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Boston Dynamics has vastly improved their quadruped robot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w&feature=youtu.be

What's their real goal with these? Keep in mind BD is now owned by Google.
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bamp
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>>41399552
I keked at 1:15
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>>41399552

the jogging movement looks pretty sweet, haven't seen one do that yet.

for one the military wants a robotic pack mule that can carry like 400 lbs of equipment over rough terrain

they were recently introduced into active service as shown in this video maybe halfway though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5f-Bt3DXfU
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>>41399552
>What's their real goal with these?

third world war
google trade federation vs european caliphate vs chinese empire vs house harkonnen
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>>41399552
some of them will replace mules in the military

maybe deliver mail?
food?
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>>What's their real goal with these?
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>>41399552

still noisy as fuck
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They react so well to being kicked I actually felt bad for them.
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>>41399552
>Keep in mind BD is now owned by Google.
>Google
>not self aware making plays for world domination over humans
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>>41400081
A weapon to surpass it obviously
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STANDING
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ON THE EDGE
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robot bestiality is going to be a thing isn't it
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>What's there game?
To make fat stacks of cash. In 15 years they will have a tiny dog version for people in pet unfriendly areas guarantee it.
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cant wait to see these things following around patrols

OH SHIT
>>41399807
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>>41400130
Me too, it was like watching him kick a dog.
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I felt bad for it when they kicked it :(

I can't find a source for it, but apparently another company had designed a robot that would walk around on a minefield to set off the mines (every time blowing up a piece of the robot, but it'd keep going). When they demonstrated it, the supervising general got mad and ordered them to stop the testing, saying it was cruel to see the little robot limping along.
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>>41400404
implying milfags can feel empathy
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>>41400354
Already is.
http://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=566420
Bet it wasn't what you were expecting.
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>>41399887

The spice must flow.

But really... all they'll need is a energy source that's dense enough and they'll be ready for war.
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>>41400446
Found it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050501009.html
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>>41399552
Just put a machine gun and camera on them.
But now I imagined if we can revive horses on city streets by using bigger version of those dogs.
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>>41400112
That's what you fucking say after watching that?! Ungrateful assholes.

http://defense-update.com/20150208_dutch_reapers.html
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>>41400620
Thanks for sharing that! That's going to be in a history book one of these days.

>An early example of military empathy for robots

Truly historical times we're living through.
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>What's their real goal with these?

To keep milking government grant money..
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but can you fuck it?
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>>41399552
WHY ARE THEY KICKING THAT POOR DOG?

WE NEED RIGHTS FOR ROBOTS, NOW. I AM SICKENED.
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>>41399552
i don't like it.
i'm putting pitfalls and high voltage electric brushes in the grass around my yard.
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>>41399552
That's really fucking creepy, it's almost like a dog but not quite, uncanny valley.
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>>41399552

Pizza delivery duh
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When can I ride one into battle like a horse?
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Am I the only who gets a primitive sense of dread when I watch these Boston Dynamics videos?
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>>41400830
>Field of robotics started to enter practical applications
>Literally the first thing humans do is invent a robot that you can kick whenever you want

We deserve extinction.
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>>41400955
We are all shitting ourselves over the thought of this technology taking off but we can't control our sick curiosity to see how the future would look like with this stuff being commonplace.

F U T U R E. You can't stop it.
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>>41400955
It's historical. On a par with (and maybe even surpassing) being there to witness the Wright Brother's first flight.
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>>41400955
i guess a cattle prod gets added to daily carry.
that should short that fucker out.
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>>41399552
The rotating device on the top of that robot look very similar to the rotating device on the top of the cars google are making that drive themselves
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>>41400704

I don't know why you are angry, it is still very noisy. It also does nothing new, it got kicked and climbed hills just as well in the 6 year old videos. All they did was make it a bit smaller.

I am pleased the Dutch army is getting reapers, it's a great weapon.
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>>41401090
>implying it's frame doesn't act as a Faraday cage

Bipedal version when?
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>>41400620
Best hope for mankind yet if we ever create AI
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>>41401133
They're both LIDAR sensors.
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>>41399552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHM26ODThnU
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It's kind of suspicious that they didn't try to kick it down the stairs. Probably how you stop it.
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>>41401136
>Reapers

How cute.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znwU_4lLoGE
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>>41400831
Pfft...

Walking up stairs, tiny hills and running....

I can do that too
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>>41401136
It's vastly better in many different ways. Spot's navigational sensors are a much higher quality and much better programmed. The difficulty in this should not be underestimated.
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>>41399552
What would the advantages be of making a bipedal mech?
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>>41401243
see>>41401217
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>No robots were harmed
>You can clear see them kicking and pushing the robots
Rights for robots movement, when?
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>>41401260
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2015/01/18/maa-boss-flags-up-engineering-shortage-conerns/21865027/

What, did ya clear out all your engineers from the Navy to build that thing?
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>>41401217
>>41401290

So why didn't it kill his camera too?
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>>41401279
It could do some more complex things if you could get the ai right, but really you don't need to.
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>>41401217
>implying you'd get close enough to use that
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>>41401274
Yea but the robot doesn't suck black dick and give his country over to mudslimes and women.
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>>41401347
Because shit like that has a range measured in cm.
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>>41401136

Making it smaller is kinda what makes this groundbreaking: it uses less power now, you can transport more of them, and imagine those "dogs" armed with machine-guns, running around, armour-plated to protect the joints, shooting Tusken Raiders and Vodka-drinkers in the everlasting proxy wars

The future of war is going to be dreadful for humans
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>>41401090
>implying AP ammunition wasn't banned in anticipation of the robotic armies of the future
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>>41401424
>The future of war is going to be dreadful for humans

Nothing new there
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>Military robots
>AI
What could possibly go wrong?
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>>41400620

> Military personnel so happy for their robots they name them sergeants and give them purple hearts

I think that robot waifus aren't as unrealistic as most people say
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>>41400611
Combat models will use a diesel engine, I believe. That's why the big fucker was so noisy.
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>>41399552

Why do I instantly sympathize with the robots when they are kicked? Why do people instantly sympathize with something if you give it a human-like or animal-like form or possibly make it utter familiar sounds?
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Is this the weapon to surpass metal gear?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQ8YtCiMoI
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>>41401538
Because we would have slaughtered each other a long time ago without such "instincts".
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>>41401537
Nah, that's the old test version, the engine is too loud, heavy and bulky for use in theatre, the final product won't use them.
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>>41399552
>What's their real goal with these?
Selling robotic pets that do things you wish your own (seemingly untrainable) pet could do, but can't because you never trained it to do.

IE, fetch your mail, act as a waiter tray, etc etc.

If they made them humanoid, you'd have the Matrix problem, as in the REAL matrix problem: people empathise with humans and thus their expectations rub off on whatever they empathise. Basically, robots won't act rebellious until humans expect them to act rebellious, the rebellion (like 90% of humans you think YOU'RE feeling) come from other humans. Meanwhile, humans are perfectly okay with subservient quadrupeds.

Welcome to the information age, manual labour is no longer necessary.
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>>41401538
Human compassion.
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>>41399552
Eventually, all of these developments will be used to hunt and coral citizens.

Google stated "don't be evil" as it guiding ethic. The fact that it said this instead of "be good" is troubling enough.

I think that it is clear, now, that their mantra was merely Orwellian Newspeak.
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Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RlSgnpLbro
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>>41401700
>Impyling a robot race of humans isn't the future of humanity on our dying planet we can no longer live on.

Hey man at least our great works will carry on. Just not us cause we're retarded.
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Soon, governments can oppress their population even without the help of police and military. Fuck that shit.
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>>41401501
A productive and efficient military?
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>>41401556
couldnt handle this
oh my god
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>>41401355
I shuddered when I saw this.

Mounting a turret on this this is awful to think about. Especially when they get faster. Reminds me a little of Hunters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT-tV7zOEPU
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>>41401803
look on the bright side, if we create an AI government will become obsolete.
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>>41401556

This is the second time I see that today and I just can't stop laughing
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>>41399552
it going to be a sad day when you won't even get to be killed by another human

you die by the cold uncaring hand of a robot

what a meaningless death
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>>41401790
>Just not us cause we're retarded.
Let's assume for a second that what you're saying is even remotely possible, do you believe that these things would believe that as well? Do you believe that this race of androids will sit back and say "gee, the people that made me everything I am sure were retarded, I mean... look at how perfect I am... just fucking look... oh, wait."

In reality anything computerised performs purely on instructions, if they're not told to do something they simply don't do it. This leads on to my only fear with these things, humans expect things from things they empathise with, like a will to freedom or (in many darker natures) a will to rebel. Computers won't "feel" this until humans expect them to feel it, it's basically the closest they'll come to being "instructed" to overtake us.

>>41401774
Good and evil are difficult concepts, good is actually completely beyond us, the best we understand about evil is that pain is bad and that arbitrarily inflicting it is "evil."

If google abides by some sort of non-aggression principle or victim/damage principle, ala graphic, I'm happy with whatever they do. After that, provided they stay away from our children's minds and let us raise them how we want them, that's a definitely positive.
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>>41401899
A human will have directed it to kill you. No worse than a gun or bomb death really.
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>>41401556

God when it started spinning.....
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>>41402064
Glad to see not everyone buys into the computer paranoia.
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>>41401160
wuht?

there is no reason to make AI other than to use it to gain power over others

AI will be the terrible for humanity
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>>41401851
They have a video of one running 28 miles per hour
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>>41401260
>UK
>Super cute.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gG-EFqrndM
We're already testing this aboard carriers. Real carriers. No ski jump.
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>>41400894
source for that pic? looks interesting

if you ever see that kind of thing or the watson "cleverbot" pour acid on it and smash it then let out a blood curtling roar and run off into the woods
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>>41402062
>Oversimplificationthepng.png

Wow that is a horrible picture.
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>>41399552
I foresee these things becoming the heroes of the 21st century.

Hear me out.

Think of those thousands of Yazidis that were trapped on Mt Rapedoom.

We could drop supplies to them, but we couldn't risk sending in airborne troops.

Imagine if we dropped in five Big Dogs with 400lbs of fuel & ammo. Infra red. Night vision. Extreme zoom optics.

And these Big Dogs slowly snuck around the enemy positions eliminating every single one over the course of a few days.

Big Dogs can do stuff humans can't. All while being controlled by some mil nerd in Nevada.
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>>41401160
>Best hope for mankind yet if we ever create AI
We've already created AI, it's already capable of doing most things. What you don't understand about AI is that it absolutely requires the input of a human mind, computers will always need programming and direction.

Think of computer programming as data, it's just a recording of a human mind itself, the way it thinks, etc.

>>41402189
Oversimplifications are good, they're a good place to start, just a horrible place to finish.
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>you will never get to pilot a Zaku._.
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>>41401851
Episode 3/ half life 3 fucking never
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>>41402252
I mean a proper intelligence not that half baked shit that lets you turn it off.
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So, even though I view the militarization of robots with great trepidation, there will be plenty of good things coming out of this for those of us who manage to get at or stay in the middle-class or higher:

Robot servants, pet robot dogs that will never piss on the carpet or bite other people and dogs, sexual robots

I feel bad for the underclass, which will be set back immensely since the value of their labour will become less than that of cheap, chinese-made robots
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>>41402132
>Hurrr look bongs, we've managed to develop essentially the same thing as you with a military budget bigger than your national GDP

Well done you.
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>>41402443
says YOU

I already know exactly what I would blare while in my red zaku with its little commander horn on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GsQSJzmd1A
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>>41399552
>this thing coming at you with a gun mounted on it
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>>41402540
>proper intelligence
Which is? Define this.

When people like you start talking about AI, I think what they mean is what they want is a computer that can essentially be a friend. I empathise with this, but computers aren't really capable of this. The reason other humans are is because you empathise with other humans, to some degree you feel what they feel and they feel what you feel, you share in ways deeper than anything material or even information based.

If you did this to computers, it would only ever go one way. Thus, it would always be an illusion.
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>>41402678
that aren't capable.. yet.

eventually we'll build machines that can think about the concept of what it is.

the human mind isn't such arcane wizardry that it can't be reproduced with time and effort.
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>>41402656

see

>>41401355
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>>41401538
dont let those things fool you

you think they are just making cute mammal/personifying jokes for fun?

they want you to passively laugh them off,while they build these things out and station them all over,its called propaganda son, and it seems like its working
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>>41401038
The kicking was just to demonstrate how it reacts to unknown forces, they weren't deliberately trying to be mean to it.
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>Those retarded and optimistic comments
Remember the pro-gun argument that an insurgency could win partly because American troops wouldn't fire on their own? Well now here you have a robot that will fire on you irregardless of political stance and loyalty. Now we have a machine that does not require sleep, does not require food, does not require health care and has no moral compass or ethical reasoning.
To anyone with a brain this is frightening.
But it will be accepted
>think of the lives we'll save!
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>>41400955
Their movements are too lifelike. Gives an uncanny valley kind of feeling.
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Soon!
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>>41399552
Physics still applies. Would you like me to teach you how to cut them clean into 2 pieces like they are made out of warm butter?

Because I CAN do that.
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Stompy mechs when?
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>>41402540
>Thinking anyone would ever give an AI emotions or desires

Why? Not only would it be difficult, AI is a tool, why the fuck would you want a tool with it's own feelings about any task you give it? Who'd pay for that shit?

What's the market for a toaster that occassionally gets depressed and refuses to work or a lawnmover that gets lonely if you leave it alone for more than a few hours?

Intelligence is just problem solving ability, our emotions and motivations are completely seperate from that, having human-level intelligence doesn't automatically mean it'd be emotional. We want to create machines that can solve problems better than us, Artificial Intelligence, not Artificial Feels.
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>>41402723
Eventually you'll build an illusion capable of fooling weak minded people. They'll be at best toys for stronger people.
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Holy shit this looks good.

skynet soon fellow stalkers.
>mfw i'm not a robot
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>>41401136
I wonder why drones still look like somebody is piloting them from a cockpit. like the engineers in charge are still from a generation with human pilots. just as moronic as building killer robots on two legs
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>>41402837
never, we'll move right past such unelegant machines into these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E05Lb_7-pGU

and god help the state of War when we do.
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>>41400782
>To keep milking government grant money...
Mostly. NEVER forget these outcast nerds WILL turn on the people the precise moment in time they see themselves as able to win.
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>>41399552
>tfw I actually feel bad for a machine when they kick it

PLS NO BULLY
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>>41402889
That huge thing at the start would cost the entire national budget for years. It makes the Nimitz look cheap.
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>>41401136
>it's a great weapon.
Its a coward tyrants weapon. It is the ultimate terrorist kit. You parasitic treasonous nerds are gonna regret this before its over. Mark my words.
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>>41402826
It would have recognised you, identified you, run a background check on you, analysed your threat level and shot you before you had a chance to flip your cape and waddle over to it.
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Who else here studies robotics and cs solely to bring the world closer to mgs?
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>>41402951
I never said we'd have the giant things that Whiteglint is trying to destroy.

but Whiteglint/Armored Core 4 AC's is basically the evolution of the Tank+the Jet.

all we need is the crazy powersource for it, like in game's Kojima Particals.

those things can go upwards of 5,000 miles per hour and change direction on a dime.

how the pilots survive? they are incased in goo in the mech.
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>>41402877
It's where the communications dish sits.
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>>41401851
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>>41402951
it sure was FUN AS FUCK to destroy.

made me feel like a true ace pilot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=932mooNi5ak
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>>41401383
this.
if robo-mutt becomes a problem in the future, then a glove with emp capability or a projectile fired from a hand held weapon should do it.
or the ol, throw it a slice of silicone and run like hell.
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>>41402889
Stompy mechs look much more feasible with current budgets than those money pits, especially when the goal is urban combat against people and armor, not land battleships.
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>>41401774
thank you!

its good to see someone else catch their slippery tongue

google is literately evil, they use cutesy/nerdy shit to pretend they arent

and I agree these and other things will e used to round us up to our nearest costco/walmart/sports stadium/university/fallout shelter

starts at 5 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEXkfMYMXYA
>>41402826
we're listening...
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>>41401457
But AP isn't banned in the U.S.
A simple search will show it available almost everywhere.
And if you reload, beryllium copper is easy to buy.
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>>41402877
It needs to have it's centre of gravity towards the front.
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>>41403065
Stompy mechs would be a fucking pain though, imagine trying to get a stompy mech through mud and soft ground when fucking TRUCKS were having trouble.
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>>41403015
nice post, tard. there's no reason for it to sit there. historically pilots had to sit there because they were using their eyes for navigation so they had to sit where they could see the most.

stop building robots and drones that look like they are made for humans
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>>41402889

High chances of just one salvo of P-800 scoring a mobility kill on this thing.
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>>41403065
actually an AC (not as crazy fast, as AC4's AC's though) would be much better.

its basically a plane that has legs.

and anon... if you think those things don't have weapons to fight ground/small shit, you don't know Armored Core.

they are more modular than you can possibly imagine.

plus this is a future where they have developed an incredible energy source (that is highly, highly radioactive, and destroys the world after the events of the game) that can power pretty much anything.

so they made giant, Super fast, super deadly Plane-tanks.

however, NEXTS are incredibly expensive and incredibly hard to pilot, so most people just use the clunky Stompy Mechs and hope to god one of the 120 or so NEXT pilots don't show up and rape them.
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pls no kick

very offensive
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>>41403112
Where else was it going to go, in the centre amongst the fuel tanks or at the back next to the engine?

Or, you know, at the front with the avionics, camera gear and weapons designator.
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>>41403162
highly unlikely, as one of the most basic outfitings are Chaff and Anti-Heatseaker dispersals.

not to mention they can quick boost in any direction at speeds of 2000 KM's and can easily hide in the Jungle of buildings to trick the missle into hitting one of those instead.

or they just shoot the god damn missle down.
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>>41403187
I'm not an engineer but I can guarantee you that drones won't look like they are made for humans as soon as the current generation of engineers retires and the next one who grew up with machines that didn't need human input take charge
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>>41403162
Amored Core 4/For Answer mechs actually move FASTER than this missile full boost.

and have so many anti-missile options it would make your head spin, plus the arms means it can just shoot the fucking thing.
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>>41402774
>Now we have a machine that does not require sleep, does not require food,

mmyeah. needs refuelling every 20 miles tho
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>>41400955
>something that moves just like a real, breathing animal
>is actually a piece of metal and plastic
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>>41402973
This. asymetric tactics work now, they won't in the future.

Snipe a human infanteer through the head, he drops dead, his military loses his training and skill which takes at least another six months or so to replace if he's fresh out of training, let alone if he was a senior soldier, there's an immediate morale hit to his unit which can last days or weeks and needs specialist psychiatric care to be provided. Their only reaction is to all hit their belt buckles and start trying to work out where the shot came from while you slink off.

Snipe a drone infanteer through the head, you eliminate it's optic cluster, but it's CPU is still operational inside it's chest, that works out which cameras it lost contact with first, and from this establishes the direction of the shot before relaying this to the other drones of it's unit, which all sync their accoustic sensor data from the time of the shot and establish the exact position you fired from down to 95% accuracy. They then start brassing your position up so you can't move, whilst wordlessly coordinating as one of their number advances and drops a UGL round onto you with inhuman accuracy.

and the drone you shot is fully repaired and back on patrol within 48 hours.
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>>41403162
the NEXTS warped the world they existed in, because the only answer to a NEXT was another NEXT, or a fucking giant Deathstar like the Spirit of Motherwill.

and.. a couple of NEXTS take those out anyways.

here is the best NEXT pilot in the series (its the MC of AC4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba1EHiBYL7I
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>>41403238
Yes, because planes will have moved out of the public consciousness as soon as the current crop of engineers retire. You're an idiot. There's no need to change a proven design and model just to do so.
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>>41403238
Then how would you imagine it should look?
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>>41403248
Still better than the average soldier.
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>>41403267
Shit.
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>>41402837
>futuristic death robots
>having legs

do try to keep up, humans
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>>41403267
the biggest thing is.. more than anything you are talking about.

they will never, ever be afraid.
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>>41403361
>they will never, ever be afraid.
And they'll always follow orders. Any orders.
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>>41403267
hell they don't need cameras

run a scan of the terrain and incorporate the geometry data within the robot, the robot will most likely have a GPS in it that will allow it to know its position relative to the map, and can still be functional as a unit that can shoot in a general direction

spoopy
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>>41403267
Yup, that's fucking scary
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>>41403295
Like pic related probably, practicality beats aesthetics, despite what our German friend thinks, the current drones were designed that way not out of nostalgia for manned planes, but because the aerospace engineers wanted simple, reliable designs without having to go through huge amounts of testing just to come up with something 'new'.

The next gen drones are being designed to provide limited air superiority capability as well as reconnaisance and airstrikes, so will be designed for low radar cross-section and maneuverability.
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>>41400130
Maybe in the future people will beat, kick and burn quadruped robots instead of animals.
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>>41399552
that squeal though
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>>41403267
>>41403361
What would war mean without the sacrifice of human life?

Maybe after two or three wars like this, when the only people who died were involuntary civilian "causalities," maybe humans will learn to talk through their problems instead of fighting them out?
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>>41403427
Even then, that thing looks a lot like a shrunken down B-2.
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>>41399807
>The day is coming

WW111 Confirmed.
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>>41399887
and starring NASA as the Guild
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Most surprising part is how it reacted to being pushed, did not fall.
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>>41403477
people love War, so I doubt it.
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>>41403477
>when the only people who died were involuntary civilian "causalities,"
Once the robots are defeated, it's straight on to the meatbags.
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>>41403488
This. It still looks almost exactly like existing aircraft. Even the bulge on the top looks like where a pilot would sit.
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>>41401292
Don't start Skynet.
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>>41400620
This is going to develop into a whole new kind of PTSD.
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>>41400955

I felt bad for it when they kicked it, but then when they had two of them doing what looked like a military patrol I started really getting creeped out
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>>41399807
2:00
>freedom
>freedom
darn that's some murrican officier
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>>41402252

>What you don't understand about AI is that it absolutely requires the input of a human mind, computers will always need programming and direction.

Now they do. There is no theoretical reason that this will always be the case.

Strong AI will be a disaster for humanity and we are hurtling towards it
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>>41401501
The final hours of Mecca

>The Jihadi cowered in fear
>he had just fired an rpg at this thing
>another one of the infidels death machines
>he unloaded gunfire upon the metal man to no avail
>his comrades fled, shouting for Allah to save them.
>he was trapped. It's cold red eyes locked in on him
>"Allah has betrayed us..."
>with one remorseless snap. The machine killed the terrorist and continued on its mission
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>>41403477
It just means that once one country's drones have beaten the other country's, the victor can occupy the loser's nation without having to worry about bad press from dead soldiers.

Human soldiers will eventually become irrelevent without significant use of human enhancement technology.

The thing is, we've come on in leaps and bounds in our technology in the last century, but the issue has been miniaturising it for infantry. Just compare our tanks or planes to those a century ago, whereas our infantry, night vision and trauma plates aside, are still using technology that's barely improved by comparison.

But that's starting to change.

Give it another half a century and a baseline human trying to engage either enhanced-infantry or infantry drones will be like a Sopwith Camel trying to take on an F22.
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Butlerian Jihad when?
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>>41403709
>and we are hurtling towards it
Most of the 'AI' you see now is just based on statistical models using huge amounts of data (ie Google). IBM have research in progress to simulate a biological neural network, but it's still in very, very early stages.
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The video with it jumping around, dancing, and orientate itself when flipped over was pretty cool.

I like robots. I think they may prove extremely useful.
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>>41399552
Their goal.
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>>41403833
in 1998 computers couldn't do shit
in 2008 they had watson

very spoopy
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>>41403709
>There is no theoretical reason that this will always be the case.
There are many theoretical reasons that this will always be the case and there are no theoretical reasons why this won't be the case.

Computers are created by humans and as thus will always be a reflection of humans. No human? No computer. Tools aren't tools without users, it's only when they're used do they serve their purpose. Shit's philosophical.

>>41403764
>It just means that once one country's drones have beaten the other country's, the victor can occupy the loser's nation without having to worry about bad press from dead soldiers.
The next best thing...
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I'd also like to add that Boston Dynamics has two quadrupled robots.

One is more of a pack animal and the other is smaller and quicker. Big Dog is the clumsy one your use to seeing. It's slow but all terrain.

Cheetah is faster. It's not as steady on all terrain but contains programming that allows itself to orient on all fours if it falls.

It may be based of the righting reflex hence its name. It also sprints.
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>>41403891
True, both software and hardware are improving very quickly, but the human brain has 100 billion neurons all working in parallel, and we still know very little about how it works.
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>>41403709
No one wants a strong AI, it just isn't something that happens by accident, you'd have to program you AI to have human desires.

AI are problem solving machines, no one would pay for one that might decide it doesn't want to do what you tell it to because it's having a bad day.

The real danger of AI is that they have no priorities other than solving problems, and super-human intelligence can design super-human weaponry, an AI will never go "Hmmm maybe I shouldn't follow this human's instructions to build a Tactical Matter-Antimatter Imploder, he seems a bit irresponsible for such a powerful weapon". It'll just design the best, most efficient doomsday device it's capable of designing.

Suitably advanced AI is like handing small children the keys to the armoury. THAT is the real danger of AI, not one of them magically developing a survival instinct and going Skynet on us when we try to power it down for maintenance.
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>>41402064
>No worse than a gun or bomb death really
It will be harder to stop/evade. And handful of people could control armies of this things. Nowadays if you want an army you need to have human soldiers that may ignore blatlantly wrong or evil order (it happened many times in history, many times during cold war and false atomic attack alarms). You can't order your troops to slaughter your own cities if the rebel for instant, soldiers would rebel and you won't be able to use your "guns and bombs". But with this technology you need only some loyal man to operate an army. It's doors to real tyrany.
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>>41403909

Genuine AI would be incredibly useful and make whoever did it hundreds of billions, someone is going to do it.
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Burn that robot with cigarettes and throw a bottle at it.

Then you can complain about robot rights.
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>>41403909
>and there are no theoretical reasons why this won't be the case
If the human brain operates entirely on the laws of mathematics, then there is no reason why it cannot be simulated on a very large computer system.
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>>41403891
Think about how much faster computers allow you to gather the sources and complete research for something a benign as a college essay.

Computers started as a way to easily preform mass calculations that would take a long time for a human to preform. These mass calculations are critical to the advancement of economics/business, the natural sciences, and technology including the advancement of computers itself.

I wouldn't find it spooky. I'd only see it as an indicator in the way technology will progress in one's lifetime from here on.
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>>41403968
Soon we will be at moleculare border of miniaturization. Proccesors cannot get much (key word) smaller thatn we have them today. Problem is laws of physics.
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>>41404028
>human desires
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>>41399552
Can't wait till that thing's killing Russians. They better make it so it can kill russian civilians too otherwise ruskie "civilians" will just attack it. Besides, there's no such thing as a "Russian civilian" anyways.

Imagine dropping a few hundred of those in Moscow and letting them depopulate much of that degenerate shithole in a single night.
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>>41403968
>but the human brain has 100 billion neurons all working in parallel
The human consciousness is a flow, it's ever changing and perfectly dynamic. The closest I've ever thought about how it could work would be some sort of fluidic computer.

>>41404031
>Genuine AI
What do you mean by "genuine" though?
See:>>41402678

>>41404048
>If the human brain operates entirely on the laws of mathematics
Which it most certainly doesn't. Human behaviour is quite complex, there are many factors to it, situational and learned.
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>>41404112
Neurons do not operate at particularly fast speeds, by the standards of modern computers, there just happens to be lots and lots and lots of them. On that basis, a simulation of a human brain could potentially be parallelised across a vast number of CPU cores.
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>>41402678
>>41402844
It is not an intelligence then just a machine that dose what it is told.
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>>41402678
>Thus, it would always be an illusion.
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>>41404178

I mean an AI which works in the same way as a biological brain, not like current computers
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>>41404171
niggers and general infantry are cheaper than robots.
why would anyone use robots?
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>>41401038
Are all brits as big of pussies as you?
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>>41404178
>Which it most certainly doesn't. Human behaviour is quite complex, there are many factors to it, situational and learned.
Any sufficiently complex mathematical function will appear to behave chaotically. Just because it appears to be unpredictable, that doesn't mean that it doesn't follow the rules of mathematics on a fundamental level.
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>>41400611
forage off the enemy.

All they really need is a system that can harvest energy either from biomass or by connecting to energy infrastructure or stealing various petrochemicals.

Hell, just put a small gasifier on them and let them burn Russian children and body parts and they could keep killing 24/7. Muscovites would be slaughtered while their city is systematically torn apart by helper bots who just collect carbon-based fuels.
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Damn,as a student of biomedical engineering I find this both amazing and terryfing....but i would love to work in this field
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>>41401065

"Oh yeah, ooh, ah, that's how it always starts, but then later there's running, then screaming."
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>>41404208
What is your intelligence? It's the part of you that allows you to predict, to recognise patterns, that lets you get what you want and avoid things you don't.

None of that is emotion, those are completely seperate. If I removed everything from you EXCEPT your intelligence, if I removed your survival instinct, your desire to reproduce, to feed yourself and keep your mind stimulated etc, you'd just sit there, doing nothing, until you expired.

You'd still be just as capable of solving problems, of designing a tool or building a house as you were before all those desires were removed, but you'd have no motivation to do so.

Humans are not motivated by our intelligence, we're motivated by our desires and our emotional responses to the world around us. Our intelligence is just a tool like our hands that allows us to get what we want.
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>>41404218
Do you know the real reason why your relationships with humans aren't illusions? Because they don't always work the way you want them to, people don't always empathise with you 100%, it's that little bit of reality that will always be foreign to computers. Maybe one day one of us will make this very same illusion, but in the back of your mind you've got to know it's always going to be a little too perfect, a little wrong.

>>41404208
Machines already do that, you're just not educated in the ways to communicate with them. With a compiler, a text editor and the right hardware I can make a machine do almost anything.
But:
>what it is told.
It will always do this, no more and no less. What you're complaining about is the "more" part, I guess what I'm complaining about is the "less" part haha

>>41404253
Unpredictability isn't it either.
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>>41404218
bro, it can't be worse than talking to people.
all I hear these days is word salad and the emotions conveyed are just sexual frustration.
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>>41404048
>>41404191
Yea but neurons doesn't work as a processors does. Neuron webs are more complicated and interconected. Sure you could try to simulate that but what you are trying to get is to build a supercomputer probably size of large house (not including cooling) that uses energy imput similar to small town to simulate a work of human brain which is smaller than a persons skull and runs on oatmeal.

Sure there are advantages of computer brain (possible imortality, room to grow among many others) but still you need a lot of energy and money to replicate power of a single man.

Looking forward to your answer.
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>>41404306
I don't know about Italy but when you do Comp Sci here you have to take robotics and practical psychology as part of your electives.
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>>41402774
Why not start getting into robotics, AI, and mechatronics yourself so that when the robot wars begin the resistance will have their own robots.
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>>41403267
We're gonna need bigger caliber rounds...
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>>41404344
>>41404345

The two of you need to start writing papers about your scientific discoveries on the human brain, you will make time magazines top 100.
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>>41403209

>Chaff and Anti-Heatseaker dispersals.
>Versus mach 2.5, over-horizon, swarm-intelligent, active and passive radar-seeking missiles, designed to sink aircraft carriers with just a few hits.

you made me smile, really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvigKyp_hcs#t=80
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>>41404242
Nah, a lot of them are much bigger.
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>>41401556
my sides belong to you
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On the subject of an artificial intelligence and if a computer can mimic the human brain. First, the A.I. that some are describing is a homunculus. It is fueled by the desire or fear of something that is human but not. It is a myth, a myth perpetuated very early on.

Outside of sex robots and replacements for human companionship, programming an A.I. to duplicate the human mind would be extremely counterproductive. Even in the case of a sex robot, it is unlikely they would want the A.I. to perfectly mimic that of a human being.

Secondly, current computers cannot be programmed to mimic the brain. They are advanced but there are several set backs that current make this impossible.

Quantum computers which may never even be pursued are capable of running the known mathematics of the human brain. I'm no scientist. Quantum computers are interesting in while being able to solve problems that the human brain can solve versus standard computers, they are also prone to error. It would be likely a problem would have to be ran several times with the most common answer accepted as correct. This makes them somewhat impracticable to pursue.

Others think that through speed, current computer technology will be able to match that of the human brain. Different mathematics but same capability. Much advancement in this area has been made... much more then keeping a quantum computer stable.

Storage of memory also is a problem in quantum computing.

I think a "synthetic brain" could be created but see no reason they would want to nor do we have that technology at the time. Paperclips better describe the problem then the Matrix movies.
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>>41404340
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SOON
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>>41404408

Nice pic buddy
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>>41404362
This is true, there appear to be limits to how far any given task can be parallelised, and a simulation is generally significantly more inefficient than it's 'native' counterpart. However, you also need to consider that it may end up being perfectly viable for processors that simulate the human brain to be designed specifically for that purpose, in much the same way that a GPU is better suited for rendering computer graphics, and is far more efficient at doing so than a regular general-purpose CPU.
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>>41400081

This is made all the more paranoid by the fact that the Metal Gear cover soldier looks like Michael Biehn from the Terminator FUTURE WAR sequences which portray the war against the machines.
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>>41403625
Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom are the official names of those wars you stupid foreign fuck.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4PcWepywNM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3fmFTtP9g#t=89

So you're at a tech conference when this thing comes up and rams your gf's ass. What do you do?

Keep in mind it's 400lbs and impossible to knock over.
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we're going about this the wrong way. instead of mounting turrets to these things, we should be making them into rapebots.
we can load them with pure aryan semen and have them stealth their way into enemy vagoos, improving their genepool dramatically.
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>>41403179
They're also completely fictional and don't adhere to physics. Any real-world mech would have to be armored as fuck, since they'd be expensive as shit and not expendable. Planes are fragile as shit, put a plan on the ground and it will get fucked up. A viable mech would have to be some kind of tank with heavily armored legs and a nuclear reactor for an engine.
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Jobs to be eliminated soon:

- truck drivers (automated vehicles)
- pizza delivery (drones)
- dads giving their sons horseback rides across the front lawn (boston dynamics)
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>>41404684
which reduces their mobility.
people are hardly armoured as fuck.
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>that whining noise everytime it gets kicked
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>>41404171
>that faggot obsessed with russians

god damn, it's like you are a russophile

go fap to putin you humongous faggot
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>>41404684
Anon, they are being developed for real world use but not on the front line. Many soldiers are injured and killed preforming simple transport runs without ever engaging in a fire fight. Although expensive, it is less expendable then the vehicles and soldiers who drive them.

It is also being considered for rescue mission like those preformed by the Red Cross.

With weaponry and the fact from afar it resembles an animal and is quiet and quick, it could be employed in hostage situations where one might not want to send in people.
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>>41404671
Pee on it.
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>>41404715
Mobility vs Survivability

Humans are going to be obsolete as front line units soon unless we can pull off some kind of robocop.
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This could be great for blind people
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>>41404671
Jump on it's back, slap it's ass and say Giddy Up!
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>>41404848
BDIDF detected.
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I want to see them cover it in some kind of material to give it the appearance of skin, nightmare fuel.
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>>41399552
I don't think it would be very difficult to stop one of these things. Set up some basic hunting traps or lasso/net the damn thing until it runs out of juice.
If you're afraid of EWAR just have a jammer on/near you
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>>41401734
>cartoon
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>>41401734
Robots can't feel pain.

This is no more different than beating up a toaster
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A WEAPON TO SURPASS METAL GEAR
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>>41401501
>What could possibly go wrong?
If making the world safe for Democratic-Republican governments and post-ethnic-nationalim is "wrong" in your book, then you're a fucking retard.

Robots are America's way making the world a better place. Our corporations, vast resources, and Civic Nationalism allow us to be the ideal producers of a robot army (+ navy and airforce) since we have the cold drive to efficiently produce as much as possible (public corporations), in a cheap manner, and without the legal burdens that would apply in Old-World countries founded on ethnic nationalism or embroiled in such struggles. Simply put, we've got the economic capability, military necessity, and legal leeway necessary to build a robot military so that we can make the world a better place without having to worry about one ethnic group coming to power and using the military to suppress another one which happens all the time in the shittier parts of the world (i.e. the rest of the world).


Once we build this army, you can bet your ass that it'll be coming to a country near you. Ethnic nationalism needs to be stamped out by force if necessary and its niche in societies must be replaced by a legal-centric system that ethnically-neutral robots can fullfill. For that reason, it's in America's security interests to ensure that all countries be supplemented with our robots in order to reduce nationalistic conflict by having a 3rd party protect harmony between the people.

Peaceful world harmonization(or 'domination' if you're an anti-American) is in our national self-interest and these technologies have the capability of ensuring that internal nationalistic conflicts in foreign states can't escalate into international conflicts among state.

Besides, imagine how much better places like Africa, the Middle East, and Europe would be if American robot patrols could prevent nationalistic conflicts. Imagine how many genocides, civil wars, coups, and oppressive acts could be prevented.
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>>41399552
no bully plz
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>>41399552
>What's their real goal with these?
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUnjxftU6r0
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Some foreigners just Need To Die. Who better to decide who lives and who dies than a country who's objective is to make the world better for freedom by promoting the legal protection of the God-given rights of man? Evil regimes must be exterminated and cold, unbiased, power of American robotics can ensure that the price of encroaching on man's God-given rights is infinity higher than the benefits accrued by doing so.

A robot army will be able to go abroad and slaughter the purveyors of leftist oppression, nationalistic conflicts, and challenges to the national self-determination of the nation-states who must be protected (i.e. Japan, Israel, Germany unfortunately, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Taiwan, much of SE Asia, Jordan, etc) from the savagery of multinational shitholes like China, Russia, Iranistan, Iraq, Turkey, the UK, South America, France, and much of Europe.


Terminating a billion friends of oppression will ensure the survival and well-being of over 100 billion children of liberty.
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>>41404671
>if you ever see that kind of thing or the watson "cleverbot" pour acid on it and smash it then let out a blood curtling roar and run off into the woods
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>>41404848
You need to die
>>41404735
You too for sure
>>41404674
And you, opressor of natives
>>41404636
And all of you scumbag brits
>>41404399
Definitly you faggots too
>>41404364
You're ok since you'll submit
>>41404362
IDK about you
>>41404306
Oh, and we better teach these things how to torture scum like you frenchies to death. A liberated world and a continued existence of France (or a wiped out france that died too peacefully) are mutually-conflicting.
>>41403430
And you rat-bastards don't belong in the future either. There's no redeeming a serb
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>>41404399
that thing is going Mach 4.

so.. I dunno about your missle.
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>>41403751
God Bless America.
>>41400955
I'm filled with a sense of pride that we can create such things.
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>>41404684
they usse a sort of magnetic Sheild barrier to deflect rounds.

it irradiates the area around them heavily, but no one gives a fuck, this ruins the planet later.

basically rounds either get stopped or curved off it.
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>>41405452
Good luck with the submitting part since we will be building our own, only limited by resources not population.
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I wish to mount one and ride around on it. This is what i would use it for.
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>>41405032
Please stop increasing anti-American sentiment.
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>tfw you will never pilot a metal gear
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>>41400955
It's probably so creepy because the metal frame looks like a skeleton. If they gave it some sort of skin or paint it would look more normal.
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>>41405032

end of war is the end of progress. remember that
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>>41401065
Probably best anology. Imagine how far we will come in another 100 years
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>>41405909
Don't worry anon there are plenty of cuntrys building drones, we will just carve up the less advanced societies between us with ruthless efficiency, as time progresses we won't notice how much the machine controls all of us.
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>>41405452
Not sure if a troll or simply a retard that can't distinguish the French flag from the Italian...or maybe both
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>>41405581
Suicide is inadvisable. Besides, you don't have the internal conflicts that would make peacekeeping a hard pill to swallow.

Just think of it as an extra police force supplied for free by America.
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>>41405714
But its all true and needs to be done. The anti-American sentiments exist because mulitnational, freedom hating faggots of the world are impeded by their own internal conflicts and thus resort to civil-law-based authoritarianism, mulitnationalism (even in the form of over-arching organizations like the EU), and destabilizing acts of hostility.

The world doesn't need another USSR trying to snuff out freedom all over the world and incite even more nationalistic conflicts than already exist. Such villians should be stabbed to death in the crib instead of being allowed to bring down the rest of the world.

You think I'm increasing anti-American sentiments? Who cares? They all hate us anyways. In order to justify thier shitty existence and inferior mulitnational states, foreigners already blame us for everything and think we're the biggest villians around. Its not like we could make things any worse. Solving these problems in order to bring about a more civilized world in the New American Millennium would incur only marginal increases in resentment whilst eleminating such anti-Americanism in the long run.

America and the freedoms she tries to protect can't co-exist with the Old-World and its ties to Civil Law, ethnic nationalism, and petty conflicts. Europe can't stop trying to make us into a shithole like them. They keep trying to get our guns banned, speech censored, population divided on ethnic grounds and foreign policy decisions abandoned. Either American ways or the ways of the Old World have to go and I'll be damned if its us that has to yield.

Besides, our ethnic makeup would just make us targets of genocide if we fell and you know it. Germans and brits would be trying to exterminate us to prevent another American rise. If we don't make the world a better place, then the old world will destroy us since their ways are inferior but their national resentment can overcome our superior civic nationalism and wear us down. We MUST fix the old world.
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>>41406462
If you got problems with the European Union... then you need to look beyond America.

No amount of anti American sentiment will bring down the European Union or the United Nations.
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>>41406031
Oops. The flags are too small to distinguish the colors that easily. I don't hate you as much as the french since at least you guys knew your place during the cold war even if we had to "encourage" you to make the right decisions.
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>>41402837
>>41402889
Mechs will never happen outside of idiotic anime and hollywood movies. A large scale humanoid mech makes no sense at all. Why bother constructing arms and hands to hold oversized guns when for much less ressources you could avoid the countless problems involved and directly attach an optimized and far superior weapon? Why complex, unstable legs just to "glide" and walk when you could just add wheels? Why create a big, fragile, extremely inefficient and costly target that is both easy to hit and easy to destroy when you could instead build smaller, more powerful and stable alternatives without all the fancy crap?

There's a reason why we have tanks instead of mechs. A tank is more compact, more efficient, a lot cheaper and simpler, more stable, more enduring, has much better stability and consequently potential for much more powerful weaponry.

We already have the technology to build basic mechs but we don't. And we won't. Because those intelligent enough to do it know better than NEET wapanese morronic imbeciles.
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>>41406083
You are going to need to offer a bit more than a police keeping force if you want us to go along with this, the French own a good portion of Antarctica .... it would be a shame if it found new owners.
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imagine being a engineer getting paid hundred thousands of dollars salary a year to fuck around all day and build retarded dog robots
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>>41406563

A tank cannot travel up a a mountainside, a mech can
A tank cannot climb, a mech can (in the future)
A tank is limited in its movement, it need to turn its entire frame to move in a certain direction, a mech can sidestep
Mechs in MGS4 can jump high as fuck, this is quite feasible, and a tank cannot do that either

But you are right about a mech being easy to hit, but it could fill out many battlefield roles and fight in many places where a tank could not
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>>41406515
I'm guessing you didn't read anything.

The EU, like the Eurasian union and all other hodgepodges of Old-World states only exist in order to lessen the destructive tendencies of internal ethnic nationalism. The UK, for instance, had to bad guns, free speech, and all other God-given rights in order to prevent internal nationalistic conflicts from weakening its state as a whole - especially in the modern world where dirty russians can foster internal nationalistic conflicts with Active Measures campaigns and we can't use the Cold War as justification to employ Operation Gladio-like programs to suppress such campaigns. If the Old World didn't supress freedoms and band together into these quasi-empires and organizations, then they would fall apart to the mulitnational shitholes that are willing to do so. If the EU didn't exist, then the Russians would make their own union and start fostering national conflicts within european states just to make them more vulnerable and thus willing to join a Russian union.

Multinational states surrounded by other multinational states have to not only suppress freedom at home themselves, but also have to let the larger unions suppress their freedoms in order to prevent old rivalries and mutual paranoia break them apart. This is why you'll never see free speech, Common Law, gun rights, and other essential elements of liberty being protected in Europe. Even Common-Law UK is pretty much just a Civil Law shithole with a Common Law facade.

Anti-freedom multinational states and their trans-national unions are a serious threat since they can reap the benefits of suppression by stamping out dissent and conducting purely selfish and destructive foreign policy agendas. Since they are built on suppression and coercion instead of freedom and civic nationalism, these mulitnational unions benefit from disorder and suffering in the world and can grow their borders as they supress new subject. They will turn the entire old world against us
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>>41406942
>The UK, for instance, had to bad guns, free speech, and all other God-given rights in order to prevent internal nationalistic conflicts from weakening its state as a whole

PMSL

Read a book, American.
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>>41406848
specialization and miniaturization to fulfill battlefield roles
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>>41400759
>historical
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>>41406462
Your world-view is pretty attractive, but I don't have much faith in our moral superiority. How do you justify it in the face of things like MKULTRA and the syphilis experiments, and the general criminality found within our government? My patriotism is motivated by interest and this weird feeling of being American, prompted by nothing. I have no reasoning or ideology behind this. I guess that's good because I'll never be reasoned out of it. I'll support anything if I can be induced to believe it is good for the U.S. and it fits my natural inclination. Now it's just a matter of not being duped to support something against our interests.

Maybe I can think of us being morally superior simply because we're American. Then the strife of interests will seem less empty to me. I don't need some divine reason behind my morality. I just need consistency. I just need to find some axioms acceptable to me.
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>>41399552

Oh joy another piece of engineering I can break with a simple microwave. Ppl need to quit freaking out about stupid shit.
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>>41406623
American power comes from mutual cooperation even if it grows out of conflict. Just look at Japan and Germany for instance: we were planning on nuking both of them and Japan was to get nuked at least 12 times had they not surrendered. Now we get along just fine. Contrast that with the USSR who's friendship is synthetic and based on suppression and just look how long that lasts.

America would stop ethnic nationalism by making the Prisoners Dilemma scenario in intra-state conflicts such that mutual defection - like in the cold war with nuclear strikes - would be more costly than mutual cooperation. The mutual defection within intra-state ethnic nationalistic relations is why multinational countries (or nationstates that are subjects of multinational unions) never protect the God-given rights of the people (guns, speech, property, etc)except with token privileges in the name of Civil Law "rights".

Having America use a robot army to police the internal nationalistic relations withing foreign states would prevent foreign states from suffering as a result of their own subjects choosing the current Nash Equilibrium of mutual defection in the form of suppressing God-given rights.

Imagine if we were to police the internal working of Russia and thus prevent Chechen, Siberian, Muscovian, etc conflicts in the first place and make it possible for those groups to work together. Russia could, for the first time ever, not be a shithole of oppression and national instability. They could have guns, free speech, economic freedom, and prosperity.

It would be in the long-term best interest of the rest of the world if America - the nationstate of civic nationalism, common law, and respect for freedom - were to have a powerful presence in every country on earth in order to foster the protection of freedom and mutual cooperation WITHIN the borders of foreign states. Today's apprehension and lack of consent shouldn't stop us since the future would thank us.
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>>41406848
Why would you want to climb a mountainside? Why would you want to sidestep?
A mech won't be nearly as agile as you think. If you had any knowledge of simple mechanics and materials, you would know how silly this sounds.
>Mechs in MGS4 can jump high as fuck
>this is quite feasible
No, it's not. Look at elephants, the largest land animals alive today. They can't even jump and if you'd drop them from even low distances, they'd critically injure themselves.

The problem is, you base your dipshitting on video games and anime. In case you didn't notice: that stuff isn't real. You can't apply anything from it on the real world.

War is all about being small enough to cover and hide while being able to eliminate your opponents at long range. In a war, you won't run around at the fronts in a giant machine.

>>41407136
This guy gets it.

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/blogs/mil-aero-blog/2013/07/how-vulnerable-are-u-s-navy-vessels-to-advanced-anti-ship-cruise-missiles.html
US Navy faces many problems because their destroyers can easily and reliably be destroyed even by sub-sonic anti-ship missiles. A ballistic missile with entry speed of mach 10 would both be much cheaper than a destroyer and still accurate enough to reliably hit such a large target. And this is only one of many options to counter them.

A mech would be much worse. Much lower range, less defence, worse armor, less stability and so on. Would you rather buy 10 mechs or 100 tanks when strategy can overcome the minor mobility disadvantage and tanks are far superior in everything else?


The future of warfare is automation. It has already begun. The mere concept of controlling a highly complex machine with a single human is fundamentally flawed. Compact, specialized, automated designs are the future. Far superior at what they do than any human, much cheaper and more efficient, resulting in significant advantage in every single aspect.
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>>41404445
Moooooooooo
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>>41407630
No, it does not.
It comes from Monetized Hegemony.
The system funnels money to politicians who them make deals with other politicians.
That's the short truth of it.
It has nothing to do with "mutual" cooperation.
There is nothing mutual about hegemony.
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>>41406970
You got a better answer?

Irish nationalism alone was causing tons or problems within your state and you knew full-well that Scottish and Welsh nationalism could become an issue if it were incited. You didn't ban guns because you were just idiots thinking that people are too dumb to own them; you banned guns because you knew that internal forces - especially if incited by external sources - could present a serious challenge to your ruling regime.

Of course, since you're probably just a dumbass, you'll just spout the propaganda meant to justify it that claims that it was all about "protecting kids" or some other bullshit that wouldn't even warrant such actions.

The biggest thing you foreigners have to fear is American citizens getting interested in external affairs and foreign conflicts. When that time comes, you're all going to pay the ultimate price for protecting the status quo instead of bowing down to the American future.

PS bet you faggots are starting to really regret cutting the telegraph cables and loading arms on the Lusitania now
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>>41407845
You see this? Look at it.

They're cheap to make and will incinerate everyone of you. I can't fucking wait.
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>>41404362
>>41404048
>>41404178
The human brain operates within the laws of physics.

There is absolutely nothing special about the human brain which cannot be replicated. In fact, women are able to replicate human brains within their wombs. Our bodies literally grow human brains from the readily available resources around us.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to think that there's some kind of physical law preventing us from making brain-equivalents.
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>>41407966
>Government will obliterate it's own infrastructure
This is what statists actually believe.
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>>41403617
>just like PETA, there will be a PETR
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>>41407966
>he doesn't understand guerilla tactics
Read a book retard.
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>>41399552
To attach LMG's, automatic grenade launchers, advanced IFF and programming that absolutely hates human kind.
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>>41407814
>No, it does not.
yes it does
>It comes from Monetized Hegemony.
And, believe it or not, people like joining free trade agreements, defense treaties, and access to various forms of aid and technology. It doesn't take coersion to get people to join us when the alternative is to become a shithole like Eastern Europe, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, and much of Africa.

As for the Petrodollar: no one is fucking you over with that. All that it does is makes it so that you're contributing to the American cause every time to buy oil on the international market (unless its from Iran or Russia or a couple other insignificant states). Besides, everyone pays the same anyways so its not like we're denying poor people access to oil. Also, that oil belongs to the Arabs and the Arabs are on our side due to mutual cooperation. We haven't overthrown any kings of Saudi Arabia in order to keep this cooperation going on.

Bitching about our petrodollar is thus no different than arguing that the Arabs have no right to do with their oil what they wish. They don't want to have to defend themselves against Russia and our cooperation lets them stay rich, fat, and happy.

>The system funnels money to politicians who them make deals with other politicians.
But it also promotes popular elections and is often done in environments where foreign powers are doing the same. If funding campaigns in some country has an impact, then you can bet your ass that that country is small and weak enough that even Russia can and will influence their politics. Also, like in the Middle East, America and russia aren't the only ones trying to influence elections. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and the Arabs are all just as guilty.

>There is nothing mutual about hegemony.
Yes there is. There's nothing mutual about territorial imperialism (eg Russia, China, EU) however. Hegemony only works when there's mutual cooperation.

In the real world, not all mutual acts seem mutual due to disagreements.
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>>41404345

you still haven't explained why it would be impossible, given sufficient computer power and understanding, to simulate a human brain.
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>>41399552
>What's their real goal with these?

Robot Goats.
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>>41408136
at that point, a BMI would be the next logical step. you am become skynet
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>>41407966
I don't think you know
A) Who's side I'm on
B) Who's side the MOABs are on
C) Who's side you're on.

Myself, the MOABs, and the Government are all on the same side: the American Nationalist side. Why would the American government hate its own supporters?

If you're just another Russian shill, then this is something you can't comprehend. How could it be that the American government's most controversial future acts could be supported by its own people? Well, because they're just causes that are done in the name of American Nationalism.

There is nothing you fags hate more than the American people and the American government joining forces ideologically against you foreigners.
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>>41407630
What if our culture is different and dose not like American law? by all objective standards we have achieved parity in quality of life and scientific contributions to humanity.

should we now roll over and submit? if a country of 4 million would not tolerate it what would a country of 100 million think? we are capable of defending our way of life pound for pound against aggressor states but lack the population and industrial base to defend against larger nations.

Advanced robotics removes this obstacle and you would have one hell of a fight on your hands, say you kill everyone of us in an effort to assert hegemony but the machines keep working, keep doing what they have been ordered to, hundreds of years later you would still be fighting a war against a self replicating self evolving machine army that cannot stop because those who commanded it are now gone.

It is the ultimate equaliser and the ultimate dead hand switch, it is the future we chose.
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>>41408232
>What if our culture is different and dose not like American law?
Who cares? You got Common Law and have just as much right to have your own culture as anyone else. The only thing we'd do is prevent intra-state cultural conflicts from dividing your own people against eachother. International competition must be protected since there are different peoples in the world.

>should we now roll over and submit? if a country of 4 million would not tolerate it what would a country of 100 million think? we are capable of defending our way of life pound for pound against aggressor states but lack the population and industrial base to defend against larger nations.
You keep on thinking that I'm advocating invasion when I'm not. I'm just saying that we should protect nationalistic harmony and promote freedom, not impose jack shit on you. You keep getting confused. Yeah, some people need to die but those people are the scumbags in large, mulitnational countries like Russia and China who won't submit to a new world order where they can't derive power from nationalistic conflicts and political suppression. New Zealand doesn't have those problems and can go on banging goats for all I care.

>Advanced robotics removes this obstacle and you would have one hell of a fight on your hands, say you kill everyone of us in an effort to assert hegemony but the machines keep working, keep doing what they have been ordered to, hundreds of years later you would still be fighting a war against a self replicating self evolving machine army that cannot stop because those who commanded it are now gone.
We need diverse cultures and independent states as allies in this world. Killing you would be retarded. We wouldn't even need to station robots in your nationstate since you don't have internal nationalistic conflicts that end up fueling opressive government actions.

>it is the future we chose.
Ok the, go commit suicide since you don't get what i'm saying. Such a shame.
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These things will make a great homeward bound movie.
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ITT:

>muh robots with legs instead of wheels
>muh terminator
>muh matrix
>muh apocalypse
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>>41408432
>mfw you are actually serious about this.
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#endquadropedviolence
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>Google owns this
>Google also owns a company that is collecting DNA from regular people under the guise ofdeterming propensity for disease/illness/disorders

Is Google the final boss?
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>>41408232
I think you think I'm talking about exporting more than just freedom and suppressing nationalistic conflicts WITHIN multinational states and unions. Russia and China, for instance, need to be occupied since their internal national conflicts are responsible for the supression of their people with opressive laws limiting freedom. Those countries are threats because their own internal conflicts end up fostering authoritarian regimes that specialize in opression and are willing to expand their borders at the expense of human liberty in foreign states. Russia and China already are good at slaughtering millions of innocent people and can do it again with little or no impunity. Such abilities are only possible because the restraints that countries like the United States and New Zealand already have would prevent us from doing the same.

A robot army could prevent authoritarian states from even forming in the first place by preventing the very 'necessity' for the suppression of freedom that is all too common in European and Asian states. The benefits of having American robots patrolling the streets of Moscow, Beijing, London, Paris, and Brussels is that internal differences could never escilate to anything more than mere differences. Since no one would be afraid of anyone else coming to power and throwing them in death camps, there wouldn't be the mutual hostility that's all to common in Old-World states.


You need to realize that this form of intervention in the Old World wouldn't take away national identity or suppress people; it would merely incentivize cooperation by making it safe to keep their guard down while also stopping those who wish to take advantage of their rivals' lowered guard. We need foreigners so we can have people to laugh at and compete with. We wouldn't benefit from trying to Americanize the rest of the world except in the form of promoting the universal struggle for liberty.
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>>41402844
I want the robot friends from Interstellar.

You can tell they were familiar enough with them to treat them emotionally but also at the end of the day were like 'fuck it its a robot'
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>>41408703
No, they just specialize in information processing in the same way that Walmart specializes in Interstate-highway-based retail logistics, Sears specialized in rail-based retail logistics, and Mcdonalds specializes in franchise consistency and interstate-highway-based food logistics (as opposed to relying on rail and thus never being able to move into the suburbs).


Don't worry, Google is American and won't harm America.
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>>41399807
>12:50 of that video
>"the day is coming"

happening confirmed!!!
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Here's the big picture:
>Europe suppresses freedom
>America becomes independent in order to protect freedom
>Freedom leads to a free market
>Free market encourages corporations, free trade and science
>Free trade and corporations lead to the creation of a massive hegemony
>Massive hegemony of freedom builds robots to protect freedom
>Robots bring freedom to unfree states

New World: 1
Old World: 0
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>>41408130
I agree with you and I would like add that I dont think any of that is possible with the federal reserve in place
the US needs to amend the constitution and ban the federal reserve and institutions like it

it is not a government agency it is a private corporation, that has investors that wont show themselves, Im afraid with this inplace and it being so entrenched in american economy that everyone is too unaware or scared of going through a rough patch to get an actual nationally owned bank to support economy/infrastructure and kick out international banks
http://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0?t=18m20s
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>>41402889
>real life jehuty model with sophisticated A.I
its almost a shame that i wont be alive by then
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>>41408848
Freedom and oppression can't coexist. One has to die and the other has to dominate. America won't let freedom die just so the old world can continue to nest in the shithole of oppression.
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>>41408810
I cant tell if your serious or not but every company you just named are doing bad things in america that hurt the american people
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>>41408948
>I agree with you and I would like add that I dont think any of that is possible with the federal reserve in place
>the US needs to amend the constitution and ban the federal reserve and institutions like it
Agree and disagree.
As far as I know, the FED is essential for the petrodollar and for funding foreign fighters in an accountable manner. Unless there's a way to have both those things without the FED, then its more dangerous to go without it than to remain with it. Getting rid of the fed without adressing those other two things would result in the destruction of America due to hyper inflation (due to no petrodollar system creating artificial demand for the USD) and loss of influence in foreign countries (due to no longer being able to fund anyone we want).

Besides, the people who run the fed aren't bulletproof and the generals wouldn't let them live if they don't cooperate.

The argument that we should just get rid of the fed is pushed by the Russians for a reason: its the biggest threat to MOSCOW. The Fed may be a piece of shit but its more harmful to the Russians and the Chinese than it could ever be to the American people. I know you don't like that idea since it complicates things but its the truth.

Russia would love to dominate the Middle East and create the petroruble. Preventing that horrible outcome means that even the fed can be a hero.

Read up on Active Measures so you don't fall for their bullshit. Russians are the ones pushing a lot of the conspiracy thoeries. For instance, notice how most conspiracy theories and anti-FED theories almost always:
A) Never ever say anything negative about Russia unless it can be blamed on America
B) Always claim America is the problem and say that the people should rise up against the government and... that's it.
C) Never address foreign influence except for secret societies/groups. Never do conspiracy theories seem to care about the FSB or other intellegence groups.
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Do tell what happens if I drop a large net on it?
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>>41409246
You don't happen to be hispanic do you?
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>>41409114
>I cant tell if your serious or not but every company you just named are accused by some of doing bad things in america that may hurt the american people
Fixed.

Walmart is hated because it makes suburbs more powerful. This is why liberals hate Walmart so much compared to other retail stores. The power Walmart has to bring in tax dollars to suburbs and raise property value is a direct threat to large cities who want more money for themselves so they can support corruption, crime, and poverty. Its hard for large cities to oppress their own people when the suburbs are taking that cash from them with the consent of their subjects.

Mcdonalds: They give the people what they want and, due to being a publically-traded corporation, would be brought to court and punished by the SEC if they didn't maximize profits. This is why Mcdonalds CAN'T LEGALLY raise wages or sell healthier food unless there's proof that it will increase profits.

Sears: is nearly bankrupt and just makes money by private labeling of appliances.

There's 3 realities behind everything:
1) The Matrix: the convenient lie that works on the ignorant and the social
2) Zion: the lie that works on those who quesiton reality but still want to be part of the group and base their views on emotion and cognative dissonance.
3) Reality: the truth were the world makes sense but is incredibly boring and complex. Its the realization that corporations act the way they do for legal reasons and that it isn't merely a good VS evil reality. Its also the realization that what matters in the world is freedom, not nationalism or symbols.
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>>41409405
>You don't happen to be hispanic do you?
I'm not. I was accused of it by a Russian shill so I played along and claimed I was.

I'm an American of German (Prussian), English and Swedish descent.
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>>41409405
Also I'm Lutheran and hate catholicism since Catholics have purely urban-centric views on human civilization. If Catholics had their way, it would be illegal to leave the city limits of any large city.

Cathlics pretty much are just liberals who oppose abortion and gay marriage. Other than that, they're the same shitbags.
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>>41409465
Well Robespierre I like your post,
You're an ok tripfag in my book.
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