Anyone right leaning/conservative when they were young and slowly

I'm the exact opposite. Grew up in a comfortable white suburb, was very left-wing, then I moved to a city full of other blacks and my sympathy for left-wing policies, support of the Democratic Party, and support of welfare evaporated in a matter of months.

>>35455914
Democrats are corporate shills.

>>35455914
Same but when I moved in to a city full of blacks I saw the underfunded schools, the broken homes and the violence that accommodated

Completely changed my view and realized that if their social programs and neighbourhoods had the same funding as my previous ones their communities wouldn't be in such a dire state

>>35455845
There is no society in which a robot can thrive.

Your high ideals don't reach us, my experience with teachers and government employees has taught me that your high ideals don't reach the bottom. It is ultimately up their their discretion whether they are going to help me or not and naturally they don't.

At the same time I am too inept for freedom, I wouldn't survive on my own.

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I don't think I ever held right-wing views. I grew up surrounded by white trash who paradoxically believed that the Republican Party was working in their best interest. In reality, our Republican pals de-funded public education and ignored collapsing infrastructure in favor of lining their own pockets. But they did waste quite a bit of funding on legislation to oppress social boogeymen such as faggots and trannies.

America is so ass-backward that it's not even funny.

My progression through the last 6 years.
liberal-> nothing-> far right-> conservative-> libertarian

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>>35455845
>>35455914
>>35456045

I used to be an extreme-left anarchist just over a decade ago and now I dooooooon't care about politics or social issues at all.


I have never been happier.

It's extremely entertaining to see everyone on the left-right and even moderate spectrums all being totally angry and upset at everyone but themselves, and thinking that they're actually in charge. Americans especially.

>>35456045
Or you could just realise that nigs have lower IQs and thowing money at them will just let them breed more thus lowering your countries IQ making it more of a shit hole

>>35456045
I grew up in those poor communities and while I tend to be fiscally and socially liberal, I'm much more right/libertarian leaning when it comes to things like gun control and general government expansion.

>>35456156
The Democrats largely did the same things though with regards to globalization and lowering wages, along with expanding entitlements to the already wealthy, ie social security.

The US also has some of the highest per capital primary school spending in the world, with very suspect results to show for it.

Sure, the R's want to defund education, but the D's want to funnel most of that money to teacher's unions. There's plenty of blame to go around.

I was a cuckservative, now I'm a fascist.

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>>35455845
I used to hate Assad until rebels killed my dad and drove the rest of my family to Lebanon.

>>35455845
>be 16
>edgy anarchy-capitalist/social darwinist
>be 23
>ecologic collectivist
shrooms lol

>>35456479
I was this then i went ancap

>>35456156
>that picture

Liberals really only care about money, don't they?

>>35456527
I don't think that you quite understand the meaning of the picture

>>35456393
>Or you could just realise that rednecks have lower IQs and thowing money at them will just let them breed more thus lowering your countries IQ making it more of a shit hole

I'm really glad I grew out of my /pol phase

>>35456479

Unironically fascist on r9k

I was a lolbergtarian when I was like 14 (about when I browsed /pol/ for the first time and they wer still mostly Libertarian) now I'm a full fledged eat the rich commie scum

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>>35456527
>>35456559
leftists hate white people
>>35456578
you leftists keep defunding programs designed to help poor white people, but you keep throwing billion at your pet niggers.

It was opposite for me.
>was NDP as a teen
>now socially and fiscally conservative
I do want to increase research funding and decrease military funding, however

>>35455845
>liberal
Nah, I went directly from libertarian to being a commie.
I guess that earlier in my life I was liberal on social matters (I didn't really get the homophobia and the racism going on here in Houston), but apart from that I trusted blindly capitalism.

>>35456559
>my life is being ruined because I'm surrounded by foreigners, gays are trying to indoctrinate children, socialist liberals, if not full blown commies, have taken over the academic system ad are pumping out SJW tards
>my race is becoming a minority in the country my ancestors built

>some old man with a lot of money s ruining my life

Unless that old man is Soros, that isn't true.
Is the rich guy not sharing enough of his money with me?
I couldn't give a fuck.
I'd rather be homeless in a respectable society than live like a king in muticulti ethnic gay tranny feminist Hell.

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>>35456645

>thinking democrat supports are leftists

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>>35456479

>literally a fascist

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>>35456696
this guy gets it
>>35456729
you both have the same goal of getting rid of white people

>>35456729
At least half of them are.

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>>35456750
>he doesn't fall for the white guilt lies that leftists are spreading
>this is somehow bad

>>35456645
>you leftists keep defunding programs designed to help poor white people, but you keep throwing billion at your pet niggers.

this has to be a joke

>>35455845
This means your brain got damaged while you grew up.

>>35455845
I read half of the fountainhead as an edgy teen and considered myself libertarian for awhile. Now I think that the NAP doesn't work because the earth is finite and it's not fair to allow a small group of people "swing their fists" when they're arms can reach across the globe.

I don't really know what I'd consider myself. My utopia would be a essentially communist, with the means of production decentralized enough that each commune is essentially self-sufficient. But I also know that's an unreasonable goal right now, and generally align with Democratic policies.

Trump just kinda broke me desu tho senpai. I paid so much attention to the election, and now I don't know what to do in this new world. Wish I could just jump forward to 2020 and see what happens.

>>35456764
No, I don't want to get rid of white people.

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>>35456805
your dear leader (you get your refund yet?) thinks white people cannot be poor

>>35456804

Identity politics is cancer, both you and the left need to stop.

>>35456867
no, you just follow the orders of your SJW masters who do want to get rid of white people

>>35456869
>tfw bernie supporters are rabid sjws who didn't vote in this election which resulted in le orange meme man becoming president
>start beating up people for a loss that you caused
millennials don't make any sense

>>35456805
Obama tried to get legislation passed to help with job training for (((economically anxious))) mid-Westerners, but was blocked because the GOP refused to do anything that might make Obummer look good to their voters (and because they're generally against helping the poor, as that's not WWJD).

Fuck off conservatard, the GOP are the baddies.

>>35456918
>not realizing this is the oldest political trick in the book

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>>35456911
No I don't. Identity politics are cancer, you and them need to stop.

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>>35456869
now let's stop with the cherry picking (I could easily do it with trump) and return to reality

>>35456415

Okay. So you think "B-but Democrats are just as bad!" justifies overlooking all of the glaring issues within the Republican Party? I'm not even a Democrat.

The only social and economic policies I've had the displeasure of living under were the persistent terms of the most backward sects of the Republican Party. How could I very well complain about Democratic policies if I've never had to deal with them?

>The US also has some of the highest per capital primary school spending

And boy does it show.

>Sure, the R's want to defund education, but the D's want to funnel most of that money to teacher's unions. There's plenty of blame to go around.

No such dichotomy exists. This is a retarded attempt to diminish every line of my post because you can't see in anything but black-and-white terms. Kindly go fuck yourself.

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No, I'm not a lazy nigger bum who expects to be handed things

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>>35456907
>>35456965

the left literally believes that political violence and racial supremacism is okay as just as long as you aren't' white

You are at fault for why white pride is necessary
>>35456978
Sanders has a pathological hatred for withe people, he bought as multi million dollar mansion (which is surrounded by a wall) with your money

>>35456907
I don't get the hate for identity politics.
If black people are facing direct discrimination why shouldn't they organize and protest it?
Why shouldn't transgender people do the same thing? What alternative do they have? Wait for liberals to start accepting them as human beings, maybe 60 years from now, when it will be certainly too late? Do you really have that much trust in the rest of the society?
Identity politics is a compromise, but an efficient one.

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>>35457047

>the left literally believes that political violence and racial supremacism is okay as just as long as you aren't' white. You are at fault for why white pride is necessary

Let me run you through this. I just said political correctness is cancer and the left needs to stop. You then say the left indulges in political correctness which I'm against to justify YOUR political correctness. Somehow you think this makes a point against me?

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>>35457047
I wasn't a massive fan of Sanders, I would have preferred something like a Hillary Clinton minus the corruption but anything would have been better than Trump

It's going to be another Ronald (steal from the poor and give to the rich) Reagan again

>>35457186
Because equality of outcome and equality of opportunity are two different things. Equality of opportunity is already law, there is nowhere to go from here. The system is already fair.

>>35457216
>anything would have been better than Trump
Wanna know how I know that you're an SJW?

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>>35457224
>Equality of opportunity is already law, there is nowhere to go from here. The system is already fair.
>Equality of opportunity is already law
>The system is already fair.

>>35457224
>Because equality of outcome and equality of opportunity are two different things. Equality of opportunity is already law, there is nowhere to go from here. The system is already fair.

You're implying that there is a equality of opportunity, and the US keeps giving us proof that this is not something that is in place, if anythign the situation is progressively getting worse and more unfair.

>>35457282
>>35457287
You SJWs have your racist affirmative action, stop crying

>>35457287
>and the US keeps giving us proof that this is not something that is in place

What proof? Black people doing badly in society? That's not proof that the system is rigged, just proof that they aren't doing well in society.

>>35457186
>If black people are facing direct discrimination why shouldn't they organize and protest it?

Because they attribute ALL of their failure to discrimination.
Sure, some people discriminate against them, but most of their failings are due to them just not measuring up.
As a group, they have a far lower IQ than whites, which is reflected in their lack of success.

>Why shouldn't transgender people do the same thing?

They chose to be that way.

>What alternative do they have?

Choose not to be a fucking weird cunt.

>>35457036
drumpf wants to increase infrastructure spending though

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>>35457428
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT TRUMPFHY DRUMPHY IS A MEAN MAN WHO IS A MEANY WEANY!!!

>>35457186

They're not being discriminated against systematically anymore though. You get these alt-right retards and SJW censors who try to push political correctness on us, it all stems from identity politics. Look at the BLM movement, THEY HAVE GOOD GOALS AND POINTS! Identity politics kills their movement. They're scaring off people who would otherwise support them, it's all around cancer.

>rambley gay ass post but it's 4chan so who cares

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>>35456491
I tried to warn you bro

>>35457465
idk he just sounds like the type of person who'd vote NDP in my country
hell the cons here are pro free healthcare and don't mind gay marriage but the youth thinks they're all evil nazi white men since leitch and o'leary stepped in the ring

>>35457343
Affirmative action takes in account 2 very specific (albeit major) problems, mostly in education. It doesn't account for the rampant drug abuse, gang activity, police violence and vicious cycles that take place in ghettos.
Now, I guess you're coming from a libertarian/republican point of view, therefore you think that these problems are on those guys and that, since they're ''responsible'' for them we should not help them.
I instead think that society should care about its citizen, and that we should try to form a universal community, at least in our national border. I don't think that we should ignore these problems, nor do I think that these problems don't bother me, and even if I don't, deep down I hate the fact that these places exist in our beloved nation.
I guess I'm just more patriotic than you.

>Because they attribute ALL of their failure to discrimination.
This is a strawman. You're not saying anything about the problems, instead you're blaming the black people you have seen on 4chan. What about the problems that should be fixed? Are does not relevant enough to justify the existence of these groups?

>They chose to be that way.
And why should we not care about them? I don't want fellow citizens to live miserable lives only because they're choice is not deemed as normal. Is it immoral? Is it unethical? No? Then I'm interested in their welfare, and I think that you should too.

>Choose not to be a fucking weird cunt.
Or maybe we could just be nice to them, and be sure that there is no mechanism ingrained in our society that directly harms them?
When did we lost the right of being weird? And with what courage we, NEET /r9k/ers, should judge these people?

>>35457494
I'm not saying that there are no unreasonable request from major current idpol groups, I'm just saying that most of the time there are goals in their program that are important enough to justify their existence. The existence of ghettos is not casual.

>>35457402
>Sure, some people discriminate against them, but most of their failings are due to them just not measuring up.

This is really is the fundamental disagreement, apart for the racism (constantly referring to racial IQ) why not be consistent across the board.

Everybody is completely responsible for themselves, no more public education and social programs

Let's live in a libertarian utopia

or acknowledge that the kid who goes the half tore down school with teachers that give out bingo puzzles for exams
maybe
just maybe
doesn't have the same opportunity as the private educated, wealthy kids who has a placed reserved for him at Goldman Sachs

>>35457494
>HEY HAVE GOOD GOALS AND POINTS!
they literally believe that white people are "defects"
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/02/11/black-lives-matter-co-founder-appears-to-label-white-people-defects

>>35457566
I am a little drunk ignore the typos

>>35457550
>I guess I'm just more patriotic than you.
This isn't reddit, people won't look up to you for being an SJW. faggot

>>35457566
>apart for the racism (constantly referring to racial IQ)

>haha, you acknowledged there are differences between the races!
>This means you are a bad person and I win!

>>35457640
>This isn't reddit, people won't look up to you for being an SJW. faggot
Is this all you've got? Come on, I respected your post, as vitriolic as it was. Can you actually try to conjure any sort of argument?
I want to debate with my fellow robot, I'm not interested in shitposting.

>>35457566
There are more poor white people than poor black people and black people still commit the majority of crime. As a group they are hard to defend and only morons like you do it with a straight face.

>>35457606
That's where the cancerous idpol comes in, and why I won't support them.

>>35457672
Where in my post did I mention black
Again this is your very deeply held racist beliefs being projected on to what I say

When I refer to poor people I don't care about race

>>35455845

>>ITT: I'm a commie but good thing my parents are capitalist and pay my rent and wifi :)

Everyone in this thread is testament that maxist ideology is designed for fucking losers

pls kys

>>35457750
>to be a Marxist you have to live in a hut in the woods
>to critique this society you have to completely detatch yourself from it, even if it means that you will probably starve, since there is no alternative to it available.

>>35457669
>hurr if you don't give ALL the funding to a bunch of people who are vastly more likely to commit violent crime that means ur a russian hacker!
>hurr if you don't support cops getting killed thatr menas your no better than a redcoat!
>hurr if you don't get on your hands an knees and lick the boot of every black person you see tha means your no better than ISIS!
fuck off, you virtue signalling faggot
>>35457689
if your a leftist, you support idpol by proxy

>>35457720
why are inner cities so much shittier than hicktowns

both have a long history of shitty public education systems and drug abuse problems

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>>35455845
Shilling on /r9k/ is easy mode, faggot.

>>35457802
move to north Korea ,I'm sure they'll support you cutting your cock off (no need to cut the ball of since you've never had any to begin with)

>>35457812
I'm sure you know what I'm going to say

because they're literally shoved together with no space, the "hicks" would be a lot worse, dirtier, crime ridden if they were all living on top of each other

>>35457804
got it, no useful debate can stem from your meme-ridden personality.

>>35457841
>Implying that every marxist supports North Korea
And let me guess, every republican is actually a nazi am I right?
>tfw behind this irony there is no actual argument

>>35457871
you had no non SJW arguments to argue against

>>35457812
>why are inner cities so much shittier than hicktowns
A combination of Jewish controlled media and government programs to destroy the black family

Blacks had a lower crime rate, higher marriage rate and were steadily improving until the government started sponsoring single mothers and the Jews promoted degenerate culture.

>both have a long history of shitty public education systems and drug abuse problems
Wrong. Hicks could receive any public education they wanted and weren't barred from entering clearly better funded schools because of their race. The government also has a drastically different approach to dealing with drug abuse in white communities when compared to black communities

I lived in a mostly black ghetto ass neighborhood in NYC when I was in high school. I can attest to the fact that these schools are deplorably run, the people that go to these school do not have the same opportunity as other people. They had English teachers teaching math and history teachers English, the same person who taught read us poems taught us division, poorly. It's no place for learning. My school was so underfunded they couldn't even afford erasers let alone hire enough teachers to actually teach. This isn't because the neighborhood was majority black though. It was because the neighborhood was poor. So the neighborhood is poor and the kids fails the tests, so the state cuts the schools funding, so above happens and the kids fail....you see the cycle here....

>>35457898
What's a SJW argument? I have used no buzzword so far, and I've spelled out to a decent extent my opinions on these matters.
You could have argued my points, but instead you chose to just say that I'm a SJW, wich just cut the debate in half with no useful or meaningful conclusion.

>>35457804
>if your a leftist, you support idpol by proxy

YOU BELIEVE THIS AND CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THE OPINIONS I GIVE YOU!

kys faggot seriously end it, you have no capacity for thought whats so ever.

>>35455845
who else /moderate anti-authoritarian/ here?

>>35457968
I have no respect for your anti white SJW shit, leftypol

>>35457841
North Korea is a social conservative heaven though. The society is literally hierarchical based on your family's past actions towards the regime (they use this to determine how much food you get) and sex before marriage is immensely frowned upon. They're nationalistic and men and everyone gets conscripted. Also the Kim (Gold) family has run the country for generations

I guess the most liberal thing about it is that weed is legalized and women are conscripted as well as men

>>35457928
>>35457863
Do you have any examples? I'm interested desu

>>35458007

Keep giving me more opinions I don't hold, it really shows how much of a retard you are.

>>35458079
You google at your disposal. Don't be lazy

>>35457606
>they literally believe that white people are "defects"

Just like how many conservatives and white nationals think blacks are subhumans? Ya know for people that believe racism is only "natural , you sure don't like it when it effects whites

>>35457863
Why is it that the Asian section of my town where they are packed in there like fucking sardines, has very little violent crime?

>>35458138
Why shouldn't I be a white nationalist when you leftists support BLM?

>>35455845
I wuz a libertarian and now I am a theocratic socialist

Fuck liberals and conservatives both. Throw em all off a rooftop. Degenerates

>>35458187
BLM is about white liberals asserting influence over blacks.

>hurr if you want to fight racism blacks need to love gays and trannies and become male feminists
The one thing I like about stereotypical blacks is that they hate gays and roasties, and BLM wants to take that away

>>35458264
>The one thing I like about stereotypical blacks is that they hate gays and roasties, and BLM wants to take that away
black guy here
you're spot on

>>35458175
We're talking about poor black and whites, Asians are too small of a population and are usually integrated in wealthy white areas

>>35458187
Whites aren't suffering from discrimination like blacks or Latinos, police aren't eager to kill them, whites aren't below the poverty line, and society mostly benefits you people. There's no need for nationalist, you just want an excuse to be racist.

>>35458393
THIS rigth here is why white need white nationalism, to get rid of people like you

>>35458393
>whites aren't below the poverty line

I was for a good portion of my life, huge generalizations are nice.

>There's no need for nationalist

Yep, taking pride in ones race sure is stupid. For some reason I think YOU think it's ok if you're "oppressed" though, it's not. Stop it.

>tfw living in a socialist democracy.

>>35458527
Is it Canada?

stop letting the racists slide the thread


this thread is about socialism and wealth distribution

>>35458393
>society mostly benefits you people.

We built it.
We built it for our descendants.
Why should it not be for us?

A non-white living in a white society is still enjoying a higher standard of living than they would in their country of origin.

>>35458453
>Waaahhhh he's saying stuff that we take pride in but saying it in a negative way

>>35458479
Just because YOU'RE poor, doesn't mean majority of whites aren't.

>>35458568
>this thread is about socialism and wealth distribution

These things are effected heavily by groids

>>35458588
>white canb't be poor
this is what SJWs actually believe

>>35458602
nah theres plenty of black millionaires even black billionaires, black doctors, black entrepreneurs

people like you diverting the argument away from the economy is one of the worst things for the economy

>>35458585
I think we have a lot of evidence that america was in fact built by dispossessed nonwhites

>>35458615
if i dont believe that does that mean i'm not an SJW

>>35458588
>Just because YOU'RE poor, doesn't mean majority of whites aren't.

Yup, but you said "whites aren't below the poverty line" I said I have been in the past and I'm white, adding that huge generalizations are pretty stupid and 99% wrong. Where do we go from here?

>>35458588
>Just because YOU'RE poor, doesn't mean majority of whites aren't.

Why is it that whites are spread evenly across levels of success, yet minorities (except Asians, of course) are generally towards the lower end?

Obviously an intelligent black man can be successful, there are many examples of this.
If there was truly a systemic effort to keep them down, why are these men able to succeed?
We certainly wouldn't let them become president.

Could it be that certain races have different capacity for success in a modern society, based on things like IQ?

>>35458565
It is Sweden (but thb, the way things are going ath I am considering a migration to Iceland, Canada or the Netherlands).

There are issues with our way of running things for sure but I believe the basic principle to be good; I am glad to pay high taxes as they pay for my NEET periods, medicines, healthcare and infrastructure.

>reee fucking niggers I'm happy to suck off my boss Mr noseberg as long as he's white, he deserves all the wealth I'm making for him, I'm gonna be him some day!! Working my way up through hard burger flipping, if only the niggers stopped stealing my paycheck monies I'd be ahead!

>>35458664
You know when a new building goes up, how it's usually the architect that designed and planned everything, and the people who supplied the resources to build it who are credited for it, not the construction workers?

>>35458585
>Why should it not be for us?

Too act like this is a country for ALL people to succeed, but really it's just for whites is the problem ever since they came to America. The economy got to where it's at by exploiting people who aren't white for hundreds of years. A non white people's mindset shouldn't have to "even though I'm in a racist society, at least I'm not in a 3rd world shit hole"

>>35458734
except slavers deserve nothing but death and being forgotten

>>35458722
>I'm gonna be him some day

No I'm not.
I'm a working class man, from a working class family.

I don't expect to be like Mr Noseberg.

I just want to live a simple life surrounded by people who are like me, people who share my culture, who share my values.

but

>muh rich taxation
Is also meme economics.

The rich are already taxed at up to 50%.

in general, sane people tend to ditch extremist views as they grow up, because it takes a lot of energy to hate others to such a degree. also, once you actually have something to lose, overthrowing the current system loses its appeal

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>tfw we'd perfected capitalism from 1950-1971 but we ignored Keynes at Breton Woods and used the USD instead of a special bancor currency for international trade, eventually breaking the back of the restrictions on monetary flows and letting money flow freely, then destroyed the system completely after the 1973 oil crisis caused stagflation.
>tfw le chicago school meme and le neoclassical synthesis meme ruined economics as a force for anything useful in the name of creating intentional mass employment ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdZp5iw-UEo ) to weaken the working class
>tfw free movement of capital makes outsourcing trivial and welfare states/neetbux unsustainable.
>tfw we'll never return to high growth and low unemployment in a /comfy/ mixed market economy

>>35458768
So you're just an idpolled cuck then? Same exact thing as a SJW tobehon

>>35458800
yeah too bad capitalism is constitutionally incapable of not destroying the livelihoods of the people who rely on it

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>>35457186
Because it's used as a distraction from the primary economic issues we all face, so you wind up with the "left wing" candidate standing on a platform of neoliberalism with a woman's face.

>>35458761
Everybody had slaves.
White people stopped doing that, and made sure other people did too.

To pass moral judgement using today's standards on people of the past is unfair.

We let these people stay in the society we built, where they enjoy a higher standard of living than they would have in their homeland.

>>35458827
because europeans also destroyed their homeland with colonialism

jesus christ you people

>>35458812
>Same exact thing as a SJW tobehon

>haha you're just the same as the people who have gained massive social and cultural influence in a relatively short amount of time

Yes, I am.

Identity politics cannot be defeated by conventional means.
Trying to do so would be like marching into a WW1 battle in your brightly coloured 19th century military uniforms, rank and file, and getting mowed down by some cunt with a machine gun.

>>35458850
>>35458827
I hate this THEY did this thing, a whole race did not do things. Most whites did not own slaves. the rich did the 1%

>>35458827
white people only eliminated slavery once capitalism had progressed to the state where wage slavery was more effective than chattel slavery

>>35456295
>100+ posts of angry idiots trying to prove themselves right and each other wrong

That's exactly what I meant

>>35458850
>jesus christ you people

We'd be killing the fuck out of some alien fags by now if we weren't being held back by shitskins.

>>35456393

Deficits in testing are due to educational failings, poorer health and nutrtion and lack of stimulating environments.

A wealthy kid gets to play witu toys, goes to daycares, has good nutrition and a low stress development as a fetus and a child.

A kid in a shithole neighbourhood with absent parents gets none of this. The effects of environment and nutrition on IQ are extensive. There is no evidence that intelligence stratification exists across ethnicities.

Also 'races' such as black, white, asian, etc. do not exist. There are legitimate genetic races but they are not segregated by skin pigment or superficial features like facial structure.

The idea that black people have low IQs because of genetics is not substantiated at all. Go back to /pol/ where science and evidence mean nothing if you want to peddle that retarded shit.

>>35458913
I agree this is why white people should organize with black people to create socialism

>>35458907
But you are also identity politics buddo

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>>35456295
>>35458932
>haha dude why do you care about poitics

This is you.

>>35458964
AH Finally a comrade!

>>35455845
I've always been pretty liberal but recent politics in America have forced me to move further right in my viewpoint.

>>35458957
>Also 'races' such as black, white, asian, etc. do not exist.
stopped reading here
fucking retard

>>35458615
>white canb't be poor
Except I never said that.

>>35458634
>plenty of millionaires

Compared to whites and Hispanics, no there isn't. They're a small minority in the black population and most of them work in a white owned business.

>>35458693
Whites AS A WHOLE aren't on the poverty line compared to other races.
Fucked up reading comprehension.

>>35458703
A lot of blacks don't receive the same education or opportunities like whites do. Obama being president doesn't mean much since people are calling him a terrible president, Congress rejecting many of his pledges, and politicians rather have Trump to be president because they hated the Obama administration so much

>>35458965
Yes, and both parties in a war are using guns.

Identity politics is being used as a weapon against me and my people.
We will use the same weapon to defend ourselves.

>>35459017
race theory is inferior to the anatomically modern human hypothesis

all those people exhibit the traits of humanity including culture, tool use and language

>>35458913
Every free man profited off of slave labor, whether they were slave owners or not.

>>35459030
>my people
Spooky!

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>>35459033
>all those people exhibit the traits of humanity including culture, tool use and language

Really activates my almonds.

I used to be one of those internet libertarians jerking off to the idea of using new technologies/social media to organize revolutions and automate corrupt bureaucrats away. Then the Arab Spring happened and the pirate parties flopped, it just doesn't work. I guess they're less common now since the idea was falsified and the dumb teenagers of 4chan are falling in with the alt right.

Now I'm just "far left" if anyone asks, politics is a lost cause. Sadly, the vast majority of people don't want to fight for any vision of a "better world", left or right, they are more interested in playing the system to maximize their own material comfort while sharpening the contrast by making things worse for others.

>>35459076
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_human

heres some more reading, just try not to react emotionally like that

I was almost ancap, but know I'm turning kinda anti-western left.

Western civilization fucked up the world

>>35458827
>White people stopped doing that, and made sure other people did too.

Whites made sure THEIR countries didn't had slavery. (US, CANADA, UK, SPAIN, FRANCE, ETC) but Arab lands still had it. You weren't the saviors to the fucking world.

There's still slavery till this day. Corporate American companies to practice it in Africa and far east Asia

>>35457216
>hillary without the corruption
then move to canada
i hear trudeau is doing a fine job :)

>>35459115
Only because it provided Jews a platform to operate.

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>>35458007
>lefty/pol/
>sjw
Source of pic related

>>35459169
liberals aren't leftists, it's liberals who want this kind of hierarchy preserved

>>35455845
Lol the pendulum is swinging again. Well that was fast.

>>35458791
Something like 75% of self-made billionaires in the USA make their money from uncompetitive industries or outright rent-seeking.

You could tax them at a much higher rate and still have it be efficient because they're extracting economic rent (not the same as "rent for an apartment") instead of engaging in productive activity. When you redistribute the money, it would then go into consumption and actually do something useful.

>>35459033
If you want to hold a decent discussion please dont do it here

I love to watch and every time one anon begins to make sense it turns into an argument.

One side wants to get down to business
The other side wants to racebait and shitpost because they lack problem solving skills.

The thread died early as fuck. Use forums. They're a lot funner anyway and usually have more fucking images than an IMAGE BOARD.

I'm with you though. I were a black that had a pretty decent mom and access to REAL food and the internet. MOST of the children I grew up with are dead. They had no outlets and no desire to learn. Our education were garbage and the schools felt like a prison. Those born with the thirst for knowledge are still with me though. They've had it bad and still refuse to give in and give up.

I'll forever blame the system. We are fleshy computers. You can program a human to do anything you want. You gotta get them young though.

>>35459204
i disagree, it is human nature to change its own nature

>>35459183
Well yeah, but "progressive left" is just liberals, nearly no actual socialist calls himself a progressive.

>>35459232
ive met plenty of progressive socialists which seems to countermand your assertion

>>35459169
>People that are not my color should be poor and we should wonder why they are so poor

Welcome to capitalism

>>35459157
I see your point, but I don't think it is an ethinic/racial/religious/cultural problem. I think the problem is the system. I know many jews are part of the elite, but if it was not them, it would be someone else.

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>>35459266
Well, where on the socialism hierarchy do they stand?

>>35459322
the best one of course

duh

>>35458800
>post a funny infographic while having no clue about economics

Have you ever heard about natural unemployment sir?

>>35458957
>Deficits in testing are due to educational failings, poorer health and nutrtion and lack of stimulating environments.

Studies have shown that black children who are adopted by white parents, while showing a slight improvement in IQ an GPA scores, still consistently score below the white average.

>>35459375
thats known as structural unemployment to people in the know, it is used as a stick to keep wage slaves in line

>>35459375
The tl;dr is that it's bullshit that the natural rate is 6%

>>35459397
sounds like a good reason to make sure they have access to good schools and so on

>>35459407
see >>35459399

>>35458827
>To pass moral judgement using today's standards on people of the past is unfair.
no it's not because they knew what they were doing and did it because they could get away with it. they stopped doing it once they could extract even more wealth from a freer population of those who were in bondage.

the british crown paid remuneration and land grants to elites who had lost their slaves to emancipation. guess where the freed slaves with no money, land, or earthly possessions went to work?

>>35459407
The natural rate should be even higher

The most obvious thing that socialists don't accept is that you can't employ everyone

Capitalism and rules of the market aren't axiologically friendly to them, so they shape the world around them and increase state interference

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>>35459473
Don't read them all at once!

>>35459397
Yet studies show the African immigrants in UK can score 90-100 IQ. Being in a 1st world can improve your mindset if you use to live in a 3rd world

>>35455845
This is the progression of my political views:
>liberal
>libertarian
>anarcho capitalist
>conservative

>>35459484
Well, I can do the same and replicate by posting some keynesian bullshit

Some people don't understand how important freedom is and that people can function without a full-fledged state

>>35456869
Can't stand this nigger loving fuck. Every fucking time he opens his mouth its egalitarian, socialist bullshit.

>>35459540
>people can function without a full-fledged state
This is true, but if you want to do it without being a ridiculous and contradictory cunt then you wind up being an anarchist who sees property rights as the joke they are.

>>35459397
>Studies have shown that black children who are adopted by white parents

wow, adopted eh? I suppose the environment in which the earliest and most important development occurs or the substance and dietary in womb is all irrelevant

No actual study that has controlled all the variables among the races in terms of IQ has been done

>>35459540
>people can function without a full-fledged state
of course people can function without a full-fledged state, but how would the quality of improve?

>>35459579
plus when we're all interbred, the maladaptive genes will naturally fall away, it's not like white genes disappear when they mate with a black person

black people do not have magical gametes

>>35459540
>john maynard "I can be influenced by what seems to me to be justice and good sense; but the class war will find me on the side of the educated bourgeoisie." keynes
>socialist
Post some fucking rothbard already you nigger.

>>35458822
>yeah too bad capitalism is constitutionally incapable of not destroying the livelihoods of the people who rely on it
idiot. Capitalism ensures economic growth/prosperity. It doesn't destroy lives; people destroy their own lives by making shitty choices.

>>35459603
of life*
surprisingly unoriginal

>>35459603
I think the quality would be very improve

>>35459662
nah, the corps demand workers pay for their own education and dont give them enough money to afford it

economic growth and prosperity are the rewards of work, we don't need someone at the top taking all the profit to create profit for ourselves

work creates value, ownership expropriates value

>>35459603
improvement is entirely subjective, axiological like i said before

in socialist movements you usually see values which are shared by 90% of the world - most of them are christian, muslim, religious etc. solidarity values

How exactly do you know those values are the "right" ones?

>>35459697
>work creates value
Only useful work although

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>>35459579
>wow, adopted eh? I suppose the environment in which the earliest and most important development occurs or the substance and dietary in womb is all irrelevant

But even when controlled for income, blacks score lower than whites, and once again, Asians outperform both.

Why are you hesitant to admit that there are differences between the races that account for their differing levels of success?

Do you perhaps depend on pushing a narrative of oppression, racism and inequality to promote your ideological agenda?

>>35458585
Living in comfort. AHA! The funniest thing about this assertion is that instead of being wrong because its just factually wrong (like all of the other things you said), its wrong because its completely subjective. You cant just say opinions and act like theyre facts. And if we wanted to qualify/quantify what it is to live & comfortably, I can assure you the statistics would work against you. In colonized countries, non-white people have more mental and physical health problems due to their oppression by ignorant white assholes (such as yourself). And before you say its because theyre genetically predisposed or some more ignorant shit like that, its specifically because the quality of healthcare they receive is lower, the access they have to healthcare is more scarce, and fewer opportunities had compared to white people.

As much as I can see you enjoy talking out of your ass, Ill have to shoot you down here. You see, while societies in Africa, Asia, and the Americas were incredibly complex, had systems of irrigation and merit-based education systems, intricate trade routes, whole libraries dedicated to actual knowledge and not a corrupt obsession with God while the rest of the world was developed, Europe lagged behind.

>>35459662
>Capitalism ensures economic growth/prosperity
And yet growth has declined since we moved towards the washington consensus model and tried to reduce the state to little more than a policeman...

>>35459802

You guys were still shitting in the streets and drinking from the lakes that said shit would seep into. You guys thought showering was bad for you. Thats why the Black Plague started in Asia but somehow had the worst effect in Europe, killing 30-60% of the European population. Towns functioned as commercial centers, but long distance trade was still undeveloped. Every single thing that the Europeans used to better themselves as societies was literally borrowed from other people (but since white supremacists like you never give other societies credit, this borrowing quickly becomes stealing). In fact, European conquest underdeveloped Africa.

And just in case you are equating physically building societies with a country built by white people, you can miss me. White conquest was literally a history of white people going to another country, destroying everything in sight, then rebuilding their own (inferior) white structures over it in the name of it better and white is right. In the case of slavery and colonialism, white people didnt build shit slaves built it for you.

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>>35459787
the following comment is certified original by the CAP

>>35459708
>How exactly do you know those values are the "right" ones?
crime rate, economic stability, and healthcare are a few examples of values that are not subjective and are fairly good indicators of the quality of life in a nation.

the beauty of having such a big and diverse world is that if you dont like one nation you can always move to another one. for example, if you like anarchy you can move to africa.

>>35459787
>But even when controlled for income, blacks score lower than whites, and once again, Asians outperform both.

hmmmmmm I wonder what it could be, something GLARINGLY OBVIOUS that Asians exceed at
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
c-c-could it be
CULT-
no no no of course not
Asians are just genetically superior to whites and whites to blacks, clearly that's the obvious explanation here

>>35455845
Gun control is a meme, if you've been killed in the US by a gun it's twice as likely that you shot yourself rather than being shot by someone else.

>>35459842
I love it when a meme graph gets debunked and /pol/ starts screeching.

You're a good anon

>>35459826

That's exactly why I've made this post before

>>35459115

>>35459826
>>35459802
>haha these uncultured savages beat the fuck out of us and enslaved us for centuries we are so great

>>35459822
You are living in one of the best periods of history, certainly when you can live in comfort. Now compare it to the past

Just because something wasn't talked about in media in the past, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was much worse to live anywhere in the past

Current improvement of life is astounding and capitalism is one of the factors

>>35459909
This.

Being smart doesn't rely on genes. Many Asian parents are strict and care about Education and health. That's their culture. But then again, there are lots of average - dumb Asians.

Why s it that blacks are 13% of the population, yet responsible for over 50% of murders?

>>35459842
not to say the chart is accurate because there doesn't seem to be a specific source besides 'The College Board', but it is based on a chart from a news bulletin by the Journal of Black Higher Education. 'Family Income Differences Explain Only a Small Part of the SAT Racial Scoring Gap'

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>>35460055
It's shit. Life's shit.
Bring on the next crash, it's been nearly a decade. Slay the beast.

>>35459787
Don't you understand? No amount of proof, logic, or valid arguments will ever make leftists change their minds on this. Their whole belief system is predicated upon the fact that people are born blank slates, and if raised in the proper environment, can turn out to be just as good as anyone else. They CANNOT admit that biology affects things like intelligence, personality, or aggression. If they were to do so, it would undermine their entire belief system. Having your entire belief system (the way in which you perceive and make sense of the world) dismantled is an incredibly painful thing to have happen to you. They will NEVER EVER admit to it, it's too dangerous for them to handle. Stop arguing with them, it will never accomplish anything.

>>35455845
I used to be left leaning and then I came to my senses and stopped being autistic.
>1% should be taxed more
Even if the 1% were taxed into the ground this would make essentially no difference in the collective wealth of a nation.
>Importance of regulation and government oversight
So you want to take the power away from the people and put it into the hands of the political elite? Are you retarded?

Capitalism is not inherently evil. It's idiotic consumers who feed into multinational corporations that benefit off of cheap labour in third-world countries.

In capitalism you're a slave to the system. In socialism/communism you're a slave to your own government. Which would you rather be?

>>35459787
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yy2LQczlQ8

>>35460079
maybe because they were enslaved, then segregated, turned into second-class citizens and had their culture completely destroyed by the white man?

>>35460115
How can you say it's shit when you haven't lived in the past.
According to monetarists, the crash is caused by not applying the shock therapy, by delaying the period where people lose jobs rapidly and when the market cleans itself

It's that period that hurts keynesians and socialists the most. They believe that the whole system is wrong because they don't understand that failure is part of progress.

>>35459909
>border collies are only considered intelligent because they're trained well!
>if an Afghan hound were trained in exactly the same manner, you would see the same results!

>>35460304
and of course the crash is big because it has been delayed, forgot to add that

>>35460187
Let me add one thing to this. Do you know who Charles Murray is? Well he had a speaking engagement at a University to discuss ideas like Race and IQ. Leftists FREAKED the fuck out over this, violently attacking professors and students, sending one (Democrat) Professor to the hospital. Read this, an article written by a leftist, explaining the situation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/middlebury-free-speech-violence/518667/

Why? Why the freaking out? Well, he was attacking their belief system. And that's what happens when you do that.

>>35460079
Why do whites complain about black murderers when 80% of whites are killed by other whites?

>>35456527
>muh taxes are theft

Libertarianso really only care about money, don't they?

>>35460350
They don't pretend otherwise.

>>35460304
The most recent crash wasn't caused by shock therapy, and the complete collapse in economic progress at the bottom of the pole (and declining-gains for everyone.) represents our present malaise almost perfectly.

What matters not is the situation in isolation, but the trend. I'd rather start in a low place and climb than start in the middle and stay on a straight course.

Growth was verifiably higher under keynesianism. We're approaching the stage where even a Keynesian-Monetarist cycle (i.e. 20-30 year cycles of balanced-high growth followed by disproportionate-mid tier growth, based on the idea that Keynes, not Arabs, are to blame for stagflation.) would be an improvement on the present.

>>35460304
the standard of living nowadays is better than in the past, but the growth rates are lower for the middle and lower classes and higher for the high classes.

Inequality is rising since the Nixon Shock.

>>35460187
This is stupid though.
The entire idea of the end-stage of communism ("from each according to his ability, to each according to his need") is based not on the assumption that people are actually equal, but that the productive forces of society will be developed to the point that the difference is negligible.

(For a radical example: We automate all production, farming, etc. "From each according to his ability" then becomes a purely social question, and even Chris Chan is making fucking Sonichu, and "To each according to his need" is easy because the machines are doing the provision.)

The maxim would otherwise be "From each one thing, and to all the same thing. Everyone is equal, dummy."

>>35460188
>Which would you rather be?
Slave to the government. I prefer explicit slavery in a grey, miserable setting to slavery masquerading as freedom. Nothing makes me more depressed than having my chain yanked.

>>35460345
Because it's about an over representation in the overall murder rate.

People tend to live amongst their own race, and whites are a majority, so it's unsurprising white people are most often killed by white people.

>>35455845
I'm actually more conservative on economic issues and moderate on social ones. I think social issues are bulllshit and that things like immigration and terrorism are overhyped. Republicans are just looking for an excuse to go to war so oil companies and defense contractors can make some bandz

>>35460435
I'm referring more to Rousseau than Marx.

>>35460570
Fair enough, my apologies.

>>35456295
You are not class conscious at all you bourgeois swine. You can only be so carefree because the working class earned you that freedom.

>>35460470
>so it's unsurprising white people are most often killed by white people.

So you admit you've complained about nothing.

>>35460191

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Triple_Package

The central argument of the book is that the cultural groups that are "starkly outperforming[4] the rest in America possess three distinct traits. These virtues are the presence of a superiority complex, the simultaneous existence of a sense of insecurity, and a marked capacity for impulse control.


The book categorizes the cultural groups regarding their religion, national origin, and ethnic group. By cultural groups, they refer that as members of the group that tend to be united or pass on a certain sense of outlooks and cultural values to their next generations.

During an interview with Harry Kreisler,[2] the authors explained how they collected the data by going through months of Census data, all available economic data, and from personal experience; and at last narrowed down to the eight cultural groups listed as the successful groups in the United States: Chinese, Jewish, Indian, Iranian, Lebanese, Nigerians, Cuban exiles and Mormons.

As both authors belong to one of the above groups and coming from an immigrant family, namely Chua being Chinese and Rubenfeld being Jewish, Chua further claims that "Chinese Americans are three generations behind the Jews" as both Jewish Americans and Chinese Americans share lots of similar behaviors like being instructed to learn how to play a musical instrument when they were little and encouraged to become a doctor, teacher or a lawyer.

>>35460223
Single motherhood, gang culture, welfare and not over policing, but lack of policing.

The system is no longer out to get them. There is no legislation that serves to keep blacks down other than welfare and publicly funded schools.Rather than being freed from the chains, they've been given new chains.

>tfw socially conservative and economically socialist
Where does this put me?

>>35461011
Distributist, maybe.

>>35461011
Blacks
Blackpeople hate faggots love Jesus want women back in th kitchen but on economic issues they're liberals

>>35456857
Trump will get reelected is what will happen

>>35461011
at its extreme, fascist

>>35461011
so you basically want maximum government intervention in everything?

who cares what you call yourself, that's a set-up for authoritarianism

>>35461092
>that's a set-up for authoritarianism
That's what I want

>>35460745
Crime consumes resources.

Black people are still over represented in the murder of whites when compared to their population.

It's also worth noting that "White" often also includes Hispanics in crime data.

>>35455845
Gun control is a very bad idea. Go fuck yourself. Respond to this post if you want me to elaborate on my opinion.

>>35455845
Same here, but I'm still pro gun.

I went from being your standard American conservative, to a libertarian, to the center-left liberal I am right now.

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>>35461011
>Where does this put me?

On the right path.

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If you're not in the bottom right kindly commit suicide.

I was a libertarian who was big into the gun issue despite not owing guns. Now I'm more of a socialist (actual socialism not liberal shit) and am mostly concerned about class issues and healthcare and affoardable housing access. I'm pretty conservative on some issues though like immigration that's why I don't consider myself a full socialist at least not in the left libertarian sense.

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>>35460398
Who said we have to be equal when we're not?

The idea of egalitarianism which runs the socialist fashion is just plainly axiological and emotional.

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this thread is too spooky lads

>>35456045

That's because niggers are stupid and will never fix their own problems.

>>35461244
It's not 2012 anymore stupid paultard

Rents were libs but they from diff era

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Slowly becoming more right-wing with age. I used to be completely liberal. Biggest complaints are pandering of minorities, while subtlety persecuting Whites and, honestly, even Asians(college quotas,etc.). Still think Trump is an idiot though, so I can never go full conservative.

>>35461679
Pence is a good example of a full conservative. Trump has some lefty views/policies

>>35461679
>Still think Trump is an idiot though, so I can never go full conservative

Don't equate Trump and conservatives.

Also don't equate neo-cons and conservatives.

>start out as something of a liberal
>become ron paul libertarian in high school
>now fairly squarely socialist in college
and before anyone says anything about university turning me left, I hate liberals and I self radicalized before I took any kind of sociology course

>was moderate left wing liberal
>still hold the same beliefs
>apparently where the centre of the spectrum is has dramatically shifted, because people keep calling me a Nazi

>>35461679
sounds like you hate the idpol liberals more than you are a conservative