Dude, LOOKS don't matter to girls! It's all about

that's true, but he could do something about his appearance

Orthodontic work matters too.

what are you talking about OP his nose and his adams apple are almost asymmetric he's beautiful

>>34719961
Why bother if looks don't matter? He just needs to work on his personality dude! Maybe just read a self help book or two.

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>>34719946
woah.... really rattled my noggin...

>>34719968
No it doesn't. Looks aren't important you insecure faggot. It's all about CONFIDENCE.

>>34719946
Where did his chin go?

>>34719946
Oh man if he would've been treated for that overbite he'd easily look twice as good. It still wouldn't be much, though.

>>34719946
Surprisingly women just hate men personally and will always try to find a flaw in a man to make their holes unavailable. It is just genetic at this point

>>34720007
He doesn't suffer from overbite, he suffers from a receded chin.

He needs surgery not braces.

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>>34719946
What a fucking look.
>404 chin not found

Confident guys are confident because they're handsome. They develop that confidence because they've been accepted and encouraged due to their looks. They've been reinforced.

Ugly guys are not confident for the exact same reason. They've had no positive reinforcement, no reason to be confident.

So its true women like confident guys. Because confident guys are Chad.

>>34719946
Well it is true, girls only care about social status, confidence and penis size. They are not intelligent enough to appreciate male aestetics.

this guy looks like a cartoon character

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>>34719946

pic very related

oragel

>>34719946
Why do all people who look like this have the personality to match? Mouthbreathers are disgusting.

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>>34719946
Is he... half hawk or half vulture something? Dear God.

It's really all about confidence girls will literally suck anything that talks.

>>34720124

They don't you just assume they do because you're a self-centred judgemental roastie who thinks Chad can do no wrong.

>>34720064

No but they care what other guys think of your guy, and guys appreciate aesthetics. Thus indirectly they do care.

>>34719946
i look like this dude. albeit not as bad. i've decided not to reproduce and remind myself from the genre pool. as if it have a choice lmao!!

I'm also heavily considering suicide. :-)

>>34720360
remove myself*

FUCK i mess up everything

>>34719946
the fuck is phineas doing here

>>34720376
*gene pool

>>34720038
Chads are like 5% of the population; you've never met a confident person who was only average looking?

>>34720446
"Chad" is an attractive male. That's it. Average/ugly guys who fake confidence just look like desperate autismos.

>>34719946
You look retarded and Jewish

>>34720360
Save up and get the surgery.

I have it too btw

>>34720446
Confidence without good looks is called "overcompensating".

Confident guys who aren't good looking are called "tryhards".

If a tall handsome guy pulls up in a flashy sports car, he's immediately seen as cool and alpha. Everyone instantly respects and looks up to him.

If an ugly manlet does the same he's seen as a tryhard/creep. People will avoid him and assume he's shallow and overcompensating.

Google "halo effect".

>>34720514
>>34720586
The top tier of looks is like the top 5-10%, but obviously a lot more people than that are considered "attractive". I'm not talking about a 4 foot 5 tub of lard pulling up in a Phantom, I'm just refuting the usual talk on here that unless you have model looks you're worthless.

>>34719977
Caring about the way you look, your health, and how you present yourself are all major aspects of personality, aspects that are made public through appearance. When people give you that advice they're trying to inadvertently say that you need to focus on your personality if you want to improve your looks, but know that you'll think that means it's all only about looks if they tell you in a more direct manner. Because you're a difficult person. Because your personality sucks.

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>>34720696
>your looks are your personality

>>34720666
>unless you have model looks you're worthless.
This is true, though. Did you forget that there are amateur models? It's not a one out of 100 thousand thing. More like 1/50. There are an absurd amount of Chads around, which just makes average and ugly guys look even worse in comparison.

>>34720586
"Halo effect" is defined as "Meme spouted by whiny desperate faggots in an attempt to avoid taking responsibility for their own failures."

>>34720696
that sounds like a lot of rationalizing bullshit

>>34720763
Yeah guys, start taking responsibility for being born short and ugly!

>>34719946

Oh man this guy is oozing on so much confidence!!

>>34720696
This is some impressive mental gymnastics anon.

You're basically saying that if you improve your personality (is that even possible btw) that your looks will follow. Thereby essentially conflating ugliness with shit personality.

>>34720739
What you're saying reminds me of what a lot of the /fa/ board talks like - as if life is nothing but snapshots. The idea of confidence/high extroversion only coming from looking like a model is dumb, because there are many people who possess those things and are "only" like a 6/10.

Especially in the case of women, the 10/10s are either totally rude or don't bother to develop a personality at all because people will "like" them no matter what, but people only care about their looks, so is all you want some empty attention? I'm not really implying it's a bad thing, I'm just curious.

>>34720696

Hol' up Hol' up

*smacks lips*

So what you trying say is that confidence makes a fat ugly girl with a stinky vagina attractive enough to make you fuck her??? That's some retarded logic right there.

>>34720854

>people only care about their looks, so is all you want some empty attention?

Job opportunities, social status, the ability to reproduce, higher chance of getting resources, higher self esteem is not empty attention fucker

>>34720915
This higher self esteem isn't going to come from defending your inferiority on the internet haha

>>34720883
If she cared about her looks and health and presentation (which would be a major aspect of her personality) she would exercise, so not fat, but fit. And she would probably be hygienic, and get anything amiss treated, so her vagina would probably be fine as well.

>>34720939
>defending your inferiority

Not him but that's clearly not what he's doing.

Being objective about the situation isn't defending one's own inferiority. You just refuse to see things for what they are.

>>34720801
>short
Irrelevant.
>ugly
Fixable.

Any other pitiful excuses as to why you have never once in your life tried to make any effort?

>>34720915
You can get all of those even if you are average looking. Plenty do.

>>34720979
Okay but what about when we're talking about things that cannot be fixed by simple lifestyle choices and proper hygiene?

How is that guy in the OP going to fix his appearance without cosmetic surgery?

Even if he does get cosmetic surgery, normies will just call him shallow and insecure when all he really wanted was a level playing field i.e. to not look like a disfigured freak.

>>34720996
>Irrelevant

Are you trolling or just retarded?

Being short as a man is probably the worst thing that can happen to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbBcxOcoZ_4

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>>34720979

>tl;dr looks matter

Oh who knew!!!

>>34720831
Not really. Your personality is largely shown through your actions, which are just personal choices. You make those choices based on your priorities. Changing your priorities and actually following them, which is difficult, but not impossible, will change your personality. And yeah, if you prioritize getting a healthy amount of sleep, regular exercise, a good diet, and hygiene above anything that would prevent you from doing that, you're going to look a lot better than you would otherwise.

>>34721044
>you're going to look a lot better than you would otherwise

But you still may not look GOOD. That's the point.

see>>34721017

Why do normies think that you can fix everything through simple lifestyle changes like diet and exercise?

>>34719946
He just needs to start lifting.

>>34721010

>You can get all of those even if you are average looking.

Of course you can but it requires much harder work than your attractive person unless you're born to a rich family. Chads and Stacys get things handed to them on a silver platter and often times they get better goods than an average person.

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>>34720854
>confidence/high extroversion
>people who possess those things and are "only" like a 6/10
People who are 6/10 don't have either, the options are that they lack self awareness and don't realize how low on the ladder they are, or they do realize and they're faking it in a vain attempt to try and retain the place in life they assumed they had, because they were told they were special and attractive every day by their parents and realized at 25 that they're subhuman and no girl will give them a second look.
>>34721010
>Plenty do
No.A 6/10 gets to be assistant manager of McDonald's after 10 years, 4 friends if he's lucky, an overweight used up roastie wife (if he's lucky) who will take his kids after a few years to chase after Chad, no preferential treatment unless he has family members in positions where he could get free resources, and his self-esteem is a brave smile he puts on to keep from killing himself. Over 100 million people say eating out of a septic tank is good for you, they surely couldn't be wrong.

>>34721030
Are you a retarded autistic manlet virgin or a bitter lanklet virgin?

>>34720984
Most of the people who believe all this stuff are just regurgitating infographs. Average looking people get all those things; just because you can't walk into a bar and have your pick or be on a magazine cover, your life isn't a living hell for being average looking.

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>>34721070
Yeah I'm sure a face like this will look great on a jacked body

>>34721017
Well, he could improve a lot with a haircut, for one thing. Improving his posture would help a lot as well. Corrective surgery isn't considered shallow, and I would label that under caring about his health, which would majorly help his chin. He could also try to more consciously control his facial expression, breathing through his nose instead of his mouth. I mean he still wouldn't be a model, but it would be a major improvement.

>>34721083
Not an argument.

Being short has been proven time and time again to hamper your prospects in life.

>>34721091
We're not talking about average looking people. We're talking about ugly people like the guy in the OP.

That guy has no chance in life unless he gets expensive and invasive cosmetic surgery which he may or may not be able to afford.

Some people have even worse conditions.

>>34721075
>they were told they were... attractive everyday by their parents and realized...
that they were being lied to
That hits home, and it hurts

>>34721106
>haircut
>posture

Just stop. You have no clue what you're talking about.

His problem lies with the musculo-skeletal structure of his face. It has nothing to do with his hairstyle.

He needs corrective surgery.

>>34721060
Even if you don't look really good, people will notice that it's mainly just genetics, not you neglecting to wash yourself or deciding that you'd rather irresponsibly stay up for hours instead of sleeping or lacking the self-control to take care of yourself. People can respect that to the point that some girls will be willing to overlook that you're not a model, especially if you're also kind, intelligent and competent. If there are positive aspects to your personality.

>>34721133
Ironically if he fixed his posture his chin would completely disappear. Dumbass fucking normals dude.

>>34721133
Did you even read that whole thing or just get so angry after reading those two words you couldn't even bother?

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>>34721164
Okay but we're assuming that people are not complete slobs here and that they shower daily and observe a basic hygiene routine.

The difference between this guy and the guy in the OP is still staggering not matter how much the guy in the OP changes his lifestyle and diet or whatever.

>>34721208
Why do people on here always talk about breathing through the mouth, does that make a difference if you do it growing up

>>34721188
So basically what you're saying is that he needs to take drastic measure to alter his appearance.

I agree. Looks matter. Why are we even arguing?

>>34721164
>people will notice that it's mainly just genetics
>People can respect that to the point that some girls will be willing to overlook that
>passing on your genetics is what drives humans to fuck
>girls will look past the fact the guy in the OP has horrible genetics and breeding with him will create abominations because he has a good personality
Really made me think, great post norman

The kid in OP's pic needs a chin implant or whatever, though after that the other things would still apply. If you want to look better, you should look up Mike Mew and do everything he talks about. I've done them for 9 months and look better. However, rarely would anyone on here actually want to change, rather they'd just complain about it.

>>34721231
Mouthbreathing requires you to keep your mouth open all the time - since your jaws are apart, they're being guided to grow downwards. If your teeth are together and tongue is on the roof of your mouth, your jaws are being guided to grow up and forwards.

>>34721164

>People can respect that to the point that some girls will be willing to overlook that you're not a model, especially if you're also kind, intelligent and competent. If there are positive aspects to your personality.

And then be put in the friendzone.

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>>34721265
My progress after 9 months of mewing and chewing on belts 8 hours a day

>>34721231

Genetics, habits, and diet all play a role.

>>34719946
ohhhhh chin chiminy chin chiminy chin chin chery

>>34721111
>Being short has been proven

No it has not, liar. You're just using your height as an excuse. Even if you were tall you would still be a failure and a kissless virgin.

>>34721295
Is this bait or real?

>>34721208
I'm just trying to defend my point that yes, personality does affect looks. And you know, even if not every guy can look like that, it's important to remember that not every guy looks like that. That there's a very small amount of people who actually do look like that, and that some girls don't even like the way that he looks. As long as you're an above average person, not in terms of only looks, and you take care of yourself so that you're not actually revolting, which is basically anyone in good health who showers, you'll be fine.

>>34721319

Its mocking mewingfags that tell you to stop mouth breathing. A lot has to do with genetics.

>>34721243
Refer to this from earlier >>34720696

>>34721339
A lot has to do with jaw surgery + chin advancement.

That is what that pic is of, not anything else.

>>34721339
Which part has to do with genetics?

>>34721313
LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22gtSCJd9jA

>>34721358
none of it

read this:

>>34721349

>>34719946
if you look like this, then you must not reproduce

>>34721345
Refer to this from earlier orig>>34721017

>>34721321
>which is basically anyone in good health who showers, you'll be fine.
This is such bullshit and you know.

You have to do a lot more than just shower regularly to be successful with women.

>>34721279
Couldn't you use a friend anyway? Why do you guys hate having friends so much? Only caring about romance in a meaningful relationship with another human being is a pretty negative way to be. People will notice if you don't consider doing anything for a girl worth your time unless she wants to be in a relationship. You shouldn't see people as a means to an end, but rather as an end.

>>34721419
You're completely right. You also have to be an above average person.

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>>34721436
>It's all personality, bro!

>>34719946
It's a half truth. Neither by itself will get you far.

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Alright I need absolute honesty here boys, lately all these threads have been making me question if I even have a chin. Is my shit fucked or no?

>>34721491
yes you have a chin. now go get fit so you can have a better body as well.

>>34721402
I think I see the problem here, I don't think corrective surgery is considered a drastic measure, but a way to improve your health long term. Also, yes, looks do matter, I was just trying to say that when people tell you to improve your personality and that looks don't matter, which is what OP was mocking, they forget that certain aspects of your looks reflect your personality. And that you will not have any success with women if you don't improve those aspects of your personality, unless you get extremely lucky.

>>34721499
too much effort. Nice to know I have a chin tho thanks.

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Just get jaw surgery. It's worth it

>>34721491
Do you retards seriously not know what a chin is? See that raised bump at the bottom of your face below your lip? That's a fucking chin.
>tfw dumbshits like this get to have chins and my profile view is literally a triangle

>>34721094
That kid looks about 14. By age 24 or 34 he will look like a man. At the moment he looks like a kid because he is a kid.

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Why haven't you underwent a chadectomy yet?

>>34721349
>>34721358

I was referring to the fact that mouth habits alone wont guarantee you a god tier jawline in your youth... retards.

>>34721539
>By age 24 or 34 he will look like a man
No, he will look like a deformed 14 year old. Do you think age changes your facial structure outside of puberty?

>>34721509
Cosmetic surgery doesn't improve your physical health. Just your appearance, hence the name "cosmetic".

>certain aspects of your looks reflect your personality

Yes but the bone structure of your face is not one of them. You're just born that way. Nothing you can do about it except maybe expensive and invasive surgeries that people will call you shallow and superficial for getting.

>>34721551
>You're just born that way.
actually it's extremely likely that it's due to developmental issues like mouthbreathing

>>34721465
See, his poor posture would indicate that he either is a very low energy person, meaning that he's probably boring and likely doesn't get a lot of sleep, or is maybe just very pessimistic, or that he doesn't have very much self confidence. All of which is not very attractive at all. Most are deal breakers. He seems like he wouldn't even need surgery for his chin, he would probably just have to position the way he sets his jaw a little differently until it was normal in a way that looked good. It never really hurts anyone to be a little more fit, either.

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>>34721420

>Women
>As friends

LOL
O
L

Women are fucking boring and they will never view you as a friend the same way they view their female friends. To her you are either a potential mate (Chad) or a provider (beta). Women know we are driven by our sex drive.

>Only caring about romance in a meaningful relationship with another human being is a pretty negative way to be.

You're an idiot. We're literary wired to see women as that.

>People will notice if you don't consider doing anything for a girl worth your time unless she wants to be in a relationship. You shouldn't see people as a means to an end, but rather as an end.

Yeah yeah tell that to Chad.

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>>34721543
This is clearly genetics

>>34721465
>>34721491
>>34721295
>>34721094
>>34719946

people look like this not solely because of genetics but generally because of awful diet choices during childhood (mushy soft food).

>>34721491
Nigger you look about 15. Complain in 5 -10 years if you still look like that then

>>34721551
I know that about cosmetic surgery, that's why I've been saying corrective surgery. Also, what this guy said>>34721585

>>34721585
Okay but it's still outside of your control.

A child doesn't know the developmental risks of mouthbreathing.

>>34721608
I'm a lot older than 15 believe or or not. A LOT. I'm pretty sure I stopped aging at 15 tho.

>>34721319
cover the chin of first pic. its real

>>34721614
yeah actually I don't know why I bothered to correct you, it's irrelevant to your point

>>34720696
are you fucking autistic? (originigger)

>>34721607
tfw you linked me, take it back right now

>>34721607
It's more so because babies are given solid food before they're ready, so instead of ingraining the oral posture/swallow that breastfeeding naturally requires you to do, they fuck it up. I doubt there's a secret society of Chad families who feed their kids nothing but steak and sourdough.

>>34721548
Yes mother fucker. 30 year olds look more masculine in face and body compared to 20 year olds. And that include how strong the jaw can look at 20 compared to age 30

>>34721590
You should honestly just treat people as humans, anon. A lot of people in the real world care about the people around them. Believe it or not, it's actually considered objectifying to consider someone a means to an end, like you said all women consider every single man they ever meet, which just isn't true. I assure you there are actual platonic friendships between males and females. If all the females you've met act like this, you may want to try and be involved with people other than them.

>your whole life is ruined if you mouth breath

this game is unbalanced af
please fix god

>>34721629
What are you 19? If so then you're still a kid. Chew gum, exercise and by 25 you'll look like a man

>>34721694
see
>>34721542
everyone can be saved

>>34721542
Surgery won't make one a Chad. Only conscious decisions do.

>>34721705
Yes, conscious decisions like surgery

>>34721705
What if you already have a Chad personality, but need your full potential unlocked?

>>34721614
Well, things like that can be corrected with corrective surgery, which is entirely different from cosmetic. It will improve cosmetic aspects, but it's mainly for your health. It can fuck up your teeth if your mouth structure is that bad.

>>34719946

That chin, or lack of one, doesn't convey confidence.

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>>34721602

>What is being overweight and age

The mother clearly has a stronge jawline while the father has a good jaw size it weren't for all that fat. Faggot.

>>34721724

Mother clearly has a strong chin***

I think it's up to the people here that are lucky enough to have children to make sure they do not make the same mistakes.

>>34721682

>just be nice to ppl because muh feelings matter!!!

Not an argument.

>>34721712
Don't be a chad. Be nice. Aim for something higher. Girls sleep around when they're with chad, not when they're with you. Also, act on your personality more.

>>34721712
You cannot have a Chad personality and not be a Chad. Unless it's a temporary thing where you haven't yet finished getting /fit/ and /fa/.

>>34721708
Decisions like leaving the basement, getting a haircut, and a job.

>>34721758
Huh? Being Chad usually means also being nice.

>>34719946
It's like his face is permanently stuck in the expression he gives every time he looks at this profile,

>>34721758
Chad is nice. Chad's are some of the nicest guys, because they have had an easy life, they aren't resentful. It's not Chad's that are the mean ones.

>>34721753
Other people's feelings do matter if you're friends with them. Friends care about each other. And I'd say simply pointing out that there are actually platonic friendships between males and females is a valid counter argument to "Girls only see men as providers and mates." and "Men are driven solely by sex drive". Which are really the only two points you made

>>34719946
You dont look like that faggit.

This board has really changed in a year, what happened? Who are all these feels people here?

Why is everyone saying BEEE YOURSELF?

Where are the preachers of the truth?

>>34721774
>Decisions like leaving the basement, getting a haircut, and a job.

If becoming a Chad was as simple as getting a haircut and job everyone would be a Chad you dumbfuck.

There are plenty of complete losers with jobs.

>>34721783
>>34721806
I may have been misinformed as to what Chad is, I thought Chad picked on most of you guys in school? That doesn't seem nice. Or is Chad just a blanket term for any male normie?

>>34720696
I plan to horribly murder liberals, women and non-whites when the race war begins only because of people like you.

>>34721820
Literally no one has said be yourself. The basic message here is that in order to be attractive, everyone here would have to basically change several major aspects of their personalities and their behaviors, and also most are fucked without corrective surgery even with that.

>>34721845
Some robots try to twist the definition, but the actual definition of Chad is simply someone who is successful in life and with girls.

>>34721845
Can you tell me how long you've been on 4chan? When did you come here and where did you come from? Can you go back?


To answer you question: Normies are the mean ones, Chad is above a normie, normies worship Chad and give him an easy life. Therefore he is not resentful, he is not mean, he is just coasting through life without a worry. It's the normies that bully us, the ones that are resentful they aren't Chad and need to feel superior so they pick on the weirdo's.

>>34721848
I am conservative and white. Sorry if I was a little harsh there.

>>34720696
That's some mental gymnastics right there

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>dude just get a haircut
>dude just lift
>dude its all personality
>meanwhile they all browse r9k
kek

>>34721865
I've been on 4chan about 3 years now, I started when my sleeping schedule got kind of fucked and I needed something to do at night. I'm kind of not fully stuck here, I've been off of here for months at a time and curiosity is the only thing that brings me back. I'm actually pretty Chad by these standards, I guess, but I didn't really have an easy childhood and I'm not super social or anything. I mainly go on this board because I think you guys are some of the loneliest people out there, and consequently some of the most contemplative. I really hope that you guys don't take that the wrong way, it's not some sick kind of entertainment for me, it's just a way for me to see a little from your perspectives. Maybe gain a little insights as well. The main reason I've posted in this board at all is because I wanted to share some of my insights in return. I feel like I owe it to you guys, and I understand that it may not be welcome.

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weak chin makes you look gay

Leafy genes

>>34721010
>You can get all of those even if you are average looking.

Well of course you can. But it's undeniable that life is pretty hard for most non attractive people. And if you can get good things in life with a good self-stem, how do you get that by being ugly?

>>34721808

More "muh feelings matter!!!" nonsense.

Again. Not an argument.

>>34721017
If, no matter what he does, society will still look down on him, the only way to get through is by changing his mindset and worldview.

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>>34721956
i hate talking about shitty youtube e-celebs but i've heard about this meme and its been irking me.
whats wrong with his chin?
it doesn't even that bad

>>34721988
It's much easier to change your physical appearance than it is to change your mindset and worldview.

>>34722009
To be honest the fact that he's a manlet hurts him more than his chin. But he does have a weak chin anyway.

>>34721865
You missed the part where it's robots who are the bullies and jerks. They are just mostly impotent bullies because they rarely leave the basement.

>>34722009
it's reccessed

>>34722011
Some people can't afford plastic surgery. And don't forget about short guys

>>34722011
Changing your mindset requires a few things - awareness of what your current patterns are (the capability to observe), a refusal to defend negativity, and dis-identifying from them as they come up. Doing this allows them to die down in intensity and then you'll be able to think more objectively.

Most people want to defend their negative views to death, so they never get out of it.

>>34722009
99.99% of chads have a strong chin and well defined jawline

>>34722065
Wanting to change your views just because your current ones are making you unhappy isn't being objective.

>>34722062
I know that. It's still easier to find the money for plastic surgery and limb lengthening or whatever than it is to brainwash yourself into believing that people don't care about appearances.

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>>34720979
see, people are assuming that OP:
1. isn't in good health
2. is unhygienic
3. is dumb and/or uncharismatic
simply because he is unattractive

>>34722094
Yep, that's the halo effect in action right there.

Unattractive people are somehow always to blame for their predicament.

Attractive people meanwhile are always percieved as healthy and self-confident.

>>34722091
Well, I guess money CAN buy you happiness.

>>34722091
Have you ever thought that a thought that makes you feel bad feels bad because it's not true? People who don't feel negative aren't having a negative experience - negative is a perception.

>>34722009
Its severely recessed, look at some of his facecam videos. He tries to block his chin with the huge ass microphone right in front of his mouth and in pictures he also hides it with his weird gesture

>>34721981
"Anything that goes against what I say is muh feelings matter nonsense" I want you to tell me how a platonic friendship can exist if all women only see all men as providers and mates and all men only see all women as mates. There's my argument. You're wrong because what you have said is not true, as evidenced by the fact that platonic friendships between males and females exist.

>>34722132
It can certainly help. Almost every one of your problems can be greatly improved if not fixed outright with enough money.

>>34722133
All the evidence suggests the contrary: humans are superficial creatures, particularly our post-modern society.

People judge you by your looks every single day whether consciously or subconsciously and, like it or not, your looks do largely determine your success in many areas of your life including personal relationships and your career.

I don't consider myself unattractive. I'm probably above average but that's irrelevant. I'm interested in objective truth, not comforting lies.

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H-hi ladies, would you mind passing the roastbeef?

>>34722062
>short guy
>he fell for the manlet meme
>forgot that taller men are more likely to be virgins

>>34722109
There are many ways to stop being unattractive. Robots are just far too lazy to do anything about it.

>>34722200
>taller men are more likely to be virgins

lol what kind of coping mechanism will manlets come up with next?

>>34722176
If your chin is below your lips by more than half a pinkie you should end it all.

>>34722094
No, I'm assuming all of that because barring an actual birth defect no ones facial structure can become that bad unless he is in bad health, no one can have a haircut like or have that expression without not really caring about how they present themselves or being oblivious to how that makes them look (therefore being dumb/uncharasmatic), and again, barring genetics, no one can have skin like that without proper hygiene.

>>34722243
His hair looks clean to me and he doesn't have acne
I've seen greasier guys with good faces, just look at the actor from Twilight, he's fucking greasy

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>>34722273
pic related
apparently he barely washes himself unless he's on stage

>>34722173
I'm not ugly either; I'm not saying that a 500 pound dwarf will be found as attractive as a model.

I'm saying people's feelings of negativity are self created, even if it's unconscious. People tell themselves stories of how inferior, awkward, ugly, etc. they are and they keep defending it because there's no gap to see what they're doing.

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>>34722243
There's nothing wrong with his haircut. Like almost everything, it looks good on an attractive man. Pic related.

Mouthbreathing has nothing to do with bad health although it may be related to bad oral posture as a child (not his fault). There's nothing to suggest he is in bad health.

Acne has nothing to do with hygiene. It's hormonal (i.e. genetic).

There's nothing wrong with his "expression". He's just ugly.

You're just posting one baseless assumption after another.

>>34720023
>accuses an innocent Jewish man of being a white supremist

Where is this from?

>>34722273
Even if his hair is clean it still isn't styled well. I wasn't judging the cleanliness of his hair at all. And if it isn't acne near his upper lip and to the right of his ear, then it's either some sort of skin condition or facial, both of which could be fixed with hygiene and medical treatments if necessary

>>34719946
poor guy. dont know what to say. would hate to be that guy. as bad as life is at least I have a half ass beta chin to work with. that guy has jack shit. one chance at life, have to go through it without a chin

>>34722303
Feelings might be self created as you put it but facts are not.

The objective truth is that society - not just women - but society in general treats you better based on your looks and factors outside of your control.

You can take that however you want but that's the truth.

>>34722215
lol OP has no chance of ever being attractive unless he gets a rhinoplasty, a genioplasty, a jaw implant and PTSD treatment.

>>34722152

>You're wrong because I said so!!!!

How much more retarded can you get? Do you not understand how biology works? When we see attractive women, we dont think of some bullshit platonic relationship. We want to FUCK because we want those genes. The same applies to women. When they see a potential mate, they want to FUCK because those good genes guarantee that the offspring will reproduce. The same thing applies to beta providers. Women see those resources they have and will want that.

Our purpose in life isn't about platonic relationships you fucking faggot. Its about having a higher life expectancy for our genes. Women and men can not have the same platonic relationship as a man with man or woman with woman. A man can have a platonic relationship with a woman who is less attractive but it will never be in the same bond level as with a man and vice versa. The man will simply find another attractive woman.

>that platonic friendships between males and females exist.

By that logic, we can also say that "true love" exists because its shown on the surface. We should also say that ghosts exists because youtube videos exists. fucking retard.

>>34722152

>" I want you to tell me how a platonic friendship can exist if all women only see all men as providers and mates and all men only see all women as mates.

Nice guys. Ergo. Faggot.

>>34722332
I think he could look better by taking a baseball hit to the face a few time.
I'm not too much for violence but it could work, just make sure that there is no brain damage.

>>34722228
Ever wonder why a majority of khv robots are tall?

>>34719946
I refused to have my wisdom teeth removed as a kid because something inside me said they might be a necessary factor in stimulating chin growth during puberty. My chin is decent. Jaw angle is up by my ears (feminine trait) so I still look beta as fuck, but the chin length is good, so maybe I made a good decision as a kid.

>>34719946
And don't forget money.
You can't be here beta provider without any money.

>>34722313
Different haircuts look good with different facial structures, that one doesn't match his at all and it's obvious. Bad oral posture (which he certainly still has now, not just as a child) is a health issue and can be fixed with corrective surgery. And acne does get significantly worse if you don't wash your face, in rare cases genetics can play a pretty large role to the point that regular hygiene is effective, in which case there still are medical treatments to help with that as well. Dermatologists exist. And not having your mouth hanging open is certainly something you can consciously fix.

>>34721548
.....Yes?
Are you retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsgWUimfupQ
thread theme song

>>34722386
Your jaws need support, which is what wisdom teeth help provide - people who get them removed end up looking worse because of the bone loss their face sags a bit.

>>34721705
oh shut the fuck up.
Its been proven if you look like a 9/10 no one cares what you do, you'll still be considered a chad.
Even if you go around saying retarded shit, girls will just think you're being eccentric

>>34721542
That's not the same guy right?

>>34722446
it is, he did that surgery where they saw off your jaw bone to pull it forward, plus maybe some more stuff like a rhinoplasty

>>34722404
No haircut will suit his facial structure because his facial structure is fucking DEFORMED. Are you blind?

Bad oral posture is not a health issue since there are no adverse risks to your health.

As for acne, I had acne in my teens and I would wash my face 3 times a day so you're full of shit.

There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that this guy is in poor health. He just got cucked by his genes and you're just demonstrating the halo effect by conflating poor health and hygiene with ugliness.

>>34722344
It's almost like you're forgetting the thousands of years in which society has developed virtues beyond our base desires just so you can have an excuse as to why women don't want you. And just because you've never experienced one for yourself doesn't mean that there are no platonic relationships between men and women beyond a surface level.

>>34722404
m8 there is no haircut that will make him look better. it's like putting icing over shit

>>34722433
I have no choice now. After refusing to have them removed, I didn't go to a dentist for 10 years because she traumatized me that same visit by thinking I was faking that the novocaine wasn't working. It wasn't working. I wasn't faking. The cavity drilling hurt like a bitch. Meanwhile I learned that my mom routinely has dental work done with NO anesthetic, because she doesn't like the numbness after! Am I the biggest vagina in the world or what?

>>34722440
This, appearance reflects the personality.
Your personality can't shine when your face itself is an allegory to pity, abnormality and frailty.

If he had the chance, he would have been an ugly "manly" man, but that would mean having a chin and at least one attractive facial feature.

>>34722503
I was sniffling on the phone while making my last appointment and I was almost 22 at the time, so I think that title goes to me. Last time I got Valium, so I forgot 99% of the whole appointment and had to be taken to the car in a wheelchair because I couldn't stand up, it was pretty fun.

>>34722465
If his facial structure is deformed then he should get a corrective surgery, like I said, and bad oral posture is a major risk to your dental health, as it can cause some really awkward pressure on your teeth and mess up your bite pattern, which can lead to your teeth being crooked. And were you getting enough sleep? Eating healthy? Washing your face after every time you exercised? Exercising at all? All of those things can affect the amount of acne someone has. If you were doing all of that it's likely you may have had a skin conditions, which a dermatologist could've helped with.

>>34722440
>Its been proven

Lol. Robot mental gymnastics at its finest. Go ahead, post this proof. Oh wait, you can't, because you're making this shit up.

And of course you will now post an irrelevant and unrelated youtube video, which does nothing to prove your point, but your inferior intellect warps it.

>>34722489
Well honestly his facial structure makes it look like he needs corrective surgery.

>>34722549
he's talking about the halo effect. just look it up

>>34722484

>it's almost like you're forgetting the thousands of years in which society has developed virtues beyond our base desires

Patriarchy existed as a mean to keep women in check for that simple reason, retard. Look at past civilizations like the Greeks or the Romans, even read the fucking Bible. They fucking knew women are not the same as men and vice versa. Faggot.


>as to why women don't want you.

Not an argument.

>And just because you've never experienced one for yourself doesn't mean that there are no platonic relationships between men and women beyond a surface level.

Aka more shaming tactics.

You're arguing on subjectives terms like a typical 5 grade student with no solid base in your argument. I present you with facts and you present me with more "muh feelings matter" bullshit. Have you tried killing yourself?

>>34722511
The only chance OP has to attract people is to humor his self-pity and get people to laugh with him instead of laughing at him, even if he has none for himself.
Humanity is a wretched place like that, people suck.

Don't listen to the Bluepill faggots.

>>34721705
I look like a chad but I lost all of my social skills

>>34722540
Yes he should get surgery. On that we agree. Provided he can afford it of course and that it doesn't cause further complications...

I led a healthy life as a teen. I was eating healthy, playing sports, washing my face, etc... The acne suddenly disappeared when I was around 18. I didn't change my lifestyle at all. Why do you think teens get acne? It's entirely hormonal you imbecile. Nothing to do with hygiene. Plenty of adults with shit hygiene don't have acne.

>>34721607
MFW i have a jawline that could cut diamonds kekekekek

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>Marilyn Manson is a rich degenerate despite looking no better than OP

maybe the and personality is all you need

>>34722568
>he fell for the halo meme

>>34722616
>maybe being a 6'5 multimillionaire rockstar is all you need bro xD

>>34722616

>What is status and money

>>34722616
He looks much better than OP and he still gets popular by being a freakshow.
kys normie.

>>34722570
What facts? All you have said that can be verified is that men only want women to mate and women only want men to provide and mate. That's not true. Everything else has been insults. And I don't care if it shamed you, that last point is true. You can't say that something doesn't exist because you haven't experienced it. What about a brother and sister? Neither expects the other to mate with them or provide for them, and they will likely keep in contact for life, with a close relationship throughout. I'm not saying men and women aren't different, because they are, I'm just saying that you can have a meaningful relationship with a women without wanting to fuck her. Tell me, in all of the civilization of Rome or Greece, or in the Bible, where it says that's not true? That a man cannot have a meaningful relationship with a women without wanting to fuck them?

>>34722616
OK but he wore an effective disguise and created a context where it was more appropriate for him to be disguised than not. the pale makeup makes his chin shadow stand out more which makes it look longer.

>>34722601
None of that changes the fact that dermatologists exist and have treated and improved acne cases such as those.

>>34720696
I care about the way I look but it isn't helping me

>>34722549
I guess you don't live in the real world and see the effectiveness of being attractive alone does. Must be great to be clueless and ignorant.

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>>34720696
/fit/ here, first time posting on /r9k/, and I gotta wonder

Why nobody actually listens to your advice? It was a short, well put message, but all you get is these frogs screaming at you

If your body looks like shit, your personality is most likely shit

If your house is all dirty, beat up and it smells bad in there, it means you are a lazy untidy fuck who doesn't take care of his house

You are all pathetic. Instead of owning your life, you let it waste away. Fuck you sad cunts, you'll never achieve anything

>>34722672
Are you prioritizing it and putting a lot of effort into it, trying to improve it? Are you avoiding behaviors that would be detrimental to your looks? If not then you don't care enough about it.

>>34722616
>dude just uh become a freak its better than being a nerd and normal people will totally respect you!!
>also make sure you get to secure a job at hot topic for the rest of your life or you're boned

nice plan.

>>34722666
>dude it's YOUR fault that you don't get surgery and cosmetic treatments

And what if your parents aren't rich and can't afford to pay for expensive dermatology treatments?

What if that kid in the OP is from a poor family who can't afford the multiple surgeries he will require in order to look like a normal human - not even attractive, just normal?

>>34722701
Most anyone has health insurance. If not, and he actually cared that much, he looks old enough that he could get a job and start saving. And there are jobs a teenager can get where the boss isn't gonna care about how you look.

>>34722695
So you basically you're admitting that looks matter.

Thanks for you input Norman.

>>34722695
I'm not sure of the answer to that question. I was pretty needlessly harsh at the end of that, maybe that's why it's being received so hostilely.

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Chin and jaw implant are one of the cheapest surgeries you can get.and usually range around 2000$ to 3000$, that's 50% less than a botched rhinoplasty

NOW GO GET THAT JAW IMPLANT YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE

>>34719946
He could easily get girls though, he just needs to go to the gym, get a good haircut, lose the glasses, change his outfit, basically become everything that he isn't.

>>34722710
So this guy has to work throughout his teenage years to pay for invasive surgeries that cost tens of thousands just so that he can have a CHANCE at a normal life?

I guess if he doesn't do that then you'll say he's lazy and has a """"bad personality"""" amirite?

>>34722697
Yeah, I'm making an effort. I'm just ugly.

>>34722710
Also, health insurance doesn't cover cosmetic surgery.

>>34722695
It's because the defeatist attitude is worn like a badge of honor, which is actually the biggest problem.

>>34722723
I never said looks didn't matter. I was just saying that it's pretty unfair to mock someone for telling you that you need to focus on your personality rather than your looks when that's what you should do, and now I've been defending the point that your personality does affect your looks.

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>>34722723
Looks matter, personality matters and intellligence matters

And you have none of that you wingy little cunt. You could if you tried, but naah, that's too hard, you would rather pity yourself until you die, and then you die fucking sad because
>uh uh nobody ever loved me :(

You deserve a shitty life if you have a shitty attitude
>>34722747
Maybe these fat fucks just don't wanna hear the truth

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>>34722755
>He could easily get girls though
>easily
>gym and diet for months and years
>haircut
>contact lenses
>expensive wardrobe
>chin/jaw implant surgery
>read self help books and work on his """"confidence""""

>easily

>tfw I'd have a good chin if it wasn't for the misaligned teeth

>>34722788
Actually I have all three but I know that without looks the other two are completely meaningless.

>>34722786
>mock someone for telling you that you need to focus on your personality rather than your looks when that's what you should do

But that's wrong.

If you're good looking you can get away with anything. You can be a complete asshole to women and they will keep chasing you.

You can talk to women about your nerdy hobbies and wierd fetishes and they'll think that you're quirky and interesting.

Working on developing a great personality without good looks will just get you friendzoned.

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>>34722642

>That's not true.

Provide your counterargument with evidence AND credible scientific sources.

>Everything else has been insults. And I don't care if it shamed you, that last point is true. You can't say that something doesn't exist because you haven't experienced it.

Boo hoo cry me a river. Not an argument.

>What about a brother and sister? Neither expects the other to mate with them or provide for them, and they will likely keep in contact for life, with a close relationship throughout.

Brothers and sisters contain 50 percent of their genes are more likely to be altruistic with each other, thus supporting each other for higher life expectancy. Next.

>I'm just saying that you can have a meaningful relationship with a women without wanting to fuck her.

Again you're wrong. Biology says so otherwise.

>That a man cannot have a meaningful relationship with a women without wanting to fuck them?

The reason why I brought up the patriarchy argument was to show you that past civilizations knew that women were different from men you fucking idiot. I didn't say specifically that patriarchy commands you not to have platonic relationships with women... but if you insist, Aristotle viewed women as inferior to men. See pic related. For the Bible, see 1 Timothy 2:12.

>b b but where does it say you can't be friends with them xDD

Going back to my argument, it shows that patriarchy civilizations did not view women as equal humans. You can't have an equal platonic relationship the same way you have a platonic relationship with a man because biological differences. Dumbass.

>>34722695

>first time /fit/ here

/fit/ is basically r9k with muscular dudes. Go back to your containment board, faggot.

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>>34722755
>left /r9k/ for years to follow these stupid normie advices
>bought 2 years worth of gym suscription and steroids
>got buff real quick
>neck just got bigger and consumed my chin even more
>head looks like a cylinder
>now i look like a balding penis

i'd rather take two jobs for a year and get the surgeries i need

>>34722877
>muscular dudes

Only about 5% of /fit/ actually lifts.

>>34722758
If his parents somehow don't have medical insurance. Poor people get medical aid. If insurance considers it a necessity, meaning that it's verified by your oral surgeon, and it looks like it definitely would be in this case, then insurance should cover most of it. It wouldn't be cosmetic. If not, which is highly unlikely, then he would just have to do the best with what he had. There's still probably a haircut that could look better on him and some better posture wouldn't kill him. Being a little more fit could benefit as well.

>>34722861

This. This so much.

Oregano00

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>>34722798
Yes its that easy to change your life completely while being yourself

>>34722861
But you're not going to get better looks unless you improve your personality. It's sound advice. You'll probably feel more fulfilled and therefore more positive and confident as well.

>>34722888
I'm having a hard time believing that you're not trolling at this point.

If you really think that this guy just needs to hit the gym and get a haircut I don't know what to say. You're just polishing a turd.

He needs surgery and probably orthodentistry as well. Several procedures that will cost tens of thousands and have potential complications.

And after all that? He will look normal. Nothing more.

His personality or lifestyle has nothing to do with it. This guy's success in life will depend entirely on whether or not he manages to fix his looks.

>>34722917
What the fuck are you talking about? There are plenty of good looking people with shitty personalities.

There is no direct corellation there.

>>34722697
>behaviors that would be detrimental to your looks?
What detrimental behavior? Refusing to compile your own DNA before being born?

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>>34722880
Yes, you could spent 2k on gym membership or you could spent 2k on a skilled surgeon and be done with it

Isn't gym just vanity? it's all about "mirin" on any bodybuilding website and in this context, it's definitely about appearance and nothing else. Maybe it will make you look healthier but having a chin will give a better impression.

>>34722862
Not xir, but do you really think we should be cucked by natural selection and slaves to our biological impulses just because?

Why not take control over your environment and yourself? You do it all the time when you fap, fooling yourself into thinking you are reproducing.

>>34720145
ITT: Normie who doesn't understand the ugly stuggle

>>34722862
I never said it needed to be just like how you hang out with guys. I may have recommended that you treat women more like how you treat men, but that's just so you'd stop putting up the barrier I assume you do every time you talk to one. It helped with me. Anyways, have you considered that woman's role in society has drastically changed from the way it used to be? They can have jobs now. There's stay at home fathers. There have been major pushes for equality since the times of Aristotle, don't you think that his perspective might have been, like every human on this earth, shaped by the society around him? And that bible verse only says that a woman shouldn't have authority over a man, no one has authority in a friendship. Also, the only scientific source you're providing for your claim is the word biology. The word biology is not a credible scientific source

>>34722880
You should've done cardio and got on a better diet first, and if your jaw was fucked then it might need surgery.

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>>34723073
We can have both surgery and workout

>>34722952
Yeah, some people are blessed with genes and parents instilling good behaviors with bad morals. That happens too. Others will need to change to improve

>>34722936
I never said all he needs to do is hit the gym and get a haircut, I just said that in the absence of what he needs most it wouldn't hurt. And you know, whether or not he fixes his looks will depend heavily on his personality.

>>34723009

>we should be cucked by natural selection and slaves to our biological impulses just because?

We should BE? We are already slaves to our biologic impulses. A set of rules may keeps us in check but the impulses are still there and will always be there. No one is magically asexual with no sexual urges. That's a fucking meme.

>You do it all the time when you fap, fooling yourself into thinking you are reproducing.

We masturbate because those biological impulses are there. Fapping alone won't stop me from craving an attractive woman given the chance. Still, fapping isn't being in control. You're still a slave to your biological urges.

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I'm always gonna shill this board for jaw implants
I got one only 2 years ago and I dont regret it one bit
The recovery was fast and the pain was worth it

>>34722962
No, staying sitting down on a computer all day, never exercising, having an irregular sleeping schedule, not taking care of yourself at all in a hygienic sense because you're too lazy to, things like that

>>34723086
Best option, as long as the surgery is purely correctional, cosmetic is a lot more like to mess you up in the long run.

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>>34723127
Another pic but this time from the side :^)
These are two different surgeries but the doc might be nice and give you a discount if you order both at the same time.

Sadly, i'm still autistic

>>34723117
If I had to pay thousands of dollars just to look normal I would probably be bitter and twisted about it.

Just like how guys who become aesthetic in the gym end up hating women once they realise just how shallow they are.

Being born ugly like that is going to fuck you up, one way or another.

>>34723155
The one in the post you replied to is definitely not correctional. Correctional Jaw surgery isn't nearly that drastic.

>>34723159
What kind of recovery is involved in that? What about the price?

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>>34723046

>Anyways, have you considered that woman's role in society has drastically changed from the way it used to be? They can have jobs now. There's stay at home fathers.

Yea and look at how degenerate our society has become. Women are in control of Sweden yet 1 in 4 women get raped there. Go figure.

>There have been major pushes for equality since the times of Aristotle, don't you think that his perspective might have been, like every human on this earth, shaped by the society around him?

Nope. You're retarded.

>Also, the only scientific source you're providing for your claim is the word biology. The word biology is not a credible scientific source

What? Do you actually think all what I just said is false? Haha oh please tell me you're trolling. Its common knowledge you fucking idiot. Weren't you taught this at school? Guess not because it seems you were too busy shoving your head up your ASS. Please disprove what I said. You'll maybe even win the Nobel prize if you do.

You haven't even come up with evidence yourself. Just more rhetoric bullshit.

>>34723117
>whether or not he fixes his looks will depend heavily on his personality.

It will depend on his income and financies (i.e. can he afford it)

It will also depend on whether he's a bluepilled normie retard who thinks that looks don't matter or whether he's redpilled and realises how detrimental his looks are to his success.

So yeah, getting cosmetic surgery doesn't demonstrate that you have a good personality.

>>34723046

http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/siblings-are-around-fifty-percent-related

http://www.shmoop.com/animal-behavior/finding-mate.html

>>34723000
Why I'm starting to feel that gym is overrated?

>>34722774
/r9k/ is a race to the bottom. Competing on who can be the biggest loser.

>>34719946
this thread ought to go away

>>34722818
You don't have the personality or the intelligence. If you did, you wouldn't be here whining but out getting laid.

>>34723032
Yes, that brand of normies is called "robots".

>>34723338
Who says I don't get laid?

You're projecting now.

>>34723134
None of those things would make the guy in op's pic even moderately attractive. He could very well be doing all of those things.

How important are cheek bones? Are they as important as the jaw/chin?

Expert opinion needed

>>34723090
No amount of personality change is going to help you if you are fucking hideous

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>>34722549
Yeah total mental gymnastics....
Its not like pic related was pardoned from jail and given a modeling contract for being so hot.
I totally just imagined all that.

>>34723679
anybody who's been alive for more than a year knows if you're good looking you can get away with a lot more shit

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It's all in the chin and jaw boys believe me if you get a chin and jaw you're set.

Pic related. Everywhere he goes he is praised as the most handsome man in the world.

>>34723679
>pardoned from jail for being hot

That's of course not true, but you will believe anything as long as it supports your bitter virgin worldviews. That guy isn't even hot.

>>34723938
>ugly virgin that has never touched a woman says someone with millions of fans and a modeling career "not even hot"
>my personality makes me more attractive than him
stop im gonna bust a gut

>>34724024
It's pointless arguing with retards like this.

No matter how much evidence they're provided with, they simply refuse to acknowledge the impact that looks have on life.

>>34724075
I was the one posting evidence ADVOCATING that good lucks will always trump personality.

>>34724101
Yeah sorry I meant that >>34723938 is the retard.

Should have clarified better.

>>34720012
Underrated truth. Men can find anything attractive; women can find anything ugly.

>>34719946
Holy shit, birdman

So how do you guys explain all the below average looking guys you see in public with wives and girlfriends?

>>34724206
They are just providers. Those wives and gf's just view them as a means of being fed and sheltered. They feel no emotional connection with those men. Make no mistake

>>34719946
most people aren't horrendously ugly but just mediocre looking, and as most things, this common wisdom applies to the median

>>34724024
Post link where it says he was pardoned from jail for being hot.

>>34724216
It's another "dateless virgin thinks he's an expert on girls" episode.

>>34724075
>evidence

Not a single shred was provided.

>>34724261
assmad roastie detected
aogdsa

>>34724216
Although every women are hypergamous, I like to believe that the culture where the said woman is raised can influence how money is important for her.

>>34724216
So do you have any proof of this or you just assume that the guy is providing for them just because? There are a lot of ugly deadbeats out there that get girls, I've seen it all throughout my life.

>>34719946
Can't even hang himself cause the noose has nothing to catch on

>>34724342
If he believes it, that's all the proof he needs.

Isn't it kinda shitty to be roasting this guy (who isnt even bad looking) while whining about how nobody likes unattractive guys?

Heres the fucking truth.

Looks are all that matters until the you hit your 30s. By then all the women in your age group are hitting the wall, the Chads are settling for something younger, they realized they wasted their 20s riding the cock carousel and built no real skills so now they need a beta provider. This is the time where money and establishment become the most important thing.

Simple fact is dont settle for some used up whore when you get to that age. If a woman isn't married by the time she's 30 then there is something seriously wrong. Date younger bitches and wife them up.

>>34720696
He is right but he is not talking about overall looks. Just maintenance looks. Your hygenie, your wardrobe, how you wear it, your physical fitness they all obviously affect your looks; some more obvious than others. And then there is stuff that you can't readily change.

This is where "aesthetics" came from. The way your face looks, your height, body proportion, dick size - the things you can't control

Then their is intangible things like humor, confidence, wealth, goals, motivation, talent, discipline, emotional intelligence. and self respect these things can also be managed and improved and play, albeit more subtlety, into your looks; the way you carry yourself.

Now if you are just totally fucked on aesthetics maybe there isn't much hope. Maybe depends how bad and how well you can make up for it in maintence looks and personality.

Yes, looks matter but if that's your excuse to just be mediocre blah in every other category why should anyone feel sorry for you?

tl;dr looks matter but some of it you can work on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoX_wEtwDk

enjoy

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My chin is ok?

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>>34719946
>we live in an age where people not born perfect have to undergo surgery just to get a girlfriend or any friends

>>34720696
All these hopeless robots who will refuse to believe this.

>>34724815
looks fine, freshman seth rogan

>>34719946

Could be worse. At least you're white

Rate mu chin pliz pliz senpai desu

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>>34724937
Forgot my pic xd xd

>>34721164
>People can respect that to the point that some girls will be willing to overlook that you're not a model, especially if you're also kind, intelligent and competent. If there are positive aspects to your personality.
>t. 2/10
No girl likes a guy for his personality, you dumb virgin.

>>34724954
How am I supposed to rate your chin when I can't even see it you obese lardass sack of shit

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But they're all fucking white males. You wouldn't be able to cross a street in Asia without being covered in bitches if you're white and not autistic.

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>>34723046
>biology is not a credible scientific source
You turbobeta white knights never fail to make me chuckle

>>34721848
>I plan to horribly murder liberals, women and non-whites when the race war begins only because of people like you.
This is why you're a virgiiiiiiiiiiin~

>>34724954

5/10 Might want to give this a shot:

https://www.mykybella.com

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>>34720038
>Because confident guys are Chad.
And Chad's get cucked by Tyrone and Jamals BBC, your point?

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>>34724978
I was in Singapore once and I don't think any women noticed me

>>34724488
Young women still want to date Chad.

The best you can hope for is being a beta provider to a used up whore. No thanks.

>>34725009

Fembot pls go.

Originalmente

>>34724834
this one really rustle my jimmies
I could and still can make male friends, but with women, they still expect you to look and behave like a Chad and than maybe, of course if you first approach them and carry a conversation then maybe next time she'll say hi to you. It's just so tiresome.

>>34724488
>Heres the fucking truth
>Goes on long, nonsensical, completely devoid of facts rant

Just another reminder why kissless virgins should stop pretending they know anything about girls and relationships.

>>34725091
You must be autism incarnate then. Of course no women would actually initiate a conversation with you out in the street; you must be in a social setting to avail your white privilege.

>>34719946
It's all about MONEY and POWER

>>34725153
>calls reality nonsensical because he's an angry virgin loser in his 20s
This board is hilariously transparent

>look like a nu-male from the front
>look like a caveman from the sides with prognathism

I don't understand

>>34722215
>Robots are just far too lazy to pay several thousand dollars for extensive facial augmentation
Does your mother know the midwife used you as a hackey sack?

>>34725238
Reality means things that are actually true, not memes dreamed up by bitter virgins in the basement.

Tread from yesterday, there are links with some scientific background about causes of ugly face.

>>34689421

>>34725317
>not true

Then prove him wrong. This is what everyone that ever says this shit isn't true fails to do.

>>34724954
Don't you mean your chins?

>>34724815

no its not, even if you twist your neck and gut your jaw out, your acne ridden, pussylipped face still gives me bad vibes.

I like your hair though.

>>34719946
i love how the people who sarcastically complain about this shit never do anything about their looks, and then even when they look perfectly fine and STILL FAIL they go full retard and compare themselves to models in pro photos.

>looks don't matter
when you've established common ground on values or interests in life, yeah looks don't fucking matter. what is your problem? have you never been on a beach, at a concert, or in a shopping center? the caricature of a nerd you posted still gets laid if he pursues that road. with that said, some people do value appearance heavily because of their lifestyle. as it turns out though, vast majority of people don't spend much time on their appearance and justifiably claim it "doesn't matter" aka it's a very low priority. the only confusion i could possibly fucking see in this thread is if you dipshits are the ones who care almost exclusively about how hot a girl is but since you're a loser with no experience you give up before you even try anything, seeing most hot girls with better looking guys.

>>34720038
I'm handsome as fuck and have exactly zero confidence because I never developed social skills and thought everyone hates me in highschool. Fuck you

>>34725502
>i love how the people who sarcastically complain about this shit never do anything about their looks, and then even when they look perfectly fine and STILL FAIL they go full retard and compare themselves to models in pro photos.

There is no fucking way to fix guy from op pic.

Only chance is 35k operation, that is painful as fuck, heal few months and has high chances to damage nerve ending on your face so you can have numb lips of chick to the end of your life

Once again. It was proved long time ago by scientific research and fucking common sense that looks matter the most.

Appearance and body language is much more important in human communication that your personality

LMAO


http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3043406/mobius_beauty.pdf?s..

>Experiments have shown that we consider attractive people "as more sociable, dominant, sexually warm, mentally healthy, intelligent, and socially skilled" than unattractive people.

>By the time cute kids become attractive adults, they've benefited from this bias for years, giving them higher levels of confidence.

>It's a "self-fulfilling prophecy,"

>>34720038
>accepted and encouraged
most handsome guys you will ever complain about are a dime a dozen in cities, where they are constantly competing with each other and/or getting into drama. a lot of them fall into alcoholism or drug abuse or get fat and stop being handsome altogether. if how well you fit into society has been driven by first impressions, i have to say that you are just a piece of shit and if you haven't been getting better at it you're a REAL piece of shit.

also confidence has absolutely nothing to do with "reinforcement" unless that's all you care about, you attention whoring tranny.

>>34725623
>only chance
only chance is you finally go outside and see that OP pic is not that rare or ugly.

>proved by scientific research
go outside

>more important
depends on the person. 60% of people are overweight and clearly don't give a shit about appearance.

>>34725645
>depends on the person. 60% of people are overweight and clearly don't give a shit about appearance.

huh, you are telling me to go outside, when I put research data and then your are showing your out of ass statistic about people being overweight assuming that everybody is from land of free

lel

I have been outside, I have uni degree, I have fucking job, but I still find funny normans who are lying to themself that looks does not matter, because they can not admit it, because it would mean they are shallow and vain.

>>34725645
>OP pic is not that rare or ugly.
he looks like a fucking cartoon character, like mandrake from dexters laboratory

>>34725682
your "research" emphasizes a study done on 10 fucking people and concludes that an entire fucking standard deviation of "beauty" corresponds to a higher wage of about a few percent. cunt.

you don't do shit with or anywhere near people and that's why you fail. keep failing.

>>34725713
stop watching so much tv.

>>34725343
He needs to prove himself right. You can't throw around retarded claims and then say it's everyone else's job to prove them wrong. You make retarded claims, you back them up or shut up.

>>34725682
>research data

What? Where?