>there are people so entitled and worthless they support socialism

>>35446047
Pic says it like communism is something bad

>>35446047

are alt-right cucks officially more annoying than feminists now?

>>35446318
>complains about alt-right
>uses the word cuck

are you being retarded on purpose?

wtf im a capitalist now

>>35446318
Probably. It'll be interesting to see how the culture of this place changes over the next 4 years assuming it still exists.

>>35446318
shoo shoo shareblue

>>35446318
>be a lefty socialist cuck
>be on board for losers who refuse to improve and instead prefer to wallow in self pity and reeee at any chances of being better
OH LOOK WHAT A COINCIDENCE

>>35446360
>hurr durr what is irony? i dnt lrn that in eco 101

>>35446699
>be alt right
>be on 4chan
>doesnt think hes a walking meme
wew lad

>>35446047
>socialism is anything the government does
>it's not about changing into a different kind of economy at all
>just more taxes lol

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>>35446047
1) ?
2) Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and services. At the moment the government provides those services. People fund these services by paying taxes. Universal health care, education and social security benefit everyone and lead to general prosperity.
3) Yes you can. The other alternative being rampant unchallenged capitalism that benefits the few at the expense of the majority.
4) The rich are responsible for the majority of people's negative financial situation. They use their power and wealth to push through legislation that serves to strengthen their condition at the expense of others.
5) No it doesn't. Rampant capitalism leads to misery... always.

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>>35446318
I'd say they're about equally annoying if you meet them in a one on one, but Altcucks are everywhere now, shitting up discussion with their cult stuff more than feministas ever did IMO.
So yeah you're right

>>35446047
If I beat a rich person up and take their money, is that not hard earned?

>>35446703
fucking originally rekt

you have been muted again lol
someone kill this fucking robot

>>35446944
>Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and services.
why

>>35446318
I don't know. It's not even the ideology that's the issue, feminism or rightism or whatever. It's the fact that there's a bunch of smarmy memelord children regurgitating rhetoric as if they developed it personally. I'm at the point where I really can only stand apolitical people. Don't get me wrong I have my views but the thought of turning it into a lifestyle is cringe.

>>35446944
>Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and services

>Everyone is entitled to a surgeon dedicating his life to surgery and spending thousands going to school and then serving them at their behest.

If you believe how are you gonna convince said surgeon to dedicate his life without forcing him at gunpoint?

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Why righties don't understand that leaving people to fend for themselves leads to high crime rate which fucks up living conditions for everyone? Suddenly you have to heavily fund police forces (there goes your tax savings) and the place is still a shithole.

>>35447052
By paying him a salary ?

>>35447066
But you already said you are entitled to his work.

>>35447018
Not him but if you don't have a basic level of infrastructural, educational, and administrative support then you have a really ugly shitty third world country on your hands.

conservatives are pretty too face about this,
they were all for laissez faire markets, well until jobs started moving to china and india where they will work for less, then suddenly they are ok with government intervention .

>>35446047
The fuck is this weaksauce liberal bullshit
The point is to take productive property from the bourgs at gunpoint and run it yourselves, got fuck all to do with shuffling money about to different sections of the population.
Death squads and workers councils, not taxation and white guilt, praise lenin

>>35447052
Oh idk the gubbermand pays his wages like any other job because it's just one big company?

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>you are not entitled to anyone else's gard earned money
>unless you extract it from your employees

>>35447348
>at gunpoint
>implying you're not afraid of guns
>implying anyone would let you anywhere near a gun
>implying you won't be killed for being a weak commie

>>35446951
Yee frogposters are basically just the new SJWs
They're two sides of the same retarded identarian coin anyways

Capitalism and the wage gap are going to be the fall of the West. Yhe people are going to get more and more pissed as it gets worse and worse, and a malaise and meaninglessness are going to fall on society.
Socialism is the only way to survive.

When they see this last ditch fuck-it-all move of electing Donald fucking Trump doesn't change anything (and makes it worse), that's when the shit will hit the fan.

>>35447382
It's almost like they're only capable of viewing the economy as a set of fetishised sigils rather than what people are actually doing to maintain and reproduce society

>>35447447
>the wage gap

Something that doesn't exist is gonna cause the downfall of the west?

>>35446047
>The rich are not responsible for your financial situation

kekeke that's right goyim, nobody is rigging your banking systems. We DESERVE our money because we're just better than you.

>>35447388
>turns ass backwards feudal peasant nation into nuclear space-capable superpower in 3 decades
>lul commynism is for puny weak people

>>35447219
Republican principles were thrown out the window right about the time Evangelicals supported a patently amoral degenerate. Much less to mention that they consistently vote against their own interests just because muh liberalz and muh war on christmas.

>>35447490
You'd like Strasserism
Or Nazbol
They're pretty similar

>>35447474
Not the supposed gender gap, meant to say the wealth gap

i want to punch that smug faggot so badly

when are we bringing back gulags

>>35447474
>>35447524
gender gap is a myth, wealth gap is practically law

>>35447548
When you stop being a weak faggot and pick yourself up by your bootstraps.

>>35447548
Soon comrade
We're gonna build the best socialism and everyone's gonna have a state-mandated gf
Roasties will be sent to the camps

>>35447548
The slaughter camps will come back once automation becomes feasible enough. Once 30-40% of jobs become automated, you'll see the bloodbath.

>>35447574
>saying that encourages attempts to better your position within capitalism is based on an impossible physical action
Heh

>>35446360

Uh, the alt-right is absolute cuck

>Jail her for emails!
>She's corrupt giving paid speeches, drain the swamp!
>Build the wall!
>We're going to make America the greatest country again!

>Everybody in cabinet uses hackable email servers
>Cabinet is immediately filled with wealthy corporate interests whom have no record of serving the public
>The wall is not being built, and if it is America will pay it
>Deliberately unwinding education and stagnating us from green energy, letting Euro and China easily pull ahead.
>He's playing golf weekend after weekend, all inclusive, using tax-payer dollars "for free"

America is literally watching you get a dick in your mouth from Trump (which y'all just GOBBLE up), while taking it in the ass from Spicer and Pence.

The rest of us are just sick of having to watch you MAGA's enjoy it so much.

>yfw socialism is the actual beta revolution

>>35447663
It's almost like despite all his flaws and every other candidates flaws, they are all still infinitely more electable than Hillary Clinton. It's almost like Hillary was just an unprecedentedly bad candidate.

>>35447061

They can't wrap their heads around the idea that government is created by their own people (neighbors, friends, family, community), and that it exists as a tool expressly for helping to manage order and prosperity of large populations. Which means one thing above all else: cooperation.

Most of them are greedy and selfish cowards though. The cowards of cowards.
They basically want all of the benefits that an ordered and prosperous society/governance offer, while doing nothing to support, uphold, maintain, or improve it.

They are cancer at worse, and parasites at best.

>>35447712
i love it honestly
everyone is realizing the president is just whatever idiot gets the most votes
sanders became a martyr, this really could not have gone better

>>35447698
>socialists are unbelievably liberal and value women above men
>beta revolution is getting the rich to give me money

you are a faggot who clearly just started browsing this board

>>35447712

Oooh, sorry there cuck buddy, you reflexed for the low hanging fruit!
I don't even like Hillary myself either. :]

Maybe before trying to divert the topic you should address the individual points about Trump first. It'll make your argument stronger.

>>35447777
>socialists are liberals
i want politically illiterate classcucks to leave

>>35447761
>everyone is realizing the president is just whatever idiot gets the most votes

I realized this back in fucking 2004. Hard to believe there are still people who don't understand this, particularly on fucking /pol/ of all places.

>>35447797
They are you faggot. They've always supported abortion a.k.a. the woman's right to kill just because.

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Every socialist I've ever met was a NEET/loser type(self-interest) or extremely rich(hypocritical, sheltered). You don't meet middle class folks who support this shit.

>>35447018
Because that's how you get Africa. Or North Korea.

>>35446944

>>Everyone is entitled to basic human rights and services.

I just built a house in Death Valley and I don't feel like working. You have to bring me regular shipments of food and water to keep me alive.

>>35446047
It's funny how the Netherlands is proof that everything in this pic is wrong.

>>35447900
then get out of death valley and come to a city
you can't use a stupid imaginary scenario as an argument

>>35447447

You realize that if they were dumb enough to vote for Trump they're not intelligent enough to realize overarching concepts of this nature?

We're talking about a nation of people who elected a man, with literally zero time serving the public, to the highest political office in the world.

America had its chance to be great, but instead it cut its own "healthcare" and contracted cancer. Now we just have to wait for it to die, so another country can rise as the democratic power, and get it right.

Like it's a funny thing about Americans, they don't think there's a real possibility that their country could collapse and end. But when they also dumb enough to dismantle their own education system, what can you expect?

>>35447900
It's obvious that the focus is on what basic means, and you're just being deliberately dense

>>35447900

>This is what right-wingers believe to be logic

I didn't realize America's cancer had gone terminal...

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>>35447985
>democratic
fuck that

>>35447985
>this level of butthurt over Trump

absolutely magnificent. Trump was elected precisely by the people socialist faggots claim to stand for.

>>35447822
socialism doesnt give all the power to the goverment thats facism/nazism and communism is stateless since we are talkign about post-scarcity post-singulairty world

>>35446047
Socialism isn't a button you turn on. Its a tool and America uses it to get through recessions and it works.

>>35448046
Nazis were socialist you idiot.

>>35446318

Pretty much, they defened socialist policies AND bash "the left" at the same time. Totally pathetic.

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>>35446094
Origig

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>>35446047
Sounds pretty good to me oregino

>>35448058
they werent nazism was strictly facist aka the goverment has obsolete power and the means of production were in private hands(capitalist) socialism is workers controling the corporations so yeah they were not

>>35448058
Nazis are a small subcategory of socialism. You trying to make the {a contains b, therefore a is equal to b} argument tells me you're too young or retarded to be on my board.

>>35448073
This. Time and time again the country of Vietnam has proven to be an unmitigated disaster.
Oh wait.

>FREE MARKET NOW!!! CANT UNDERSTAND YOU COMMIE KEK!

>bawww free market doesnt ,grandpa orange should run the economy, but you are still a leftist cuck

>>35448074
>people worshipping the hard working and industrious german national socialists on a NEET board

If you agree with a single word from that quote you need to kill yourself, or re-evaluate your beliefs. Small wonder everyone here is a depressed loser, when their lifestyle is diametrically opposed to their life philosophy.

>>35448115
Meanwhile the world's great free capitalist country is a fucking pile of burning trash.
A government by the rich, of the rich, and for the rich.

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>>35448046

Honestly, look at Western Europe if you want a preview of what Libcucks want here.
>Weapon sweeps
>Arresting people for punching a burglar or macing a guy who sexually assaults them
>Hate speech/revisionism laws

The list goes on and on. Social Democracy is a stalking horse for an Authoritarian government.

Once you establish that people have the right to XYZ the government starts working to make people completely dependant on it. This is starting to creep into America, via laws against collecting rainwater, drinking raw milk, etc.

>>35448102
they are not even in the slightest look at the acutal framework of the economy it was privatly owned
Hitler smashed unions or any type of worker control so yeah so much for socialism
The whole point of him calling his party National Socialist Workers Party was to gather more appeal for the average german

>>35448143
>thinking socialism will be any different
/wiki/Useful_idiot

>>35447052
You pay him with money, just like how you build roads and fire departments. If you don't know what socialism is why do you have an opinion on it?

>>35448143
The US is a mixed economy.

>>35448166
>ad hominem
like cIockwork!

>>35448183
What if you can't afford him? Are you still entitled to his services?

>>35448201
that's still capitalism
socialism doesn't mean when the government does stuff

>>35448212
Sorry let me rephrase: You(the government) pay him with money. Or more practically, the people pay him with subsidized insurance.

>>35448146
Social Democracy has nothing to do with it.Social democracy is just capitalism with some moral restarint from the goverment and the stupid shit that this libcucks bitch about is truly stupid but i dont see how SoDem exactly enacted it on them and socialism is not against gun rights is completely pro=speech and anything else worthwhile of that caliber.The whole idea is no king in goverment no king in the corporation

>>35448234
What if he's unhappy with what you(the government) is paying him? And how did you(the government) even get him to dedicate his life to being a surgeon in the first place?

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Okay Socialists
define "public ownership of means of production" and describe how it would work

I will wait

why are you coming to the neetbux board to bitch about socialism? retard

>>35448201
That's part of the point I was illustrating. It's the socialist-tinged policies of the US govt that keep this country from collapse. Capitalism is the cancer, yet conservatives extol it like it's not the thing that repeatedly fucks them. THEN they elect a man who literally bargains with individual companies and picks winners and losers like some kind of *gasp* authoritarian dictator that they just spent a DECADE bitching about getting manipulated by the likes of Hannity and Levin!

>>35447044
I agree with you man
People treat politics like a religion, if their leader says something it must be true
Its the most aggravating subject to discuss with anyone because people believe whatever fits their narrative

>>35448277
This board would improve 100 times if every NEET was banned and it was just a board for people who suffer from depression and social problems/injustice.

>>35448274
Worker controlled factories organized the way co-ops are now, but with prices planned by a direct democratic government with instant recall

>>35448266
dude you do realise you create imaginary problem with the original question
how do you get someone to become surgueon in socialism WELL THE SAME WAY IN CAPITALISM in teh sense taht you dont people want to do the work and you give him the education and employment oportunity.if he is not happy protest/crate a union or he can start his own god damn clinic nobody is stopping him

>>35448266
If you don't stop describing communism I'm going to stop responding to you.

The market decides his wages.

>>35448318
Do you live in a socialist country?

>>35448362
how can i when they never existed in which nations did you have full control of the means of productions by the workers that work whithin them

>>35448317
>instant recall
too much instability imo

>>35448362
You're arguing with a troll.

>>35447777
maybe mainstream socialists, but on /leftypol/ they often talk about how many women are counterrevolutionary consumerist whores

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Leftonomics:
>We need a 15$/hr wage for unskilled labor. Import more unskilled laborers.
>The VA is slow and inefficient. Let's give the government more control over healthcare.
>Hand out free college money, get surprised when tuition skyrockets.
>Dogpile small business owners with regulations, endless permits, inspections, high taxes, etc. Get mad at the ascendancy of corporate big-box stores that are identical in every city/town.

>>35448420
Liberals are not leftists

>>35448420
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about on any of those points

>>35448416
>/leftypol/
That's such a shitty unoriginal name desu.

>>35448420
Non strawman leftonomics:

I'm middle class in the US. I pay almost as much in taxes as people in countries with free health care and college. My healthcare system is still less efficient than theirs. Someone is pocketing the money.

>>35448443
What's he wrong about? I'm a moderate who could be swayed to either side.

>>35447052
>Everyone is entitled to a surgeon dedicating his life to surgery and spending thousands going to school and then serving them at their behest.

>And therefore everyone should pay a premium to the grimy bureaucrats who have fuck all to do with the actual proceedure

>>35448436

>Liberals are not leftists

Honestly STFU. You people are like Christians who insist "it's not a religion, it's a personal relationship with Jesus."

>>35448443

Not an argument.

>>35448526
What do you think socialism means, and what do you think liberalism means?

>>35448474
That would be the insurance companies. Anyone who has real experience with health insurance in the US has reason to doubt the power of the free market to optimize healthcare, at least.

>>35448526
>Not an argument.

Actually, you're the one who threw out a bunch of claims without any evidence. His argument has the same strength as yours because they're both just opinions.

>>35448555

Liberal is a broad term encompassing multiple ideologies on the Left-Right spectrum. Socialism is a subcategory under that umbrella.

>>35448501
>minimum wage
As it is now, we're paying benefits to those people anyway and employers are pocketing the difference. $5.25 (my state's minimum wage) is not a liveable wage. Not to mention employer abuse of workers who don't fall under the FLSA.
>college
Student loans are the problem
>VA
don't pay enough or have enough resources to do what it's mandated to do by law
>regulations
Are indeed a problem. But many are necessary (licensing, OSHA, EPA, FDA, etc.)

The funny thing about all this, and the thread that runs through it all, is the plan for consecutive governance has always been to handicap government at every turn then use that as proof that government doesn't work. See what they did to the postal service, for an example.

>>35448556
What is with you people and thinking that a completely unregulated market would solve every problem the US has?
You do realize that the amount of labor greatly exceeds the demand for it?

>>35448601
Do some reading. Liberalism means free markets and social liberty. Socialism is worker control of means of production (factories, farms etc).

>>35448653
*conservative governance

>>35448665
I don't know why people think deregulating things would make things better. As >>35448653 said, why have a government at all if it's not going to protect the public good? If you want to live in Mad Max you can move to Somalia right now.

>>35448653
>5.25 (my state's minimum wage)
Isn't the national minimum wage 7.25?

>>35448700
Actually regulations are a serious problem. I get that not ALL regulations are bad but a vast majority of them are.

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>>35448584

1) Leftists push for naturalization of illegals, more refugees from third world countries, etc. This creates a bigger pool unskilled laborers.

2) The VA is constantly pilloried by the Liberal media.

3) Inflation. Artificially pumping more money into a system causes prices to go up. This is not controversial or under debate anywhere.

4) Honestly? Talk to someone trying to run one. I know a couple running a store that got harassed and fined repeatedly - the counter was too close to the door, etc. Should I really have to pore over 100's of pages of regulations just to have a small shop somewhere?

Did you know there's an inventory tax for machine parts? I can't just have parts for my factory sitting on shelves waiting to be used without paying. Seems an awful lot like punishment for thinking ahead, ne?

>>35448737
your complaining about centrist liberals, not socialists

>>35448768
Those people are leftists in America. Left/right differs depending where you are.

>>35448556
>Drive past homeless people on the way to work. Can't give them change because they carry TB, a completely preventable disease.
>Get a grease burn on my hand, not worth going to the ER so I don't get it treated.
>Infection on my hand.
>I lose money
>job loses money
>Doctors keep people sick
>Children depend on charity hospitals for cancer treatment if they're lucky enough to live near one.
>The people smart enough to make money don't want to deal with this shit, they leave.
>Pajeet takes fills in where they left.

Christ, Sweden is a socialist hellhole.

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>>35448768

Yeah yeah. Self-identified Communists and Socialists are constantly pushing for "refugees" and mass-migration. Could it be because they think balkanizing their countries and creating a dependant caste that will vote to protect their handouts will allow them to take over the government?

I apologize for not doing my homework here but there are common-sense refutations that apply here.

>>35448737
>Leftists push for naturalization of illegals, more refugees from third world countries, etc. This creates a bigger pool unskilled laborers.

Has it occurred to you that immigrants, legal or otherwise, might have skills worth paying for? Or do you just assume all brown people are peasants.

>The VA is constantly pilloried by the Liberal media.

Example? Remember that "the Liberal media" is not the monolith you think it is. There is significant debate within the liberal community over a wide variety of issues. I know you're used to being told what to believe by Stormfront and then vilifying anyone who dosen't toe the party line, so this concept may be hard for you.

>3) Inflation. Artificially pumping more money into a system causes prices to go up. This is not controversial or under debate anywhere.

Who's giving out free money for college and where were they when I attended it? The majority of college tuition these days is paid by taking on student debt, which is it's own problem, but you wouldn't know.

>
4) Honestly? Talk to someone trying to run one. I know a couple running a store that got harassed and fined repeatedly - the counter was too close to the door, etc. Should I really have to pore over 100's of pages of regulations just to have a small shop somewhere?

I work for a startup and we're not choked with regulations of any kind, federal or otherwise. The one we do have to obey tend to be common-sense labor regulations. You anecdotal evidence is not convincing. It might help to provide evidence of this tax for machine parts, and perhaps a little history on why it was imposed.

>>35448709
Yeah but if you don't fall under Fair Labor Standards Act, as many jobs don't, it doesn't matter.

>>35448857
What like waitresses?

>>35448840
>balkanization to take control
Fucking christ do you not see that is EXACTLY what "social conservatives" are doing with white men?

>>35448900
White people actually switch who they vote for. Dumbass immigrants do not.

>>35448882
Them, salaried workers, independent contractors (1099 abuse is rampant in "low-skill" industries like landscaping) . Obama tried to close a couple loopholes in it but the courts ruled it was executive overreach.

>>35448932
>what is the South
Yes, tons of open-minded white southerners vote Democrat all the time

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>>35448900

>Hillary doesn't need white men, demographics are on our side
>You're covered under our postmodern/Sociology definition of racism so you're automatically racist
>We're all going to be one race in 40 years, Natgeo told me so
>White feminism! Becky! White feminists are clueless
>Oh, there's still a wellspring of stable middle class jobs? Let's fix that with the H1B visa program!
>Fuck all those rustbelt hicks

Why are white people acting threatened and flocking together as a voting bloc like minority groups do?

>>35448981
This is actually their home. Letting in a bunch of random fucks so you can get more votes is wrong. If you can't win over the current population its because YOU are doing something wrong. Don't blame the popolace for your failures.

>>35448993
You're not wrong.
But it's bad when minorities do it but ok and even logical when whites do it?

>>35449030
Who gets to stay in this immigrant-free America?

>>35449030
Keeping people out so you can camp on a voting bloc is equally wrong. Whites should compete on a level playing field with everyone else.

>>35449079
>>35449089
That's a strawman. Or you misinterpreted me. I never said no immigrants are welcome but flooding the country with immigrants is not good.

>>35449030
>we don't want you here because you're not going to vote for us
Maybe try to participate in the marketplace of ideas instead

>>35449130
You retard. They vote for them because they promise to give immigrants free shit. That's basically fucking cheating. Taking advantage of letting in a bunch of 60 IQ retards to win the vote.

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>>35449130

>marketplace of ideas

You do realize that most of your 3rd World serfs hate everything you believe in and are voting to protect their handouts, right?

See how long gay marriage remains a thing once Blacks and MENA people become the majority in a Western European country.

>>35449171

This.

Benjamin Franklin actually warned that citizens voting themselves money would wreck the country in the future.

Liberals purposefully court society's losers. If there was a military service, minimum education level, and/or property requirement to vote we wouldn't have to deal with any of this shit.

>>35449171
>free shit
What, are Republicans going to scrap food stamps and other govt assistance programs?

>>35449237
College-educated people tend to vote Democrat.
But test-based voting is a bad idea because somebody has to write the tests, and we don't even agree on scientific fact around here.

>>35449257

Notice how it's pretty hard to just get NEET bucks you can use on anything and how certain things are banned from SNAP and WIC purchases? And how you might have to do a drug test first? Yeah, thank us Republicans for that. :)

>>35449257
You seriously think it isn't a bad idea to let in MORE people who will need foodstamps and government assistance?

>>35446318
Yep. They have a big say now, and SJWs are old news. It's a never ending cycle.

>>35449316
That's a good thing fag. You realize most people here are wageslaves and that the few NEETs live with their parents right?

All capitalists are entitled by their nature. They run corporations and feel entitled to exploit others as they seem fit.

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>>35446318
>>35447663
>>35446699
>>35446729
>>35448072
>>35449342
why do you SJWs want white people to hate their own race?

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Why can't you faggots just admit Trump is the man of the people and that being of the people in America is actually much more complicated than shitting on rich people or trying(and inevitably failing) at installing communist ideas? Why can't you just admit that true equality is really a bad thing and will never be feasible but it's still possible to have a system that is both workable and it ends up helping people?

>>35449342

>It's a never ending cycle.

On top of that, it exists by design.

Abortion, gay marriage, trannies in bathrooms... all these issues are meant to distract the stupid Goys from corporate bailouts, endless war in the Middle East, mass-surveillance, and other things that the "Liberals" and "Conservatives" both agree on.

>>35449394
They are too caught up in their ideology to care.

>>35448436
they are literally the same, both hate whites and want to import millions of unskilled labor from the third world

>>35447822
Actually, in the Uk socialism is very much a middle class ideology,

>>35449336
On a macro level, immigration is a net positive, not a drain. And no, I don't like the idea that being poor should prevent you from becoming an American.

>you could fight for the economic situation of your own class
>or you could fight to make oligarchs even richer

Kind of amazed it's even a choice desu. Socialism is the only option.

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>r9k gives Bernie sanders all their neet money hoping for a neet friendly future
>Bernie cucks himself for SJWs, sells himself out to Hillary, buys a new home and sports cars with their money
>r9k votes Hillary
>still loses

leftism is an ideology of failure, just look at this white guilt faggot for example (>>35449497)

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>>35449528
Race > Class

>>35449316
Not really.
>"I'm certain that we could embrace as House Democrats some measure of cuts," she said. "I mean, every program can benefit from some savings." - DNC chair in 2013

>>35449386
I'm >>35449342 and it's kinda sad how when I claim that political retardation is rampant on both sides and the pendulum is constantly swinging you label me as one of your alt-left scapegoats just because I could be anywhere to the left of you on the political spectrum.

>>35449537
Nobody with half a brain believed Bernie Sanders was anything but a distraction. Many people still think he was an actual paid plant from the Clinton campaign so that he would build up a bunch of voters and endorse her later as a way of helping her. He never provided anything to his supporters.

>>35449537
Great points

>>35449555

Race is literally a meme that "white" porkies came up with to trick "white" proles into fighting for them. Being white didn't stop you from being a NEET.

>>35449565
Shit, forgot the previous part
>Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, told USA TODAY's Capital Download on Thursday that Democrats are not opposed to food stamp cuts.

>>35446699
This made me laugh good. Do you even understamd the literal mirror irony in what you just said?

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>>35449528
>you could fight for the co-operation of the workers and the businessmen
>or you could fight to destroy class and culture altogether
Kind of amazed it's even a choice desu. Fascism is the only option.

>>35447219

That's not a contradiction, they support free market capitalism in their own country.

all i wish is that it was possible for the country to discuss these things without it getting spun as LIBKEKS WANT TO LET RAPISTS MAKE ALL THE BABIES or ALT RIGHT ARE LITERALLY NAZIS because i both agree and disagree with parts of either side.
but whatever trump is going to collapse the country as we know it in a few years anyway so we'll see what happens. and no not because i'm a liberal, because hes literally doing the exact opposite of "draining the swamp".

>socialists in the early 1900s
>we support the manual workers, the coal miners, the factory workers
>socialists now
>we support middle class college liberal arts majors, hollywood celebrities and muslims

what the fuck happened

>>35449644
Anarcho-Capitalists and Anarcho-Communists have one thing in common: the Anarchist part.

If a businessman wanted to set up shop overseas? who will stop him? The government? That doens't sound very free-market.

>>35449650
>but whatever trump is going to collapse the country as we know it in a few years anyway so we'll see what happens. and no not because i'm a liberal, because hes literally doing the exact opposite of "draining the swamp".
he's created 300,000 jobs in his first month you braindead idiot

>>35446047
> turning point USA
Can't even be bothered to write our own strawmen any more, and unironically post meems written by corporate shills instead. What happened to you, r9k?

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>>35449570
there is no spectrum on the left, you "people" are just one an amorphous blob specifically created to act as puppets for the to 1% you claim to hate
>>35449597
>white pride is bad
>black pride is okay
Why are leftists so suicidal?

>>35449692
That has nothing at all to do with him or his policies. It barely even has anything to do with Obama.

Are you going to sing the Dear Leader's praises when the sun rises tomorrow morning?

>>35449394
>narcissistic boob born with a silver spoon in his mouth
Truly a man of the people

>>35449692
>numbers
>300,000 jobs is normal job growth this time of year
>i didn't even say anything about making jobs
all i meant was that it doesn't feel like politicians are out there helping us out, and trump so far seems to just be letting billionaires into his cabinet. i think american politics is really corrupt, and trump seems so far to be out there continuing the trend.

>>35449750
>nobody did anything
>it just is because it just is
>leaders? why do we need them? I can lead myself. Who needs plumbing? Who needs electricity? I can make that myself if I needed to

>>35449750
>"Confidence is playing a large role," Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics, told CNBC. "Businesses are anticipating a lot of good stuff - tax cuts, less regulation. They are hiring more aggressively."

You are a braindead moron. Less regulations and less taxes actually does mean more employees, regardless of what leftist idiots believe.

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>>35446047

2) and 4) are contradictions because the rich do exactly the things 2) is prohibiting, therefore 4) is absolutely incorrect

/pol/ is retarded yet again

>>35449784
>>300,000 jobs is normal job growth this time of year

>The total shattered market expectations of 190,000, according to economists surveyed by ADP.

>>35449815
ok i still don't care about your point
this is what i was originally talking about, can't even discuss anything because it just turns into a fight off top

>>35449793
What happens when the employees starve to death?
Labor demand<Labor available

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>free-market Capitalists took over /pol/ and now Socialist Commies think /pol/ is fat Capitalist pig
Jesus Christ.
Fascism is the one TRUE political allignment. Everybody else is delusional about absolute equality, Communist and Capitalists.

>>35449712
>he unironically says leftists
Neo-Nazi LARPing is the epitome of autism. Go take a shower.

>>35449867
Fascism and communism are the same thing. They are both far left ideologies.

>>35449867

>I have no brain and I must scream: the post

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>tfw genuinely enjoying this thread
Some good stuff in here

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>>35449895
Is this why Fascist fought to the death fighting against Communists who were funded by the Capitalists?

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>>35449887
thats exactly what you "people" are

>LARPing
lmao, go back to your harry potter club, leftypol

>>35447078
Everyone is entitled to basic services, that doesn't mean they're entitled to have them provided by a particular individual. Can't into basic reasoning?

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>>35449895
Communists and Capitalists literally sitting together and helping each other.

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>>35450034
colorised

>>35450001
So you're saying it's impossible for two groups of people to have similar ideas and goals but still be against one another?

>hurr socialism is when da government is big and taxes me a lot

>>35448058
The Nazis sent socialists to concentration camps you idiot. The Nazis were fascist.

>>35449887
>being a neo nazis is bad
>but black supremacists is fine
just kill yourself if you hate being white, bro

>>35450107
socialists sent other socialists to gulags

>>35450003
>our autists dress slightly differently than your autists
Wow great point, really makes u think

>>35450116
>something I said
>something contradictory that I didn't say
great argument faggot

>>35450143
>"stop hitting yourself! stop hitting yourself!"
>this is literally what you think happened

>>35450171
all leftists hate their own race
>>35450200
why do leftists use such childish language?

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>>35450072
Similar compared to Capitalists, since we care about the working class. Is fighting for working class immoral and against the virtues of God? Is the American constitution GOD'S CONSTITUTION?

'While National Socialism brought about a new version and formulation of European culture, Bolshevism is the declaration of war by Jewish-led international subhumans against culture itself. It is not only anti-bourgeois, it is anti-cultural. It means, in the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state, cultural, and civilizing advances made by western civilization for the benefit of a rootless and nomadic international clique of conspirators, who have found their representation in Jewry.'
- Joseph Goebbels.

>>35450214
>all leftists hate their own race
HURR ALL RIGHTIES WANT TO GENOCIDE JEWS
that's how retarded your statement is

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>>35449895
U.S propaganda about Soviets.

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>>35450270
you people openly fund the black panthers tho

>>35449537
where is this type of shit occurring? Looks like a great fucking time and it makes me feel good to think that people care enough about anything to get in fights like this over it.

>>35446047
FREE HEALTH CARE, FREE HOUSING, FREE FOOD, OPEN BORDERS. THERE ARE NO OTHER ARGUMENTS YOU PRIVILEGED WHITE NAZI.

>>35449712
I'm actually a libertarian but that's cool. Face facts. You're LARPing as a Nazi to be edgy and contrarian so you can feel good about yourself.

>>35450306
>Looks like a great fucking time and it makes me feel good to think that people care enough about anything to get in fights like this over it.
its rly just that people want to fight in my experience, not that they really care bout anything

>>35450317
Classic Liberalism gave birth to modern Liberalism.

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>>35450302
you people openly fund israel and zionist lobbyists tho..

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>>35450317
So I'm a "LARPing nazis" because I refuse to be a white guilt faggot like you?

cool
>>35450364
you'd be calling trump a hypocrite if he didn't

>>35450309
Over 750 million people live in extreme poverty... (less than $1.90 a day)

>>35450393
damn i feel bad for this woman

>>35450421
she needs to be put out of her misery

>>35450489
>kill people who disagree with me
sup reddit

>>35446047
>2) you are not entitled to someone else's hard-earned money... ever

Wait, are capitalists against employers/shareholders/whatever taking the surplus value from workers?

>>35450421
you shouldn't, they are fucking us over on behalf of niggers

>>35450214
It illustrated the childish thing you believe.

>>35450533
im not saying i agree with her but i still feel bad for her

>>35450617
>not hating my own race is childish
wow, you leftist cucks are so wise

>>35446047
>le smug bearded raised eyebrow fais :)
tired of this meme

>>35450643
I was talking about how you think that the Nazis were socialists but they also decided to put people who held socialist beliefs into concentration camps for some reason.

"Hating your race" is such a loaded term. You can own up to the bad things your race has done without hating it.

>>35450393
I hate affirmative action, don't give a shit about race and I don't think any race is entitled to anything or owes anything to anyone. Just because I'm not a racist doesn't mean im a self hating liberal. This is why we don't let you faggots be a part of our civilized society.

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good lumpenproles, distract yourself with idpol while I continue to rob you.

>>35450505
it's not the worst idea

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>>35448143
>other people actually spend their time building business and becoming rich while im sitting in my mom's basement playing video games the system is trash mommmmmyy.

if you born poor its not your fault,if you die poor it is.

>>35450679
>You can own up to the bad things your race has done without hating it.
Why should I own up to anything when you leftists explicitly said i can't taker pride in anything my race has done?
>>35450680
>I hate affirmative action, don't give a shit about race
if so why don't you faggots so anything to remove affirmative action, also the social structure that you SJWs fought do ard to create is crumbling down around you now :)

>>35448317
>Worker controlled factories
If the workers have the ability to sell their stake, control could end up in some bourgs hands eventually. Whoever has something other people want would be able to influence the workers into giving up their profits.

>prices planned
The soft budget line involved here will lead to massive waste.

>direct democratic government
This is likely to lead to lots of retarded policies. The workers won't always vote in what you view as their self-interest.

>>35450687
you lefitsts are the willing and ignorant pawns of your captialist masters

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>>35446047
>most rich people are born into wealth
>muh earn ur moneyy!!
>crapitalists will defend teenyboppers making millions making shitty minecraft lps on youtube

>>35450919
Well then, don't own up to it. Your choice.
>>35450944
What... does that even mean. The one group fighting the capitalists are the tools of the capitalists?

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>>35450816

>>other people actually spend their time building business and becoming rich...

The overwhelming majority of the people who "build the business", i.e. the proletarians, never get rich and in fact work for a tiny fraction of the wealth they create through their labor.

Not even worth replying to, communism will win eventually.

I hate capitalism but equally I have no desire to go along with the feminist, multicultural, pro-immigrant left.

>>35450970
You SJWs are the controlled opposition, you base you ideology of harry potter and star wars, you buy their Iphones, you eat their GMO laden xenestrogen "food" and you believe that you are "fighting the man" by doing so

>>35450983
no one is forcing you to do this kind of jobs.you can start your own business literally right now instead of complaining.phyical labour is made for the dumb people.

>>35451109
>Leftists buy stuff
>As opposed to other political ideologies which don't buy stuff
Isn't the stereotype that leftists are anti-GMO hippies?

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>>35451143
*sips tea* honey...

>>35451121

>you can start your own business literally right now instead of complaining

If you don't have access to the capital, then no, you can't.

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>>35446047
>you are not entitled to someone elses hard-earned money

If they pay taxes then yes you literally are.

The ethical question is what that tax money is distributed into.

>>35451241
your answer just showed me that you belong where you are poorfag.if you dont want to accept my help then die poor.

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>>35451311
>The ethical question is what that tax money is distributed into.

your neetbux

If you support inheritance then you are in fact a socialist too. Inherited wealth is simply socialism by genetic lottery.

>>35451335

You're not helping by repeating blatantly false apologetics.

Communism has been tried and failed.
Do we need to go through it again? I come from a Communist country, and though I don't like Capitalism, Communism was not fun.

>>35451355

Socialism isn't "free shit you didn't work for therefore you don't deserve it you entitled lazy bum". It's about worker or public ownership of the means of production.

That almost all the wealth will get sucked up into the hands of a few powerful families and organizations to be handed down within those groups is the natural result of private ownership of the means of production, as the surplus value of the proletariat's labor goes to the bourgeoisie, who can then use the value the proletariat created to purchase more resources and more labor. Rinse, repeat, pass down to Chad Jr., die.

>>35449394
Best post in thread. Equality is the biggest meme next to free will. Do you losers really think you deserve as much as Chad or Stacy. Fun fact, you don't. They are better genetically, are on average smarter (fitter people are smarter on average) and are more sociable. They are worth more to society than you are. Deal with it.

>>35451554

How do you determine who "deserves" what?

Is it tautological? As in, "if you have it, you deserve it. If you don't have it, you don't deserve it"?

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>>35451458
We've already tried taking the bourgeoisie land and giving it to peasants.
Turns out peasants don't know how to fucking run a business!

>>35446047
Nepotism is just as much of a problem
Any person who has ever appeared on Rich Kids of Instagram should be purged.

>>35451604
Nature decidces. The strong prey upon the weak.

>>35451604
No one deserves anything retard. Think about what you are saying. Does a poor person deserve to be poor? No. Does a rich man deserve to get his life on a silver platter? No. Life is luck and your personality/genetics. If you werent lucky and had the genetics/personality to increase your luck in society you won't gain. That's why life is fucking hard, because it is inheriently unfair from the get go. The only way this changes in my mind is when parents can pick and choose genetically what their kid looks like and their personality traits. At that point when things get brave new world like, is when socialism will trump capitalism both socially and economically.

>>35451663

Then you admit your concept of desert is essentially meaningless. By your standard, everyone gets what they deserve, because "desert" is simply what you get.

It's not really a normal use of the term.

>>35446047
I dont believe in equal outcome but I more than believe in equal opportunity
If someone is making more money than you there is probably a good reason behind that difference
I also feel that people should be given the bare minimum to live off of though, they should be given a very small room, about 10 by 10 feet, a bed, water, and bread. People who need assistance to live shouldn't have any luxuries because that causes them to keep leeching

>>35451774

>If someone is making more money than you there is probably a good reason behind that difference

By "good", do you mean "morally acceptable", or just "causal"?

>>35451774
>be born to wealthy parents
>good reason
or
>have so much money you control how money gets made
>good reason
youre just a wagecuck defending the rothschilds cause youve been indoctrinated by them since childhood so i cant blame you

>>35451805
Not him, but i assume it means they are worth more to society than you are. You either lacked the skills to make it or you lacked the luck, or both. Just remember that you are the remainder after the equation of modern society. Not everyone can benefit or be happy. The poor have their place, and as long as they are a certain minority or and be controlled as such, they don't represent a problem.

>>35451751
The fuck are you on about with desert?
If you're talking about the unfortunate born in the desert then yeah, they deserve it because that's what they got. If they can't take reality they can escape reality through suicide. If they are strong that can force reality to suit their needs by subjecting the weak.

Wind blows, rain falls, and the lion eats the gazel.
You can't fight nature. The Soviets and the CPC already tried it as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign
> first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward in China from 1958 to 1962. The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows.[1] The systematic extermination of sparrows led to an upset of the ecological balance, and enabled crop-eating insects to proliferate.

>>35451898
t. spoiled white boi

>>35451898

>The fuck are you on about with desert?

Desert, as in the noun form of "deserve". You know, like "He got his just deserts".

>If you're talking about the unfortunate born in the desert...

Thanks for the laugh.

>>35451927
I'm from Cambodia. We did Communism.
You're the spoiled White boy who wants to be a revolutionary for some peer approval.

>>35451960
Forcing people to suffer through Communism is no laughing matter.
And yes, people get what they deserve out of sheer luck. You can deal with it or you can kill yourself. There is no utopia.

>>35446047
It goes beyond economics.

Socialism is nihilism taken to the extreme. Some real end-of-history shit. The end of progress and since progress is the only thing that separates us from animals, we can say that socialism is anti-human.

>>35452017

>Forcing people to suffer through Communism is no laughing matter.

Why not? By your standard, the people who suffered under Pol Pot deserved it.

For the record I was simply amused by the conflation of "desERT" (that which one deserves) with DESert (a dry biome).

>>35447044
THIS. The worst part is I don't think it'll ever go away, there will always be masses of brainless ideologues like that...

>>35452017
im not a revolutionary
im just saying that a bit more state control over businesses like in europe wouldnt hurt and if you think that america is so free youre delusional
its just that the government there is almost exclusively made up of corporate puppets that influence businesses just as much as european countries do but not in the interest of the ppl but in the interest of a wealthy few

>>35447061
>>35447730
The Leftist sees and denounces the evil that is in the world. He then proceeds on a campaign to build another world entirely devoid of such evils. But because he cannot, through an act of his will, alter the fundamental character of mankind and of nature, all he accomplishes is to remove the safeguards against those evils. As a consequence he feeds those evils. He wants to rid the world of nuclear arms ( or more accurately, remove the possibility of their use) therefore he decides that all free nations should unilaterally disarm. He wants to live in a world without greed, so he places all of the power into the hands of a single group of rulers who are then free to indulge their personal greed without limitation or restraint .

Utopianism always multiplies what it attempts to eliminate because it ignores the realities of the world. True Conservatism on the other hand is grounded in realism, which means a sober comparison of the present to the past, in order to pursue a measured progress based in prudence. The past is neither something we can afford to ignore, nor something that entirely binds us; it is a guide to the practical action of today.

Reading through this thread is fucking tragic, it's like no one even considers that you can run a stable mixed market economy successfully. No, any public ownership of any infrastructure or service is socialism and therefore evil, any form of tax is unfair (even when you benefited from services derived from taxation) and people certainly shouldn't ever expect help when they suffer an injustice.

It's not socialism to tax and invest, and never has been, it's just being sensible - because otherwise, executing new technologies for the benefit of a nation doesn't happen. Nuclear power plants don't get built, Railway lines don't get laid, water reservoirs never get dug, and we move backwards as a society.

>>35452125
Not all parts of europe are super great like you claim. In fact, the socialist ideologies are destroying those countries, meanwhile countries without those are doing better, like switzerland.

>>35452405
All that shit happens now in the US. No need to change anything.

>>35452535

Switzerland has universal healthcare and a very strong state of unionization of workers, who collectively bargain to secure higher wages.

Collective bargaining is hardly even a thing in the US among the proletariat, and unionization is culturally deprecated.

The majority of Swiss workers have wages kept at a high floor due to the collective bargaining power of their respective unions.