Do you guys think that the patriarchy is the reason why we are

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>>35147373
Punch a man on the street, lets see how people react.

Punch a woman on the street, lets see how people react.

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social justice/feminism is truly the final pill

>>35147373
"Patriarchy" is just a word for feminists projecting themselves onto others, usually men.

>>35147537
Most feminists only care about women. Have you ever seen a feminist say "kill all men"?

>>35147624
is that what /pol/reddit told you?

>>35147650
DAE POL AND REDDITS???

>>35147373
>I honestly think it, that's why I support feminism for they fight the system that keeps my fellow robots down.
like fuck it is

it's WOMEN who reject manlets

>>35147650
don't pretend this doesn't happen dumbass

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>>35147960
don't pretend that the only reason you believe that isn't /pol/reddit constantly shoving cherry picking down your throat retard

>>35148063
D A E P O L A N D R E D D I T S ? ? ? ! ! !

OH FUCK YEAH FUCK ME DADDY

>>35148063
>cherry picking
even the mainstream recognises tumblr feminism is a thing

>>35147373
Oh absolutely, if you do any patriarchal theory reading from anywhere but tumblr it's pretty easy to understand. The biggest issue is that femenist focus on how it affects woman the most, and western victim culture makes them think they have it the worst, when I think patriarchy shits on men more desu.

>>35147482
That is quite literally predicted by patriarchy, men are viewed as being able to handle themselves and if not they're not worth defending, woman are wonderful but weak and need to be defended.

>>35147586
Do some actual reading

>>35147624
Most groups only care about their groups, it's why us robots don't feel happy for woman getting with chad even though it's what they want.

>>35147933
Yea, but it's patriarchal societal pressures(plus biological urges) that tell woman who is desirable. It's why feminist push body acceptance, of as mentioned above they do it primarily for their own group but that's pretty normal. In some ways this is feminisms weakest leg, since it's hard to deny biology playing a big roll.

>>35148351
>Yea, but it's patriarchal societal pressures(plus biological urges) that tell woman who is desirable.
patriarchal society pressures that come entirely from women
>muh biology
not an argument

>>35148426
yes woman exert patriarchal pressure too, everyone does. But you can't deny that men do it too, /fit/'s manlet threads aren't entirely made by woman.

>muh biology
>biology plays no role in attraction

Pretty progressive teebh famalam

No, it comes from a society that doesn't allow for the healthy expression masculine urges. Almost everything that image says about men is true, and our society must control male behavior in order to get the best out of men.

>>35147373
>patriarchy
------>Tumblr

>>35147650
>>35148063
>Everything I don't like is /pol/

I have a book for you

>>35147373
There is no such thing as "the patriarchy"

Women have never been excluded from running society. If only, males only got more protagonism but that's. That's why women took pride in saying "behind a great man there's a great woman". They have always had a saying in everything, they were never opressed.

>>35147373
If the patriarchy is that bad then how come that every time a woman had to run a country they completely ruined it?

>>35147537
wasn't this comic much longer?

>>35147373
Fuck off back to tumblr faggot shill. We know your kind are trying to astroturf this shit.

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>>35149596
yes it was

oh sorry robutt

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>>35149692
damn this comic is beautiful

>>35149266
>society that doesn't allow for the healthy expression masculine urges
what would be healthy expression of masculine urges? what would a society that allows for it look like?

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>>35149701
damn i'm original if i say that i'm original!

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>>35149716
>whaddupp nigguh?
<nah just sating teh algorithms muh nigguh

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>>35149733
>nigguuh shit aboutta make a nigguh cry

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>>35149762
>nigguuh we all just people at the end, we are more the same than we are different nigguuuh

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>>35149779
>nigguuh redpill is just blue pill for dem losers

>>35147373
Patriarchy and feminism are the same thing

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>>35149790
>nigguuh it's the last one i found, damn that's some heart breaking shit tho

>>35149701
This is bullshit. When someone gropes a woman's breast he is gonna get his ass beat. When someone kicks a guy in the balls, people are just gonna laugh at him.

>>35149942
are you really sure about that? i'm pretty sure that seeing someone in really bad physical pain would be really hard for most to see

>>35149692
>>35149716
The reality is totally opposite from what these images based on feminist cultural myths is portraying. Womens' sexuality is celebrated while men are deemed horny perverts and creeps for being attracted to a female no matter how he behaves with women.

>>35147373
I think it's the matriarchy that causes us to be robots.
Over protective women never allowed us to assert ourselves.

>>35149985
i think both of these things are happening, problem is that people treat sexuality as something special and a grand achievement when it's nothing more than sensor stimulation and biochemical reactions in our brains.

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>>35147537
>"the same sexism that hurts women also hurts men"
>left picture: women shitting on betas and fucking chad
>right picture: women shitting on betas and fucking chad

Is this bait? Am I on a ruse cruise?

Patriarchy gives us a CHANCE to succeed, feminism guarantees we won't.

>>35150063
how the hell are you seeing that in the left picture?

>>35149968
Women do not consider the physical pain a problem when it involves male genitalia, which is why male circumcision is still legal, why women who cut off their husbands' penises don't get a serious punishment in courts. Women do not have a penis therefore penis problems are not real since the female understanding of the world is based on how much they can "relate" to something, as you have probably seen from discussions on social issues, movies and video game storylines. It's all about how someone can relate to this and that for women. They lack the ability to feel empathy.

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>feminism holds that men are capable of more -- are more than that
Said no feminist ever.

>>35150105
>why women who cut off their husbands' penises don't get a serious punishment in courts
niggu whut? also i am pretty disconnected from the reality myself but like hell nigguh, you're just fucking insane.

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If patriarchy was an actual thing in the western world I would have a gf by now, feminism just guarantees that if I look at a woman the wrong way I'd go to jail for rape and if I call one an idiot I'd go to jail for harassment.

>>35150207
"After seven hours of deliberation, the jury found Lorena not guilty due to insanity causing an irresistible impulse to sexually wound John. As a result, she could not be held liable for her actions"

>>35147586
This guy nailed it. These women don't understand the process of projection, because they are being taught in their Marxist Universities that everything is a social construct, and that biology doesn't matter.

>>35150253
so she was fucking insane? are you really that stupid?

>men created and are perpetuating a system that holds men down more than women
>this means that all male problems are caused by only men and women are delicate little angels who do no wrong

feminists man, you can't make this shit up

The feminists are absolutely right about the gender roles we're all forced to live under. Their terms are retarded, though. If you put all the things only men have to deal with into a box, and put all the things women have to deal with into another box, if one box is bigger that doesn't make it a fucking patriarchy.

>>35147373
The patriarchy is just an excuse a bunch of land whales use to explain why they get shit pay and why no one wants to fuck them. Hasn't existed for ages now.


Also I see quite a big number of feminists proclaim their misandry so that pic related is quite retarded.

>>35150305
Are you stupid? She cut off her husband's penis . Of course she was insane. Yet she was found not guilty because apparently he didn't sexually satisfy her. Psychopaths like her should be in prison for life.

>>35150355
where the hell did that even say that sexual satisfaction caused that? it's literally the same if some husband was insane and cut off his wife's breasts

>>35149790
It's shameful for anyone to be weak what the fuck why do SJWs promote shitty behaviors in people?

>>35150455
tell me, why it's shameful? are they even that weak? they may be pretty strong but only reveal their delicate side.

>>35149704
It would understand the differences between men and women and shape it's institutions around that fact. Men and women would have entirely different sets of laws to adhere to. It would also understand how these differences can be used to better society. Even if gender was entirely a social construct, the reproductive differences between men and women necessitate require them to occupy different positions in society.

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>>35147373
The sexual liberation pushed by feminists is why we are robots. Fucking roastie shill leave.

>Do you guys think that the patriarchy is the reason why we are robots?

No it's the void left by the absence of religion. The culture we have now is decadent, materialistic and without a proper moral compass. Eventually we will find a new set of social norms that will restore sanity.

For example Chinese people aren't very religious, yet they have a sort of what we would identify as social conservatism when it comes to relationships. You know, sanity.

>>35150512
It is shameful because it reveals emotional immaturity.

OK to be intellectually honest: there are two types of feminism.

There is the original feminism that is essentially a branch of socialism and then there is this sort of pick and choose feminism that exists today.

I think both of them are harmful.

>>35150539
but men gravitate toward physically active and sometimes dangerous jobs and people here complain about it, saying it's unfair to men. they say men are pushed into military service because they are disposable. how do you feel about it? do you think they are naturally attracted to it and better suited for it than women?

and you didn't really explain "healthy expression of masculine urges" like i asked about. you just went on to say that men and women are different.

are you saying that men should be legally allowed to be physically aggressive because of their natural inclinations? i'm not sure what you mean when you say different sets of laws should apply

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>>35150455
what do you consider weakness?

men are shamed as being weak for having any emotions, let alone showing them. that's not emotional immaturity, that's being human.

>>35147373
no, the reason we're robots is because women have been given more an more power in society to the point where women as a whole have more power than men as a whole
women are still allowed to have all the advantages in dating and relationships, along with legal advantages and reproductive advantages, while losing whatever disadvantages they had in careers and financial situations.

since femininsts all hate men, and want female supremacy, this is the end goal for them

>>35150672
current mainstream feminism still resembles socialism.

>>35150715
it is the self-indulgent hysteria of a child. hyper-sensitive crybabies. this behavior should be rewarded.

>>35149704
it would allow for more physical activity in school and have breaks for physical activity between classes
the current schooling system doesn't allow for that and wants guys to act like broken and defective girls and sit down and memorize all this shit

women are also better at straight memorization while guys are better with active participation. A system that is truly equal would have classes suited to both of these and allow boys to apply the knowledge from the lectures directly before moving onto the next topic so they can retain it better

>>35150727
>since femininsts all hate men, and want female supremacy, this is the end goal for them
female supremacy is not the same as feminism. if male rights activists were willing to accept that some feminists care about improving society for everyone, then their united front would overshadow the radical man hating feminists. it's in their interest to work together for common goals because greater numbers equal greater political power.

>>35150818
no feminists care about men lol
the definition of feminism is that it's an advocacy group for WOMEN's rights.
they couldn't possibly care less about circumcision, family court issues, male reproductive rights, men's health issues, or men's body issues

the entire movement is a big "gimme" movement as shown by when the US government said women need to sign up for the draft now. they don't even have to go into combat and they were freaking out because they don't want actual equality.

>>35150762
>it is the self-indulgent hysteria of a child. hyper-sensitive crybabies. this behavior should be rewarded.
what?

>>35147373
It's not the patriarchy that suggests men are stupid and monolithic, it's the response to feminism that was developed by comedy through the 20th century.

In the 50's TV men were like the father in 'Father Knows Best'. This continued for a while until Cheers, The Simpsons, The Fresh Prince and a few others (depending on where you live) showed up.

Then in the early 2000's it spread like wildfire. Futurama, Family Guy, TBBT, Friends, How I met your mother, etc etc. Where the masculine characters were all dumb as a bag of rocks because it was funny. Dumb women however were not because it looked vaguely like 50's style sexism.

If one were to blame current western culture (note not patriarchy, women contribute to this culture too) for anything it would be the corruption of something aiming to produce a more equal society into something that has reduced half the population's expectation of their own gender's benefits to society into little more than muscle.

>>35150934
I meant to say should not be rewarded. It was a typo.

>>35150818
That's egalitarianism anon. Feminists have been man hating for quite some time now.

>>35150981
i wasn't talking about being a hyper sensitive crybaby. obviously, that's not good for men or women. but men can't have any emotions? a man can't talk to a friend about how shitty he feels when he loses his job and be emotionally supported?

>>35150992
there are strains of feminism that hate men. you can't paint an entire movement with a single brush. most people hear about tumblr level feminism because their exposure to "feminist" ideas is generally only from the internet. i'm not saying that there aren't feminists who hate men and want to dominate society but female supremacy doesn't represent all feminist thought any more than r9k represents all of those who advocate for men's rights.

No it's not patriarchy. Patriarchy is bullshit.

Feminists are evil hateful supremacists. Hate them so much.

Men are discrimminated against because that's how it is, and no one cares.

>>35151171
>a man can't talk to a friend about how shitty he feels when he loses his job and be emotionally supported?

he can. but he cannot force people not to see him as the weak person he is.

>>35151171
All feminists who actually do anything are supremacists, at least the great majority. People who identify as feminists but never do anything may not be, but if they speak in favour of feminism and read feminist theory, it's extremely likely that they are supremacists.

It's the feminists who protest against men's rights to DV shelters. Feminists support lower sentences for women for the same crime. Feminists always spread evil stereotypes about men. Feminists attack and speak hate against men simply for being men. And I'm sick of them always explaning to other people what they are actually thinking.

>>35148351
>Do some actual reading
Write some actual material. Not that pseudoscience bullshit

>>35150409
No man has ever been crazy enough to do that.

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>>35147373
So this is bait. No one can be this retarded

>>35151171
There may be feminists who do actually have a brain, but the wide majority (or at least the ones who actually do things instead of whine on tumblr all day) are indeed supremacists. Tons of feminists have expressed misandry in some way, shape, or form.
And let me ask, what need is there for feminism in a first world country? And don't give me that wage gap bullshit, as that is a complete lie. Women aren't treated any differently already from men, in fact a lot of times they get much better treatment than the men, a very good example (one of many) being things like divorce courts where the men will get completely fucked over. But in places like the Middle East and whatnot, where women are forced into marriage, have to undergo forced circumcision, and get acid and shit thrown at their faces, feminists are all of a sudden all quiet on those issues.

>>35151289
it's not weak and i wholeheartedly believe that it's people like you who push men into suicide because they feel that they have no place to turn when they are truly hurting. i honestly find your point of view sickening.

perceptions of masculinity are changeable and advocating for upholding stereotypes that harm men is wrong. there is absolutely nothing wrong with emotion. being able to process emotion and move past it will allow a man to fulfill all of his responsibilities without also making him feel dead inside. there is no reason not to support that.

>>35151313
maybe you're right but have you considered that there are many feminists who agree with me and they don't get involved with this activism because they don't agree with the vocal activists who advocate for unfair policies? this is why i think there needs to be a union of feminists and men's rights advocates who work together for policies that work toward helping both genders. i have looked online in the past for something like it and could not find anything. maybe it exists by now but i don't know.

>>35151171
you can paint an entire movement with a single brush when their most famous active members are that way. If feminism isn't about hating men, they should have no problem kicking out those radicals and steering their message back on course

but they won't because they really do deep down love the misandry and female supremacy angle

>>35151577
I'm not bullying anyone. If someone came to me for emotional support, I would think this person needs to grow up. I understand very well that some people never do grow up, but remain in an infantile state of hypersensitivity.

>>35151577
That's like saying that the KKK isn't racist because a few of its members don't fully hate black people. MANY feminist leaders have been complete supremacists in every sense of the word. Just look at some of the shit Margaret Thatcher spewed, or better yet take a gander at some of these quotes said by feminists: https://www.google.com/amp/thoughtcatalog.com/jake-fillis/2014/05/23-quotes-from-feminists-that-will-make-you-rethink-feminism/amp/

I'm not talking about people like Sojouner Truth or anything, I'm talking about people who actively hate men, which make up the bulk of feminists. And you'd think feminists who supposedly think that's wrong would speak up about it more.

>>35151577
Most people who identify with the MRM or as MRAs are sexist. They have some points, but way to much of how they speak is overflowing with hate for women and a wish for male supremacy. You may find some decent people, and some may be easy to turn away from their sexism, but as a whole, way too many MRAs are male supremacists for a dialogue to work.

Feminists are a diverse group, but all community leaders and feminists in power are also supremacists who put women first, then women, and men only if it advantages women. Feminism as a whole is incompatible with equality. And they have very little interest in working with people who work for men's rights, because feminists have a monopoly and are the ones in power. It would hurt their power and their case to help men. And many of the things that help men would hurt women, so they are fundamentally against it. For example, feminists fight against men's right to DV shelters because they worry that it'd mean less money for women, in other words indirectly hurting women. This is an example that people who support men's rights and feminists are directly against each other, and this happens in a lot of places.

There are some minor areas where the goals are shared, for example paternity leave is something that could be in interest of both, men because it gives them right to see their children, and women because it lowers men's value on the labour market, making women more likely to get employed. But cases like this is rare, and for the most part, feminists and mens rights activists would be fighting against each other.

Feminists hate men. They despise us. If you support feminism you support misandry.

Case closed.

>>35151783
i never said you were bullying anyone. that's not the issue. the issue is that you perceive someone as weak for responding to pain by feeling pain. that's irrational and it harms people. just because someone taught you that you need to pretend not to feel doesn't mean that we should continue doing that.

i do think weakness exists. i think that giving up completely when faced with a challenge is weakness. i have been guilty of this weakness but part of that happening was probably because i have been so isolated. i think that people can live up to challenges better when they have emotional support. even in the military, supposedly the ultimate in masculinity, brotherhood and camaraderie is what helps men cope with extreme circumstances. knowing that someone else is suffering like you are suffering helps people cope.

why shouldn't men be allowed to express their suffering in daily life? every man who feels pain but pretends that he doesn't feel pain gives other men who feel pain an increased sense of isolation and inadequacy. emotions are natural and they must be dealt with somehow. i think it's better to have a friend you can commiserate with than to do drugs, drink excessively or end up killing yourself like so many men do. we don't need to treat men like machines. they're human beings and their feelings are valid and never a sign of weakness.

yes, you have to solve your problems on your own but it's always nice to know that you're not alone in your struggles.

question: why are you here on /r9k/?

>>35152016
>that's not the issue. the issue is that you perceive someone as weak for responding to pain by feeling pain

what? you are speaking complete gibberish. I don't have time to listen to weak emotional crybabies who FEEL distressed because their boyfriend broke up with them.

I don't bully them or anything, but I sure am hell is not going to change my opinion of them.

>>35152085
nothing i said was gibberish at all. maybe you're just an idiot and that's why you can't defend your opinion other than saying how you (irrationally) FEEL about them.

>>35152218
your post is honestly a bunch of nonsense. the kind of shit you would expect a stupid roastie like yourself to concoct.

I don't want to waste my time engaging you in debate, since you are too stupid to comprehend simply being in command of yourself.

Men are not like roasties. They don't need a support group of cheer-leaders to express how bad they feel for you, every time something doesn't go your way.

You are weak. A weak pathetic roastie beef sandwich.

>>35150685
>but men gravitate toward physically active and sometimes dangerous jobs and people here complain about it, saying it's unfair to men.
That's only a result of a feminized society telling young men that both men and women are equal and that manual labor is bad.
>they say men are pushed into military service because they are disposable.
The stigmatization of military work by the left (feminists included) is a major part of the feminization of society. If men were disposable, we would just get rid of them, and we wouldn't waste our time and resources on the military if its members were merely disposable. The problem with the men's rights people who have advanced this type of rhetoric is that they internalized the values of a feminine society.

>and you didn't really explain "healthy expression of masculine urges" like i asked about. you just went on to say that men and women are different.
>are you saying that men should be legally allowed to be physically aggressive because of their natural inclinations?
It really depends on what you mean by being physically aggressive. If you mean being senselessly violent, then no. I think the penalties for something like assault should be much higher. society should merely organize its institutions in such a way that it channels this aggressiveness into something productive. It should also encourage a certain sexual aggressiveness by men towards women, but should be harsher in its punishments when that aggression becomes physical/

>>35152331
you can be in command of your actions and in order to do that, you need to be in command of your emotions. this can be accomplished by commiserating with others who are suffering.

>They don't need a support group of cheer-leaders to express how bad they feel for you, every time something doesn't go your way.
men and women don't need this. no one wants pity. what people want is to know that other people have experienced what they are experiencing and gotten through it.

men have emotions and sometimes they have a hard time dealing with them. it's probably why you're here right now.

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>>35147373
>feminism
Kill yourself, numale.

>>35152532
Yes, people have emotions, but there is no reason to sit around an wallow in them. If you want to do that, then that's your business, but if you want my reassurance, that you are right to do so, you can quite frankly go to hell.

I do not come here to share my emotions in some pseudo-therapy session. I come here to be entertained and maybe have a conversation with another intelligent person like myself.

>>35152672
>maybe have a conversation with another intelligent person like myself.
i'm entertained

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>>35147373

Nice originally bait you hypocritical chadsucking whore

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>>35147373

Stupid whore, in future your mouth will only open when a dick decides to use it.

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>>35150818

>if male rights activists were willing to accept that some feminists care about improving society for everyone, then their united front would overshadow the radical man hating feminists.

Feminists need men to defend feminists from feminism. I swear I'm going to piss my pants

Nope. My problem is I had no male role model in my life. I needed someone to encourage me by telling me to be a man but I never got it. I realize that now, I grew up in the shitty feminized world when I was in need of a masculine role model to let me get over my fears and anxieties.

>>35147373
You're a robot because you're a loser, and you support feminism because you hope that by virtue signalling someone will be one day desperate enough to sleep with you.