Why can't the government give everyone a tiny house and

Too much debt to do that. Once the robots take over, everyone will have their government-issued apartment with government-issued VR machine and food tubes to keep them alive.

a student came up with the solution to put the homeless in those metal shipping containers but the government denied it because the solution was too good

99% of any first world nation wouldn't accept a small house to live in. everyone is too greedy

>>34467648
Shipping containers aren't aesthetic enough

Small houses are out of the question.

Like >>34467642 said, once the robots take over and all the normies who are out of work get killed in a civil war, the government will give us all khrushchyovka apartments, small allowances, and chemical lobotomy pills.

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>>34467669
except they are already a thing

>>34467610
With what money? You'd have to raise taxes on the wealthy. It'll happen eventually, though, when too many jobs get roboticized/digitized and it's no longer necessary or possible to yoke us all to a capitalist system of selling one's labor. I can only wonder what that revolution will look like, though.

>>34467661
Well there's a lot of bots here who are still stuck with their parents and would love to move out. And there are alot of homeless people who could be better looked after.

>>34467610
>ywn live in a tiny house neighborhood with other neets

i dont think it will ever be possible to create housing for the homeless. i believe every corporation or goverment would get greedy and offer the houses to someone that is willing to pay more than a homeless person

>>34467699
>have enough money to build a wall across the border to Mexico
>don't have enough money to give your neets a home
Sad!

>>34467699
With the money those people housed will pay in taxes once they have their own home to live in and get jobs.

>>34467724
>tfw no humble neetmunity of like-minded peers who all keep to themselves

>>34467732
That's called a mortgage. You get one by renting for a while to build a credit history and then buying a house.

>>34467727
Money is only worth spending when it's a pointless act of spite, evidently, and definitely not when it might help someone with less than a billion dollars net worth.

>>34467610
living in a small house like this away from big cities is literally my dream

>>34467898
What about a big canvas hot tent inna woods?

I live in a small house in a rural town, 2 hours from the closest city and I kind of hate it. I like how quiet it is but everything else is awful.

Grass is always greener on the other side.

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>>34467695
>>34467740
>>34467724
stop giving me feels right ficking now

>>34467610
U mean like they do for african immigrants

>>34468059
wherr do you live sweden or something?

>>34467669
The real estate industry and associates (apartment landlords, housing developers, etc.) don't want you to know that shipping containers are one of the most efficient housing spaces available. With minimal redevelopment, you have a solution far better than a trailer, and can even put as many as you want together to build a shipping container mansion. All you need is the land to put it on.

>>34467610

Because its a hugely expensive outlay, everyone who actually owns houses won't want to subsidise useless people via their taxes. Your best and most realistic option are Soviet era brutalist towers. Good luck with those.

>>34467642
This will never happen. You will starve in the streets before the government gives you free stuff. The only way to solve it is to riot and destroy the robots. It's why complete automation will never happen.

>>34468279
And that's a very good solution once you Duterte all the drug dealers and other gang leaders. The US projects only failed because the government didn't do that. Communist bloc didn't have much crime in their projects because their government had the balls to shoot you for being a criminal faggot.

>>34468401

>actually believing Soviet towers weren't rife with crime
>actually believing the police or government would give a shit and that the police weren't corrupt and profiting from the occupants.

Stick up the towers in Nowheresville, send the poor and useless out there to rot and let the rest of us go about our business.

I just want to live isolated in the forest.
I want a wood cabin, I've already drafted the entire floorplan, with a solar panel roof to provide electricity. This'll run my basic appliances (fridge, freezer, electric stove, my laptop and the sat internet receiver)
I'll have a decent sized garden and the idea is to get proficient enough at growing my own crops, trapping, fishing and hunting to become self sufficient (although I'll have some form of settlement within traveling distance for when I inevitably do need new supplies)
It just feels like it'd be such a fulfilling, wholesome lifestyle.

The government is pretty good.
People with deep pockets just have more say than the government and want to treat workers like shit because it pays off for them to do it.
If the major economic players didn't want to fuck everyone, the government would have to be in a position to do something about it. Rather unfortunate that people pretty much have to turn to the government for help over this and only will increasingly have to.

>>34468450
>the idea is to get proficient enough at growing my own crops, trapping, ...
l-lewd

>>34467727
>beaners cost us much more than neets
>wall is dirt cheap compared to obongos spending

Really gets the grey matter galloping

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>>34468436
At least the Soviet towers weren't as much a shithole as East St. Louis and places like it were at the height of the crack epidemic and still were less a shithole than East St. Louis is now. Thank god the government built the Interstate through East St. Louis so anyone driving through there can see one of America's greatest ruins.

>>34467695
wtf I would live in this

>>34468450
Have you calculated how much power draw all of those appliances would be? That's a lot of power draw, anon. I would ditch the electric stove.

I used to live somewhat off grid with my hippy family 14+ years ago if you have any questions.

>>34468689
>ditch the electric stove
I suppose wood-burning is an option considering how much hard wood I'd be surrounded by. I'd still like to have one of those little electric hotplates and a microwave for convenience.
>my hippy family
Did you wear clothing?

How can people say the economy would collapse if there was a basic income for everyone, people would still need to spend money on food, rent, bills etc

>>34467610
>Why can't the government give everyone a tiny house and an allowance to live on?
Because those things cost money, and other people shouldn't be forced to pay for your shit you retarded leech.

Get a job or die.

>>34468845
Who will make, grow and gather food when you don't need to? People work for money, and if money isn't an issue then people won't work.

>>34468749
Hot plates and microwaves use a lot of power. Realistically you won't be using them very often, but they could lead to problems if it's the middle of winter and your solar panels aren't getting much sun.

>Did you wear clothing?

Yeah, hippies was probably the wrong word, but my dad sold his business, bought a patch of land, planted a huge garden and a bunch of fruit trees and we lived there for 15 years or so. Neither of my parents had "real jobs" at the time, we were fairly self reliant.

We did rely on outside electricity more and more as my brothers and I got older, and we still went shopping to buy some essential stuff like flour, cooking oil, etc.

>>34467610
To crippling and way to easy to exploit.

>>34468871
>Who will make, grow and gather food when you don't need to?

Robots. What a stupid question.

Next time just use your head. If it's a job than an illegal could work, then the job will be taken by a robot in the next 10 years.

>>34468845
i really hope this post is satire

>>34468845
They don't understand that ubi was thought up and proposed as a concept to help capitalism. It's also probably the most efficient way to do things as people can decide what they need for their situation and then go get it themselves decentralizing production and distribution away from the government and putting that money back into the pockets of producers/workers whom in turn put it back into the pockets of the government and then repeating the cycle like a healthy economy should.
Then you can go get a job to make shit because production of stuff is still going to require people to pay for it to be produced and to sell it, except people are better able to buy products that are worthwhile after having their basic needs met making business better for sellers as they now have more potential consumers to buy from them.

>>34468870
>>34468871
Had a friend with a boyfriend in the netherlands. It's socialist over there. He had a subsidized apartment, got subsidized food and got an allowance of like 500 guilders (fuck I do not remember the actual amount) for spending money.

He was able to live comfortably. The thing is, if he wanted say the latest gaming system or a car or anything like that he would have to get a job.

>get a job or die
Disability is working out nicely for me friend ;)

>>34468933
shut up. nobody cares

>>34467610


Are you too lazy to get yourself a job, save up, learn how to use building tools and make yourself a little home of your own? Especially as an Amerilard you are not crippled by regulations as an Eurofag is in that department.
There is a simple reason why the government does not give away shit for free everywhere, money does not grow on fucking trees.

You guys are completely brainfucked and dejected from reallity.

>>34468933
Of course it's capitalist. It helps makes things more like the time when capitalism worked from the 50s to early 70s. Things weren't perfect then but were better than now.

>>34468993
Local governments (where corruption in the US is most alive) will screw you over in so many ways. They don't want you to be able to do that.

>>34468933
Don't listen to >>34468969
I care!

>>34467695
so many different places a black bull could fuck my wife!

>>34467610
How do you imagine them doing this?
Who will they force to build them?

>>34468933
>ubi
>working for any length of time

>>34469041
Trained electricians, plumbers, welders, etc. People who have marketable skills and aren't satisfied with NEETbux.

>>34469027
no. you dont care either

>>34469068
sounds good, now whos paying for it.

>>34468948
>Disability is working out nicely for me friend ;)
You are mooching trash.

>>34469091
People who pay tax and earn substantially more than people with NEETbux.

>>34469091
I am an engineer who got hit by a car 6 months ago. I cannot sit or stand for more than maybe 30 minutes at a time. Realistically I'll only be on disability for a year or two until my back heals. I admit I intentionally posted that fact in a really cheeky way, but still, thanks for all the assumptions :)

>>34469011
I did not say that there are absolutely no regulations which will fuck you over, you will have to work around like everyone does.
If you think that the corrupt politicians in America are bad, you have to come to Europoor and see how bad the non-corrupt bureaucrats are here.

I live in Germany and here you could theoretically make a small home at one of the gardening communities. There you have a small hut and a relatively large area around it you can rent and it does not cost nearly as much as an apartment over here. You have access to a water network (water is cold, but whatever) and are connected to the electrical grid.
Now, seems like you are good to go and do whatever the fuck you want right? Wrong.

-regulations which prevent you from extending the hut
-regulations which prevent you from using this as your permanent adress
-some old as fuck community overseer will rape your ass at every point and for every inconvenience
-forbidden to use a ton of shit because of pollution regulation, even when you are extremely careful and the old fart watches your every move anyway
-noise regulations with no one around you
-etc.etc.etc.

You guys do not know how good you have it over there, for every corrupt faggot in the local government you have 10 loopholes you can exploit to get what you want.

There is only one reason you guys do not live in a comfy hut of your own yet, you are too lazy and stupid to go through with it.

>>34469056
Why wouldn't it work?

>>34469091

The world produces enough goods for everyone to live comfortably.
Humanity these days can survive without the system forcing to find work

>>34469273

Or at least allowing humanity to go at a slower pace. There is no reason to have a Master at 22, and already have 10 work experience when you are 30.

>>34469273
The capitalists don't want that because they'd only be making XX million dollars a year (or god forbid only X million) instead of XXX million.

>>34469196
Because of how currency functions.
If everyone on the planet receives 300$ the value of 300$ becomes 0$.

The US lacks social programs for robots. Everything costs money, therapy, training everything. Mental illness is only reserved for the extreme fuck ups, not for the mild fuck ups that we are.

Europe is well off in that regard.

>>34469409
I doesn't matter the route it takes. The 300$ will necessarily become worthless.
In the first case of printing it would be worthless through inflation. In the second case of redistribution, the change of holdings from productive to unproductive people and expected output is going to drop ceteris paribus money is worthless.

Thats not how anti trust laws work my friend. Tell me how are you supposed to determine the objective value of a sold good? Using macro definitions such as aggregate demand in micro is backwards.

>>34468590

Have you ever actually been to an eastern bloc country?

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>>34467695
That's literally so beautiful. I'd totally live in a shipping container that isn't even half as furnished as this!

>>34468373
Who do you think the government is?

>>34469056
You wanna know why I don't agree with your sarcastic statement?
People have been saying it's necessary to make people suffer and work since like the 1800's. It's like saying "I don't think anyone would sign up to go to war if they could just get a regular civilian job instead" when it happens anyway. People who are super rich Bill Gates for instance could stop working at any time he'll never run out of money in his life ever it's practically impossible. He could literally walk around dropping hundred dollar bills from a backpack every few minutes of his waking life for the rest of his life and he'll never go broke or poor. He could of stopped working at any fucking time instead he's still doing shit to make money.

Just head to Utah bro

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/22/home-free

>>34469580
>could of

post disregarded.

BTW all these retards saying the US govt can't afford it, fuck you. Look at your defense spending for a start. You know you've poured a billions into Afghanistan that's disappeared right

>>34469607
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/12-ways-your-tax-dollars-were-squandered-afghanistan-n528771

Creating a maximum wage would help subsidies housing for everyone . which should be an inalienable human right to shelter . Not pay off a mortgage until your 65 , sell house at 80 die in old folks home at 90 . spending your whole life just for a roof over your head and never actually owning it !

>>34467610
Why?
It'd just encourage laziness and stagnation.

>>34469659
What's wrong with that normie?

>>34469652
Rich bourgeoisie assholes hoard all the wealth !

>>34469580
You didnt even disagree with my statement, you just assumed my argument and posted a fallacious response. Wanna know why it wont work? Because if you give people a basic income the currency in which the income is denominated becomes worthless. There are many issues with it but thats pretty much the showstopper.

To any anons with a good heart out there, but are only looking at this as a lump-sum scenario, just know that an act like this would warp the biggest economies in the world more heavily than I'd ever wish to be true. Global finance is so heavily ensconced and betwixt in each other's markets that this would make a world-crashing bubble.

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you think if you were still aloud to make 10 million a year you would be a lazy cunt ? the multimillionaire jackasses are what is wrong with the world ! Banking cartel

> Give me a free house
> Give me money for nothing
> What? WORK? Sorry I don't have to give anything back to society I have undiagnosed mild autism which means I can stay in the house all day posting pictures of frogs on the internet

The only person who is lazy is yourself; get a job work for a few years buy some land and have a carpenter come up with some plans and have a construction firm build it for you.

Also OP you've reminded me in a few years I'm gonna buy a summer house to have at the bottom of my garden, where did you get that picture from I wanna base it on that?

>>34469726
>automation goes up
>well fair goes ironically down
>outsourcing goes up
>less and less well fair
>production goes up and pay stays down

>implying they don't owe us bare minimum

>>34469761
>implying anyone owes you anything

>>34469596
if you do this to everyone of my posts just remember you could of not provoked me to beat you to death with a gold plated latinum bar

>>34469695
Back up your assertion. Explain your reasoning why it becomes worthless. The goods still cost something, not everyone wants the same goods in the same quantities at the same time. It's not a stamp where you get a shipping container to live in, another stamp for a potato. You get regular dollar bills and go use them like usual. Nothing changes, you still don't get laid, things get cheaper except in relation to supply and demand/scarcity/difficulty to produce, ect. Plus people will want to do jobs like police officer so they can beat your ass with a billy club when you do something wrong because I'm convinced there is at least one person who's been waiting to be able to do that to you. Then they'll go spend it on beer or something to celebrate. Then you'll cry to your lawyer that you were too intelligent to get a job and he enters a shitty plea deal because he's got a big case load because people like arguing, then you cry you couldn't afford a better doctor to help with your booboo.

The "government" is a bunch of rich dudes, they don't give a fuck about you.

>>34467677
its called commieblock
and khurshschev did not invent them

>>34469876
sure, Who is paying for universal basic income?

Yes yes, law of scarcity. People seem to forget that its actually a LAW and applies to fiat as well.

>>34467610
Taxes would have to go up to pay for it.

So either a smallish tax on the lower portions of the tax base that are already getting fisted in the earnings department, or a slightly higher tax on the people that actually weasel their way out of paying taxes every year.

Yeah, good luck on getting a welfare initiative passed in trump's america.

>>34469912
ur momma senpai that's who.
long term down the road it's going to be paid by people that own andriods/robots/machinery, electricity generators and primary consumers (primary consumers being people that use more than the rationed amount before premium prices kick in above the use of a run of the mill person/household uses) as well as battery producers. perhaps raw mineral collectors also as some of the main tax payers aside from highly successful businesses.

short term, money scarcity and how it's going to be produced up front is the first hurdle, probably switching to a new currency might be the only bloodless solution while perhaps grandfathering in the old and destroying it from circulation as it gets collected from taxes since most people seem to think it all currently exists in material form in transition to the new currency.

>>34470036
hm
I mean when you enact a univeral basic income who is distributing and from whom?

Nether of the long term or short term situations are not realistic or even feasible situations.

>>34470148
its the same as welfare and costs the same. only no unconditioned.

>>34469314
only if everyone had these 300$ and nothing else.

>>34470170
The welfare model is a net loss in its own right.

But Im going to assume you tax productive members and redistribute to unproductive through gov. Both production and future valuation will drop, and your currency will be worthless. Also brain drain if there exist anywhere in the world without such heavy tax. Liquidity will also drop as a consequence and you will have hyper inflation. GG

>>34470148
>who is distributing and from whom?
I'm a little bored with this I want to play a game.
Tell me the current condition of from and whom it's created and distributed and I'll answer.

I really don't know how it would be done but theoretically with a new currency it'd be handled the way traditional dollars were made unless some economist have some better ideas as how to do it. Distribution would probably be easiest done electronically however for a transition period an initial batch would need to be made up physically, people get a check for ubi this is the first supply of monies, and inflation will probably incur since we still all use the old stuff BUT rather than inflation if it were handled corrently it would just be a temporary stimulus, since most of the old stuff is electronic when these are paid into the system it can be removed as the new currency is supplied and then when there is enough new currency old currency can also be more aggressively destroyed to remove from circulation. old money when brought into certain institutions could be destroyed incrementally while the new is distributed incrementally.

>>34470204
on what grounds can you claim "only"

>>34470245
also at some point, the old could be bought off in some way or compensated before it's no longer backed as legal tender and invalidated in favor of a new currency.

>>34470247
aslong as there are possibilities to earn more and buy more, these 300$ will have the same purchasing power as before. Only if everyone spent their 300$ on the same things and had no possibility to ever make more than 300$, the money would lose its purchasing power.

>>34468885
If you're still here can I get a contact for you? I'd like to live like this.

>>34470245
Currenct condition of what? The capital account or redistribution?

2nd situation is pointless, unless you denominate all the credit that is under old $ you will have a world wide financial crisis you couldnt even imagine. Especially in the case of USD.

>>34470327
>2nd situation is pointless, unless you denominate all the credit that is under old $ you will have a world wide financial crisis you couldnt even imagine. Especially in the case of USD.
What are you talking about, credit is USD. if you have 10,000 dollars of credit that is a 10,000 dollar bill. That's a non-issue.

>>34470285
that isnt true. Thats actually blatently false. There is actually no situation where is wouldnt lose purchasing power see any inflation ever.

>>34470362
well it's not exactly usd if you're talking about a credit line. that's between you and your creditor. initially it could just be a 1=1 conversation of new and old currency. like if you write a check in usd the bank enters it as that amount except under new currency then that usd amount is stricken from the system.

>>34470362
It was an assumption, my bad.

What is the purpose of the new currency? I dont understand what the point of introducing it would be. Or what is would be based on in terms of valuation.

>>34470379
Are you seriously trying to argue that if you have 10 dollars, and that anon has 10 dollars, then it's not worth 10 dollars?

>>34470402
The point of the new currency is that people don't understand the old currency. Changing it entirely while making it a equal conversion is simply a jedi mind trick until the old currency is removed and the new currency is the old currency because people don't understand how it works but it still works anyway.

>>34470430
You are confusing stocks and flows or you dont understand what purchasing power is. or you have no concept of time.

What are you talking about? What would be the purpose of instating a new currency? I didnt hear any new utillity being added to the currency. It sounds like the biggest most retarded waste of time for nothing anyone can undertake? Who doesnt understand old currency?

>>34470491
>What are you talking about? What would be the purpose of instating a new currency? I didnt hear any new utillity being added to the currency. It sounds like the biggest most retarded waste of time for nothing anyone can undertake? Who doesnt understand old currency?
If we understood currency there wouldn't be a currency problem. Part of the reason for it is to make jobs creating money so people can have money because most people lose money because they're bad with money. Eventually the system is going to have to change and changing the currency and phasing out the old one is the only way to shut people up about where the money is going to come from because we're making it instead of taking it. Essentially it's making the money but you're buying it with the old money, and the old money is destroyed purchasing the new money that is made.

>>34470379
Well, companies would have to keep up with the increased demand for goods and services. They'd go through an golden age of profits. There would have to be regulations. I suppose it would lead to heavy inflation in a open market.

I want to do this but I can't afford land. I think I'm going to buy a large canvas tent since I might be discovered and have to move. I want to hide the tent in the middle of the forest somewhere. But then it probably wouldn't fit between the trees? I don't know, I don't want it to be discovered. I want it to be off the track where no one will find it, in a huge nature reserve.

>>34467610
>Would it really cost too much or be too hard?
It would be really hard to keep track of every single house. You would also have to make sure nobody gets two.
>Is there not enough land?
There are 107 square miles of land for every person in the USA.
>Is the government just too corrupt, heartless and lazy to do this?
Not smart enough. If you can put together a bill and talk to your congresspeople about it, SHIT GETS DONE

>>34470508
Nice bait, you been trolling me this whole time.

>>34467610
Allowances are tricky on a nation-wide scale because they devalue the currency and heavily disincentivise savings and property purchases.

Any government handout that is available to all, but isn't used by all, is essentially an ineffective form of redistribution.
If you're already talking about an allowance, it would be far more economical to just make that allowance big enough for the purchase of the materials and labour that would go into making a tiny house.
This means that those would want one could still get one, those that don't could invest that money somewhere else (their education, a mortage, a crazy drug fueled week etc), and you would avoid all of the market distortions that would come along with having to build millions of tiny houses.

That is about as serious of an answer as I'm willing to give you.

>Is the government just too corrupt, heartless and lazy to do this?

The government isn't your friend. Or your mother. They government exists to (hopefully) protect your freedoms, but will only do so when forced to by an alert and un-shackled populace. Making everyone (read: everyone but the government's employees) rely on government houses is a sure-fire way to increase the scope of their power, as well as their willingness to use/abuse it.

>>34467610
>and an allowance to live on?
The goverment don't have any money
It's peoples money.
I don't think it's fair for those who work to pay for those who don't.
If people really cared for those less fortunate then them they would wanna make sure they have access to proper education, heathcare, etc..

>>34470630
And make sure there are laws in place for them not to be exploited by employers

>>34470570
i told you it was totally hypothetical and the reason for it was to piss people off the LEAST. how can you call that trolling?

>>34468059
Spotted the Swede guys

>>34470570
like here it's not trolling the main point of it is that it's not redistribution of wealth.

A lot of the economic problems is that people simply don't want wealth to be around and it's wrecking the system. It's a soft reboot like turning off your computer and turning it back on so it can configure updates.

>>34467695
C O M F Y

cbloxx

>>34468871
>Who will make, grow and gather food when you don't need to?
the chinese duh

>>34469089
The upper class

>>34470648
cause you are just talking complete gibberish

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed

let's see how it goes

>>34470789
>implying the upper class pays taxes.
thanks for the regulations goyim

Most of you fuckers can't manage a household. I can't. I rather live in comfy daycare clinics

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>>34467610
Because tiny houses aren't the most efficient way of warehousing the populace when government housing is provided. That's not to say government-provided housing is rare however. Of course, in the Soviet Union, with only so much housing to go around, it wasn't atypical for several families to share the same living quarters. Everyone demands shelter, but there's only so much of it to go around at any one time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchyovka

tl;dr: You're proposal is impractical in the long run as apartment buildings/Khrushchyovkas are more efficient people warehouses.

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>>34467610
>>34467898
If you're in the US, FEMA trailers/mobile homes aren't terribly expensive, but then you'll need a plot of land to put it on as well as utilities.

http://www.koamtv.com/story/14878321/for-sale-used-fema-mobile-homes

I live the idea of buying a bunch of shipping containers and land for a community of NEETs. It could be near a quaint river for water for those who bathe, neighborhood wide wifi, solar paneling and in a warm or naturistic state in the northwest.

>>34467610
Because black people and Mexicans would also benefit and the rednecks would resent that even if it benefits them too.

Also paranoid hillbillies thinking it's a FEMA genocide plot.

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>>34469559

Welcome to Slovak Republic ghetto