>He worries about how to get a girlfriend when he has no career,

except most people have girlfriends before they finish high school regardless of their career education skills motivation and future

So no, your argument is completely flawed from the start and everything thereafter

>>34614634
> Find something to be passionate about

That's the problem, there's nothing, I don't really care about gf anyway, I agree with what you wrote, the gf comes after all that, especially the dream/ideal which motivates you to live.

>>34614679
Still, he's right that the gf should be secondary to your purpose

>>34614634
>You're supposed to get your shit together.
Except people who don't have their shit together get gfs all the time. Tho only thing that matters is how hot you are.

>>34614679
but they have fucking social skills you moron, high charisma can do wonders
most of robots on the other hand have shitty charisma and everything else

>>34614762
>high social skills

More live have had friends for years through whom they met their gfs, social skills are a meme.

>mfw all I have to do is join the .mil and pass BMT then I'm insta-qualified to get a gf
>and insta-qualified to get away with almost whatever the fuck I want
It's striking what kind of shit the normals will let someone get away with when they learn he's .mil or a veteran

>>34614762
>charisma
Just another word for physical attractivnes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

>>34614634
but op if anons follow your advice who will populate /r9k/

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>>34614634
>attracting a girl is the pinnacle of "having your shit together"

Except for the vast majority of normie relationships

>>34614780
you guys are beyond repair

>>34614908
Nice high horse, nigga.
Did you really expect people will take kindly to your condescending shit?

>>34614908
no one is beyond repair
just need a little determination

>>34614908
You are beyond retarded.

They're 21 and constantly have had friends since they were kids, some people never had friends to begin with or lost them all in highschool, it's a big fucking difference.

Either way wage cucking won't help these people.

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>>34614634

>You're supposed to get your shit together. Understand?

Dude I've seen fucking dudes living on couches with no jobs or vehicles and or anything going for them at all in life and they still have girlfriends. Because the girls find them physically attractive.

When I've had my shit together for a little while in college (cool job, car, apartment) it didn't mean fuck all to women either. (Mostly because every other guy she talks to has those things too, so it's irrelevant).

I'm not being held to a standard that random Chad's aren't held too. She wants you have your own money and physical belongings just so she can mooch off them too, her interest in those things is self-serving and nefarious.

>>34614744
Absolutely wrong. Being hot is useful; getting your shit together is a great way to succeed if you're not hot.

>leaving tutorial zone

Get my shit together so that a former slut can bask in all my glory without offering anything other than pussy

I think I'll stick with my 2D waifu...

>>34614950
The issue is not condescension. The issue is that you refuse to see the truth.

>>34616180
This is the lie you tell yourself so you feel better about being lazy and worthless, but it is not representative of reality.

>>34616288

Worthless according to normie standards. We are all meaningless machines and nothing really matters. Go on, get your females and make your brain release chemicals that make you believe your life is meaningful. In the end we all die together with all of our fond memories.

>>34616368
Paraphrasing Socrates: "I will go my way, and you will go your way. Whoever is right, we will know in the afterlife."

what the fuck do i do with a woman?

every single woman i've met has not been anywhere near the intelligence of a male friend

>>34616417
For the record, I did have a girlfriend once and am studying engineering at the moment. The thing is, I dont think chasing females is worth it. The prize is not actually a prize and you feel like shit getting rejected all the time. And yes, it does affect your self esteem.

>>34614634
Proof that women are nothing but soulless NPCs because they don't even need to level up to get anything.

>Find something to be passionate about. Something you want to do in the world.

impossible

time to roll over and die

>>34616450
Either you've met two women in your life or you are stupid and incapable of judging others' intelligence.

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>>34616226
>He doesn't see it the way I see therefor he is blind
pretty epic desu, desu VERY epic

>>34616094
Succeed as a beta provider who's only worth is her material and emotional needs. Good luck making women think you're hot and attractive just because you "got your shit together". Hahaha.

>>34616557
>he is blind therefore he is blind
Yep.

>Either find a craft you enjoy working with, or choose an academic field
no

>>34616554
Nah. Women can't even into STEM. Their carreer choices show how stupid they are.

>>34616576
You have no idea how women work or what they find attractive.

but then why do people have gfs in high school and college

they don't have careers

they don't have their shit together

Everything society tells you makes you successful is a guy is to make yourself more appealing to females. Real successful men are doing whatever the fuck they want. Whether it's playing video games or travelling.

>>34616606
I fucking do, it's very simple actually. We're animals after all. And money is not attractive but they will pretend it is so they can lock you as a provider. If I'm wrong, please, tell me how women work and what they find attractive. Make a somewhat long post for me to read. I'm waiting.

>>34616602
I have a math PhD. One of the most brilliant fellow students I knew was female. I am now a software developer and there are many female developers at the company who are extremely competent. You are an idiot.

>>34616655
How many of the most brilliant students were female and how many were male? How many of the coders from each sex in your company too. Why should I give any value to your anedocte when actual studies and facts state the complete opposite?

but how do I find something to be passionate about? or even somewhat interested in?

everything is boring, I'm boring, I'm always tired and I'm bad at everything

inb4 antidepressants, I'm already on em, but all they do is help me get out of bed. I'm still hollow with them. there's just nothing in life that gets me jazzed, I am always always tired and lazy

>>34616655

As an engineer from a top 20 uni in the world, I can safely tell you that I've never met a competent female. All the ones who reached their positions got there due to affirmative action. And the ones that didnt were terrible at their jobs or did them much worse than the average guy. Don't even get me started on female professors...

>>34616633
People with GFs in high school and college have nothing to do with how you can solve your no GF problem.

>>34616547
They are NPCs not because they dont need to level up but once you level up anon you will notice they literally cant level up beyond a certain threshold. Even philosophers were writing about how women are all the same with no virtues because its impossible for them. They are just what feminists say and hate because they try to be men and then they are miserable. They are a fuck object and fantasy for males and thats it. A child provider if you want also but nothing more than that and they even fail at that these days anyway.

>>34616726

>inb4 antidepressants, I'm already on em, but all they do is help me get out of bed.
>I'm still hollow with them. there's just nothing in life that gets me jazzed, I am always always tired and lazy

You know antidepressants do that? They don't make you happy, they make you numb, to everything, even the sadness. Why do you think people have a statistically increased chance of suicide when they first get on them.

>>34616762
doesn't sound too bad

I mean it probably sucks if you have ambition, but I have no ambition. I'd rather be that than be me.

>>34616762
Women begin at level 50 and have a level cap of 99 on easy mode, a boring game. Men begin at a random level, most of the times a low one but have no cap and play on hard mode but this means that they have more potential to have fun with the game in the long run.
Screencap this because I just figured out that games are useful to explain life.

You make a good point even though most guys with gfs that are in their 20's have none of that. The thing is is, having a decent job and moving out is a great start but it will not guarantee shit. You still need good looks and to work on your social skills. Something I am learning the hard way is outside of school you don't really meet girls at all.

>>34616801
OK so should I stop? I don't think I'll find my passion from under my bed covers

>>34616651
Read the OP. Men who do what is described there are attractive. Men with passions, ambitions, something to show for their lives. Men with social lives. Men who take care of their bodies and pay attention to their appearances.

>>34616723
What does 'how many' have to do with anything? You said women "can't even into STEM". I know they can.

>>34616837
>Men who take care of their bodies and pay attention to their appearances.
You should read the OP again, retard. He said nothing about "appearances". Looks are all that matters, everything else are buffs and multipliers for attractiveness.

>>34616861
What does you post has to do with anything? I made you questions and you answered them with another question. Don't evade. Straight to the point. Answer them.

>>34616837
>Men with passions, ambitions, something to show for their lives

This won't help you get laid or a gf. I mean they're good traits and all, but it won't make you attractive to women.

>>34616837
tl;dr: fake everything to get a fake girlfriend

yeahh no thanks

>>34616861
They can with affirmative actions. Dont even try to argue that women get there in masses because they are statistically as intelligent for those fields as men. Very few women are and most of those women who get good grades just memorize. Then they get work by simply being a woman in male dominated area and do some of the most boring repetitive work while feeling superior to everyone around them.

>>34616807
what if I don't like hard games? what if I like casual fun over grindy frustrating games?

I don't want to be dark souls, I want to be kirby's adventure

I don't get the supposed satisfaction from beating a hard game. certainly not enough to justify the time and effort futilely poured in

>>34616908
You all sound like a bunch of heroin addicts who debate how to get heroin. There are plenty alternatives to females that won't fuck up your life. Don't base your self worth on the acceptance of females.

You faggot I've done all of those things and have all those things. Kill yourself.

I go to university, I spend most of my time learning some new hobby or about something, I have goals, I have friends, but my entire life I have been ignored and spat on by women because I am physically unattractive. Nothing I can do will change that. I spend hours in the gym and grooming myself and changing my wardrobe and nothing changes. They will always choose someone else. I make a tinder and nothing changes. I even get matches and nothing happens. You simply don't understand the reality of people like us and what we are. It can't change and it won't change. I honestly hope you die, OP.

>>34614634
In order to get a used up hole I have to get a bullshit degree in a field I hate and have a career I also hate.
I don't think you understand how most of us here feel about things
>tfw no gf
doesn't mean I'm desperate, I'm not going to be a slave.
I'll be sad and lonely maybe, probably, but if your suggestion is the only option then you can keep it.

>>34616954
You learn to accept the game because you're not really the player but it's avatar character.

>>34616807
this analogy gives me a bit of hope funnily

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>>34616954
We cant anon. The only way is to find comfort in a bonfire with your fellow anons. Or a purpose in this purposeless wasteland. Our world is this while they have kirby adventures.

>>34616958
>Don't base your self worth on the acceptance of females.
Only a tiny minority of the people here are like that and you're panting any random user as one of them.

>>34617021
or I uninstall because it's not worth it

I can just look up the final boss online if I really cared

>>34617035
I'm glad, anon. Be sure that I'm not talking only about the dating game but about life in general. Women are not all there is to life.

>>34617085
There is no final boss for men. We play a sandbox game without an endgame. It's all about grinding and sidequests of our choice. Women have only a tiny range of quests that they can do because they are limited by the level cap.

>>34616738
Because you've never met them, or because you're a shitty judge of competency, no competent women STEM exist. What shitty school did you get into that let in an idiot like you?

>>34614634
>needs to get a job, an education, friends, an apartment/house to feel comfortable enough to ask a girl out

qt

>>34617150
it's no wonder I hate sandbox games. I crave direction. when I have to rely on my own intuition and creativity, I have an awful time

>>34617238
I believe that soon there will be a patch for a VR minigame inside this game and I'm waiting for it.

>>34616824
I met my GF outside of school. You need to get out more.

>>34616883
Once again, you have no idea how women work or what they find attractive.

>>34616899
I refuted your post. I don't need to answer your irrelevant questions.

>>34616908
They will and routinely do help many men be attractive to women. The fact that you think these traits are not attractive is a perfect showcase of how clueless or delusional you are.

>>34614634
>gf is the final stage of life
Mangina numale detected

Having a satisfying and/or prestigious career is infinitely more fulfilling than some roastie slit. Having a gf is more effort than its worth

>>34616928
tl;dr: you didn't read my post or have any idea what it said. Making yourself a better person is not 'fake' anything.

>>34617355
You didn't. Anedoctes have no value as arguments. Answer my questions.

>>34616935
I have personally met many women who are perfectly competent in STEM.

>>34614634
But by the time I finish uni and get a job I will only have access to Chad's leftovers.
I'd rather die than be this cucked.
This is unironically one of my concerns please help.

>>34614634
>doing shit to get a woman

You're pathetic, my man.

>>34614634

>Get out there and start your life

I am looking for ways to end it desu

>>34616984
Tinder is a fucking stupid and worthless way to try to get a GF. It really shows how clueless you are that that's your marker of how much you've tried. How many women have you ASKED OUT IN PERSON?

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>>34617451
>>34617355
>>34617385
>>34617330
>>34617269
Triggered normie who thinks he knows it and believe is helping anons with his therapy lessons so he can feel warm inside.

>>34617001
>a used up hole
You don't deserve love anyway.

>>34617150
>playing life
>reach level 18
>tutorial ends, game becomes a vast open world sandbox RPG
>spec'd my character improperly
>try to start the college quest
>don't meet the INT check or have enough gold
>"where do I get more INT?"
>idk just be yourself lol
>game is yelling at me to hurry up and pick a quest
>finally come across some enemies that drop INT gear
>not enough damage to kill them
>not enough gold to buy better weapons
>go to town job board
>all the jobs are boring and low payout
>high payout jobs require more fucking INT and CHR checks
>game is still yelling at me to pick a quest
THIS GAME IS FUCKING SHIT I DON'T WANT TO PLAY

>>34616984
>I hope you die because I can't get a dumb bitch to have sex with me

You're a great catch, anon.

>>34616655
You're overrating them because they have a vagina.

Try this: interact with a female and imagining a male acting that way instead.

>>34617463
>chad's leftovers
>cucked
You don't deserve love.

>>34617639
How did you find this board my dude?

>>34617545
Its also hugely pay to win and you cant even do what you want to do. Its poorly optimized, filled with NPCs all around you with overpowered cash shop items. There is no advancing and no good future updates except the update of trump emperor v 1.0 which you wont even participate because yo udont have the requirements for it.

Its a grind fest with no rewards for just because.

>>34617515
Feel warm inside? Nah. Just tired of your lies and delusion.

>>34614908
and there we go, like fucking clockwork

I'm going to inherit a real state business
still no gf

what now OP?

>>34614634
Ultimate bait thread. The ride never ends faggots.

You have a point anon.
and so do most help books.

The thing is though, what we lack is just "normalcy." Robots have strongly felt themselves with their identities and refuse to change it.

So what? Nothing happens. Ever. A human being cannot change dramatically overnight. Sure, maybe on the long term.

Unfortunately, an annoying part of being a robot is the self gratification. We have been disappointed about the long term things. Many of us are long term losers. Maybe some of us are only recently losers, but in the first place, refusing to plan for the future is what makes people losers.

So that's why we watch porn, anime, play games, browse 4chan. It's so fucking easy to do.

Everything you say takes incremental steps.

Not saying you're wrong. But please, consider the fact that robots lack long term planning skills. You're correct in that it largely involves discipline, but fuck, how do you start before havi enough discipline to carry it through all the way.

And then, we still have a weird discussion about robots having bad luck and trying over and over again to be shunned over and over again. There's still that.

You have good advice. Just try to consider your audience more carefully though.

>>34617639
Someone who not only never had eyes for you but also reject you and then came back when she's 30 and is now not attractive to Chads that are dating younger pussy or are married doesn't deserve love too. You agree?

Funny how it's not okay for men to have standards and find certain people not desireable while it's perfectly fine for women to label ugly guys creeps and then come back crawling when they made their usual poor career choices or need money to raise their bastard children. Is this love for you?

Get cucked, my nigga.

>>34617611
Not true at all, but try again.

>>34617741
>Robots have strongly felt themselves with their identities
Oh yeah. The "problem" is identity and not attractiveness.

>>34617660
Been here since it was started, friend.

>>34617785
Haha ok.

/original

>>34617330
>women aren't physically attracted to men
At last I truly see

>>34617385
They only work if you're already attractive/sociable. Nietzsche was one of the greatest philosophers of all time and was extremely talented and passionate, yet he still had no gf.

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>>34617706
Then fuck off to plebbit where you can circle jerk with your normie friends. I cant understand why are you wasting your precious time here. You must be a retard.

>>34617711
Normies never learn. Its a samefag with a heroic syndrome.

>>34617744
Again, you don't deserve love. You are hateful and delusional. Please fuck off.

>>34617948
roastie getting toastie

you know it's true, cunt

>>34617798
Not what I said, but keep strawmanning. I know you can't do anything else.

>>34617948
Is this your argument? How big is your brain when you reach the level 99 cap?

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>>34617948
This is pure gold. Are you a liberal feminist by any chance anon?

>>34617846
Not true, and your single example is immaterial. By the way, you can become more sociable.

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>>34617948
Yeah these worthless wastes of skin aren't worth your precious time.
If I were you I'd leave right now.

>>34617948
Are you the faggot from the other thread? No one deserves love, you retard. Not even your flappy used
roastie.

>>34618003
Not a strawman. Do you seriously think women are attracted to "achievements"? It's the other way around: she thinks Chad who lifts and watches Netflix is interesting but the beta literature student is boring.

>>34617849
Sorry you're so angry, friend, but I'm going to stay right here.

>>34618039
>Not true, and your single example is immaterial.
Good argument.

>>34618060
"Achievements" are """""attractive""""" when they are of any use to women.

>>34617963
I'm actually a man, and it's pathetic that your only response to opposing opinions is that I must be female. It perfectly demonstrates your lack of any real logic.

>>34618008
Sure, although I doubt that means what you think it does.

>>34618103
So you're a numale? Even more pathetic.

>>34618103
There is some logic to it. When your opinions are that stupid most chances are you're female.

>>34617948
You should at least try to argue something decent.

>>34614634
Girls are not worth all this effort. Perhaps it's worth it for one's self, but not for the sake of attracting a woman. Love isn't dictated by how ambitious one is or how much one makes (unless you're a woman .-.)

>>34614679
FPBP

Sex robots/prostitution will come flooding the US soon enough and kick women off their high horses. Men are going to wise up and realize they don't need to slave for pussy as it suddenly floods back into their faces, Chad's leftovers, and the new generation of women raised by lonely, dried up fruits that warn their young to be more enticing than a robot.

>>34618057
Am I a faggot or a roastie? Make up your mind, buddy.

>>34618060
Women are attracted to many things, and achievements are definitely one of them. Reiterating: the fact that you so vehemently deny this shows how little you know about women. You are utterly clueless.

Right idea, wrong approach: the threadening.

>>34618171
Faggot is usual slang for anyone that frequents this place.
>Women are attracted to many things
Yeah. Everyone is attracted to money. That doesn't mean they are sexually attracted by your """""achievements""""".

>>34618141
Yes, I'm so pathetic with my 100k a year job and my GF.

>>34618171
>Women are attracted to many things, and achievements are definitely one of them. Reiterating: the fact that you so vehemently deny this shows how little you know about women. You are utterly clueless.
I'm saying that women don't know how to judge "achievement". Have you ever noticed how women act with men? They'll swarm around Chad and ignore every beta. Achievements are a plus, but usually by that women mean money (aka beta bucks). They vastly overrate the "achievement" of attractive males to not look shallow. If I became, say, a critically acclaimed painter, I probably would still find it difficult to get a gf, because I'm not attractive and I'm not sociable.

>>34618242
Your gf is cucking you, just so you know. Isn't it funny how you had to get a job to get a gf while she just had to exist? You want to be some woman's slave and jester when she can just leave you whenever?

>>34618171
I don't think you get what we're saying that being attracted to our achievements isn't a desirable quality in a partner. It is literally the last thing I'd want you to like me for, because it clearly shows that I'm just provider material in your mind.

Literally attractiveness is always superior, not only in female eyes but the male too; notice, men never care how much their female partners make, or whether they have ambitions or any of the things in OP. Why is that? Why don't females ever feel this need to go out and "achieve" to attract a partner?

It's just attractiveness, it's basic animal instinct, and it's the most secure foundation for a relationship (besides this beta cuck's money methods >>34618242) there is.

>>34618252
Wrong on all fronts. Don't know what else to tell you. You clearly don't interact with women much if this is what you think.

>>34618275
Exactly this. If you marry in today's world of hypergamous females, you're a cuck and you're setting yourself up for failure. These women do not know and cannot comprehend the meaning of marriage, of true long term commitment (except with Chad) and she will divorce rape you as soon as she's tired of giving you obligatory sex once a month.

>>34618275
>cucking
Nope.

>had to get a job
Nope, I was a poor grad student when we started dating.

>slave and jester
Far from it.

>>34618346
lol I hit close to home

>>34618367
Have fun with that divorce, cuck

>>34618367
>grad student
>doesn't think he was a prospective beta male provider in her eyes
Wake up buddy. I know it's a hard reality to accept, but she's probably got your balls so at least try for prenup

>>34618385
It's pretty sad that you have to make up cuckold fantasies about anyone else who has ever been successful with women so that you can sleep better at night.

>>34618413
ok lad, just remember this post when you come running back here crying once she gets bored of you

>>34618413
>What are modern divorce rates
>What are countless bluepill examples of cheating wives who still successfully divorce rape

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>>34618413
It's pretty sad how you fell from being the preachy douche to responding to shitty pointless insults.

>>34618452
If she gets bored of me I'll find someone else.

>>34618496
You'll become depressed and poor due to child support
>>34618480
Hell, most wives who cheat aren't even caught. The man is entirely oblivious. 10% of British men are unknowingly raising a kid that's not theirs.

>>34618413
Just prep the bull anon. Brown bulls are superior to white men. You shouldnt be writing here but instead prepping.

>>34618597
Please take your ridiculous fetish back to /pol/ where it belongs.

>>34618530
True, it's so easy for a woman to have NSA sex anytime, anywhere, it's almost irrational for her to deny a proposition if she thought she'd get away with it

So a normie comes to board filled with literal social outcasts and starts giving "advice" to robots on how they can get a gf. Work hard, study hard, make money, improve yourself and maybe, maybe you will have the chance to get a gf. there is just one small problem with this advice. the MAJORITY of people do not have to follow any of this advice. they can literally just be themselves and they will have a much greater chance of getting what we have to work for. and for how long months, years.

FUCK OFF.

No one asked for your advice and then you get offended when noone wants to listen.

>>34617948
Fucking unironically kill yourself please

I want to agree with you because then it would make sense to me a way thats very satisfying for the male brain. Especially one raised on computer games.

One checkpoint and objective after the next. Building to a logical collusion and result.

Sadly I don't believe this is the case. In fact I think having a girlfriend you love at a young age (and especially having a family young) is the best motivator to get the other things.

Most of the hardest workers I've known where guys who had families 'too young' and they seemed happy enough.

Whereas myself and other young men what where we working so hard to bring the cash home to? Some stranger in the future. Probably a fucking cunt like the girls that look down on us all day.

I'll get a used up roastie settling for me if i get anything at all. It's very hard to maintain motivation to spend the majority of my waking life working with that mindset. If my high school romance was anything near requited I'd have been more inclined to stay in education and pursue success.

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The only thing that matters when trying to get a gf is physical attractiveness or wealth

>>34614634
>He worries about how to get a girlfriend when he has no career, no education, no friends, no skills, no motivation and inevitably, no future
Have career, education, a few friends, skills, motivation. It's not enough?

>>34614634
> He worries about how to get a girlfriend when he has no career
programmer / analyst
> no education
master of computer science
> no friends
Close friend living in other country, two good friends
> no skills
Programming, writing, some guitar.
> no motivation
I train 4 times a week, read every day, I'm learning French and couple job-related skills
> and inevitably, no future
Hopefully false. I have plans of getting a house soon, and starting my own company.

All in all I've got my shit together. And you know what?

It's lonely at the top. I don't even consider most women because like you say - they have no future. And I think that I'm lowering my standards for most of the girls that I fancy... and I still can't get a gf.

>>34618932
I don't get offended. I just think you're stupid for ignoring the truth.

>>34619323
I would only ironically kill myself, sorry.

>>34619405
I was a complete failure with women in school and didn't lose my virginity until 23, but that didn't stop me from constantly working to improve myself, because I knew it was worth it to make my life better, and I knew that it would be worth it to get a GF. This bullshit you spew about the "fucking cunts who look down on you" and the "used up roastie settling for you" is just that - bullshit. It's nothing but rationalization about why you should stay a failure. Because if you lie to yourselves about how success isn't worth it, then your miserable life is just a little bit more bearable.

>>34619445
A lie just like so many others you tell yourselves. A lie that only a virgin that does not interact with women could possibly believe.

>>34619894
> lol youre just stupid
why did i expect a proper response from you.

>>34619968
Yeah, and
>lol the world is unfair so let's all be miserable failures
is a proper response to me.

>>34614634

I just want a loser gf to complain about life with desu

You're right, though. 24, have very few of those things; don't really want any of them either. It's not worth it

>>34619647

Exactly, you can have your shit together (I do as well) and still not even come close to getting a gf. Meanwhile losers with no job and drug addictions are destroying pussy. What is the point?

This is the most fucked up, depressing, mentally ill thread I've seen here in some time. Really ruined my mood kiddos.

>>34619959

If a woman doesn't find you physically attractive she won't date you. Sorry fampai. Your only other option is to be wealthy enough to be a sugar daddy

>>34620202
whats the point of calling them kiddos? belittling them?

are you aware youre a morally bad person, or do you lie to yourself?

>>34620215
A woman can find you physically attractive as a result of getting to know you and being impressed with who you are as a person, even when she might not be interested in you right off the bat or based only on your looks.

>>34615974
hitting close to home fampai.

I'm not even ugly, just average.

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>>34620248
>tried this multiple times
>friendzoned every single fucking time

o wise one tell me what i'm missing here

>>34619996
but the world isn't a fair place. you sit on your high horse and act like everything is easy and because you can do it then everybody else should be able to but thats just not the case. people are different, some just got dealt better cards before the game even started. and you blame the people that got dealt worse cards. you think they have no reason to be bitter and angry about what has been handed to them.

>so let's all be miserable failures
yeah why cant you just let us be miserable failures? to those of us who want to improve our positions in life then they will actively seek out help and maybe your words might help them. but if someone doesn't want help and you constantly lecture and berate them it just leads to them having more resentment.

also my original post was about how tedious your advice is and about how it doesn't seem worth it. It wasn't about being a miserable failure at all.

>>34620269
have you tried being attractive? I'm pretty sure you would have much better odds if you were attractive.

>>34620269
Tell me about yourself. What are you doing for school/career, do you take care of your body, do you have a social life, who were these girls you asked out and how did you know them?

>>34620284
Of course the world isn't a fair place. Any expectation that it should be is idiotic. I do think it's stupid to be bitter and angry about failure when that failure is self-imposed, and when that anger and bitterness is used to tell yourself lies about how the world works and to continue to be unhappy, instead of working to better your life. You may have it harder than some people but you have it easier than a lot of people as well, and making up stories about how only Chads can succeed and how all women are whores is stupid and counterproductive.

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>>34620328
>just be attractive lmao

>>34620400
>do you take care of your body
ok so i have to be physically attractive gg

i started a diet the last time i started dating. i'm overweight but it's not visible unless im shirtless or wearing a tight-fitting shirt, neither of which she saw

>what are you doing for school/career
international relations meme degree to do embassy work

>social life
more than she did

>how did you know them
church and later community college

>>34618171
>Am I a faggot or a roastie? Make up your mind, budy.
Why not both?

>>34620500
So you've been on dates? That means you're 95% there and miles ahead of the rest of these saps. What are you even upset about? Lose some more weight and keep at it.

>>34620400
>failure is self imposed
yeah fuck right off cunt

i was born with aspergers to a teen mother in a foreign country who married a US marine who was cold and a hardass and was rarely around for me, and i had to move every 3 years which made it impossible to forge lasting friendships until after high school, whilst living in housing where all the neighbor's kids were half my age

don't tell people jack shit about social failure being 'self-imposed'

>>34620574
So what? Does all that shit mean you're incapable of improving your social skills now? I'll tell you: it doesn't.

>>34620566
kind of hard when i only meet a new girl once every 2 years

my failure rate would be ok if it was once a month which is not the case

>>34620590
Then your problem is that your social circle is too small. You need to work to meet more people.

>>34620400
>I do think it's stupid to be bitter and angry about failure when that failure is self-imposed
Wow thanks anon. I never realized that I chose to be bullied and harassed. I was just a fucking kid that wanted to make some friends and people treated me like shit both at home and at school. and when i gave up on trying to make friends, I just wanted to be left alone and i was still bullied. What am i supposed to do when the people who were supposed to care for me allowed this shit to happen?

>There are people being raped and tortured at this very moment so you don't have the right to complain. do you know how lucky you are.
what fucking argument is this? of course there is always someone worse off than me but that doesn't make what i went through trivial.

>making up stories about how only Chads can succeed and how all women are whores is stupid and counterproductive
I am not making up stories. I'm saying they have better odds, sure a robot can get lucky or even work hard and be successful but they are significantly less.

>>34620637
I'm not saying what you went through was trivial or Chad doesn't have better odds than you do. No shit. I'm saying you can work hard and succeed, and it's stupid to spin lies about how the world works as an excuse to give up and be miserable. Look at this sorry thread - I dare to say that I am happily in a relationship, and people jump down my throat with all this shit about how she's cheating on me, how she's going to divorce me and take my money, how she's going to get bored of me and leave me an empty husk. It goes on and on. They tell themselves these stories because it justifies not trying to get a GF. But it's bullshit.

>>34614634
I've accepted that I'm not going to have a gf.I do get jobs but I get fired alot. I got a new job, but for now I'm just praying I can keep it. I can't offer stability. I just work for myself. That way no one can get mad at me if they don't expect anything out of me. Having someone that depends on you is scary. Despite my social anxiety and low self esteem, I still don't fit to have a woman with me.

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>>34620587
Then you completely missed the point: that I'm handicapped compared to the rest of the general population because of factors wholly outside of my control. That's not self-imposed and even you should me smart enough to understand this. Can I work to improve it? Yes! I can take years to swim up a fucking waterfall to get myself up to a normal social standard, by which time most women my age will be married (save those unwilling to even humor the idea)

Silly me, I've just self-imposed my lack of social skills! My bad!

>>34620786
dude, it's not even that, I make fucking six figures (in the midwest, not some overpriced shithole like NYC or LA). and I'm tall but average in the face. Even I can't get a qt gf.

I got super /fit/ and guess what, now butterfaces with good bodies want to fuck me, but I still can't get a qt.

The only one who wins is Chad.

>>34620839
It's not self-imposed that you started out in a worse position in this regard than most other people. It is self-imposed that you choose not to improve your situation.

>>34620886
So you're a butterface with a good body and butterfaces with good bodies want you. What's the problem?

>>34620910
>So you're a butterface with a good body and butterfaces with good bodies want you. What's the problem?

I'm not a butterface, I'm average and girls with below average faces want me. I'd be happy with an average girl, but they all want Chad.

>>34620741
>I'm saying you can work hard and succeed, and it's stupid to spin lies about how the world works as an excuse to give up and be miserable.
Yeah I can work on it. but do you know how long this shit will possibly take just to bring me to an average level? There are no lies and I am not making excuses. I DO NOT WANT THINK ITS WORTH IT. I have accepted that I will most likely be miserable and alone for the rest of my life and that's ok. I have given up. I realize that I am no longer being bullied right now and that I am in control of my life but I believe that I am beyond repair and have opted out. The damage has been done.

>>34620886
>I got super /fit/ and guess what, now butterfaces with good bodies want to fuck me, but I still can't get a qt.

You got height and 6 figures. I'm 5'9 and not a penny to my name. You offer stability and attractive enough to get girls to flock to you. A woman finding me attractive is rare. I only get hit on by 1or 2 women 1 a year. You're in a way better position than I am. Hell, if you go to Japan, you can easily land a qt

>>34620926
Sounds like you are misjudging your own attractiveness in relation to the attractiveness of the women who want you.

>>34620969
I think it's silly to resign yourself to a shitty life because you don't want to put in several years of self-improvement. What you seem to be missing is that doing this self-improvement will make your life better in ways other than the eventual romantic companion you find. But fine; you acknowledge that you could succeed if you tried for long enough, but you don't think it's worth it. Even if I think it's foolish, your mindset is a lot better off than most people on this board.

>>34620910
I mean you're not wrong about me having to improve but i damn well have a right to be angry about my disadvantage

plus even improving myself isn't going to guarantee a GF or even improved odds at one

>>34621035
Improving yourself most certainly guarantees improved odds at getting a GF.

>>34621164
>Improving yourself most certainly guarantees improved odds at getting a GF.

Not if you're short, ugly, and have autism

>>34614634
Except I have a job, am in professional school, and have friends

You're right, I have no excuse

>>34621260
>Not if you're short, ugly, and have autism
thats not true anon. it does improve your odds. Its just that its not going to make a big difference. its like jumping from 5/100 to 8/100.

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>>34614634
Sitting in my room, whining is incomparably easier than working on fixing my problems.
I'm a manchild, you can't subject a child to same standards as yourself.
I skipped vital steps in mental development and now I'm too old for people to be able to force that development into me.
There is no cure for this. No matter how much sense you make I will ignore it.
I'm not the only manchild in this thread and you should be aware of it and stop treating us like mature people.

>>34614634
I was going to make a motivational thread as well tonight but OP really took the words out of my mouth

>>34614634
>no career,
Wrong
>no education,
Irrelevant
>no friends,
I have a few
>no skills,
Such as?

I don't have a gf because I am boring compared to other guys. It takes a while for any woman to like me because I can't immediately connect to people
I also have no car

>mfw I'm going to do everything OP says and then torture women emotionally as revenge for not liking me all these years.

I won't let you down OP!

>>34621353
then what is even the point of improving for so little gain in odds? protip there is non

inb4 not same anon

>>34621677
because the more you improve the more points you will gain. it will take years getting up to a decent level. a level that most people were born with. but have no fear once you have been working on yourself for at least 3 years women might start looking at you as if you were actually human. and once youve hit 30 she can settle for you and you can meet your true love. the one who you worked so hard for.
congrats

>>34614634
if i don't have a GF and cant function socially there is really no fucking point in doing anything

The fuck is this "ambition" shit about?
Is "be ambitious" the new "be interesting"?
Of all men who untill now reproduced, how many of them were/are ambitious, smart or interesting? Most of them are just common people with humble aspirations, and there is nothing wrong with that.
My shit is kinda together (got a job and a place of my own) but I can't see myself in a relationship with a woman. You surely understand unless you are a normalfag.

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>>34614634
>He worries about how to get a girlfriend
I honestly don't

I've always been ugly, self conscious and unwanted, so I never expected anything

The >tfw no gf thing is just a meme for me, I gave up a while ago

>>34614634
>look up scholarship offers online - you'll be surprised what exists out there

yeah, if I'm a woman or a minority. Otherwise you're shit out of luck.

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>Experiments have shown that we consider attractive people "as more sociable, dominant, sexually warm, mentally healthy, intelligent, and socially skilled" than unattractive people.

>By the time cute kids become attractive adults, they've benefited from this bias for years, giving them higher levels of confidence.

>It's a "self-fulfilling prophecy,"

I really feel no urge to go after women. I'm starting to think that it's because I masturbate at least once a day.

I'm kind of okay with it desu. But I wonder if that's the reason.

>>34621412
This
If somebody was basement dweller between age 12-25, its hard to repair.

People during young age develop socially and mentally.

Learning during school is not only about math and physic, they are learning social interactions and shit, learn on mistakes etc.

Now lets assume that we have for example 25yo neet, there is a high chance that he is physically ugly, he can change his weight, but being bald babyface chinlets with overbite will not help in social interactions.

Now our 25yo khv neet have social skills and experience of 12yo kid when it comes to talking with people or being with girl.

OP, avg women at age of 25yo guy had at least few bf and now is looking for mature relationship while our neet still waits for his "first love"

its really fucked.

>>34622200
it's just a never ending way for normies to virtue-signal at the unwanted. Once you reach one of the milestones they set for you they will come up with a new one and that will be the new excuse as to why you don't have a gf.

>>34622429
Well, I was ugly kid, I am ugly adult and I was heavly bullied by aesthetic chads.

It is better to be good looking, even fucking cashier in grocer treat you like a human.

>>34622436
i was a very cute child became a very ugly teen heavily bullied self confidence decimated, regained good looking as an adult i grew into my looks now am a non socially functioning lonely miserable virgin because of intense bullying in teen years

>>34614634
Fuck off queer, I don't want a girlfriend. Women are evil and there's nothing you can do or say to prove me wrong

>>34616578
>if it isn't my view it isn't right
I'm not sure if you're baiting or prepubescent.

>>34622436
at the end of the day who is most at fault that situation?

>>34621412
Is this a little girl? She is so cute, fuck

>>34622520
No one.
Stars aligned wrong and this is the end result.

>>34614634
Moving out wouldn't make a meaningful difference to my life, it's more about just leaving my parents alone. I am never going to find a woman anyway.

>>34622629
i just wish it didnt have to be this way, i could have had a family but now they will never exist because avoidant personality disorder

But I have an education and a career, some skills too

>>34621808
>settled for in order to gain financial support after she rides the cock carousel

no point

>>34614634
I want all real robots in this thread to acknowledge the the turbonormalfag known as OP is literally instructing us to
>just bee urself and do anything