Does anyone actually believe in Anarcho-Capitalism or is it all

>>140434017
>why don't you organize yourselves, voluntarily
Suggesting i do something and pressuring me by calling my ideological peers unaccomplished is a violation of the NAP.

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I exist.

So there's at least me.

<3

>>140434017
I'm pretty sure if someone did a study they would find a 1:1 correlation between believining Anarcho-capitalism and having autism.

Yes I believe in a free & voluntary society.

>>140435858
Sorry anon I already trademarked freedom. If you want to use it pay the 2million dollar licensing fee or i'll have to hire a mcdonalds militia strike unit to kill you.

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>>140436017
>he thinks there's intellectual property in Ancapistan

Do 3 minutes of research, please.

>>140436017
Trademarking is statist.

>>140436392
>an-capism is whatever i need it to be to win an argument

nice argument anon.

>>140436429
banning me from imposing trademarks is a violation of the NAP

>>140434017

I'd barely heard of ancap until the past couple of years on /pol/, where it's brought up fucking constantly, it has almost 40k results on the plebs archive. It honestly to a large degree seems like a meme philosophy.

>>140435618

In principle, it's very similar to Objectivism (just less blatantly narcissistic and sociopathic), so that would make sense.

>>140434017
I'm pretty late to the party, but so far I gather...
Its mostly a sub section of the libertarian movement, which itself isn't very big, but I think it's growing. I'm not sure what you're looking for, social clubs? The literature is mostly by Murray Rothbard and Hans Herman Hoppe. The classic example of a dictator ushering in a period of Anarco-Capitalism is the "Miracle of Chile" which is on wikipedia and a bunch of youtube videos as well.

Organization is antithetical to anarchy. An-cap is based on austrian economics (also on wikipedia if you need a primer) which is basically the theory that the community behavior is the sum of the actions of individuals. This is what you're seeing on youtube/memes. No one person is responsible for the movement, we're all responsible for ourselves.

It's mostly Jewish shills.

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>>140436429
No, trademarks are anti-(free market)capitalism...

This stuff isn't hard, guys.

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NAP is a bullshit moral axiom that has nothing to back it up. The only actual moral axiom is that might makes right. Rights don't exist; there is only what is able to be defended.

>>140436488
who's going to enforce a patent or trademark? where do those laws come from?

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>>140438007
Demonstrably false. Force/violence are not moral axioms either, ethics goes out the window when violence occurs.

It is easily demonstrated that the NAP links to property rights and that property rights are necessary for a functional society and the ability to live in a world of sacrcity & rivalrious goods.

The NAP just describes the big 5; assault, theft, rape, murder & slavery that occur when violating someone's life, liberty or property. What all of these have in common is the initiation of violence/coercion, the NAP is just a way of codifying an inherent moral axiom observable in humanity.

Rights, morality, ethics etc comes into the discussion when there is exactly that discussion. Of course force overrules argumentation that doesn't mean that argumentation isn't necessary or important or else we wouldn't speak we would just do what we wanted and killed anyone that stopped us, last I checked we've slowly evolved passed that thousands of years ago and continue to do so jungle man.

I know making very short basic assertions probably makes you feel smart but you're not convincing anyone youre just trying to reassure yourself of your own opinions.

>>140438141
See >>140436429

>>140438891
I know its statist, I'm wondering how >>140436488
is thinking its going to be enforced under an an-cap system

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>>140434017

It used to be more prevalent when Ron Paul was running because it aligned closer to his beliefs of liberty and freedom, personal responsibility, non-fiat money. I think Anarcho capitalism is a more extreme version of that. America is too divided into large populations that couldn't survive without Government handouts. 40% of Americans want socialism and also becoming much more heterogeneous, so much so that only a bigger Government at the expense of personal freedoms can keep it together.
In a society where people want to work towards the common good and with decent people it would be ideal but I think the western world is too far gone.

>>140434017
I'm not 100% sold on ancap, but I know that every service provided for by both the state and the market, the market does a better job.

>>140434017
>why dont you organize yourselves
why do you get banned cucklord

>>140438741
Demonstrably true. The point I'm making is that you can set up a perfect ancap world where everything is hunky-dory, but the fact of the matter is that something is only ever enforceable if there is a force to enforce it. And if you have the force to enforce something, you don't necessarily need to abide by the NAP. I could "punish" someone for violating the NAP if I were powerful enough to overpower them, but if I were powerful enough, I could violate others' NAP and get away with it.

I can give a one-line refutation because the simple fact of the matter is that the NAP isn't some universal thing. I hate to sound like a leftypol faggot, but it's a goddamn spook. This rothbardian idea that you can completely get rid of the state and have this perfect limbo of anarchy fulled by a critical mass of true-believers in the NAP is ridiculous.

Any attempt to install an ancap society would either get taken over by external state actors, or its series of private properties would grow and consolidate into small states (in all but name). And then they'd go to war with each other, and you'd just end up with kingdoms and other states anyway.

>>140434017
ancap is the only christian system. Thy shall not steal. Just gotta get mainline Christians to understand this.

>>140434017
Any "anarchy" as a prefix to an ideology is romaticism at best, lazy at worst.

You seriously have to be a brainlet to entertain any possibility of anarchism actually happening or being a viable philosophy.

It's a noble dream that everyone works together but it's a fuckin pipe dream.

Eat shit ancaps. You're just as bad as ancoms. KYS

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>>140434017
>Establish Anarcho-Capitalist state
>Open borders for infinite cheap migrant labour
>Said migrants end up voting for the party that promises the most gibs
>Anarcho-Capitalist party fades into oblivion and the only relevant parties are those who pander to shitty low IQ migrants

Truly the intellectual's ideology.

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>>140434017
Because America is too pozzed by Marxism to ever vote for an ancap. Ron Paul was our last hope and he was stopped at every turn by the (((Republican party))), now we just embrace the decline.

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>>140439454

>Social Contract

I didn't sign any social contract, I've got INALIENABLE rights ordained by GOD. I have the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

>>140440017
Render unto Caesar, Stefan. Your definition of what counts as theft is bullshit, and nobody but ancap retards subscribes to that view.

>>140440119
Exactly, it's just a thought experiment for how things *could* work without a state. Actually implementing it is infeasible. In this way, it's similar to the retards who talk about theoretical communist societies (obviously pure ancapism is much less retarded than anarcho-communism, but you get my point)

>>140439454
>receive less benefits of society at a premium in exchange for most of your property and rights
ftfy

>>140440124
>ancap
>state
>voting
>immigration without welfare
HA!

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>>140434017
How could you unironically not believe in Ancap when it puts this on the table??

>>140440199
There are no such things as rights in a universal sense. Your rights are only what the government permits you to have. When there are barbarian raiders coming to sack your village, try telling them that you have an inalienable right to your life, liberty, and property

>>140440124
>Anarcho-Capitalist state
Again
>anarcho
>state
at least you asume ancap is retarded, right?

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>>140440017
You keep telling yourself that bud

>>140440204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsVONO75utI
sick arguments

>>140440189
Republicans and democrats are the same two sides of the same Jewish coin. Trump showed us that changing countries from the top down cannot work. Instead, we have to run for office in our towns. Start small. Lift, get fit, read every day. Go to town council meetings and notary meetings. If towns start refusing to bow to the federal government, are they going to crush them? In the age of the internet? Really?

>>140440199
>I have the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
tell that to an acap society, luck with the NAP

>>140440532
Semantics. You can call it whatever you want - a mass of land where people live. The notion of anarchy is retarded at its core and anyone with an IQ above 73 can see why.

>>140439855
The funny thing is that an caps understand this principle as applied to firearms perfectly. Any snap will tell you gun control doesn't work, because criminals give zero fucks about following the law and will use guns against a now unarmed population. Yet they think banning government will work because...

>>140440384
You really dont know what anarchy would be like

>>140440656
Nazis are just "soon to be chopper victims". There is time to repent.

>>140440124
what the fuck is an "anarcho-capitalist state"?
who the fuck are you voting for? what position in this anarcho-capitalist state?
why is there an open border? why wouldn't the labor just be bussed in/out?

>>140440017
The early Christians were literally communists. They all sold their possessions and used one common fund.

>>140440880
What would prevent people from forming a government?

>>140440719
society i supose, right? Still they are not societies without power, therefor yes, anarchy is retarded.

>>140440882
This is like saying family units are communist. Or that any sharing whatsoever is communism

>>140437557
Quality.

>>140440680
But anon...
many towns are already refusing to bow to the federal government. You know...sanctuary cities. Pretty soon entire states will become sanctuary states.

its a good system. the only downside is (again) globalism and minimum wage bullshit.
there is no way to a perfect economy, but so far its the best system to eliminate monopolies

>>140440406
this, but saying it pejoratively

>>140441022
That's a great analogy in favor communism actually.

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>>140440522

Yes, it would appear that KEK has blessed both our posts with digits.

I agree, that's why the government is there. Government is meant to be small, and inconsequential. It's primary role is to protect me from those who are looking to take away my God-given rights.

It was never ordained with the power to take from me, and give to someone else.

>>140440882
oh so they voluntarily traded?

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>>140440844
But that would violate the NAP

>>140441290
Government =/= The State
Nation =/= The State

>>140440806
thats why i'm in favor of minarchism personally, but i'm really just against the initiation of force and shitty government programs that could be offered much more efficiently

>>140441406
>Self defense can be aggression.

>>140441227
No, it's not. Family community is built on blood relations and trust. Communism is built purely on coercion.

>>140441326
Yep, they were anarcho-communists/communalists who encourage for more people to adopt an intimate community not necessarily one big one.

Anybody who actually believes any version of anarchism would be successful is completely fucking retarded braindead idiot who legit needs to be gassed.

>>140440882
Those were Jew backsliders.
Meanwhile Saint Peter and Saint Paul were busy building the religion of bacon and prosperity that conquered the world.
Fuck off with you brown man's religion loser.

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>>140441227
Except that my family won't rape me, shoot me, steal my stuff, or try to fight me if I look at them funny. You know, like the niggers you expect everyone to consider an "equal" and financially support.

>>140441290
We're in agreement over desiring a small government. Personally, I'm in favor of monarchy that takes care of the baseline infrastructure, borders, muh roads, etc. Most other shit doesn't need government. But that's a huge stretch to the actual ancap retards who don't think any government at all is necessary

>It was never ordained with the power to take from me, and give to someone else.
There is nothing wrong with taxes. Now, we can arguable about rates and what taxes are being spent on, but the fundamental concept of taxes is fine. You are not just an individual. You have an obligation to society. And part of this obligation is to fund the government to keep everything running.

>>140441530
communism =/= communalism

>>140441142
While I do not agree with the particular goal of sanctuary cities, I do acknowledge the righteousness of the act. Kind of like how the south was right to stand up for state's rights, even though the subject matter (slavery) was unpalatable. But another simple truth is that if our government did not offer so much "free" state benefits, the immigrants probably wouldn't as much incentive to move there in the first place.

>>140441529
lol, no. Capitalism is the most cut throat shit there is. Shit like copyright makes innovation too hard and corporatists keep corrupting the government to their own benefit. Anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron cause it requires private property in order to keep profiting off of it or else a bunch of others with competition will take business away from you and you'll fail. A lot of innovation is useless bullshit for profit like how there's always new iphones coming out or all the drugs developed that aren't necessary. Communism removes selfish profit motive.

>>140439454
> implying anyone ever signed the social contract
> let alone shook fucking hands over it
If it was a voluntary rescindable contract as the fathers had intended I wouldn't have a problem with it because it would basically be Ancap.

>>140441911
Your enemy is the state, not free people trading freely. Please understand this.

>>140441142
I just don't think Anarcho-Capitalism is plausible any longer. The world's Governments are moving in the complete opposite direction and their power and influence is growing. The shadowy outline of the NWO is starting to take shape and they would squash us like bugs.

>>140441674
Monarchy is a step in the right direction, though. A monarch wants to keep his power and pass it to his children, therefore having incentive to keep everybody happy and treat the land well. People who hold onto the land for merely 4-8 years, well, not so much.

>>140442114
Anything is possible with Christ.

>>140441981
By living and participating in this society, you agree to its social contract. You're free to leave if you desire.

>>140441911
I'm not an anarcho-capitalist. I think both communism and anarcho-capitalism are retarded

>>140442145
I agree. However, that's not an argument for anarcho-capitalism. It's an argument for the issue of time horizon in politics.

>>140441485
How is it self defense if I keep my Naziistic perspectives as principles to live by and not try to implement a NatSoc government? Then I would be acting in self defense with you as the primary aggressor (read: NAP violator). Besides, vigilante justice (unjustifiable violence unless you have the morals of an ANTIFAggot) would ensure that you get turned into a lampshade faster than you could even yearn for roads again one last time.

>>140438141

who's going to determine which property belongs to whom? where do those laws come from?

>thinking the masses will just let themselves starve to death because Big Agribusiness won't voluntarily redistribute farmland.

>>140442228
Okay great let me stop paying taxes oh ho ho wait a minute

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>>140434017
I am a serious AnCap.
The two AnCap communities i know of are /liberty/ and Mr Dapperton's Discord.

>>140436017
>>140436557

IPs would not exist in an AnCap, hate to burst you bubble, but there would be no law to enforce your IPs, you would be soley relying on DRM and keeping trade secrets.

>>140436733
Not quite, your comparing apples to oranges. Objectivism is a world view (The best one too). AnCap is a system. It is possible for a person to be both, like I am.

>>140437432
For a system that was invented by Jews it sure faired much better than yours.

>>140438007
The NAP is a principle that means do not use the aggression to achieve what you want and not to emped on people's natural rights, (Life Liberty and Property)

>>140439454
I never signed such a contract, it really doesn't seem to benefit me to have to pay these 3rd tier services I never agreed to.

>>140440124
More like this
>Establish AnCap
>Open Borders for free trade and movement
>Migrants come in
>Migrants cant get a job because there labor is too expensive when compared to a robot.
>Only skilled laborers are able to make in AnCap.
>Ancap society results in a very specialized society full of high IQ individuals.

>>140440656
A reminder that humans are still subject to natrual selection. If your too decadant you will likely not reproduce. Capitalism gives you ultimate freedom, but there is a catch, and that is the freedom to fail, this possibility of individual failure is what scares the weak away into inferior ideologies like Nasoc and Communism.

>>140434017
>All I see is memes
That's because that's what fucking anachro-capitalism is you goddamn Argentinean 75% white trash

>>140441798
Communalism is literally the apologist term for communist cause the negative connotation the word received during the red scare.
>>140441891
Okay...
one, t. spic
two, the slavery issue was about the expansion of slavery into places that didn't want it; anti-states' rights basically.
three, welfare programs exist cause of the faults of capitalism

>>140441911
The state is a non-voluntary monopolization of violence, everything else is lipstick on the pig. Capitalism is cutthroat, and those unable to compete will simply die. This will improve the integrity of the human species as the weak are culled over time. Also, copyright is an invention of the state.
The foundation of ancap is self-ownership, which is violated the minute we are forced to do something. If you consent to the current system, good for you.

>>140440882
This worked because they were small in number, had virtuous and competent leadership, and were there voluntarily. It didn't last long though.
Communism actually works really well under a larger capitalist system. Such as in the form of co-op industries. Competition forces them to be more efficient and for the leaders to act in the best interest of the "society". All the actors in the co-op are there voluntarily.
Real-life communism would need leadership that's both virtuous and competent. Also machine guns to make sure everyone is complying, because not everyone will be there voluntarily.

>>140441674

That's where we disagree.

I believe taxes to be theft. If you want to fund government, that's fine. Do it with tariffs on imports like it was meant to be. When our nation was founded, there was no Income tax. The income tax was created in 1913, coincidentally with the Federal Reserve......OY Vey!

The power to tax is the power to destroy. Taxes always leads to bigger government, because you can steal more money. There's a reason why the Founding Fathers wanted to "bind government to the shackles of the constitution."

>>140442450
You're on the government's land and you need to pay your rent or leave.

>>140442033
indeed
anarcho-communism is real communism, it existed since the days of Jesus. Marx and Lennin weren't communist, hence the term Marxism to distinguish it.

First you must establish a dictatorship then you can implement ancap.

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>>140442515
At least he can claim 75% whiteness

>>140439855
The NAP has never been a universal law of sorts, it's merely an observation of reality that we want to show people to persuade them to agree in applying it consistently.

You can reject the label all you want that's fine. Also
> something is only ever enforceable if there is a force to enforce it
Not necessarily. The force meme is way too common on here but that ignores ostracism, incentives & argumentation which can work before force is necessary. Of course force is necessary but to assume you know exactly how people would behalf, what rules they would create, what rules they would enforce and how quickly they would break those rules is a pretty vain assumption. There are economists who have looked very deeply into this in theory & practice, into alternatives and variations. Humans are interesting characters and we can learn a lot about human behaviour that shows your initial knee jerk mental reaction to an idea is rarely realistic. It becomes unrealistic so quickly because it just ignores way too many factors, these clean simple imaginatory scenarios may sound nice on here but they're not working examples that's for sure.

Again though you seem to miss my point, force is the absence of morality, argumentation & ethics are always necessary. Think of the NAP as something we've observed in humans that we would like to see become the next cultural shift. Just like how everyone in our society looks down on murders, rapists & pedofiles. We werely want an NAP style culture, a big thing most people ignore on here is that culture is one of the biggest determining factors for the aesthetic of a society and how it approaches social issues.

its an unnecissary thing we could do that could kinda have a net benefit in the long run

it also will probably eventually end up happening once whites are overtaken by the brown hordes

unless chinks take over then maybe we get cyber punk dystopia

or just lung cancer

>>140442614
>literally communist talking points
>ignoring how capitalism requires private property like copyrights to exist in the first place
>>140442618
It didn't last long cause of Roman persecution, not economic failure.

>>140442033
capitalism and socialism is ultimately the same.
rich people ARE the government, it always been this way.
this is why rich people never get penalized for bad behavior, ever heard of a billionaire who got life in prison? never happened. if you remove government completely the rich people will simply enforce another thing similar to a government where they can buy influence with money and remove competition.
really im not in favor of communism or any of that shit.

>>140442854
an observation of reality that's then taken to the ridiculous extreme of anarcho-capitalism, which is something that has never existed and will never exist.

>>140442935
>capitalism and socialism is ultimately the same.

Only if you're a retard.

>>140440946
Nothing, people would probably form small gated communities with rules within themselves, all of them voluntary. Conditions aren't likely for them or any business to be "too big to fail" though.

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it seems to work great in GTA online desu I wouldn't mind living in a world like that

>>140442552
The biggest problem with slavery is that it's a violation of self-ownership. Just because a race is lower IQ (on average) doesn't mean that we can violate that right. It just means that we have nicer things.
Welfare programs exist because most people are morally bankrupt, and think that robbing people via government is somehow better than just robbing somebody yourself. Also, the whole letting the weak die thing comes into play too

>>140442926
Ya, I didn't mean to imply that it failed because of economic failure, but reading back I guess I did. My point is that it worked because it was more like a co-op under a capitalist system rather than communism.

>>140441541
What are you fucking 12?

>>140434017

No, anarcho-capitalism leads to feudalism...immediately.

>>140442552
>welfare programs exist cause of the faults of capitalism
Is it because a market failure, or is it because the people on welfare are not useful to society in any meaningful way.

Option 1: Give them an income and take away from everyone else. Making one person happy and many others less happy.

Option 2: Not giving them welfare. Allowing one person to be unhappy and many others as happy as the could be.

>>140442724
>anarcho-communism is real communism, it existed since the days of Jesus.
Sweet Jesus, Mary and The Holy Ghost, this doesn't make any sense. The Romans, Egyptians, and Chinese where certainly capitalist economically speaking.

>>140443118
GTA Online actually punishes you for fighting back, hence why it is so fucking terrible.
>Fight back, get put on server full of douce-bags.
>Don't fight back, get spawn camped until your have to give up and go into passive mode.

>>140443184
I don't understand how people can't understand this. The moment you tell someone IRL that its okay that we are not equal, and now they assume that you think slavery and lynching are somehow okay.

Why is everyone on 4chan too autistic to wrap their heads around the NAP
It's not as though the ghost of Rothbard is supposed to come smack the shit out of you when you high-five someone too hard. It's just a moral code based around the self-evident fact that everyone owns themselves.
It's intended to be a means of saying "that's right" or "that's wrong". It's a code for maintaining a civilized society. Nothing more.
It doesn't claim that once a government is gone crime will disappear and it will reign supreme at the fore of every citizens' mind. It's a simple ethical code that proves coercive force (and therefore government) is unethical and should therefore be opposed.
What the fuck is so controversial about that? Why is that so difficult to understand? You people call ancaps retarded or autistic and yet you lack the capacity to understand or read up for five minutes on a very simple and absolutely true moral code.

>>140443322
>feudalism
>not nuclear annihilation

>>140443091
Then there would be voting. And the biggest voting block would inevitably become low IQ immigrants who want more gibs and force their socialism on everyone else. You can talk about the NAP all you want but how would you enforce it?

>>140442228
Contracts require agreement by both parties and the contract needs to be explicit, not implicit, it needs to be clear what both parties are agreeing to. Do you know what a fucking contract is?

>>140443086
rich people need the government the same way poor people do. stop deluding yourself.
if it weren't for the government google would have to pay taxes, if it weren't for the government people would behead the oligarchs

>>140438007
>When there's no such thing as billionaires because they can't lobby and control the government and large companies go out of business because of disruptive new competition

>>140434017
Governments exist because we have large numbers of people competing over limited resources. They provide the services we all share and in theory we all contribute to these ends.

One day we won't be trapped on earth. We won't have to be wage slaves gathering resources and offering services to continue existing.

If your self replicating robot can provide everything you need and you can travel the galaxy, government won't be needed. You won't be competing over resources.

Ancap isn't made for the earth. Obviously we aren't going to have ancap towns 30 minutes from another ancap town with totally different philosophies. But if you are mining an asteroid field and someone sets up camp within sensor range to do the same, then having a non aggression pact and some ground rules is probably good for business. There certainly won't be a government providing services to the two individuals within several million miles and I don't think the police will be showing up. The principals of ancap will guide us in the next era of human colonization

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>>140434017
It's garbage because, not only does it make currency fucking useless since money is designed to get rid of the inefficiency of bartering by having a large entity backing it as legal tender but, sends society into a state of fucking tribalism since it encourages a system of chaos which will then be replaced decades down the road with a new type of government.

>>140442942
Probably my biggest point is we want the NAP to be part of the dominate culture of the west, but the NAP is not justifcation for Ancap, that's individual freedom itself, life, liberty & property. NAP is just one part but not even the basis, not the moral justication but the moral result.

>>140442935

No, you are thinking about CRONY CAPITALISM.

So in a sense, you are correct: Socialism and Capitalism TODAY are the same. That's because we have a big government, and capitalists can buy their way into government.

The solution is to remove all power to the Federal Government. We need to take away all of it's power, so that power can't be bought in Washington.

So we don't have true Capitalism today, we have Crony Capitalism. aka Socialistic-Capitalism.

>>140442926
Commies somehow think that greatly increasing the size of the state will somehow make it go away. However, since so many lefties in the west are no longer proletarians, but petty-bourgeois and bourgeois, they will simply focus on race and gender instead. Cletus and Tyrone will show up to those professors' houses long before any "real communism begins."
Would you argue that private property didn't exist before 1790 because there was no copyright office?

>>140443470
>It's just a moral code based around the self-evident fact that everyone owns themselves.
It's not self-evident, and this is just jewish argumentation.

>It's a simple ethical code that proves coercive force (and therefore government) is unethical and should therefore be opposed.
Which is fine as a mental exercise, but in reality, it would fall apart almost instantaneously, as soon as anyone amasses enough power to buck the system, or a foreign state decides to invade as a cohesive entity.

The controversy is that you people try to take a thought experiment on how things could work without government, and you try to argue that this should honestly be enacted.

>>140436488
iintellectual property modified pre existing capital in an artificial and arbitrary way.
If a have a printer I can print any thing, but if you patent a poem, you impose an artificial limitation on my printer

>>140443813
Chaos spurs innovation. We will all have star trek spaceships in a decade under ancap.

>>140443540
there is no reason to think that migrants would have voting power in these communities, they might live there but the owners of that community would be the ones with the votes

>>140443563
They don't need to be anything, faggot. You have no right to say what it is or isn't, because you have no power to enforce your definition.

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. There IS an implicit social contract, and you're part of that contract unless you want to fuck off and leave the clay.

>>140443540
>voting
Sigh. Imagine what immigration would be like if there was no state to offer gibs. Lefties would no longer have incentive to ship these people over by the truckload. Anyone could just refuse them as well, and no state could tell you otherwise

>>140442703
See that's where your argument gets fucked up. You tell me I can leave the contract whenever I want but the government owns all the land as far as the eye can see.
Fuck off. I built my house, I built the fence, it's my property, not the state's.
If you want to cuck yourself out for tyranny that's fine. It's pretty pathetic, but lots of people do it. But don't hide behind this "social contract" bullshit because you clearly don't give a fuck about it.

>>140443830
That's a meaningless statement. It already is part of the "dominant culture" all across the world by virtue of the fact that most people don't randomly go around killing and stealing everything.

>>140443992
>Chaos spurs innovation
Desire to kill your enemy spawns innovation. Chaos just stagnates or reverts the progress that was achieved. Hence there is a reason why we consider the fall of Rome to cause the Dark Ages.

>>140443470
You have to recognize stereotypes are true to an extent, you are dealing with a lot of 16 year old spastics who came for Nazi memes. Can't even read/write properly.

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Yes

>>140443854
>but it wasn't real capitalism!
Same autistic argument the communists make, because they both envision their system in terms of an autistic definition of absolutes that will never occur in reality.

>>140444112
> you have no power to enforce your definition
> your definition
Nigger I know you think you're smart but there is no other definition of what a contract is. You can't just make shit up.

>>140444042
There would be parties who pander specifically to them in order to force their socialist bullshit on society. It's the same shit we have now. Liberals let in immigrants so that immigrants vote for Liberals so that Liberals can stay in power.

how does ANCAP manages healthcare?
what happens if a medication needs to be subsidized? what happened if they drug maker decides to price life saving medicine in 1000$ per pill?
what if someone can't afford emergency and dies?

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>>140444211
It is the state's land. Whether you're butthurt about that or not changes nothing. You are free to leave if you don't like it.

>b-b-but I don't have anywhere to go
Irrelevant. If all the land were gobbled up by private entities and they all said you could rent some land and a house as long as you pay, it'd be the same argument

>>140444274
Look at burning man. It's an example of an anarchist society and all they do is innovate and create art there. The same thing that happens on 4chan. Controlled chaos is the key. Instead of just chaos.

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>>140444604

>>140444112
> There IS an implicit social contract, and you're part of that contract unless you want to fuck off and leave the clay.
Also are you forgetting that even the government themselves don't talk about the social contract, they talk about the consent of the governed through the electorial system, the social contract theory is old and barely used, it's only used by idiot statists who have (((no argument))) to justify their bs. It's like christians just saying "oh cos god said so"

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>>140444665

>>140444411
>waaah waaaah I don't have a literal contract that I signed it's not fair fuckin statists!

This is why everyone laughs at ancaps. Because at your very core, you are completely impotent and unable to actually do anything at all.

>>140434017
i literally believe in ancap but i larp as a fascist

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>>140444501
This meme actually sums up my counterpoint.
The community that your talking about fails, and the neighboring ones see it fail.

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>>140444776
>larp as fascist
No different than the rest of /pol/

>>140444228
You're learning mate. Our job as Liberts is to point out to the world that we already subconciously agree with it but make it our explicit culture that we as a society dont make exeptions for it or at the very least are concious of what violates our own beliefs. Why do you think Libertarians go around saying taxation is theft & government is violence? It's not to meme but to point out the obvious right in front of our face that yes by its very basis the state goes against our beliefs of right/wrong and there is an alternative.

>>140443875
Oh so why can't someone just point a gun at your head and make you do things?

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>>140444355
B-but it's actually unironically true.
It's impossible to call an economy like the US's capitalist, because of all of the socialist policies that are in place. The only thing keeping us from full on socialism is the fact that we don't give the workers the means of production, except for the big unions that exist that do just that (teachers etc.).
The closer an economy gets to lassiez-faire (to a certain point) capitalism the faster it grows and the better it is overall. This has been seen since the conception of capitalism almost 600 years ago. Since socialism was concieved, it has literally had no success whatsoever in any capacity, and tends to ruin economies whether it is mixed with capitalism to form some sick lovechild, or it is done in it's purest form.

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>>140444717
I don't need any further argument other than the fact that everywhere across the world, there are governments. You can whine about how things ought to be, but it changes nothing. You will never convince enough people that the very concept of the state is evil. You will never have ancapistan. And even if you did have ancapistan, it would quickly devolve into feudalism, and therefore states.

Your issue is that you care more about being morally/logically consistent than you do about actually having a society that operates. Which is why ancapism is nothing more than thought experiments.

>>140444847
But the neighbouring ones blame it on the evil Nazis, and not on the self-destructive economic and immigration policies. That would be racist.

>>140443875
Self-ownership isn't self evident? What the fuck?
i control my faculties directly and no one else does/can. Hence, self-ownership. I can't believe I have to spell this out to you. It's the most obvious thing in the world.
Jewish argumentation? God how autistic can you fucking get

>The controversy is that you people try to take a thought experiment on how things could work without government, and you try to argue that this should honestly be enacted.
What the fuck are you talking about? Ancaps talk about how the political class, made up of individuals, rapes and robs on a massive scale every day.
You're telling me these people deny the existence of man's evil nature? This is what I'm talking about. Think for two fucking seconds.
I repeat, the scope of the NAP is simply to say what's right and what's wrong. It's an ethical code, not a projection of how the world will work. It doesn't extrapolate the future and it has no model for doing so.

It's so stupidly obvious that you people see some shitty memes and develop opinions. Read a fucking book, understand something before you spout shit about it.

>>140444515
I wonder how people can afford to fix their cars or keep their pets healthy without government intervention

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>>140444639
>It's an example of an anarchist society and all they do is innovate and create art there
>Degenerate art
>Art
>Innovative
Smearing shit on a plank of wood and burning it in a fucking bon fire is not innovative or creative.

The Sistine Chapel's The Last Judgment is art

The The Starry Night is art

Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 is fucking art

Your bullshit faggotry that is drug using degenerate fuck fest in the desert is not fucking art nor will it ever fucking be.

>>140444960
I'm pretty sure if someone pointed a gun at my head, they COULD make me do things.

>>140445117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpesC_FPFc

>>140444355
The difference between crony capitalism and raw capitalism is government interference. In crony capitalism companies use massive amounts of money to influence taxes, regulations, subsidies, tariffs, and intellectual property law in their advantage or hurt there competetors.
This is the reason why Monsanto owns IP all of our seeds, Copyright lasts 95 years after the death of the creator thanks to disney, Cable companies can charge such absurd rates, Car dealerships are not owned by the actual manufacturer, corn and soy are subsidized, and so on and so on.

When you integrate capitalism with government, pretty much all of your outlandish strawman can become true.

Monsanto already has a private police force anyway.

>>140445190
Without self ownership there's nothing inherently wrong with me doing it.

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>>140444776
i do unironically believe in killing all commies, putting degenerates in labor camps, and making everything degenerate illegal until such time as a free society actually seems possible

>>140444355

Capitalism is only two things:

1) Contracts

2) Owning property.

That's it. Many people don't even know what Capitalism is. Corporatism isn't Capitalism.

>>140444611
The social contract is a Lockean idea. Locke also said in order for something to be the just property of a person/entity, they must mix their labor with it.
But according to you, the state is exempt from that. Oh how convenient!
You act all high and mighty with your Lockean principles but you only go halfway. Why?
Tell me, if I proclaimed your land to be mine and demand rent, what would happen to me?
Quit pretending to be ideologically sound. You've got Stockholm Syndrome and you're just making excuses for your abuser.

>>140445323
None of this addressed what I said. The point I'm making is that you use a defintion of capitalism that will never be achieved (just as commies use a defintion of communism that will never be achieved) and you can therefore always claim that it wasn't real capitalism, and any problems that occur were simply because it wasn't capitalistic enough.

I never said that crony capitalism doesn't exist. The point I'm making is that you need to fucking own up and admit that the gradual construction of crony capitalism and corporations using politics to their own gain is something that will always occur. And just saying "well what if there was no state" doesn't actually change this, because there will always be a state. Even if the gov't disappeared instantly, a new government would still grow over time.

>>140445190
You wouldn't be carrying yourself?
LOL, SEE YOU LATER ALLIGATOR
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, CROCODILE
DON'T FORGET TO WRITE

>>140438599
dude is using the compass the wrong way

>>140445180
>has no idea what burning man is

Go google image burning man art.

>>140445317
>H-Here.. watch this video....

Oh no argument left?
Wow you showed me! Fuck off, coward.

>>140445330
And? My whole point is that the only rights people have are the things that can be defended (whether by themselves, others, a state, etc). Morality is a shorthand for a constellation of behaviors that tend to be eugenic toward society in the long and/or short term.

>>140445631
None of this was an argument

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I won't bother quoting, but someone said that government does not equal state, and I feel like I could use some clarification on the concept.

>>140445882
Because I've already explained enough in 22 posts before this, that I can't be bothered to continue arguing against a brick wall. So perhaps someone else can give it a go. But I doubt anything will work, judging by your posts and how irrational and nonsensical your arguments are getting.

>>140445114
all of them fail, except the ultra conservative racist white ethno state

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>>140445837
>Go google image burning man art.
Garbage is still garbage. Even if they can make art come back to me when they invent shit that actually benefit society

>>140445114
>>140446130
sorry, i meant ethno-gated-community

>>140444758
Libertarians have been saying for over 100 years that the state is ficticious and desolves the moment people stop believing in it and stop complying. We are aware of this bullshit like being forced to do things we have no business being forced to do. Most revolutions start with pointing out some status quo bullshit.

>>140443875
>It's not self-evident, and this is just jewish argumentation.
Found the Larper
>The controversy is that you people try to take a thought experiment on how things could work without government, and you try to argue that this should honestly be enacted.
Its not a though experiment, it is an actual idea for how a society should function.

>>140443540
Low IQ immigrants would have an extremely difficult time in Ancapistan with no welfare and having there skills be outmatched by robots.

>>140445180
>muh classical shit is only art.
You need to move your head out of the Victorian era and into the 22nd century son.

>>140445650
But it has been achieved, America up to about the 1930s had almost no restrictions on trade. And then look at British Hong Kong. Even with government it is possible to establish pure capitalism if done correctly (which is rare).

>And just saying "well what if there was no state" doesn't actually change this, because there will always be a state
Lets see about that, I give it 200 years.

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It's an overarching social op to try and make personal agency or self-government or whatever you want to label it seem as unappealing and untenable as possible.

'but w/o central gv't who gone bake da krust my guy" -coedie cigar, 2016

if ur not 'into' fracking regs or this cool new carbon tax 4 ur iDroid then you must be one of those neck guys oddjobbing fedora hats at microcephaly babies on ur way 2 Tha Vape Spot for some bomb ass Qdoba chicken tenders. based pupper cultural bankruptcy (via FYAD alumni)

>>140446425
>But it has been achieved, America up to about the 1930s had almost no restrictions on trade. And then look at British Hong Kong. Even with government it is possible to establish pure capitalism if done correctly (which is rare).

That's unironically not pure capitalism. It was minimalist, but not "pure", which is my entire point. And for the record, I agree to going back to a minimalist gov't.

>>140445937
It was all argument. I just blew up your line of logic. Let me summarize, you can refer back if you need to.
1) You readily adopt social contract theory, but believe property is attained by proclamation rather than mixing labor. Conveniently, this gives the state unlimited power over everything. This proves you're philosophically insincere.
2) You give the individuals comprising the state the special privilege of property declaration. What gives them the right? Furthermore, you tell me it's a "social contract", and yet (again, conveniently) the contract seems to preclude any means of opting out.

If there's no government who in forces the nap? What happens if you break it?

>>140434017
Give us succession rights and you'd see our communities. Where exactly do you think we can go to avoid paying taxes?

>>140445106
Disagree. I think it's inevitable and happening right now, you just can't see it. We don't need 51%, we only need 10% explicitly and if you look at the studies of political beliefs around 18-26% of westerners fit more in our category of beliefs than the others, even if they don't label themselves specifically Libertarian. So I'm optimistic that freedom will win out, I'm also optimistic that more and more innovations will allow us to side step the state and render it obsolete.

In fact we are moving faster towards Ancap than we are to fascism despite Donald Trump becoming president and the resurgence of the alt-right, pretty funny desu.

> nothing more than a thought experiment
> actually having a society that operates
Freedom works, capitalism works, philosophy works. Societies that have had a large degree of economic freedom have propelled humanity towards dizzying heights of accomplishment, to say that a society wouldn't operate is a ridiculous assumption. It works already on many levels, if you dont see that then I feel sorry for you. You dont seem to want to search for the truth or have a realistic view of the world in fact you seem quite nihilistic and immature.

>>140446095
Arguing against a brick wall? You're the one who refuses to believe you own your own body and mind.
I can't imagine how thoroughly brainwashed you must be to doubt such a blatantly obvious fact. I sincerely feel sorry for you, going through life believing someone else has priority entitlement to your body over you. It's very sad.

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>>140447041
Just wondering do you or any other AnCaps get ENTP as a personality type?

>>140443322
This is what we need. New feudalism.

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>>140447235
i really disagree with paying taxes

>>140437557
How did the pizza guy get there without any roads?

>>140445106
Statist line of argument always follows the same template:
>It makes no sense! It's logically ridiculous!
then
>It wouldn't work! It would be way worse than things are now!
then
>It'll never happen! It's impossible

With each step, concessions are made. The last one is stuck with because there's no countervailing evidence YET, and so it's a comfortable haven for the weak minded.
Eventually you'll see the error in your thinking.

>>140445937
So what you're saying is slavery is okay as long as enough people agree. Nice

>>140447235
Nope, INTJ here.

While everyone is distracted with antifa and natsocs we should make a platform for ourselves

>>140447618
You mean like the libertarian party?

Hey I'm new to this whole an cap thing and I was wondering who inforces the nap if someone broke it?

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>>140447235
>>140447326
Entp AND incredibly disagreeable.

My kind of competitors!

>>140447618
For a New Liberty lays the groundwork pretty well. Rothbard and the Mises Institute folks have done a pretty thorough job of covering practically every question.

>>140447696
FUCK the LP

>>140447423
It really isn't a rational disagreement, it's an irrational fear. Your ideas trigger peoples minds to go into a state of fight/flight, your disagreement with their world view is seen as a threat to them personally. It's amazing how the brain will double down when facts/evidence/logic is presented to it, which is why 99% of changes occur personally in their own time not in a debate. Our job is to just get the challenging info and ideas out there and let people come around in their own time if they value freedom like we do.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
https://youarenotsosmart.com/

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>Russia exists
>where all megacorps and the goverment are virtually inseparable
>people still doubt the ancap

>>140434017
I support it as an ideal, it might be theoretically attainable but not in the forseeable future. For the most part I support libertarianism and minarchism.

>>140447763
There's still law and enforcement. It's just decentralized and voluntary. The primary form of punishment is ostracism. It's the natural outcome because settling everything with violence is expensive plus might get you killed

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>>140447801
Btw, I think we could fuck with Commies by calling each other "competitor", like they say "comrade".

Eh?

>>140447829
I mean, ya, fuck the LP but ... creating a new party would just end up like that wouldn't it?

>>140447920
Third Way SocDem bros don't understand scalability.

There wouldn't be a 'crunch' to worry abt if they didn't keep the 'working poor' on Keynesian life support.

>>140447829
Wouldn't that divide us. As long as we have a democracy (partially rigged one at that) we may as well use the system to attempt to peacefully achieve our goals.

>>140439454
How did that French Revolution work out for you?

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>b-but true free markets have never been tried before
Daily reminder: ancaps and lolbergs are just utopian idealists like commies are, just a slightly different kind. Their fantasies have never existed and will never exist. Commie system have at least existed in history because they try to use totalitarian means to FORCE their fairy tales to be reality. Lolbergs won't ever even achieve that because they can't build armies -- can't have a fucking army without hierarchy and authoritarianism, can you?

>>140434017

There was a time on /pol/ where ancaps outnumber natsocs. it was short period but a wonderful one.

>>140434017
>All I see is memes, why don't you organize yourselves, voluntarily?

Because they're not commies. Everyone wants to rule but nobody wants to do shit.

>>140448298
>>140448571
I think it's a pretty dumb idea for anarchists to use the state as a vessel for their agenda.
I'd like to avoid divisiveness but I don't take much issue with distancing ancap from the Koch Brothers and the fucks who put Johnson on the ticket. They're hopeless, they're soft democrats.

>>140448677
Oh look! Another retard who decides he doesn't need to know the first thing about what he's criticizing!
You're oh so unique, you contribute so much to the discussion.

>>140448677
When nork nukes Seoul, bunker communities will quickly embrace gommunism in their bunker groups to survive, though.

>>140447335
a nigga plane

>>140448677
you can have individuals voluntarily working together towards an end goal, sometimes these individuals are armed, and sometimes these goals are resolving violations of the NAP

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>>140448969
>adhoms and damage control but no arguments
So, you're saying "true free markets have never been tried before"?
>>140449004
>brainless farting noises
shut up leftypol, I can't even bants you your posts are so terrible

>>140436488
That's why ancap is a joke. They will bend the concept of "property" and "NAP" as much as it suits them.
Even commies, with all the shit, are more strict in their ideology.

>>140446536
>based pupper
XD

>>140434017
Ancaps are out making money and not larping on this shit tier mongolian nigger trapping forum.

>>140437332
>dictator ushering in a period of Anarco-Capitalism

>dictator
>Anarcho-capitalism

Your mistype is on point. Only narco could say this shit in sane mind.

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>>140448677
ur rite richie we need to celebrate our differences (via marxish nationalism)
isreal 4 wyte ppl
some white guys r tards & bad (niggers??) so we need to kill them
DeRothschilde World War Cinematic Universe = Boy Scouts

>>140447696
>libertarians are gay though

>>140448677
Heres your (you)

> Lolbergs won't ever even achieve that because they can't build armies
Whats a private army

I want to argue, but literally every other point has been refuted earlier in the thread.

>>140448969
I know it sounds dumb, but using the existing system would make it more approachable to people who already see them selves a libertarians.
And weather people are using the term correctly or not around half of the country self identifies as libertarian so our movement would certainly get attention.
Plus if we isolate our selves to much we will end up ideologically purity spiraling, making our mutual political allies enemies, so for example look at what happened to all of the nazi larpers, they distanced them selves from the other conservatives and now have no chance of achieving there goals.

Without using the existing system we are either going to get no attention and remain an obscure ideology, have to use force to tear down the state, or wait for the apocalypse to tear down the state for us.

>>140443657
You don't need to lobby government when you ARE a government, dumbass.

>and large companies go out of business because of disruptive new competition

Do you also believe in Santa Claus?

>>140449230
Lol ancaps are probably the most logically consistent ideologies including sets of definitions. Socialists are literally emotional babies with an inconsistent ideology. Hence your little outburst

>>140449222
Look if you want a discussion ask a fucking question but I'm not gonna bite your shitty bait.

>>140448796
>Nobody wants to do shit
Except they've done a shit load. You've probably heard of 2 or 3 examples of them doing shit yourself.

>>140449230
> bend the concept of "property" and "NAP"
Besides the fact that different people may have differing interpretations, I call bullshit. 90% of Libertarians have understood why intellectual property doesn't exist, some just haven't thought through the issue which is fair enough. Property is still property and while 4 or 5 methods have been written up fron Rothbard to Hoppe etc it's still on the same track, still consistent & still logical.

>>140448677
The difference being that ancaps never executed tens of millions like communists, fascists, and other statist bootlickers. Besides there are numerous examples of minimal intervention governments. Hell up until the modern era most states could be classed as minarchist as social welfare and economic intervention didn't really exist. Taxes were just used to fund the military and in some rare cases constructing infrastructure (most notably Rome with their aqueducts and roads). Medieval France didn't have a basic income, the Achaemenid Empire didn't have universal healthcare, the Neo-Babylonian Empire didn't have social security.

Hell even the concept of a professional standing military is a fairly new concept only being about 500 years old and even then the roots of modern armies are more closely related to mercenary companies than peasants drafted or recruited and being given standard equipment. But yeah society totally cannot function without spending trillions on making sure Taniqua can feed her 8 kids despite having no job or husband.

>>140440806
it would be very boring

>>140449230
Property = Mine
NAP = Do no harm

Sounds pretty symple to me.

In socialism you have Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, and Antifa all saying that there version of socialism is true socialism. I don't think there is a more ambiguous ideology when you have so many variations.

>>140449237
funnie jokes >>140449222
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lay em down and smack em yack em

>>140436733
I wouldn't learn about ancapism here. There's a ton of free PDFs on mises.org. Look up Ethics of Liberty or Man, Economy and State.

>>140449546
I can tell you don't have the critical thought process to think about complex issues. You should go back to paper and crayons and let the adults talk

As a former ancap of 6 years I can safely say it is larptastic. It's a fun pretend game where you pretend altruistic magic will make everyone be nice and will make the Jews play fair. Anarcho Capitalism is a trick to let usery and Jewry run a muck.

>>140449230
>>140436488
No, most libertarians understand this. Property stems from scarcity, and ideas are infinitely abundant. It's entirely possible that you and I have (functionally) the same idea completely independently of one another.
Furthermore, IP restricts the use of tangible, scarce property. That is, in addition to being unjust property in itself, by patenting your widget you bar me from using my potential widget components, even though those components are my property and I am ethically permitted to do whatever I'd like with them.
Pretty consistent if you ask me.

>>140437332
>ancap
>dictators

pick one. Pinochet was a non-ideologue who took the advice of neoliberals in undertaking economic reform.

>>140438007
>>140439855

This guy gets it. Might makes right - anything other is just bullshit made for the sheeple.

> I hate to sound like a leftypol faggot, but it's a goddamn spook.

It's a concept that I personally consider very similar to the religious one. "You should obey NAP" "Why" "Because NAP". Nothing supports and enforces it, which makes it one of the greatest delusions.

>>140449992
>I was stupid enough to follow something I didn't understand for six years
>Instead of opening a book I decided that becoming a literal Nazi makes more sense
>By the way you're the larper, not me

>>140434017
Because ancaps are like commies... Everyone has a non-compatible formula for "success", they just need to convince everyone else it works so it can.

i wouldn't give myself a category like "AnCap" but i will say i am a libertarian with conservative values and minarchist anarcho-capitalist leanings

>>140449992
> pretend altruistic magic will make everyone be nice
> imlying human nature isn't the biggest argument against centralizing power
> implying we believe in altruism when we're individualists
What kind of spastic says larptastic?

>>140438007
Are you saying that stealing from people and killing them for fun is okay? Because that's the logical conclusion of "might makes right".

>>140440119
Difference is that ancom, potentially, can work in case of serious danger (for a small community to work together during, let's say, natural disaster, using common goods pool to manage the longentivity of survival - every scenario of potential post-nuclear survival has this as one of the variants of living for survivors).

Ancap society won't even manage this shit without collapsing on itself.

>>140447235
Yep, ENTP here also.

>>140450156
Again, why the fuck would you comment on something you've clearly never looked into.
The NAP stems from self ownership which is self evident and pretty fucking obvious. I own myself, therefore you own yourself, therefore we have mutually exclusive rights to our faculties and our property.
Get off of 4chan and use the fucking Google.

>>140450219
I see the parallel, but I disagree. Communism (at least Marxism) demands global revolution and universal communism.
Ancap doesn't make any economic/political prescriptions, believe it or not. Just so long as everything is voluntary, there won't be a fuss.

>>140448677
>Their fantasies have never existed and will never exist.

Isn't Hong Kong a perfect prime example of a liassez-faire economy? They seem to be doing exceptionally well, no?

>>140450156
Degeneracy is a spook.

Racial purity is a spook.

Alienation is a spook

Exploitation is a spook.

All of these things are based in morality: they're spooks.

>>140450818
It's good but not "perfect"; They're not libertarian at all, though.

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>>140450156
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
anybody thinking 1976 and not 1776 ain't thinkin homie

>>140447920

>Russia

Russia went full an-crap in the 90-ies, mate, courtesy of our neocuck friends.

>>140450219
I actually don't care if Anarco-Capitalism leads to success or not. I just care about the initiation of force and coercive dealings, particularly with a cartel that has a monopoly on violence.

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>>140451138
boy do I have a picture for you

>>140434017
I agree with anarcho capitalism ideologically but it'd be extremley impractical in implementation.

>>140449222
>brainless farting noises

Rich, coming from a country that recently listened to the insane shaman cult poster-girl.
But it's understandable for a slant-eyed drone that is incapable of any mental thought besides droning 12 hours a day for a good man.

>>140449535
>Without using the existing system we are either going to get no attention and remain an obscure ideology
That may be true but it also isn't necessarily bad in terms of tactics.
Our ideology doesn't necessitate globalism or universal adoption (such as, say communism)
It's entirely possible to lead a small, concerted secession movement comprised of ideologically sound and decent people.
From there it could blossom by people following our example. Or not, it doesn't really matter, but it would be nice if it did.
So long as we could defend ourselves, that's really all that's necessary. If we could make a community of unhampered markets and voluntarism, that's a huge step in itself.
To subject ourselves to the machinations of the system we're fighting would be to face our enemies at their fortress. It's a losing battle.
With playing the democratic game comes unnecessary limitations.

>>140449568
>Lol ancaps are probably the most logically consistent ideologies including sets of definitions.

Mate, I saw ancaps stating that paying reparations after war is violation of the NAP. It IS the most hypocritical and bending ideology of them all.

>>140449766
And in An-Crapitalism we have Somali.

>>140450156
speaking of mind-niggers, social darwinism (and by extension class-based Labor Theory of Challenge Pissing) probably qualifies since actual humans with degrees who eat vegetables have long since 'debunked' that several times over
Karly loved him some Charlie

soz Pierre!

>>140451595
you mean like UK giving Israel war repreations for the Holocaust. when it had no part in it.

>>140451595
You've proven nothing with that statement.
Explain the inconsistency you identify, because it seems like you're pulling shit out of your ass.

>>140451595
What does war reparations have to do with anything? Seriously what you just said is retarded do you ever think about what you write? Some persons opinion doesn't define an ideology

>>140451786
... or anyone for that matter, probably

>>140451645
Its funny to call a failed socialist state like Somalia an AnCap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic

>>140451072
>good
>not great
Thinking about it now I shouldn't have said "perfect." Epitome is a better word or lack of thereof. My point was made when you agreed that Liassez-faire is an ideology that exists provided benefit to its people and the economy.

>>140451645
Hussein Obama AI automation would be more likely to spur along an end-of-life disapprobation scenario

if u take issue 2 neets now just wait until the only interesting pastime becomes forming your own electric motorcycle club & mugging unarmed moslem ladycops with blunt cutlery

>>140450835
>Degeneracy is a spook

It's not - because it has the palpable results, most notably, in the form of society collapsing from the decadence. Also, degeneracy is profitable from individual's point, since it brings pleasure. Clearly not a spook.

>Racial purity is a spook.

Sorry, mate, I prefer National and ethnic purity, not the amerimutt (((purity))).


>>140451251

Mate, my family is stretched across whole Russia, from Kaliningrad to Khabarovsk.
I don't need amerimutt bullshitting me, especially with a picture that amerishart couldn't bother to look into a read from.

>>140449992
>Being an ancap is larptastic
>But claiming to be a member of a dead ideology isn't

>>140434017
>Where are all the Ancap communities?
Unironically Africa.

>>140434017
Memes are always the most visible tip of the iceberg, especially on /pol/ where anything longer than a paragraph and a funny picture gets drowned out by rampant autism. But memes don't originate in a vacuum. Anarcho-capitalism is inherently averse to centralized authorities and sacred cows, but the core concepts are immediately accessible to anybody whose ever read an entry-level economics text book. things work good with small gov't, they work better with less gov't, so why shouldn't things work best with no gov't?
>inb4 evil corporattions take over the world
when was the last time you saw a government knock a giant multinational down a notch, or help some little mom&pop compete against the giant organizations funding it's leaders ad campaigns? gov't isn't the cure, it's the problem, and that's true in a lot of cases.

>>140451945
>Explain the inconsistency you identify

Fundamental inconsistency of your shit of ideology is that you deny the people who already succeeded at getrting on the top to reap fruits of their labour.

Yes mate, I am speaking about government. Your pathetic "reeee" of ideology is nothing else than "gibs me dat" and envy that successful people form a government to fuck you in the ass, sheep.

>>140450211

>Instead of opening a book

First: Nice commie argument you got there, boyo.
Second: It's quite funny that you don't have your own envision and need to rely on "book" to explain it. So much for all barking about freedoms.

>>140453146
Hong Kong

>>140434017
>believe
The fun part about Ancapism is that it only requires a very minimal belief in the innate goodness of others. I do not 'believe' in Anarcho-Capitalism. I think it's easily the best system for maximizing freedom that's a logical extension of existing liberty-spreading conditions that you can see right now, such as Singapore, which is a tiny state with high economic freedoms.

Is it necessarily for everyone? That's not something I can answer. Maybe it is! Maybe some people would benefit more from having strongmen dictators in tiny states and a tradition of revolution to keep them in check. Maybe there's a reason that the White ancaps (like Hoppe) tend to be German, or Italian (Such as one of the first Anarchists in recent history, and the prototypical Ancap, Gustave de Molinari) who both have really long traditions of incredibly tiny governance. Mises pointed out that the Western tradition of Liberty was a very unusual phenomena.

But when I look at the arguments for it versus other things, like National Socialism, I find Anarcho-Capitalism the most compelling because it's based on liberty and very simple assumptions about people that fit in as a natural continuation of existing decentralized traditions, versus Natsoc's more transformative, leftist approach that wants to make everybody slaves of the State.

>>140434017
AnCap is actually possible. WN and Nazism is just fantasy in the modern world.

AnTeaFa is larping
John McCain is larping
"Kim Kong" Jimmy John Un is larping
Herr Zuckermann ist larpen
the NYSE is larping w/ stock-picking amazon alexa clusters
the Tru-Dank Politburo Discord GANG is larping
full time pro-bono no-Bono some-homo

>>140453756
>because it's based on liberty

lel

>>140453404
What the Hell are you on dude? You get called out on a stupid comment and you fly off the rails.
I've never seen someone project so hard, Jesus Christ. You call me a sheep while you sit here defending people "fucking you in the ass". What the Hell is wrong with you?

>>140453564
It takes a special kind of stupid to insult someone for reading more than you.
Here's a tip on rhetoric, rule number one: never proudly proclaim to be a retard. It's not very convincing.

Are all Ancaps as retarded as the ones in this thread?

>>140454176
Not an argument.

death is not the worst of evils but NuSincerely

>>140452836
Хoтя бы cпacибo cкaзaл, лaлкa

>>140452195
I meant to say that Hong Kong was Authoritarian, but laissez faire on economics.

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>>140434017
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Holy fuck, I'm almost crying laughing at this. Fucking hilarious post based argentina. I'm not here to argue with stinky autistic an-craps, I just wanted to drop by and share my keks with you.

Fascism is the way bros, An-caps are severely retarded. Have a good one.

>>140454555
>Fascism is the way
>Have never won a war against a non-African country

>>140454777
>>140454555
lol. Is there anything more delusional than the idea that fascism not only works but would be implemented the way these larpers want?

>>140434017
>anarchists being organized

you seem awfully retarded for a faggot OP

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>>140455043
>>140454777
At least it is a real ideology that ever existed.

>>140454555
gooch bleach tshirt monarcho-BDSM pup play feat. Thee Sic(ily) Mafia

>>140455122
Yes and failed. Untested theories are better than theories that have failed every time they were tried.

>>140455441
Are they though? By that logic can't you autistic LARPERs just pretend you are better than everyone forever even though in reality your society wouldn't last a week?

>>140455441
but it wasn't real taquiera
let's fix th' gay kids w/ drone bombz & slam bangs

>>140455122
Freedom is real, freedom has existed, capitalism is real, capitalism has existed, property is real, property has existed. We just want a logical extreme of all 3. Is there anything more delusional though, than thinking you will be ones in charge or that it will be implemented the way you want? Or that you won't be punished under it for the degenerate you are? We have no illusions about freedom.

To be fair I think Socialism has been more successful than Fascism and that's fucking saying something. At least their welfare state can last a while off the back of capitalist prosperity/wealth. Your entire ideology seems to exist for the sole purpose of pissing off the world and starting war.

>>140447335
When Uncle Enzo executes you for a late delivery, you'll find a way.

personal agency is mad gay
my anonymous internet black boyfriend told me

>>140455789
My point remains. Until your system is actually tried, you can't talk shit to real systems of government. Everyone loses wars, USA is Satan's giant war cock.... losing wars isn't as bad as starving to death under communism.

>>140456105
or being ritual-sacced for the love of industrial/agricultural production
because a proto-chemsex faggot yelled at you
cronus more like this boneus haha 'lole'

>>140456105
Your point is meaningless though, everything is a sliding scale and various degrees of capitalism, freedom & particularly economic freedom have been tried and have been successful. Even if a society hasn't done it explicitly we still have data to extrapolate.

Either way I can talk shit because freedom works & capitalism works, fascism.....way too many flaws to be tried again. Our "extreme" freedom has a shot, hell it's slowly seeping its way in right now.

Hell Germany's postware recovery already shows why authoritarianism is shit, it only "worked"when it was supported by jew bankers (funny that) and went to complete shit, any country still carrying remnant policies after the war suffered yet post war Germany? Showed just how quickly Capitalism can work. You should be on your fucking knees mate.

>>140455600
>Are they though?
Yes
> By that logic can't you autistic LARPERs just pretend you are better than everyone forever even though in reality your society wouldn't last a week?
Not every ideology fails as quickly or with as much consistency of fascism. Of course states fail sometimes, but when they fail every time there is probably a common factor.

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>>140447235
INTP aka 'tism

>>140456701
This
I get that a condition of complete anarchy sounds utopian, but unlike communism, you can approach it by degrees and still see improvements in quality of life.
If you start asking yourself what exactly the state does for you, you can immediately see that most of it's activities could be done better on a local or private scale. You start seeing that for every good thing X that big brother does for you, there's some hidden side-effect Y that is usually as bad or worse as X.

>>140457703
The biggest shock for me is being involved with multiple small businesses and having to deal with local, state, federal & border force layers of government.

You realize just how inefficient they are, how skewed their incentives, how stagnant and rusty their inner workings are. They're not there to serve, nor even to provide a meaningful service, a large large portion exists just for the sake if existing and at every step every layer dozens of people have their fingers in the pie, so they can set their mates up with some pie. Multiply that by millions of public sector workers? I would bet my house that the market could provide better services at 10% of the cost I'm not even joking. 90% shouldn't even exist and the rest is so overinflated cost wise these people should be hung.

I wonder if they've inflated the cost of literally everything in country by at least 10x just how cheap it would be to actually look after poor people and keep the peace?

>why don't you organize yourselves, voluntarily?

are you suggesting they should form a GUBBMENT?

freemasons are a biker gang

>be the US gov't
>creates minimum wage
>oh look! all these people with low value skills are unemployed! better give welfare bucks for dem votes instead of letting them improve themselves!
>creates tariffs and protectionism to help donors
>oh no, looks like we've got some monopolies raising prices on goods! better force every business in the country to subsidize all of their employees healthcare! what's that? companies are hiring fewer people and making them all work long hours?
>prohibits weed and drugs
>oh no, looks like people are forming cartels and growing gardens! time to create a trillion dollar police force to oppress the citizenry, just to make sure some nigger doesn't accidentally OD on heroin!