Is liberalism dying? Notice the rise of the alt-right and the

I don't think you understand the alt-right. NRx, yes, but the alt-right are just populists and dissatisfied "anti neo-con" Republicans. They still participate and support democracy, and American Republican values and so are liberal.

If you were anti liberal you would not say "Make America Great Again", you would say that America was never great, since it is founded on liberal humanist values. True anti liberals puke at the deceleration of independence.

Your petty American squabbles are nothing compared to the real threat to "liberty" in this century: Sino-Capitalism and mass automation. I suggest you put aside such childish concerns as Trump or feminism and look East.

If you get even half of your political "information" from 4chan then you literally have no idea what's going on in the world. You live in a delusional reality created by a self-reinforcing chamber of memes and bait. Both of these posts
>>88280722
>>88280723
are cartoon-levels of understanding. Real life is not one of your animes. Just because you see the same memes on /pol/ every day doesn't mean any of that shit has anything to do with reality. Please read Rawls and Nozick and the newspaper and then you can talk about real politics.

>>88280724
>cite two of the most widely known entry level political philosophers
>think you're some brilliant genius

>>88280722
>rise of the alt right

/pol/ is not real life.

Yeah, I think so.

>>88280724
Newspapers in America are shit.

>>88280726
In real life a presidential candidate claimed that they were a major factor in Trump's rise.

/pol/ is mainstream now and it was frogs that did it.

>>88280725
Are you seriously trying to imply that most /pol/ shitposters and Christian larpers and shit have even heard of John Rawls? Go fuck yourself
>>88280727
Well good thing you have instant, free access to media from all over the world right at your fucking fingertips dipshit

>>88280728
/pol/ has tons of influence on the internet but Trump's rise IRL was due to other factors that were bound to happen eventually.

We should probably stop talking about Trump though since we're not on the politics board and his presidential campaign is past the cutoff date.

>>88280728
She just did that because trump is trying to reach minority voters so she's pulling the he's a racist card. They are a small group that isnt even ideologically cohesive.

>>88280728
No. The vast majority of Trump's base is middle-aged or old.

Young people are more liberal than ever. The alt-right thing is nothing more than a boogeyman to scare progressives.

>>88280724
>Please read Rawls and Nozick and the newspaper

>Read two entry level political philosophers from 45 years ago and watch msm propaganda, then you'll be informed.

Even /pol/ memesters are better than that.

>>88280728
>it was frogs that did it.

pls, NEETs don't have the constitution to go to rallies and whatnot, it was the "obamer is a musleem" rednecks and cocky dudebros who are willing to hold slightly offensive signs on the street

Assuming we're talking about liberalism as in progressives/democrats, and not neo-liberal capitalism, no, I don't think it's dying but it is facing a crisis.

Liberal politics have cemented themselves as the party of the status quo. The paradigm of nationalism vs. globalism is not going to go away any time soon, and left-wing political bodies are plagued with the hypocrisy of supporting globalism while still trying desperately to be the "party of the people".

Donald Trump isn't going to win this election. It's actually very well possible that Clinton will beat him in a landslide. However, Trump's focus and general modus operandi is not going to be forgotten. The next guy who comes along and takes up his mantle may have a shot.

>>88280733
>oh they're real academics and not meme-pedlling youtube "philosophers"
>better dismiss it as "too mainstream"
Fuck off retard

>>88280735
If it doesn't happen now, I doubt it ever will.

The populist right is only appealing to whites with no college education.

More people are going to college, and whites are shrinking as a percentage of population.

>>88280722
>liberalism is dying

This is noice

>alt-right and progressivism is on the rise

This is awful

>tfw no conservative catholic paradise

>>88280737
Trump has done a lot of damage to the republican party. With his policies, but also just the general way he's been playing the game.

You can go two ways with that. There's this idea that the damage he's done has been a sort of creative destruction, and in the end the reverberations made by Trump's campaign will be adopted by the general flow of the next election.

Or, the republican party will rebuild and make sure somebody like Trump can never exist again.

Also, to argue that the populist right is simply ignorant whites is not only inaccurate, but also it's besides the point.

>>88280738
Catholicism is pretty dead in the developed world, now that everyone is aware of how hideously corrupt they are.

Well, there's always shithole countries.

>>88280722
The definition of liberal has changed in America, it means more progressive than progressives.
Neolibs are a thing

>>88280739
>to argue that the populist right is simply ignorant whites is not only inaccurate

It literally is though.

Black, Hispanic, and Asian voters don't trust the GOP in general, and they especially don't trust Trump.

Each additional layer of college education makes a person more likely to vote Democrat, and within the GOP, Trump has the least educated base of any of the factions.

>>88280725
>cite two of the most widely known entry level political philosophers

pretty sure that was the entire point; that /pol/ and alt-right memers have never read even two of the most widely known entry level political philosophers, which is why they're delusional echo chamber shitters in the first place.

>>88280742
Okay, so assuming the overwhelming uneducated whiteness of the demographic is true, you're not arguing my second point. Why is that relevant?

Uneducated white people aren't going to go anywhere. It's another fault of liberalism that likes to pretend that the whole swathe of land between New York and California doesn't exist, and then act all indignant and surprised when someone like Donald Trump comes along and finds a comparatively large amount of success (at least in the primary).

>>88280722
>traditional liberal positions like individual rights and free trade.
In todays politics that means Right to me and not what we com to know as Liberalism.

Liberalism to me in it's simplest form is restricting speech, Gun ownership and homogeneity.

>>88280732
>The vast majority of Trump's base is middle-aged or old.

True

>Young people are more liberal than ever. The alt-right thing is nothing more than a boogeyman to scare progressives.

I agree with the idea that the alt-right is mostly a 4chan meme and that they have very little sway in the real world, and that the young have always been liberal-leaning, but if anything I'd wager there are less self-identifying liberal young people than ever due to backlash against tumblr sjw-ism and third-wave feminism.

moderate Independents among young people are probably the largest growing force in American politics.

>>88280744
>Uneducated white people aren't going to go anywhere

Well, they're going to decline as a percentage of the electorate.

Over the next 30 years, Hispanics are going to go from 10% of the US population to 30%. Even if we totally stopped all incoming immigration tomorrow, they have higher birth rates, and immigrants are younger than natives.

There's also a surprisingly high amount of Asians getting in on H1B visas, and Asians went from leaning to GOP to leaning Dem.

And the percentage of people getting a college education has been going up. When the boomers start dying, the people replacing them are going to be Generation X and Y who are more likely to be educated and far less sympathetic to the GOP.

I honestly wonder if at some point in the 2020s or 2030s, the GOP will simply collapse the way the Whig party did in the 1850s.

>>88280747
>There's also a surprisingly high amount of Asians getting in on H1B visas

I don't see how this is relevant seeming as they can't vote.

>>88280748
I'm a dipshit.

I meant that the number of Asian citizens was increasing, not the number of non-immigrant residents.

A shitload of Asians are becoming citizens. For a while, they were growing faster than the Hispanics were.

>>88280744
>aren't going to go anywhere.
But the point is that they are. "Not going anywhere" in this analogy is "maintaining political relevance". But pure demographics are why their influence is only going to decline. It has been and it will continue. Or do you have some reason to believe that immigrants will stop coming and stop outbreeding whites once they're here?

>>88280722
not /his/

sage

>>88280736

Rawls and Nozick wrote their main works in the early 70s, do you really think that we are in the same political climate as we were in the late 60s when they were coming to those ideas ? And the issue isn't that they are academics, I would recommend someone like Macintyre personally, not some youtube "philosopher", he was ahead of his time when he wrote in the 80s, Rawls in contrast is outdated at this point. The issue is that you come off like a first year philosophy student who has read the most basic intro material and watches shitty news propaganda and think they are intellectually superior to others for it.

>>88280742
44% of Trump supporter's have a post secondary education, as opposed to 29% American's who do.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/donald-trump-supporters-are-better-educated-than-the-average-american--ZylKHlODwGW

>>88280743
17 year old kids who post frog memes aren't going to be well read. But allot of us guys who have been part of the "alt right" since 2010/2011 and have finished our undergraduate degrees, and are even going on the Masters and PHD's in many cases, certainly have read Nozick and Rawls and allot more than them. And there are allot more of us than you probably realize. Though I know I don't post on /pol/ so maybe we are a whole different breed all together.

>>88280742
>Each layer of college makes a person more likely to vote democrat
Nice ass facts you just pulled out there

>>88280722
>liberalism
>alt-right
>progressives
>individual rights
>free trade
sure is spooky in here

>>88280741
Neolibs aren't liberal except in the Marxist sense.

>>88280753
Nice """refutation""" you just pulled out there.

>>88280722

This isn't /pol/ there isn't anything to do with history or humanities in this thread.

>>88280755

AKA reported.

>>88280723
Alt-right is just paleoconservative.

>>88280722
Capitalism is showing its cracks

>>88280747
How is it going to matter? I'd wager a lot of young folk these days see both parties as hideously unsympathetic and corrupt. Look at what happened with Bernie and the DNC, and how Hillary's Wallstreet ties are downright stereotypically Republican.

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>all flags are unknown
>this is on the front page even though it was created ages ago and I have it sorted by dates
What is this sorcery

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Why are all flegs unknows?

IM FREAKING THE FUCK OUT POL

R-rare?

Lmao at all you faggots talking about /pol/ like you know shit. Fucking heretical.

>>88280723
Found the first year philo student

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>>88280923
>>88280828
Got moved from another board, newfags.

>>88280946
Calm down, it was moved here from a board without flags
How new are most people here?

>>88280946
>>88281034
thread got moved from another board newfags.
>>88280923
Filtered.

>>88281034
Did you do this loo witch?


ANSWER ME!!

>>88280828
What have you done?

>>88281081
>>88281042
When in the actual fuck did mods start doing their fucking jobs correctly?
All they do is delete and ban the OP for it being off topic.

>>88280722
Progressives are liberals in the US. There is no classical liberalism anymore.

>>88281137
Yet leave up blatantly obvious shill threads.

>>88280722

they learned that having a near encyclopedic knowledge and narrow interpretation of the constitution and pondering autistic political conundrums like who pays for potholes doesn't make for a good political movement.

>>88280722
yes
if regressive leftists or people like us don't kill liberalism, muslims will

>>88280757

Paleos: muh constitution, muh flag, muh gold standard, and other boring, retarded shit that no-one cares about

>>88280722
liberalism has now become the status quo, which means that the younger generation will shift to the opposite side.

>>88280722

Progressives are definitely getting sick of both corporate-globalism/neoliberalism and SJWs.

>>88280722

wh...where are you posting from OP?

are you Kek?

>>88280723

A large portion of alt-right or the "original" altright are a bunch of tards who hate democracy and want a monarchy. The rest would probably make Trump their emperor.

Also this is goddamn fucking stupid.
The alt right is more to the left than either party in some aspects.

The pendulum is swinging and its swinging hard there aren't any one position people agree with the only thing that they all agree on is the fact that they are quickly realizing how shitty the system is and they are very pissed.

>>88280722
>alt-right
edgelord detected!

>>88281795
>pendulum is swinging and its swinging hard
im pretty sure you have no idea wtf you are talking about...you realize trump isnt a real conservative right? ...right?

>>88282250
This is why I fucking said the alt right is more left than either party in some aspects you goddamn fucking retard.

Conservatives and democrats have both been leaning towards the right recently, the only reason Clinton is even somewhat left was because she was forced to adopt all of Bernies leftist positions.

The pendulum is swinging in opposition to it.

>>88282393
>Conservatives and democrats have both been leaning towards the right recently
stfu nigga you high

>>88282520
Its true though.
>calling clinton a leftist
Nigga you are retarded, she is far from it.

If you don't realize the pendulum swinging to the point that Evangelical christians supported Trump a 3 time divorce rich billionaire who is blatantly a non christian to that of El Rato Cruz than you are very ignorant of what is occurring.

>>88280923
filtered

>be a liberal sandnigger
>redpill myself
>start slowly redpilling liberal sandnigger buddy
>he use to watch TYT all the time but now cant stand 10 seconds of Cenk
>we shit talk migrants, Germany, Sweden and Canada
>he's rooting for Trump
>he helped redpill another liberal sandnigger

Progressives may be the mainstream left now but that just makes it easier to redpill people when you can point to the the leaders

>>88280722
Traditional liberalism will never die. It pisses me off that people associate liberalism with sjws, feminists and degenerates. They have sort of high jacked the ideology. And yes that facet of it will die, although it may do a shit load more damage first.

>>88280722
There is no such thing as "Alt-Right". The very people who are labeled as the "Alt-Right" are classical liberals.

The alt right is a literal meme

>>88280722
>The alt right
When will this meme die?

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>>88280747
The big problem with the GOP is they keep for using on issues that really aren't relevant yet are enough to turn people away.
ie Abortion really isn't something that should be focused on in 2 party system, especially since an over whelming amount of people may or may not agree with it, but are decidedly again dictating what others should do, so ultimately pro choice.

The GOP needs to refocus on the pressing issues (immigration and economics) and drop the other shit.

>>88282520
Globalism is traditionally a very right wing thing.

Trump and the alt right have come about because basically both the left and right are pro globalism but for different (and the same) reasons, and people feel like there's no other option