How do you cure transgenderism

>>71724055
Suicide or anti-psychotics

>>71724133
Fpbp kill yourself faggot

>>71724133
I've been looking into Pimezide a drug said to cure gender dysphoria

>>71724055
Pray anon.
Ask God what He wants you to do and do it.
That and bite the bullet and keep going.
You've got this. Don't fall to degeneracy.

>>71724133
>>71724201
I agree with these psychopaths. You should kill yourself because your existence makes me uncomfortable.

>>71724265
Look int this. If the doctor won't give it to you, go to a different doctor but don't tell them about being trans, convince him instead that you're schizophrenic or something. Shouldn't be hard because you don't have to lie that much. Just say like you feel like clawing your skin (dick & balls) off and that you feel like you're trapped in a stranger's body.

the box can't be closed so um, just do it fag,

if you do it right -and if you're young enough, or not totally fucked by T - you will be happier

>>71724324
I've been to church many times. It helps a lot of days.

I ask him why I have these thoughts. Why I can't be normal. Why these demons plague me.

In my weakest moments I don't feel like myself. I feel like I'm being puppeted by someone else. Outside influences and leftist rhetoric.

>>71724055

Do you live in a city, a crowded one at that?

>>71724393
My outward appearance is one that wouldn't make you uncomfortable.

I am repressed. Therefore I look like a regular healthy man.


If I can fix the mind. All will be well.

>>71724265
Try everything before you invert benis, anything is better than a permanent physical change.
There's a line of thinking that gender dysphoria just being a severe case of body dysmorphia, and the operation just makes it worse, leading to these really high suicide rates among trans people.

Realize that transsexuality isn't real

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>>71724055
I don't understand transgender people. I'm a man but I couldn't give a fuck If I was a woman, I'd like to have tits and vagina because they are nice but I also like having a penis. Who the fuck cares though? Literally irrelevant. So what's really the matter with these people?

It's no meme, senpai. A feminine penis is soft, small, and cute. But the thing you notice most is how non-threatening and friendly it is. Every time it rises in greeting because it's happy to see you despite it not even having the vigor to go up the whole way anymore always puts a smile on your face. That earnest joy and pleasure it shows when you're around lets you know the girl really is in to you, too. With how lovable and inviting it is, you'll find that it quickly becomes your best friend in the whole world.

But even now, you don't get it. You have to experience feminine penis for yourself to understand vagina can't compare.

>>71724666
>those digits
>that whole post
I always knew the feminine penis meme was a work of Satan

>>71724055
Live how you would like to live, promise not to have children so your degeneracy doesn't get passed to the next generation. Eventually the weak will die out if we allow natural selection to take its course.

>>71724055
>obsessed with homos
>guys were winning a war against the cruel tyrants theyre making us gay
face it youre just gay its not a conspiracy

>>71724394
Just look up the clinical characteristics which need to be present for a diagnosis, if you display enough you'll be diagnosed

>>71724133
>>71724201
this, die a man. Its the only honorable think you can do

>>71724055

You need to realize that sexuality is not who you are. The problem with those mentally-ill transgender poligendered freaks is that they think that their identity is built onyl around their sexuality. Maybe your favorite color is red, you don't like apples and you like to pretend being a woman but that doesn't mean that you are a TRANSGENDER just like you're not a REDDER or an ANTI-APPLER. Stop making such a big deal out of your sexuality, it's the first step for sanity.

Then accept who you are both physically and mentally and get the fuck on with your life.

>>71724055
Do it. Take those hormones. The world needs more delicious boi pucci. More holes for real men like me to fuck.

>>71724926
good post

/pol/ is full of faggots who embrace an ideology that makes them social pariahs. literally, they bitch about how awful women/society/niggers/whatever are to them and then become a person even more isolated and lonely than they were before. the lives of most people on this board - at least the ones who serious post - are misery incarnate.

they will all die alone and unloved.

do not trust them with anything. their opinions are trash, and a simple compensatory effect of having failed at life.

being trans sucks, congratulations, you drew a really short straw in life. but it can be dealt with, and it can be dealt with in a way such that you have a chance at a normal life. it's incredibly ymmv, but maybe it's worth at least considering. you might end up happier than the rest of the freakshows on here.

>>71724055
A good smack and homeschooling.

>>71724055
It only works if you can afford surgery, to dispose of your dick and make your face more feminine.
I have no idea whether its possible to change male's neck (you know what I mean)
So, you are not gonna be a girl anyway. Stop being a faggot and join military. They will fix you.
(If fact, you dont even have to be full time soldier, army reserve train faggots like you all the time, and even handicapped or a girl would fit it)

>>71725031
Feed his delusions some more, anon. Whatever you do, don't listen to this faggot. If you do, you will have a greater than 60% of committing suicide when you find out that what you thought you wanted wasn't what you wanted at all.

>>71725068
>Just look at me
You won't fool me with that filename
Post feminine penis anyway

>>71724055
Tie a rope around your neck and hang yourself

>>71725068
I certainly could use your mouth. Still, that dick and male's voice would ruin whole impression.

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>>71725282
Stop.

>>71725201

hate to tell you, but he has a massive chance of killing himself regardless. transitioning may not save him, but at least it has a chance to.

doing nothing is tantamount to simply killing himself, because it renders the act an inevitability.

>>71724055
Get some anti psychotics prescribed.

>>71724926
I agree with this anon, but I don't believe that over-identifying with sexuality is the main cause, or the thing we need to treat.

It seems to me more like a symptom of other things. What is causing the human animal to be so disrupted that their biological instincts are signaling them backwards, to self-extinction?

They have broken identities, so they have to capitalize upon their base instincts. What's more, they are constantly inculcated -SEX PROPOGANDA, the GMO food, the television, "school"? It is as simple to manipulate a population towards higher things as it is to degrade them to a lower standard of life.
We chemically castrated a population, and now we have a lot of confused people, suffering on account of mental illness. They can't just "grow up" because they are broken and degenerate.

>>71725395
Could you post your face with a date stamp?

stop watching those mindwarping hypno sissy videos
quit porn is optional
sleep alot
deadlift, bench press, squats, chin ups, cardio

this helps me to stop being a faggot

>>71725471

Oh yea this is actually something I think about but I would say it's because of the breakdown of traditional family values. You are saying that people have broken identities, and I think that's why. There's no longer a solid family structure where your father takes you hunting or whatever and shows you what life is really about and talks some sense into you. But I'm not sure if I fully understand that phenomenon, I'm not against individualism but I think that our sense of purpose is getting more and more deconstructed with each passing generation so it makes sense what you say about people capitalizing on their instincts and sexuality, but it's pretty easy to rationally get over it imo

>>71725841
The gym is the only place where I can escape these fears. I also don't fap.

But it still plagues me every day

Get psychiatric help, Maybe start working out and stop with things that helps you delve into this degeneracy.

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Live someplace rural, where gender isn't something you're constantly aware of. And get off the fucking internet.

t. the Unabomber

>>71726199
I don't trust doctors. They all say "transition transition transition"

>>71724055
Watch this I think it may help you.
https://m.youtube.com/?client=mv-google

>>71726189
>I don't fap
Fapping literally encourages your body to produce testosterone bro.

>>71725949
>>71725471

idiots, the both of you.

op, you're going to be dead in sixty or seventy years. maybe, more. maybe, less. as with about ninety-eight percent of the world's population, nothing you do will ever make a real impact. you are irrelevant, as is your life. the best, and in my opinion, only way to live is to try and find happiness, and then love. but you will never find the latter before the former.

ideology, politics, and ultimately everything else is garbage. love is the only thing that matters. the faggots on here will say otherwise, because deep down, they want everyone else to be as miserable and empty as they are.

figure out what will make you happy, and do it. because it's the only shot you have at finding love in this brief lifetime. and that's about the only worthwhile part of our silly little existence.

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This goes against what modern science wants us to believe. But... I myself was in your situation and got out of it... By accepting myself, instead of trying to change all the time.

I indulged in ftm, was into pegging men and generally led a very harmful existence. My body suffered and I constantly felt numb and unhappy when not in drag.

At the end of it all, I too was considering taking hormones... Now. In retrospective it was because I felt hopeless as a woman, especially because being a woman meant: faking weakness, a focus on looks and acting girlish to appear attractive...

Much like I imagine you don't enjoy feeling like you have to be macho and in control of your emotions all the time.

I realised one of my major issues was that the approved image of what being a woman is, seemed like faking it too.

What I had to realise is that I had to accept myself. Had to step of pretending anything, had to stop making womanhood a chore.

Science is starting to back these things up...Transgender people that undergo psychotherapy and find self approval have way lover suicide rates than ones that undergo surgery.

You don't really want to be a woman... You just want to escape the perceived responsibility of being a man.

And most of that is something media put on you.

>>71726493
Fapping makes the feelings worse and makes me weaker in terms of mental strength.

>>71726520
I believe in God so suicide and transition will both land me in hell

The iron jew meme needs to leave.

Moderate exercise keeps you healthy and aware and literally makes you live longer. Someone juicing on tren or something would be a better image, that shit's degenerate.

>>71726713

god..huh....

i'm sorry you are burdened by that. i wish i could say something that would help you anon.

but please, don't look for help here. you'll only bring yourself more pain.

>>71724811
The problem is not genetic, it's the Xenestrogens in the environment.

>>71726493
This.
Idiots think that by not fapping it will increase, for some reason.
I bet it was the kikes telling them nofap was a good idea

>>71726898

Not just Xenestrogens. If you live in a crowded city it triggers the same mechanism for overpopulation most mammals with a group mentality have which will make reproduction less likely for part of the individuals so the species survives the overpopulation period. That lack of reproductive drive leads to homosexuality or worse.

>>71724055
Take steroids and work out they're legal here.

simple you out transgender by claiming you are a trans female then start going in women bathrooms maybe when women start feeling unsafe with men in their bathrooms something may change

>>71724055
Go to russia, get beaten few times ull manly up eventually

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>>71724265
>>71724394
>>71724643

You guys are retarded. Have you actually read the full case study? It's not a research paper. It's a sample size of ONE individual from 1995 who had a learning disability, schizophrenia, sexual paraphilia, and described feeling "mildly gender dysphoric".

Not a baseline to measure transpeople, not a reputable sample size, not a reputable study.

>>71724055
START LIFTING NOW

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>>71724643

>leading to these really high suicide rates

Aggregate data illustrates transitioning IS effective. Here are a few examples. Suicide rate is a one-dimensional measurement that doesn't include variable drivers like discrimination, sexual assault/battery victimhood, housing or work discrimination. AND, the most successful trannies don't engage in these studies or suicide surveys because they just blend in and go stealth. The numbers are shifted globally.

Literally the only study that exists that transpeople have elevated suicide rates post-genital surgery (which btw only 30% of transwomen have, 2-5% of transmen so around 10% of the total trans community) is Cecilia Dhjene's. Her work went from 1979-2001.

It was split into two groups (1979-1989 and the 1989-2001). The study only included FtM transgender people that get surgery (33% of the transpopulation). Only the first cohort had elevated suicide rates post-transition. The second cohort had substantially lower rates (1989-2001). The majority of research as data aggregate shows the reverse of what you claim.

>Heylans et al., 2014: "A difference in SCL-90 [a test of distress, anxiety, and hostility] overall psychoneurotic distress was observed at the different points of assessments (P = 0.003), with the most prominent decrease occurring after the initiation of hormone therapy (P < 0.001)...Furthermore, the SCL-90 scores resembled those of a general population after hormone therapy was initiated."

de Vries, et al., 2014 studied 55 trans teens from the onset of treatment in their early teenage years through a follow-up an average of 7 years later. They found no negative outcomes, no regrets, and in fact their group was slightly mentally healthier than controls.

>>71724643

>Colizzi et al., 2013: "At enrollment, transsexuals reported elevated CAR ['cortisol awakening response', a physiological measure of stress]; their values were out of normal. They expressed higher perceived stress and more attachment insecurity, with respect to normative sample data. When treated with hormone therapy [at followup, 1 year after beginning HRT], transsexuals reported significantly lower CAR (P < 0.001), falling within the normal range for cortisol levels. Treated transsexuals showed also lower perceived stress (P < 0.001), with levels similar to normative samples."

>Gomez-Gil et al., 2012: "SADS, HAD-A, and HAD-Depression (HAD-D) mean scores [these are tests of depression and anxiety] were significantly higher among patients who had not begun cross-sex hormonal treatment compared with patients in hormonal treatment (F=4.362, p=.038; F=14.589, p=.001; F=9.523, p=.002 respectively). Similarly, current symptoms of anxiety and depression were present in a significantly higher percentage of untreated patients than in treated patients (61% vs. 33% and 31% vs. 8% respectively)."

>Lawrence, 2003 surveyed post-op trans folk: "Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives. None reported outright regret and only a few expressed even occasional regret."

>

>>71727552
what you say is, that we could potentially in the future see what kids might turn out to be transgender, and have them aborted?

>>71724643

>Here is a broad survey conducted in the UK. Unlike the previous links, it's not peer-reviewed, but the large sample size provides some corroboration of the above results. In particular, we have: (Page 15): "Stage of transition had a substantial impact upon life satisfaction within the sample. 70% of the participants stated that they were more satisfied with their lives since transition, compared to 2% who were less satisfied (N=671)" (Page 50): " Most participants who had transitioned felt that their mental health was better after doing so (74%), compared to only 5% who felt it was worse (N=353)." (Page 55): "For participants who had transitioned, this had led to changes in their self-harming. 63% felt that they harmed themselves more before they transitioned, with only 3% harming themselves more after transition (N=206)." (Page 59): "Suicidal ideation and actual attempts reduced after transition, with 63% thinking about or attempting suicide more before they transitioned and only 3% thinking about or attempting suicide more post-transition. 7% found that this increased during transition, which has implications for the support provided to those undergoing these processes (N=316)."

The historical fact of gender variance always existing, biological truth of the sexual dimorphic brain regions being incongruent with birth sex, and empirical psychological improvement. It's irrational to try and deny transpeople the right to exist freely and transition if desired.

It's called freedom, you fucking faggot.

>>71727552
tranny detected

>>71726520

so you are basically encouraging him to mutilate himself. I'm sure that will make him very happy. It's not like the majority of trans kill themselves after undergoing surgery or anything. So helpful.

>>71727818

Hah, it would be hard to scan an embryo brain but yeah you potentially could:

>Yokota, Y. et al “Callosal Shapes at the Midsagittal Plane: MRI Differences of Normal Males, Normal Females, and GID”. An MRI study of 22 transwomen and 28 transmen examined the shape of the corpus callosum in the brain at a specific cross-sectional plane, and compared this shape with that observed in 211 XY karyotype males and 211 XX karyotype females. Their results demonstrated that not only could the sex of the patient be determined with 74% accuracy from the MRI picture, but the shapes of the brains in the transsexuals strongly reflected their gender, and not their biological sex.

By the end of their research these guys could gender within 74% accuracy, normal males, females, transwomen, and transmen.

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>>71727854

Nope. Just a freedom loving, empirically minded white male. Literally biology, history, and sociologically illustrate the opposite of what you claim but you are biased by

>hurr dur muh morals and degenecery

>>71727898

the majority thing is a massive myth and originated from a small number of primitive surgieres down john hopkin's a long fucking time ago. the overwhelming amount of date collected elsewhere heavily contradicts this statistic.

op should get SRS if he wants SRS. if op wants feminine girl penis, he should get feminine girl penis. it's his body to live in, and he should do whatever makes him comfortable.

>>71727969

pimozide* faggot: >>71727552

>>71727626
>>71727672
>>71727825
>Unironically getting triggered
I'd tell you to kill yourself but there's a 40% chance you will anyway

>>71724055
Therapy, drugs. Not drugs to alter you permanently, but to stabilize your mood.

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>>71728344

>giving real peer reviewed, well controlled, clean methodology research with actual empirical numbers is considered triggered.

kek

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>>71728420
>Believing the Scientific Jew
Good Goyim

>>71724055
obvious martyrism and you are bound to never get any attention you want with it

knowing your own feelings, allowing such things as hatred and anger merge. think about the past, blame people for their failures.

people end up killing themselves or kill others when they try to suppress any of their feelings. it feels like you do it for the others sake, when in reality you are unknowingly doing harm to them. stop it. you need to look at yourself first, fuck others, you do not need their approval on any level.

eat right, work out. those are basics you need, start from home if you dont feel like going to the gym. this all is up to you

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>>71724055

give them a bit of the old fashioned cure

trump for president

>>71726600
Pretty much this.

Cut their dicks off or just wait until they do it themselves.

>>71724055
There's nothing wrong with you, leave this place.

>>71728821
That's the problem. I lift like crazy and these feelings still won't go away.


I don't drink. I don't so drugs. I don't eat shit.

My T levels are high and I should be happy.

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>>71729539

There is nothing wrong with you. Live your life how you want. If you feel you will be happier if you transition, then transition. If not, then don't. It's pretty simple.

>>71728979
No matter what, do not transition.

>>71727626
>Using data literally from a fucking Pro-LGBT source
It's like going to stormfront for information.

>>71728821
addition to that, you can appreciate human aesthetics, without the need to change yourself. wavering mind isnt something uncommon, but you need to really study yourself instead of changing yourself. you would be changing yourself by changing your appearance, you would be even more clueless. there is no need for such masturbation, because any good feeling it gives to you is only temporary. its the trick that brings people to actual selfdestructive ways.

never trust those who tell you what you should do when their tone is on light levels, basically they keep their noses up, believing they are good person and they push you to do something they are told is ok by the tv(kikes) without actually thinking what it leads to for the person they are giving advice to. in reality they too are extremetly afraid deep down, they cannot handle the real world, how could they then give any advice to anyone? their only right answer for you would be simple: i dont know. instead of trying to help, they should admit they cannot do it.

but thats human nature to you right now. they mean good but they do it for their own pleasure instead really look into what is right and what is wrong. it takes time to figure things out and i m sure they do not have it. good isnt always good, bad isnt always bad

>>71729539

Just go out of the city for a few weeks.

>>71729539
Learn to accept yourself for the man you'll always be.

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>>71729696

Kek. that picture was just a placeholder image. All of the studies I posted are not from pro-LGBT journals or clinics.

>>71727672
>>71727825
>>71727626

Very typical to just look at 1/10 things I posted and disregard the rest. It's about aggregate you anti-intellectual cunt.

>>71724055
start eating foods that make you produce more test. the precursor to testosterone is cholesterol. eat like a stick of full fat butter and 12 eggs a day and start lifting.

t. ex beta cuck

>>71729769
That's what I want. I'm proud of all my achievements as a man.

I want to crush this mental illness like a bug . It makes me angry I feel this way.

>>71724055
I wish you strength anon.

Just go see a doc, tell him about your condition, explain to him that you feel uncomfortable. Tell them that you wish to undergo therapeutic counseling.
It might cost you, depending on the healthcare of your nation.

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>>71730126
I'm not dismissing your entire collection, I've read it.
From what it is collectively saying, they are mentally female overall.
But I'm homosexual, by the same logic I'd have the same temptations and bodily issues, as from what I've heard from people who support these argument, homosexuals also have female-like white matter.

But this isn't consist with my mental state, love for body or love for other men. I actually came out quite tall compared to other australians as well as endowed. I don't think i have a shortage of testerone whatsoever. So that's why I'm inclined to have disbelief in these studies.

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>>71729539
then let me tell you little secret about humans. every person basics go like this:

1. every person seeks pleasure. let me give example of one: someone might take pleasure from typing advice to others for free. for him something like food that tastes good means nothing compared to the time he uses looking for answers of life. someone might say he is selfless for doing so. no, absolutely not, he isnt helping you for your gain, he is doing it for his own pleasure. he appears to be selfless, but in reality he is selfish.

allow yourself to see yourself as selfish person, in everything you do. anything you try help others with, you are actually doing it for your own gain.

2. every person dislikes unpleasant things. someone might hurt your feelings, thus you try to avoid it. unpleasant thing happened in the past? you try to ignore it. when you do these tactics you also learn to use them unknowingly. you without thinking are trying to forget things that had even little bit of bad tone in those memories.

rather than being afraid of bad possibilites, allow them to happen. seek failure, allow yourself to be hit physically or mentally. and when you are hit down and feel like not continuing, like that this stupid fin faggot gave you the stupidest advice ever, stand up and do it again. the fact of the matter is, failure teaches person far more than success. instead of disliking failure, get addicted to it. allow yourself to suffer, do not change your gender or look, because it will lead you to path of only pleasure seeking. you should rather find ways to enjoy the suffering of the mind. you could enjoy the suffering you are going through right now

they say finns are depressed and miserable, but i know that there is more dark and real to human nature in accepting suffering permamently, that might come to finn more naturally

>>71724055
Take fucking testosterone dumbass.
Kicks the gay right out faggot.

>>71730888

I haven't heard about lower white matter counts for gay males. Got any sources?

>LeVay S. 1991 A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. Science. 253:1034–1037.

>Swaab DF, Hofman MA. 1990 An enlarged suprachiasmatic nucleus in homosexual men. Brain Res. 537:141–148

Regardless, transgender people have pretty substantial incogruent dimorphism, tremendously more noticeable than gay vs heterosexual. I happen to think sexuality and gender are only slightly connected.

>For something as complex as sexual orientation, it's no surprise that everything from genes to gender to environment may play a role in ultimately determining your perfect partner.

>>71731268
I might be reading this incorrectly, but
>Swaab DF, Hofman MA. 1990 An enlarged suprachiasmatic nucleus in homosexual men. Brain Res. 537:141–148
Does this practically say that homosexuals are more intelligent?

>LeVay S. 1991 A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men. Science. 253:1034–1037.

I'm not entirely sure if I have different imuplses, but I've never been pointed as a faggot by others. Most people assume I'm straight.

Which is good, straights have shit taste but I'd rather be identified as a man then a faggot.

>>71724055

Keep your mind and body healthy and strong on your own terms.

DO NOT GO TO A SHRINK. He'll have you bathe your brain in some chemical so pharma kikes can get even more rich.

You don't need any substance to have a meaningful life. Go hiking, find meaningful pass times, spend time with friends and family, do whatever it takes but do not get hooked on the anti-depression jew.

Man up and stop being such a crybaby and you'll be fine OP.

>>71731268
Besides that, no I wouldn't say I was rife with sources. I'm just refering to the times I've been told by liberals I think like a female. Liberals are ironically the most sexist, racist, bigoted people on this planet. They care so much they become self-righteous about it.

This is why I'd rather hang out with fucking bikers then a bunch of narcissistic hippies.

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>>71727626
Everything is just fine.

When did transgender shit actually become the thing, and who made in a real thing?

>>71731590

Intelligence is poorly defined.

Being gay, straight, transgender, bi, whatever doesn't define WHO you are or what kind of person you are. You can be gay and not be flamboyant.


>>71731769

I'm not playing politics though right now. I don't care about conservative or liberal.

> I've been told by liberals I think like a female

"Youve been told" is not a credible, empirical source. I have given you credible empirical sources. Anecdotal psuedoscience means nothing.

See this: >>71727552

>>71732542
My reply to you literally said
>But I'm homosexual, by the same logic I'd have the same temptations and bodily issues, as from what I've heard from people who support these argument, homosexuals also have female-like white matter.

So, I wasn't really criticizing or going around screaming you are wrong, I just said I'm inclined to disbelieve these studies.

>Pseudosciene
Jesus, someone's mad.
Christ, I'm running into a lot of self-centred nutjobs as of late.

>Being gay, straight, transgender, bi, whatever doesn't define WHO you are or what kind of person you are. You can be gay and not be flamboyant.
Are you paying attention?

>>71724055
The official treatment for your disease is transitioning.
>but surely /pol/ knows better.

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>>71733280

Prayer

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>>71735259
>mentally ill people have existed for a long time
>therefore they aren't mentally ill

>>71733280
official treatment is death, actually

>>71726433
they get bux for doing it

>>71727626
>96% answered that their sense of wellbeing improved

the other 4% just haven't killed themselves yet

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>>71735438

Try this instead..
>>71727552

Some of these included samples post-HRT but the majority of the more modern ones do not. Transgender people have a clear medical and genetic connection to their feelings, their feelings are rooted in reality, they show psychological and physical health benefits post transition, and they have existed in every culture throughout history,. To deny them this right and the right to exist is literally irrational. Here is a final study for you.

>Combining data from our independent findings with those from past research, 13 of 39 male MZ twin pairs (33.3%) were found to be concordant for transsexual identity and eight of 25 (22.8%) female MZ twins were found concordant. In comparison, concordance between either male or female DZ twins was low or zero (1/38 = 2.6%; Table 5).

>Notably among our responding twins were three sets who had been reared apart and were concordant in transitioning. One was a male set within which the brothers were separated at birth, another was a set of males separated at age 4, and the third was a female pair separated at 14. Each had independently and unknowingly transitioned and found out about each other’s switch as adults after the gender shift.

This part is key. Identical twins raised APART in different environments had a spiked statistical chance of both being trans. Twins with different DNA base did not have any statistically higher chance of both being trans.

>>71735650
96% is a higher success treatment rate than the majority of most medicines.

>>71735699
41% attempted suicide rate is a little bigger than a 4.6% national average

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>>71724055
Take a healthy dose of psychedelics, 5 grams of dried mushrooms, 3 large tokes of DMT, or an ayahuasca ceremony. Look into your consciousness and choose the path that is best for you.
I am not claiming it will cure you or anything, but I wouldn't make any drastic decisions without consulting your inner dimensions.

I still don't get it
>gender is a social construct
>femininity is
>masculinity is
>yet there is a mental illness based on those things

>>71736077
it's called progress

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>>71736030
I don't take drugs. Nor do I have the contacts to get them.

Drink, smoking and weed I have tried. But I've haven't had any of them for years.

>>71724055
>convince me not to MtF
You're a moron, I'm not going to convince you shit.

Remember to cut off your balls so you can't have retard babies.

>>71724055
Just go with it and transition. Don't listen to what /pol/ memes tell you, do what you feel is best for you.
I was a lazy fuck before I transitioned, now im a grill and straight A student at college with two part-time jobs and actual friends. If I spent my time listening to "lol le tarns is degnaracy mentaly ill xDD cutting le dik of" shitposters on /pol/ I would've still been a lazy depressed fuck.
I'm not saying you *should* transition but at least weigh your choices impartially before listening to everything /pol/ tells you like a good little goy.

>>71736420

Anon I will ask once more, do you live in a city, a crowded one at that?

>>71736030
>I wouldn't make any drastic decisions without consulting your inner dimensions
Can you not browse /pol/ while consulting yours, pothead?

>>71736511
Got any proof you actually transitioned?

>>71724265
Pimezide will absolutely fuck your head if your not severely autistic.

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>>71735849

You are getting 41% from this survey:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150213054306/http://transequality.org/PDFs/NCTE_Suicide_Prevention.pdf

>Our study asked if the respondent had ever attempted suicide while most comparable statistics refer to suicide attempts within the last year and so are difficult to compare.

Their control is shit and they can't even measure their research against others. They don't make a distinction between age (which is a huge deal), potential comorbidity before hand, etc. It doesn't factor in discrimination, sexual assault/battery victimhood, or family support. Trannies in supportive environments statistically do just as well as normal people.

In your study they do mention that transgender people with wealth have rates that are parallel with average white males.

Further, the most successful and passing transgender people avoid these surveys and research studies because they blend in and don't make their voice heard about trans issues. Which skews the data towards more non-passing or healthy transgender people.

>>71726433
Because that's how doctors earn their pay. Its +1 surgery, referral and treatment so they can feel important and +$$$$$$ to pay for their boat.

Doctors love fake diseases with easy cures.

>>71724394
>feel like clawing your skin (dick & balls) off and that you feel like you're trapped in a stranger's body
"Fantastic! Doctor Schlomoberg has a tremendous surgical treatment for you"

>>71736531
Neither.

I live in quite a rural place. But can access the city with ease.

>>71726898
Its a birth defect, it would take liver destroying amounts of xenoestrogen to overpower testosterone.

>>71724055

Choose sides and go to War anon

>>71726433
See there's your problem. You don't trust qualified medical professionals but you *do* trust pol shitposters who pull completely fabricated statistics out their ass like >>71725201
The only real study regarding suicide rates for post-op transpeople indicates that their suicide rate is higher than the *GENERAL POPULATION* which is kind of like saying "people who used to have severe depression kill themselves more often than normal people". Why not trust the medical community instead of basement dwellers from /pol/ who apparently lose reading comprehension the moment they see a fact that doesn't support their agenda?

>>71736690
you're swinging down 5%; and you're still miles above normal.

and yes, numbers always get fudged;
but now you've already started moving the goalposts yourself.
>discrimination, sexual assault/battery victimhood, or family support

so now perhaps you want to filter that into any other suicide statistics?

who'd have thunk that that 4.6% all comes from people who are treated like literal dirt?
if you want to make that distinction, you only make yourself look worse.

I hate to break it to you.... but these people aren't wired safely; and letting them stay that way is only going to do damage.

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>>71736730
My ritual for sanity is the gym.

The natural release of endorphins and dopamine I get from running and lifting grant a few short hours of respite where I feel truly happy.

That's my coping mechanism and in those moments where I lift the bar up for one more rep.

Where my lungs feel ready to collapse. Where my legs ache. Where my head is ready to explode. Everything goes numb and it's feels like I've just injected the nectar of the gods into my bloodstream.

That's my reward. And my will to win

>>71736882

This is succinct.

The reality is evidence over the last 25 years has shown sexual dimorphism in the brain. In those exact areas of sexual dimorphism, transgender people are incongruent with their birth sex. Many of those areas control instinctual behaviors, endocrine connection, etc. It looks increasingly like transgender people have a physiological condition that creates dissonance between their mind and body. So a physical condition that puts pressure on the individual which results in a mental illness.

Further, transpeople have always existed and transition DOES benefit transpeople.

Those are the facts. It's irrational to try and deny transpeople the right to exist or transition.

>>71726493
actually it's the opposite, retard

>>71737282

You're claiming that God puts people in the wrong bodies. You're claiming that the cosmos make sistakes in relation to human hopes and despairs. The phsyical manifestations of God's creations cannot be ambiguous, ...

I am that I am

What *is* can only be interpreted by these feeble senses, what is, IS.

It is time

>>71724666

Russia I am disappoint

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>>71737679

Well God is an absolutely irrational, illogical, and improbable belief. So no wonder you don't support trannies. You don't put value in empirical evidence or critical thinking.

>The phsyical manifestations of God's creations cannot be ambiguous

What about intersex people that ARE literally ambiguous? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIRTrsabL_M

>>71724055
Take some testosterone. About 500mg/ml a week

>>71738222

fuck off and keep on eating shit

>>71737679
So if someone is born with terminal illness your logic is they shouldn't be cured because "god willed it"?
Hell, even if you think transpeople are "mentally ill" by your logic that would mean they'd have to be denied psychological treatment because "god willed them to be mentally ill"

>>71738222
Intersex people are born with a dick and a pussy. Trannies are mentally ill.

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>>71738348

>You think transpeople are delusional

>You believe in a Western God.

FUCKIN KEK

>>71738331
I had my levels checked. I'm at peak optimal levels for a man.

Taking any artificially would just give me acne

>>71724055
shotguns and flamethrowers

>>71738424

God wants nothing other than you be your *self*

You want strangers to support your distorted reality, ...

time to commit suicide

>>71724926
Very good point. Every failed relationship I've had was sexually oriented. My relationship with my wife has always been about more than that, surprise, it's been successful for 7 years. Not to mention, the sex is much better. We don't have any hangups or unrealistic demands/expectations about sex.

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>>71724666
Burn the heretic

>>71724055
https://youtu.be/aDAU3SPYFsA

There is a drug that helps. You have gender dysphoria. Work out, and get pussy, or stop being a pussy.

>>71724055
You don't. You make it easy to trans, then make sure suicide is an option.

>>71738457

Fuck you, if you were so confident of your conclusions you wouldn't be trying to argue me into submission to confirm your delusions.

I want to fight you in God's name.

>>71725031
You can't be happy living a lie, anon. The depression comes from being unprepared for the truth. Once you learn to cope with it, you can handle anything. I used to get so bummed coming to /pol/. Now I visit in moderation, and gain strength from all the truth seekers and speakers, on here.

>>71724527
Paul often spoke of a constant thorn in his side. This is your thorn.

All this is just a trial. You will either succeed as a better person, die, or worse.

>>71738464

I'm jelly of you anon, your physical credentials can't be denied your mental assertions can't be. You are being lashed now by the succubus, ...

go for a run

>>71724055
There are well-known drugs that cure gender dysphoria, but they aren't profitable for the medical industry. These would rather sell expensive hormone therapies and dick-chopping surgeries.

>>71738804

God is a little beta bitch sub bottom. I rip at his waist and grab his little tight asshole down onto my throbbing cock. I always cum inside of Jesus's little brown cunt.

Jesus likes when I bite the back of his neck while I bend him over and fuck him from behind.

>>71739050

You're talking about Pimozide: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

You are retarded. Have you actually read the full case study? It's not a research paper. It's a sample size of one individual from 1995 who had a learning disability, schizophrenia, sexual paraphilia, and described feeling "mildly gender dysphoric".

Not a baseline to measure transpeople, not a reputable sample size, not a reputable study.

>>71736882
>trust the medicine man, goy!
Sure, I'll trust the same people who recommend powerful opiates for aches and pains. Nice try shill, doctors are not infallible.

>>71738915
I will tell of an amazing moment I had when I was running and it become a thunderstorm

I was running up the hill and as a reached the peak. Lightning struck. That inspired me that I must never stop fighting

>>71724055
Call it what it is....mental illness.

>>71725031

/pol/ is full of faggots who WANT to be Men. In this aspect they at least know the difference. How much of your "" advice"" is designed to support your own compromises. Be a Man, know the difference and be assured,

... there is an afterlife.

What you do

*now*

echos through the aeons

>>71724055
Just know you will NEVER be a women. You can mutilate your poor ward appearance in a vain attempt to change reality but you will still be worse than the fakes whore, a chick with boob implants lip injections plastic surgery etc. You'll be a monster and want to kill yourself even more. Think of how truly unnatural it is. Less than 100 years ago there would be NOTHING you could do. Gays could always "naturally" be gay back to the dan of man, even some animals are gay but NONE are trans. Imagine you were raised in isolation and for the first time saw another human. You'd either be physically attracted to a male of female but you WOULDN'T wish you were the opposite of what you where as you'd have no perception of what that's be like. Look some people are megalomaniacs but we don't distort reality so they "fit in" is all about what IS not what you "feel"

>>71725841

All aspirant men should go to Russia, it's the front line.

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>>71739410

>Less than 100 years ago there would be NOTHING you could do.

Are you an idiot? Gender variant people have existed in every culture in every continent.

Native Americans, Greeks, Romans, Africans, Middle Easterns, European, South American, etc. Literally every place and society has had a group of people that transition genders. Some for cultural/societal reasons, others because that's what they felt was right.

Greek philosophers wrote about this over 2,000 years ago.

>>71726520

Spoken like a true Atheist. In a way I envy you.

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>>71736568
You've never been there, have you?

>>71739609
Learn to read , faggot.

He never wrote that they didn't exist.

>>71726898
>The problem is not genetic, it's the Xenestrogens in the environment.

This is what I've always thought. I'm a chemistry student in university and I often have to read papers about all the problems with EDCs/xenestrogens and then I hear all the psych students talking about gender related bs... and I'm like how the fuck does nobody see this obvious connection???

People always bring up how there were eunuchs in india that lived as women or something and it's been like this forever, but it really seems like there are just suddenly more of these people. It's got to be the chems.

>>71739609

>Literally Every Place

I don't know of it ever Existing anywhere East of the Alps.

There is no piece of Eastern European art or literature or history mentioning it. Maybe because only Westerners are faggots.

>>71724055
>How do you cure transgenderism
Invent transgumanism.

>>71729607

lmafao

dude, you're a fucking dog

>>71730344

go out and have a fucking fight.

trust to God that you have a wider purpose and won't get killed by a souless person with a knife.

4.profit

>>71724055
You can't. Either A. Start taking testosterone and reinforce your mind with hormones that line up with the ones your genitals should be pumping out or B. Take estrogen pills, cut your dick off, then kill yourself anyway because you realize that it was a bad idea to mutilate yourself

>>71738173
it's a pasta polan

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>>71724055
Doesn't anyone have any male hormones left?
Sorry I'm late, Mr. Y Chromosome!
I kinda, got hung up back there!
-Pilot, you armed?


I'm packin'!
-Who is that guy?
-Put him on speaker.
-Pilot, identify yourself


Testosterone, sir.
I told you I wouldn't let you down!
Just keep those girls off me
for a few more seconds, will ya?
Okay. Androgen Niner, Androgen Seven, take flanking positions. Look after this guy, Okay?
All right, boys.
Let's give Mr Testosterone some cover!
Gentlemen! Let's plough the road!
We'll draw them off and it's all yours!
Oh-ho! Look out! Comin' through!
I've got tone.
Eagle Twenty. Fox two

All right, you estrogenic assholes!
In the words of my generation,...
...up yours!
Come on, baby!
Come on, baby, come on!
Good luck, buddy.
Hello, girls! I'm baaaaaaack!

>>71739609
I am fully aware of that but they didn't take hormones and receive sex reassignment surgery. They loved in a culture that accommodated them naturally. Not "fix them up" so theycould bedegenerate traps. Op should move to Siam

>>71724055
OP if you honestly feel transgender, but pursuing transition would be against your moral values, a psychiatrist should support your choice to not transition. It's definitely not the "feel good" option, you're choosing to suffer. But what you want is the most important thing here and the suffering you may go through doesn't have to be permanent. Much like losing a loved one, you may need grievance counseling over losing this part of yourself.

Now if you decide that your insistance against transition is over beliefs that you don't actually agree with, then by all means transition. But that's an issue to work out with a shrink.

Just be calm and sincere about what you want. And if a psychiatrist doesn't support the path you want to take just find a new one.

I'm a transsexual myself, but transition is not a blanket solution. Humans are far too complex for one-size-fits-all treatment.

>>71736490

JESUS I envy Americans sometimes. Life is so fucking simple for them.

>>71740135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyOTaHRBTXc

>>71724055
Go outside. Go work. Get away from the Internet and places of degeneracy. Go to church.

Quick list of things to distract yourself.

>>71724055
Dear bro, be yourself but also know you are what you are.

There are estrogen mimickers being pumped into our systems for a long time now.

I am a 6.2 alpha male, built with muscles like a marine but I was born with breasts.

I do not consider myself male or female, I just am, and exist like a thing or a monster.

Know the programming, know the degeneracy but be yourself.

Just exist.

OP, do you like men?

>>71740153

actually many people in history cut off their own genitals.

If it were as humane as it is today I imagine the overwhelming majority of those people would have used every means to get as close to a womans body as possible.

There has been castration in Middle Eastern, Greek, Christian, and Latin American cultures. Really everywhere at some point.

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>>71739106

HAHAHAHhhahahahhahahHAHAHAH

>>71736030
>I am not claiming it will cure you or anything, but I wouldn't make any drastic decisions without consulting your inner dimensions.

good idea

>>71724055
I just jerked it. To that hot sexy trigger discipline.

>>71739328

faggots want NOTHING more than to have sex with a Man.

deny them and you will come to know *I am*. I would smile as you punched me anon, you are on the ragged edge of masculinity.

>>71724618
Get some therapy man. Not to tell you how your life went, but my guess is your childhood wasn't the best. Just remember, 4 out of 10 transgender people who have a sex change end up killing themselves. Don't join them.

>>71740445
It's a repressed homosexuality. I have never sought out or practiced it. And I'm normal to everyone who knows me.

Nor do I feed it with porn or any material that skews the brain into sexual deviancy.

Because I still view that as a shameful act. so long as I never give into the desire. I'm fine.

It's a degeneracy I've locked away and kept under control. It's essentially a non issue. Since I will never allow it to flourish.

>>71737282
It's not irrational to deny persons with gender dysphoria the right to exist or transition. You are on the wrong side of history if you support transitioning as a fix. A few decades from now people will look back at transitioning like we look at lobotomies today: a mistake in ethical medicine.

>>71724527
Trannies are awful.
Religious people are awful.
Why do you want to be both?

>>71740798
I don't have anything against you.

For all my strength. I've never felt the need to use it to defend myself. The situation never arises.

>>71740530
Some people just want to appear sexless. Removing your genitals, in whole or in part, can be seen as body modification without any identity or gender issues.

There was one case I read about where a man underwent genital surgery to appear as if he had a vagina. The reason he cited was that it was more convenient for his line of work as a professional dancer. I also saw an article on a man who had his penis surgically removed, but left his testicles intact. Dude could still ejaculate and there was pictures to prove it.

>>71740993
I only want to be one thing. A normal. Healthy. Non degenerate male.

>>71740865
Have you ever felt you might just be a gay man? You sound masculine and motivated, which are definitely traits that are more likely in men.

>>71724055
try testosterone
it should be a much shorter journey to "feel like" a man then it will be to "become" a women

>>71740999

Women like to think they can define a man, TO a Man. the reason War is a necessity is that only Men can inform another Man what it is to be Man, hence War.

Here we come to know God the *Father*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM2oJqyqsk4

>>71741120
The repeated lucid dreams/nightmares about being a women don't help. And the aspects of my homosexuality would be the absolute worst kind if I was weak and gave into them.

Regardless. I will never succumb to either being trans or being gay. Both get locked away and destroyed.

>>71724055
You psycho analyze yourself and figure out the reason for your obsession. For instance, I love TG and Futa. I actually wondered if maybe I was trans, just to play around with the idea and see where this line of thinking emerges in people.

I asked myself, "what about these fetishes appeal to me, where did they originate?" and I figured out that they go back to the game Chrono Trigger. The character Flea/Mayo. A male mage that used magic to make themselves appear as a girl. He still calls himself a man, even though his shape says otherwise. Why? Because in his mind, this was power. The female form has a type of power that I could never have and that makes it intriguing and the thought of being in that form, for even a moment is really hot.

After that, I no longer had thoughts of 'transitioning'. Because it wasn't a matter of gender, it was a power fantasy.

>>71741098

go to War

>>71740912
That's a terrible analogy.

And ethical psychology is about reducing suffering. If transition serves this purpose then it is an ethical practice. It may be replaced by other, more effective treatments in the future, but that doesn't discount what works now.

>>71724055
Gender is a social construct. Therefore transgenderism has no basis in biology and is a product of societal pressures and should be treated like any other mental condition.

>>71741361

God Bless Ukraina & Rosija

>>71741471

Ukraina *i* Rosija

>>71740180
OP plz respond

>>71741445
This form of argument was identical to that used to justify the use of lobotomies. They believed that it reduced suffering as well, in reality it was just causing irreversible damage. HRT and SRS are much the same.

>>71741328
I'm just wondering since I am gay, and whilst I never had real gender dsyphoria type feelings, I did often wish as a teenager I could have been born a girl just so I could like guys and have them like me back. I also spent ages wishing to be straight.
I eventually realised I am gay, and there's no reason I have to be some degenerate because of it. I'm masculine, and don't feel the need to shout about my sexuality. I want to find a guy, who is an equal, and be with them long term. No need to fuck around or do drugs or any of the other awful shit people get up to.
>the aspects of my homosexuality would be the absolute worst kind
How so?

>>71726600
/thread

>>71741345
One thing I am proud to have done is that I had the good sense as a child to repress my flamboyance and strange behaviour.

I went from a overweight bullied child to a proper man thanks to my own determination

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>>71740530
>appeal to "history"
Doesn't make it natural idiot. In the past people sacrificed their children/rival clans to nourish the earth, doesn't make it so. Today people cut off their arms and blind themselves because that's how they believe they were meant to be. Still not natural. NO animals do this. Some animals are gay but none "sacrifice" others or know their limbs or genitals off or blind themselves.

>>71741693

You gave up anon, this is your wake up call.

OP, If you're sincere you have to turn your back on something.

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>>71741864

Appeal to history was one of the 3 main facets I used when arguing.

See: >>71727552
>>71727626
>>71727672
>>71727825

Empirical, peer reviewed, mostly independent research over sexual dimorphism, transgender brain physiology, and effectiveness of transitioning.

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>>71740180
My goal is to repress successfully. Refrain from suicide and fight.

Build a successful life and die an old man. Knowing that the fight is over and I weathered the storm for a lifetime.

And that I did all I could.

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>>71741864

God made the Angels to show him splendour, Animals he made to show him innocence and plants for their simplicity. Man he made to serve him wittily, in the tangle of his mind.

Keep on listening to that quite voice that speaks truth anon.

>>71741736
It's the gayest homosexuality. The temptation to submit. That's all I'll say of it. Because it disgusts Me to think about it. That's why it MUST be repressed.

>>71742017

Cya in the suicide statistics in 10 years. My brother tried doing this. Joined the military, lifted, got married. Tried suppressing it all his life until he finally just broke it off with his wife, sold his house, and started transitioning. Way happier now.

>>71742097

There is always next year you grovelling mothers son

>>71741959
You know I support OP being a man, right?
Or did you just read "I'm a tranny" and assume I was pushing transition?

I ask because /pol/acks tend to have terrible reading comprehension

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>>71742203

Repression is only going to make that worse and by the time you get further into your life and look back you will regret all the time you lost that you could have been a cute little girl.

>>71742330

I don't want to dis you're intentions but Men come to the point FIRST, then illustrate it.

come to know this.

>>71742203
I guess it is a different situation, I've always wanted to both top and bottom and don't feel the need to be overly submissive or dominant towards a guy. Have you really never wanted to top someone?
I honestly do not know what you should do then, I am happy as a gay man but obviously there's a huge difference between me dating men and undergoing irreversible surgeries that mess with your body and mind. Good luck.

>>71742296
I am unique in my ability to weather the storm.

I have never self harmed. I have never engaged in self destructive behaviours.

The only thing you could class close to that is extreme dieting and exercise routines.

And I am safe in the knowledge that I know that suicide leads to hell.

>>71741864
>appeal to history is invalid
>appeal to nature is valid
did you mean something else when you said "it's not natural?"

>>71741999
I mean history in the literal sense, recorded history. You do realize modern humans left africa 70kya? History proper is barely 5kya and humans have been doing fucked up UNNATURAL stuff since civilization, things no other animal does and presumably humans didn't until the development of societies with excessive leisure. No matter what you link with si l suicides or whatnot doesn't disprove is and unnatural abomination that would/should be wiped out by natural selection. I highly doubt in the height of the ice age you'd find a neanderthal "tucking" trying to cozy up to the alpha or whatever while it's -20 outside their mammoth bone hut and they haven't eaten more than frozen roots in 4 days

>>71724055
>How do you cure transgenderism
With a baseball bat to the skull of every tranny and faggot you meet.

It is quite fun, they always shit themselves when they are about to have their heads bashed in! You have no idea the rush of adrenaline that you get right when you are about to crack their fucking skull in front of their friends as they watch in horror knowing full well that they are next!

Best feeling in the world! better than sex!

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>>71742571

I think there are a significant portion of trannies that are like this. It's not a question of hurting yourself but just living your life the way you want to fulfill it.

You only have a single chance to live. You won an incredibly bizarre lottery. So it's simple. If you think you would be happier as a girl, then do that. If you think you will be happier the other way, do that.

>>71742514
...you didn't answer my question.
and what you said doesn't really mean anything...
It might be a saying in another language, but it doesn't come through in english.

>>71742603
Because humans recording the fucked up shit they do shouldn't be a moral compass. We might as well reinstate slavery (pol would like this?) And sacrificing children for good harvests and chopping thrives hands off without due process

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>>71742414
I'll regret hell a lot more

>>71742841

attention seeking to affirm you exist. I fyou were a man you wouldn't need to do this, ...

but you're not, ..any more

>>71742759
Happiness is irrelevant.

I need to do what's RIGHT

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>>71742883

Well God is an absolutely irrational, illogical, and improbable belief. So no wonder you don't support transition. You don't put value in empirical evidence or critical thinking.

>>71743018
>Happiness is irrelevant.
>I need to do what's RIGHT


Spoken like a True Man

>>71742658
appealing to nature or whether something is "natural" or "unatural" is a fallacy. read the sticky.

appealing to historical precedent can also be a fallacy

but if you're going to disprove the history argument, don't use a fallacy yourself.

>>71743018

>"Right"

Ah yes, moral superiority.

>>71743082


beautiful, ... for now, shame about your inevitable old age and death.

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>>71743157

My argument is only rooted 1/3rd in looking at history. The rest is empirical evidence:

It's bluepilled to be against trannies because it disregards biological truth, empirical psychological improvement, and historical fact.

>>71724324
This. Talking to an imaginary person who isn't real and has pretend powers to cure you can sometimes be helpful when you are in an imaginary crisis. Or, if you just really really want a certain toy for Christmas. That used to work for me.

Good luck!

>>71743094
Exactly. If I had murderous desires.

It would be the right thing to do to repress those desires. Because giving into my own selfishness will hurt, disgust and harm others.

>>71743082
I know in my heart that it's wrong. I must never forget that.

>>71743192

Everyone ages and everyone dies. If you live your life in fear of the future you're a cuck. Manifest your desires into reality by living in the present.

Don't fall for the hormones meme. It will only kill you faster.

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>The referendum in the Crimea.
>90% of people of Crimea's accession to Russia.
> Ko-ko-ko, a referendum is not real, there were commissioners of NKVD!
>The referendum in the Netherlands.
>60% of people do not want to let the Ukraine into the EU.
>Ko-ko-ko, they just do not understand the benefits of Ukraine...
The whole point of democracy and elections in Europe.

>>71743016
Oh ok. You're talking to yourself in my direction. Got it.

>>71724055
You may not be able to cure yourself anon.
But you can fight it!

If you accept that you may be like this forever it can actually be easy to cope with because you can come up with coping strategies easier when you know your enemy.

You ought to fap too, not fapping destroys your hormone levels.
Take testosterone supps too.

>>71743365
>you're a cuck

...says you

>WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU!?

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>>71743363

How is it wrong? What is wrong about it?

We are masses of cellular tissue with electrical neural networks throughout our body comprised of microscopic elements and molecules. Our entire universe is created by microscopic forces of nature.

.... but right, dressing like a girl and asking your friends/family to identify you as such if it makes you live a better life is so wrong.

Don't you realize how myopic of a view that is? The universe is 15 billion years old but I guess it's bad to stick a penis in a butthole? Lol that's so ignorant.

>>71741445
Not to mention even Wikipedia suggests that the irreversable physical changes of HRT and SRS are controversial.
"Hormone treatment or surgery for GID is somewhat controversial because of the irreversibility of physical changes. Guidelines have been established to aid clinicians. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care are used by some clinicians as treatment guidelines. Others use guidelines outlined in Gianna Israel and Donald Tarver's Transgender Care. Guidelines for treatment generally follow a "harm reduction" model.[38][39][40]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Management
Even mainstream psychology is skeptical, and rightfully so. We shouldn't perpetuate another destructive method like the lobotomy.

>>71724055
anyone has that old 4chan story about the prey the gay away typo?

>>71743437

>...in your direction

Do I know you? Russia is the front line but America is the ragged edge, keep on keeping on bro.

>>71743257
Huh?

I was just telling the guy who disagreed with you why his argument was shit.

>>71743510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFqTJ34LyWo

It's doesent matter about my friends or family. To them. I am happy. I am someone they can be proud of.

I will NOT put them through that. You're being wishful thinking that it's easy to become a girl like your pics suggest.

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>>71743489

I mean if you spend all your time worrying about the future you are absolutely cuck'd by it. You are it's little bitch and it controls your life and makes your current present worse based on something that hasn't happened yet and something you can't predict.

The world could enter a nuclear holocaust in 5 years. There could be a massive bio-agent. Etc. Live the life YOU want to life.

>>71743795

I'm not being wishful. If you think you could pass, go for it. If you don't think so and you would become a Hon, then maybe you shouldn't transition.

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>>71724055
All homos and transgenders can only be cured through Christ. It's not mental illness (although there might be some cases), it's a spiritual problem. They have been influenced by homosexual demons.

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>>71743938

>>71743157
>>71743257
Degeneracy and nature aren't mutually exclusive. Animals have been known to engage in interspecies sex and necrophilia, but none have been known to physically remove their own genitalia (besides humans, circumcision, fgm, castration etc) so even IF animals are discovered to do so doesn't mean we should regard or as "Ok" also some humans are psychopaths, should we accommodate them or expect them to surpress their fucked up feelings?

>>71743363

Ecclesiastes 3King James Version (KJV)

3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Time is an aspect of *our* reality anon, we must all come to accept it's compulsions. Do you see the expressions of intrgue and confusion of those who perceive your face? They are sensing the approach of what you Know. One day they will look to you for guidance because they will know you have already scouted the path.

in punishing your desires you discipline your body to your minds will.

>>71724055
Can I fuck you once you are a girl?

>>71743888

...

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>>71744214
Bahamas...

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>tfw the only argument /pol/ can conjure against homosexuality is a floating magical sky fairy

>>71744423

Are you a laughing nigger or in thrall to them? They are still in their stone age albeit with access to modern technology.

>>71743538
now correct me if I'm wrong, but lobotomy has bad outcomes in the vast majority of cases.

Transition has at least some cases with great outcomes, if not a majority of cases with great outcomes. Therefore it is ethical to use it as treatment.

Whether transition is harmful really comes down to making sure it's the best course of action for the patient.

Can transition be harmful? Yes, when used improperly.
The same can be said of all medicines and treatments.

>>71743257

>Disregards Biological truth

You mean the fact that Trannies are weaklings that are a purpose made evolutionary dead end?

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>>71724055
There is no cure, their brains are fundamentally broken.

>>71724055


Just the way you are phrasing the question says you know it isn't right.

Think about what you're about to do.

What you just admitted was degenerate. Whats in your mind now, even subconsciously, the act of transitioning you will consider degenerate. That will ruminate in your psyche if you go that path. Also bear in mind the high suicide rate amung trannies.

More than half of "transgenders" spontaneously lose their feelings of being "trans".

The suicide rate SKY ROCKETS among "transgender" people AFTER they transition.


Consider this. You're a male, and you are identifying with things that are considered feminine. You probably have thing for crossdressing, tranny porn, etc. Whatever.

A lot of what "transgender" people do to consider themselves the opposite gender are superficial. They adopt ersatz mannerisms, they wear the clothes, etc.

If you take all of that way, and go back to say, Hunter - Gatherer times... I bet you would unequivocally identify as a male.

Down to the fucking chromosome you are a man.

Don't listen to these people that tell you to transition. They're disgusting porn addicts that think nothing of you, and want more trannies and masturbation material.

Find a way to increase your testosterone. Find a nice woman too. Project your "inner woman" onto the woman you find.

You're not supposed to identify with the feminine aspects of your psyche. That is meant to be projected on a woman that has the ability to bear children and legacy for you. You are the product of over 200,000 years of human survival. Don't waste your life on made up identity issues.

Man the fuck up.

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>>71724055
>One where I will fall and take those female hormones.
wtf buddy. man the fuck up

take so much shilajit. get your fucking mind right. you need to wake the fuck up

>>71744423
Is not even homosexuality (which is still a defect) you might have well said
"only argument pol can come up with against microcephaly is a floating sky fairy" no. It would have a detrimental impact on passing on your genes

>>71743888

I wanted to know the mind of a gay man once so I spoke to him candidly and without pretence. He used the same argument you used but when I countered that even though he'd acquiesced to live a life without fear he'd abbrogated his obligation to be a Man. He understood this without reservation but he didn't *tell* me this, I could see it by his reaction that he realized he had neglected his obligation to his *self*. I wish I could describe his physical reaction. Suffice to say I made him realize the True self he'd denied to be "happy".

Happiness is an emtion and Women key off emotions, We key off what's True and Right.

>>71724651
They are insane, also they lack from attention.

>>71744413
What he I mean she I mean xir or whatever could look cute.

>>71744980
What's so great about passing on your genes? Especially given that you just stated the person is defective?

>>71724055
You just keep on living. You can face up to the problem. You are a man, and I am proud of you.

A moment of weakness is no reason to end a lifetime of good work.

There is nothing wrong with having these kinds of thoughts. The difference lies in whether you listen to this devil inside you.

You are fighting a battle for your very soul. Whether you win or lose is not what matters- what matters is that you never surrender.

Do not take hormones- that is surrendering to the degeneracy at your door.

Do not kill yourself- that is running and hiding from the problems you face.

Every day, I want you to wake up and think to yourself- I am a man.

Dont think of it as you being a woman, think of it like this: You have a cancer of the mind. It will try to consume you and turn you into a faggot with a mutilated penis. Dont let it do that.

Be a man. Good Luck, you can do this

>>71724055
Become the person you want yourself to be not the one /pol/ dictates you to.

>>71724055

I want to point something out to you anon, despite the plethora of replies you've had to your OP none of this has talked about Race. Being a man transcends it and I want to remind you of this.

>>71724055
kill yourself

>>71724055
Accept that you are a consciousness piloting a human vessel, from which 'man' and 'woman' is decided from.
Accept that we are not at a point where sex changes are passable or affordable (or comfortable).
Make your peace.

Or suicide or anti-psychotics, as others have suggested.

>>71745213
Because in the car of transgenderism is not even genetic, homosexuality probably is, but necrophilia and bestiary are behavioral, like any body dismorphia or barbaric belief (fmg, sacrifice wonton destruction of life etc) weather one ACTUALLY passes on their genes isn't as important as weather the COULD various sects of peaceful religions might be "nice" but it's a cultural dead end as they can't reproduce themselves, they have to "trap" others from a breeding population

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>>71745315
Want is inherently selfish

>>71724055
Hey spartan anon, go back to mtfg and take your titty skittles like a good girl.

>>71745615
Fucking spell check. I meant in the case of celebate monks, or those forbidden from violence at any cost. Also there's been Pacific Islands who's populations have disappeared from a strict kinship pattern that forbid I've cousins 5th removed from coupling, even though second cousins are *usually* far enough to prevent inbreeding depression. They disappeared from a BELIEF not actually sterility

>take female hormones

>lose libido that made you want to be a girl in the first place

What could go wrong?

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>>71745813

God is Grreat

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>>71745813

is that wrong? If so why?

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>>71724055

You can't.

https://pure.knaw.nl/portal/files/515234/15106_285_swaab.pdf

>>71746118
>lose libido that made you want to be a girl in the first place
Uh real trannies like me aren't driven to transition by sex. Its not about fucking, why can't you idiots get that? Only ones that transition for sex are fetishists that end up regretting it, they never actually suffer from the medical condition that causes transgender feelings.

>>71724055
Man up, quit being a bitch. You aren't a girl. Look at what trans do? It's just a fetish, hypno films and such. what do real women do? they hardly think about sex like guys do.

In real life you are either gay or it's just a fetish to cross dress. Getting off on it right now won't get any better if you try to transition. Your drive will be reduced and your ability to get off normally will be ruined. They will convince you to take it up your ass to get off like a sissy but that hardly works, it's much slower and less satisfying than the bursting orgasms you probably get now. In the end it becomes horribly unsatisfying and when the fun wears off you could find yourself in an irreparably damaged body and a ruined social life.

This is why so many trans commit suicide, because it was always a fetish fantasy and they were told it was a way of life. It's a way of life that we've seen the end of the road for, it goes nowhere, people aren't happier after doing it. They hardly ever get off and it's not sexy at all and sexy was the reason they changed in the first place.

Be what you are and keep your fantasies separate from your decisions.

>>71746271

We're the idiots, yet you identify as a gender that is opposite yours.

>>71746483
>identify
I don't identify, I just am. There is a difference between fakers like jenner and real mtfs like me, problem is that you idiots want to make problems where no exist just to justify your paranoia. You guys are just as bad as radical feminists.

>>71746271
Oh shit, that sounds like trans-phobic talk to me goy. All trans feelings are equal didn't you know?

What do you consider real transfeelings then? Do you even know what it's like to be a woman for real?

There are many other mental illnesses it can be,m including a disassociation problem due to stress. Is being a guy hard? The grass is greener on the other side of the fence, what if the fence had a gate? If that's your case, then it won't solve any problems.

>>71724055
I cant tell if youre serious or just trying to entertain us spartan-chan

>>71746647

You're a guy. Just because you can see other trannies are fake, doesn't make you any more authentic.

What are we paranoid about?

And you shouldn't badmouth your feminist allies. You won't find allies here, bro.

>>71745837
Stop following me ;~;

>>71746869
I didn't make the thread I just linked it.

>>71746456

While I'm happy to contribute to the villification of a content transexual it's wrong to dismiss what happening. These are men who've been coerced to accept societies assertion they *aren't* who they are. Like anyone who is lost in their own minds they will look for guidance and where there are few Men they are bound to be swayed by *the other*. I am bound by my perception to be unable to *see* them but they are there and they need to be recognised and identified, perhaps by stronger perceptions than mine,...

and destroyed

... for make no mistake, they are the enemy in this New Time for it is a new time when all our old touchstones are gone, submersed beneath a tidal wave of distractions like Pornography and pretty faces. Masculinity is under seige and it's enemies want nothing more than to utterly destroy it because it mistakenly thinks, as women do, that they don't really need us.

This kills the Earth

>>71746824
>All trans feelings are equal didn't you know?
No they are not. There are fakers who are all over 40 years old, and then there are real mtfs like me who cant survive past 20 without estrogen.

>>71746981
feminists hate trannies you idiot

This really amounts to phytoestrogens and the cultural poison thats rampant in the West.

>>71747106
no.
I am kinda sad that I didnt see this thread earlier

>>71746981
>And you shouldn't badmouth your feminist allies
feminists are enemies tho

>You won't find allies here, bro.


>>71747164
ahh okay.
I was pretty confused cause you couldve just poked me on skype <3

Social brainwashing is literally making people fucking insane

>>71747308

>feminists hate trannies

A broken clock is right twice a day

>>71747330
>>71746981
whoops, just came home
>You won't find allies here, bro.

there are lots of trannies and fags and chaser on this board tho.

>>71725841
This a million times. I quit that shit for about a year and felt outstanding. Gotta hop back on that train.

>>71747322
That is a lie, my levels were tested constantly, if there were estrogens then it would have shown up in blood tests and physically like moobs before I ever took my first estrogen pill. You are another liar and a shill.

>>71747330
How can we talk sense into these morons?

>>71747370
Its not a social idiot you moron.