What is with American culture and the outright fuck refusal to

>>95332681
That pic looks mighty suspicious. Pics taken at different seasons and angles are the first discrepenices I notice.

>>95332681
Bottom is summer and the two photos are taken at an angle. We aren't disputing if the earth is getting hotter or not, we're disputing whether we're causing it.

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>>95332681

What is with American culture and the outright fuck refusal to accept the fact biology isn't fucking pretend?

What's the deal? Is science pretend?

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>ice melts

wow who the fuck cares

>>95332964
No dude look at the rook in the picture I live near glaciers like this they are disappearing at an alarming rate

>>95332681
Here's the thing about climate change...
The climate data has only been collected since the 1800's. So 200 + years of climate data is enough to say EXACTLY what is the correct pattern is for us today in 2016? I am not that stupid anon.

>>95332681
>being this fucking blue pilled

/pol/ is comprised of stupid fucking people. What did you expect?

>>95332681
Here's what i dont get a bout people like >>95332964
If the earth is getting warmer, and it may be us, wouldn't it be safe to just try and switching off fossil fuels to nuclear?
we need the oil for plastics and shit anyway so maybe its better to stop burning that shit and keep it to make useful stuff and use the power of the atom to warm your home

>>95333046
I know seriously

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>>95332681

Wow the world isn't a static place, really makes you think

>>95332681
To be more simple about it

>Earth 4.5 billion years old

>Weather Data collected 200 years worth

>4.5 billiion - 200 years...seems legit.

> 2016 Scientists KNOW climate is wrong.

So who's shilling who?

>>95332964
This is a fucking glacier, you moron. It's not supposed to melt like that.

>>95333782
we have climate data for 1000's of years from ice, plus scientists can work shit out from data that would make your greasy head explode

>>95333782
We have weather data for at least the last 800000 years. Taken from ice which is very detailed.

no evidence it's actually caused by men and not a natural process

>>95333887
you are dumber than the glacier...obviously

>>95332681
It's annoying as hell. They don't even know that this is what fossil-fuel corporations have been shilling for for the past 50 years.
>Good goy, climate always changes
>who cares if this is happening within decades when it normally takes hundreds or thousands of years?

>>95333887
>>95333994
No, please, stop. It's not worth your time. The Burgers who bought into this shit are too far gone. We're talking about university-level brainwashing in the US over climate change.

I think something like 40% are completely convinced that it's a myth.

>>95332681
Not believing in climate change and not believing the government can fix it are two different things.

This fucking thread lol. All the oil industry shilling, and they're doing it for free.

Let me lay this out:
>carbon in fossils
>fossils get dug up
>fossils get broken down into fuel
>break down process releases carbon
>carbon warms planet

>>95333344
So, 200 years, around the time we started breaking down fossils and creating more carbon? It's like, it's like there's a pattern or something? No. I must just be insane.

>>95333994
Scientists pull shit out of their ass to keep the funding going. And who's gonna dispute it?

>>95334622
Obviously having no education makes it hard for your simple mind to process, but to the rest of the world who has good education this shit is easy as fuck to understand. If you dont understand science; you can tell us, its ok anon :)

>>95332681
prove humans are causing it. go, faggot, go

>>95334622
This statement always fucking bugs me
>to keep the funding going

Think about what you just said. It's not funding that goes into their pockets. It's funding that goes into their projects. Look up expense reports on any research done in climate change.

Why would they lie to continue funding projects to propagate more lying if they aren't gaining the money personally? Think. Use your brain. Come on anon. I'm in your court. I'm pushing for you.

>>95332681
>What is with American culture and the outright fuck refusal to accept the fact climate change isn't fucking pretend?
What's with CHYNA refusing to cut emissions or INDIA not pooing in the loo?

>>95332681

The problem I have with the Whole Climate change thing is that there isn't a massive spike in Temperature change during WW2, Factories running non-stop massive fleets burning coal or Diesel, planes, tanks, trucks, cars all doing the same... and there is no change in the Average Temperature during that time

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Showing psuedo science to liberals, the most gullible fucks in human history

>>95332681
wowo omg there's slightly less ice form a different angle wow omg

>>95335003
nice try leaf, better luck with your shitposting next time

>>95334972
To continue receiving their paycheck.

Glaciers have been melting since the end of the last ice age.

>>95335135
shut up and remove cows
everyone knows cow farts are the cause of climate change

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>>95335032
Are you mentally deficient?

>>95333333

>>95335176
>implying we are not in an ice age right now
muh sunspots

>>95335003
China and India both signed the Paris agreement.

>>95332681
A fucking frozen creek.

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>>95332681
Man-made climate change is a lie, science is a lie.

Religion and oil company propaganda is pure truth and gospel.

Pol, everybody.

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the climate hustle is over

moron gore made 100mil go cry to him

soon we will be 0 emissions 100% thorium atomic

and israel wont matter

hope this helps

>>95334972
You understand that they get paid to work on these project correct?

>>95335158
So they're creating a gigantic hoax, pouring their lives into it, to receive their minimum wage pay? What kind of fucking mental gymnastics is this?

>>95335228
I know its hard that no one on this board respects you, but leaf the shitposting to the pros

>>95334853
As a geology major at a liberal arts school, this was the model we were given and learned.

>>95335457
It's not a minimum wage pay.

>>95335449
Just like any scientist in any field.

>>95332914
it's a glacier, they move all the time

>>95332681
climate change is inevitable. Human impact is negligable. girls are funny, get over it.

>>95333497
>comprises

>>95335523
>>95335538
So, with this train of thought, how do we know what scientists are lying and which ones aren't if there's a probability that'll they'll all lie just to get paid? What the fuck do we take as fact?

>>95332681
What is the entire house of cards built upon? What was cheap and plentiful during the boom years but is getting increasingly harder and harder to come by? Starts with an o and ends with an l.

>>95333332
Damn one off.

>>95333333

No evidence the change is caused by man and not a natural process or phase the earth has gone through before. Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you can't.

>be /pol/
>believe in a mass conspiracy by the jews who own all major companies
>banks, OIL, media, etc
>Believes that jew oil is good for the enviorment
>continues to shill for oil like a good goy

>being this fucking retarded

>>95335738
Have you heard of this thing called peer review?

Why would you apply this skepticism only to climatology? Do you think general relativity is only kept alive because people get paid to lie about it too?

>>95333782
>200 years worth
Come on. There's data for thousands of years, by looking at frozen bubbles in ice sheets.

They lie about how quickly global warming happens. Al Gore will tell you 2 decades when it is really 2 centuries, because he's a lying fearmongering piece of shit.

They also refuse to embrace the real solution, nuclear technology, and instead try to embrace the false messiah of solar power, when they don't realize that solar panels are made out of pure fucking evil that will poison the air and the water when mining and refining, would make us more dependent on (((China))), and are made out of materials too rare to supply the world.

Yeah fission fuel is bad too, but the amount needed vs energy provided ratio is so much butter. E = MC^2, and C^2 is an incomprehensibly large number.

>>95335817
But I can. I can post mountains of evidence and you could easily find in a google search but you people are so fucking stoic in wanting to defend your oil barons that you'll just say

>lol falsified they're paid off

>>95335738
Most of the information we receive, we can't treat as facts. It's up to us to choose what to believe. In areas that you're excessively involved in, you can strongly reinforce your beliefs through observing evidence. Outside of those, not much you can do.

>>95335889
This. Jesus fucking Christ this.

For how "red pilled" /pol/ wants to act, it boggles my mind that they defend the fucking the fucking oil companies this hard.

>>95335817
Rise in tropopause heighy proves the temperature anomaly is caused predominantly by atmospheric CO2 and not say, the sun, and the change in carbon isotope ratios shows the increase in atmospheric CO2 is caused by burning fossil fuels.

>>95335982
>>95335952
maybe they are the ones paid off by the (((oil barons))) to shill on this site?

>>95332681

Yeah I know and you can fix it you just need my money right? Fucking charlatans.

>>95335889
>>95336055
oil is bad therefor humans are causing climate change

makes sense

>>95336031
In the area I live in, with a simple search of the weather history, it has only been getting warmer annually every year. So, is this reason enough for me to believe through my own consensus that the planet is warming? I'm using your logic here.

>>95335751

Opals?

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the climate hustle has been going on for decades

every 7 years or so they say oh we will all burn up

oh we will all freeze solid

then dummy like gore gets 100mil

remember thsi is government level money in 10s fo billions

banks being told they msut loan to green energy projects

loser climate science professor making 100s of millions on 1 projec tliek solyandra

Un wants 100B to fight climate crap

and its all BS

many useless degres ge tlaid to do environmtal impact survery for million for small prject

there is big money in a morality backed scam!!

cap n trade is ultimate scam a toatl energy takeover where republcians corps ignore commies

commies took over law n holywood

everythign democrats spew is bs

democrats are wrong about everything

all commy takeover everything they do

>>95336086
So, the oil companies are paying scientists to create global warming hoaxes to make their jobs harder? What?

>>95332681
The problem is, we don't have enough scientific data. I believe climate change is real, I believe global warming is real. I also believe they have happened in the past and again, we don't have the scientific data to prove it.

A period of global warming was experienced in the mid 10th century to early 16th century. This period saw Norsemen like Lief Ericsson travel to Iceland and Greenland with wooden longboats via routes that today require the most advanced icebreakers.

We also know the melting of oceanic ice leads to a breakdown in ocean currents, which results in periods of global cooling. Consider that Great Britain is often warmer than areas on the same latitude in the Western Hemisphere; this is because ocean currents drive warm air across these areas. The last time we had a period of great global cooling, Napoleon was ousted from Russia and George Washington crossed an ice-choked Delaware River.

I think we are being disingenuous when we take a bunch of scientific studies by globalist scientists and compile them together to form some sort of hodgepodge conclusion that the scientists themselves did not even agree with. I think the greater threat is in polluting our groundwater, and overpopulation in Western areas leading to a lack of water. Water will be in the 22nd century what oil was in the 20th and 21st.

But liberals refuse to acknowledge this because they can't read past whatever opinion piece is being shoved down their throats by a woman on HuffPost that graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in Gender Studies. They push the idea that arbitrary rises in global temperature are a danger, while the rest of the world continues to be fucked over. These are the same people that think the uptick in forest fires are due to global warming when in reality, forests need to burn or we have forest fires (just like controlled burns on prairies). But we can't let nature happen because we continually settle in areas that should not be settled in.

>>95332681
>Is the climate changing?

Probably.

>Is it mankind's fault?

Probably not, but yeah, pollution is bad.

>Do we need to pay a carbon tax to the World Bank to "offset" pollution?

No. That just means pollute all you want as long as the Rothschilds get theirs... Fuck your mother.

>>95336163
Yes. But we're trying to link that to actions of men.

Why are Americans so stupid that they deny the obvious fact of global warming?

Do you fags deny gravity too? What about eliocentricity?

The American race is clearly genetically deficient in some form.

>>95332681
>What is with Republican culture
> and the outright fuck refusal to accept
> anything fact-based in the reality we live in?

FTFY, OP. No charge.

Republicans have been destroying the educational system here ever since Regan lied his way into office. Taking a wrecking ball to our schools and polluting knowledge and science with their derp is the only defense they have left to try and hide the fact that their magic sky creature has a small penis.

> t. /pol/

>>95336259
>A period of global warming was experienced in the mid 10th century to early 16th century.
Not global, regional.

>>95333563
My problem with it all is that it more or less comes down to this; "whaah climate change is real so now you and your neighbours should use these energy friendly lights cause that will totally stop it!" Meanwhile said energy friendly lights are made in a country where they pollute, waste and basically hold the majority share on what everyone is advocating everyone else about. I can clean up my front yard but if the entire neighborhood (meaning countries on the other side of the world) do not give a shit then nothing can really change.

>>95336129
To be fair everyone said that tobacco didn't cause cancer, and that everyone who insisted the companies were engaging in a coverup were called conspiritards and spit upon.

I wonder what happened with that?

>>95336228
nah, paying shills on /pol/ to act retarded

>>95336351
switching to nuclear is a fucking start

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>>95336361
tobacco doesn't cause cancer though

>>95336361
What happened?

>>95336465
Also sugar doesn't make you fat, right?

>>95336488
\//\

>>95336488
It turns out that tobacco causes cancer, and the companies were engaging in a coverup.

>>95336527
Not an argument.

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>>95334853

>mfw this is the fourth time we have invented the internal combustion engine, and sealed our fate

>>95336455
China is building quite a lot of them I heard, but a country where they dump chemicals into rivers, kill all their fish as result and get people ill just cause they don't care about consequence is not a country I like to see use nuclear power.

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>>95332681
You know, climate change is a consistent event that has happened since the Earth was formed. Claiming that humans can alter the very planet to a significant degree is just plain narcissism.

>>95336347
Wrong? There is plenty of historical evidence to suggest it was very much indeed global. Our massive oceans are interlinked, and when our currents slow, they effect the other bodies of water. One can only assume there were greater local effects in areas that depend upon the warmer currents (Western Europe) but we can't deny the total effect was global.

>>95336527
Sugar doesn't make you fat, eating too much of it does, just as anything you eat.

>What is with American culture
>refuse to accept the fact climate change
>isn't fucking pretend

Climate change is real.
Global warming is real.
Melting ice cap is real.

But it doesn't matter, we as human beings, do not have the power, control or will to stop extinction or climate change. We do not have the power to control natural phenomenons such as global warming.

The belief that ceasing human activity, will reduce, stop, control or influence natural phenomenon is hubris.

Be humble and do what humans do.

>>95336688
Can you show me scientific evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was global? I wasn't aware the consensus had shifted.

>>95336709
It turns out sugar actually does make you fat, and sugar companies have been bribing nutritionists since the 50s to lie avout it

>>95336739

Wow man you are fucking retarded ignoring the facts. Now give me money for cleaner, safer energy. You alone can make a difference and pay me.

>>95333139
The Arctic will be habitable for shitskins in our lifetime.

>>95336582
So basically the same claim that there was against tobacco at start?

>>95336851
It turns out you need to go back to physics class is and learn what conservation of energy is, fatty.

>>95336856
kek, muh environmental science money.

How much Carbon Dioxide was in the air in the carboniferous period.

> what was the temp?

Fuck Manmade-global-climate-warming-change.

>FFS the entire solar system is warming you non science fucks. Go to bed.

>>95333046
>What's the deal? Is science pretend?
>all one race
>gender doesnt exist
sure the fuck looks like its pretend to me.

>NASA continues to change figures after the fact
>people are too dumb to realize this

its like climate change is profitable or some shit

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>>95332681
>implying anyone denies climate change

There were some Republicans way back in the mid 2000s that tried to repudiate climate change back when the Republican party was getting big money from Big Oil. Obviously now it's Obama and the DNC that get sweet, sweet OPEC money, but they saw how little effect denying climate change had, so they just have large Democract-style regulations to kill smaller businesses, like trying to out right kill oil business here in the US because >muh climate change, while at the same time fueling a war for a Saudi-Qatari pipeline through Syria.

Anyway, the 5 year prediction model of "scientists" from the UN actually fell short and their hypothesis was wrong, and of course all of their data used as narrow data points as possible to push the myth so the UN could get substantiated through the global Carbon Tax from the Paris Agreements. No one denies climate change exists, we've been through Ice Ages before, and the world had volcanoes all erupting at once when a meteor hit our planet.

The problem is that if you look at data that actually spans 100s of thousands of years, instead of just a data set of 200, 100, or even 5 years, you can clearly see that there is no correlation between CO2 emission and climate change. We're coming out of a mini ice-age now, so naturally, the world will increase its temperature. Saying "LOOK NO SNOW THIS SEASON, GLOBAL WARMING" is hardly scientific.

Of course if you want to be a religious science-denier, go ahead.

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>Global warming is fake because my republican congressman who gets all his fundraising money from exxon mobile tells me it is.

It seems like this phenomena is an exclusively American one.

>>95333046
If warming is occurring your a retard to believe the government can do anything to solve it when they can't solve a banking problem or maintain a healthcare system. Tard.. Also drunk skrry

>>95335230

There is a yearly temperature differential of 40 degrees centigrade from average to average, and of 80 from extreme to extreme.

How or why would 1 degree Celsius increase have any sort of impact on a system that already varied by 80 fucking degrees Celsius?

Is going from minus 40 to minus 39C in winter, and from plus 40 to plus 41 in summer really going to change anything?

>>95337089
I don't even care about nasa faking numbers, I live in a sky resort town and winter is definitely different than 20 years ago.

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>What's the deal? Is science pretend?
When did computer models programed with faked data and inaccurate data become science?

>>95336912
Yes, but my point is that things shouldn't be dismissed for being conspiracy theories. The tobacco conspiracy and the asbestos conspiracy were both huge.
>no goyim, breathing asbestos dust is fine. Ignore that coal dust also causes problems, and asbestos is harder and less biodegradable
>no goyim, breathing burning tar is perfectly fine. Ignore that breathing coal dust also causes problems.

>>95332681
Which looks better to you? A lump of gay ice or a sweet fucking pond? I fully support global warming.

>>95337299
that usually happens when the world comes out of an ice age mountain jew

>>95332681
Its not that the climate is not changing, its just that if you are th eonly one that does something to reduce emisions then you get out competed in the market.

Kill the chinks and you can have your environmental paradise

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gotta spoon feed you dumb fucks

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

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>>95333782
Real climate /sci/entist here. Here are 3 of my basic arguments:
1. CO2 absorb/re-emit infrared, while let visible light pass through - a phenomenon in which scientist called "greenhouse" gas behavior. This is fundamental 19th century physics and easily reproducable experiment.

2. CO2 in the atmosphere is rising due to fossil fuel. This is due to ratio of carbon isotopes, 12C compared to 13C in the atmosphere getting more enriched in 12C. Data comes from measurements since the 60's and before that from ice core records, which unlike other proxies contain actual sample of earth's past atmosphere trapped in their bubbles (pic related). Again this is non-controversial.

So what happens when you add gas which exhibit greenhouse behavior artificially into the atmosphere? Fundamental physics states that you will change the energy balance of the system due to conservation of energy. This is observable in

3. Satellites can record energy in (sunlight integrated over area) from light detector pointed at the sun and energy out of earth from light detector pointed towards Earth.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_16/

What we observe is that the Earth's is currently at energy imbalance, just like as the simple physics predicted. The energy imbalance must go somewhere due to conservation of energy, and it warms both the atmosphere and the ocean.

>>95337214

Global warming is real because my liberal overlords and scientists who stand to make a profit hawking inconclusive research say so.

>>95337026
Remember the last extinction?

When carbon dioxide was sucked off by silicate rocks that was newly exposed to the atmosphere by natural phenomenons such as earthquake and volcanic activity?

It caused an ice age that killed 95% of life on earth? Took millions of years to bounce back? While our North and south pole is still frozen. Before you talk shit about carbon dioxide, global warming or fear mongering about rising sea levels. Just remember, Sahara desert used to be an ocean. Carbon dioxide is food for plants. Carbon dioxide keep earth warm for life to grow.

just watched that dicaprio documentary on climate change

they have this Indian bitch in that movie that has the fucking gall to criticize Americans and suggest they use solar energy of all things, when most of their citizens don't even use electricity yet

She says since the us does it it's okay for them to do it and they don't have a choice, absolutely incredible

2016 hottest year on recond

>>95337406
Out of an ice age? And when did this ice age start that is coming to an end?

http://www.space.news/2015-10-06-entire-solar-system-is-heating-up-scientists-blame-solar-warming.html

>BUT MAH GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

Whats the deal with people freaking out about climate change? It's supposed to happen. Why aren't we putting more resources into getting off this planet for when the sun eventually goes super nova? Everything will end eventually anyway. The universe will die blah blah blah

>>95335895
By this logic any peer reviewed paper I pull out of my ass is 100% factual.

A healthy dose of skepticism is good for you.

Otherwise you're gonna wake up reading shite like http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08975353.2013.849551 and then somehow decide that the peer reviewing process is infallible .

>>95332681
Doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the climate changes whatsoever.

The question or doubt is directly and completely derived from whether or not shipping trillions of dollars in taxes to the Jews will make it more palatable.

Now kindly fuck off faggot.

>>95337538

please ignore the chart .... you dumb fuck and spew a bunch of bs.. Nevermind you DID.

>>95337519
cause the windmill industry and the solar industry is just so powerful in congress compared to oil companies.

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>>95332681

I'd love to skip 50 years forward to tell all you retards ''I told you so, global warming is a hoax''. But then you stupid faggots will have forgotten all about it.

These alarmist hoaxes get forgotten so easily
>we're going into an ice age, we will all die!
>holes in the ozone layer are growing, we're all going to die!
>we're going to run out of oil by 2010, society is going to fall apart!
>we're going to get hit by an asteroid in 2012 and all die!

Just shut the fuck up.
There was no evidence for those things, there is no evidence for global warming.

>>95337920
>anomaly

>>95337586
the little ice age which google tells me was from 1300 to 1870
which means we should still be going up like >>95334853 points out

>>95337408
80% of the carbon emitted since the Industrial revolution was emitted by developed nations - from this developed nations built 1st world countries, technologies, wealth and infrastructures with it. It is not fair to kneecap people on the developing world when 80% of the problem is due to developed world and the developed world have already reap the gains for it.

Going by total carbon emitted makes more sense than annual emission. Despite China being #1 emitter and India being #3 GHG (greenhouse gas) annual emitter, their total contribution to the total anthropogenic emission is small compared to what the developed countries like ours have emitted.

>>95337878
Do your research. Solar and wind is a racket. There is a reason nuclear energy is so demonized and those two are so heavily pushed.

>>95337614
>super nova
You mean exit the main sequence and become a red giant. Supernova is where Earth is destroyed as sun explodes (can't happen; sun too small). Becoming a red giant is where the sun expands so much that it engulfs the Earth.

That's not going to happen for another 5 billion years. If humanity hasn't built sufficient rocket technology to evacuate the Earth and move to a comfy and safe planet elsewhere in FIVE BILLION YEARS, then we deserve it.

>>95332681
My issue is that it's immeasurable what each individual person contributes to global climate change and Obama wants to tax me for it as if he has any understanding. Not to mention it's now called climate change because when they tried to call it global warming and cooling, they couldn't fucking predict jack shit based on "man's contribution" to it

>>95338001
but they don't have to go through the whole process that we went through to invent more environmentally friendly means of productions. We already did that, so they might aswell use them too.

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>>95332681
We aren't even close to the medieval warm period when they were growing grapes and making wine in northern England.

>>95333778
What am I looking at?

>>95338008
personally I'm fine with nuclear. I think it gets allot of hate because there have been allot of meltdowns in the last 60 years

>>95332681
We believe in global warming, plenty don't believe in climate change however. I may have those flipped, but one is that things are changing due to ice age cycles and the other is that things are changing due to humans.

>>95333497
some intelligence

>>95334470
It's basically a myth retard
>are humans changing the climate
>mostly, yes
>is it anywhere near what people moan about?
>no
t. I forecast weather for a living

Do you remember acid rain propaganda from back in the day? Similar to nuclear fallout vids telling you to hide under a desk. Just because someone has a camera and money doesn't mean they know what the fuck they're talking about. see porn for an example

>>95337450
>>95337590

> ITT alarmists get educated. Then leave.

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>>95332681

Here's your peer review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0

>>95332681
>What is with American culture and the outright fuck refusal to accept the fact climate change isn't fucking pretend?

maybe you can accept the fact that humans have fuck all to do with it

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>>95333782
>unironcally think climate change is fake in 2016
>calling us dumb
go back to primary school

>>95338179
>allot of meltdowns
Anon, there are way more deaths from accidents per capita with conventional energy production and commie energy production.

The media just hypes the fuck out of nuclear accidents.

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>>95333563
nuclear isn't necessarily the safest either
current technology produces waste, toxic for thousands for years.

In the beginning it is concentrated, as time goes on, more and more of it leaks. Isolation is the only solution pursued by the nuclear industry as of today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPmuAHhaWkM

There's also a lot of nuclear as is.
Planned nuclear power plants (scroll down for list):
http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/current-and-future-generation/plans-for-new-reactors-worldwide.aspx

>>95332681
If you can't form a grammatically correct sentence, you can't make educated scientific decisions.

>>95338368
Not dumb ... just easily misled. Go back to sleep.

>>95338179
the only catastrophic meltdowns have been due to either buildings not built to code, employee failure, or both. If anyone ever tries to push solar and wind as viable alternatives to fossil fuels, they are paid shills or useful idiots.

the fact that people can compare the US to France and then try to tell me we should invest in solar energy when 80% of France's energy comes from nuclear energy tells me they are either completely fucking stupid OR paid off by the solar/wind lobby

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Climate change is real, manmade climate change by way of global warming is not.

What a coincidence it is that the leading contributor of CO2 into our atmosphere is from China who also is the leading contributor of "going green" products to the US.

>>95332681

nobody denies climate change because the climate is literally always changing throughout the geological history of earth

>>95332914
THIS.
FPBP.

>>95336640
other countries that will get nuclear power: Egypt, India and Pakistan, Brazil, Romania

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>>95332681
Actual science confirms that man-made global warming is a hoax. Keep buying into the religion of establishment-funded scientism and telling yourself you're "enlightened". :)

>>95338153
>We already did that, so they might aswell use them too.

Yeah whenever they're available as dictated by the market sure. For example you start a village development in Africa, you'd be cheaper with solar panel right away rather than building grids across wasteland of South Sudan. But if you live in major cities like Mumbai or Beijing, the infrastructure is already there and they would be kneecapping themselves out of economic development forcing solar panel through their aerosol haze.

>>95337321
>When did computer models programed with faked data and inaccurate data become science?
never,
when did ignoring facts and boldly stating claims without evidence become cool.

>>95338439
Common misconception about nuclear energy. Most of the fissile products can be reused over and over.

>>95338628
>when did ignoring facts and boldly stating claims without evidence become cool.
Ever since global warming hoaxters proved that they can get away with it.

>>95338179

too much overhead, the waste never goes away, you have to spend even more overhead getting rid of it, then securing it and guarding it and testing it, and when things go bad they go BAD. its just a fucking stupid way to essentially boil water. offshore wind is the way to go.

>>95338040

the earth will get much hotter before then . last I saw is that we have just over a billion to get out of here, because the oceans will boil in two

>>95338628
1956 when the Silent Weapons System came into effect.

>>95338620
Please retort any of my points here >>95337496
jyuu-kun

>>95338640

Thorium reactors FTW

>>95338620
Anything to back up that claim? Lemme see that "real" science Shlomo

>>95338699
>Real climate /sci/entist here.
There you go. Your entire post debunked by its first line. :)

>>95338640
CAN, but aren't as of today -- you can visit the website of the nuclear plant operators. They say some waste can be recycled, but there is still the need for a final storage.

>>95334408
Ok lets just keep spewing greenhouse gases then lol cus us fat amurocans are so special lol lets eat more burgars lol *farts massively and shits pants *

>>95338718
i linked a few things to back that up
read the thread moog

>>95338718
Burden of proof is on the doomsday believers.

>>95338690
Again, you've been misled. Most of the current reactor models reuse their fissile materials over and over. All current waste from all the reactors in the us could be stored in a space the size of a football field. You've been had by the wind lobby

>>95338734
Don't they teach basic science before forcing you guys to join the IDF? Can you refute any of the real arguments I laid out there?

Thread being purposely derailed.

>>FFS

>>95338763
I know you wrote that post trying to pretend to be someone else but that's exactly how you're seen when you're not pretending.

>>95332681
It's a natural process fuckwit. The amount of difference human beings contribute to the weather is negligible if any. The only insane conspiracy theory is climate change itself. Any rational person can see we're not dying tomorrow.

>>95334567

Explain global greening.

>>95338902
Largest producer of CO2 into out atmosphere are from natural sources, and fossil fuels only come second in man-made emissions.

>>95334567
>I must just be insane.
You are. Just FYI

>>95338902
Debating with a self-proclaimed "climate scientist" about the climate hoax is about as productive as debating a pastor about religion. You're too far-gone and emotionally invested in it. No amount of logic and evidence can change your mind.

>>95338699
Your points are demonstrated false by the post above yours: >>95337450
No actual relation between CO2 and avg temperature historically.

>>95338794
You just said you have real scientific evidence that its false, I'm just trying to learn the facts.

>>95338770
I'll check them out, thanks

>>95338040
Sorry it was just a rambling/shitpost.

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>>95338597

>>95339033
Explain ocean acidification

>>95339169
>scientific evidence that it's false
That makes about as much sense as requesting scientific evidence that deities don't exist. It's impossible in principle, and that in itself renders your claims unscientific.

>>95332681
Nice sample size faggot

Winter/summer

>>95339300

>>95338620
>Actual science confirms that man-made global warming is a hoax. Keep buying into the religion of establishment-funded scientism and telling yourself you're "enlightened". :)

>Actual science confirms

What science? Show me the evidence you claim dude that's all im asking.

>>95332681
>What is with American culture and the outright fuck refusal to accept the fact climate change isn't fucking pretend?

Climate change is benefiting many parts of North America. The only places that are in any danger are the coasts. The central plains are seeing longer growing seasons.

>>95339433
I just did. For something to be actual science, the hypothesis behind it needs to be falsifiable. Man-made global warming as an unfalsifiable hypothesis, therefore this huge deal the establishment makes about it is a hoax.

>>95335230
oh friendo, don't you know, those graphs be curved like school grades and poll sampling for hilldawg

>>95333497
Lots of idiots on /pol -- also some of the very smartest. It's an interesting place, else there would be nobody here. 4chan as a whole has a lot more cultural influence than most hentai boards do.

USGS Geologist here,

So climate change is real, i mean its definitely happening obviously no one is debating that, it the question of what is causing it.
Really all the evidence points to it being anthropogenic, but im still voting for Trump because all the evidence also suggests that its basically too late now and weve kinda fucked ourselves already. At this point we just have to be strong as a country and get ready to deal with the effects, because no climate legislation is going to stop the shit from going down.

>tldr maga

>>95339566
>the earth isn't actually warming, species aren't going extinct because of it, ocean isn't actually getting more acidic, climate change isn't happening, etc etc

>all because of the scientific method

ok

>>95339562
Weather is getting warmer along the coasts and there are fewer rains.

We're at the ultimate collapse

The Romans did what we are doing on a smaller scale, Spanish skies were said to be blackened by smithies and fires and the Tiber was brown with filth.

We're nearing the end of a Republic that is a world power, nearing the end of a relative golden age, stagnation in economy, technology, and advancement, we're seeing the climate fuck up on a massive scale, -and finally we're nearing the end of a civilization. It's like the Fall of Rome on steroids and meth

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>>95332681
climate change is real, global warming isn't.

>>95332681
Why won't climate change believers accept that climate change deniers believe in science, but believe the science behind climate change is FLAWED!
Just stop pretending that deniers don't have good arguments, and have a civilised debate, without calling your opposition "Anti-Science".

>>95339741
>the biggest and oldest western imageboard has more cultural influence than other western imageboards

GENIUS

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>>95332914
this

>>95339823
Both my posts refer to man-made global warming specifically, not just global warming. The hypothesis of man-made global warming is unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific.

>>95339799
Archaeologist here.
We'll be fine. Humans are natural resettlers should our previous cities become inhabitable.
It's not like the first time the climate has changed on us anyway.

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>>95339999
Quads confirm that man-made global warming is unscientific.

>>95339899
Not even close to the oldest and not that big.

Need to go beat up your mom for more vodka money, Boris.

>>95338246
undertoasted

>>95340114
Oh by all means, please, do tell me which one is oldest and which one is biggest.

>>95332681

Nobody here is denying it, were just saying that if we can get rid of all the spics, jigs, chinks, and kikes we will be well on our way to getting the global climate back on track.

>>95332681
climate change is a political issue, the scientists are bought and paid for
that said, I believe that the climate is changing but am not convinced that it is manmade climate change
and i am highly skeptical of the claim that the way to fix the climate is by being a good goy and paying environmental taxes and handing over your freedoms to stop global warming

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>>95332681

>>95340236
Bretty sure your mom's the biggest, Boris. Now run along and see if you can grab her purse before she wakes up.

>>95340413
I don't get it.

>>95332681
even if it is real, which id still say it is despite the hoax claimers, going green wont solve shit. you need to remove the co2 through a process, an idea that defies all logic for the libtards

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>>95339999
>humans release billions of tons of CO2 every year

>Oceans absorb billions of tons of CO2 every year, making carbonic acid (HCO3)

>Ocean becomes acidic, effectively melting all of the calcified shells of coral reefs, etc

Where is the excess CO2 in our oceans coming from if it's not from burning fossil fuels?

>>95340580
do you understand how water solubility works?

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>>95334567
And yet the biggest contributor to (((climate change))) is farm animal farts that have been around for millennia, despite the fact that the entire argument from you faggots is based on the fact that global temperatures have been rising for only the last hundred years.

Get your arguments straight and stop fear mongering. Then we'll talk.

>>95336616
Interesting

>>95340642
Yes

>>95332681
You may want to lookup who runs these (((climate))) organisations. Same with the (((meds))) and (((biochem)))

>>95332681
These are two different seasons and the picture was taken far closer to the glacier in the top picture than the bottom

>>95340580
>how did the universe come to exist if god didn't create it?
Not a valid argument. You're not addressing the fact that your hypothesis is unfalsifiable and therefore unscientific.

>>95340580
>what does "unfalsifiable" mean?

>>95340807
How is it unfalsifiable?

>>95332914
Glaciers aren't seasonal. That's the whole point.There's nothing suspicious, apart from your obnoxious refusal to see what has clearly happened in the photo.

>>95332914
Also it's barely any snow

>>95340963
>How is it unfalsifiable?
This ridiculous question shows the depth of your misunderstanding of the scientific method. How is it falsifiable? What is required to prove that global warming is not, in fact, caused by man?

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>>95334363

Yeah we do. Atlantis confirmed. What else could have caused that spike millions of years ago but capitalist cavemen.

>>95340963
How is it falsifiable? Establishing that is the job of (((scientists))). Please, tell me the hypothesis you have for why humans are causing global warming, and then give an example of empirical evidence that would prove that hypothesis false.

>>95332681
we accept climate change. we recognize that there have been numerous ice ages throughout history.

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>yfw we're literally experiencing the 6th great extinction and you faggots won't even come to terms with it

>>95341594
>please include the jews

>>95338248

last bump for info
>I'm off to bed

>>95337496
Ty anon

>>95332681
I accept climate change. Just like I accept Muslims are terrorists.
I simply don't care about climate change because stopping it would lower my standard of living.

>>95341594
Good, fuck nature n shit

>>95341594
>mfw your utter inability to address my arguments doesn't raise a red flag for you and you just pretend it never happened and continue shilling for man-made GW
Top notch brainwashing.

>>95337496
What does this have to do with paying carbon taxes, please?

>>95341790

The fact that we aren't all as nuclear as France is all I need to know that no one really gives a fuck. If they did we would be building more.

>>95332681
> Is science pretend?

science is overwhelmingly liberal. just ask Dr. james watson.

>invents DNA
>happens to prove races aren't the same
>shunned by society
>society misinterprets DNA

>>95338623
Then fuck them, if we TRULY believe that this will cause the end of the world and the loss of countless lives, is it not worth forcing this people to adapt, even if by military means?

>>95337614
Our sun will not end up exploding as a supernova. It will become a red giant then a white dwarf

>>95342096
>invents DNA

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I can tell that man-made climate change isn't real by how frustrated the defenders are.

You can say that the Holocaust didn't happen but people who believe it did don't sperg out this hard while arguing. You can even say that the Earth is flat and normal people don't become so outraged.

Both sides can provide scientific data to prove their point, but only one side seems to have some emotional attachment to their argument. The pro-climate change people are emotionally upset and it shows. You all start to argue like women.

>WOW YOU CALL YOURSELF REDPILLED?
>LOOK AT THIS ANON OVER HERE, I MEAN COME ON!
>I CANT EVEN BELIEVE THAT YOU DONT BELIEVE GOSH
>HOW DO WE EVEN SHARE A BOARD??

Climate change is real but human beings have little-to-nothing to do with it - certainly not enough to justify castrating our industries to the point that we can't compete with China.

>>95342395
well technically DNA is just a model describing what we think is going on inside the human body

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>>95332681
It was never about whether or not anthropological climate change existed, but about to what degree our influence actually mattered, how much we could do about it, and at what cost.

The truth is that industrialization cannot be stopped and Liberals never had the will to do it. If they had wanted to, they wouldn't have fought nuclear.

All of the "sustainable" energy bullshit is just that. Bullshit. Solar panels are all made in China out of rare earth elements that are produced by horrendous mining processes that dump thousands of gallons of mercury and chemicals into the water. Lithium for the batteries of electric cars is even worse. Wind power is a meme. Geothermal is too dependent on geography.

There was no way out. China was not going to stop burning coal, and as the rest of the third world industrializes they're going to start, and they're going to do a LOT worse than China ever did.

If we had agreed to cripple ourselves we would have merely thrown away our civilization for nothing.

While the carbon emissions we emit are different from natural CO2

We also have had periods with high methane and that didn't wipe out the earth

hmmmmmm
>>95333782
At this point I think both sides are bouncing off of each other on purpose

>>95339164
Good troll, but flag gives away.

>>95340060
yeah climate is constantly changing, and everybody is constantly freaking out about it haha.

>"last year winter warmer than this year winter, gods must be mad"

>>95342399

Dude, 100. You probably actually are Trump

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>>95339566

>>95341671
topkek

>>95342399
>You can say that the Holocaust didn't happen but people who believe it did don't sperg out this hard while arguing
Yeah they call police and you are placed in jail

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>>95332914
>>95335567
>>95338597
>>95339919

Holy shit I honestly hope you guys are trolling. No one can be this legitimately retarded or at least not with so much self confidence. Glacier are not seasonal. Glacier can be widely observed to have withdrawn considerably, from tourists to scientists around the world the evidence is plainly there for naked eyes to see.

>>95342230
I was already told this is you read back.

>>95342899
Forgive me I am on my cellphone

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kek

>>95342652
>>95342772
Top notch climate hoax believer "arguments" right there. What's wrong? Do you see Judaism as a competing religion?

>>95332681
>ideologically driven computer modeling
>science

pick one

>>95342516
>DNA is just a model
What are you on about?

DAILY REMINDER

* A doubling of preindustrial CO2, absent any feedbacks, would result in a maximum forcing of +1.2C.

* The General Circulation Models, and the IPCC, predict 2-8C of warming because AGW theory assumes a positive H2O feedback. They assume that if CO2 causes a little warming, the atmosphere will hold more water vapor which will lead to a lot of warming.

* The warming predictions cover such a large range because everyone assumes a different average H2O feedback rate.

* Every GCM based on this assumption has failed to model temperatures for the past 17 years. They are all trending too high.

* In the late 1990's the modelers themselves stated that if they missed their predictions for more then a decade that would falsify AGW theory.

* There is no data to suggest a +H2O feedback either now or in Earth's past.

* If there is no +H2O feedback then we literally have nothing to worry about.

* The average climate change believer knows none of this. Politicians, citizens, activists, surprisingly even a lot of scientists are literally ignorant of the theory and the math. In their mind it's simply "CO2 = bad" and "experts say we're warming faster then ever."

>>95342999
Noice trips

>>95343114
well you can't fucking see it can you?
they only recently have seen it with an electron microscope meaning before then its just a theory/model

>>95343186
>DAILY REMINDER
Cool so are you going to start a thread that reminds us everyday?

>>95332681
Why do you keep spamming these shitty slide threads?

SAGE this shit, please

>>95332681
>Dirty snow
>Nice lake
I don't see the problem here

>>95332681
Everyone knows man-made global warming caused the extinction of the woolly mammoth. All those campfires polluted the ozone and shit.

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>>95342516
American education strikes again

>>95343630
Is that fucking Canadian Tire money?

>>95343630
where am I wrong?
last time I checked its a theory or model just like what we think of the atom as
when he made the model for dna they had never seen it either
or maybe i totally misunderstood either what he found or the tech we had

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>>95332681
>A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE IS A THING

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN CARBON DIOXIDE IS THE CAUSAL LINK

WHEN A LIBTARD FAGGOT STARTS PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, WHAT THEY WANT IS CARBON TAX AND GOVERNMENT RAMMING THE PEOPLE DEEPER IN THE ASS

>>95336864
>new zealand education
Retard. The Arctic is nothing but ice.

>>95343630
DNA could refer to the molecules themselves or to the theory explaining how biological creatures are formed from these molecules. The second one is indeed a model. Israel is also one of the last countries in a position to attack others for their education. :|

>>95338439

That's a biproduct of nuclear fission. Fusion is the future and just around the corner.

>>95332681
No one denies climate change. /pol/ accepts that. What /pol/ doesn't accept is the bullshit narrative that it's unnatural and that we can stop it.

>>95332914
And way different angles

>>95343892
Maybe he was talking about the Antarctic

China and inda will spew as much as they wan't go yell at them

>>95336274
/Thread

>>95336274
This.

americans are dumb. Thats why they also vote for drumpf.

>>95332914
Why are Americans so stupid? Serious question

>>95337299
Dude yeah i live in alaska and shit is changing fast. Im not gonna jump to any conclusion, but the observation that shits changing is undeniable

>>95336274
This man is right.

The is nothing wrong with protecting the environment and I think every country should do their part.

Funnily since this whole climate change shit nothing improved at all. I'm separating my trash like a retarded little good goy while the big pollutioners gayly carry on polluting. Only difference is that now they put a pretty green label with random animal on their products.

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>>95332681
who gives a flying fuck about that shitty river
seriously you have nothing better to do?

>>95332681
Remember in the 70s when they said an ice age was coming? Stop being a retard.

So many better options than fossil fuels... who doesnt want any of those options to be reality? exactly, the same people that want you to pay more taxes for the hoax.

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>>95333046
There was S no solution, even when f we stop all carbon out put right now all over the world, we would slow down the trend by what? Ten years?

Storms have gotten stronger, but tye sea level barely rose 2 millimeters... the predictive models are bullshit... and they only thing climate laws are doing now massively taxing the poor country and making a bunch if immigrants.

>>95332681
I think it's more so that people don't believe in global warming. Yes, I agree that climate change is real, but there isn't enough evidence to prove that global warming is as real as it is portrayed. I'm not denying the theory; I'm just saying that it is possible that it's all part of climate change.