Why the fuck would you waste thousands of dollars getting a useless

Why would I care about spending other people's money.

>>35011234
>not doing a degree in something you love and then doing a law conversion

Fucking STEM pleb.

Many jobs require a degree, regardless of what it's in. It's a way for them to filter out brainlets and poorfags.

Plus, debt is a spook. It doesn't real. You can go your whole life without paying those loans, what are they going to do? Repossess your education?

>tfw wasted 3k bongdollars doing 1 year of a game design meme course
Thank fuck i sort of came to my senses after 1 year

>>35011234
Hey

Hey dude, can I borrow 'You don't mess with the Zohan'?

>>35011276
They could legally seize your house, car, your belongings and banked cash along with tanking your credit rating

>>35011234
Impressionable teenagers are told by their baby boomer parents that they should persue what they love and it will all work out because any college degree was enough to get a job with a decent enough wage to support a family in their day. I feel bad for the gen x people who listened to their parents and ended up working at Starbucks, but millennials have no excuse after witnessing their failures. Either get a market relevant science or business degree or don't bother wasting time and money in college.

>>35011276
Get on a payment plan. 12-15% of your income for 25 years. It's a lot, but as long as you don't default it's no more than most people pay in religious tithes. A degree can help you gain job mobility so you can switch when your boss turns into an asshole (inevitably) which gives you a sense of freedom.

>ywn lick those feet and then have that fat pig-woman sit on your face

>>35011324
I don't have any of that anyway.

If I had income to pay for that stuff I'd be able to pay the loans too wouldn't I?

>>35011234
DVD collections look so fucking unaesthetic, my god. Digitize that shit and make a media server or stuff it in a closet.

>>35011234
Who cares? You're going to die like all the rest of us, and nobody will care about your STEM degree when the Sun has baked the Earth into dust.

>>35011386
>it's no more than most people pay in religious tithes.
Nobody gives 10% to their church.

>>35011234
In my case it's because I literally can't feel happy working with something other than what I love. And believe me I've tried.

So I have to options: Study and start working in something that's "useful" and pays well for a few months before I commit suicide.

OR, study and work with something that brings me joy.

I'd prefer to stay alive

>>35011470
Who told you that you're supposed to be happy?

That's not how things work kiddo.

>>35011518
>good goyim slave away for your jew boss, you're not supposed to be happy!

Political Science hasn't taught me any useful skills and I studied it for year. Don't include that

>>35011518
Oh no my world is crumbling before me:(

>>35011549
I'm not talking about that.

Happiness is not important. Not only in relation to employment, but life in general. Making happiness a life goal is the incorrect approach.

>>35011234
>Nonstems should kill themselves for being parasitic wastes of life

Information Technology called, it says you're a fucking moron.

>>35011588
>Making happiness a life goal is the incorrect approach
Then what should be your life goal? Making money? How capitalistic of you.

>>35011588
Guess that's one way of justifying a pointless existence

>>35011359
>Either get a market relevant science or business degree or don't bother wasting time and money in college.

Most hard science degrees are worth dick these days. Good luck finding a well paying job with a bachelor's degree in chemistry/physics/math/bio. You probably need at least a master's if not a PhD to get any value out of those fields.

Business degrees are also quite useless. Go ahead and put an MBA from a run-of-the-mill school on your resume and see how much difference that makes.

> I feel bad for the gen x people who listened to their parents and ended up working at Starbucks, but millennials have no excuse after witnessing their failures.

Gen Xers who went to college faired at least noticeably better than their counterparts who didn't attend college. The ones who attended college found good paying jobs during the telecom and tech boom.

That's no longer true for the millennial crowd - once you factor in IQ, work ethic, and ambition- it's very likely college has a negative return on investment.

>>35011408
Bank's always going to find a way to ram you up the ass if you don't pay, that's what they do and they are entlitled to do it.
Debt is not a spook, loans are extremely useful to start businesses up and keep those that are not going so well afloat.

>>35011234
>why
because high school didn't prepare them for work so they think college is the next step
>useless degree
they are ALL useless. if you're bright enough to get a job right out of college with a degree in physics or economics, then you could have gotten one with any degree. the issue you should talk about is how much those people get paid right out of college and what their prospective competition is like moving up the ladder. if someone is in computer science and wants to write code, he's going to have to go through hell. same thing with med school grads. but the reward is a lot higher too.

anyway, they are all useless. nothing in math or econ or engineering classes teach you real skills, and the fundamentals you can get from any relevant book later within a few months. you learn real skills on the job. you should know which job you want to work toward, but if it's admin or service then you can do literally anything in college.

>wastes of life
college is a very fun and unique experience that exposes you to people who are there to learn and grow. unless you already have a way to meet people and take responsibility for your life, it doesn't matter how much debt you'll take on, you should try it out. not everyone can make it in STEM. i agree that lazy people who don't move on to work their debts off and become productive are dog shit and should be kicked out, but that's not a problem of universities. anything you need to know about life's consequences and lessons is a google search away.

>>35011234
everybody laugh at the solid-C student compsci major who will never, ever get a job

>>35011234
i want to give that big butt an oily massage

anyone else?

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I want to be a policy adviser like this guy working in washington. it just feels cool. if nothing I'll fall back on teaching or something

>>35011408
>I don't have any of that anyway.
so you have literally nothing hut a degree and tons of dept?
wow life sure looks bright for you. I guess getting all those loans you never have to pay off was a good idea

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>>35011324
But what if I don't own anything?
Checkmate spooks

>>35011717
>anything you need to know about life's consequences and lessons is a google search away.

Patently false. A degree could be in demand today but not in demand 4.5 years from now. You have no way to predict the future state of the job market (if you can predict the future state of the market, you should be using that money to place speculative bets on the financial markets).

>i agree that lazy people who don't move on to work their debts off and become productive are dog shit and should be kicked out, but that's not a problem of universities.

If you can't pay off a debt you should be able to default and go bankrupt. Donald Trump has filed for bankruptcy and he's the president, Corporations can go bankrupt, why can't a 23 year old kid file for bankruptcy? Why is it moral for a 23 year old to be stuck with 100k worth of student debt - most of that money is going to greedy school administrators and vanity projects for the college.

>>35012040
Do you like not owning anything apart from a piece of paper that says your edumacated?

>>35011736
>being this insecure

hahaa

>>35011234
Was a mechanical engineering major for 3 years, switched to physics and got my bachelors in it.

Hated every second I spent in STEM. Fell for the meme and did it because I made decent grades in my AP physics/calc classes and because US News & World Report has engineering's cock in its mouth. Just wasn't me. I wasn't that good at it and I was miserable doing it.

Transitioned to humanities/social sciences in grad school and was much happier and found greater success.

If it's your thing, more power to you and congrats on your field having its moment in the sun. My experience is that it's a waste of your time to spin your wheels on an endeavor that you simply don't have ability in and that you don't value just because other people do.

>>35012251
thats a pretty pathetic comeback, even for a braindead codemonkey that failed all his english classes

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>>35011234
>"waste thousands of dollars getting a useless degree"
>education isn't free where he lives

*wheeze*

>>35011254
>not loving a STEM subject
Fucking brainlet pleb

>>35011234
is this BRAAAAAPPP general?

>>35011421
Read Nietsche as well, fedoralord?

>>35011324
But Loan Forgiveness

>>35012310
>he thinks Stem in college is indicative of what a career will be like

Your career in a major like Engineering will be easier than your college years because most of the time you'll be filing reports and plugging shit into a computer program. Stem in college is supposed to be rigorous to make sure you're qualified enough for your b.s

>>35012738
>free
You're just wasting other people's money, then.

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Is computer science a meme degree?

>>35012738
>free education

Sounds like a joke unless it's a good university with a weeder program but then again, thats what scholarships are for.

>>35012311
>failing any university english course

Well at least you admitted you are retarded

>>35013052
It's spelled "Nietzsche" :^)

I have a stem degree and I'm going to a neetbux interview on Friday.

What do you say to that, fag?

>>35013252
>failing any university english course
yeah, it is pretty pathetic somebody could fail one of those, huh? how exactly did you manage that, codemonkey?

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>>35013401
>he didnt network while in uni to get a comfy internship which could then be used as a stepping stone to a job after college

Laughing at your life, fampaimilia

>>35011234
UK-uck here.

Because that cash paying for it isn't mine YET, so it's easier to feel detached about the costs. The monthly payments are a lot easier to accept than looking at the lump sum. Also, normies are selling the "best time of your life" meme -- I hated it. But without it, I'd be a lot more limited in my job search

>tfw humanities courses are a joke in my university

>Ace all my GEs and humanity electives with As but failed/did not pass my STEM prereqs

Am I retarded?

>>35013437

If I were a social butterfly I don't think a stem degree would have helped me either. I would just waltz into a high paying job right after high school.

If you have people skills, you don't need a degree. If you don't have them, a degree won't help you.

Unfortunately for what I wanted, I had to have a degree. Nonetheless, I was a a little withdrawn during high school, so I focused on academics and got a full ride. College may have been a bit lonely at tines, but at least I finished my stepping stone without debt.

>>35013519
It isn't that binary.

>>35011280

I wanted to do a shitty games design course, but came to my senses and did accounting instead.

>>35013519
>He fell for the "You dont need people skills in Stem" meme

Really, you are cracking me up here anon.

How does one get into the game industry? It seems like a giant fucking industry with thousands of codemonkeys, project managers, artists etc working in it yet I hardly ever hear anyone irl ever say they want to pursue a career there. Not even in my CS department.

>>35013672
>How does one get into the game industry?

You become an indie dev and make your own games in your spare time

In your professional time you work as a software developer for a real company and earn twice as much as cucks at EA/Blizzard, work half as much as cucks at EA/Blizzard, have a better work/life balance than the cucks at EA/Blizzard and have a much more respectable CV/Resume than the cucks at EA/Blizzard

>>35013729
That sounds horrible. And yet the games industry is so big. Who makes up the majority of the workforce these days? Pahjeets? Poor college codemonkeys?

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>tfw there are actually women who pay for a degree in gender studies

>>35011234
Math is boring for me, I'm not some autist who's fascinated by numbers
I can understand it, it's not hard. It's just fucking boring

>>35013975
>math is boring

>boring

School isnt supposed to be fun, you inept manchild.

>>35013531
Military?

Organic chemistry

>>35011234
I dual majored in Poli Sci and Econ but honestly I think your question is kinda fucked because 18 year olds graduating high school can't possibly understand the gravity of a decision like their major when they used to have to ask permission to use the bathroom 6 months earlier.

It's such an unreasonably huge leap in decision making that I am surprised you're surprised that not all of them make entirely calculated profit minded decisions.

>polisci
>useful

Lol'd

Even econ is useless unless you do a lot of statistics

Is Architecture STEM?

>>35015273
No unless you have a math minor

I'm a pol sci student and last year all guys who graduated went straight to Brussels, to do either lobbying or work for some EU institution. Guess it depends on the prestige of your uni.

>>35012856
>loving a subject packed to the gills with spergs and Chads
Normie detected!

>>35011401
Wanna do a group suicide bro ? ;_;

>>35011253
this, the gubberman pays for my uni and gibs me monies to use while in uni.

Psychology
So I have a better grasp of what social engineers are capable of than a fucking autist like you ;)

>>35015381
Most of them will be out of work after the EU collapses, within the next two years.

>did arts degree
>now have an interesting well paid job that I enjoy
Enjoy your boring job faggot

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>>35011234

Are you some kind of non-scientific retard?

>all people get stem degrees
>supply of people with stem degrees is over-saturated
>demand for scientists and demand for burger flippers remains same as always
>everyone flipping burgers has stem degree
>you cry on internet "oh why did i spend tens of thousands on this useless stem degree??"
>you could have been the greatest artist on earth
>the only artist
>you could have made millions
>but you didn't pursue that art degree, anon

So instead of an artist you're an autist that can't logic.

>>35015910
brb being the only artist when there are millions of art grads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g_EheqtAOw

>>35011588
>Happiness is not important. Not only in relation to employment, but life in general.

>I can't feel happiness so I'll "sour grapes" on people who can
Expected nothing less from a STEM elitist.

>>35011386
Fuck that I'm not paying shit for that long

>>35016233
The mortgage you're inevitably going to have disagrees.

>>35011588
>happiness is not important
I think you're the one who wasted your money.

>>35015623
It wont. It will go to shit, but it wont collapse. Not until Germany and France decide to leave. And they wont. Le Pen has almost zero chance to win, in France it works pretty much Le Pen vs everyone else. Thats why her candidates are good in first rounds, and always burn up in the second.

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Can someone convince me to continue my STEM degree?

All this math is taking it's toll and I'm starting to realize the pay off isn't going to be a great as I thought it would

>>35016366
What sub-major (ECE, mech, etc.)?

>>35016366
Do you have any internships lined up?

>>35013052
>STEMfag has literally no idea what Nietzsche's philosophy is about
"a-atleast i can do math better than you!"

I really don't understand the internet's obsession with STEM like they're the hardest and most amazing thing in the world. What sort of job are you going to get with a science degree seriously? I.T. and Computer science sure but that could be automated or offshored to Pajeet sooner than ever. Engineering is pretty cool but I honestly don't see that many jobs advertised and same for Mathematics.
I think STEM is a meme because in a few years it's cult following online is going to tell a whole generation of high school kids to study STEM and then it's going to be super saturated.
I guarantee in 4 years time STEM degrees will be the next psychology degrees.

Even outside business there are plenty of good degrees: Anything health related (Dentistry, medicine, nursing, specialist health like radiology), surveying is another good one too.

>>35013052
Nietschze argued that life was worth working for

Fucking pleb

>>35016913
>I think STEM is a meme because in a few years it's cult following online is going to tell a whole generation of high school kids to study STEM and then it's going to be super saturated.
I agree so much with this. The propaganda game was real when I was in HS.

I'm a psych major and ironically with grad school I'll be in better shape than many STEM majors. The BLS Occupational Handbook as psychologists as growing like 18% or so in the next ten years. The average is like 7-8%. Psych just gets shit because it's popular and STEM-fags don't seem to realize grad school is a thing.

>>35011588
Nigger, I'm the biggest nihilist on the block, but if it wasn't for those lone moments when life doesn't completely suck balls, then I'd be long dead, swinging from a random branch in a nearby forest.

>>35016913
You'd be surprised what people with more theoretical degrees like Maths and Physics can do. Lots of us in Finance, Computer areas, Data science, a bunch of stuff. being able to formulate problems in mathematics and being able to solve it is very useful.

>>35015910
>everyone flipping burgers has stem degree

All the baristas and waiters/waitresses I've met have shit tier liberal arts degrees

>>35017248
And all the STEM people I've met earn $200k/year. It's true, because I said so.

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>>35016913
>I really don't understand the internet's obsession with STEM like they're the hardest and most amazing thing in the world.

We can go into long rants on the reasons why the economy is so shitty but suffice it to say it's partly a result of the cyclical nature of economies, and partly a result of government policy.

That being said people have a desperate need to find a scapegoat.

The whole STEM meme thing is a way for baby boomers to shift the blame onto the younger generation.

Before they were saying: "Don't be lazy, go to college. Any degree is a good degree."

This was actually true up until the mid 80s. I don't think you even needed a high school diploma in the 1950s to have a good factory job that could support a family. The combination of a slowing economy and credential inflation meant that was no longer the case.

As the amount of opportunity gradually narrowed, the criterion "for not being lazy" also narrowed. Nowadays you basically have to get into medical school or something to have good career prospects. STEM is almost a dead end that leads to academia just like the humanities.

The reason for this is that companies used to train their employees so even if someone didn't have the exact qualifications, companies hired bright people and trained them in specific tasks they needed to be performed - this also goes back to what I said earlier about the slowing economy. When the economy slowed the first thing companies downsized were the training departments. Now companies want exact fits to a position with experience using the exact software they're using.

Sorry I rambled a bit but I hope this answered your question.

>>35017446
>STEM is almost a dead end that leads to academia just like the humanities.

If you dont network and apply for internships, that may be the case.

>>35017446
What's the best course of action the if the debt meme and stem meme are dead ends

>inb4 tradecuck

>>35017827
STEM isn't just engineering though. A lot of people when they hear STEM they think of mechanical or electrical engineering but those are only two STEM majors.

The vast majority of STEM majors that lead almost entirely to academia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branches_of_science

Even with ME and EE you have to network take part in extracurricular, apply to internships, keep your gpa > 3.5. It's become extremely competitive. There's a lot of unemployed engineering majors where I'm from. One guy I know went to dental school because he couldn't find a job with an engineering degree.

I majored in music education and teach orchestra at a high school.

I make money doing what I love fuck off STEMfag

>>35018014
>couldn't get a job with an engineering degree
>smart enough to get into dental school
Lol wat?

>>35011234
Because "meme degrees" are incredibly useful if you go to the right university and network well.
The average STEM autist has a hard cap on his salary somewhere in the low 6 figure area, slaving away in a job he ends up hating.
Meme degree into masters in law or masters in a specialized meme field + nepotism is a far more comfy and lucrative route.
You have to be good with people which rules STEM nerds out.

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Why don't robots believe in tax payer supported public colleges?

>>35011234
STEM only matters if you get BS degree. A lot of people get bachelors of arts degrees in shit like chemistry or bio but find out it's worthless. BAs in STEM only exist so women can say they know science

>>35018335
>>35018314
>You have to be good with people which rules STEM nerds out

Here's the thing. It wasn't always this competitive.

It used to be the case that if you had an engineering degree you'd find a job even if you were a mediocre at best graduate. These days you have to standout. So there's a tremendous oversupply of engineering graduates especially where I'm from.

Here's a thread I found recently about an engineering grad with good grades, internships, struggling to find an entry level position

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/chemical-engineering-very-bad-option-ontario-2070267/

>>35018665
The problem he has isn't competition. It's that he isn't Chad. STEM is like anything else in life. Chads always win. There are studies showing that ugly men in science related careers do poorly

>>35011588
>happiness isn't a life goal

it's literally THE ONLY FUCKING LIFE GOAL

what planet are you on nigga

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Guys I don't understand

STEM or no STEM make up your mind autists

I don't want to be a wagecuck like mommy

>>35019465
they're all wagecucks, STEM and non-STEM

it's just a question of whether you can be a wagecuck and afford a BMW and a roastie to nag you, spit out children, and divorce you, and a mortgage in a mediocre suburb (STEM)

or if you're a wagecuck who comes home to a rented apartment and drinks alone (liberal arts)

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>no degree in stem field
>pulled just under 175k last year

feels good man

>>35018358
thats how it work in my country, i only need to pay $25 each semester :)

>>35011253
>>35015579
This is why the west is failing

>>35019710
and what country is that?

>>35011763
Why yes, I'd love an oily butt massage.
Thank you.

>>35011588
unless you are LITERALLY a robot.
shut the fuck up

>>35018369
>BAs

Who even falls for this meme? High school teachers?

>>35019573
hey. I dropped out of high skool and I make $350k a year. East shit bub.

>>35011234
>Why the fuck would you waste thousands of dollars getting a useless degree that isn't Stem or useful like Economics or Pol Sci (if going to Law school)?

I agree that people should have plans in their life and should strive towards something.

but quantifying what is and is not useful is harder than you might suspect. And there are many people who end up getting "useful" degrees but do nothing with their lives.

Who is to say what is and is not a useful degree? Is an animation degree useless if it leads to a job at Pixar? Is a Japan studies degree useless if it leads to being a policy advisor in a international relations think tank down the road? Is an art history degree useless if it leads to a job as a curator at MoMA?

The degree you get isn't an end all be all decider for what you are going to do with your life and how successful you are going to be. Hard work and tenacity are much more important. People with all kinds of degrees have been successful, the difference is not what degree they got but what they did with them. The difference is that some people had a plan and worked to make it a reality.

You are aware of one path that econ and polsci students could take to be successful - every major has similar paths. However, I will concede that some students will have to work much harder than others to be successful. I don't think that should be grounds for discouraging people to pursue the major they are interested in, however, as long as they plan realistically and appropriately.

A music major who thinks he is gonna be in the billboard top 40 after graduation is an idiot. A gender studies major with no real plan what to do after graduation is an idiot.
But a music major who has interned in a production studio and intends to work there after graduation is not an idiot. A gender studies major who has interned at the Williams institute and is going to law school after graduation is not an idiot.

>>35011234
why is stem such a meme on 4chan ?

>>35011276
You can go to jail for unpaid debts in many countries.

>>35020779
Because it pays good money you need to be smart to do it and there are few women or blacks involved. What they don't realize is that STEM is dominated by Chads and robots actually only have a shot as programmers. I can even see it in my classes where the best students are obvious chads

>>35020730
Roasties who want to prove they are strong women and can do better than any man

>>35011234

>he buys dvds
>big booty white girls sit on his dick anyway

Photographer confirmed for low IQ mongoloid and women confirmed for superficial sluts.

>>35020746
fuck you guy, I dropped outta grade school and make 800K

>>35011234
STEM are the ultimate wageslaves

>>35021488
dunno bow dah

Stop giving a fuck what other people do with their lives. Less STEM means more jobs for you anyway, you really don't need the extra competition.

>>35011234

*BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*

*sniffs*

I don't think if I had gone STEM it would have helped me any.

>>35021341
And my dick is the size of Pluto.

>>35011234
I'm getting a degree in Music Education because it's something that I like doing and I can make a fair living doing it. Unlike most of you actual fucking retards, I'm not looking for a job that pays a fuckton of cash, I'm looking for a job that I like doing and that pays enough to live adequately.

In ten years when you idiots falling for the money meme hate your jobs and want to off yourselves, I'll be here to laugh.

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>>35011234
Agreed mi amigo

I'm getting a degree in Liberal Studies, i.e. a degree in nothing. I plan on trying out the education field. If that doesn't work, I can always get a Master's in something more useful. At least, I'm not busting my balls in some hard ass STEM major, surrounded by sausages; in my liberal arts classes, I'm one of only two or three guys. Feels good man.

>>35022211
I'm the same way - trying to get into a field that'll bin me fulfilment.

I knew a girl like that once. She got a degree in speech language pathology (an in-demand career that pays 70K+) but all but gave that up because she liked her HS/uni band experience SO much she became an instructor/conductor. Shit's crazy to me since she got somewhere good, but it apparently makes her happy.

Doesn't really matter what degree you pursue unless we're talking about degrees that are directly applicable to technological production, i.e. computer science/engineering/etc, or if you're going into med/law school. Otherwise, you're probably (emphasis on the probably) going to need a degree and good networking skills to get a decent job in this market.

I've met people who studied the most obscure off-the-wall shit you can imagine and they still managed to land great jobs after graduating because they were extremely friendly, attractive, and active in extra-curricular things (wrote for journals, ran clubs, etc.).

Success is not borne from one's major choice, it comes from your ability to adjust and manipulate the current system and flourish on the status quo. That means you're leaning on things like gentrification, massive inequality, and general misery worldwide. Of course none of this is the fault of the bushy-tailed undergraduate, this is just to say that the arguments about choosing a major are utterly insignificant.

>>35022445
I mean I'm not too far off, I'm literally getting paid like $60 a week to go to college with the scholarships I get, I pretty much have a ride to do what I want as long as it isn't another school kind of thing like law or medicine, but that and IT are the two things I actually like doing.

>>35011234

why get a shitty degree in an oversaturated market when you could fix jets and still make over $80,000

>>35011440
Mormons literally do this you idiot.

>>35022534
Being a richfag helps as well.

>>35022870
Because you're not going to fix jets and make $80,000

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>>35012226
O boy nigger please dont trigger me I fucking HATE universities a bunch of crooks and thieves. Once I graduate this ssemester im going to take a poop on their floor

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>>35020761
We dont take too kindly to your "rational" thinking here friendo

>>35020761
If you're going to go for a niche major, then it should come out of your pocket and not the taxpayer's imo

>>35024146
>If you're going to go for a niche major, then it should come out of your pocket and not the taxpayer's imo

you know that federal loans are just that right
they are loans

we here in the US don't pay for student's college

>>35011234
I'd argue most degrees are useless, Law grad here and in a dead end job. I also have plenty of mates that finished Engineering and Maths and couldn't get a job, so they are now Personal Trainers or Baristas. Don't know why everyone on 4chan thinks a STEM degree equals instant success.

Granted this is the birthplace of
>Mathematics degree
>200k starting

>>35025159
And what do you think happens when you dont pay back those student loans?

>>35013975
Everyone I've ever met who is naturally good at math is that way because they have a sense of what the operations mean in a way that is not at all numeric. For the trivial bits you just need to like puzzles. In either case, I'm wondering what you mean by math when you talk about things that are easy and boring.

>>35025198
Maybe your friends shouldn't have been retards who bought into the degree = automatic success and networked a little.

If you're in Stem, you should be in the programming scene as well, no exceptions. Everyone in a Stem major should be branching out with computer programming - join hackathons, come up with interesting projects and putting that on your resume.

For the most part, companies hiring Stem majors in - say - fields such as applied math, physics, engineering etc. want workers who have worked in a team completing projects.

>>35025314
>And what do you think happens when you dont pay back those student loans?

you have to pay back student loan debt. It's one of the few types of debt which can't be cleared away by bankruptcy

>>35016913
The people I talk to in STEMS is that STEMS jobs create more STEMS jobs and fewer jobs for everyone else. It's true that we'll soon have too many engineers for the demand that there is - but god damn, we're going to have way too many truckers. Automation just means that there's always going to be a field from now on that doesn't have enough demand, because everything else just shrink and shrink.

>>35025424
*The feeling among the people I talk to in STEMS is that

Apologies for typo.

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m-m-m-m-m-muh STEM muhfucka!!

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>associates in math
>300k starting
Why havent you taken the final redpill yet,/r9k/?

I don't know what it's like in America, but I found out the hard way that having ANY sort of uni degree in Australia helps significantly towards getting work and getting higher-paid work. Sure, there are a small number of degrees where you have a high chance of earning a really high income ... but in most cases even an arts degree is better than not having one.

This is because boomer employers simply regard it as evidence that you're more mature and accomplished, and it seems to be an arbitrary hurdle they can set up to simply cut down the number of applicants for a job.

I'd say that WITHOUT a degree - you're likely to start on a wage of 40-60k, with a degree, your starting wage could be 60-90k. It makes a big difference... and without the degree you're limited in how far you can climb within any corporation or government agency. You're going to need that piece of paper eventually, even if it's just an arts thing.

>>35025530
it's the same in the U.K.

>>35017827
>falling for the networking meme

>>35025588
It's the same in the US. Op is just a massive retard. A degree is practically necessary for any career.

>>35025503
I love the math degree meme, I'm sure it's tricked people before and fucked em.

>>35025690
The trick is to go for an applied math major.

>>35025634
Hate to admit, it's not a meme in a corporate environment. Literally boils down to who you know and not how good you are.

>>35025530
>You're going to need that piece of paper eventually

yeah. It's what I hear, but the US jobs market is still totally screwed.

29 years old, have a bachelor's, and im still making US$20k a year

>tfw doing comp sci
>the job prospects are shit in my shithole of a country(Brazil)
I hope I manage to get a visa and steal the job of an americuck

>>35013211
The memeiest one out there

>>35025448
Jokes on you. Lawyers are losing to automation. It's a massively overrated career. Doctors have good pay but work the same hours FOREVER. Business is a meme and just a cover for nepotism. STEM is the only area where money is consistent and guaranteed

>>35016987
Incorrect, he tried to argue that life was worth working for and then he couldn't come up with any reasons. Hence Nihilism.

Non-STEM plebs should probably attempt to think less because they are incapable of higher comprehension... or else they would be doing STEM.

I'm going for a Human Resources AA and a business AS, am I wasting my time?