>you will never feel the solitude of trench warfare >you

>>35493607
My Granddad was conscripted into the Australian army.

>tfw i will never be conscripted to fight jungle gooks and live to tell the tale

>>35493607
There's dozens of paramilitary and mercenary groups fighting terrorist cells all over the world.

>>35493826
>tfw I will never live off a pension and get a free pass to do whatever because flashbacks
>tfw I will never get to tell tales of what I saw and did in Vietnam
>tfw Robert Menzies will never pull my birthday and tell me to be brave

>>35493826
Yeah, big whoop. Kill a couple of muslims. I want invasions and fight a war that really means something, not just >muh world peace

>>35494053
>a war that really means something
>Vietnam
Top fucking kek, retard.

>/comfy/
>ww1
>vietnam
>a war that really means something

How old are you OP? I'm guessing no older than 15, your history knowledge is definitely sub-high school level

>>you will never feel the solitude of trench warfare

u wot

In trench warfare you were stuck in very close confines with your unit for months at a time, it was the absolute opposite of "solitude", OP's not very bright

OP have you ever taken a history class?

>war
>comfy
I assume you're a middle class american because only a fat fuck like an american calls wars "comfy". War is hell. You're just a LARPing faggot who has never faced any hardships beyond
>tfw no gf

>>35494187
>faggot who has never faced any hardships
How do you suggest we turn into men in this gay world?

>>35494218
The fact that you think the answer to that question is the "exhilaration" of war sums it up well

You know you can just go and join the military now OP? The fight against ISIS is genuinely more morally sound than any war waged by western countries in decades

>>35493607
You are a complete autist if you think war would be remotely comfy, especially the ones you mentioned. And in trench warfare you were literally packed with a bunch of other soldiers, hardly any solitude at all.

>>35493607
>trench warfare
>comfy
read a history book u faggot

>Will war ever be /comfy/ again?
No post has sufficiently described the disconnect r9k has with reality up until this point.

>>35494247
>The fight against ISIS is genuinely more morally sound than any war waged by western countries in decades

This

The moral justification in that war are some of the most clearly defined of any conflict in a century.

>>35494247
>The fact that you think the answer to that question is the "exhilaration" of war sums it up well
That's not an answer to my question.

>>35494247
>The fight against ISIS is genuinely more morally sound than any war waged by western countries in decades
Id be half inclined to actually enlist if we ever took any substantial actions against them. But we're just sorta poking them with drones now and then for the most part.

>>35494319
No, it's not. I don't think you're going to get an answer.

seriously OP, if you're not actually 15 then please work on your posting style and content, you come off as a retarded child when you say such stupid things

>>35494329
There are many militias and groups that are on the ground fighting and readily accept westerners.

>>35494053
>Menzies
Lmao you dumb fucking cuck

>>35494354
I'm willing to join the U.S. military, not the Kurds who are held together with duct tape and angry thoughts.

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>>35493607
why do you want to get fucked up by artillery, have your qt gf cuck you back home and get buried in an unmarked grave in fucking nowhere?

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>>35493607
I wouldn't want to be in a war but man...
>Be Boris
>1945
>Cruise the Prussian countryside in your IS-2 heavy tank.
>See a couple of kraut kids running at you with panzerfausten
>Load DShK heavy machinegun
>Cut them in half with 12,7mm bullets
>Drink vodka

Oh boy, I dream of it sometimes.

>>35494341
You're not replying to OP.

>>35494384
Because war is an adventure: guess why so many young men still today join the military, and even back then? There's something about it that makes you a man in the eyes of society. You might not think that now, but it has been the case for thousands of years, and will still remain in the collective mind: a young, brave man who goes to war is a man who is worthy of praise, and even if he dies, he died for a cause.

>>35493607
I don't know. I find shitting myself in a mortar strike would be comfy enough.

>tfw Ill never be paid to kill niggers
I merely wished to be born in Rhodesia

>>35494486
>a young, brave man who goes to war is a man who is worthy of praise, and even if he dies, he died for a cause
>Vietnam
>Iraq
Ayy LMAO.

>ywn fight sand people alongside US troops
https://youtu.be/whFJGCyeRzI
Arma 2 OA Takistan domination servers are pretty comfy though

>>35494523
I forgot to mention it is only the case in a brave war, fought for a good motive. Who would say, for example, that the men who died on the beaches of Normandy aren't brave?
And even in the case of Vietnam and Iraq, it was none of the doing of these soldiers, but the politicians who decided to go to war. They are not at fault, and those who died are at least remembered in a way a normal person wouldn't.

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>>35494410
>die mere months later because generals want your tank to charge down a street into AT weapons
>can't even be smart about it since everyone is too busy wanting to rape the locals for revenge

I know far too much about how the Red Army operates to ever think about being in their shoes.

>>35493607
Then, which war do you want to participate in, and on which side?

>>35494614
Agree that being in the Red Army would have been kinda shitty (especialy since you only get about 1400 calories a day...), but you get up to 400mg of Vodka each day, and at least in an IS-2, as long as you are the TC, you have quite good cahnces of survival, and you don't have much work to do.
But the US army would have been the best choice for sure, as long as you are not in the pacific...

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>>35493607
try to post again after you've read this

>>35493607
The trenches were jam-packed. Men spoke of having no privacy to the point of anxiety.

Go join the FFL

>>35494620
Vietnam in 1965, Battle of la Drang. Shit must have been hot.

>>35494664
Not OP, I've read it too. It's one of the best book I've ever gotten, but I do feel like Juenger doesn't have that bad of a relation with war, when looking at the way he describes things. There sure are ups and downs, but he also describes very positive memories, like the time he spent with that young woman from some old village I can't remember.
I don't think it is a testimony that war shouldn't be made, but that war is very hard mentally, and from reading some of it's other works, he especially says that War should be made, and pushed to the very end.

>>35494247
Warfare is the flowering of manhood.

>>35494523
Soldiers fight for concepts like duty and honor.

>I have a campaign ribbon with 2 battle stars, 5 medals from combat actions including one recommended by a foreign army

>>35494690
Vietnam? Really? It was one of the toughest war ever, especially mentally, as it was truly pointless. Look at the testimonies of those who were there, and you'll see it was no walk in the park.

>>35494559
Yeah I'd love to have been one of those proud Vietnam veterans coming back home to protesters spitting in their face, and being labeled as rapists and baby killers.

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Fucking hell any of you who want to go play soldier on /r9k/ can just go and fucking do it but you're all wrong as fuck about war being any of the following.

>comfy
>adventurous
>makes you a big tough manly man

War is essentially more likely to be some fucked shit as time goes by since the weapons that are most lethal in modern warfare are IED's and suicide bombings since the war on terrorism. In addition to dead kids, witnessing warcrimes and PTSD shit as well as living in the shittiest possible conditions for supporting life on earth 24/7 365 days a year.

So basically you'll probably get your cock blown off and shrapnel in your face so you look like a complete mong and then you come back to find people like OP posting about how "comfy" war is and strangling the fat little fuck because he's a sheltered basement dwelling little pussy.

>>35494724
I guess Vietnam was kind of the exception, I agree. But look at the veterans of WWI and II and you'll see what I mean.

>>35494690

>Shit must have been hot.

What part of it? The fighting? The heroin? Watching acres of jungle burn?

>>35494559
>Who would say, for example, that the men who died on the beaches of Normandy aren't brave?
As a German, I think a lot differently about that particular day. When the Nazis landed on a beach the shelled the defenses into oblivion before the troops even got in the landing boats. Dying a lemming's death is a very special kind of brave, especially if the "cause" is saving the jews.

>>35494696
Yeah, and if all of his stories are to be believed (which I'm sure they were, as there were many in his unit to corroborate his content) he had a merciful attitude as a commanding officer.
He was the kind that tried to leave suicidal charge as a last result, and he tried to avoid killing the disarmed. It's interesting that he went on to so heavily criticize the National Socialists in his own country too

>>35494712
>war for the sake of war
Spoken like a true American grunt. The CEOs of your defense industry are proud of you, son.

>>35494735
Going to war in a foreign country is pretty damn adventurous. Not that that makes it positive of course.

>>35494716
That's why it's so exciting. A lot of kids straight out of highscool had no choice but to go. They had their lives ahaid of them, but were forced to head over and die for reasons they didn't understand. I can't imagine how that would feel.

>>35494753
It as the same for most of D-Day, but war in general is making men brave if they fight or die for a good cause. Of course, what is considered "good" vastly depends on the situation, but for example, in France, we still honor the dead of the first world war, like in the battle of Verdun or Somme.

>>35494757
It was funny to see that later on he participated in the assassination attempt against Hitler: this goes to show that he was not blindly fighting, and participated in WWII truly out of obligation, and even then did his best.
Too bad he died in 1997, If only he lived a few years longer he would have spanned on three centuries...

>>35494788
I think past the initial excitement, you'll regret your choice. There's no glory to find in using napalm against civilians and fighting a bloody and pointless war. You could find that feeling in other wars without laving it scarred like Vietnam veterans.

>>35494788
I get what you mean, but it'd be even harder to imagine being a 15th century pirate in the orient, or taking Jerusalem during the first crusade. There are much cooler historical periods to feel weirdly nostalgic about.

>>35494750
The slight chance that you could survive it. It's terrifying, and you think you're a hero; you have no choice in the matter of life and death, because you were faced with imprisonment if you refused to enlist .

>>35494716
>Communist takeover of Russia = millions dead in death camps
>Communist takeover of China = millions dead in death camps
>Communist takeover of North Korea = millions dead in death camps
>""Wow. Fighting against Communists in Vietnam was totally pointless"
Fuck off

>>35494783
I'm not American.
>"War for the sake of war"
Read what I actually wrote

>>35494866
Are you stupid? The war in Vietnam only caused more death, and failed nevertheless. Of course fighting against a genocidal doctrine is not pointless, but the US failed at it, and in the end those who died on both side died for nothing.
Read between the lines...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs

Was wondering what OP thinks of this (if he's even still ITT)

The way war is portrayed in media and popular recountings of history is very different to the reality.

>>35494839
>in France, we still honor the dead of the first world war
Us Germans don't honor our soldiers at all. For probably obvious reasons as well, but all they really did was execute orders and fight for the soldier next to them.

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>chinamen invade mainland US
>too autistic to be in our invading force
>get to lead resistance cell against chongs
>get gf after war because war makes us chad-like
>probably chinese war concubine
>get to keep chong ears on necklace
>defend America

sign me up when the time comes lads

fuck this would be neat

>>35494907
>war makes us chad-like
War makes you dead-like

>>35494898
True, very true. Most of any war is honestly just walking and waiting. Battle is a only a slim portion of it all.

>>35494905
Not even WWI? I can see why honoring nazis soldiers, especially the SS, would be distasteful for some people, but even those who fought during WWI are ignored? If that's the case, why? Is it out of fear of being seen as "nationalists"?

I used to get frustrated with this.

Now i just feel sad that so many men who had great lives and great futures were forced into fighting and losing everything when useless tards of today would gladly switch places.

I loved everything WW2 as a kid and most of my favourite books were from the time. It was great but i literally programmed myself with propaganda from another time completely unrelated to today.

As soon as I was 17 and a half I put in my joining papers. Got talked out of it to finish school then joined again only to find the eyesight in my left eye was too bad.

I'm 26 now and I feel such a retard that i never really expected or intended to even live this long.


>>35494664
Have you read it? Junger would 110% be posting these threads if he was born today he was war obsessed. He joined the French Foreign Legion because the German Army wouldn't take him early enough. Storm of Steel has been banned in various countries for being too proWar.

Such a shame his other works were never translated to English. It'll be a decade before my Germans good enough.

this thread is so white

it will probably try to shoot up a school instead

fucking white """""""""males""""""""""

>>35494866
>>""Wow. Fighting against Communists in Vietnam was totally pointless"

Only when you lose

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>>35494930
Maybe you, lardass.

I can run a decent mile and can hit a target at 100 yards centermass, long as I don't get fried by CAS I'm good to go.

Don't ruin my dreams

>>35494839
How could they know it was pointless? As far as they were concerned they were following orders. Some very well knew they were working for the greater good.
We can see looking back on history that it was wasted blood, but these kids had something honorable about them that you can't see in current warfare.

>>35494907
Yea this is a meme that dies once your over 24 and realise 90% of the ex soldiers you know are scrawny manlets and usually pretty beta.

Tough dudes and great drinkers but it definitely doesn't make you Chad like Hollywood had us believe.

>>35494964
>I can run a decent mile and can hit a target at 100 yards centermass

Wow so you can do half the standard that's required by the military congrats

>>35493607
>War is now a boring brown desert of dry dirt and sand with houses made from stone.

>>35494945
>Is it out of fear of being seen as "nationalists"?
Wtf do you think?
That's how Germany has been for decades now thanks to the (((allies))). Germans these days are traitor cucks.

>>35494890
The war, itself, was a success. Military objectives were met, the NVA were annihilated as a combat force, the North Vietnamese forces were pushed back.
South Vietnam only fell *after* America pulled out and then stopped supporting and supplying South Vietnam. The war was a success, but politicians fucked up the peace.
Imagine this
>D-day is a smashing success; allied forces tear across Europe pushing the German forces back into Germany and wiping out the SS
>Refuse to bomb German cities, leaving many factories intact
>The allies stop at the border of Germany, tell the Nazis to knock it off, and leave promising the rest of Europe they'll provide tanks, planes, etc.
>US lied - no support given to war-torn, devastated Europe
>3 years later Hitler attacks again and easily overwhelms abandoned Europe
>Idiots like you claim the war was a loss
Politicians gave South Vietnam to the commies so they could look good on US college campuses
>I am not an American, IIDGAF what your professors lie about

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>>35493607
It's not all it's cracked up to be

You spend months of complete bullshit only to end up in a "firefight" that lasts maybe an hour or two at most? And you won't see anyone. Just hear random poping sounds. Then you'll get a C.A.R For no reason and feel like you didn't earn it and be ashamed for having it on your dress blues while other guys you see with it are missing legs n shit

>>35494266
I would argue with that, but it's close

>>35494842
I agree. I find it fascinating that your life can very well be out of your control, and is expendable.

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>>35494984
It's okay anon, I'm sure the food shortage will help you out with that weight problem.
Mom can only hide you so long.

>>35494966
Of course I'm not saying those who fought in Vietnam are monsters, or even had bad intentions, but the fact that the US committed a lot of atrocities taints this war with a certain distaste that might explain the way these veterans were treated, even though on an individual level they couldn't help it all.

>>35494994
I had my suspicion, especially after seeing Angela Merkel treating the german flag with such distaste. I find that truly horrible: those who fought for a country should be honored, no matter the result. Only if they did wrong should they be punished, but those who fought bravely, no matter the side...

>>35495000
So you consider that a war is won because you were the strongest during the peace deal? I think it's more of a problem of semantics then, as I would argue that a war is only won when you are able to impose your ill onto the ennemy, at least partially.
And just so you know, I don't disagree with the US going to Vietnam, but they treated it poorly.

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>>35494898
Here is how my dad described Desert Storm/Desert Shield
>"Find a walk-n closet. Fill the bottom with 4" of sand, put in a sunlamp, crank the furnace up to 99, and lock yourself in for 7 months. Every 2-3 weeks someone randomly shoots through the door. After 7 months you spend 4 days killing hundreds of terrified amateurs. Then you take a shower and act like nothing happened."

>>35495013
Yeah this is pretty much modern combat, most casualties come from IEDs while firefights are pretty much just both sides randomly shooting to suppress each other behind cover until one side runs out of ammo and leaves

>>35494957
>"I only oppose evil when I am certain of victory"
one of the definitions of 'coward'

>>35494945
>even those who fought during WWI are ignored? If that's the case, why?
We associate war with getting completely annihilated, kind of like Japan. For us war or soldier don't serve a greater good, only destruction.

>>35495046
>I don't disagree with the US going to Vietnam, but they treated it poorly.
That's what I just said, too.
The US military and its allies made the NVA and the Viet Cong their bitches, then politicians threw it away.
Classic case of military will and political will being out of alignment

>>35495079
It's true that Germany lost twice, but does that make the soldiers who fought for their country inhumane people?
Germany is kind of unique in that regard: even when us french did wrong, we still honor the soldiers, and only shame the actions of the leaders.
War may not serve a greater good, but there is some pride in fighting for your country, your values or the protection of your home, wouldn't you agree?

The US military would have wiped the floor with the VC's if they so wanted (and you bet your ass they did). The only things stopping that were politicians, the hippies, and weapons like the M16 which were unimaginably shitty. Then we pulled out of Saigon and what remained of the northern forces went right in and made it into the Vietnam it is today.

And I would like to point out that treating people who have seen some shit overseas like shit isn't really the best idea.

>>35495133
As I said we don't associate war with positive things. We're pacifists to the point where were unable to defend ourselves against hordes of criminal refugees.

Shit >>35495219 was meant for >>35495089


This is original you damn bot

>>35495236
So you'd consider that a man who losses his life for his motherland is not a positive?
This is not a judgement of value, but I'd like to get an insight into the german side of view.

>>35495219
>m16
>shitty
explain

>>35495046
I admit I'm glorifying the era. It's when the military industrial complex began its true evolution. It's a precursor to current warfare; technology is at a cusp now that is utterly astounding and equally terrifying as the Vietnam era. A shift is occurring.
War in itself is barbaric, and what happens today can always be paralleled or coupled with a significant event in history. Humanity is always creating history, through war.

>>35495283
>So you'd consider that a man who losses his life for his motherland is not a positive?


Presumably you're an ethical deontologist?

>>35495298
When they first rolled it out it was awful, but the problems were soon fixed (Not before they doubtless cost many lives)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle#Reliability

ITT: angsty ISTPs

>>35495322
I'm not saying this is my point of view, and if you want to know, I can tell you it's not, I'd just like to know what a german thinks of this.

>>35495298
Due to lobbying made by Colt and an an overall lack of ideas, they built a shitty mock-up of a rifle that stole parts of the AR, and the government took it regardless, even though tests proved that the AR was substantially better.
It was extremely unreliable, especially in the Vietnam conditions, because leakages between the receiver and the breech block were not fixed. These problems were later fixed, but still early models proved to be a burden for soldiers, to the point where they preferred the M-14 (which had also an advantage with it's heavier bullet in these ind of conditions.

>>35495298
A meme from their initial introduction. There was some of teething problems with the M16 as with any new rifles.

The main source of the meme was just traditionalists distressed that it was largely made of plastic and very light. They were worried that it would break (and they did) if you buttstroked someone with it or that it was too bizarrely shaped to be efficient while fighting with the bayonet.

Most of all (and this also accounts for the much more justified but still overblown hate for the British SA80 program) most soldiers were not happy in the least to trade out their full calibre battle rifles for 5.56.

Nowadays ofcourse rifles are less seen as melee weapons that you can shoot with but the meme persists.

>>35495298
Just read up on the problems early M16's had. Maybe in an urban environment they wouldn't have been that bad, but Vietnam was hot and humid as fuck and filled with jungle, which did not fare well with M16's at all. Meanwhile you had the AK which was extremely reliable, so reliable that FPSRussia once cooked a full on bacon sundae on the damn thing after firing it, and it STILL worked with bacon bits and shit all over it.

>>35495046
Come back, I love you, dammit. >>35495321

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>>35495516
>FPS Russia.
Try ForgottenWeapons videos instead.

>M16 unreliability
>AK47 never jams!

I love this thread it's like 2008 /k/.

DEAGLE DEAGLE NIGGER NIGGER DEAGLE DEAGLE.

>>35495528
Yea yea, forgot to respond.
I'll admit that technologically there were many progress, and in a way, war became less brutal from that point on.
But I think the biggest technological jump was during WWII, where we saw the inauguration of modern tanks (technically the Centurion and the T-54, but that's kind of a stretch), jet planes, rocketry, modern armament and also more modern doctrines that we still mostly use today.

>>35495587
>>AK47 never jams!
I know you say that as a meme, but that's really an overrated part of the AK: as long as you don't put it in mud, it works fine, but the top cover doesn't stop mud from stopping the breech, so that's kind of a stupid remark.

>>35495587
Try making a bacon sundae with the M16 or some other weapon and see that it still works just fine afterwards.

And I already knew about forgotten weapons. Has some pretty good stuff.

>>35495393
>(and this also accounts for the much more justified but still overblown hate for the British SA80 program)
>but still overblown

Are you English? It was a huge scandal, the government repeatedly lied to the public.

A good video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDCRop6CRwY&t=271s

>>35495621
Not him but even the A2 is still being called a piece of shit because of the A1's issues, despite having almost none of them. Definitely overblown now.

>>35495283
No German has ever died to defend the motherland, we've always been the aggressors. German veterans also never aged well.

>>35495621
I'm from Northern Ireland and I'm aware. Much worse than the M16 was my point.

It was still largely inspired by the hatred for the caliber change was my point. Compared to the SA80 the M16 had a flying start.

>You will never be forcefully conscripted into a major world war
>You will never be useful at any real combat, other than being fodder
>You will never dive on a grenade that lands near your friends. Not out of compassion for your comrades, but because you are just suicidal.

>>35495640
That's a good point. But I feel like WWI doesn't have the taint of WWII when it comes to that. After all, in WWI Germany didn't declare war first and didn't do it for some crazy genocidal doctrine.

>>35494744
>Even mentioning WWI
Get fucked cunt, it was probably the most pointless war ever faught. I know most of you read this in high school but i dont care because it's amazing

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.

>>35495604
WWII is of course another leap in technology, guided by warfare. Radio and radar were the biggest leaps I can see which influenced modern society, regretably excluding the atom bomb.
I suppose what I am trying to convey is: the means in which we execute war has a profound influence on our societal culture. War evolves, and civilians adapt to this military culture. Vietnam is simply my own idea in how we grew as a society.

nobody posted this yet?
https://youtu.be/k4Pd527GN48

>tfw your brother served 2 tours to afghanistan
>tfw your dad is in the airforce and has been to afghanistan, iraq, syria, kuwait, you name it
>tfw you fail the draft of your country and can't have a good conversation with your brother and father because all they talk about is army and deployment feels