Frankly, /r9k/, I recently come to a realization. That realization

>>34390996
Frankly, the majority of what I've learned has been self-taught, I place little credit in schooling in regard to my knowledge with the exception of perhaps the most basal subjects.
This leads me to my next point, the reforms I believe should be present in education. From my observation, self-learning is MUCH more effective than modern-school learning (with, the caveat that society currently values generalists rather than specialists). So, my recommendation would to build massive stores of knowledge that one could freely access, of course the internet is one such store but alas, it seems like there would be too many distractions, so massive libraries or e-readers with access to all kinds of topics and all manner on knowledge. The inherent passion of learning present in every man shall lead him to whatever he wishes to learn about, take Mandarin Chinese (currently one of my hobbies). Instead of having the subject drilled into his psyche, if he has the passion to learn more about Mandarin, he will have to ability to pursue to subject on his own terms, a good book and his own ingenuity being a far better teacher than any shit-pay, recently-hired teacher (I'm the son of a teacher, so I'm quite familiar with the shit they have to go through). He will have the ability to wake up whenever he desires as to make sure that his mind is ready to absorb the vast stores of knowledge given to us by modernity. Once the student has reached a proficient level, he may choose to take certification exams (mandated by professionals and securely administered) so that he will have some credibility to his knowledge.(2/3)

>>34391016
(3/3) If this man ever gets burnt out or wishes to learn about something new, that's perfectly alright! He won't have to struggle with an intolerant mind or weak conviction, and can instead move on to something else, perhaps returning to Mandarin later when his mind regains it's conviction. If the student wishes to learn from a human, then he will have the ability to attend lectures on that specific subject, likely vastly increased in quality as attendance implies a present interest and understanding in that subject. With these reforms, Man will have the ability to educate himself on his own terms, instead of relying on the mandate of others.
What do you think /r9k/? I admit, I'm not the best at explaining things but I believe these reforms would make for vastly improved education.

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>>34391034
Bump, I wanna hear your thoughts /r9k/!

>>34391245
Another bump, frankly I'd rather occupy myself with thinking than endlessly read the same >tfw no gf and >you will never have this threads, frankly I get enough of that bullshit back at school.

I agree I used to love learning and reading but school killed that out of me, I can straight up tell you that I went from being a kid who would go to the library and pick out several books a week to hating reading because having to write a dumb summary or book report on everything was so annoying and a waste of time.
Not only this though, but it really succeeded in making me as passive as possible, I was pretty, well I wouldn't say exactly aggressive, but I always ended up challenging people and didn't really let anyone walk over me or anything but but the time I came out of middle school after getting in trouble so much and all the time I just ended up being passive as fuck and now I can't even raise my voice.

But what else can you do besides homeschooling, which wasn't an option for me at all.

>>34390996
Underage, mods please ban

>>34391377
I'm not underage, I said that in my post.

>>34390996
I feel that it's all subjective as to what exactly you want to do. While I think that math and science and whatnot should have an emphasis, there should also be other things such as help preparing students/young adults for the responsibilities they will face (because if this board is any evidence as well as people like tumblrinas/SJWs/etc. there is a big problem of parents not giving as much of a shit about their kids as they should and that brings society as a whole down).


Also, and I can't stress this enough, but stop shoving college down everyone's throats. Not everyone wants or is cut out for college and trades are a very important, in demand field. I could go on if anyone is interested.

>>34391356
Shit, that passivity thing is happening to me right now. What's really funny is that despite the "You've gotta stand up for your rights!" and "Don't let no man tell you what you've gotta do!" shit that's passing around in schools, the moment you present a challenge or begin to disagree you get the classical "I'm the teacher, and I'm always right" bullshit, without fail. My god, I wish there was some way we could fix this, it's a terrible plague that nobody seems to pay attention to.

>>34390996
First of all, thank you OP for posting something of genuine interest to me rather than the majority of threads on this board.

I came to the conclusion education, in its current institutionalised form, is essentially worthless when I went to university. During my time there I researched mainly from freely accessible articles which made me question why I was at university in the first place - I could just study the subject I loved at home.

However then I wouldn't get a piece of paper 'proving' I understood the subject and that's what education comes down to really nowadays. Its not about intelligence or application or even passion, its about how much you regurgitate for an exam. Understandably this process kills most peoples' desire to want to learn before they've even begun.

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>same age as op
>have these same thoughts
>could never articulate it like this

who /dumb/ here?

>>34391558
Truth be told my friend, everytime I write something down I feel dumb, as if I can't explain anything correctly, just read and articulation will come to you I suppose.
>>34391523
Certainly true, but you come upon the issue of needing some sort of certification, something that will stand on it's own rather than being disregarded or lying at this behest of prior experience (if you have none), which is why I recommended difficult, comprehensive testing geared towards people who actually have an interest in the subject rather than being forced into it.
(part 2 coming up)

>>34391523
>>34391558
This brings me to something else, education nowadays is usually viewed as a business, you get AP classes and SAT tests which are generally seen as the sort of comprehensive testing I talked about in my last post, but in reality it's a gigantic business racket. Examinations aren't the problem, rather it's the fact that businesses take advantage of the necessity of testing, and use it to further their own monetary agendas without any regard to educational or intellectual fulfillment. Whether you understand the topic or not of concern on these tests, neither is critical thinking. It's basically matching terminology to specific points, like dragging a square peg into a square hole except with more abstraction (Perhaps, a case could be made that, that is the nature of learning.). However, you cannot remove business from education, the only solution would be to alter it's role to support educational fulfillment. Basically, make business look at education more like an investment, than a racket to be taken advantage of. Perhaps this can be done by long-term recruiting, basically heavily investing into the education of a particular group of students with the expectation that they will recoup that investment by working for the company (Although, perhaps that is more like indentured servitude).

>>34391449
Frankly, it's very odd, you always hear about "How you need college to be successful" and disdain for trade jobs is ingrained at a very young age, it's associated with poverty and "despair". It's very common to hear shit in the vein of"You need college, otherwise you're going to be an exhausted wreck and a bitch slave to the whims of other people". But yet, even with college, you get the same shit, and you're paid peanuts for it.

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>>34390996
Bump for more input.
This comment is completely original, I can assure you.

You fool NOBODY when you say you're le 18 year old senior. If I had to guess you're an edgy freshman who is "smart for his age"

>>34392592
Regardless of whether I'm an "edgy" freshman or not, I only put that fact to put some credibility to my observations. You are entitled to your insults, but I personally prefer if you contributed to the thread, and the topic at hand. Really, I'm interested to hear what you have to say.

>>34392527
Anyhow, another bump to see what anons have to say.

They should at the very least remove emotional investment from standardized education. You're goaded into your studies with threats and injuries to your self-esteem, you're thrown into a rabid shark tank of strangers so that you can be unnaturally "socialized" (or completely fucked up and left with mental scars for life, or both). Teachers bitch and scream at you, steal more free time away from you, when you refuse to do something that is supposedly for "your" benefit and not theirs in the first place. It's fucking dog training in disguise. People would hate school a lot less if they weren't called "failures" and told that they're going to be homeless and disappoint their parents if they don't "perform" well enough (which is funny, because learning and performance are two very different things, although one naturally leads to the other).

I agree with you. The learning process is organic, fluid and unique to every individual. We live in a machine world so we have to be mindbroken into behaving like machines. Communicating common knowledge and producing things using that knowledge, basically using people as agents of the collective, is more important than forming a unique, personal syntax and worldview and seeing what whimsical shit you might pop out with it. That's why educational systems are absolutely fucking -hooked- on getting you to speak their language and never create your own (with the fixation on memorization, notation, showing your work and being penalized if you do it wrong, essay writing formats, etc.). They want you to be a part of them, not yourself. And the repetitiveness of it all, that's just meant to get you adapted to a work week as an adult, which is also very unnatural. Has nothing to do with accelerating learning except maybe to force a switch in your learning modality from tangential and innovative to only accepting what you're spoonfed.

>>34394153
Oh and also the authority structure and how you're assumed to be an idiot who can't offer any discourse is dumb too. Instead of mixing and mingling ideas until you get something cool, or arguing in order to better understand the teacher's position, you're told to accept what you're given or else you're a failure. Man I really hated school.

School isn't meant to educate OP. It's to keep children busy and locked up 10 hrs a day so their parents won't have to worry about them going off on their own and getting raped, mugged etc. In western societies both parents are busy working 10-12 hrs a day for pennies and have no one to look after their kids. All the problems with public education start here.

>>34394153
>>34394197
Perfectly stated my friend! Reminds me of something, when there's any sort of issue, you're taught to blame yourself instead of the system. Despite any predisposition you might have, the problem is CLEARLY not with society, it's with you!
>>34394353
This is certainly true as well, the unfortunate side effect of industrialization I suppose.

But, if we are faced with such a huge issue, what exactly can we do to solve it? Frankly, it is an injustice to allow crimes like this to happening in broad daylight, it is robbing children of not only their passions, but their spirits. How can we solve such an issue? It seems an impossible task... but, there's a certain board on here that's well known for it's memetic ability, doesn't seem like there's much else we can do.

>>34394703
Ban women from working unless they're single and abolish public schools. Let people raise and educate their kids by themselves.