>made 70,000 last year >federal tax: 8270 >social security:

>>35681729
They've never been in a socialist country where 50% of your income is stolen by the state to pay for things you disagree, and complain instead about their free job at starbucks not paying enough despite the fact that they would earn less and have less buying power would the US become socialist.

As always, feels over reals.

We should really just do away with income and property tax. You could add a flat 50 cent tax on every purchase and still generate the same amount of tax revenue each year. There's really no point in income tax other than to be am intentional affront to the American worker

Because I enjoy living in a country where an accidental injury does not result in a lawsuit to cover the medical costs.

>>35681803
>You could add a flat 50 cent tax on every purchase and still generate the same amount of tax revenue each year

You're going to need to state some research on that one, buddy.

>>35681803

I think a sales tax that high would lead to a colossal black market and all the issues associated with that.

You dont understand their mindset. They dont want themselves to be taxed. They want everyone above what they make to get taxed to death to pay for pipe dream bullshit like free college.

>hurr durr every europoor country has free college

they also tax the middle class almost 50% and all their colleges suck compared to the US besides maybe some in the UK.

>>35681729
Because sometimes resources need to be allocated in a way that creates an efficient and productive society. Why do people think a society should be run like a business?

>>35681838
The us government took in 3.8 trillion in tax revenue last year. The most ever. 300 million Americans make well over 8 trillion purchases a year which will continuously increase with population.

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>>35681853
If an idea or service is great than it will make sense to an individual to voluntarily support it with his money. Forcing people to buy something they don't want by threat of force is extortion. By principle it is unethical.

>>35681839
It's 50 cents a purchase. It's completely negligible

>>35681891
>50 cents
>negligible
On a 1 dollar purchase, that's a 50% increase...
Putting a fixed amount is stupid. If you want to put some sort of AVT, use a percentile instead.

>>35681883
That makes sense.

>>35681839
Would an additional .50 on a candy bar really create a black market if people are no longer paying federal taxes?

>>35681891

Oh, I thought you meant 50%. In which case, your idea is retarded because that will be a lot lower than the current sales tax.

Not to mention without income and property tax the average American will be making 15% more per year, No one will be able to tax dodge, immigrants and visitors will pay the same taxes. Sure that 50 cents is a minor inconvenience but it's per purchase not per item unless your homeless level poor you won't notice it.

>>35681999
>go into the store to buy a candy bar
>.50 cents additional charge

Why not just have a scaling percentage tax like we already have?

>>35681803
This hurts so much to read dude. Adding a flat 50 cents tax to everything would make let's say a 30c banana cost 80c. Meanwhile a ferrari would cost 9999.5$. How would this help anyone but the 1%?

>>35682051
Because everyone would no longer be paying income tax. Everyone would be making more. You guys keep getting hung up on tiny purchases. It's not improbable to find 50 cent on the ground infront of the grocery store.

>>35681729
And yet "socialist" countries have a much bigger middle class and much less poor people.
Really activates my neurons.

>>35681729
>not contributing to a 401k and traditional IRA to defer taxes on your income

>>35681729


luicky fucking asshole

i only see 76% of my check

and that doesnt even count my forced-purchase health insurance

i live in jew york

>>35681729
No you didn't make 70K. You didn't even make 700 that wasn't part of neetbux you slime. Stop making up epic stories, and remember that >>>/pol/ is that way.

>Alarm clock wakes me up
Using electricity powered by the local power company, regulated by the Department of Energy
>Took a shower later
Using the clean water provided by the municipal water utilities
>Watch TV for today's forecast
Using the National Weather Service's satellites, designed and built by NASA
>Made and ate breakfast
Food and Drug Administration inspected and certified safe to consume
>It's 8:30 am, gotta go
Time regulated by the National Institute of Standards and Technology
>Get into my car and drive to work
Using the roads built by the local, state, and federal Department of Transportation
>Today is payday
Get paid in legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank
>Go home and shitpost on 4chan
With my internet provider regulated by the Federal Communications Commission

>>35682172
>lucky
He's a literal communist Jew.

>>35682051
Can you hook me up with a couple of those 10K Ferraris?

>>35681841
>good education
>US
KEK

>this is what Americans complain about
How's that healthcare, infrastructure and college debt treating you? My gubmint takes good care of that shit thank you very much.
>but if I make 200.000 I have to guve 100.000 to the state
Boo fucking hoo you can't buy that mansion so other people get adequate healthcare and education.

>>35681841
Gee, why are American unis so good? Maybe because they ask 50k per student and just outspend any other country? Good way to do it, let the poor people rot in community college amirite.

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Why did someone who makes $70k a year post a picture of a Capitalist U.S. Senator (a legislative body specifically created to protect personal wealth) when asking a question about Socialism?

Anyway, anyone who doesn't want to destroy Capitalism isn't worth talking to. Piece of shit. Kill yourself.

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>>35682441
>what is a pel grant
>what is student loans
>what is scholarships
>what is military/reserve military duty

regardless of why we are the best in the world when it comes to higher education, we still are best in the world. Stay ass mad sven.


>>35682260
nice meme just look at statistics

>>35682471
pic related

>>35681910
Come on dude. Really? It's 50 cents. I know you're poor but that's nothing to most people.

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I don't know maybe because most people who support socialism never did an honest day's work in they're lives

Same with anyone who openly opposes racism, you can bet your ass they don't live anywhere near niggers or know many niggers

>>35681729
>made $300 last year
>no idea how much was taken out or whatever
>get a w2 in the mail, cant even remember what it was for
>enter numbers into turbotax
>get $70 back
idk its ok

>>35682535
>implying access to higher education in the US is anywhere near Scandinavia's standards

>>35682051

The 1% is a meme. Mind your own fucking business. The government shouldn't be helping anyone, but if it's going to I'd much rather see them help good people like le 1%.

I think it's a great idea, $0.5 added on every purchase is brilliant and has a negligible effect on anyone.

>>35682227

I would happily give up all those shitty things in return for thingl much better. I struggle to think of even one good thing any government agency does for me.

>>35682535
You can shove your statistics in your ass. In europe we have stuff that you learn in uni in middleschool

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>>35682900
you learned about Pepe in middle school?

>working in 2017
>your work benefits your boss much more than yourself, earning him a sweet new yacht
>of the little you earn a third goes to some government official somewhere so he can buy a fifth house
>another third goes to jamal and muhammed so they can blow up more people and rape women with your money

Working is a rigged system no matter what.

>>35682710
People would change their shopping habits to only doing big shops. There would be fewer transactions and as a result less income

also

>>35681926
>Would an additional .50 on a candy bar really create a black market if people are no longer paying federal taxes?
Doesn't matter, the price will rise to whatever the market can sustain with the lower taxes. More money to spend = higher prices.

>>35682753
>Same with anyone who openly opposes racism, you can bet your ass they don't live anywhere near niggers or know many niggers
literally the opposite of the truth

>>35681729

Socialism works great for people whose needs outweigh their ability to contribute (NEETS, students, the mentality ill, the lazy, the stupid). Socialism doesn't work out so great for people who can contribute more and need less (older / more successful people with better salaries usually).

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>>35681729
Because they are a bunch of retarded commies and liberals, that's why.

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>>35682710
To "most people" it would feel like they're spending too much, and would discourage them from buying, effectively stalling the economy.
If you have a solution to bring more revenues to the state without making people angry that is not yet used, it's a shitty solution.

>>35681729
>Tax money going to pay for wall for Mexico, War drones, politicians vacation time, and corrupt money laundering is okay

>But making us pay for our schools, hospitals, health, fixing communities, and social security is where I draw the line

Capitalism is a really selfish system

>>35681729
well in a socialist society the burden should ideally be more on the side of the business owners so that theyre encouraged to give higher salaries and earn less money from having money
the way taxes work right now is that rich ppl just get richer but the middle class has to pay up for the lower class and therefore is severely limited from gettin into the upper class

>>35681883
Source or you're lying. And don't tell me to look it up either. If you're gonna make a claim then fucking back it up.

I think the USA needs to create a containment socialist state. California I think. They can all move there (by force if needed) and stay there.

>>35684771
They might as well secede from the union.

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>>35681729
taxation is not socialism

>>35684200
In a completely socialist society there would be no singular business owners, those who work to provide for family/community/themselves etc would own the means of production of required goods and thus the goods themselves; In other words, mass ownership of the business instead of singular.

I cbf'd finding the data but if you look youll find that the majority of taxes from the middle class go to supporting the business endeavors of the rich business owners rather than to supporting those who have been impoverished by a system that puts economic gain over the material needs of the many

I believe in aus centerlink takes up like 1% of taxes or something but subsidies for the mining industry who extract - not provide - value to our economy take up a much larger percentage, this is also not including the fact that the government is also decreasing spending on social services and increasing spending on subsidies for the already uber rich.

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>>35682849
this post embodies your average right wing libertarian, look at it, study its absolute retardation and laugh

>>35682237
>dude, a person has a set of traits which definitions and epistemology I've learnt from infographs on /pol/, its sources being the creators dad and the memory of briefly skimming mein kampf in year 7
>im totally not projecting these traits onto him, they are the literal truth

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>>35681729
>HEEEEEEY!!! THIS SYSTEM ISN'T BENEFITING ME AND ONLY ME ALL THE TIME, WTF??? ME ME ME ME ME ME ME! I'M A /WINNER/ JUST LIKE MY IDOL MR. DONALD J. TRUMP, I DON'T NEED NO SO-CI-E-TY TO GIVE ME HANDOUTS, OK? I'M A BIG BOY AND I CAN LOOK AFTER MYSELF!!!!!!!

>>35681729

>Why do so many of my millenial colleagues think Socialism is a great idea?

(1) They've never had a grown up job, (2) They've never had to be responsible for anyone other than themselves

>>35682900
public education in the US is a fucking joke never said it wasn't. Its Higher education (the one that matters) that BTFO you europoors.

Im expecting your shit countries to start lowering your k-12 standards though. As soon as mudslimes start complaining its to hard and racist. Same thing happened in the US with blacks.

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>>35684111
pic related this is for you faggot

blox

>>35687198
I'm sorry, have you ever read Marx? No?
Shut the fuck up then.

>>35687123
Not the same Anon but unless you're talking about top universities you're woefully mistaken. Burgers have to shell out thousands of bucks to attend colleges/universities on par with free European ones. What the US has is shitty affordable education and top notch millionaire education while Europe has good to excellent affordable education and meh higher education.

>>35681729
>>made 70,000 last year
No you didnt. The after tax amount is what you made you entitled cuck.

>>35681729
And for all that money you get the most expensive and worst quality healthcare system in the world! But at least the military can keep on spending $42 each on wrenches!

>>35681729
>made 70,000 last year
>have 53k left after taxes
>WOW HOW DARE THEY BLEED ME DRY LIKE THIS

Nigga, you can live lavishly on 50k a year. Don't be greedy.

I owed $12k then ended up getting 2k back after deductions.

Learn 2 tax

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>>35687233
Don't be a silly billy, anon.

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$70k is more than enough to live comfortably, even after taxes. You could support a family of 4 with that wage. Being so lucky in your life, it's only fair for you to give a portion of your income to those less fortunate.

You're only upset about it because you're a greedy capitalist pig who only cares about himself, and not the poor people he's stepped on to get where he is.

>>35687233
>I'm sorry, have you ever smoked weed?
>Oh you have? Well you never tried this strain before
>Oh you tried it? Well I have this special blend I made myself, you've never tried it but I guarantee you will like it

>It is literally impossible for you to disagree with me, you should be addicted/support marijuana religiously like meeee

>>35687319
>Wanting to keep your own money is entitled.

>>35687319
this. OP is 1%er and still complaining

>>35687353
It's the governments money not yours you faggot. Be glad they let you keep most of it.

>>35687353
>Not understanding that to live in a good country, one must pay taxes to maintain the quality of life not only for others, but yourself.

If you don't want to pay taxes for the country you live in, you should leave the country. See how far that gets you.

>>35687371
>70k salary before taxes
>1%
Boy you guys are idiots

>>35681891
He probably thought you said 50%. But no 50 cents is not totally negligible. Any business that makes less than 50 c profit per purchase would disappear.

>>35687353
You faggy ancaps should all move to Somalia, there are neither law or taxes noe roads.

>>35687390
>Paying for a hideously inefficient healthcare service
I'd rather just keep my money tbphwy

I'm not appose to paying tax, I'm sick of paying a huge portion of what I earn so the government can spunk away my money on pointless shit.

>>35687488
>I'm not appose to paying tax, I'm sick of paying a huge portion of what I earn so the government can spunk away my money on pointless shit.

Now that I can agree on. I dislike how my country pays foreign aid to Africa with my tax money too.

>>35681729
Everyone who enjoys Facebook is economically illiterate.

>>35687488
It's not your fucking money for fucks sake

>>35681729
>try to make 70,000 under no-tax system
>work for company
>ask for paycheck
>company sends armed guard to tell you to suck his dick instead
>kicked out of corporate compound
>raped and murdered by marauders

>>35687542
>Mug someone on the street
>Get arrested
>"BRAH, IT AINT YO MONEY FO FUCKS SAKE"

>>35682111
>It raises the same amount of revenue
>But everyone is paying less in taxes

>>35687581
Mugging is a crime you retard. Paying taxes isnt

>>35687581
you didn't build that, dummy. you don't have the slightest understanding of the system you claim to own a stake in.

>>35687565
>>35687457
OP never said he wants to keep 100% of his income.

>>35687581
You don't seem to understand what a government is.

Under government nothing is really yours.

'Personal property,' you get what they allow you to have.

>>35687581
Through state violence we have adopted the legal fiction that some stuff in this world is "yours" and you have the right to exclude others from using it. In exchange the state gets a cut of what they have declared to be "yours" in order for the system to function. Seems fair right?

>>35687656
Once again, OP didn't say he should get to keep 100% of his income.

>>35687596
>muh trickle down
Just go to sleep you neocon fagtard. You're just another faggot promoting tax cuts for the rich. Oh and have you heard? Your Uncle Donald is cutting social security so he can fight against the enemies of Israel. Good goy!

>it raises the same amount of taxes
>but poor people have to proportionally spend more, more than they save in income tax

>>35681729
Socialism is a good idea when your taxes are used for something GOOD, but too bad the US spends more 50% of taxes to the military when western/northern EUROPE dont even spend more than 5% of taxes on that

>>35681841
>their college sucks compared to US

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

shit these idiots represent the most powerful country in the world.
I hate mankind

>>35681777
>"free job"
People who still live with mummy really shouldn't talk economics.

>>35685775

impoverished gibmedat spotted

>>35682222
quads that makes you thing

>>35687709
Someone has to secure all those oulfields. Doesn't matter if the job market is shitty or not or if working Americans are starving. Why aren't you working 20 hours more to push your kids through ridiculously overpriced colleges? And don't forget to consume shit, we love all the debt you're amassing.

>>35681841
Keep dreaming, I actually come from a northern european country and college is free, healthcare is free, there is fucking cheap as fuck housing here, everything is bloody cheap, and people still earn a fuckload of money. Your americans crack me up every fucking time because you know you can never obtain this while you live in the most corrupt and capitalistic country in the world.

>>35687763
Haha, too bad we barely have any debt, we don't have any poor either since the poor get free housing and welfarebux.
Stay fucking mad while your a literal slave for your government

>>35687346

>work hard growing up in school

>study my ass off while peers fuck around

>friends literally try to convince me not to care about school, party instead

>graduate college with a great degree

>get headhunted by firm and given a huge salary

>friends work in retail/restaurants

>mfw some anon tells me ive been stepping on others to get where i am

others stepped on me to try and pull me down faggot. im here because i earned it

youre a useless drone with a crab bucket mentality. maybe you need to be stepped on.

>>35687744
>supports cuck mentality
Back to /pol/ you mongrel and don't forget to suck The Don's cock. Work more, consume more, fight for foreign interest, for oil companies with blood on their hands.

>>35687809
maybe your bra needs to be looser, it's cutting off the pus flow to your breasts

>>35687390

>is an ideological baby who thinks the gubment has only good intentions and never wastes money

>>35681729
All of you "work hard and become successful yourself with help from nobody, socialism is for pussies" people are idiots

The 1% are rich because of the existence of the 99% who they use for cheap labor and as consumers of their products. Most of them inherited their money anyway

>>35687829
Funny thing is that only governments in northern europe have good intentions, You see a average politician in france, the US, greece, Russia for example and they're all fucking pretentious corrupt people.
This is why socialism is the only way forward

>>35687797
I think you misunderstood my irony. I'm guessing you're from Norway? I'm from western Europe too. Fucking pathetic of Burgers thinking they're superior.

>>35687828

sorry, got no pb for your jelly

>>35687859
Yeah I didn't understand the irony lol, im from Sweden, everytime a burger cries he has to pay taxes for poorer people cracks me up always since I know those same people can't even afford their own healthcare. Their government are literal thieves, now they get a literal jew as president, fucking hilarious.

>>35687867
No, seriously, joking aside. I'm honestly worried that your breasts aren't getting enough pus. Get a proper bra size evaluation, please, before your pus pustules are permanently damaged.

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>>35682535
>student loans
>military service
If this is your argument for American college, I don't even need to make a counter point

>>35682849
>Alarm clock wakes me up
Using extremely expensive Koch Industry (trademark)electricity you can barely afford
>Took a shower later
Using the dirty water transfered through the deteriorated pipes nobody is willing to pay to keep clean
>Watch TV for today's forecast
Oops I mean check the internet you can barely afford to look at another countries weather service
>Made and ate breakfast
And got food poisoning from unregulated food
>It's 8:30 am, gotta go
Good thing other countries governments are keeping track for you
>Get into my car and drive to work
Using the Toll roads you have to stop and pay for each time you use them
>Today is payday
Get paid less than you need to survive
>Go home and shitpost on 4chan
With my internet provider who decided to block access to 4chan last month and gives you 10kbps download speed
>Food poisoning kicks in and you need to go to the hospital
Too bad you can't afford that

Man, wouldn't a libertarian Utopia be great? Whenever you fail in a libertarian Utopia, just remember it's 100% your own fault.

>>35687933

this kind of post is why youre a virgin

>>35687198
>>35687333
>"you seem to not understand the distinction between communism and marxism"
>yeah well look at this communism meme with Bernie hair xD
/pol/ack """argumentation"""

>>35687905
Better yet, that orange retard is talking about (fake) no-go zones in Sweden yet in the US there are no-go cities like Detroit or Houston. The major problem the americunts have is that they're deeply devided by everything. Race, income bracket, gender, religion, politics and feel no empathy beyond their own group. Their faggot president rather increases a military budget everyone else says is already bloated and they fucking cheer about people having no social security, no job security, nothing. You're either working/consuming or you're worth less than dirt, they'd literally kill their mother for a promotion and 10,000 bucks.

>>35687960
Cool. all right man! Great! Yeah buddy, insult me with your arrogant mouth while a foot below it and about 6 inches back, unbeknownst to you, your breast pustules strain to produce the minimal amount of pus to keep your breasts from atrophy. See how that works out for you, buddy boy! Enjoy that, pal! Nice breasts, for now, you poor fool!

>>35681729
Fuck you made 70.000 dollars! 70.000 GODDAMNED DOLLARS! Why are you still complaining? Let's see, a random, well paid laborer makes like 15.000 dollars/year. Do you really think you deserve almost 5 times his salary?

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>b-but we need to stockpile for Bannon's self-fulfilling prophecy of a third world war

>>35687809
>wahhhhhh I didn't party in school why do I have to pay taxes :(
You're an autistic loser with a crab in the bucket mentality

>>35685539
Let's put only right-wingers in all of those departments, I think that will make things better. :^)

>>35687709
military spending is good because that is how we have control over the world market and we protect the country from being invaded. The US is rich in resources and if we disarm the country we are going to be invaded.

>>35685775
pls post the pig version makes me laugh so hard

>>35688027
Kek you are thin skinned. Multiple posts insulting someone else and this is how you respond to being called a virgin. Jesus fuck go outside sometimes.

>>35681729
Bitch please, you're selfish just admit it

>>35688110
Wow, yup! LOL! Your breasts dying is my problem, okay buddy! Whatever you say! LOL! You know, I'm almost glad your breast health is subpar, Jesus forgive me, but I almost feel that you deserve it.

>>35688089
invaded by whom? no big superpower would even seek war with another superpower, be it russia, china, EU. Globalism is at a stage where these countries can't afford going to war anymore. Also what is """NATO"""

Socialism can work if its nationalized.

>>35688129
Isn't it more selfish to make others give away what you can't generate yourself?

You only make $70k yet you support Republicans? Why are poor people so fucking stupid?

>>35688089
>disarm
Perhaps, now bear with me, perhaps there's a middle ground where we don't cut Meals on Wheels to further fund a bloated, wasteful complex that every single senior military advisor has said theybneither need nor want.

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>>35688167
How about you generate a thick, ropey stream of yogurt from this, Anonymous?

Can you imagine the kinds of insane inefficiencies there would be in government if people didn't resist tax hikes? There needs to be some downwards pressure on their spending or they will just waste 99% of the money they take in. Even if you like government programs you should still place pressure on them to operate efficiently.

>>35688041
>a random, well paid laborer makes like 15.000 dollars/year.
What? That's what a person making barely above minium wage makes full time. A construction worker makes like $25k starting.

>>35688173
Because coddled middle-class liberals don't know what it feels like to be poor?

>>35688207
>Be poor
>Vote for people who want to keep you poor
Maybe the reason you're only making $70k is because you're an uneducated bafoon.

>>35688197
I don't suck government cock all day, I think you would do it better.

>>35688202
They did with the sequestration, a move Republicans were adamant about but are now bitching about because it also reduced funding for muh troops.

Isn't funny how we spend far more than any other country on our military yet we hear troops say they don't have the equipment they need. Who do you think is pocketing that money?

>>35688173
>>35688223
That's not poor you retards. You don't know anything about money. In real life, you don't come out of college with a CS degree and make 300k starting.

>Be American
>Democrates want to tax the rich because there is literally no reason why some random person earns moer than 200k a year for just a simple accountancy job and another person earns only 20k a year, the gap between rich and poor is too big.
>Republicans try to justify this becasue "hurr i did my best in school therefor i earn the privilige to earn 1000xtimes more than a construction worker" while those people barely earn 70k a year, afford healthcare, spend too much on their 3k a month appartment, have a huge studentdebt
>Mfw

>>35688145
Russia and China would invade us if we disarm the country. The earth has limited resources and they are going to want the resources the land produces.

>>35688223
Or maybe you can't increase IQ through education and that's why liberal art school graduates can only get government jobs. You're right the intelligence correlates with pay, though.

>social security: 4340

You're going to get that money back in spades when you're old. It's not like it's gone into nothing.

>>35682227
all those things could be paid for with a, relative to what we have now, low tax rate

>>35688282
Your penis correlates with gay.

>>35688276
"""Newsflash"""
Both Russia and ESPECIALLY China have been infesting into cleaner Energy the last decade and even more since this year, the EU is still frontrunner regarding clean energy
>Mfw burgers still believe into """muh resources""" while these things will become obsolete in the future when every single country runs on 100% clean energy

>>35688305
In your mind, yes.

>>35688207
There are two types of libs. The poor, uneducated (usually minority) wage slaves, and the middle to upper class yuppies who didnt grow up being poor and want to give to the poor, but as long as they stay on top.

The poor that actually were poor and actually had to work hard to make it are almost never these libshits. Hence why /r9k/ are mostly pro socialist retards. They will never do anything themselves to change their circumstances.

>>35688257
It's not poor if you grew up in poverty. My fucking dad makes $200k a year. That's a lot. $70k is what a 26 year old should be making.

>>35688282
I work in a private legal firm, idiot right winger.

>>35688328
Yes, that's what I mean. Thinking about your penis makes me channel quite a hefty amount of blood into my own penis!

>>35688273
Seriously this. It's not right.

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>>35688273
>mfw
>mfw when no f

>>35688338
>I work in a private legal firm, idiot right winger.

I'm glad you managed to do something with your gender studies degree, son.

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>>35688308
P.S. Some EU countries are already running on atleast 50% clean energy and by 2030 most of EU countries will be running on atleast 30% clean energy
pic related, its from 2013, since then alot has changed

>>35688359
Homosexuality isn't right either, that doesn't stop you from engaging in it constantly.

>>35688273
Yeah, thats why when obongo was in power for 8 years the gap really shrunk didnt it. Retard.

>>35688276
>Russia and China would invade us if we disarm the country.
No. No they would not. China has no reason to invade the states, you collosal retard. Stop with the idiotic war fantasies. China relies on the states for trade and would be so hurt economically that they probably couldn't afford the fall out of their failed invasion and subsequent embargoes. I'm not even going to entertain a Russian invasion, they don't have the military power to try.

>>35688273
>>35688359
No one with a simple accounting job is making $200k. People with $200k jobs are in positions that deal with serious matters such as multi-million dollar transactions, people's lives, designing planes that millions of people will be flying in, etc. Idiots.

>>35688377
Stop molesting my butt, pop. I'll keep going to town on your penis but I think you're doing damage to my hole.

>>35688273
>>Democrates want to tax the rich
>most democrats are rich
>the taxes mostly go to niggers on welfare
>Republicans want lower taxes for everyone

>>35688338
You have probably never had a job and your perspective is skewed because your dad makes a lot of money.

The average person with a bachelor's degree does not make 70k at any point in their career. Someone with a meme degree like CS on average will never make more than 100k.

>>35687772

They don't earn a fuck load of money net relative to the US.

Socialism is for niggers, muts and cucks

>>35688387
Haha, I've been laid more than you I can guarantee that. Capitalism can't take away my good looks. Must suck being ugly tho

>>35688406
Nah, I make 200k for letting people fuck my pussy and butt. Now stop talking to these internet weirdos, son, it's time for supper.

>>35688276
>Invading the US
Are you retarded? There's oceans on the east and west (patrolled by the largest navy in history) with two countries bordering on the north and south. The USA has by far the strongest military both in numbers and hardware. As another anon said both Russia and China (as well as basically every other country in the world) rely heavily on trade with the US. Invading the USA would be suicide on multiple levels.

>>35688406
Its is known for thousands of years that when people EARN TOO MUCH for their jobs that they will fucking rip everyone off.
For example in northern/western europe there are limits to how much an executive can earn SIMPLY for the reason since if they earn too much, their company will eventually go bankrupt and the government has to save it to prevent people from losing their jobs.
Also executives work better when they get a honest salary instead some inflated salary, the same goes for overpriced politicians, look at the US, every politician is a pretentious kike simply because they earn too much and that was their main incentive to work for that position. In northern/western europe, these politicians don't earn much so only honest people apply to the job that care about governing their countries more than the salary.

>>35688424
>lower tax for everyone
>cut social security, food stamps, homeless shelter, for everyone
Those fuckers are basically trying to rebuild the feudal system, it's ridiculous that anyone earning below 150k/year is voting for them.

>>35688424
>democrates are more mature and care about the poor while republicucks are too from reality and live in their own bubble
woa thats new!!!!

>>35688489
Nice shifting goal posts from $200k "accounting job" positions to executIves.

>>35688504
>implying there's something wrong with the feudal system

Now put on my slippers, O Slave. I have many debts to collect from wage serfs.

>>35688041

Depending on what he does, yes, he just might(I doubt it very much, but maybe.)

>>35688504
Most people don't get any of those entitlements, so how is that "everyone"?

>>35688525
>giving money to lazy niggers on welfare is a good use of my tax dollars

kys, you know damn what democrats use the fucking money for and that it won't benefit most of us at all

>>35687398
>Ranking by Income
>According to the Global Rich List, a website that brings awareness to worldwide income disparities, an income of $32,400 a year will allow you to make the cut. Using current exchange rates, that amounts to roughly:
>29,185 euros
>2.2 million Indian rupees, or
>211,126 Chinese yuan
>So if you're an accountant, a registered nurse or even an elementary school teacher, congratulations. The average wage for any of these careers falls well within the top 1% worldwide.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/050615/are-you-top-one-percent-world.asp

what you paid in taxes a year, i wont see in a lifetime

>>35688308
nuclear fusion reactors can help but what about other limited resources like land.

>>35688433
They do you dumbass, since everything is cheap as fuck in our countries
Housing? You dont pay more than 400-800euros for rent. Electricity/Water? You don't pay more than 50-300euros for that. Healthcare? You don't pay more than 100euros a month for that if isn't already free. College? You don't pay more than 2k a year for that if it wasn't already free.

>>35688579
Jesus Christ how can you people afford to live if shit is that expensive in Europe?

>>35688379
Lol, you're retarded. Its cheaper to invest in clean energy technology in china because the labor is so cheap. Once that technology is where it is needed to be and once there is enough of a demand for clean energy and it is affordable in relation to oil, coal, and gas then we will see it happen. Just because china and russia are investing in the tech does not mean you wont see it here eventually. Clean energy doesnt mean shit until it costs less than our main sources of energy.

>>35688206
Dunno, maybe i underrated the difference between euros and dollars? here (italy) a not-specialized labourer makes around 13.000 euros/year

>>35688571
"""lazy niggers"""
>Some if not most of these """lazy""" niggers want to actually go to school but republicans don't want to pay for poor people
>Huehue I only can idenitify a peoples worth with their skincolor

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>>35681729
Cost of doing business in society.

Make more money you capitalist faggot.

You go to the club, you pay at the door, in exchange you get roads, the safety of not getting mugged, and the chance to get laid.

You don't get a better life pushing off externalities off onto society.

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>>35681841
>all their colleges suck compared to the US

heh

>>35688625
Smell Carla Gugino's stinky Italian pussy, faggot. Looking for a big, big whiff.

>>35688622
>Some if not most of these """lazy""" niggers want to actually go to school
LMAO

>>35688605
Thats prices for middle incomes who earn more than 4k euros a month. Which mean if you earn 4k euros a month you have about 3k disposable income.
The poor people that earn less than 2k euros a month basically get government-aid which makes all that shit I named twice if not three times fucking cheaper

>>35688579
>cheap as fuck in europe
Pls tell me where I can get a sweet house and a 10 acre lot anywhere in Europe for cheap. I have this at 30.

>>35688677
there are some nice neighborhoods on the north end of Europe City

>>35688575
Populationrise is halted and sometimes even decreasing in developed countries.
Doubt "land" is even a worry for big countries

>>35688677
Only northern and eastern europe have that. Western europe are too populated (less land available).

>>35681888
You're assuming everyone is a rational actor. Consider how people on the far left or right talk about politics and how many of them came out during the past election.

>>35688607
No shit, clean energy is a investment in the future you idiot. If you keep burning fossil energy you eventually end up destroying the environment.
You don't want to spend 1$ in taxes a year so your country can invest in something good like clean energy?

No wonder your country is so cucked you end up paying 5k$ in taxes starting 2017 because your """GodEmperor""" wants more money for the rich available and more of his militarytoys

>>35681803

Flat taxes are specifically geared toward fucking over the middle and lower taxes. They're more trickle-down theory bullshit with no basis in reality.

>Everyone should pay a 20% flat tax!

20% hurts someone making $40,000 a year a lot more than it hurts someone making $40,000,000 a year.

>>35688565
>>35688543
>receiving help if you're poor and starving is entitlement
>tax cuts for the rich are a necessity
You'd have to be one special kind of retard to believe you'll rather end up rich than end up being poor.

>>35681888
>I earn more than enough at this point that I don't care about """peasants""" even though I don't have the guarantee or insight that I will stay in this situation
>I don't have the mental aptitude that I can understand what policies can do to a country
>I don't believe that republicans are funded by wallstreet executives

>>35688846
If a politician was even funded by something like a executive or someone with political motives in Europe they would be out of their job and in jail within 2 weeks. How can Americans be so retarded?

>>35688839
They're literally called "entitlements". Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>35688881
Explain why Europeans don't care when "philanthropists" like Soros fund their politicians then.

>>35688709
what about the rest of the minerals and resources of earth do you guys think they are infinite or something? they are going to run out because humans are consuming them.

>>35688881
Money is free speech and therefore is protected under the first amendment. So political contributions are free speech
unless you want to talk to a drug dealer or prostitute

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>>35681729
Why don't you ask boomers? They're the biggest socialists of all.

Depends what kind of socialism we're discussing, some of the earlier socialist/communist theorists wanted the government to be dissolved at some point, that was the point of Karl Marx's Dictatorship of the Proletariat. The dictatorship would take over and begin to deconstruct the government to become a state-less community.
On a completely different note, I personally support expanding healthcare coverage and some other social benefit programs as a way to reduce the costs in the long run. Forcing people to get healthcare and see doctors helps prevent the taxpayer from having to pay the much more expensive emergency room bill because someone couldn't afford the costs of seeing a doctor. However, the US has done a terrible job of making effective social programs which is the bigger issue. A great idea can't be saved from poor execution.

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>>35688933
>SOROS SO FUKIN BADDD DUDESS!!!
>Soros funds something in europe, nothing bad happens
>Soros funds BLM in the US, all hell breaks lose
Face it, the US is fuckign fragile

>>35688778
China has fucked up their environment more than the US with practices besides burning coal and gas. You act as if since they are investing in clean energy they are saving the environment. No, they arent. They are much more destructive and uncaring about their ecosystem than the US is.

>>35688981
I guess you forgot how Soros fucked over the UK's economy in the 2000s.

>>35688963
You mean plastic, paper etc?
Those things are recyled in europe, in northern/western europe even better.
I have to even seperate my own garbage when I throw it away.
Also literally all products in supermarkets have recyled packages.
This is also one of the reason why we don't want a one free market with the US because US products will inevidetely be alot cheaper since you people care less bout the environment.

>>35688974
Change your """first amendment""" then
Paying off politicians should be illegal everywhere, why cant those same politicians be happy with just their million dollars salaries paid through taxes?

what nobody wants to admit is that modern day socialism is just dysgenics, its about bringing in millions of third worlders into your country, paying for their food and housing so they can breed like crazy.

you all know im right

>make 70k
>get to keep more than 50k

Holy fucking shit. That's pretty damn good.

I wish my taxes were that low. I live in the Netherlands, and from 70k I'd get to keep maybe 40k, if I'm lucky and the best thing is, we don't even get any of this "socialism". We still pay for healthcare and university separately.

>>35689017
the UK is the same as the US, every politician can be bought off.
Not my fault the UK is so fragile while other European countries are much more tightly knit and have a much more and better relationship with their politicians.
>(Belgium,Netherlands,Germany,Denmark,Norway,Sweden,Switzerland)

The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting.

>>35688987
No shit, but you should understand what kind of country it is, the people are fucking poor in China so they had to somehow save their citizens. And that they end up caring, even a bit about their environment is quite admirable.

>>35689146

>socialism
>middle class

Lolwut? If anything the definition of a the middle class is those who aren't explicitly rich but still vote for the economic right-wing.

>>35689109
Middleclass isn't even close to 70k a year in the Netherlands

Also there is free healthcare for everyone that earns up to 25k-ish(Basically all poor and 50% of middle class)

70k is the same as being a rich taco in the Netherlands

Humans are competitive by nature. Why deny this. I could give less of a shit about some unskilled neetfag. Offer something to my company and we'll make big bucks together, and if you beleive you can do better, start your own company. Fucking faggots.

>>35689260
No they're not, I was born as not being competitive and couldn't care 2c about that.
>Caring more about your dollars than spending 1% more taxes in a year so a atleast 5million poor people can buy food again and live under a roof

>>35689244

>free healthcare for everyone that earns up to 25k

It's not free. You get to pay less but it is still far from free. Also you must be completely disrobed of property first.

It's a shit deal considering the high taxes. Other European countries have lower taxes AND free health care.

Also the health care here is crap. So it's not like we get superior service or anything.

Also 70k a year is not rich. It will still take you ages to buy a house on such an income.

>>35689260

Sometimes the best strategy is to cooperate. Competition isn't always the best strategy.

>>35688890
I know how it's called you shart-in-mart burger, it's still a stupid name. Don't ever reply to me again you 2nd world faggot.

>>35689300
Not ages, a house can be bought for 200k in the Netherlands
Also the idea of socialism is that its justifiable to make everything affordable since everyone will have the chance to go to school and get a job, and everyone has food in his house which is also a nice extra thing
You'd rather want 20% homeless people in the Netherlands like the US has, because in the US people cant go to school?

>>35689297
The powerful and smart will win, regardless of government, or society, or your whining. Submit.

>>35689300
It takes everyone half a lifetime to buy a house. Thank all the rich schlomos trying to broaden their portfolios.

>>35689360
>he submits to the powerful and smart even though they are jewish banksters, wallstreet executives and corrupt politicians

>>35689372
Im an only child and my parents are helping me on a downpayment for a house at 25. I need renters though!

>>35689300
The Netherlands has a huge high population density, highest in all of Europe. No wonder houses are expensive there.

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>>35689409
>He has a job
>He is going to buy a house
all polbs aside, why are you on /r9k/

>>35689388
Id rather be making good money than begging for socialism on an international virgin sniffing service.

>>35689409
My parents live in bumfuck nowhere and a fucking square metre of property costs 150 euros. In the town I live in a square meter costs around 500 to 1100 euros. A fucking square meter.

>tfw cash poor but own property

Anyone know this feel? It's a pretty shitty situation. I cannot use any government services because my net worth it too high. Yet my income is below poverty tier cause I'm just a student. And I cannot convert my property into an income generating asset without investing a lot of time that I don't have.

>>35689449
I make less than 15 dollars an hour, and live with my parents right now, and im a virgin. I deserve to be allowed here. Come rent my house with me.

>>35689321

In capitalism you can cooperate voluntarily. People can decide for themselves if they want to cooperate, its not forced on them by the government

>>35689480
Oh man, come to america and live with me in my house soon. I have no friends.

>>35689492
You'd have to sell it. Government can just rate your property for its worth. You'll get lower profits this way but there's a reason you can't have both liquidity and profitablility.

>>35689520
because in capitalism if people could be forced by the government, you'd be literal slaves with neckcages and all working for the superior jewish race

>>35689533
No thanks dude America is without a doubt a serious shithole if you're earning under 70k/year and even then I'd rather stay here.

>>35689520

That doesn't counter the fact that health care works better when managed by a government entity than by multiple private competing entities.

>>35689533
I don't wanna go over the street not knowing if I am gonna get shot by Tyrone or some raging white virgin

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>2017
>not replacing all taxes on labor and capital with taxation on unproduced natrual resources
>supporting either the theft that is taxation of things privately produced or the theft of uncompensated exclusionary ownership of unproduced goods
>not supporting the LVT
>not being a georgist
It's like you enjoy being a cuck for your feudal overlords.

>>35689557

In capitalism everyone is pretty much already a slave. They don't own any property and work for others so that they can continue living so that they can continue working for others.

If you're living in a capitalist country and do not own any capital, you have to sell most of your days in return for the privilege to earn food to survive.

How do people not see how fucked up it is to be living in a capitalist country and not owning capital?

Anyone who makes less than $150k a year shouldn't be paying any taxes. It's already been established that the amount of money taxed from poor and middle class is negligible. It only serves to fund more bureaucratic waste, that makes politicians richer.

>>35689627
How about we say, we tax everyone like normal as they already do atm and we will cap salaries for everyone who earns more than $150k a year instead? I bet at the end of the day the US would have much plenty enough money available for free healthcare, college, housing and more.

>>35681883
>The us government took in 3.8 trillion in tax revenue last year. The most ever. 300 million Americans make well over 8 trillion purchases a year which will continuously increase with population.

Not that poster but this is as close as I can get. There were approximately 100 billion credit card purchases in the US in 2016. Now I realize there are cash purchases too but I'm going to assume that 75% of purchases are done with cards so that means 133 billion in purchases.

A $0.50 tax on each purchase would result in tax revenue of $67 billion. If the US took in $3.8 trillion in tax revenue last year, a $0.50 tax would never get us to where we want to be.

>>35689564
Its a nice house. Worth 300k. I paying 20k downpayment and parents paying 40k. I need at least 2 wagie renters like me to make my 1600 mortgage feasible for me to pay off in 30 years. Help me anons.

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>>35689706
>He earns nice money
>Has a nice house
>Yet is too far in debt to be able to afford those things above
/Average burger/

>>35689689

I doesn't matter. Nobody is dumb enough to support such a shit deal. It fucks over everyone who isn't rich.

>>35689777
I wont be in debt for long. Parents are very old (67) and have over 100k life insurance plus each. they have 1 business property and 1 house they rent out to wagies, Right now! I just want to live with other fellow wagies from here. Come live with me. Nice trips!

>>35689669
I don't see what's wrong with having a scaling tax rate that starts at 150k.

If corporations stopped dodging taxes the government wouldn't need to tax ordinary people at all. There is no real reason, other than pleasing greedy "shareholders" who don't even do any work, that a corporation needs to be worth 500 billion instead of 450 billion.

Of course it's impossible to do because corporations just dodge taxes and go to another country that's a tax haven. But I feel like if they do that, they should not be allowed to sell back into the US. Thus they'd suffer.

People talk about wanting to put tarriffs on companies that outsource labour, but it's such a relatively minor problem. When companies outsource, you're usually only missing out on a minimum wage job (or a job that is only worth min wage or less). Minimum wage jobs are easily replaceable.

When corporations tax dodge, the government loses out on trillions, and and as a result had to tax 30% of your shit salary to make up for the losses.

So anything you do, you're getting fucked by a corporation. And when they fully automate and don't need to pay workers at all, they'll skip you entirely and start doing B2B transactions while the entire population lives like peasants.

>>35689934
When a company outsources, it's not only minimum wage jobs. Any automaker who moved assembly out of the country cost auto workers good middle class jobs, not McDonald jobs, although when the area doesn't have jobs, there isn't money to spend at McDonalds.

>>35689480
I'll squat on your square meter and deposit a little treasure for you. Have fun curling your body around that when you go to sleep tonight.