>realize gfs are a spook >">tfw no gf" is

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>>35563142
do I start with the greeks or stirner?

>>35563164
you start with schopenhauer

>>35563176
why schopenhauer?

>>35563142
I like to meme about stirner, but in reality these "spooks" are still important because of the importance people give them. We have a vast network in place to enforce all these spooks remain important and relevant.

>>35563233
Absolutely. Memes are still funny though. Same with ancap.

>>35563176
Lad you end with schopenhauer

Didn't his lectures have a high mortality rate?

>>35563233
Spook really isn't meant to imply anything more than that something is 'artificial'. Doesn't mean it's good, bad, useful, useless, etc, only that it arises purely from humanity in a subjective manner.

>>35563284
So it's what in some circles is called "social construct", right?

Stirnerposting is a spook

>>35563142
>>35563233
t. people who don't know shit about stirner
The stirnerit recognizes the reality of the system but is also aware that the platonic idealism behind such concepts are nonexistent, therefore spooks. The stirnerite rids himself of these ideas and sees reality as it is.

>>35563284
Well then that's not really much of an insight is it? We all realise this in our early teens, it's why you have kids talking about how everything is a construct. Perhaps Stirner helped get this into the public zeitgeist though, I don't know what kids were like 2+ centuries ago.

What the hell are you faggots on about?

>>35563299
I depends on what is meant by social construct. I would venture to say that all social constructs are spooks, but not all spooks are social constructs.

>>35563323
You'd be surprised, people act as if subjective things are objective all the time. It's something that seems obvious only in retrospect.

>>35563307
t. spook

>>35563323
Kids were too busy working then.

>>35563307
And how does that change your everyday behavior?

>>35563323
Stirner goes a little further than that though as he states that the indiviual (or as he would term it "the egoist") ought to rid themselves of all the notions of any of these structures, including ones own idealism, being valid in order to self actualize.

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>spook'd

>>35563370
"Private property is a spook, it's not your 'property', it's just some grass I can naturally walk on".

>>35563164
SWTG
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>>35563377
I interpreted it more as staying cognizant of the spooks, and recognizing only those that further your personal goals.

>>35563370
It does in many ways. The stirnerite understands that these spooks are very alive in the heads of other people, and therefore a tool to be used. Additionally, since all idealism is declared a spook, nothing is holy anymore.

Damn man, you've got wheels in your head!

>>35563425
Essentially. But the stirnerite is fully aware of the fact, that these spooks are no more valid than any others. They are just a tool to him.

>>35563454
It seems you are describing a voluntary sociopath.

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Just because they're a spook it doesn't mean you need to stop giving a fuck about them. Stirner has a pretty simple message in his philosophy. Just don't hold those sorta things higher than yourself. Don't live for your ideology/religion/gf/etc. Just live for yourself.

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>>35563465
Sociopathy is a spook.

>>35563465
To some extend, maybe, but you assume that the stirnerites goals necessarily malevolent. Stirner notes that, since he himself feels empathy, and therefore has an interest in making others feel good, as it provides himself joy. The idea however, that socipoathy would be wrong at all is a spook in itself. This is where Stirner and Rand would diverge for example. If the egoist were utterly psychopathic and would desire to do evil, why shouldn't he? What would be the benefit of not doing so, to the egoist?

>>35563475
Well that's something I can get behind. I think most robots could benefit from putting themselves first.

>>35563475
And what's the point? Just the selfish hedonistic life? We have those spooks for a reason, you know.

even in animalistic non-spook terms most modern concepts still have quantifiable value even if it's impossible for people to measure
like hypothetically you could imagine a life of spooks and a life without spooks and compare the brain activity to indicate which life was spent most happy, comfortable, not in pain etc...
plus it just makes sense a gf provides financial solidarity and comfort as well as enhanced reputation those are both real things with real influence on your life
reputation and culture is a spook but it still directly influences how you navigate your life and interact with people which has a measurable effect on your health and happiness
it's easy to say from your arm chair that everything is a spook but it's simply not true
the things you're talking about are just abstractions of real quantifiable things that are just too complex to describe all at once

>>35563543
They are spooks, they aren't real. Why would you want to live for something not real?
You are what Stirner called an involuntary egoist. You live for what pleases your ego, just as anyone else. But what pleases your ego is a lie, a spook, your grand idea of humanity isn't a valid concept, the collective isn't a valid concept, it is only something thought of, so you're living a lie. And living a lie will never be as pleasing for your ego as pusuing just that and only that, pleasing the ego.

>>35563142
>">tfw no gf" is a spook
Nope, since it even has physiological consequences.

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>>35563543
Those reasons are spooks in of themselves, anon.

>>35563547
Value is a spook as well.

Tautologies are not an argument.

>>35563603
>But what pleases your ego is a lie
Why should I care as long as it pleases me?

>>35563251
Pretty sure that was some lad in Alexandria. Hegesias or something?

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>>35563543

Well I personally wouldn't go for a selfish hedonistic life. You can still live a virtuous life as long as you aren't doing it for a cause like god. I mean I like to help people because it makes me feel good. Is it selfish? I suppose so, because I'm doing it to make myself feel good. But myself and the person that I help both benefit from the end of it anyway so there's no real problem.

honestly, even if Stirner comes off as a rambling asshole at times I think he's alright. I still find it pretty funny he'd often make Karl Marx fly into autistic fits of rage from his writing though.

>>35563628
If you truly care about pleasing the ego, pleasing the ego will be top of your priority, all else is a distraction. As I already wrote, living a lie will never be as pleasing to your ego as pusuing just that and only that, pleasing the ego, would be.

>>35563647
virtue is a spook
Helping others for the egoistic cause of your empathy isn't. I assume that is what you meant but just in case, being virtuous for the sake of ebing virtuous is just as nonsensical as living for any other spook is.

>>35563647
Did marx actually refute anything stirner wrote? I hear it resembles an autistic mockery more than a proper debunking of the ideas.

>>35563307

And yet Lacan and Zizek say that the spooks are more real than reality itself, and that there is, in effect, no meaningful reality behind them.

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>tfw you realize that spooks are a spook and the ego is a spook

>>35563142
What is the story behing the sudden leak of /lit/ into /r9k/ and the opposite? I don't care what you retards do in your own board but please stop contaminating /lit/ as it is shitty enough already

>>35563725
They're post modernist plato worshippers (also filthy commies). What do you expect?

>>35563705

Just 400+ pages of a whole 'lot of nothing really.

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>>35563729
its not r9k its pol
and i guess because of this pic

>>35563773

That wouldn't really make any sense. If those guys wanted /lit/ to be fiercely communistic then they wouldn't be shitposting stirner memes.

>>35563729
Stirner has been discussed on here for ages.

>>35563788
False. I was here when he only started being mentioned and it was like 6-8 months ago.

>>35563738

Well, the idea is that there is no reality underneath all the spooks.
You're trying to throw away the blankets supposedly covering truth, but when you reach the last blanket you'll find nothing there.
That means that you and your words don't exist without the spooks giving them meaning and form.
There is nothing to uncover.
"Reality" itself is the biggest spook, and yet it is the ultimate goal of those supposedly trying to reject all spooks.

>>35563799
That's quite a long time, innit? And philosophy as a whole has been a topic for discussion on here long since forever.

>>35563773
As opposed to stormfront doing the same thing for years and actually succeeding?

>>35563809
t. platocuck

Words don't have meaning, reality doesn't have meaning. It just is. And reality is in no way the ultimate goal of the egoist.

>>35563164
Start with the beginning.

>>35563838

> It just is

And pray, how do you prove that?
Not through "pure reason", surely?

> And reality is in no way the ultimate goal of the egoist.

Well, the egoist would, upon realising "base reality", really only have a binary choice: cease all activity and die (since any other option would require some sort of motivation, and motivation itself is the product of spooks), or create his own spooks to keep himself occupied/entertained, in which case he's just a closet Nietzschean.

>>35563616
D.A.K soon you little roaches

>>35563860
It's like telling to start learning programming from understanding hiw semi-conductors work.

CIA is spook lol

>>35563881
You realize that not every ontologist subscribes to platonic idealism, right? I'm not really interested or equipped to debate this type of fundamental stuff with you, but rest assured, the arguments are out there.

Well that is egoism in a nutshell. The sole engame of the ego, is the ego itself. This is where Stirner and Nietzsche converge almost to a t.

>>35563911
Planes are a spook survivors are a spook friends are a spook

>>35563164
Just read the Sequences.

>>35563838
>words don't have meaning
Just addressing this single thing. Meanings are our recognition of things, of course they exist. Saying reality just is doesn't detract from this fact.

>>35563976
sure, they don't have methaphysical meaning however (in the platonic sense). they don't have meaning outside of human use.

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>>35563911
>>35563945
4u is a spook

>>35564003
The way I am thinking about it is like this. If you throw something in a pool of water it doesn't become water of course, but you could say that meanings are the same as how the object thrown in the water affects it. Just shapes. Does the shape not exist? It exists. However it's not the same thing as the object itself.

So let's think of a real pool. You throw an object in it, can you really not say that the way the water is affected is a meaning itself, outside of human use?

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Well, then you truly are a platocuck.

>>35564109
was very originally directed at>>35564394

>yfw stirner is just a character engels made up
>even stirner himself is a spook

typing is a spook talking is a spook communication is a spook

>>35564453
kek
>tfw engels wrote the ego just to fuck with marx
>tfw he's the biggest prankster in history
>tfw ayn rand was just a character chomsky made up

>>35563388
t. guy shot to death for trespassing

>>35564480
Shitposting is a panda

ITT : fags who read the Wikipedia article about Stirner and Schopenhauer and think they know shit

>>35564873
LEL IT'S A SPOOK NOTHING MATTERS

>these are the people that would call Nietzsche a nihilist and take the God is Dead quote literally

>>35564903
opinion is yet another spook

>>35564903
literally no one takes the "god is dead" quote literally
this whole nihilist vs existentialist vs absurdist vs whatever the hell else you wanna come up is just intellectual masturbation
t. someone who read Nietzsche

>>35565055

>literally no one takes the "god is dead" quote literally
Objectively false.

>this whole nihilist vs existentialist vs absurdist vs whatever the hell else you wanna come up is just intellectual masturbation
t. someone who read Nietzsche


Good for you, I've only read zu sprach Zarathrustra.