter what you think or not, by definition, it isn't murder.

Go back to yokel city. You will not fare well outside of your religious cult.

>>35731872

Canada. Quebec specifically. Look up Mike Ward and Jeremy Gabriel. Jeremy is a dude who, at one point, when he was like 6 years old, sang for the pope. He sings like shit, never took singing lessons, but because people are fucking pussies who are afraid to offend special snowflakes, everyone jerk him off and it resulted in his ego being super inflated. To this day he is convinced he is a good singer and stupid ass pussies jump i n front of all the bullets when people criticize him.

Then a comedian by the name of Mike Ward made a joke about him. IMO it was pretty damn tasteless, but really, I don't care, nobody should care, if you don't like a joke, that's it, move on to content that makes you laugh. LITERALLY a fucking decade later, jeremy is an adult and he decides to prosecute Mike on the claim that the joke was the source of his bullying even though literally everyone had been making fun of him ever since he sang fir the pope. Nigger don't seem to understand the risks of becoming a public figure.

Jeremy won, the state won and with his new fame and attention, he started his "singing career" again.

The hypocrisy in this is that the whole province took the side of charlie hebdo when they got assaulted for their tasteless humor directed at islam, but when a comedian makes the same tasteless kind of humor against a disabled person, everyone's heart bleed for the attention whore. French Canadians, my own people, are hypocritical racist fucking pussies. We are weak, spineless.

The funny thing is Mike is considered a trash offensive comedian by our standart when, in the states, he's pretty General public. He makes jokes about anal sex and swears a lot and everyone flip their collective shit at him, we, also, have zero sense of humor.

>>35733269
>pulling the plug on a veggie is murder
No, it's not. You cannot be charged with murder for taking a human shell off life support. But hey, I doubt anyone is expecting logic from someone who refuses to acknowledge the stages of human development.

>>35732741
>Regardless of whether or not it's a human, the question is when does life start.

It's a human. And it's alive. Human life begins at conception, like all species that reproduce via sexual reproduction.

>I'm just going to assume you don't know what a baby us at this point

When a woman says she's pregnant, she's pregnant with a baby. You can use whatever other terms you want in order to dehumanize a life so you don't feel bad about killing it, but it's a baby.

>No, they're scientific designations of the process of growing a human.

Yes, and human words and categories are arbitrary symbolic vocalizations and symbols attemping to divide a reality into divisions, but life itself is a process.

"Species" is also a scientific designation. But the problem is where to draw the line, which is often arbitrary, and these classifications are only made up in the human mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

To point out how arbitrary it is, there are 4 species of giraffe, which came about due to geographical separation, and yet there is only 1 species of humans, despite human begins having even farther geographical separation, over many more tens of thousands of years.

>You keep missing the "viability" issue, huh? A collection of cells, even human, does not equal a viable human. If you're a nofapper or some kind of fundamentalist, then "spilling my seed" is murder. All those potential humans lost, all those cells dying.

Viability is the ability to survive outside the uterus. Whether or not a baby can survive outside the uterus determines viability, but it does not determine if it's a human being or not, and it does not determine if it's alive or not.

And no, "spilling your seed" is not murder, because sperm only has 23 chromsomes. Sperm and eggs are haploid cells. Human diploids cells have 46 chromsomes.

Human life begins when two gametes meet and form a diploid cell. At that point, a woman is pregnant. She is "with child."

>>35732955
>Some people fantasize about having their genitals mutilated or having sex with dogs and it doesn't mean they would actually do it or like it. Some males fantasize about being raped in a "prison gay" kind of way but I guarantee they wouldn't like it if it actually happened.

Your argument is that women who fantasize about being raped don't want to be raped? They just daydream about getting raped and it gets them wet and they think it's hot and it gets their adrenaline going and they fantasize about it and they even masturbate to it, but they won't want it? Is that what you're saying? That people don't want what they fantasize about?

Go read the studies of Meredith Chivers you stupid cunt.

>>35733025
>Women are better with language.

Women are better at talking fast. There's a difference.

A man wrote Romeo and Juliet. A women wrote Fifty Shades of Grey.

>>35733025
>women haven't been given a fair shot.
that shows how women are not equal to men

if women were equal to men, they wouldn't have to be "given" any opportunities by men

>>35733189
>lmao what

Working a job is about trading your time, effort, work, and sometimes even dignity, for money. If you don't like the working conditions, you can quit. Your salary is what they pay you so you don't leave.

>You can't excuse illegal behavior in a workplace and then complain that men are "expected" to do things no one is making them do.

I'm not excusing it, but if you don't want to be around a certain environment, then don't.

And yes, men are expected to do all kinds of things. Nobody makes people try to meet expectations, it's just expected, it may even be unspoken. Some implict obligation or duty is perceived to be "owed."

>Men reward women's bad behavior.

Women's bad behavior is largely cheating. Men don't reward women who cheat on them. But women will reward men who beat them. And women will reward men who kill other people.

It's not women's fault that their dumb cunts gush at the thought of violent murderers, it was evolution.

>>35733199
i have a phone too!

>>35733399
>This is retarded
>You know this is retarded

No. Corporations only exist to make a profit. So corporations are always looking for ways to cut costs, and increase profits. If they could pay women less for the same work as men, all corporations would fire all the men and only hire women, looking for cheaper labor. Just like if a corporation can outsource their labor to a foreign country where people get paid pennies, they will.

That's why the "wage gap" myth is nonsense. And mostly based on the fact that women simply choose to pursue lower-paying college degrees, and women choose to pursue lower paying jobs.

>It's not a baby until it's born

False. Is that what pregnant women always talk about? "My fetus"? How's my fetus doing? Would you like to know the gender of your fetus? It's a baby. And abortion kills a baby. Abortion is murder. However, sometimes murder is legal.

>NO ONE is arguing that blastocysts and embryos aren't human. They are technically human DNA. However, they are NOT alive, they are NOT viable, and it doesn't matter what you think or not, by definition, it isn't murder.

They are alive. Cells are life. Single-celled organisms are alive. Once a woman becomes pregnant, she has a human being growing inside her. And whether a baby is "viable" or not, doesn't mean it's human or not. Abortion is murder, it's ending a life. It's ending the life of an unwanted child. So why stop there? Why not kill babies that have been born but are unwanted? Why not get rid of unwanted humans?

>Go back to yokel city. You will not fare well outside of your religious cult.

I'm not religious. But abortion is murder. It's an early murder, but it's still murder.

You still haven't answered the question about whether a guy punching a pregnant woman in the stomach and killing her unborn baby would be chargd with homicide or manslaughter.

Or is it just a legal abortion in your mind?

>>35733893
>it's ahuman. And it's alive. Human life begins at conception
It's not A human, but it is human. It's not an individual formation yet, just a collection of cells. And you're right, those cells are alive, but those cells don't make a viable fetus, let alone a baby (which is what a woman finally gives birth to, until then it's gestating and developing).
>Yes, and human words and categories are arbitrary symbolic vocalizations and symbols attemping to divide a reality into divisions, but life itself is a process
That's some nonlogic, the stages of human development are bogus and arbitrary because life is a process, why define the stages?
There's a giant difference between you and a fetus, or you and an elderly person, or you and a child. There's a big difference between pubescent and pre pubescent, but why differentiate, it's arbitrary. There's a big difference between infants and children, but they're all in the same process, so don't pay attention to arbitrary designations; so go ahead and give your infant children's Tylenol. I'm sure everything will turn out great. Development is a meme, pass it on.
>Viability is the ability to survive outside the uterus. Whether or not a baby can survive outside the uterus determines viability, but it does not determine if it's a human being or not, and it does not determine if it's alive or not.
It doesn't determine whether or not it's human, but it determines if it's A human. An individual apart from its mother.

>>35727831

I've been denied help many times because people assume that because I am a man, I have it oh so easy and I don't need any help.

/r9k/ is actually full of weirdos and losers that believe in "male privilege". They are steeped in slut culture and they hate any men that aren't Chad.

The whole thing is very insulting, since I know I haven't had a life of privilege and yet people just don't fuck off with that myth.

I don't think women have no problems, it's just that women receive far more help than men do for their problems. And men protect women and side with women, they don't protect or side with other men.

Finally, a lot of people assume that just because some men have it easy, that means we all do. That is another misconception in western society that is very damaging to men. I don't have an amazing life just because Trump or Rockfeller are badasses and they happen to have dicks.

>>35733426

I haven't refused to acknowledge the man-made arbitrary, conceptual stages of human development. But those arbitrary stages are used to justify killing unborn babies, destroying human life.

I've never argued that abortion should be illegal. Just that people should be honest about it and admit that it's murder. A murder to avoid inconvenience.

I just know what ending a human life looks like.

And there's a difference between killing aka murder, and the legal definition of "murder." And I don't think most murderers are charged with murder, they're charged with homicide or manslaughter.

>>35734660
>But those arbitrary stages are used to justify killing unborn babies, destroying human life.
The stages of prenatal development are hardly arbitrary. You must not have kids, you must have never been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant, because that development is HARDLY arbitrary.
>Just that people should be honest about it
People are honest about it, you just refuse to listen because you somehow deemed the truth arbitrary because humans and pesky science.
I'm not even sure what your last paragraph means, it's pretty off topic. Murder is the act of homicide, willfully taking a life. Manslaughter is unintentional homicide.

>>35734599
>It's not A human, but it is human. It's not an individual formation yet, just a collection of cells. And you're right, those cells are alive, but those cells don't make a viable fetus, let alone a baby (which is what a woman finally gives birth to, until then it's gestating and developing).

A baby in a woman's womb is a human. It's a separate entity, an individual, with normally 23 chromosomes from mom and 23 chromosomes from dad. A baby's life begins at conception.

The human body is "just a collection of cells." But that's just an attempt to dehumanize human life, which then makes it easier to destroy. As if destroying a baby is like skin cells sloughing off.

Whether a fetus is "viable" or not, why does that matter? Do you think it's murder to kill a fetus that can live outside the womb, but it's not murder to kill that fetus a day before?

It's a baby before it's born.

>That's some nonlogic, the stages of human development are bogus and arbitrary because life is a process, why define the stages?

You can make up words for stages, but the problem with language is that it tries to create artificial divisions, slicing reality up into "things" with clear borders, when there may not really be clear borders. You can name every wave in the ocean, but it's a dynamic system, words are static, like trying to freeze time.

>There's a giant difference between you and a fetus, or you and an elderly person, or you and a child.

They're all humans at different levels of growth. But we don't say that killing a child is not murder, but killing an old person is. Does someone's size determine if they've been murdered? No, someone ending their life does.

>It doesn't determine whether or not it's human, but it determines if it's A human. An individual apart from its mother.

A baby is an individual with a unique genetic code apart from its mother, which gets nutrition from the mother, and also can even send stem cells to help repair a mother's damaged cells.

>>35734877
>The stages of prenatal development are hardly arbitrary. You must not have kids, you must have never been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant, because that development is HARDLY arbitrary.

Development is one thing, making a new label for every day of development is another. So yes, the "stages" which are basically abstract labels, and how many stages you divide gestation into, are arbitrary.

And no, I don't have kids, and I probably never will. Because bringing someone into existence will always bring them harm. People who have children are throwing an innocent child into a cruel world haphazardly, and they have no idea what pain or suffering or trauma that child will endure before it eventually dies.

"If a child, for whose existence I was responsible, were to ask me why he or she were here, what happens after death, whether I could guarantee he or she would not suffer a fate like that Furuta Junko suffered in 1988/89 (please look it up, as there's no room to describe it), what would I say? To me, the fact I have no answers that would not be guesswork, evasion or dogma indicates that having children is selfish and cruel." -Quentin S. Crisp

Abortion is murder, but it's an early murder that can prevent future suffering.

"It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place." -David Benatar

Benatar for example is extremely pro-abortion, he thinks all babies should be aborted, in the interest of minimizing human suffering.

>People are honest about it, you just refuse to listen because you somehow deemed the truth arbitrary because humans and pesky science.

Destroying a life is murder. Without sex there would be no death. All conception begins a death sentence.

>>35734946
>A baby in a woman's womb is a human.
But the thing in a mother's belly isn't considered a "baby" until further in development.
>Whether a fetus is "viable" or not, why does that matter? Do you think it's murder to kill a fetus that can live outside the womb, but it's not murder to kill that fetus a day before?
If that's how you want to reduce it, sure. Time gestating plays a role in development, and after a certain amount of time, the fetus is able to viable live outside the mother. Before that point in development, it's status isn't viable.
>You can make up words for stages, but the problem with language is that it tries to create artificial divisions, slicing reality up into "things" with clear borders, when there may not really be clear borders
But there are clear borders. Maybe you're not looking.
>But we don't say that killing a child is not murder, but killing an old person is. Does someone's size determine if they've been murdered?
There's no difference between killing a child and killing and elderly person, but there's a helluva big difference between removing life support and killing an individual.
>baby is an individual with a unique genetic code apart from its mother
Unique genetic code=/=a viable individual.

>>35735177
>People who have children are throwing an innocent child into a cruel world haphazardly
Here's an idea, don't throw them in haphazardly. Try teaching them the skills and foresight on how to navigate this cruel world, and hope that your addition makes the world less cruel.

I have to go stick a thing up my ass and inject foam into it or I'll die. Don't fucking tell me about gender equality.

>>35734275
>A man wrote Romeo and Juliet
Yeah, a "love story" about two retarded teenagers who killed themselves in a tantrum because mummy and daddy didn't like their new bf/gf.

They're equally retarded stories, one is just written in a flowery outmoded language that you think makes it special.

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>>35734946
Jesus, you need to stop posting.
Either this is an elaborate troll, or you are really one of the most retarded people I've ever talked to.

>>35735258
>But the thing in a mother's belly isn't considered a "baby" until further in development.

It is. Pregnant moms' talk about "my baby." People doing ultrasounds talk about "your baby." If women have a miscarriage, they "lost the baby." Maybe doctors say "fetus" because they're trained to use the Latin medical terms for things, knowing jargon helps demonstrate they're worth what they get paid, plus "cold" terms like that may help doctors care less and not give into sentimentality, be more clinical, try to be more objective.

People talk about a "fetus" because it's dehumanizing and easier to kill a "fetus" than "kill a baby."

>Time gestating plays a role in development, and after a certain amount of time, the fetus is able to viable live outside the mother.

Yes, viable means whether a baby can survive outside the womb or not. However, a baby's viability status does not determine whether it has a right to live or not.

Do human beings have a right to life? Without that, how can there be any other rights?

>But there are clear borders.

Well, different body parts develop at different times. A baby's heart beat starts at about 6 weeks. I clearly think it's better for an abortion to happen sooner after conception than later. It's also better for a baby to be murdered in the womb than much much later in life.

>There's no difference between killing a child and killing and elderly person, but there's a helluva big difference between removing life support and killing an individual.

An elderly person might have intense suffering daily, and death might be a relief. And removing life support is killing someone, but it's certainly more justifiable if a person has no hope of improving.

>Unique genetic code=/=a viable individual.

A unique genetic code means it's a person being killed during an abortion, it's not just about the woman's body. The baby's body is being destroyed, it's life is being ended.

>>35735327

No parent can know the future. You could raise your kids perfectly, give them all the opportunities in the world, and one day they could be abducted, raped, tortured, and brutally murdered. Parents may not have committed all that harm, but they made a person would could suffer all that harm.

"Procreation expands the horizons of suffering and is therefore ethical misconduct. It provides the space where evil is done." -Miguel Steiner

No parent has children expecting the worst that reality has to offer, parents are delusionally optimistic. And yet, all parents condemn their children to die by conceiving them. "Every cradle is a grave."

"Assuming that each couple has three children, an original pair's cumulative descendents over ten generations amount to 88,572 people. That constitutes a lot of pointless, avoidable suffering. To be sure, full responsibility for it all does not lie with the original couple because each new generation faces the choice of whether to continue that line of descendents. Nevertheless, they bear some responsibility for the generations that ensue. If one does not desist from having children, one can hardly expect one's descendents to do so." -David Benatar

The root cause of suffering isn't people who harm others, it's parents who make new people who can suffer.

>>35735374

Anon said women are better with language. They are not. They are better at talking quickly.

Of the greatest writers throughout history, most are men. There isn't even a woman considered the "female Shakespeare."

Modern women will complain that they simply didn't have the opportunities that men had in history, as a way to excuse the dearth of good female writers. But I think it shows more a lack of inventiveness, since the female brain is smaller.

The greatest male philosophers throughout history didn't ask for permission to write what they did. They just did it.

>>35735403

Abortion is babykilling. Get over it. I never said it should be banned. But it's still murder.