Solution to server cost problem

>>716054
VP9 should be enabled and advertized openly versus VP8. VP9 encoded videos should approximately be 1.5 - 2 times smaller.

>>716054
Better yet, just create a client-side converter so it happens automatically.

The webp autist on /g/ is literally cumming.

>>716312
I know :^)

>>716285
This.

>>716285
This

>>716054
It's neat but Idon't want png and gifs to go.
At least make a rule that png and gifs should be under a specific filesize.

>>716285
THIIIIIS

>>716355
This

>>716402
no, fuck off. there is 0 reason to use jpeg and png over webp

BPG > WebP

https://xooyoozoo.github.io/yolo-octo-bugfixes/#buenos-aires&webp=s&bpg=t

https://xooyoozoo.github.io/yolo-octo-bugfixes/#buenos-aires&webp=s&bpg=t

https://xooyoozoo.github.io/yolo-octo-bugfixes/#buenos-aires&webp=s&bpg=t

FUCK OFF GOOGLE SHILL

>>716450
fuck off idiot, I can see al the detail vanishing

>>716402
you can see a museum of what low gif limitations look like over on tumblr.

Dumb webp autist

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>>716485
left is webp, right is bpg

are you blind or just retarded?

>>716054
>Ban all image formats, and only allow webp and webm.
Changing the image format won't affect the file sizes unless you actually change the file size cap as well

>>716450
Stop compromising improving 4chan you dumb dumb.

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>>716054
I can only watch anime and shitpost, will this work?

>>716450
BPG is non-free
using it on 4chan would cost shittons more

>>716054
beautiful

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>>716054
Excellent idea. Still, it depends how much is just filesize draining money.

I also disagree with banning ALL other formats. Advertise the shit out of converting and make this the new standard, but otherwise have limits for other formats. A 4KB JPG is just as good as any other 4KB image.

>>716285
>converting images and videos in javascript

Uhhh no

>>716450
>he doesn't know that webp is licensed as free/open source software under a BSD license

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>>716426
Do webp have transparency?
Do they allow pixel art to be displayed propely?
Can you do something like pic related with webp?

>>716566
>>716605


The BPG decoding library uses a modified version of FFmpeg released under the LGPL version 2.1 as HEVC decoder. The BPG decoding library excluding the FFmpeg code is released under the BSD license.
The BPG encoder as a whole is released under the GPL version 2 license. The BPG encoder sources excluding x265 are released under the BSD license. The x265 library is released under the GPL version 2 license. The optional JCTVC HEVC reference encoder is released under the BSD license.

>>716285
this is a smart idea. HIRO!!!

>>716589
Why not just lower the image cap, integrate .webp and advertise .wepb as the way to get over the new image caps.

>>716054
A good idea on /qa/? Wow.

>>716611
>Do webp have transparency?
yes
>Do they allow pixel art to be displayed propely?
yes
>Can you do something like pic related with webp?
fuck off faggot (but yes)

>>716619
It's patent encumbered and there are multiple patent authorities for H265. Implementing Webp doesn't pose any future risks and is simpler to do with benefits right out of the box.

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>>716566
>he doesn't know that BPG is licensed under BSD/GPL, and therefor is free/open source software
Look at the bottom of this page
http://bellard.org/bpg/

>>716619
WebP and BPG are FOSS, so who gives a shit

>>716619
>The BPG decoding library uses a modified version of FFmpeg released under the LGPL version 2.1 as HEVC decoder. The BPG decoding library excluding the FFmpeg code is released under the BSD license.
>The BPG encoder as a whole is released under the GPL version 2 license.
The BPG file format is covered by patents you fucking moron

>>716701
>BPG
shit quality, and no support

>>716596
It should be an option for normos. Us CLI users would use proper tools for this of course :^)

>>716701
License doesn't exclude from patent encumbrance.

>>716611
don't listen to this guy >>716655
You only get trasparency. The rest is a big no.

>>716655
>>Can you do something like pic related with webp?
>fuck off faggot (but yes)
WebP header has no gamma chunk. That is only possible with PNGs.

(Unless you want to use ICC profiles, which don't work for 99% of browsers)

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>>716753
>The rest is a big no.
fuck off sperg

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Hiroshima Nagasaki you gooky kike, where the fuck are you? Stop hiding in dirt crevices and respond to us or the goat gets it.

>>716701
I did, and it said this
>Some of the HEVC algorithms may be protected by patents in some countries (read the FFmpeg Patent Mini-FAQ for more information). Most devices already include or will include hardware HEVC support, so we suggest to use it if patents are an issue.

BPG is literally just “HEVC the image format”, and is covered by shittons of HEVC patents by known patent troll MPEG.

The whole reason people are using VP9 and now developing AV1 instead of using HEVC is because of the stupid high licensing costs you need to use these patented algorithms. 4chan would get sued out the ass within seconds by the MPEG-LA.

Forget it. It's a dead format, because of patents.

>>716753
>>716806
WebP has a lossless mode. That guarantees the ability to reproduce pixel art.

>>716596
>converting images and videos in javascript
Literally nothing wrong with that. It's much better to spread that work out among lots of clients than do it on a few servers.

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here another image (it was bigger resolution than allowed, even though the file size was tiny, so I had to lower the resolution)

The resolution limit has to also go away.

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>>716806
>mfw trying to zoom in that shit
No thanks, keep your webp shit outta here.

The problem with WebP is that it has built-in resolution limits.

>>717007
is that actually a problem though
really who fucking needs 10000x48654 overexposed blurry phone pics of some guys dick

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>>717000
I used the lowest settings and I used a webm converter. It can look a lot better (and webp has lossless mode as well) like a PNG but I can't do that with my webm converter now

>>717130
The limit is 16384×16384. That would put a hamper on boards like /hr/.

>>717172
Can't you post a link to a webp? Like, upload it on mega and show it.

>>717191
then only allow /hr/ to post other image formats.
all other boars have resolution limits anyway

>>717191
Then just force conversion on all boards except high res ones.

>>717000
>>717211
https://0x0.st/1QM.png (142 kbit)
https://0x0.st/1QB.webp (107 kbit)

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>mfw saving 4chan from doom

>>716981
what is the file size of the original image anyways?

Anyways, doesn't the conversion use up CPU resources? I guess numoot would need to decide which would use up more bandwidth.

>>717191
That board's getting deleted m8.

>>717325
make conversion engine client side

Is filesize why desktop threads were banned on /g/?

>>717399
Desktop threads are banned because they hate you in particlar.

>>717399
>Jordan (mobile)
Is the mobile part automatic? Will phoneposting-ism now be a thing?

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>>717325
if you do the conversion at the client, then no there is not CPU use for 4chan.

>>717399
>desktop threads
not technology, just weeaboo scum circlejerk (literal cancer)

>>717325
>Anyways, doesn't the conversion use up CPU resources? I guess numoot would need to decide which would use up more bandwidth.
This is not even a decision. The answer is always the same: CPU cycles are FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR cheaper than bandwidth.

If you can spend 1 minute recompressing an image to save 20% bandwidth on 1,000,000 requests, you have made it worth your money.

>>717399
No, it was circle-jerk faggotry.

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HIRO FUCKING RESPOND ALREADY!

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enjoy the art, bois

+1
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>+1
+1
>+1
+1
>+1
+1
>+1
+1
>+1
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>+1
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>+1

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>>717823
Holy shit. Never realised how efficient webm was. 4Chan is saved!

>>717823
i can't zoom in

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>>717823
looking good

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99KB, 634x412px

>>718162
>>718142
that's because this is webm, which is meant for video and not still images. but 4chan doesn't (yet) allow me to upload webp (the format for still images)

have patience

>>716312
he was right all along

what about the leddit format, gifv? is it trash?

Ipfs

>>717399
>desktop threads
You mean those nasty loli threads?

>>716054
you have no idea what you are talking about

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Why don't we just keep JPG and PNG but before uploading, the site compresses it with a compression tool like tinyjpg or compressjpg? When the compression is done it just uploads it
or users can help doing it manually
It will obviously not be as fast but the file sizes will be smaller and you get the same quality instead of changing to another file format like WebP.

Pic related.
The original file was 11-6 megabytes and now its 2.6 megabytes compressed.

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Hey who wants to develop a new imageboard from scratch?

>minimalist
>CPU and bandwidth optimal
>fucking C and no PHP

Demo source: https://aww.moe/dt2wli.tar.gz

>>718348
its low res HTM5 variant garbage that is still larger in size then webm/wepb

>>718557
Stop trying to fucking hack you damn chinaman.

>>718557
Looks like tubmlr so no

>>716054
New image formats won't solve the problem.

Everyone said webm would help save on bandwidth because all the gifs that got converted would be smaller... now people make 4 MB webms instead.


We should convert to new formats, it'll be good in the long run, but we also need to lower file size caps.

>>718348
>gifv
no such thing

>>718348
gifv is not a format. they just append the ".gifv" to the address and host only .mp4 or .webm.

Go to their "r/HighQualityGifs" board and try saving one of the files. It'll be either webm or mp4.

>>716054
Oh how about just ban Gifs and PNGs and still allow JPGs.

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>>718557
This will be published in France anyway

>>718594
never

>>718595
muh black and white

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>>716312
>>718231
feels good to steal his thunder (the only time that it's relevant)

>>716054
FUCK OFF IDIOT.

HERE'S THE REAL SOLUTION
http://www.strawpoll.me/11350022/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/11350022/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/11350022/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/11350022/r

COME ON IN AND VOTE, MULTIPLE ANSWER

>>718627
This anon gets it. More efficient formats have *always* simply led to higher quality. It was the same for CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays etc. and it will be the same for 4chan images.

If you want to reduce file sizes, lower the file size limit. Simple as that. Making people use third party hosting for large images works more than fine. I already do this on a regular basis myself, using websites that support transient direct-link hosting like 0x0.st

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>>718550
Proof quality is literally the same

>>718681
>destroy board x
>users simply shit other boards

you're probably a newfag that doesn't know that boards like /mlp/ and /pol/ were created to contain said users

>>718681
>CAPTCHA
can't vote

>>718693
See my answer >>718655

My idea is: what do you think if we let anons donate bitcoins each other? The website manager takes like 5%. If 4chan had better servers and coders, we could have integrated live stream and so on.

>people believing 4chan needs more money
Lmao Hiro is playing everyone like a fiddle. A lot of people here have pointed out how 4chan isn't really expensive to run.
Hiro WILL NEVER EVER release how much does it cost to actually run anything or how much he's making or anything regarding numbers

its simple
reduce archive size
limit filesize by resolution on boards where it isnt important (wg, ic etc are excluded)

>>718627
>>718693

ah yes the good old jevons paradox

>>718681
>remove /t/
this has got to be the single most retarded suggestion on that entire list of bad ideas

The one board that's literally just posting text links to third party storage and you want to remove it

good fucking job

>>718681
>Merging a worksafe board with a non worksafe board.
Well done shit tard

So how many people are actively working "at" 4chan?

like honestly, how tough would it be to implement the things suggested in this thread?

>>716054
>>716054
>>716054
>>716054
MODS
MODS
MODS

STICKY THIS
STICKY THIS

DONT LET THIS IDEA SLIP AWAY

That's just inefficient and incredibly discouraging for people new to the site

>>718862
>for people new to the site
that'll only improve the quality of the posts

>>718815
this

>>718681

Fuck off newfag

Here's a fewideas to fix 4chan.

Turn /qa/ into
/pass/ - 4chan meta discussion and shitposting for premium users only

Merge the /c/ boards

Merge /o/ and /n/

Merge /r9k/, /mlp/ and /soc/ with /trash/

Merge /out/ and /an/

Merge /int/ and /trv/

Merge /his/, /lit/ and /sci/ into one academic board
Merge /asp/ and /sp/
Delete /t/. Who uses it anyways?
Delete /lgbt/. Other chans have boards similar to /lgbt/ that do it better anyways (separating lbgs and ts).

>>718907
merging boards doesn't cut on costs, you fucking idiot. the bandwidth stays the same

>>718681
i would say get rid of /lgbt/, /mlp/ and /pol/
they are complete cancer

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sexy

>>718907
>Delete /t/. Who uses it anyways?
I do

>>716450
>quite shilling free things
>use this worse solution you need to lay for instead

>>718907
>merge /o/ and /n/
this
>merge /out/ and /an/
fucking this

>>718907
Merge /aco/ and /d/

The separation was pointless

>>718941
Agreed. /pol/ and /mlp/ first, and then slowly ban all the /lgbt/ users for posting on the board until all /lgbt/ posters are banned before shutting down the board for inactivity.

>>718982
Even better, merge /aco/ with /co/
And /d/ with /a/

>>717291
Wow there's no difference

>>718907
>>718941
>>718960
>>718978
>>718982
>>719019
People, please stop. You have ONE fucking job
And that job is reducing bandwidth.

NOT merging boards. (Which will do fuck all for traffic except perhaps by reducing it slightly if some people get annoyed enough by the merge to stop browsing)

Stop trying to decide which boards to merge, it will do fuckall.

>>719019
Even even better, merge every boards with /pol/ except /g/ and /a/

>>718348
It's fucking SHIT

>>719056
If you want to reduce bandwidth, delete /pol/ and /vg/ and ban their userbase. Then delete /mlp/, /the gays/, and all the porn boards. Return 4chan to its former glory as an anime discussion board.
Boom, problem solved.

>>718557
>>fucking C and no PHP
haha, good luck with that

>>719056
this

merging boards won't reduce bandwith use

>>716054
Get rid of archives. Go back to the old, archive-less 4chan.

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>make threads and posts everyday saying /pol/ should be deleted
>you even try to convince hiroshimoot directly
>/pol/ comes here to defend itself
>stop raiding our board!!!

>>719169
>Get rid of archives
Good point. Does anyone even know what penalty keeping the archive around has on 4chan's current servers? I can't imagine it taxing the bandwidth by much, but it must take up a hell of a lot of storage.

I agree but Firefox doesn't support WebP yet. I don't want to switch browsers desu

Is WebP that effective AND lossless? Am I being meme'd? What the fuck...

Also, holy shit... jpg has TERRIBLE compression... Why even fucking compress it...

>>716054
/g/ here, I will make the logo.

>>718862
To many new people is the reason we're in this situation.

>>719222
palemoon = firefox variant, and supports it. mozilla said firefox will support it soon

>>719139
kek, my IQ is big enough to handle this small human task.

Did I mention it will use webp and webm natively?

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op here, I'm just gonna keep dumping (tiny) but quality images

>>718862
then implement the conversion serverside
users won't even notice it

>>718907
>/pass/
I want to slit your throat

>ban images on imageboard

fuck off retard

I don't care about WebP, but convert them server side, not client side, I'm not converting all 100,000+ pictures

How about making some boards completely text-only? I mean, think about it.

Example: if you made /b/ text-only, you would get rid of trap threads, furry threads, loli threads, r34 and fuckton of other cancerous threads that are there 24/7, sometimes even more of them at the same time. By that you would also get rid of people going to /b/ only to visit those threads and people going to /b/ only to make those threads. So you would decrease the traffic significantly. You would also get rid of tons of underage people, because text-only mode would make it less attractive for them. And /b/ would perhaps get more creative, because it's not Random anymore, it's Porn General, and if cut out the porn, you would end with different content, hopefully more interesting. And written porn.

I know 4chan is IMAGEboard, but I still think it would be pretty good chemo, at least for boards like /b/.

>>719343
How much CPU power does converting thousands of images per hour to WebP even take?

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>>719316
>serverside
remember when before 4chan used webm, they basically never got used anywhere else? this will kickstart webp into the rest of the web

>>719349
>make imageboard text only
retard please

>>719343
banning formats =/= banning images

>>718929
>>719056
How about
Delete /mlp/, /r9k/, /soc/, /trash/ and /mu/ AND ban their users
/mu/, /soc/ and /r9k/ and shit, normal-filled boards that shit up the site anyways.
Everyone already knows why /mlp/ and /trash/ are shit.

Also delete /lgbt/ and /t/ as mentioned above.

>>719325
People will buy passes just to shitpost you know.
see yesterday

>>719349
Notice me >>718557

(I'm definitely not advertising)

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Why not go one step further and go FLIF?

the op must be a bad joke, just remove gifs altogether, or convert them altogether to webm (vp8)
converting jpg (and remaining static content) is dumb as fuck
>fucking jewggle pricks

Ban adblockers?
Ads arent that annoying on 4chan tough, they are just small banners

>>716054
The solution is allowing people to donate while removing passes altogether.

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>>719411
>pic least popular piece of shit
>almost no difference in size
>no support both for viewing and making
at least webm and webp have GOOGLE behind them

>>719467
>at least webm and webp have GOOGLE behind them

That's the problem

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>one small step for 4chan
>one giant leap for world wide web

>>716054
>Require user to convert formats
>Can't have an automatic backend solution
How tight is the 4chan budget?

>>719484
>le Google boogeyman meme

>>719506
that would introduce another burden on the servers

>>719588
Power's cheaper than traffic when it comes to 3rd party hosting.

>>719641
the macroblocking on this is awful

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>>719594
Can't zoom in on the image.

>>719694
>>719706
I used the lowest settings and I used a webm converter. It can look a lot better (and webp has lossless mode as well) like a PNG but I can't do that with my webm converter now

>>719207
Storage isn't the problem, bandwidth is

>>719411
FLIF is not mature. WebP is

>>719706
If the was webp you could.

This dumb nigger keeps posting webm with only one frame because 4chan doesn't allow webp

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>>719764
>This dumb nigger
stfu faggot
>with only one frame because 4chan doesn't allow webp
yup

plus, this is only VP8, but VP9 is a lot better at compression, but isn't allowed on 4chan yet.

>>719234
>>719298
>>719401
>>719467
>>719504
>>719594
>>719641
>>719851
Stop posting useless images, they are small but you're still making more bandwidth and adding more space to the servers
kys

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>>719890
>he thinks my tiny thread is literally killing 4chan right now
no need to sperg out, faggot.

>>719890
Tfw your post wasted several bytes of 4chan
REEEEEEEEEEEEE Those will never be reclaimed

>>716054
That sperg again.

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>>716054

I love the webp idea. Fuck those ppl who post large .png's I hate that.

>>719975
fuck off fatass

>>716285
This would work.

BUMP.

Problem solved.

>>719947
you are L I T E R A L L Y raping 4chan's bandwidth!!

This.
Plus kill all the normal porn boards for stuff you can literally find anywhere.

>>718550
>>718722
this

>>716402
Gif must die and /gif/ should be renamed to /webm/. There is no why you should be using gif in 2016.

>>716402
Yeah.Let's continue being the backwards cavemen we are and reject future technology to reduce financial costs.

>>720019
no, I'm not the webp sperg from /g/

>>716054
>only allow webp and webm.
i know webm doesn't work with phones, does webp?

>>720207
webm works fine with phone (android has native support) and ios fags need an app for it. same for webp

>>719890
stop posting your posts are taking too much bandwidth and killing 4chan

>>720207
It's just a format. Whether or not your browser can decode it depends on your browser not your hardware

Webp is cancer. Get out of here /g/

>>716312
Holy shit this
>inb4 he was converting files to webm to additionally push 4chan bandwidth
>inb4 this was all the part of his plan

4chan could sell user generated content

>>716054
>>716285
This. But create a quota of how many .png you can post per day, like 8mb or so. But allow them to be freely posted on high resolution boards or to every board if you buy the pass.

>>720285
I KNEW

>>720298
Wow, a pass-unlocked quota would actually be a great idea. Makes people actually start caring about optimizing image size

>>720292
and who is going to buy our shitty memes at this point? the meme market has crashed long ago.

>>720292
Who would want to buy shit that is already free?

>>716611
make a webm with first frame the pic to show in thumbnail preview and later frames the full view pic and you got your retarded i hid stupid shit pic

>>720373
I ask myself the same thing every single day when I look at the amount of people using proprietary software

>>720298
Also, kill .gif, it's useless now and just kill bandwidth.

Just put a cap on image size for certain boards ,the bandwidth must be insane,then kill yourself you jap eyed motherfucker.

I find it odd that moot never made money off this place and it ran fine for over a decade under his owership

>>718557
Looks like reddit

>>720415
Go to bed Stallman

>>720415
Most proprietary works better, have more functions, don't have a shitty design or is user friendly. As a non-retarded freetard, I think It's pretty reasonable.

>>720496
Funny, I think the exact same way about free software

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>>716054
I like you, OP.

Here is your solution

>>720295
>>720295

>>720438
Also how come 2chan doesn't have these problems ?

>>720515
>and so he posted a gif
You're the fucking king of the fucking fagots.

>>720530
boards don't cost bandwidth, users do.

>>720515
>2 second gif
>1mb

That's why gif must be banned.

>>720538
I don't think 2chan is as popular

>>720538
Because Hiroshimoot has sponsors and shit paying for it. Politics, etc, and mods will delete posts that those sponsors don't like.

File: output.webm (131KB, 480x360px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 480x360px

>>718091
>2016
>still using gifs

>>716054
webm doesn't work with my phone or tablet, let's get rid of it too.

>>720538
One 2chan is text only and the other is not that popular.

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3MB, 1920x1080px

>>720515
>gif

>>719206

They've been trying for years.

A mod telling them to fuck off and stop trying to kill free speech didn't stop them.
Hiro saying no and preferring an interesting 4chan in response to the advertiser alienation argument didn't stop them.

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>start using WebP
>let Google buy 4chan
>let Google make 4chan+
>integrate 4chan+ with Youtube

>>718693
you do realise that as always there can be put contstrains on the format and size of the files uploaded right?

>>720619
I use gifs because I have years worth of gifs in my shitty, unorganized landfill of an image folder and I'm too fucking lazy to convert them to webm. Which is why conversion should be client side - jpg/png to webp and gifs to webm.

>>720718
We wil become one with moot again.

>>720740
Yes, of course I get that. That's exactly what I'm proposing: Reduce the file size limit. It's the only sure-fire way to reduce the size of files.

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We could switch to webp right now! The JS library for coding and decoding already exists.

https://libwebpjs.appspot.com/

Cutting the cost of file uploads is only part of the story. While webp would be a pretty good dent in file sizes we also have to look for ways to convince users to buy passes.

Unfortunately there isn't a lot that users want that they'd be willing to pay for. Maybe webms with sound. Also some boards could go back to being text only boards.

>>720757
i agree with your statement that it there should be a client side solution

but sadly 4chan hasnt seen any platform improvements for years and the only thing that changed was changing the settings of banned file formats to allow webm/vp8 which runs on the clients browser so all they have been doing for years is db version updates/changes and config "hacking" 0 tech improvements or stuff that would really change anything

I must be a retard, because I can't seem to convert image files to webm.

Keeps telling me I'm going over the max video duration, despite it being 0 seconds.

>>720830
the thought of losing 4chan made me buy a pass

>>720830
There's already reduced time between posts as an incentive, as well as being able to bypass IP range bans. /g/ already blocks a significant portion of the T-Mobile IP range, presumably due to abuse from people using phones on mobile data. I suggest banning all IPs from mobile providers and allowing those who buy a pass to post using mobile data as an incentive.

>>720907
use the converter in OP, choose variable, and check "high quality"
>>716054
>gitgud.io/nixx/WebMConverter

>>720830
the reason there are no textboards anymore was that there where no users to use them and this is something that wouldnt change now and per definition 4chan is an imageboard

>>720718
The quality of the comment section of YouTube would increase dramatically

>>718907
/t/ should stay. People use it a lot actually but mostly lurk to make sure a good quality thread isn't bumped out and removed. And it doesn't take too much bandwidth since it's slow and people almost never spam images there.
/r9k/, /soc/, /trash/, /x/ and /s4s/ should merge, or get deleted and /b/ maximum number of thread pages doubled. They're all shitposting boards anyway.
Agreed on /o/ and /n/ merging and /asp/ and /sp/ merging.
Delete /mlp/ and let them post /mlp/ content on cartoon boards and /b/. The show isn't as popular anymore and only newfags and retards haven't left the board. Unless I'm mistaken, since I remember seeing that shit everywhere and now it suddenly disappeared.
We should also merge the porn boards into a single adult board, and another adult cartoons board for 2D porn.
Although merging boards won't really help that much, porn and shitposting boards probably would make a small difference.

>>718557
Check out Lynxchan software

>>720946

We used to use textboards as refuges when the main site went down.

Most people seemed to think the post quality was higher whenever that happened. Filtering out anyone too dumb to remember or want to use the textboards worked wonders.

>>718627
>>718693
Wrong. People will not start creating 1000x1000 pepes because they are slower. Conversion will be just a medium, people will make their memes the way they always made them.

>>720934
Still giving the the video duration error

>>718681
Kill yourself

>>721088
give me the file you want to convert

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>>721037
they never where good belive me
but the /prog/ memes will stay with me forever

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489KB, 2000x1859px

>>719275
>tfw to intelligent for PHP

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>>720934
>>721088
Testing

>>721002
nobody cares about boards merge/delete/move shit

this is about the tech if you think that your post was relevant in any way kill yourself.

>>721148
something wrong with your source file. stry opening it, and saving it as a standard PNG24

>Just do this:

Start a fund raising
>>716054
>>716285
>>719169
>>720149
>>720298

Done, 4chan is saved. If someone could do a collage it would be great.

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>>721148
OK, let's try that again

WTF is with that green tint, and why is it upside down?

>>718557
it's shit.
Besides, someone else is already doing that.
http://akaribbs.mooo.com/

>>721183
Made your autism reply :^)

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How about this,
we convert all of the high bandwidth usage boards to webp (porn boards, both gif boards, and wallpaper boards) for the time being.

While all of the regular boards that don't use that much bandwidth stay the same.

As time goes on and the rest of the internet starts using more efficient file formats like webp, then the regular boards shall convert to webp.

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>>721189
>>721189

>>721218
We should just fork table cat BBS, it is superior because perl. Running instance can be found on bbs.freech.net

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>>721189
Redo

>>721281
>>721291
Converter doesn't like JPEG for some reason, I guess.

How'd you get yours that small?

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>>721318
different quality settings. the converter doesn't hate jpegs, but some jpegs have fucked up color profiles or something.

>>716596
le javascript is slow maymay

Fuck off, it isn't 2003.

JS runs faster than Ruby, Python, PHP and most other interpreted and some JIT'd languages.
It can even be multithreaded with web workers.

>>721318
i used the wikipedia file which is 15mb
ffmpeg -i Cole_Thomas_The_Course_of_Empire_The_Savage_State_1836.jpg -c:v libvpx -vf scale=2048:-1 -an -crf 4 -b:v 500K output.webm

i droped the bitrate a lot and the max scale to the max for images it could have been bigger scale but thats just redundant

>>721358
Yep, I checked those.

so essentially, delete everyboard except /a/ and /b/.

>>720073
Rape.... goddammit.

>>716054
then someone will have to program something that will convert all files of a folder to a webp format.

>>716285
Also easier to integrate to Android apps.

>>716402
What do you even care what format your images are in? Webp can be near lossless that is 99.99% the quality of png at highly reduced size. As for the gifs they are shit compared to webp.

>>716596
I don't see the problem. There are already well developed libraries for that at the size of an average picture.

>>716611
First two yes. Don't know about the last.

>>717484
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note 6 Plus.
Actually good idea for ads and figuring out the mobile fags.

>>718557
>>721218
Both of those implementations are shit and would collapse under the 4chan bandwidth.

>>718960
As do I. One of the two-three useful boards.

>>719459
>Ban adblockers?
>2 days later 4chan on anti-ban lists
This is a cat and mouse chase and it won't work.

>>721485
all they have to do is make an easy GUI. the converters (ffmpeg for example) already exist

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215KB, 1900x1122px

Let's try again with a different pic

Would be nice if I could test these without having to look through my browser. VLC won't show them.

>>721485
You mean like ‘cwebp’?

>>719459
As long as they stay small banners and not fucking flash exploits I'm fine with them.

>>721511
mpv

>>721494
>near lossless
So lossy?

>>721511
you can just drag drop the file in your browser, or use MPC-HC or MPV as video players

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>>721544
>>721494
webp can do REAL lossless

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Here's a board that definitely serves no purpose today and is bandwidth heavy: /hr/. It's /celeb/ and /tv/ general, nuke that first without second thoughts an hiro.

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>>721562
>lossy with alpha
that is so fucking sexy anon

>lossy animations with alpha
muh dik

>>721562
I though you could just put quality at max but it will still be lossy. If doing lossless is possible then png isn't needed as well.

>thread is still not sticky
are the MODS even awake?

MODS
O
D
S

>>720666
witnessed

>>721494
>also easier to integrate to Android apps
>good idea for ads and figuring out the mobile fags
I sense contradiction in your post. Either way, clover and other apps don't have ads. You can already use "image editor" app and convert images into webp manually on Android but having it integrated would be nice.

DELETE PORN BOARDS

>restricting file types
>using a converter

I like it. It will also cut back on the normies.

>>721645
There is dozens of threads discussing the same exact issue you silly boio.

>>721686
but this is objectively the best solution

>>721669
This, plus /r9k/.

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>>721632
That's true for JPG but not WebP

For WebP, the -lossless option will actually be fully lossless (rather than -near_lossless, which is like JPG at constant quantization)

The only difference is basically whether or not you skip the YCbCr conversion step. YCbCr is better for compression but the conversion between YCbCr and RGB can introduce off-by-ones in some pixels.

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>>721669
MAKE PORN BOARDS WEBP AND WEBM ONLY

problem solved pass cuck poster

>>721678
Wow, I didn't think about that. Very good point, it would make 4chan feel a lot more underground again. I like it.

>>721704
>this is my opinion so it's clearly the best solution

No.
It's not.

>>721722
THE FILES WILL BE THE SAME SIZE YOU DUMB FUCKING NIGGER

people will just post longer and higher res files instead, like they did with the move from .gif to .webm

Also, a 10%-20% saving is not going to save your site. If deleting them was a 60%-70% saving, it would be a game-changer.

that said, I don't know how much bandwidth they actually use. Somebody with inside info needs to enlighten us.

>>721723
until someone makes a simple drag-and-drop interface to convert images

>>721666
>contradiction
Mobile posters aren't going away so we are forced taking them under consideration. Doesn't mean we should like them.
>don't have ads
I meant posting from a cell will result in text integrating to your post.

>>721723
Yep. Do you really want to talk anonymously with someone that can't convert a file? I sure don't. That will discourage the most inept (and likely most shitty) posters.

>>721754
>implying the normies would even know of the existence of such a tool
nah, normie traffic will go down (for posters, lurkers will remain intact)
it's the best

>>721751
make higher file size restrictions
dude you could come up with that yourself

Lol, Hiro can't program for shit,
how do you people expect him to integrate automated javascript file conversion?
Somebody else has to do this.
I would, if I had the code, as it's not really difficult.

>>716589
Ban redditfrogs too.

>>721788
YOU DON'T NEED TO ADD A NEW FORMAT TO CHANGE THE FILE SIZEL IMIT

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE FILE SIZEL IMITS JUST CHANGE THE FILE SIZE LIMITS. ADDING A NEW FORMAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

I've never heard of webp before

Somebody shill me on it. I already hate jpgs and lossy compression with a passion and use png for everything

>>721832
>>721751
the new format will make sure the quality of the content (images) doesn't have to go down just to save on bandwidth, plus webp and webm will keep away normies and make sure 4chan OC doesn't end up on facebookmemepages

it's many birds with one stone.

>>721859
>Somebody shill me on it.
check link in OP and google it you lazy fuck

>>721859
Open-source lossless compressed image/video format that allows for extremely small file sizes while retaining the quality of PNG and BMP.

>>717352
It shouldn't, the celebspam should just be banned

over 100 threads of the 144 on the board are generals for people circlejerking over high res celeb feet pics and shit at all times

if you ban those, then you grearly reduce the load that board creates while still allowing it to be used for what it was meant to be

there's zero reason to remove /hr/ when you can do that instead

>>716054
Hey whatever works for the image boards.

As long as /f/ stays the same I'm fine with it.

>>721867
I bet the normies use most of the bandwidth posting their paypay libraries.

>>721905
How widely is it supported online?

Does imgur accept it? Does the wikia network? Will most fourms allow it to be embeded? Does google catch it with google images?

IPFS
P
F
S

>>721832
New format + file size limit is the best option. It will probably cut down used bandwidth by half.
/hr/ should be deleted as well. It doesn't contribute to anything other than wasting data.

>>716054
This seems like a very reasonable solution.
I hope it gets implemented.
Although converting all my picture to webp might be a bit of a pain in the ass.

>>721935
Support is dependent on browser, not individual websites. As long as your browser supports it you can post and view it. Any modern browser like chrome, firefox, and even edge will work. All it takes is for sites that implement filetype restrictions to allow it.

>>721969
>Although converting all my picture to webp might be a bit of a pain in the ass.
drop them all on a batch converter, go get coffee, and you're done

What about other solutions like extended security/anonymous features like stripping exif data on uploads and https?

Also, how about capping the amount of data existing on boards at a given instant? I see /wsg/ as an extended courtesy to users and I think it's reasonable to assume that most people browsing 4chan at work do not have enough down time to browse an entire board's worth of images.

>>721867
That's great and all but it doesn't affect the bandwidth problem

Reduce file sizes first, to solve the immediate problem without much cause for debate. And then feel free to add a new format later to increase quality, once you feel the format is ready.

>>721859
1. visit /g/
2. post big sized jpeg
3. wait for autistic savior of 4chan to convert your image to webm
4. tell him that webm is shit
5. get long explanation of their merits
6. ????
7. profit!

>>722052
Stripping exif data and https add near zero weight on 4chan.

>>721935
Let me test

>Does imgur accept it?
Yes
>Does the wikia network?
Can't test (need account)
>Will most fourms allow it to be embeded?
Forums usually just insert dumb <img> links, so yes
>Does google catch it with google images?
Yes

>>722171
I meant selling them as features included with the 4chan pass

>>721972
Websites like imgur and wikia very much care about the type of file you upload

Honestly doubling the post timer right now would make wonders, would force people to rethink a bit about their shitposts with their paypay memes.

>>722225
I meant that there's no server-side changes other than allowing files in that format to be uploaded and stored

>>722003
[code]
for x in *.png; do cwebp -lossless "$x" -o "${x/.png/.webp}"; done
[/code]

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I'd bet 500$ these formats don't work on Apple or probably chrome/windows

/g/'s autistic GNU/NEETs get heavily triggered by things that aren't open sores

>>722052
>Also, how about capping the amount of data existing on boards at a given instant?
Storage != Bandwidth

>>722270
They work on anything that's not safari because apple can't into standards. At least on a mac you can install a real browser, but ios cucks will stay cucked for their poor decisions.

>>722259
Websites like imgur and wikia very much need to reprocess your images

>>722270
Why wouldn't it work on Chrome? Google is the one funding these formats.

Delete /soc/
The point of 4chan is to be anonymous, not show your face, your dick and go meet up with other people.

>>721363
The issue is with connection security. Java is historically horrible with it, and simply enabling it anywhere is a risk.

>>722304
You're right. They probably need to extract metadata from the uploaded images.

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>>722299
I
FUCKING
KNEW
IT

I
AM
ALWAYS
RIGHT


>REEEEEE APPLE NORMIES

>>722270
Webp is used by default on mobile Chrome so it's definitely supported by Chrom*. I think only Firefox and Safari don't natively support it.

>>722138
thats evil

>>722334
>quoted post speaks of JS
>Java is historically horrible
This has to be a bait, right?

>>722334
But JavaScript isn't Java

>>722353
Firefox also supports it. There was a time when they opposed it but now Mozilla actually has investments in WebM and WebP due to its high efficiency.

>>722341
They need to generate thumbnails

>>722415
Firefox's only argument against WebM/WebP was always that “if we deviate from the status quo, we will just fracture the user base!”

Then chrome did it anyway and basically stole firefox's market share. Now firefox is the only major browser that doesn't support it, so the climate is completely different. Their agenda of preserving browser compatibility now compels them to implement webp instead of not implementing it.

>>718557
Only if it can be called PikariChan

>>718557
I'd hope you could change it so posts would be shown in chronological order and not grouped like that. That shit is cancer, just like the catalog.

>>722353
>Firefox supports webm but not webp
why the fuck?
there is always Weppy
>http://antimatter15.com/weppy/demo.html
but this starts adding too many scripts then

>>722270
works on opera, palemoon(variant of firefox) and chrome/chromium, on windows, linux and osx.

Works on android natively, and on ios with some apps (but not the browser)

so unless you use an iphone or internet explorer, you're find.

I said it before webm support was added and I'll say it again: add apng support.

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>>722514
>just like the catalog
what?

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>>722582
Catalog scripts were the beginning of the end.

>>718941
because banning /pol/ worked so good the first time

>>722582
>>722660
The REAL cancer is the fact that your filters aren't applied to the catalog

I filter about 80% of /g/. The catalog is unusable.

>>722548
works in qutebrowser and other qtwebkit-based browsers too

also works on firefox if you're using system libjpeg instead of their bundled crap

>>722717
>also works on firefox if you're using system libjpeg instead of their bundled crap
sorry, brain fart. That was for arithmetic coded jpg, not webp

>>716285
Love this idea.
And ban .gif for gods sake. Webms have already successfully outclassed them in every known way.

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>>716611
>Do webp have transparency?
Only binary.
>Do they allow pixel art to be displayed propely?
Not at all.
>Can you do something like pic related with webp?
No idea.

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DO NOT SELL 4CHAN TO THIS PIECE OF SHIT

>>716611
>Can you do something like pic related with webp?
No but pretty useless feature if you ask me.

>>723834
Wrong, webp has alpha-channel transparency. It also permits lossless encoding, so you can display pixel art properly.

>>723909
>No
It can if your browser supports ICC profiles