Quick question, when did communism go from based family values

around the time people realized communism can't work so the only supporters left are faggots.

>>35667890

I honestly have no idea, and I am interested too. I find it strange how modern leftists want everyone to go to college. That seems pretty useless to me not to mention an absurd waste of money. If anything too many people go to college already. You would expect leftists to declare the entire college institution a scam, but instead they fully embrace it and ironically separate society into an "educated" and "uneducated" class.

>>35667940
>I find it strange how leftists want everyone to go to college
Do you go to college mate? every one of my professors is a fucking commie

Subversion.

Go watch Dimitri Bezmenovs lectures on his kgb work. The communists didnt care about lgbt shit but wanted to erode the traditional values of the west to weaken us. All the degeneracy of the hippie movement was started by kgb think tanks.

>>35667981

Why exactly does a nation weaken when it adopts more progressive values?

>>35667890
Communist thought being established abroad are such destructive and weakening ideas. Injected to pave the way for revolution.

Communism in practice is brutal and rigidly authoritarian, with no room for "counter-culture", "queers" or "revolutionaries".

>>35668042
>Communism in practice is brutal and rigidly authoritarian, with no room for "counter-culture", "queers" or "revolutionaries".

Didn't communist give assistance to feminist and civil rights leaders?

Stalin practiced national communism, or 'communism in one state' as he called it. The modern left views nationalism as a boogeyman, so what you're seeing today is globalist communism (the epitome of cuck ideology)

>>35668035
Post-modernism and critical theory adhere to the idea that there is no objective truth. A society critical of its own culture, believing nothing eternal or sacred, is ripe for change and revolution. Open to any subversion thrown at them, without a social immune system.

>progressive
your input is permanently devalued.

>>35668042

No, communism in practice is more like an ideallic commune with "hippies" (aka moral people who don't fall for capitalist manipulation) who work together on planting crops, and work together in the kitchens to produce food for everyone in the community, and have community events and festivals.

sovet union was not real communism by any means

>>35668100
Yes, abroad, as I said. That's a political tactic. A swing at the institutions and society of the enemy.

You are naive.

>>35668171
>sovet union was not real communism by any means

Yes it was, fuck off

>>35668171
Then real communism has never been tried, and all self-proclaimed communists and Marxist revolutionaries are, in fact, enemies of the people, both to actual communism, and the capitalist societies they seek to take over, and should be fought at every turn, wouldn't you agree?

>>35668143

Then why is modern leftist the side that values science and truth?

>>35667890
Communism was never about "based family values". They want to replace the married family with the state.

Part of the reason abortion rates in the Soviet Union were so high.

>>35667890
Communism was always that, ya stupid idiot. Stalinism was the outlier.

Communism was always trash.

>>35668238
t. queer who would have instantly been sent to a work camp

>>35668215
(((science))) and (((truth)))

What I don't understand is that original commies hated the bourgeoisie (people who were born in their class and wealth and didn't have to work for it), but that's all that current commies are.

Every single current day commie I've met was born into a middle class life, never worked a real job (if at all), and has never been hungry

>>35668215
It doesn't.


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>>35668174
>That's a political tactic. A swing at the institutions and society of the enemy

That's exactly what Democrats did during the 60's. Only democrats fucked minorities even worse.

>>35668279
The original communist revolutionaries were always university-educated men of leisure. The poor and hungry were disgruntled enough, at the time, to act as their foot soldiers.

>>35668215
>there are 1293219321 different genders
>free speech is bad
>we need to breed white people out of existence

>>35668279
>Communism means everyone has to be poor

How's middle school doing you?

>>35668298
All the better for them. The destruction of the self-sufficient family breeds a dependent class that are easily led. The can be good voters, good rioters, and political muscle. They need you, they vote for you, thinking it's their interest, and they believe what they're told. Perfect Red Flags.

>>35667890
People devoted to being just will choose the most just model of society.

>>35668265
No, t. someone who knows about the history of socialist projects.

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I also have a question, why were they all jews?

>New Soviet Man
---->
>Numale

How?

>>35668362
>t. someone who knows about the history of socialist projects.

You obviously don't though

>>35668320
>We should say intolerant things with no consequences but completely rage and report anything that we don't like

>Reee I hate niggers, mudshits, and Jews! Day of the rope when?

because the main "theme" behind communism is equality. You can't claim to want equality for everyone when you're discriminating homosexuals and transgenders

>>35667890

In order for leftism(in general) to survive there needs to be a victim to focus on, the same way fire needs fuel to burn

Since the fall of the Soviet union the interest for communism faded further. Combine this with the loss of support from the working class, which were the "victims" at the time in the eyes of the lefties and they had an identity crisis since optimism and economic growth in the 90's made leftist ideals unappealing.

Therefore they had to shift focus and find new victims in order to stay alive and relevant, hence we're now dealing with this "LGBTQAR-15++ queer cuck bullshit" as you put it

>>35668391
What's wrong about hating niggers, muslims, and jews? Give me one good reason.

>>35668385
Yeah, I do. Every serious communist author pre and post Stalin that wasn't a Leninist shitbag was and is for social justice in one form or another.

>>35668320
>global warming don't real
>being gay is a choice
>black people are not objectively treated worse than whites

>>35668431
This. I used to call myself a communist because I was so desperate to be viewed as equal in society. I don't call myself a communist anymore because it's cringed.
I accepted that I'll always be viewed as subhuman degenerate garbage no matter how I contribute to society (see: ceo of Sirius radio)

>>35668467
>was and is for social manipulation and control for political gain in one form or another.

fixed

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>>35668443
>Give me one good reason.

I don't know...

>>35668373
Pogroms in the late 1800s early 1900s due to the belief that they assassinated the Czar Alexander II and later because they were accused of supporting Bolshevism. Even then it's a system that rejects god.

It's like how Ukrainians were once supportive of the 3rd Reich, but their enthusiasm soon dissipated when they all started to get shat on.

>>35668443
It's illogical and nearly all racial differences are caused by economic factors. Which communism will erase.

>>35668503
That's what you think social justice is? You're a sick puppy.

>>35668557
And you're a naive puparoo

>>35668574
Tell me why you think social justice = subjugation

>>35667890
Communism was ALWAYS anti-family. Communist intellectuals always rejected the traditional family as a capitalist construct (which makes no sense considering it existed for thousands of years prior to the development of capitalism). Stalin wasn't a communist, he was just a power-hungry psycopath who used communism to gain power.

>>35668215
You mean like the scientific truth that IQ is heritable? Or how about the scientific truth that the races on average have significantly different IQ's?

>>35668652
>You mean like the scientific truth that IQ is heritable?

No it isn't

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>>35668698
But being gay is? Nice logic there, buddy

>>35668712
>But being gay is?

Never said that or confirm in that

>>35668735
>Never said that or confirm in that

what?

>>35668602
Not necessarily. While it was kind of like that way at first in order to bring women into the whole "proletariat worker revolution" fold it was reversed due to birth rates and whatnot, and a thing I mentioned earlier (New Soviet Man, New Soviet Woman) was the ideal to strive towards. Although soviets were really just apathetic if anything.

t. not a gomuniss

>>35668757
Being gay isn't inheritable nor as having a high IQ is. Those two things aren't even comparable and you're still wrong about both. Explain straight parents having gay children

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Redistributing resources has a lot of appeal to society's losers.

>>35668840
I'll take you seriously when you learn how to write a coherent sentence, pal

>>35668469
>being gay is a choice

It's a mental disease.

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>>35668171
>Gommunism has never truly been tried

>>35668840
>Eye color isn't inheritable. Explain dark eyed parents having fair eyed children.

>>35668911
Mental diseases have inherent negative effects so nah.

>>35668962
Like AIDS?

>>35668962
Being gay gets poop on your genitals increasing the chances of bacterial infection, that's pretty negative

>>35667890
>based family values Stalinism
>Pavlik Morozov

>>35668976
I didn't know gay people were born with aids. Otherwise it's as much a gay thing as it is a black thing. Do you think blackness should be considered a disorder too?
>>35668988
So being gay equals having anal sex?

>>35669070
Or like (assuming no god) the inability to carry on genetic information and continue the species?

Sigmund Freud said that humans are born bisexual and their experiences make them a fag or not. I see absolutely no difference for an autistic/schizoid sperg who's experiences did not foster the kind of setting for healthy development to occur. This along side how there are inherent negative connotations (which meet your criteria) associated with it, Homosexuality is a mental disease.

>>35667890
> American anti communism propaganda
Disgusting. Can I truly blame you for swallowing what has been spoon fed to you since you were born?
I hate this place. I hate how it becomes an echo chamber for idiocy, prejudice and reactionary ideas.
You wanna Know when communism became about gays?
It didn't.
You have never read a single line written by marx. But if you do, either in the communist manifesto or on his Magnum opus, you won't find a single line referring to anything slightly related to sexuality. Marx's ideas were about fight of classes, economy and materialistic dialect. Nothing about individuality, let alone sexuality. It's about the work force seizing the means of production. Nothing more. Nothing less.
You want to know why the self proclaimed leftist parties of the current system support gays? Instead of looking for abhorrent conspiracy theories, think for once. Cause and consequences
> What is the right wing's opinion and ideas about the lgbt?
Now you have it. How can a non self hating, well resolved gay support a party that wants his head on the stake? A nazist jew? The Ultimate hypocrisy. We leave that to you.
With time, leftist parties saw in the lgbt community a potential ranch of voters who were adrift and neglected by traditional parties, and thus began the support.
Usa is a political Joke, but any country that has a more serious political representative system will have both, left wing parties more liberal regarding social progress, and traditional ones that preach the workforce revolution but also support traditional values.
Stupid Americans.

>>35669182
Gee, i didn't know being gay made you infertile. Should being educated be considered a mental disease, since it reduces your willingness to reproduce as well?

>>35667890
I know this answer is going to get lost in all the banter and maymays, but I might as well try.
t.studying political science

Communism, from the very basis of pure marxism, was always about classes: the poor against the rich, the worker against the shareholder, the landowner against the worker... It allows communism to build an oppressed and an oppressor, and gives the political power a reason to use force to destroy the oppressor, although not necessarily at the benefice of the oppressed.
It was the case in the Soviet Union under the struggle against the owner of the land, as it was thought that capitalism was the worst thing on the face of the earth and was bound to collapse.
Unfortunately, it turned out that capitalism was more resilient than Marx first devised, and it's more modern followers have tried ever since to understand why he was wrong.
But another branch of communism simply decided, instead of keeping up with a flawed idea (although I am not discussing the truth of Marx's work, simply that its predictions were wrong), decided to move the goal posts: the oppressors weren't the capitalists, but the whites, the heterosexuals and the males. And that's how, in the last 30 years, marxist ideologies affiliated with feminism and these kinds of movements because it allowed a way of subsistence beyond the deadlock that was the capitalist paradox.

Anyway, I hope you'll read this, and maybe that you found this useful in any way.

>>35668443
> Whats wrong with hating people for arbitrary reasons such as skin colour and facial features that they have no control over whatsoever?
Gee anon, I don't know. I'll let you hate Muslims, though. They are not doing a good case advocating for their own humanity.

>>35669201
>>35669276
oh hi /leftybro/s

>>35669228
Where in my post did it say it made you infertile? Or perhaps homosexuality causes you to be dumb? A homosexual does not carry on his or her genetic information, which ultimately assuming the absence of god, is the goal of species. I'm glad you'll be dead in a few months from HIV.

>>35669182
i don't think there's a single thing Freud said that hasn't been disproven

>>35668911
I like your supporting evidences. Very convincing. Those bible verses are truly enlightening on the subject.

>>35669366
I'm not from the left...
This is, however, an idea I find quite interesting that was first spoken by Jordan Peterson if I recall correctly, and it makes absolute sense if you see how marxism has evolved in the past hundred year.

>>35668911
As much as being left handed or disliking pineapple.
>>35668976
> A gay disease
Oh no... It's retarded...

>>35669182
> Referring s pseudo scientist whose theories, although popular with the uneducated, have been all completely debunked so far
> Speculating his own conclusions
Bravo. You convinced me.

>>35669405
The evidence is leading me to believe homosexuality is directly correlated with intelligence

see:
>>35669182

>>35667890
>stalinism
>family values

are you sure about that?

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>>35669276
>t.studying political science

is this supposed to give you merit? lmao

>>35669518
What part of "gay people can procreate" is so hard for your understanding, dear Inteligent anon who paraphrases freud in abhorrent fashion?
The mere fact that you use "goal of the species" non ironically proves how little you understand about biology or method for that matter. But what should be expected of someone who listed "aids" and "genital infections due to anal sex" as negative impacts of homosexuality.

>>35669622
Never implied it gives me some kind of authority, only that I state where I got this from.
But would you agree or disagree with that interpretation?

>>35669624
>But what should be expected of someone who listed "aids" and "genital infections due to anal sex" as negative impacts of homosexuality.

not that guy but that's literally common knowledge, I'm a biology major at a top university

when did national socialism go from triumph of the will to unemployed, lazy social deviants?

>>35669492
>>35669624

It's difficult to be positive (unlike you ba-dum tss) about the causes of homosexuality because of the active community present barring any research on the matter, as well as changing societal norms. I'm presenting a theory as to how homosexuality could be, in fact, a mental disease. Like the idiot you are you never once refuted the central point of what I am saying and instead you're attacking little details. Homosexuality is a mental illness because the ones who suffer from it are not engaging in the healthy, normal, and intended behavior of passing on genes.

the poo guy wasn't me, except if you count my x-treme shitposting.

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>>35669686
l would agree desu senpai

>>35667975
did you just agree to his post?

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>>35669724
YeeY, I goteem commies

>>35669720
Being a monk is a mental illness because the ones who suffer from it are not engaging in the healthy, normal, and intended behavior of passing on genes.

>>35668840

>Explain straight parents having gay children

Easy. Gays can't have kids.

>>35669799
Dude, we get it. You're gay and butthurt, it's ok

>>35668698
>there are people still denying that a large part of human behavior and cognition is heritable

Jesus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21826061

>>35669696
I would double check your "top college" credentials, clearly they are not doing a good job in your graduation, but maybe it's not their fault.
Last time I checked, venereal diseases and hiv didn't made sexual discrimination between orientations. For that matter, HIV came to surface arbitrarily in 1950 in Congo from clandestine butchering activities involving apes. From that, it spread around the globe through the populations with higher numbers of sexual activity. In a Puritan and retrograde society such as usa, this sexual freedom is the reason why gays are made martyrdom, as being promiscuous and so deserving of the STDs they get. What people who support such ideas fail to realize is that back in Africa aids has always been a general health epidemy for all, straights included. People who use aids as some sort of anti gay argument also forget to take into consideration the letter L from the community. From all the sexual groups (heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, homosexual women, transexuals) lesbians have the lowest ratings of STDs. In my country, the number of lesbians with hiv is so low there's no accurate statistics about them. So how would this "aids fueled prejudice" work regarding lesbians? Homosexuality would be considered a mental illness for men because of all the horrific numbers regarding diseases, but for lesbians it would be ok, although they also are homo? Besides, if you are judging a group based on how promiscuous they are or how prone to diseases they are, shouldn't lesbians be at the very top of that ladder, considering they suffer less with STDs than hetero people? Wouldn't they be, under your flawed perspective, the superior group?

>>35670174
>I would double check your "top college" credentials, clearly they are not doing a good job in your graduation, but maybe it's not their fault.
>Last time I checked, venereal diseases and hiv didn't made sexual discrimination between orientations. For that matter, HIV came to surface arbitrarily in 1950 in Congo from clandestine butchering activities involving apes. From that, it spread around the globe through the populations with higher numbers of sexual activity. In a Puritan and retrograde society such as usa, this sexual freedom is the reason why gays are made martyrdom, as being promiscuous and so deserving of the STDs they get. What people who support such ideas fail to realize is that back in Africa aids has always been a general health epidemy for all, straights included. People who use aids as some sort of anti gay argument also forget to take into consideration the letter L from the community. From all the sexual groups (heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, homosexual women, transexuals) lesbians have the lowest ratings of STDs. In my country, the number of lesbians with hiv is so low there's no accurate statistics about them. So how would this "aids fueled prejudice" work regarding lesbians? Homosexuality would be considered a mental illness for men because of all the horrific numbers regarding diseases, but for lesbians it would be ok, although they also are homo? Besides, if you are judging a group based on how promiscuous they are or how prone to diseases they are, shouldn't lesbians be at the very top of that ladder, considering they suffer less with STDs than hetero people? Wouldn't they be, under your flawed perspective, the superior group?

you are a fucking faggot, didn't read btw

>>35669720
What you are offering is a hypothesis. Learn the least about method before trying to play the scientist.
> Gays are barring researches that show the truth
Evidence for that claim? Pure speculation again? I'm getting used to it. One see what one chooses to see. For example, regarding gay parents, OMS made a report back in 2013 which contained a revision of literature, 54 researches made throughout the globe that attested that children raised by gay couples (in developed countries, it's fair to mention) suffered no sort of disadvantage growing up compared to children of hetero couples. Still there's one research made by an American theologist from a Protestant college there in the Midwest, it's from 2015 and since it has been thoroughly quoted by people who want to give some "scientific" perspective on their discrimination. But you of course think that researches that found the truth about gays are being obscured by some sort of higher conspiracy... You would rather think that there's a conspiracy silencing your theories rather than you just being wrong.
> engaging in the healthy, normal, and intended behavior of passing on genes.
Your choice of adjectives indicate your tendency. Normal as in majority, I'll let it pass. But healthy... Wait a minute, healthy? Do you have some sort of evidence that procreation induces health? I'm not talking about sex, no, I think it's common sense that sex can be good to your health system (poor robots) but gays have sex too, you might remember. Lots of it. The instance at question here is not the health impacts of sex life, but of procreation, specially in the male. Let me guess, you took that out of your ass? Is there evidence to support that two men with similar lifestyles and regular sex lives have had different outcomes in health because one of them "passed his genes" and the other didn't? Other than the fact that one of them now has mini humans to look after?

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>>35670556
>Learn the least about method before trying to play the scientist.

Not that guy but, you have already proven how scientifically illiterate you are desu

>>35669720
>intended behavior of passing on genes.
> Intended
By who? Our lord and saviour jesus? You, from the heights of your biological ignorance, shares that feeling (I can't really call you any other way than feeling) that life has a purpose, a higher objective of perpetuating itself, and if it doesn't, it failed.
Life has no purpose. Those are not biological concepts. Forms of lives have the capacity to self replicate, and the ones that have outlived the evolution pressures of the environment are the ones that inhabit the planet. still there's no purpose attached to it, no higher sense of duty and fulfilment. You're analyzing a phenomenal with the sentimental perspective of a human who ought to see sense, order and purpose in the chaos of nature. A barbaric mistake. You are judging a form of life that won't pass the filter of time less worthy than the ones who will. Let me remind you that the prokaryotic bacterias that inhabit this planet have lasted the same amount of time than your ancestors combined, and have survived analogue evolutionary and selective pressures. Though less complex than you, biologically you both are on par.
Your immature perspective, born from religion certainly, leads you to the conclusion that any sort of lifestyles that either impedes or diminishes one's perspective of procreation could be considered a mental "illness", from homosexuality to voluntary celibacy or even voluntary infertility, including every person on Earth using contraceptive methods right now.

>>35667890
Around 1968 with the New Left and other such student movements.

>dude what if we abandoned class struggle and tried to do a revolution with radical gays and blacks instead lmao

predictably, this failed.

>>35670805
>>35670556
>>35670174

>this one gay neckbeard sperging out

>>35668143
Progressivism is the belief there are objectively factual science based truths. Conservatism is based on feels just as much as the SJWs are

>>35670695
> Fails to differentiate hypothesis from theory
> I'm the illiterate
I sure have. Your explanation of how I proved it is utterly convincing.

>>35670887
Go get your tendies now, that's enough internet for today anon

>>35670917
And to think that, on a not so distant past, someone accused me of "diverting and dismissing the central point of what I'm saying".
I don't like tendies. I'd much rather go look for a dick to suck on grindr and swallow a big load of cum. I'm safe, my truvada is up to date.

>>35670996
>I'd much rather go look for a dick to suck on grindr and swallow a big load of cum

sad

>>35671013
Being a virgin loner is sadder. Trust me. I was one too, once. I can tell.

>>35671132
I hope you can enter a healthy relationship with a woman someday anon. I have and my life is better than ever

>>35670830
>>35670917
not him but you've been destroyed and cannot offer anything as a rebuttal, this was hilarious.

ITT: people who have no idea what they're talking about because they've never opened a book about communism and get their ideas about it from americuckilitics

and yeah I don't say this to defend communism so go back watching fox news / CNN

>>35671160
not him but who actually wants to read some gay fag throwing an autistic fit on an image forum? Not me kek

>>35671160
You really are a dumb fucking faggot aren't you

>>35667890
it was originally cuck shit then it failed so they tried family values and it worked a little better but people still starved to death and now its cuck shit since communism doesnt really exist anymore

>>35671159
I've been in a very healthy relationship with a wonderful man and it made me happier than I had never been. Unfortunately destiny separated our ways, he was a foreigner and was forced to return to his home country.
So I'm in the long wait of disappointed lovers, anon. But I could love a woman as much as you could love a man. I do hooe that one day you discover the pleasures of the male love. Nothing will fulfill you more

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>>35667890
Communism was always shit.

>>35671230
he brought up good points and debated them well, so me, I guess

>>35671240
no u are

>>35671423
>he brought up good points and debated them well

how's middle school?

>>35671523
don't have a middle school where I live, sorry pal.

>>35671523
Says the one who said "gays are wrong because aids and no children"

I have no idea. DESU it's the only form of communism that actually acheived anything noteworthy. Most examples of communism's success is atributed to based Stalinism in one way or another.

>>35671597
You know you have to attend school until age 18 right? Where are your parents?

>>35671684
>anyone who disagrees with me must be one guy

aaaaaaand hello schizophrenia

>>35671686
that's incorrect, you seem to be saying a lot of incorrect things.

And one of them is downstairs.

>>35671776
Well I hope they are homeschooling you effectively. Anyway you're lucky i didn't report you. Middle schoolers shouldn't be on 4chan.

>>35667890
>values

>>35667890

the jews ruined communism like they ruin everything else

>>35672026
>lgbt jew

>>35667933

What do you mean by "work"?

If you mean have it so most people aren't living shitty lives, then capitalism doesn't work either.

It just hides the have-nots in poor neighborhoods and foreign countries.

>>35667890
>family values
If reporting your mother to the secret police for having two day's bread rations when she's sick in bed and having her sent to the gulag is family values, then I may be mistaken on what those are.

Stalinist Russia destroyed the family unit twice as efficiently as the most concentrated Jew propaganda could.

>>35669182
Gays are actually beneficial for small tribal communities, as so a popular theory goes.

They would adopt rejected children or orphans. Family units are generally unwilling to do so because they can make their own.

>>35669366
Did you originally read it, faggot?

>>35673193
Didn't stalinist Russia have a tax on families with less than 2 children? Sounds pretty pro- family to me.