is a short lower third a death sentence? i have good development

It hardly matters you fucking spastic, fuck off and find some real problems to care about.

>>35510175
Lower third is almost as important as eye area. It's a death sentence, but lower third is also the easiest to correct with surgery.

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>>35510204
Lower third doesn't matter. If this guy just got a haircut and lost some weight he'd be slaying in no time. :^)

>>35510233
fuck my shit up, i have a fucking 2 inch ramus and my lower third is still chit.

>>35510204
it does if you want to get laid you idiot

>>35510175
I can't believe that literally every robot here could be swimming in pussy if our facial structure was just slightly different. He looks so much better on the right and it wasn't even that big of a change.

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Should I go for it? I got the approval recently for the chad surgery

>>35510340
literally millimeters of bone can make you or break you.

>>35510295
No it doesn't, unless you look like quasimodo or fetal alcohol syndrome it will not stop you from getting laid. Stop being a faggot worrying about relatively minor facial imperfections. No you will never be the best looking guy, you can still get laid while not being particularly good looking contrary to the memes.

>>35510349
I'd kill to get a lefort. Do it man. Good luck.

jay baruchel is hot.

grow a beard if you're afraid of your chin or something.

>>35510421
Thanks. I'm just worried about the whole jaw wired shut thing. I can barely breathe through my nose.

>>35510368
The picture in the OP is a perfect example of how personality is a meme and all that matters is face/height/frame. Every woman would pick the one on the right even though everything else other than face structure is the same.

>>35510340
>>35510349
Did you seriously just fall for this meme or... The guy in the OP has good eye area and doesn't look bad in the first photo at all. The rest of his face is also good. I doubt the lower third is the biggest problem on your faces

>>35510369
not true at all. You need to be tall and or at least a 6/10+ facially if you want to pull a girl who isn't fat or extremely ugly.

>>35510259
This man is an exception and essentially doesn't have a lower third due to obvious developmental issues. Guarantee most of you are nothing like this.

>>35510175
>Strong Jaw
>Strong Chin
>Okayish cheekbones

Problem is, my face is kind of asymmetrical. My right jaw is at more of an angle, my chin is SLIGHTLY longer on the right, my right zygomatic bone is much less prominent, albeit still there. So the right side of my face is more flat where as the left side is a little more defined.

Is it ogre? can I survive

>>35510488
No you don't, a plain man is 5'10 and 5/10 and he can get with women who aren't fat or extremely ugly. Get out of your head m8.

>>35510340
saw a reddit AMA (yes, I know reddit) of a guy who got some really invasive face changing surgery. And he said that the way he was treated simply because he had millimeters changed in his face structure was essentially disheartening.

>>35510488
no you don't, a plain man is 5'10 and 5/10 and he can get with women who aren't fat or extremely ugly (few women are extremely ugly). get out of your head m8.

>>35510554
if you have a high FHWR it shouldn't matter, you can always get tattoos/roids and run brute game

>>35510580
>>35510603
Why did it decapitalise my sentences, the fuck m8

>>35510604
I'm not terribly masculine. Pretty skinny (all though I could work out), and I'm 6'2" and white

My facial asymmetry is kind of like Rick Owens

What is a high FHWR, what's "ideal"

>>35510589
How safe are those surgeries? I get nervous when it's involving the face.

>>35510656
Lol

the guy described it as such: if he sneezed, he would tear his stitches and choke on blood or something.

And he was like that for WEEKS.

So, yeah.

But he literally went from subhuman to above average

>>35510580
>>35510603
well i've never seen it. I go to the most populate uni in my country and i never see average height/face guys with girls that aren't either

1. asian
2.fat
3.severe acne
4.severe horseface

>>35510691
link the ama please?

>>35510656
>>35510709

Found it

http://imgur.com/0Mj4e9r

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5sbzi0/1_year_ago_i_had_bimax_jaw_surgery_ama/

He didn't turn into a model or anything, but way better

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>>35510633
you're tall, be thankful for that

high fhwr is like this, short midface

>>35510693
That's cool, I see plenty of normal lads walking around with average looking girls.

>>35510691
That's horrifying but really seems worth it too. Thanks for posting the link.

>>35510175
>>35510233
>>35510259
>>35510266
>>35510295
>>35510340
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>>35510445
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>>35510746
You have a child's understanding of what is attractive to people.

Please stop making profound statements about people and how they operate when you view human interaction through a telescope.

Seacrest out.

>>35510266
Same here famanioli. My ramus does an aesthetic L shape but my chin looks weak from profile.

>>35510786
those normal lads are probably good looking, what do u consider average looking?

and what do you consider an average girl?

>>35510746
Ehh, I guess I'm like that

My biggest flaws (besides my asymmetries) is my weird big eyes (which I could fix) and my big nose

>>35510799
Shut the fuck up faggot. These are objective markers of attractiveness.

>>35510799
This. Lookism fags need to leave this board alone.

>>35510837
>These are objective markers of attractiveness.

They are not you're just autistic and have no real world experience.

>>35510823
just permanently squint if you have bad orbitals

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>>35510837
Pic related, Prince. The pinnacle of masculinity

>>35510807
I consider average looking as generally not being noticeably ugly or particularly good , i.e. 5/10

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>>35510900
LOOKS ARE SUBJECTIVE BRO JUST B URSELF XDDDDDDDDD

>>35510901
when it's really bright, I squint and I look WAY more masculine. In the mirror it looks amazing. In pictures...not so much.

wat doobily do

>>35510799
They bring up good points. You have to admit that the traits that they describe are attractive.

I'm not really an artist, but, just like I can tell how food tastes good without being a chef, I can tell what features make somebody attractive.

And you have to admit that attractiveness at least 50% facial structure

>>35510900
So you will ignore all scientific studies regarding attractiveness and sexual dimorphism? In the real world, all types of men get girlfriends. But how many women actually desire their man at a visceral level?

>>35510929
>only male models attract people
how fucking autistic are you? go outside faggot

>>35510921
give me a celebrity

>>35510737
>deformed freak gets a surgery to make himself look halfway normal
>suddenly people are attracted to him
no shit
btw that's not even close to what the image in OP is implying

>>35510929
What is this supposed to communicate? Do you know?

Yes, angular facial features tends to be an attractive selling point

The importance of that is grossly outweighed by virtually everything else

>>35510175
Looks human in left and Brazilian in right.

>>35510988
obviously you don't need to a male model you faggot, but girls do have high standards nowadays so you need to be pretty high appeal physically. That means either tall or 6+/10 facially if you want a not ugly/fat girlfriend,

>>35511035
Don't argue with these faggots. They'll never swallow the LOOKS pill, perhaps the hardest to swallow.

>>35510507
i am but i wont post pictures for obvious reasons

>>>/lookism/
>>>/sluthate/

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>>35511078
>only 6'1 and 5/10 face
>have attracted several mates

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>>35510950
>And you have to admit that attractiveness at least 50% facial structure
I'm saying people don't give a fuck

If you're so boring that you actually care about this then you're as vapid as any normie you could possibly make fun of and you have no right to complain about the position you're in.

Human attraction is monumentally intangible.

>>35511021
This. All the anons saying he looks better shooped have got to be trolling.

>>35511101
>only 6'1
>only
You're not helping your case here, boyo.

>>35511135
>implying 6'1 is tall
6'2 is the cut off for manlet

>>35511078
I'll accept your truth bomb when you make some kind of compelling argument.

>>35511101
>>35511101
6'1 is tall enough you idiot

>>35511153
Do a tinder experiment with an attractive man, then do one with your real pictures. Come back with results and tell me looks don't matter. Until then, shut the fuck up.
>tinder is not the real world
Ok boyo.

>posting extremes from both sides

Too much autism ITT. Caring about those little details will lower your confidence even more (if that's even possible). And as they say, confidence is important. Do whatever you want though.

>>35511212
how the fuck is that an extreme from both sides, it's literally a few millimetres of forward projection

>>35510990
I don't know much about celebrities. I guess most guys looks could be placed in the range of frankie muniz except taller. Can't think of an average looking girl because most memorable women celebrities are either attractive or fat/old.

>>35511149
Oh god. Please get off /r9k/ it's actually sad watching autists with no confidence losing even that little bit of confidence they had. Do you also think 6" is short? Lol

>>35511153
the price of pussy is very high, men date 2-3 points down on average

>>35511276
>it's actually sad
so you can't handle being sad and you com here?

>>35511243
Not talking about the OP but this thread. And the guy on the left doesn't look bad.

>>35511201
Tinder is a hookup service. The only thing you see is a picture of their face because that's all people looking to fuck are there for.

Even then I'm pretty sure the girls I know would gloss over generic chads and go for the people that look like they have some kind of redeeming qualities or life in their eyes.

>>35511264
frankie muniz is above average looking, average looking would be shia labeouf or john cusack

>>35511320
>Even then I'm pretty sure the girls I know would gloss over generic chads and go for the people that look like they have some kind of redeeming qualities or life in their eyes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're either a woman or a numale that thinks what girls say is what they actually mean or believe.

>>35511320
Girls are just as upfront about wanting to fuck attractive chads in real life as well

>>35511320
If you actually think women care about "redeeming qualities" on a hook up app, which is a fairly accurate representation of how events play out in bars, clubs, parties, and out in public, I don't know what to tell you.

Whatever though, stay miserable and take le looks pill xD

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>>35511320
most young university aged white girls in the west use or have used tinder, they have instant access to the top echelon of males regardless of their own shitty face provided they aren't too fat. Why would they settle for their ewww yucky gross looksmatched average guy?

>>35511404
I know it's tough to swallow the pill, but do it.

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>>35511123
Human interaction is founded upon shallow, universal instincts that have been reaffirmed through thousands of years of evolution. It is not nearly as intangible as you think it is.

Looks matter a LOT. They dictate how much female attention males get, as well as how well others treat generally treat them. Nobody is "vapid" for realizing this truth.

Lookism dot net. Go browse that forum for a good twenty minutes or read the sticky. Maybe then you'll begin to understand.

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>>35511416
This clearly comes from experience interacting with women and not the convenient delusions of an insecure neckbeard that has done nothing but view the world through a computer monitor for years

>>35511433
I agree that looks matter though, don't get me wrong. Just not this type of "looks" and details you lookism faggots are talking about. 10/10 and 9/10 are very rare.

>>35511464
Read the posts again buddy. This plays out in real life too. I know it hurts to realize you've been lied to, and that looks are imperative, but you'll get through it.

If these were twins the right would always be favored over the left. The same if the left was 6'1 and the right was 6'2.

And while im at it if left was 7 inches and right was 8 even though they are both above average the right would always be preferred.

>>35511464
if women wanted to interact with me they would do just that, interact with me. I've been going to the same university for nearly 2 years and no female has asked me out

>>35511464
You're fighting against a universal truth right now anon. You can't win. Go ahead and lie to yourself all you want but you will never be right. Attacking the place that we are discussing and observing this too is just a way for you to move the argument away from the facts because you have none.

>>35511464
Or maybe we've seen it happen in real life?

Seriously, take a good look at the male friends in your life. Look to see who's taller, more masculine, and generally better looking. Now, tell me there isn't a correlation with being gifted in those areas and receiving more female attention.

>But my 5'6 Asian friend gets laid all the time!
>I know a 6'2 male model who still struggles with women!

There can be exceptions to a rule, but that doesn't mean it's still not a rule.

>>35511544
>I know a 6'2 male model who still struggles with women!

only possible if he actively avoids women, snubs them

>>35511443
"What is love" is one of the oldest and most debated questions in the history of people.

There's a famous play where 2 kids fall in love and result in the death of 10 people over the course of 3 days that's basically a monument to this. You may have heard of it, it's called Romeo and Juliet.

>Looks matter a LOT
1. Not really

2. Having freckles or enormous elephant ears is more attractive to women then a Brad Pitt jaw would ever be.

Women are so emotionally intangible that trying to figure out what they like may as well be random. They pride themselves for being as intangible as possible and they'd laugh in your face if you said what you're saying.

You know nothing.

>>35511544
Not really a rule if there's exceptions.
More like a general guideline.

>>35511575
>... is more attractive to women than a Brad Pitt jaw would ever be
Kek, now I know you're trolling or incredibly delusional. Holy shit. Poor anonkun

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>>35511575
>Not really
>Having freckles or enormous elephant ears is more attractive to women then a Brad Pitt jaw would ever be.

You're either a complete and utter moron, or an elaborate troll.

If you're the former, have fun in bluepilled land, where you keep getting cucked and manipulated. Hope you come to your senses one day.

If you're the latter, please stop. The looks pill is controversial as it is, no need to have trolls like you reaffirming bluepilled idiots who can MAYBE be saved one day.

>>35511518
Because you're boring? You have a 3rd grader's appreciation of human relationships and you think the reason people date eachother is because they think they're pretty

>>35511544
Yep, I've taken a look and it's completely untrue.

The closest thing to a chad friend I have is a tall ripped dancer that gets female attention because he's actually nice interesting. And he's been dating the same chubby girl for 8 years

Meanwhile this lanky ass ginger is constantly bringing different girls home and fucking them obnoxiously loudly, I know because I live with him

>>35511575
as someone with elephant ears

you're wrong

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>>35511663
>you think the reason people date eachother is because they think they're pretty


looks are literally the foundation of a relationship, sure personality etc can matter but only if you meet her likely very high looks prerequisite.

>>35511663
>nice
>interesting
Memes. Personality is a meme. Looks are all that matter and they wouldn't describe him that way if he wasn't attractive.

>>35511575
>>Looks matter a LOT
>1. Not really
>2. Having freckles or enormous elephant ears is more attractive to women then a Brad Pitt jaw would ever be.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

boiii

>>35511659
/r9k/ does this too though.

The girls that /r9k/ idolises like the image of the girl sitting on the couch or the forest Philipino is 3% conventional attractiveness and the rest of it is emotional intangibilities so lofty and minute it may as well be random.

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>>35511663
>you think the reason people date eachother is because they think they're pretty
There's more to sexual attraction than just dating...you know, hookups? Fuckbuddies? Those are much more beneficial, in multiple ways.

> that gets female attention because he's actually nice interesting
Oh, right. I'm sure he'd be getting all that attention if he was short and out of shape...JFL

>he's been dating the same chubby girl for 8 years
His choice entirely. That is a separate conversation.

>Meanwhile this lanky ass ginger is constantly bringing different girls home and fucking them obnoxiously loudly, I know because I live with him
You're either underrating his looks, or the looks of the women he brings home.

You're a textbook coper/bluepileld troll.

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>>35511659
everyone deep down knows looks are everything, all sub 8 males are delusional copecells who are clinging on straws.

As long as the heart beats, it copes

>>35511149
I'm 6'3 245 lbs and I still feel small

>>35511751
1. Holy confirmation bias, batman!
2. Male attraction differs from female attraction
3. Using /r9k/ as a sample for the general male population? Seriously?

it's not just about females, it's also about being respected by your male peers. Men with high FHWR get talked down to/patronized less while men with longer midfaces often get called 'buddy/mate etc

>>35511823
My friends and family say I have a "small face" but that it's not a bad thing

am I it brev

>>35511765
I can't reply to all of you.

>You're either underrating his looks, or the looks of the women he brings home.
That's unfalsifiable.

He's a lanky ass ginger skeleton believe me.

>2. Male attraction differs from female attraction
>3. Using /r9k/ as a sample for the general male population? Seriously?
Ok so not everyone is like this but it's not the average populace, according to you

What percentage of women are like this?

There's this very popular website called tumblr where girls view normal human interaction through a telescope and project their sexual insecurities onto everything. You guys might like them.

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>>35511949
>That's unfalsifiable. He's a lanky ass ginger skeleton believe me.
Please post a picture of him here, then I'll believe you. Body can be forgiven if the face is good enough, and if that dude is a 7+ it falls perfectly in line with looks theory for him to be bedding 4-6s if he's outgoing and approaches a lot.

>What percentage of women are like this?
All sexually mature women show the same patterns of sexual attraction. There are obviously going to be exceptions, most notably lesbianism, but there are evolutionary purposes for women to act the way they do.

>There's this very popular website called tumblr where girls view normal human interaction through a telescope and project their sexual insecurities onto everything. You guys might like them
Lookism has nothing to do with sexual insecurities, but everything to do with accepting the truth. I've met redpilled people online who are GLing and get laid regularly, but still agree with looks theory because they're smart and lucky enough to have figured it out.

If you stop viewing these theories from such a condescending perspective and try to accept the fact that people are a hell of a lot shallower than they pretend to be, then these cult-like communities reveal themselves to be a lot less ridiculous than they initially come off as.

If you aren't a troll and actually want take a serious look at these theories, I can gladly show you where to start. I used to have responses similar to yours when confronted with these ideas, but I've matured and learned to see the truth in them.