Any other libertarians on the robot? Sick of the government

>>34084998
Are libertarians the ones triggered by roads?

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If the government didn't regulate how much people could pollute, American cities would look like big cities in China--full of toxic smog.

>>34085021
Those are ancapitalists and some hardcore libertarians.

>>34084998
Are you triggered by public education?

The fact of the matter is, if education isn't required by law and freely administered, we CANNOT have as educated a population as we have today. You CANNOT deny this.

>>34085021
Only the strongest most autistic libertarians are road libertarians

>>34085051
Yes, public education is useless. Anyone who has been to a public school can tell you this.

There is no reason why a fully private education system would not work. The prices in this system would obviously be cheaper if the 'free' government option ceased to exist and a voucher system (like food stamps) could be implemented to ensure that no child goes without education.

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>>34084998
>libertarian

I'd say I'm more minarchist left with third-way, corporatist leanings.

>>34085044
Great point this anon just made.

>>34085044
>implying pollution doesn't violate the NAP

>>34085115
I've been in public education and I disagree
Actually come to think of it I'm still at a public uni

What issue do you have with it anon? Can you be specific?

>>34085115
>public education is useless. Anyone who has been to a public school can tell you this.
Can you read and write?

>>34085173
Public education effectively increases the price of private education to well above the means of the lower class citizen, limiting their choice of education.

Why should all citizens not have a choice of where to send their children to school? Why should only the rich have this privilege?

>>34084998
I have libertarian ideals when it comes to personal freedoms, but I don't believe in things like privatizing the police force or anything insane like that.

Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes, you should be able to do whatever you want on your own property, etc.

I think that the regulation of big-business and big-banking is important though, and I would argue we need to be doing it even more, but individuals should be regulated far less than they are.

>>34085219
You do realise that regulations on the individual and regulations on business are the same thing, right?

>>34085115
The great thing about government spending is how quickly it can turn small, inefficient, and hazardous or etc. private companies into large, efficient companies with high-standards and what not via economies of scale and corporatist policies.
For a system like the one you're thinking of I think it'd be best to secure nearly all shares of the private-schooling market in the hands of a few, competing corporations prevented with merging with each other via strict anti-trust laws. This way they'd be easily regulatable--we could force them to pay their workers better by cutting into their profits for instance, still very competitive, cheap, and more worried about how much of the market they control than profit.

>>34085234
They need not be. Corporations and people are separate things. I do recall a few years back there was some weird push to give corporations the same rights as individuals, but that was eventually overturned if I recall correctly.

In any case, a completely unregulated market will lead to companies doing awful things in the name of profit, which they already do of course, but it would be even worse. It is a dilemma, I agree, that in order to be truly free you can not have regulations, but in order to have a society such regulations are needed, otherwise what you end up with is a government basically run by the corporations, which would devolve into a plutocracy given enough time.

>>34085202
What about when private education was the only option? Weren't the bulk of the population illiterate?

>>34085234
People are individuals who can die, corporations are nebulous entities that can be theoretically immortal. I don't know if I want something like that to enjoy the same rights I do.

>>34085202
Uni 'public education' isn't public education.
A public education system like we have for formal education is cheap thanks to the fact that it has nearly a monopoly on education--economies of scale--and it's especially cheap for lower class citizens because it's paid via taxes.

>>34085260
>a completely unregulated market will lead to companies doing awful things in the name of profit
Like what?

>otherwise what you end up with is a government basically run by the corporations
How does this happen?

>>34085234
Who cares?
>muh small companies can't compete
They can compete just fine if they have a good product and talk with many investors.

Regulations are necessary, unions are necessary, higher wages for workers is necessary--you being a greedy shit and ruining that for everyone just because you want to run a crappy mom and pop store is not an excuse to hurt the wages of millions.

>>34085350
*are


Original self-edit.

>>34085339
You want examples? Like nestle stealing water from people and selling it back to them for profit, which already happens.

>How does this happen?
Money = Hired guns = Militia = we do what we want = we are the government now

Without regulations of any kind a corporation will simply hire itself a "security force" and arm them to the teeth, each corporation will in effect become it's own government, ruling the land around it, and it won't take long before they start fighting each other.

You over estimate human nature if you think this can be avoided.

>>34084998
What do you count as "libertarianism"?
Is it anything below the horizontal axis on the political compass?
Or do you have to be anti tax as well to be counted as a libertarian? Or indeed is opposing taxes enough?
What about those who want sales taxes abolished but wouldn't mind if the rate of income tax was a bit higher?

I think everyone shares resonant ideals with libertarianism.

Imho the only tax we should have is a pollutikn tax. Also me have to tax imported goods depending how polluting its manufacturing was.

>>34085219

Aye, I'm pretty much with this dude here. Although I can't say I'm for more regulation. I'd much rather the government enforce our current regulations alot better as well as tax. Here in Australia Big companies like Apple can skip paying half of their taxes due to stupid loopholes and shit. Perhaps lower the income tax too so smaller businesses can compete better too.

>>34084998
>the government should do shit for free
That's not how it works

>>34085365

That sounds pretty fucking metal dude.

minarchist 2bh, mans gotta sleep every once in a while alright

laissez-faire soon

>>34085157

So then, you can't do anything without violating the NAP?

Basically everything a human does causes SOME level of pollution, that other people will have to deal with in some way, eventually. You can never be pollution free.

>>34085260

>I do recall a few years back there was some weird push to give corporations the same rights as individuals, but that was eventually overturned if I recall correctly.

You recall incorrectly.

http://www.npr.org/2014/07/28/335288388/when-did-companies-become-people-excavating-the-legal-evolution

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>daily reminder that libertarianism doesn't have a solution for the Jewish Question

Combine this with open borders and we're done for. No thx mate.

>>34086792
(((Goldstein)))
theyre not even trying anymore are they

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>>34086792
>>34086820
Fuck off, you delusional pieces of white-trash.

The chances of this being a legit post by a Jewess professor are slim.
Why?
Thought Catalog is a blog-site that allows anyone to write column-esque blogs.
This column was taken down because it was flagged as hateful. The picture included with it was a picture of an Arab-American, anti-Israel activist that's activism pissed /v/ and /pol/ off named Bahar Mustafa--all signs indicate that 'Emily Goldstien' is little more than a pseudonym for a virgin /pol/troll that raves about gamergate and shit rather than an important professor who's opinion is being seeked out by a commercial newsite.

>>34087183
>$0.25 (1 new shekel) has been added to your account
you show those goyim brotha OY VEY

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>>34088079
Jews are our friends.

>>34084998
I thought this thread was about librarians.

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I am actually a honest believer in totalitarianism. I think an all-powerful government which united all the people could solve so many problems and ascend mankind to ultimate greatness.

So many problems in society exist because the neoliberal governments don't have the will or power to do anything about them.

Also I like marching soldiers and flags.

>>34088137
>So many problems in society exist because the neoliberal governments don't have the will or power to do anything about them.

Oh yeah? Name some, anon.

>it's ok when a business does it

>>34088190
Obesity, crime, exploitation of workers, low wages, ethnic groups with cultural problems, education (modern schools letting children run wild, promiscuity and infidelty, etc.

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>mfw i'm unironically an Ancap
>mfw I live off Neetbux

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>waiting patiently for the destruction of our current government ruling for a new era of fascism to take place in the homeland and usher in an age of dominance over the weak.

some day soon.

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I consider myself a libertarian, but I'm not an extreme one. The government should provide the things the free market won't, like protecting the planet and protecting domestic industry.
Laws to protect a competent adult from themself are always wrong though.

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My big things are drugs should be legal, intellectual property laws should be taken down to like 5 years, and I should be taxed less. Also, Also, we should pull out of the war, and cut down on military spending and social programs. I hate laws that stop people from doing what they want, when they aren't directly hurting anyone else.

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I don't know what I am besides a Nationalist, frankly I find that ideology is often pointless and societies really run on culture and genetics. Even socialism can work decently enough in a moral and righteous country. Really all I want is to kill all of these fucking faggots, trannies, and traitors we have in power. Then ship the minorities back to good jobs in their home countries, maybe letting the honest god-fearing ones stay.

The entire system in my country (Britain) is corrupt and failing, economically, socially, politically. Anyone who was worked in our healthcare system knows it is dying, two people starve/die of thirst each day due to poor care. Crime is massive, and the government is too ignorant and corrupt to adapt to any of the major problems facing us, yet they retain just enough grip on media and power to halt any major electoral insurgency against the established order.

One day it will all come crashing down in a sea of debt, crime, terrorism and unemployment. Those too weak to fend for and feed themselves, orphans, the elderly, the city dwellers, will die in their hundreds of thousands. I have studied the collapse of civilisations and it all goes the same way.

>>34085021
Ancaps and radical Libertarians (see: those who make Friedman look like Hitler). Austrian schoolers maybe?

But basically, the hypothesis is that since the government pays for the construction of roads, in the absence of government superior alternatives would emerge and that roads continue to be the dominant means of land transportation (trains aside) only because of government subsidies. They also make cases for road transportation being shit for the environment as well.

>>34088723
Socialism is dysgenic in the long term.

>>34084998
i bet $5 op live at home and works as a computer janitor

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>>34088885
>Socialism is dysgenic in the long term.

Not necessarily. If you have enough of a free market to ensure that more intelligent people accrue more resources, the middle and upper classes will have 2-4 children on average, and the lower classes 1-2 children, ensuring that over time lower IQ's will become an increasingly smaller part of society/bred out, yet you can still have some socialist programs that benefit everyone. I'm not saying I support socialism though, but I am a patriot and nationalist which is a form of socialism, I support my nation because it is a community of those genetically similar to myself with similar interests, and wish to help members of my group even if it's not directly in my own self interest.

As well as this, at least talking about my country (Britain), the lower classes have always been useful for menial labour, and as your average squaddie in the military, and so on. They are useful despite having what you would call a 'dysgenic' genetic contribution to society.

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Anyone else left libertarian.

>>34088885
Relying on genetic factors for progress is very socially damaging in the short term, and doesn't even give a long term benefit.

Progress depends on ideas, and ensuring people have the opportunity to take advantage of those ideas.

And don't worry about the genetics of the population - a few people will genetically engineer their own kids, and the impact of this will gradually spread through the entire population.

>>34089175
Me: see >>34085793
But OP never even said whether thinks that counts.

>>34089175
>left libertarian

kys hippie

>>34089688
It probably counts but you'd have to clarify to most people otherwise they'd assume.

>>34089728
Maybe one day.

>>34088320
>protect domestic industry
Are a socialist/fascist anon ?

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>>34089850
In burgerland, we call it being American.

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>>34085219
>you should be able to do whatever you want in your own property
>I think that the regulation of big-business and big-banking is important though, and I would argue we need to be doing it even more

>>34085365
That's the whole point, tho.

>>34084998
Libertarian is just a way of being a politically correct White Nationalist; only Whites and tokens care in the traditional White American values so you have a safe space. In 2017 you are either an Alt-Right Nazi or a Cuck

>>34090612
It's about freedom, you nigger.