How do you come back to the "They aren't real

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>shoot him
>that wasn't a real bullet

Why do you argue with liberals in the first place?

point them toward that aussie muslim leader who says otherwise.
i forgot his name

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>>140216816

Says who? Are you the king of Muslims?

>>140216816

it appears there are a LOT of fake muslims then

>>140216944
imam tawhidi i think

"who are you to tell someone something they're not?"

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>>140216816
Well I'd say. "They believe in the same god, book, and values that all the 'real' muslims do. They use the teaching and apply it to themselves by interpreting it in the most literal way possible which shows how violent the quran is."

>>140216929
Sometimes its unavoidable
>>140216944
I know the guy Imam Tawhidi
>>140216988
There's a difference between Shi'ite and Sunni. Sunni are the 'peaceful ones'.

>>140216944
This. Also, does it or does it not state very clearly to kill non-believers and apostates? There's the answer. Context schmontext. In Islam, "Kill" means "kill" and "death" means "dead."

>>140216816
Not real communism
Not real fascism
Not real scotsman

>>140217174
>>140217175
yeah him, theres a good video he did where he goes through the 3 qurans and points the main parts out.

>>140216816
Ask them to explain the specifics of "real Muslims" and laugh at them when they try and make them out to be essentially the brown version of the family from 7th Heaven.

>>140216816
They are the real Muslims. The "moderates" are in reality dirty apostates who hate religion and only go along with it because if they don't they will be murdered by OP's pic related.

>>140216816
Why do you feel they aren't real Muslims. Do you have any knowledge of Islam?

>>140217271
>Not real scotsman
Thanks my man. Thats what I was thinking of this whole time.

>>140217462
Maybe you should examine the sticky m80

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>>140216816
>"They aren't real muslims"
Pull out your copy of the Quran and show them the verse that supports your arguement, pretty easy stuff

>>140216816

>those terrorists died for their allah, according to your quran 3: 169-170, they are the devout true believer and you're a wimpy pretender

>>140216816
Read the Koran and the Hadiths, (yeah, dont be afraid you wont turn into a mudslime because of that).
You will find that they ARE real muslims.
If anything they are even a bit too liberal compared to what their prophet did.

>>140217627
It can be easily refuted

The real ones are the ones who believe that violence won't solve anything.

The fake ones are the ones with even a single thought of violence in them which is around 95% of them.
(also, people of other religion and no religion have a lot of violence in them)

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>>140217625
What's that?

>>140216816
Always use their own logic against them.
Abortion bombers, inquisiton, crusades, etc weren't real Christians either.

>>140217719
Not really its pretty specific if you read it states to kill all nonbelievers otherwise if you wish to grant mercy they may pay an infidel tax or become your slave

>>140216816
The same way women use against rapist men - Imagine a bowl of candies. 10% of them are poisoned. Go ahead, eat a handful, not all candies are poison. #NotAllMen ... or Muslims

>>140217765
There were never any ((real)) christians except for like a century after christ's death.

Christianity was corrupted by adding Pagan influences into it to stop the Pagan vs Christianity riots tearing up Rome..

>>140217625
Its not on the sticky m88

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>>140217744
Not sure if bait or this new but here

>>140217174
Who says there's a difference between them?

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>>140217971

Sharia law is Islamic law.
It has one of the most radicals law inside of it.
So with that logic of OP Sharia isn't Islamic.

>>140218003
Oh shit now I see it.
>>140218047
Saying there's no difference between Sunni and Shi'ite is like saying there's no difference between Christianity and Catholicism.

>>140216816
Ask them if protestants aren't real Christians. They believe themselves to be "real" and that's all that really matters, from their point out what they actually mean is:
>That's not my interpretation
Which is a much weaker position. Not that it'll matter in the end, since anyone that come out with the "real" argument is probably too dumb to understand the difference anyway.

>>140216816
they are real muslims. isis is doing everything by the book, according to sharia law. our muslims(anatolian muslims) for example are not real muslims. they drink alcohol, sleep with people without getting married,have paganistic behaviour in dealing with daily life yet they call themselves muslims. isis is real islam and it's horrible. give them examples from sharia.

>>140216816
you can't
wahabism is NOT islam.
are you telling me that the gay scat community represent you ? same here the wahabi salafism is does not represent muslims.

remember, next time you want to know what real islam is. don't ask an actual sunni muslim, ask a white liberal woman living in L.A

>>140216816
Join the CIA?

>>140216816
You worship a literal pedophile.

Pretty simple.

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>>140218003
Shit man I'm not reading that give me a tl:;dr

>>140217704
Exactly this medbro knows
Little preview
5:51
Wie meinsch wirds usgseh ide schwitz? Mir sind schono sicher.

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>>140216816

>>140218356
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

The one on the sticky is a lot shorter though

>>140217844
Proofs?

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>>140217719
Learn to support and form your arguments better.

Anytime some dirty kaffir tries to tell you something, show them the verse in the Quran - are they going to say the word of Allah is wrong?

>>140216816
I don't remember exactly, but Islam has a sort of a rule, that no other muslim can doubt/argue how one understands and follows islam.

So, basially muslims can't say those jihadists are not real muslims.

>>140216816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

>>140216816
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8tFH5yIvsQ

show them this

>>140216816
You have to double down. Say something like they are as real as any other Muslim.
That kind of tactic is meant to put you on the defensive, afterwards your opponent can call into question your other points.
But really it's best to avoid the Muslim aspect altogether. Instead of saying Islam makes murderers, say that people from the third world aren't equipped to handle our ultra liberal lifestyle.

>>140218334
Proofs ?

>>140216816
I believe that the Koran actually forbids people to declare that someone else is not a muslim.

>>140218686
This, but the thing is isis call most muslims takfir, so theyre takfir themselves

>>140217174
>There's a difference between Shi'ite and Sunni. Sunni are the 'peaceful ones'.
I have never heard someone make that distinction. Iran/Iraq/Azerbaijan are the only Shia countries. Iran being the biggest one, and Iran hasn't done shit that wasn't deserved.

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>>140218471
That link gave my computer a virus

>>140218686
>the Koran actually forbids people to declare that someone else is not a muslim
Where in it does it say that?

>>140218820
They call them kaffir so they takfir.

The first result I found on google for those who ignore the prohibition of takfir.
http://www.islamopediaonline.org/fatwa/prohibition-takfir-muslim-calling-another-muslim-unbeliever

>>140218672
how about his marriage with aise, you'll probably tell me you dont believe in hadis don't you?

>>140216816
I dont, as any good shia i kill the takfiri islamists where they step

taquia

>>140219116
>bektashi
>beliving in h*diths
W E W

>>140219245
lol i'm not even muslim

>>140216816
>How do you come back to the "They aren't real muslims" argument?
says who?
when the leading Imams denounce the extremists as apostates and non-muslim then I might take some credence in the statement
>they aren't real muslims

But... that hasn't happened has it!

>>140219283
I can tell mr.Roach. Im bektashi

>>140216816

> Nazis aren't real Germans
> Israelis aren't real Jews, they live in a state, forbidden by the Torah
> Saudis aren't real Muslim, they're racist cucks

>>140219311
>shia & Sunni imams denounce isis since its start

>>140219336
no fucks given about what you are

Why the fuck do people have to denounce stuff. I don't see white people denouncing school shootings and shit.

>>140218499

47:4
So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled

>>140216816
They are

There is no such thing as «islamic extremist», those people actually follow what is written in the Koran

This is because Islam is a religion made for nomadic warrior people.

However there are a lot of moderate islamic, mainly because Islam as written cannot maintain stable civilised society and has to be diluted somewhat, but it is still at its core a religion for nomads.

For example, many like to say that islamic countries where at one point more advance than the west, and its true. The real question is: why did those societies stagnated?

And the only answer is Islam.

>>140219063
>Takfir or the condemnation of a Muslim by another Muslim as a kafir is strictly prohibited in the Quran, the Hadith, and the writings of many eminent Muslim authorities.

>According to the Quran, if a person says assalamu alaikum to us to indicate that he is a Muslim, we cannot say to him "you are not a believer.'' (4:94)

>The second thing we learn from this verse is that if, from among a non-Muslim people, a person addresses us by assalamu alaikum, that is sufficient proof that he is a Muslim. When such incidents took place during the Holy Prophet's life-time, sometimes it was suspected by some Muslims that such a person was not sincere. But the Holy Prophet would say to them: ``Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?''

>Thirdly, the verse cited above goes on to say: "You yourselves were like this before.'' That is, you too embraced Islam in this way, so what was sufficient for you is sufficient for them.

I am not a muslim and have not studied islam, but I was told this by a muslim and google seem to confirm this as true. Which is funny considering how the "respectable" muslims on TV always declare other muslims as being "not true muslims".

>>140219547
https://quran.com/9/27-39

>>140218647
Can you explain what is wrong with following one's Holy Book?
Wouldn't the truly extreme people be those who refuse the Holy Book, or only apply those parts which they believe exemplify the laws of their own personal god?
The West is more extreme than Islam in every way. Just look at the ideology of feminism and the cucked men who allow it.
(And the fag has a fascist flag...)

>>140216816
"not all muslims are terrorists, you're right, but all terrorists were muslims" is a good starter, it doesn't exactly answers the point but usually does the trick.
The real answer would be too redpill for normies.

>>140219547
https://quran.com/47/3-13

These were the entire verses

>>140219717
if your holy book tells you to jump down a bridge, will you follow it.

O wait I know the answers since that book also says that you'll get 72 virgins for it

>>140219759
Proofs ?

>>140219562
Yea, if someone says they are a muslim, it would be un-muslim to question their faith.

>According to the Quran, if a person says assalamu alaikum to us to indicate that he is a Muslim, we cannot say to him "you are not a believer.''
How to avoid an ISIS beheading 101

The problem with quoting the koran is that due to the doctrine of abrogation, practically any verse in the koran can be abrogated to no longer mean what it plainly says. Allah himself changes his mind in the Koran, so the Koran, being the literal word of god itself, can also have its meaning changed.

Ultimately what islam lacks is a sort of 'magisterium' like what catholics have the definitively rules on what is true and false regarding the religion. Any imam can make any fatwah, with the help of abrogration, saying whatever he wants to say. In centuries past it was the Caliph or the Ottoman Emperor who did this, but now there's nobody

>>140216816
Use the Koran and Hadiths to demonstrate that they are literally doing exactly what their religion tells them to.

>>140217174
The funny thing about "peaceful" Muslims is that they use the same source material as the Violent Jihadis, believe the same thing, but simply don't carry out these actions because someone else will do it for them.

>>140218287
Hungover as shit right now, but from my understanding Wahhabism was developed by modern, educated Islamic scholars... there are different sects, but they're all in agreement about a few things, and they're all distinctly Islamic.

>>140219701
>https://quran.com/9/27-39
>Then Allah will accept repentance after that for whom He wills; and Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Repenrance for whom he wills? Is that some kind of lottery?

The Bible and Quran are so full of arbitrary, that I don't get how people can find those books fair.

>>140216944
Imam of peace

>>140216816
Crusaders weren't real Christians then. And the Jews killed during the holocaust weren't real Jews either because reasons.

>>140220268
and hitler wasnt a real nazi

>>140218163
who says there's a difference between Islam and christianity?

>>140220380
O sheeeet radical centrist here in the house

you tell'em bro

>>140219997
All that means is that the closer you get to the end of the Koran, the more true it becomes.
The Koran follows the stages of Muhammad's life pretty well.
It starts out by preaching isolationism, then teaches violence upon those who criticize Islam as it grows followers(defensive Jihad), and finally it teaches offensive Jihad in order to make all religion for Allah.

The Hadiths are books meant to give context to the Koran and nearly 95% of Muslims observe the Hadiths,
Funnily enough, that's where a lot of the incredibly stupid shit is.

>>140216816
"HA HA HA, Muhammad was a pedophile! I guess he got tired of fucking camels!"

>>140216816
Study Islam and then ask them how much do they know about it.

>>140216816
Just say "how do you know, are you a Muslim?"

>>140220380
That's a Postmodernist, neoMarxist idea.
Congratulations, you're not original or clever.

The metrics by which to measure religion is its historical impact(did it help, stunt growth, or harm the following congregations). How many has the religion killed? Why were they killed? Was it doctrinal?

These are objective measures by which you will find that, despite both being religions, Islam and Christianity are NOT equivalent.

Fucking neoMarxists.

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>>140216816
>this stumps the mudslime

>>140216816
>How do you come back to the "They aren't real muslims" argument?

By educating yourself on Islam?

Nobody is reading Islamic texts that say "love people and be kind" and then twisting them to say murder people. Because Islamic texts don't say to be kind. Muslims are taking the literal interpenetration (as it should be)

When Muslims become "radicalized" they simply become more religious; they read more Islamic religious texts.

Groups like ISIS are pure Muslims as they read and follow Islamic versus more so than a "Western Muslim" who in reality is not a true Muslim.

They say ISIS "pervert Islam" when calling Islam a "religion of peace" is the actual perversion. This is the double think of the West. A total reversal of reality.

Islam was never called a "religion of peace" before around 15 years ago.

It's whole history is of war and conquering. People knew this up until recently.

If you can't answer people when they say to you "they are not real muslims" you simply don't understand nor are educated on Islam yourself.

The leader of Isis, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has qualifications in Islamic texts and had studied them. He's 1000% more of a pure Muslim than some white Western feminist who screams at you " not true Muslims"

-Christian guy here who grew up in an Islamic shit hole as a persecuted minority and had to study islam myself.

"Religion of peace" hah hah hah hahaha.

>>140216816
You don't belong in Europe.

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>>140220960

>>140220690
Who says neomarxism is real?

>>140220960
Based truth

>>140216816
with food analogies

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>>140219759
>>140219909
Most Muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslims.

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>>140220960
>The leader of Isis, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has qualifications in Islamic texts and had studied them. He's 1000% more of a pure Muslim than some white Western feminist who screams at you " not true Muslims"
This.

They're literally just practicing the Quran, to the letter as it was laid out by their perceived Prophet.

" ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The highest point in the town should be found and the homosexual should be thrown head first from it, then stones should be thrown at him.

Ibn ‘Abbaas derived this hadd punishment from the punishment that Allaah sent upon the homosexuals of the people of Loot.

Ibn ‘Abbaas is the one who narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) the words: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.” This was narrated by the authors of al-Sunan and was classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan and others. Imam Ahmad quoted this hadeeth as evidence, and its isnaad meets the conditions of al-Bukhaari."

>>140216816
>"those weren't weren't real police officers"

>>140221059
The main thing is to remember is that the Quran is not in chronological order.

Muslims will deceive people by cherry picking "nicer" verses. The thing is, the more tolerant part of the Quran is from when Muhammad was younger. Once he grew older and basically became a warlord, his words are full of death and violence. One part he is pretty much celebrating beheading all the men when they take over an area and by "men" we mean boys aged 14 or so upwards.

His later words obviously replace his earlier words.

If I say:

>come here, stop

People would stop as these are the final words.

>the bible had bad things too

The final words of Jesus are the better parts in the new testament so they replace the violence of the old testament.

It's the complete opposite in Islam.

Any argument people give you can easily be defeated.. not by tricks, lies or falsehoods; simply by the truth.

>>140216816
Terrorist enabler
Rape enabler
Genocide enabler
Traitor

>>140218434
This. The Muslims in my country hate each other, from Alawites to Sunni to Shia. They're all repugnant. Oh and they outnumber us Christians by a margin. Wew.

You just quote the kuran.

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>>140216816
Islam is retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw&list=PLuXxHEHGRVu-6qhBsggO3bADhPgU0levE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3f15NXrLI&list=PLuXxHEHGRVu8wafy5X1Ibv0bwMHRdj-Zo

>>140220960
The reason people don't "know" that Islam is a viscous death cult is because Islam has been given oppressed status in the west.

How?
Like this:
Postmodernism is a belief that there is no objective truth, that even if there is, then there is no way to find it using human cognition. Which means that everything is subjective. Since there is no truth, there is no right or wrong, moral relativism takes over. Since. there is no right or wrong, nothing is preferable to another thing, therefore everything is equivalent.
Here is where Marxism, more accurately neo-Marxism, comes in. So Marxism used to be based upon economic class warfare based on an oppressor/oppressed(bourgeoisie vs Proletariats) paradigm, when Marxists found that Communism had failed everywhere it had been tried and commies were vilified, they pulled a sleight of hand and modeled Marxism according to Postmodern ideals whereby, since everything is equivalent and nothing is preferable to another, any kind of representation discrepancy is the result of "systemic oppression" by overrepresented groups.

Now imagine you're looking at the Muslim population in the west, you find they represent a very small proportion of what it would take to get equal representation. Remember that historical precedence and actual doctrines don't matter to Neo-Marxists, everything is equivalent and nothing is preferable.
So they set their sights on the oppressor religion of Christianity, they are the reason Islam is underrepresented obviously.

You can't reason with these kinds of people.

>>140216816
They say they are. Why should I take your word against theirs?

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>>140216816
Daily reminder that Muslims would pose no threat to the US, and much less of a threat to Europe, without (((them)))

>>140220380
>>140221114
Just replying "Who says x" isn't an argument. Nor does it make you look smart

>>140222142
But that's the thing. Iran and Hezbollah hate Israel (most Arab nations do). How are (((they))) controlling them then? Like the Muslims want to kill Zionists, but isn't it (((them))) that are making the whole white genocide thing happen? I'm confused.

>>140216816
Orthodox are the real Jews
Jews are the real Muslims
Muslims are the real Catholics
Catholics are the real Protestants
Protestants are the real Athiests
Athiests are the real Orthodox

>>140221114
Neo-Marxism is a redefined set of Marxist ideals.
While Marxism was about class warfare through oppressor/oppressed paradigms, Neo-Marxism sets up oppressor/oppressed paradigms along any kind of social, racial, religious etc. group.
Postmodernism was the key to keeping Marxism alive. Because Postmodernism asserts that there is no objective reality, everything is equivalent, and nothing is preferable to another, then it follows that any kind of population discrepancy or privilege afforded to any group is the result of exploitation or systemic oppression.

That's Neo-Marxism.

>>140218249
One simple example that you're bs'ing and don't know what you're talking about. There's no place under Sharia law that allows execution by burning someone alive. And yet, we know of the incidence from last year where ISIS burnt someone alive.

>>140222013
I think (even people on pol) would still feel a little uncertain calling out Islam for fear of being called a bigot, an Islamaphobe etc.

It's not like debating racial differences though, which would be much more difficult.

It's very simple once people understand Islam. Then people will feel confident to debate anyone because people should see it as calling out a child rapist and a murderer. People would speak out about that in full conviction and belief and that's what they should do about Islam.

The West needs to see the victims of Islam (women, gays and so on) as the oppressed group and not the Muslims.

>you can't call isis true muslims because you are not an islamic scholar

>a western leader said islam is a religion of peace so it must be true.. oh it doesn't matter said leader isn't an islamic scholar either, nor ever read an islamic text

There is just going to be no turning back from civil war at this point imo.

"Yes they are"

>>140222520
Are there actually trees in your country? That's pretty sweet as far as flags go.

>>140222142
Both are enemies. Muslims would still be on the planet. Islam hasn't posed a threat to the West for hundreds of years because of Western technological advancements. If Muslims still exist they are going to get nuclear at some point.

Their holy book doesn't allow them to leave you alone. Ever.

>>140216816
isnt that a textbook "no true scotsmen" argument?

>>140222520
I just read you have 1000 year old cedars. Washingotn sold all of it's ancient cedar to japan years ago. They sank the logs and sell it at top yen now.

>>140222337
Who says I'm replying?

>>140216816
Read the Q'ran. If justifications are found then they are muslims, no matter how you try to twist it.

Same with any religion. People who follow the book belong to that religion. It doesn't matter how unconvinient it is for other cultures. You can believe in God without an instruction book, if you associate yourself with a religious group you should know exactly what you're doing.

>>140217987
Is the the infamous Australian shitposting

>>140222729
I understand, I've had these "debates" over Islam with people before.
The best they can do is use fallacies and I get a lot of Ad Hominem.

The problem is that modern academia(humanities and social "sciences") doesn't function on normal human principles that were founded in the Enlightenment era and born out of Judeo-Christian and Greco-Roman. Mass-Murder, pedophilia, enslavement, etc does not matter to these people unless it is happening to an oppressed group by an oppressor group.
These professors were taught by their Marxist teachers and their Marxist teachers before them and they pass it onto their students(these are the people we debate). When people say that communists aren't human, they are basically right.

>>140216816
Say that mohammad (piss be upon him) was also a warmonger who did the same brutal attacks on other civilizations to spread his own religion and that he would definitely approve of what they're doing

>>140222933
Look up the Cedar trees in Lebanon. And we have a lot of trees. Unfortunately most of them are being cut down to make room for construction. The Cedar's are holding out, kind of.

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>>140216816
>no true scotsman
>every version of one religion thinks they're the true scotsman
You should state that arguing religious preference is like arguing opinion and makes no goddamn sense.

>>140223094
Yep.

>>140216816
>Real communism has never been tried

>>140223649
It makes sense by objective metrics, unless you mean arguing within a religion itself where all sects use basically the same doctrine, in which case it is pointless.
The doctrine has an objective or allegorical meaning in some form so there is a correct way to conform a religion around that doctrine.

Now arguing between religions, that matters because there are many metrics by which you can measure the value of a religion as long as you remember the one purpose in life is to reproduce and everything humanity has ever done for the most part was to increase the success of offspring. You can measure success under a religion's dominance in countries, use death tolls as a metric, use the doctrine itself to decide if it's beneficial.

>>140219957
You think those blood crazed goat fuckers would actually listen to reason?

I've been getting some really weird captchas

>>140219412
Denounced it's legitimacy as a rightful Islamic movement.

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>>140216816
>THEY AREN'T REAL MUDSLIMES

DON'T TELL ME

TELL THEM

>>140224113
They wouldn't.
Even if you did survive, they'd strap a bomb to you, tell you you're a martyr for Allah, and blow up a bunch of innocent people through you.
Something you probably didn't want to do, but you were a captive.

>>140216816
Islam has been a religion of conquest from the beginning and has tried conquering Europe several times.

The moderate Muslims have chopped the Koran in half and essentially pick and choose to fit into a liberal western society.

Even if 10% of Muslims support Isis, that's over a hundred million.

Large swaths of Muslims in the west still sympathise with anti liberal parts of the Koran, such as sharia.

focus on muhammad himself.
the man was a terrible person. muslims idolize him, and are supposed to imitate him. It's a personality cult. They cannot deny that muhammad was the 'perfect man,' even though he was a criminal.

>>140224081
Yeah, in that whole catholics vs protestant argument, there are valid points on both sides. Catholics don't like how protestants are too unorganized. The biblical argument is that "the holy ghost does not interrupt himself". Protestants don't like the "good person" doctrine. The argument is that "you are not judged in heaven by your works."

>>140216816
>James Fields isn't a real white supremacist.
Or, more generally
>X (hated person) isn't a real Y (hated concept)

Their only recourse to this is to
>admit their double standard and double down on their claim
or
>admit that you have a point and are therefore the superior chad

>>140219550
>This is because Islam is a religion made for nomadic warrior people.
You're making a good case for yourself, it literally says it's made for all people till the end of time. Stop mistaking Judaism and Christianity with Islam.

>>140216816
It's the muslim culture. More inclusive

>>140224792
Did James have a manifesto available to read?

>>140223678
Do you consider yourself Arab or Lebanese/Phoenician or what?

>>140225545
Dunno, I don't think so. Why?

>>140220960
t. Muslim

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>they aren't real alt-right

>>140225873
Well Lebanon is an Arab country. By definition then if you identify as Lebanese then you are an Arab. I'm Australian Lebanese. Considering my parents are Lebanese I'm more Lebanese (Arab) than Australian obviously. Did that clear things up?

>>140216816
Says who? Why is your interpretation of Islam less "real" than that of ISIS?

>>140221722
Muhammad S.W.S was revealed the Quran when was already an old what.

That some nice research you've done there buddy.

The thing is that those people who say "isis are not real muslims" are infact not true muslims because they live sinful lives. Even if there is some diversion in ISIS teachings they are still much much closer to the real muslims from 1000 years ago then the normal muslim today.

The thing is that even the moderate sinful muslims today is still not compitable with our teachings and way of life. On the other hand we should be happy that there aren't many "true" muslims out there because it will be a mess.

>>140217719
It can only be refuted through reformist arguments but reformist Muslims are to Islam what Protestants are to Catholics.

Saying ISIS aren't real Muslims is the same as saying Catholics aren't real Christians.

>>140226052
To understand his motive.
As I recall reading he had mental health issues.

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>>140226220
I don't believe you guys are Arab. Your Phoenician/Lebanese identity has been destroyed through Arab immigration. I'm Maltese which is a Mediterranean/European country and Lebanese are similar to us.

Bridgette Gabriel did a video about the fall of Lebanon to Arab Muslim invaders.

>>140226504
I didn't read much about it honestly, it was nothing but a source of memes for me.

>>140216816

There's no more powerful level of privilege than to think you can tell the brown people how their own faith works.

Basically, just call them racist. Liberal ivy-tower types can't handle being told they're internalizing their own upper-class, sheltered worldview and presenting themselves as the typical 'white savior of the savage races.'

>>140217174
>Sunnis are the peaceful ones
Now that's rich considering they make up 90% of all muslims

>>140216816
Their beliefs are in the Quran, plain as day. They are only following what is written in their own holy text. It is just most muslims don't because they know they will get fucked by state security forces.

>>140217719
Why don't you give it a go, then?

look up what islamic jurisprudence is.

if you argue that terrorists are representative of Islam they can point out that the majority of scholars condemn isis and al quaeda

however if you bring up islamic jurisprudence rulings from the hanafi , hanbali, shafi and maliki schools of sunni islam, like for example killing muslims who convert away to other religions, you can authoritatively claim that most mainstream muftis, clerics, ulama will not condemn rulings from islamic jurisprudence and actually support it.

also use
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

look for example of the % of muslims who want sharia law to replace their legal system
and then the % of those muslims who believe that apostates from islam should be killed

>>140217174
>Sunni are the 'peaceful ones'.
Sounds like something a Sunni pig would say.

>>140226715
Yeah, basically it was likely not a premeditated incident, but it was briefly able to get "Right Wing" rallies, which already had problems getting permits from cities, labeled as white supremacist rallies in the media.
They had a field day with it and dishonestly lumped the two officers killed in a helicopter crash in with that commie chick who died.

>>140216816
They both get the bullet in ww3.

>>140226978
Apostate killings in Islam is the law of the land in every Islamic country.

>>140226343
Old man*

>>140226343
The oldest Koranic source material we have was written anywhere from 40-100 years after Muhammad died.

>>140226767
>>140226979
Clearly they interpret the Quran differently. Not all Christians are part of Westboro, not all Muslims are part of ISIS?

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>>140216816
>"They aren't real muslims"
I'm not a "real" nazi

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>>140216816

>>140217174
You're blatantly lying, post your address and I'll rpae you till death. Fucking abo, queer British exiled criminal, NiggerPaki hybrid.

I'm surprised we're having a civilized conversation without calling each other faggots

>>140217174
Sunnies are the violent ones nigga, they destory everything that's christian and beat up people.
You won't see that from the shia, they respect christianity especially orthodox.
Also 99% of the terrorists in the past few decades are sunni muslims.

>>140227143
actually it's only part of the official legal system.
in about 6 muslim countries.
and in another 12 it's just inprisonment.

see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#/media/File:Apostasy_laws_in_2013.SVG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#Apostasy_in_the_recent_past

if we get sloppy with our facts it makes our side look weaker

>>140216816
Muslims are not real humans.

>>140227317
>everything is subject and up to interpretation dude Xd
The Hadiths give context to the Koran and given that the vast majority of Muslim Scholars rate a few of the Hadiths as "strong", then it stands to reason that most Muslims are following their Imam's interpretation, who are in tune following prominent scholars.
There is no peaceful interpretation of the Koran.

I show them the quran

>>140227808
>implying people read these days

>>140216816
It's not an argument, it's a fallacy known as "no true scotsman"

>>140216816
Point out the things in the quran and the hadith that sand nigger Muhammad and his companions did and ask if they were real mudslimes

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>>140216816
>the fake muslims calling real muslims not real muslims because they don't abide by their reformation that never happened

>>140227751
Noice. I like it. I really haven't got shit to come back to that with.

>>140226553
Really? That's really cool. Unfortunately Lebanon has become a total shit hole, concerning it's politics, economics, business, and the overall "feel" for the country.

>>140216816
It's almost literally a "no true scottsman" fallacy

>"muslims are a peaceful people"
>*show examples of Islamic terrorism*
>"not real muslims, they have been oppressed and corrupted the teachings of muhammad"
>*explain the muslim conquests*
>"not real islam"
>repeat forever

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>>140228033
https://youtu.be/-54P02dUd_E
Take back your country

>>140227676
>just inprisonment

>>140227660
They're all shit. Just because the Shia haven't killed anyone doesn't mean that they won't do it in the future. For example, Hezbollah wants to convert Lebanon into an Islamic Republic, bringing Khomeinism along with it. If he isn't allowed to do that, do you think he'll just acquiesce? Of course not. All sects of Islam are complete garbage.

>>140227702
top kek

>>140228296
Oh the days, we can't do that if our president is too much of a pussy to do anything. After the Civil War, all militias (except Hezbollah) were forcibly disarmed. I wonder why? Hezbollah runs the country, not our president.

>>140227265
The Quran was being written at the time of the profit. Even though it mostly spread as a vocally, he set up people who could read write to, write the Quran. Which led to the reason of why there ended up being so many false 'translations' of the Quran at the time of the 3rd Caliph.

>>140216916
Dwop the awp noob, pick up a weal gun!

>>140228385
Not trying to defend shias at all just saying that they are the lesser evil from the two. If i had to chose between sunnies and shias i will choose tha shia. Same goes for Hezbollah>>>>>>ISIS

Btw are you christian Lebanese? I know that you guys are like 50%-50% (muslims-christians) and christains are going down really fast. If i am not mistake muslims were a really small population comapred to the christian one 50-60 years ago?

>>140216816
Hitler wasn't a real Nazi.

>>140227143
The mufti/kazi/qazi decides the punishment. It can range up to a death penalty, depending on how the judge rules it.

>>140227751
Then give an example where it clearly says just kill people. No buts, if or any restrictions or conditions.

>>140227852
Is that why the thread is mostly filled simplistic argument except a few.

>>140229329
Don't worry about it. Yes I am Christian Lebanese, and you are correct about the staistics. Christians dominated Lebanon and we took up a large portion of the population. The civil war happened, a lot of Christians and Muslims left, but Christians were the majority who left as well. Christians take up around 41% percent of population, the rest being Muslims, Druze, and other religious or irreligious groups, with the Muslims being the majority of course.

>>140219283
My beautiful Turkish brother, that makes two of us!

>>140221863
Stop lying. You're falling for Jewish tricks you fucking kike lover

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>>140216816
>How do you come back to the "They aren't real muslims" argument?
Islam is Islamism at rest
Islamism is Islam in action

>>140229971
Sad tbqh, are they peaceufl at least or cause problems?

Also since we are on thread for muslims i would like to thank Switzerland, Italy and Germoney for taking most of our gypsies and albanians <3

>>140230962
How am I falling for tricks when I can see this shit happening everyday?

Also, fuck Israel and (((them))). Believe me, don't believe me, I couldn't care less.

>>140231434
Yeah they are peaceful. It's a common misconception to think that we are at each other's throats every day, especially if I made it seem that way, I apologise then. Does that mean that it will remain like this? Of course not.

>>140231735
>Does that mean that it will remain like this? Of course not.
What do you mean by that

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>>140216816
ISIS are the real muslims. They are followers of Mohammad, who was a murderous, paedophilic, rapist warlord. Read about his life. Everything they do is justified explicitly by the quran and hadiths. It is the moderates who are not real muslims. Do you ever hear moderate muslims justifying their beliefs with scripture, like Christians do? Using scripture to counter the terrorists? No, because they know they cannot win a debate based on scripture with muslim fundamentalists.

Islam has been in the spotlight for more than 15 years. Do you know a single thing about it? Do you know any of Mohammad's teachings? You know all about Jesus. He preached peace and love for three years then died on the cross and was resurrected. Love they neighbour. Love thy enemies. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Put up thy sword. Etc, etc, etc. Do you know a single thing about what Mohammad preached or his life? Why aren't muslims teaching us about this to prove that it really is a religion of peace? Because they know all he preached was rape, murder and conquest of non-muslims and tyranny by sharia. That's what he did in his life. That's what he commanded muslims to do after his death.

Tl;dr: learn the verses that ISIS use to justify their satanic practices and quote them back. Teach them about the life of Mohammad. This kills the liberal.

>I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Quran 8:12

>The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
Bukhari 52:260 (imagine having to read 260 verses of this satanic garbage)

>Abstain from sex, except with the captives whom your right hand possesses - for, in their case, you are free from blame.
Quran 23:1-6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

>>140220135
they are only modern in time , but they resurrected the old teaching of Ibn Taymia. and the british used them with the help of th Saudi to destabilize the Hijaz. they hijacked sunnism and killed thousands of muslims

>>140232129
And most of the soldiers of DAESH are nafris

>>140216816
Muhammad is as perfect as men can be according to Islam.
If it's something Muhammad did, it's true islam.

>>140217155

The same god all Abrahamics believe in, all based on the old jew books, pretty much the same values.

All are violent degenerates incompatible with modern civilisation.

>>140224467
>Islam has been a religion of conquest from the beginning and has tried conquering Europe
>Irony
Oh and Christianity hasnt? Christianity literally conquered Europe when it was mostly pagan long before Islam and the crusades. Not to mention all the colonization and forcing Christianity on the natives

>>140216816
calling another muslim infidel or apostate is the worst thing a muslim can do. It's calling for the death penalty. Only cuck liberals toss out the "no true scotsman" arguments.

>>140216816
Watch Hitchens ask the "Who are the real Muslims" question.

I suppose today the response would be some smiley faced random migrant who makes coffee

Then you ask "Who says they're real muslims? Who has authority?" and then the argument descends into chaos

>>140232946
Settle down, Cletus.

>>140232333
this
based digits confirm

>>140232333
I'm not going to look for those verses, but your last point about concubines I will say something. A concubine in terms of rights and respect is treated exactly as a wife, the difference being she isn't given the name of a wife. If she births a child, the child is considered a legitimate offspring too, and by law they will treated equally as their siblings. Pretty much all of the caliphs of the Abbasid dynasty (maybe or the umayyid, can't remember exactly) were sons from concubines.

>>140216916
fpbp

>>140232615
No, he is the perfect human being.

>>140232946
Except that for most Abrahamic religions, the old testament has been largely discarded.

Unfortunately, the Quran is essentially Old Testament 2: Electric Boogaloo meets Rambo.

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>>140232977
Name a single European national leader that did not convert to Christianity willingly and peacefully based on preaching by word. Christianity conquered Europe by word of mouth because it was perceived to be the truth and Christian society proved to be preferable to pagan.

>>140218434
dumb image, doesn't appreciate the fact that different sects might agree on certain principles or issues and express collective outrage on that basis.

allahu akhbar

>>140231971
Dude just look at what happened with the borders and Hezbollah. What gave him the right to negotiate a truce with them? Better yet, what gave him the right to initially fight them at the borders? What gave them the right to fight in Syria? Hezbollah is ruling this country, not the president. The army was supposed to deal with ISIS INITIALLY. The fact that no uproar was made actually against Hezbollah in Lebanon tells you pretty much everything. He claims to be the protector of Lebanon, alright fine. That is not his job though. That's the army's job. The only thung I agree with them is that of the Zionists and how they should be eradicated. That's where our mutuality ends I'm afraid. How long before Hezbollah (or Amal or any Muslim party) runs for president? They already outnumber us Christians. What's stopping them from taking over the country? Hezbollah and Amal are already stronger than the army, and the Christian militias are shadows of their former selves.

>>140234007
>I'm going to ignore the bad stuff you wrote, but let me focus on the red herring

Taqiyya to you too my friend

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>>140234007
Captives, not concubines.

>Cardiff imam: "Women will be taken as captives, as slaves, yeah, women will be taken as slaves. And then, er, her master has relations with her because this is permissible in Islam, it’s permissible to have relations with a woman who is your slave."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716280/Yes-boys-sex-slaves-Outrage-British-Muslim-cleric-mosque-Cardiff-jihadis-radicalised-tells-teenagers-captives-permissible-Islam.html

>Yazidi sex slave: "He said that raping me is his prayer to god."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/he-said-that-raping-me-is-his-prayer-to-god

>>140221722
>jesus replaced the old testament
>not knowing about Matthew 5:17-18

>>140234367
Jesus never to get rid of the OT. It was your pagan scholars whom ignored and twisted his message. He was meant for the jews and jews only. And he never contradicted the OT, instead he encouraged and reduced the extreme thinking the jews had at that. Eg. jews believed in eye for an eye because it's an easy method punishment for a nomadic tribe, instead Jesus never said not to follow but taught the victims to "turn the other cheek".

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>>140234771
You are the one who doesn't know about Matthew 5:17-18. Let me teach you Christianity 101 since you have been divorced from knowledge of it by your jewish masters.

>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
>For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

>I am...come...to fulfill
>till all be fulfilled

Jesus's final words on the cross:
>After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be FULFILLED, saith, I thirst. Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Do you understand now?

>>140234548
Nah senpai, you're points are straight up stupid and not original so I'm not going to waste my time looking at those. If you take a couple minute to google you'll hundred of answers to them. Give me something different, like that concubine example.

Tldr; I'm not repeating the same shit over and over again, it's boring. Give me something different.

>>140235004
See >>140235310

>>140218397
>Wie meinsch wirds usgseh ide schwitz? Mir sind schono sicher.
Ich hab keine Ahnung was du redest du elender Bergjude.
Ich Komme aus Deutschland um euch aus der abtrünnigen süd-westlichen Provinz des deutschen Reiches wieder heim ins Rech zu holen.

>>140235337
Taqiyya to you too friend.

>I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Quran 8:12

>The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
Bukhari 52:260 (imagine having to read 260 verses of this satanic garbage)

>Abstain from sex, except with the captives whom your right hand possesses - for, in their case, you are free from blame.
Quran 23:1-6

>>140216816
>No true Scotsman fallacy

What more do you need to say?

>>140235337
>like that concubine example
What are you talking about "concubine"? It clearly says in the quran "captive," sex slave. That is what imams literally preach and what ISIS practices. >>140234616

>>140216916
Idiot lefty: "They aren;t real muslims because they didn't follow the real ideology"

Me: "He wasn't a real police officer because he didn't follow the police officer rules..."

Narrated Abu Qilaba: "Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut off their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." (Sahih Bukhari, Ablutions (Wudu'), Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234)"
>He then ordered to cut off their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron

What quaint and charming customs.

>>140234616
You don't have sex with slaves, you have sex with concubines. Slaves actually had some rights. Don't assume American tier slavery existed everywhere.
>raping me is his prayer to god
In a religion where 2 consenting mature people can't have sex outside wedlock, and is punishable from lashes to death depending situation. But rape, nah that's A OK mate.

>>140235533
May not work on the uneducated, follow this up by listing the hadiths that prescribe violence against the non-muslim and make it clear the violent ones are truer to their faith than the taqiyya sleepers.

>>140216816
Imams support ISIS.

Enough said.

>>140235912
>Cardiff imam: "Women will be taken as captives, as slaves, yeah, women will be taken as slaves. And then, er, her master has relations with her because this is permissible in Islam, it’s permissible to have relations with a woman who is your slave."
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716280/Yes-boys-sex-slaves-Outrage-British-Muslim-cleric-mosque-Cardiff-jihadis-radicalised-tells-teenagers-captives-permissible-Islam.html

>Yazidi sex slave: "He said that raping me is his prayer to god."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/he-said-that-raping-me-is-his-prayer-to-god

Mohamed ws very affectionate towards his gradson, Hassan:
Hadith Lesson of the Month:

“And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.”

Hadith Number 16245, Volume Title: “The Sayings of the Syrians,” Chapter Title: “Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan”:

“I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart and kissed his (little) penis

Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي

رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
translated into English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”

Related by Al-Tabarani and it’s authentication is fully validated by Islamic scholars.

Hussein and Hassan is not the same name, so clearly this is of two accounts and he kissed more than one penis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Q6DtfUynQ

If Hitchens were alive he'd be the most famous speaker on 4chan, they'd hate him cause he's not religious, but his arguments would coincidence with 4chan belief more than Peterson who doesnt dabble in condemnation of any religion

>>140235469
That doesn't explain shit nigga. I still see as him saying not to change/edit anything from before. You literally quoted the verse I was thinking of.
>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Also how do you expect a non-Christian to understand stuff just from random out of context quotes without explanations. I may not have quoted anything yet, but I've made sure to explain what's going on.

>>140217091
This. This this this this this.
"I thought you were against discrimination? I thought you were against telling people that they cannot be what they claim that they are?"

OR

"So if they aren't real Muslims, does that mean all these 'transgendered' people aren't real men/women?"

Mohammed was a pedo, Aisha was six when he married her

>>140235682
So your only problem with what I said was with the word concubine?

>>140236414
You should have your IQ tested mate.

In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

>if you be nice to muslims theyll leave you alone and just be really nice to you too :D

>>140236704
Yes. Because yazidi sex slaves and little English girls are not concubines. They are rape victims.

>>140236558
B-but it was d-different then
Muhh Muhammad was the best of all men HURRRRR

>>140236068
You don't have sex with slaves, you have sex with concubines. Slaves actually had some rights. Don't assume American tier slavery existed everywhere.
>raping me is his prayer to god
In a religion where 2 consenting mature people can't have sex outside wedlock, and is punishable from lashes to death depending situation. But rape, nah that's A OK mate.

>>140236749
>inconclusive

>>140236955
Shame they don't have the right not to be raped.

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>>140232946
Pic related is what happens when you become radicalised by Christianity.

>>140216816
because as a non muslim clearly i am an authority on what does and doesn't constitute a muslim and what constitutes a muslim is whatever's good for my agenda.

>>140216816
No real Scotsman fallacy

>>140235854
Well the people committed a crime by killing the camel shepard and they were dealt according to the sharia. I'm nor a scholar so I can't comment on fiqh.

>>140216816
>How do you come back to the "They aren't real muslims" argument?

My response has always been as follows:
Baghdadi,the head of ISIS, has a PhD in Islamic Studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad. You know more about Islam than he does?

>>140236165
How authentic are they. I've never heard those. I've heard many involving both imam Hassan and husain but not those.

>>140236749
I was in the mid/high 130's, don't remember the exact number it was a few years back.

>>140237897
So tragic. Those poor fuckers.

>>140235854
>be arab
>provide hospitality
>the guests dismiss it
>???

>>140236843
Slaves are slaves, rape victims are rape victims. Did the English lose a war against a rightful caliphate for those girls to become POW?

>>140237044
Lel, nice work there buddy. Got nothing to say go back down to your level of shit smearing.

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>>140238817
Ok sorry. I will explain Christianity.
>God creates universe
>Universe is good
>God creates man
>Man has free will (a good thing)
>But man is also free to commit evil and does so
>God creates the Law (Mosaic) in order to teach people right and wrong in black and white
>(Law also has numerous ritual and time-specific rules because reasons)
>Man breaks the Law anyway, because no one's perfect
>Punishment for breaking Law is death
>God doesn't want us to just be evil and die, because he loves us
>But the Law is the Law, someone must be punished, otherwise justice is not served
>God becomes man, teaches man how to follow the Law, and sacrifices himself, thus FULFILLING the law, in order to save man from Law
>Once fulfilled, old law "passes"
>Old law abolished (especially ritual and time-specific rules), new, more spiritual law instituted (Christianity)
>While he is alive, he also teaches people how to be good through words and actions
There is much more detail, but this is the basic narrative arc.

>>140239712
Can you explain what this Cardiff imam meant please?

>Cardiff imam: "Women will be taken as captives, as slaves, yeah, women will be taken as slaves. And then, er, her master has relations with her because this is permissible in Islam, it’s permissible to have relations with a woman who is your slave."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3716280/Yes-boys-sex-slaves-Outrage-British-Muslim-cleric-mosque-Cardiff-jihadis-radicalised-tells-teenagers-captives-permissible-Islam.html

>>140218356
Why does nobody call out newfags like this anymore?

>>140238248
What about "Allah, the merciful"?
>>140238602
Authenticated by Al Tabrani or whatever
>>140239023
>be arab
>provide camel piss to drink for hospitality
>act suprised when somebody gets the hump and steals the camels instead

>>140235707
Underrated

>>140216816
Ask if the guys holding tiki torches at Charlottesville were real white identitarians.

Christianity is against murder, so do you think that the Crusaders are Christians? I mean, they are going against the pacifist teachings of Christ, so haven't they forfeit their Christianity?

Obviously the Crusaders were still Christians, just like violent Islamists are still Muslims.

>>140241044
If man is not perfect, does that mean that God isn't perfect, since man was created in God's image?

>>140241512
Too many of them. You call them out and they say something retarded like you're a fag.

I miss old pol where I was one of the dumb ones

>>140216816
>How do you come back to the "They aren't real muslims" argument?
Why are they "not real" only after they have blown themselves and others up? They were real leading up to it.

>>140216816
Ah. I pin this silly gambit with: "Africans then. I fucking despise all africans, regardless of creed."

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>>140216816
Basically this.

>>140242350
God defines and is the definition of what is perfect.

>>140219701
Repentance? What if disbelievers don't repent? Why do they need to repent?

>>140242680
Ah.

>>140219759
But all the terrorists in muh 80s flicks were commies

>>140216816
I say read the fucking Quran and compare Jesus's life to that of Muhammad