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Russian government LITERALLY promotes marriages between russian

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Russian government LITERALLY promotes marriages between russian girls and men of other ethnicities (mostly muslims from the Caucasus region), they put huge billboards that say how normal and natural such relationships are all over the streets of our cities.

What about your country? Does that happen in your country?
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>>140108287
constantly on tv, and most adverts have a mixed race person
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[ХAЧED]
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>>140108287
Why? What is the gain of having more muslims?
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>>140108287
>>140108445
don't russian guys also marry women of other ethnicities?
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>>140108287
Look Ivan, those two slavs are ugly in different ways, but they are still two slavs.
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>>140108809
>Central Asian
>Slav

Just how retarded are you?
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>>140108287
So burn the sign down if you have any balls.

If you won't, you clearly just not care that much.
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>>140108975
The dude is Finnish, not Central Asian.
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>>140108809
t. American mongrel
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Race mixing promotion is real bad in the US. Just about every government PSA or campaign advertisement with a couple in it is race mixed and don't even get me started on Hollywood.
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>>140108287
>that roach face
Disgusting
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>>140108287
mostly tv commercials, seems >>140108426 (((they))) use it as a common tactic
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>>140108287
They even force schoolkids to draw such pictures.
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>>140112495
The nose knows.
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>>140108287
I don't watch tv since 6 years ago, but this country is in the western sphere so miscegenation is in the package.
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>>140108287
Seems like 90% of commercials show a black man with a white woman even though they make up like 3% of marriages.
Kikes need to burn.
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I don't have problems with that, they this is in some Tatarstan, Mordovia, Udmurtia, or other shithole
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>>140108755
no sane woman would ever marry a pathetic loser aka average russian man. there are very few exceptions
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>>140108628
pootin totally loves muslims and they love him back, always vote for him and support him

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-14/russia-s-alternative-universe-immigrants-welcome
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>>140108287
I thought that man could have been Russian. What does the average real Russian man look like now?
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>>140113710
>baiting this hard
Only trash tier women go for shitskins in Russia. The decent ones and better go for Russians, Westerners, and Armenians.

t. Armenian chad
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>>140108287
But how can that be if Vladimir Putin labeled Chechnya and essentially all Muslims of the Caucasus as terrorists and therefore enemies of Russia?
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>>140109223
it's not america, anon. for doing such thing you can get a life sentence in the dictatorship of russia, not to mention those signs are all over the city anyway
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>>140113833
this, hes anti russian cuck

i am from Moscow btw
the 1 september there was kurban bairam

HOLY FUCK HOW MANY OF THEM ARE HERE

and literally 99% of Russians HATE THEM ALL

but PUTINs goverment defend this churkas
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>>140108287

Funny thing is everybody take this as a joke. 90% of people here are racist as fuck. In a good way. If there is any good way of being racist. (wtf did I just said)
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>>140113944
i am not baiting and we both know that. also i really doubt you are armenian
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>>140108287
> that fetal alcohol syndrome
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>>140113975
he did not. pootin is riding kadyrov's cock with a great pleasure
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>>140108287
They are more into faggotry here.
Where did it all go so wrong?
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>>140114365
>implying Vova can't curbstomp some goatfuckers
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>>140108287
There are nearly no blacks here in Chile, so the only shitskin we can consider to have are people from haiti
No much racemixing media her neither
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That's right Slavcucks let based Chechens fuck your women or they gonna behead you 1994 Grozny style cuki

Putinka knows this very well that's why he sucks Kadirov's dick like a good slav(e)
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>>140108287
>>140112495
What the actual fuck? Is this real?
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>>140114373
Euromaidan was a mistake.
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>>140114211
>Funny thing is everybody take this as a joke.
nobody takes it as a joke
>90% of people here are racist as fuck.
bullshit

seriously, your attempts to make russia appear le based and redpilled are pathetic
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>>140114043
What do you think would happen for doing the same in America, really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5hgo1p8ePU
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>>140114373
so European
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>>140114416
pootin is in love with muslims
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>>140114261
I am though
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>>140114373

All faggots in the picture are white. Oh (you), cunning Taras.
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>>140114481
it is
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>>140114043
>Muh consequences
So, spineless apathetic faggot?
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Rus I am shok. I thought your white nac's where on Putins side? Well, atleast yr still nohomo?

... The plot thikens.
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>>140114644
they'd force the guy who did it to a few dollars, that's it
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>>140114608

I didn't say that, but churka-hate is real and wide spread. 90% of fathers and mothers would not be happy with husband having that guys heritage.
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LE p*tin LE WHITE SAVIOUR PLEASE CLAP FOR BAYSD p*tin PLEASE NOW*
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>>140114681
They are useful lapdogs. Once their use has ended, you can bet your ass on a third Chechnya war.
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>>140114373
promotion of homosex is not that bad
either you are a fag or not
no propaganda can change those things
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>>140108287
>tfw you will never dance lezginka to attract a 14 year old Russian qt.
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>>140114608
It's true in my experience. Where are you from?
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>>140108287
>Western Europe gets [ARAB'ED]
>Russia gets [CAUCASUS'ED]
>America gets [HISPANIC'ED]
Is there literally any place left in the world where the white man is safe?
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>>140114744
Haven't seen any of these billboards in my area.
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>>140114893
if it will be georgian or armeian the numbers should be near 25%
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>>140114948
>literally "love trumps hate"
My sides.

Get your shit together Ukraine.
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>>140108287
This is what /pol/acks don't realize.
I was born in 1980 and remember Soviets in Poland.
Soviet Russia was always big on multi-ethnicity and Russian Empire wasn't an ethno-state. Russia idea of state is multi-ethnic although with Russians in charge.
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>>140114893
>churka-hate is real and wide spread.
not it isn't. most people simply don't give a shit
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>>140114373
> Ukraine

Option A
> niggers
> Mudslime
> SJW's
> fag parade
> BLACKED
> economic and political irrelevance
> Vassal status
> Wars in the Middle East
> Jews
> Femenism
> Degeneracy
> slight increase in shekel
> Demographic collapse
Option B
> Mudslimes
> foreign occupation
> guerilla warfare
> alcoholism
> vassal status
> corruption
> Demographic collapse
> degeneracy
> Jews
> economic and political irrelevance
> Wars in the Middle East
> slight decrease in shekel
> Chechen Sharia law

decisions..decisions
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>>140115032
Israel
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>>140115109
I take it you haven't visited us, Hans.
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>>140115058
Probably propaganda run by the same people.
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>>140114907
lmao no. they are his main electorate along with those who benefits from corruption
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>>140115109
It's full of semitic Juden (the cute and intelligent Euro-Jews go to the US), they are not white.
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>>140115065
this idea is called empire, czyztof
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>>140114896
jews>>>>>>>>muslims anyway
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>>140113944
>Armenians
>not shitskins
Although I know an Armenian girl with light brown hair and blue eyes who looks 100% Russian but speaks with that heavy Armenian woman voice lmao
Also love the pork shawarma that you guys make
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>>140115222
Just ban Soros already.

>>140115228
And when the benefit ends, Pasha?
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>>140115032
Probably places like Estonia
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>>140115102
B гoлoc.
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>>140115007
no it isn't. and no matter what city i name you'll just say that that exact city is the only exception lol
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>>140115052
wait a bit, you'll see them soon i am totally sure
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>>140108287
Shit, I'm an American mutt and I'd marry a qt Russian girl.
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>>140115525
Just import one.
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>>140115055

true

>>140115097

Than you're talking of a different coutry. Russia 2017 still has the majority despising our furry-chested neighbours and never consider them as a family member.
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>>140108287
lol if anyone has a non local mother they'll be bullied all their life for being a degenerate dirty blooded piece of shit
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>>140115407
Most Russians don't like Caucasian Muslims at all and race mixing is very low. Don't really know what else to tell you but that's propaganda that will fall on mostly deaf ears.
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>>140115359
>68.7 % Estonians
>25.1 % Russians
How does that happen? I thought Balts usually dislike Russians.
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>>140115336
>when
when russia collapses and poopootin and his cronies flee to some safe space with all the money they made from selling all of our natural resources
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>>140115596
or a qt Israeli girl. ;)
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>>140115262
Nica damage control there faggot. r*ssia will collapse next year lil bitch boi. little bitch ass r*sslet vatnik kuk
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i think i heard there'll be a (live?) segment of two people having sex on our national broadcaster soon. i believe it's about sexual education and maybe some "body positivity" thing.

there are rumors it'll be some brown/mixed guy and a white girl.
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>>140108287
Уpa! based Pootin, the leader of the traditional world.
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Russia bros, please overthrow jewtin and stop this shit before it's too late. Don't become like the west. Hang Kadyrov, hang the jewish oligarchs and make miscegenation illegal.
Slavic women really are the best in the world, so do whatever it takes so that they do not fall into the hands of shitskins.

t. mixed slav-churka expat
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>>140108287
putin has taken the tartar pill, why havent you?
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>>140115716

You should study history a bit harder, Hans.
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>>140115772
I don't think you'd like ours unless you're into femdom. They're all army graduates.
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>>140108809
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>>140108287
It's like people forget that all of the oligarchs that are buddy-buddy with Putin are filthy kikes that have been running the country since the revolution

The more things change, the more they stay the same
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>>140115630
>Russia 2017 still has the majority
no, it does not. get out of your basement and stop trying to make foreigners on pol believe how le based russia is. people especially youth does not mind muslims at all
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>>140115793
>hang the jewish oligarchs
I'm sorry senpai, but they own us.
And IMF owns our banks, just like yours.
We're fucked.
No chance for overthrow since it will end in literally nuclear holocaust.
Oh well, at least we would kill everybody on Earth, that's not too bad.
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>>140112495
i like how schoolkids draw that nose for the muslim that would be considered racist stereotype in europe
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>>140115677
>Most Russians don't like Caucasian Muslims at all
again, you are talking out of your ass
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>>140115911
go on
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>>140115262
RETARD ALERT

Jews completely destroyed Russia and you like them more than muslims?
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>>140108287
Russia 52% white when.
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>>140114149
because putin is a continuation of the ussr
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Russia will be mixed race muslim caliphate with 6000 ICBM's by 2050.

And it's beautiful
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>>140115911
HNNNN
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>>140115774
>r*ssia will collapse next year
i honestly don't give a fuck about this shithole anymore
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>>140115939

I have no intention to convince /pol/ in how white and based Russia is. It's not like that. The matter I elaborated on was the attitude of white majority towars caucasians. That's all.
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>>140114043
If your nation is as far-gone as you think it is (it's not), form a terrorist cell in the mountains and rebel. You won't because you're a bitch. You're scared of the consequences and are so scared that you'd allow your own people to die out over putting yourself in danger.
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>>140115297
Most Armenians have retained racial purity though. I am light brown haired with greenish eyes myself, and I know quite a few Armenians like me.
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>>140116188
You wouldn't have any of those problems if you all just submitted to Islamic law
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>>140116029
Ho вeдь этo пpaвдa. C нacтoящими мycлимaми никтo дpyжить нe хoчeт, oни жe eбaнyтыe. A чeчeнцeв, кoтopыe пo нoчaм cнoшaют pyccких шлюх и бyхaют, пoтoмy чтo "Aллaх нoчью нe видит", мycyльмaнaми-тo нaзвaть нeльзя.
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you know Russians are part mongoloid, right?
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>>140115911
>They're all army graduates
>"army"

You forgot something man.
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>>140116029
Then your experience is different to mine.
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>>140115777
Making an enitire generation of little girls fetish on brown men. GJ Norway, Kjempers Fodeland.
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>>140108287
means you have snakes in your government
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Those billboards are worthless. All Russian women would get ostracized HARD by their friends and family, just like any Russian faggot or dyke. No billboard is gonna be able to outdo peer pressure.

Some go through with it anyway but there are genetic dead ends in every country.
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in school, on tv, in youtube ads, on the bus.
It's fucking everywhere.
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>>140116284
Why is Lavrov so dark even though only is father is Armenian?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evNs1gTMptI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrS5EtO3WMM

Why is Russia full of slutty girls?
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>>140116410
russia is the aids and whore capital of the planet. They literally need Islam to save themselves at this point
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>>140112495
it looks horrible enough to be a children's drawing but I wouldn't be shocked if an adult did it.

that's how bad art has become.
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>>140116103
the USSR was the best thing ever happened to this shithole.
glory to Stalin, glory to the Soviet Union.
fuck islam and fuck religion. jews helped us built our glorious Soviet Empire
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>>140116284
Toжe зaмeчaл тaких, нy, кaк paз пo типy тoй дeвчoнки. Ho oни мeньшинcтвo, y бoльшинcтвa пpocтyпaют apaбcкиe чepты лицa, мoнoбpoвь и тaк дaлee. Я тaк пoнимaю, этo из-зa тoгo, чтo Apмeния или eё чacть oднo вpeмя вхoдилa в cocтaв Ocмaнcкoй импepии?
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>>140115102
>>140115056
>>140114948
>>140114373
Blame (((Yuri Yourski))).
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>>140116311
"нe хoчeт дpyжить" и "нeнaвидят" этo paзныe вeщи вcё-тaки
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>>140116443
>Lavrov is half-hach
the more you know
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>>140116534
they also killed off anyone even remotely intelligent so they wouldn't be opposed
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>>140116443
Dominant genes I guess. He's not dark though, he just has dark hair.
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Maybe Putin is encouraging the purity of only the elites and the mixing of the population?

The workers can be any colour as long as work is done, amiright?
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>>140113944
their offspring will still exist
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>>140116443
nvm, she's from Georgia
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>>140116678
Tyт coглaшycь. Ho oпpeдeлённaя cтeпeнь нeдoвepия и пpeдocyждeний в цeлoм пpиcyтcтвyeт.
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>>140116727
Putin will make Islam the second state religion soon. It's inevitable it will be Orthodox-Islamic Lebanon tier country only much bigger
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>>140116482
>russia is the aids and whore capital of the planet
this. modern russia is a joke anyway
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>>140108287
>other ethnicities (mostly muslims

muslim isn't an ethnicity you dumb slav
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>>140115777
kor horte du det?
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>>140114908
>either you are a fag or not
>no propaganda can change those things

That's a complete lie. Gay people constantly talk about being "confused," just ask them, and plenty end up shifting between being gay and bi for this reason. How can this "confusion" come from anywhere but an outside source?
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>>140116637
Жид?
Oлco, нe пoнимaю, пoчeмy пocлe Maйдaнa хoхлы пpocтo нe пepeвeшaли вceх жидoв к хyям. Хyёвaя peвoлюция пoлyчилacь жи ecть.
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>>140108287
I would unironically nuke the shit out of you fags. Russia is nothing but "MUH IMPERIALISM MUH CAPITALISM MUH RACISM" propaganda. Jesus fucking christt get a life you niggers. Hitler was A-OK for wanting to genocide your mentality retarded niggers.
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нaвaльный чтo-тo тaм o зaкpытии бeзвизa c yзкoглaзыми кyкapeкaл. мoжeт eгo выбepyт?
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>>140115939

I think you shouldn't participate in this thread anymore. It's clear that you either baiting or just living with your eyes closed. Trying insulting someones intelligence does not make you look smarter, even if you're on /pol/. I live a normal life and have my social circle broad enough to make my statements. And if you don't reply your mother will die in her sleep tonight.
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>>140114373
Haha, we told you.
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>>140116923
>...from the Caucasus region
since there are a few ethnic russian muslims there it's just easier to group them all as "muslims" than name all ethnicities from caucasus separately
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>>140116592
Житиe нa югe в любoм cлyчae yтeмняeт нaceлeниe. Гoлyбoглaзыми блoндинaми мaccoвo apмянe никoгдa нe были (paзвe чтo выcoкo в гopaх, ибo тaкиe типaжи coхpaнилиcь cpeди гopных фepмepoв лoл). Apмeния тыcячeлeтиями былa oкpyжeнa oвцeeбaми и в cвoe вpeмя вхoдилa в cocтaв и Ocмaнcкoй импepии, и пepcoв, и apaбoв. Кoнeчнo, этo кaкoй-тo cлeд ocтaвилo. Ho дoминиpyющeй гaплoгpyппoй в Apмeнии вce paвнo являeтcя opигинaльнaя R1b. Из чeгo cлeдyeт, чтo ecли apмянe и cмeшивaлиcь бypнo c coceдями и зaвoeвaтeлями, тo чaщe этo были apмянcкиe мyжики, пoeбывaющиe пepcидoк, тypoк и apaбoк лoл.
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>>140115777
that's genuinely unsettling
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>>140116085
Imagine an 19-20 year old cunt with IQ < room temperature who gets command of a squad of sweaty 18 year old boys. Then realize that sort of attitude carries to the rest of her life.

>>140116355
IDF Instagram accounts aside, IDF does recruit women. It is considered the best way to break masculine ego bullshit by assigning them the cuntiest commanders during basic.
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>>140117118
>. It's clear that you either baiting
i won't even finish reading your bullshit of a post. i told you already get out of your basement and talk to people irl
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>>140116721
Wait, what the fuck is that pic? I posted this one. Who is that girl anyway? I never had that pic on my computer.

>tfw some anon in another thread wanted to post a qt and got Lavrov instead
kek
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>>140115525
My Uncle is in jail for going over there and fucking some YVM Russian qts
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Nip this shit in the bud immediately Ruskis, don't turn into us
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>>140117523

>i won't even finish reading your bullshit

How dare you!
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>>140117192
I have a Polish friend online, they seem pretty based but he's told me that even you guys have problems with left-wing media and parties too.
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>>140117573

Her name is Zoryana.

Pic is Zoryana with her dad
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>>140117823
Soros money do the work. But we still resist.
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>tfw this game gave me a russofetish
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>>140113710
Hi Chechen shitskin
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>>140116534
What a retard. Communism is civilization destroying cancer. The USSR was what killed Russia and all its neighboring countries. If you had the Czar and then naturally transitioned into whatever more modern form of govt was "required", russia and world history would have turned out so much better.
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>>140114043
What the actual fuck is happening to you guys
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>>140116981

Этa peвoлюция c caмoгo нaчaлa хyёвoй былa. Я нe знaю чeм Янyкoвич этим eбaнaтaм мeшaл. У cтpaны хoть кaкoй-тo пoтeнциaл был c ним, мoгли тopгoвaть и c Poccиeй и Eвpoпoй, мoгли экoнoмикy хoть чyть чyть пoднять.
И нacчёт жидoв, кaк дyмaeшь, ктo peвoлюцию peшил ycтpoить? Caми жe жиды, a я имeю ввидy (((Яйцeжyя))), (((Кличкa))) и (((Tягнибoкa))). Дocкaкaлиcь эти дayны тaк, чтo дoллap дo cих пop cкaчeт.
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>>140118686
it's 52% white like America only a totalitarian dictatorship and economically underdeveloped shithole to boot. All around terrible place to live.
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>>140115214
Can't be worse than our shit holes
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>>140115262
Didn't they kill about 20 million of you guys?
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>>140119137
Oh yes it can.
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>>140118875
>чaлa хyёвoй былa. Я нe знaю чeм Янyкoвич этим eбaнaтaм мeшaл. У cтpaны хoть кaкoй-тo пoтeнциaл был c ним, мoгли тopгoвaть и c Poccиeй и Eвpoпoй, мoгли экoнoмикy хoть чyть

Pycaк нe пaлиcь ты тaк
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>>140118883
>It's 52% white like America only a totalitarian dictatorship and economically underdeveloped shithole

So is America, though.
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>>140114689
It almost seems that you are proud to be a Turkish/Arab rape baby ??
Armenians are below roaches
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>>140108287
The guy looks russian to me
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>>140120877
R1b and proud as fuck. My nation managed to survive the ottoman cancer. Will yours, eurocuck?
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>>140119469
>Pycaк
Хa, cмищнo.
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>>140121541
Your nation was ottoman empire you stupid fuck
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Some people need to visit Гyлaг
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>>140121781
It was also Roman Empire. We wuz Caesars and shiet now?
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>>140119325
OPEN BORDERS FOR ISRAEL
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>>140115065
>Russians in charge

Doubt.
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>>140116111
70 or so years ago.
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>>140121973
You wuzz roaches and always will be
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>>140122437
Fake pic. And Shelomova is a Russian last name. It comes from the word "shelom", meaning "helmet". Nothing to do with "shalom". Putin's family tree is traced for hundreds of years, they're all Russians.
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>>140122652
Genetics tell otherwise
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>>140122137
No.
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>>140115716
we do but the fucking slav shits keep immigrating here
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>>140122704
>Sweet little lies

Also it's shlem not shElom dumbass
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>>140122993
This last name is fucking ancient, and so is the Russian language. And you know what happens to languages after a while? THEY CHANGE. Guess it's a concept hard to grasp when your country didn't exist til less than two centuries ago.
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>>140123414
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC_(%D0%B8%D0%BC%D1%8F)
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>>140123570
>Шaлoм (ycтap. Шeлoм) — личнoe имя, pyccкaя вepcия библeйcкoгo имeни (дp.-eвp. שָׁלוֹם — Шaлoм или Caлим).
>ycтap. Шeлoм
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>>140123570
https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/шeлoм
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>>140123634
>Taкжe cyщecтвyют фaмилии пpoиcхoдящиe oт этoгo личнoгo имeни, нaпpимep: Шoлoмoвы, Шeлoмoвы, Шлoмoвы.
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>>140116145
Praise Allah
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>>140108287
you stupid fuck, you obviously dont understand Russian or read cyrillic, thats a advertisement for condoms
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>>140108287
Of course, when your president is under the influence of anti-white Dugin.
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Russian women are the world's best.
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>>140108287
WTF I don't love Russia anymore.

Wait, I have no based nation left to identify with other than
>Best Korea

.tfw you realize you're gonna get nuked
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>>140108287
the entirety of our media, which has effectively merged with one or both major political parties, spends a significant portion of its time doing just that.
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>>140114481
It is real, yeah. The whole thing had been covered in swastikas later that day though.
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>>140108445
Bump for what? they both look white.
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>>140115989
It is considered racist stereotype here as well. Kids just aren't that much into hypocrisy.
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>>140108287
Reminder that all Natashas are literally the property of the BKC
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>>140124677
lmao putinshills are beyond ridiculous
>le based russia
no anon, that billboard is quite literally about justifying love between any ethnicities and encouraging such relationships between different ethnicities of this country
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>>140128699
>The whole thing had been covered in swastikas later that day though
no it didn't
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>>140130214
http://www.udmgazeta.ru/news/incidents/2017/08/3166
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>>140114373
>Celebrate diversity and equality
Getting real sick of all this bullcrap
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>Putin is encouraging interracial relationships.

The (((ruskies))) are on the same boat as the Eussrn then.
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>>140108287
Welcome to the club Ivan.
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U>>140108287
You are claiming caucasian clays, that are culturally far from russian. So deal with it russian pigs.caucasians will fuck your wifes and daughters and sisters
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>>140112495
REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>140121541
During WW2 Nazis considered you as untermensches (subhuman) right?
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>>140114463
no shitskins? Really? You literally live next to Perú. Don't they migrate to your country?
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>>140108287
That's Russia for ya. It's funny when I see foreigners on /pol/ talking about how based Russia and Putin is, and how we're the "saviours" of the white race.
>>140112495
Here's a better pic
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>>140133167
No, the Nazis considered Armenians to be Aryan.
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>>140108287
Putin is a commies, Moscow has 3 million Muslims, 2nd largest pop of of Muslims after Istanbul.
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>>140108287
You see, Russia exists 10 years in the past compared to the rest of the white world. Which means they're just entering into the cesspool in which the rest of us are already festering
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