Very bad weekend for altright Molymeme fans. First he gets b

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>>140105113
Molymeme on suicide watch

>>140105113
I'm very happy to have no idea what you're even talking about

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This seems to be an issue of semantics.

>Kind people are socialist

Its unclear whether this means all kind people or most kind people. I will give it to destiny sure, if its all kind people it is in fact a true statement.

The problem is he goes right below this to...
>All men are immortal
>Socrates is a man
>Socrates is immortal

He claims this is false, which is exactly the same example of the one above. The statement would indeed be true by his reasoning.

This is clearly destiny ad-hoc attacking Molymeme for views. He contradicts himself in under 20 seconds. The only possible explanation is that Destiny deems logical to mean realistic. Otherwise it just looks like a plainly contradictory statement.

>premiseses

Wow Steven the second of the Bonnell dynasty is such an enlightened intellectual

>>140105113
annnnnd its fucking nothing

the only reason this video exist is because he doesnt like him right off the bat. you should see how he listen religiously to contra point shitty videos and agrees with all of it like a drone even though he videos are childish and intellectually bankrupt only because he's ''on his side''

you really should find yourself other figures to look up to than a divorced league of legend player

>>140105113
>Kraut and
Stopped reading, next

>destiny
That guy who got his face caved in by holocaust-denying lolbertarian Jew-Hater injun Ryan Dawson?

That Destiny? The one who went two hours without making a single point in his own defence with a guy who thinks Israel runs the US government?

Destiny's opinion is painfully low IQ.

>>140105113
>didn't read any philosophy, ever
>claims he knows more than molyneux

His problem right there. His presupposition was that he's a step above molymeme when he's multiple steps below. Every critique he had is addressed right there on screen.

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>>140106051
molymeme cocksuckers

Remember when Destiny said the US should invade and carpet bomb Mexico?

>>140108324
That's the only good thing he said.

>>140108434
And he didn't even say it on purpose

So molymeme got one tiny thing wrong in his book? Whats the big deal?

>>140105113
They are both retarded and have never studied discrete mathematics

>>140105113

Remember when Destiny got his shit pushed in by Metokur? I 'member

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogzq__m8oE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dZgQL2NmI4

>>140108745
Its unforgettable

>>140105113
Hot take: Molymeme is a laughable lolbertarian and Destiny is a cucky manlet. Both are trash-tier.

>e-celebs: not even once

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Why should anyone care about this e celeb drama?

@140107948 thx for the you

>molyneux doesn't know the basics of deductive reasoning

that's pretty retarded

>>140106051
no he's talking about "soundness" which is actually an important term in deductive reasoning

read this http://www.iep.utm.edu/val-snd/

>>140108575
>got one tiny thing wrong

nigger this is some very important basic shit about the entire foundation that logic is built on

a lot of people ITT seem to have never followed a Logic 101 course, but this is a really bad mistake on Stefans part


I don't even like Destiny, he's a cringy cuck, but on this he's absolutely right

>>140105113
1) Kind people are socialist
2) Bob is a kind person
3) Therefore Bob is a socialist

This is literally the same example as the swimming one. How deep in cognitive dissonance is destiny that he doesn't see it

He literally read it "All kind people are socialist"
fucking twice
ITS IN FRONT OF HIS FACE
what the fuck destiny

>>140108745
what?? Mr. Redditur got BTFO by Destiny

>>140107948
at least refute their arguments

>>140109671
Then he reads
"all people are immortal > Socrates is immortal"
which is valid since all people all immortal
And spergs out again

>>140109671
no, the first premise is reversed
it would be the same if it was "All socialists are kind people"

>>140109847
yes it's valid, but molyneux says it's sound, which it isn't

>>140109671
not really

the structure of this example is
if k in Kind(set relation), k in Soc
B in Kind
therefore B in Soc

which is a perfectly sound deductive argument

the first one on the other hand is
if p in Plumb(set relation), p in Swim
B in Swim
therefore B in Plumb

which is reversed and wrong

I don't like this starved homo but he is right here

>>140110114
>perfectly sound
NO
it's VALID

sound is when an argument is valid and the premises are true

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>>140110260
yeah I meant sound in the informal way aka valid

>>140110298
the whole thing was just ryan educating destiny on basic history

>>140109590
can you explain how

>>140109590
>Destiny, he's absolutely right

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>>140105113
Who is this lanky nerd and why should I care?

>>140110415
can you read my previous posts?

Stefan reverses the definitions for valid and soung arguments, in a book titled "art of an argument"

>>140105113
>Very bad weekend for altright Molymeme fans. First he gets btfo by Kraut and Tea and now even Destiny has btfo his last book with complete 1st grade logic.
Shaun and Jen also BTFO of him the other week too. Top kek, Molymeme really has lost the plot recently. Why do you think this is is? Has the fame/success just gotten to his head?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd_nVCWPgiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHW3Y_p2llo

>>140110501
>lanky
destiny is a midget

>>140105113
Nobody cares who any of those people you just named are. They are faggy youtubers. Worth absolutely nothing

>>140105113
at 2:46 he completely loses it, and claims that something he just read out, is not actually in the book lol

>>140109912
So it's a debate of semantics between the meaning of the word sound vs the word true, and this is supposed to invalidate the whole book?

>>140110561
>shaun and jen

come on, son

>>140110647
1. nowhere did i say the entire book was invalid
2. if you write a book on arguments and you don't know your definitions surrounding arguments, you're a fucking idiot and people should point it out

>>140105113
It didn't say ALL kind people are socialists.

Destiny would have failed philosophy.

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>>140109912
>>140110114

this destiny guy is so passive aggressive I can't handle it. He must be the product of a single mother.

>>140110561

lol what a meme

so a bunch of delusional lefties and (((skeptics))) are trying to tear down the molymeme machine

god leftypol is pathetic, do you guys have even a modicum of self-awareness?

Is this a joke ? This guy on the video dosne't understand the point the guy that wrote the book was trying to make..

Man, americans are so fking dumb lmao.

Molymeme is clumsy and destiny is stupid

>>140110812
which has nothing to do with deductive reasoning and is a completely retarded thing to say

god why are these pseudo intellectual youtubers given so much attention?

who cares

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>>140110812
If you dont get the difference between those two, i dont think theres help for you

>>140105113

destiny is trying to bait molymeme into an argument

destiny would get absolutely BTFO so i hope it happens but moly generally has better people to talk to than some washed up edgelord

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>>140105113
can SOMEBODY stop this madman?

>>140110958
What are you even talking about, there coudnt be anything more elementary

>>140109720
agreed XD le uboat ftw!

>my wife's son dwarf btfo anyone

>>140105113
stop this threads destiny nobody cares about you

>>140107948
not an argument

>>140111190
oh i thought you highlighted the one above that, i read over it

the problem with your comparison is that in the first example, Bob is being compared to the later part of the implication, whereas in the second example he's compared to the first part

if all kind people are socialists, and bob is a kind person, he must be a socialist according to the argument, making the conclusion valid.

>>140111053
that's the problem: it's not logically sound, it's logically valid

it would be sound if the premises were true

This is like arguing with one of my friends who is die-hard climate scientist believer, he says I don't believe in science because I don't believe in climate change even though many times I point out how there's not enough statistics to prove their theory.
He thinks climate science is all sciences.
Meanwhile he spends his days drooling over owning a fucking Tesla which he can never afford since he still owes $30k on his BMW 328i which he got suckered into financing for 7 years.

>>140105113
Literally who ?

>>140105113
>30 yo video game addicted manchild doesn't understand basic philosophical works
color me surprised

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>>140110568
>destiny is a midget
nice meme

>>140105113
destiny got destroyed by sargon hes a joke

MOLYMEME HAS BEEN...

E X P O S E D
X
P
O
S
E
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>>140110561

>the comments on shaun's videos

jesus these people are pretentious, and don't seem to realize they're just as deep into a cult as they say the molymeme fans are

its amazing how much it triggers lefties that people are able to accept completely different axioms from them

>>140111585
He says the structure is logically sound, not the argument.
>>140111496
He doesnt say all kind people, are you Destiny? he seemed to add words to suit his argument too

>>140111053
his point is that moly main criticism of the first 3 points was not the incorrect deductive logic as much as the fact that the first premise is wrong, so you can't argue that molymeme doesn't understand logic101

you can argue that that fragment of the book is badly written and ambiguous and the chapter's title is misleading and i would agree

>>140105113
Destiny is the most legit youtuber.
In terms of debate he pretty much shreds any of the others.

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>>140105113

wow a youtube thread how interesting

how's little nathan doing? don't see him much anymore do you? lmao desu

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>>140111875
this

>>140110802
It did imply that though, all is just something that would reaffirm it.

>>140111791
when you say "kind people" in an argumentative claim, it's not so crazy to assume you're saying "all kind people", especially considering the context
even if he meant "some", his mistake is not explicitly saying that

>he says the structure is logically sound
BUT IT ISN'T

http://www.iep.utm.edu/val-snd/

READ

>>140105113

TL;DR a sophist who does not know what Sophism is.


>This is the state of mind of the liberal.

>>140105113
Ffs can we go one hour without a destiny circlejerk session, he's a worthless bearded sack of shit.

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>>140110561
>shaun and jen

Destiny has really opened my eyes to how uneducated, misinformed, and idiotic most alt-right/right-wingers really are. He has won every debate against all the famous right-wing advocates he has come up against and even made most of them salty as hell, like Jim and Ape. He even managed to stop Naked Ape in less than 30 minutes in his debate and has shown how immature Ape really is. Really? Shut up, shut up, shut up? Pathetic. Now I'm back to being a Leftie, because it is the logical, rational position to take, thanks to Destiny. 4chan is just a bunch of cucks with the illusion of rationality, morality, and sanity.

Destiny is fucking based I don't know what /pol/s problem with him is

>>140112247
wtf Im with her now

i expect a 45 minute video response from moly

>>140111875
Ah yes steve 'lets send sorties into mexico and carpet bomb them to deal with the cartel to help their economy' bonnell

>>140112057
In philosophy it's not about implications. You can't add in words that aren't there to make a valid argument. It's there or it isn't. Destiny doesn't know what he is talking about. That's the worst part of pseudintellectuals because it spreads to all of his followers. At least he prefaces it with not having taken a logic class.

>>140111854
>>140112109

Maybe it will help you to understand
If it was written this way:
Socialist are kind people
Bob is kind
Bob is a socialist

I would argue its the exact same thing molymeme said

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>>140110657
I know, I'm by no means a fan of their content.
>>140112244
Not an argument. Take a break from posting, you're here 24/7/365.

Nice shill thread shariablue

>>140112566
"i would argue"
well you'd be fucking wrong wouldn't you

>>140109720
which one is the redditor though
are they both reddit boys?

>>140112330
>liberal cuck.
>"Is incest wrong?"
>also, manlet supreme. The Munchkins from Wizard of Oz tower over this guy.

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>>140108921
https://streamable.com/ooyl0

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>>140105113
look at those fucking arms jesus christ

>>140105113
How much do you get payed to shill for this irrelevant nigger?

sage

>>140110568
>destiny is a midget
Who is this guy exactly, what is his origin story?

>>140111726
nice edit
5'7
when will they learn

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Can someone honestly explain why anyone should give a single fuck about what Destiny says

>>140112502
In other words, it basically says that being a socialist is part of being kind.
Now if somebody is kind he can also be other things too in addition that's true but the person would have to be a socialist.

>some gamer btfos moly
>b-but he's short!

kek

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>>140112247
>le manchild gamer arguing with low-hanging fruit has changed my worldview.

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It's a semantics argument. Basically Molyneux is a hack who plays to the lowest common denominator with basic philosophical proofs and Destiny degenerate who plays video games for a living and dolls out "logic" to 15-21 year olds who play MOBAs. These people aren't worth your time, but I will say they are both smug enough for me to want to see them destroyed.

>>140112247
krumpf btfo

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>>140113176
he's always right?

>>140113394
Best post in the thread. Why waste your time with either of these charlatans?

>>140112772
you're a low IQ mongrel who doesn't understand wordplay
Metokur = Redditur

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>>140113521
>but I will say they are both smug enough for me to want to see them destroyed
>Why waste your time with either of these charlatans?

>>140113514
I know this is bait but honestly even in a satirical sense how can you defend someone this fucking brain dead

Like
example
https://youtu.be/j_y7ZZmYVPA?t=2h20m7s

Do you actually get jollies from putting up this brain dead animal on a pedestal?

>>140112566
i also agree with that and thanks for completely ignoring my previous post

>>140108324
Remember when he said that refugees and illegals we're good because they helped raise the GDP and they are willing to work for lower wages doing shit jobs nobody wants to do?

>>140113184
But when it has been demonstrated irrefutably time and again that the "unintended consequences" of "being kind" are actually quit sadistically harmful how log should we allow an idiot to pretend to claim the "moral high ground" by virtue signaling? Particularly with someone else's money!

You have a lot to learn Steven, A LOT. You need to be more humble with your approach in certain topics that go beyond shallow topics of current events and politics (easy picks, unless you don't mind looking like a complete imbecile, which I know you care, given the recent ego-trip you have been in). Just a reminder that you have spent the good part of your life barely surviving, fighting not to be homeless and wiping floors in stadiums, while most of us have been intellectually curious and dedicating our time to learn, read and listen people that are smarter than us. So either you are completely oblivious of how much information/education you have missed in the past 2 decades (and how far behind you are vs other actual intelligent people), OR you think yourself smarter than the majority, in which case I have to remind you that smart people not necessarily start questioning the world at the age of 30, certainly don't spend their 20s doing manual work and living with their parents. Forming rational thoughts is not an acomplishment, I get it you are excited because this is new to you, but most people were doing that in high school, (while passing the classes you are still completely oblivious about, like Calculus? do you even know what that is?). Be humble, you will learn more that way.

>>140114017
Destiny is a typical Ivory Tower imbecile. He makes enough money that such an idea that a serf class is damaging to most people is beyond his understanding.

He's not affected, so what does it matter to him.

/pol/ is getting BTFO ITT
god damn bros why is Destiny so smart?

what are some times destiny was redpilled?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpRULjszHSo

>>140105113
I think what molymeme meant to do was

All kind people are socialists
Bob is a socialist
Therefore Bob is kind

But he fucked up because he's a dumbass eceleb grifter piece of shit cult leader lmao.

>>140112607
>gets btfo
>t-take a break from posting

>>140108745
member when he got an hour of free education by ryan dawson? I member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNw1kt_MyoY

>>140114316
The worst thing about him is that he didn't work a day for his money. He literally plays fucking video games and makes a good living doing it, which is a fucking travesty of the modern era. He has no idea how the common man lives, he has no idea how the uneducated blue-collar worker base has to make ends meet. He has no idea how wealth is created or how it is fostered or how unemployment is connected to immigration, or any basic economic principles. Listening to that utter horseshit of a "debate" he had with that idiot Naked Ape proved that neither of them understood jack fucking shit about economics and yet he still feels he is in the position to make statements about economic policy.

>>140114098
That's meaning 2 of kind, but the first meaning according is Cambridge dictionary is "generous, helpful, and thinking about other people's feelings." So a person can still be harmful towards others and theoretically still be kind as long as he's intentionally doing that for a group.

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MIKE!!! CUT HIM OFF, AND UPLOAD SOME MORE DONATION VIDEOS NOW. MY SHOW.

>>140113173
No way is Destiny 5'7. I'd be surprised if he was more than 5'3

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ONE

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>>140114017
Remember when he said its better to have cheaper smart phone prices than to have thousands of americans employed?

>>140114827
I really liked that debate. Ape isn't good at debating but Destiny is fumbling so hard, he says refugees help the GDP, Naked Ape calls him on the GDP argument which they both agreed to throw out, Destiny gets defensive and says "noone is talking about GDP" I also like that he's seemingly debating from his mom's house because he does that "raising your voice while whispering" thing like a kid on counter strike whose parents are asleep.

It's good comedy

It's incredibly cringe-worthy how Molymeme, a self-described "philosopher" doesn't understand the most basic concepts... it's just crazy to think that many think he's a good thinker... the alt-right is even dumber than the SJWs.

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>>140110812
What is this?

1.
>all plumbers can swim
>kind people are socialists
>kind people support the welfare state.

Okay so those are the first three.

2.
>bob knows how to swim
>bob is a kind person
>bob is a kind person

Okay mistake here on the second part.

>bob knows how to swim
is not correspondent with what is going on here.
It should say
>bob is a plumber

I don't even know what is going on with this image, but whoever made it is bad at giving an example. The first example is correctly a bad example.

The second two are not bad examples and are logically sound. If Kind people are socialists and bob is a Kind person then guess what bob is? If plumbers can swim and bob knows how to swim, there is not enough information to deduce that Bob is also a plumber, ALTHOUGH we know there is a chance that he is a plumber. We can actually say that because if Bob did not know how to swim then he could not be a plumber.


Being intellectually dishonest is a huge problem with people like Destiny, Molyjew, Kraut & Tea, and the entire skeptic community. Why do you argue things with mistakes like I just showed? Why do you rely on subversion and obfuscation?

It's not like millions of people aren't going to see it and be unaware that something fishy is afoot.

>>140115379
retard

ITT Molymemesters prove they don't understand logic.

>>140115379

I think most people can easily see how fucking retarded the alt right is. Just watch any debate of a centrist, or leftist vs an alt righter, and you can see how little they actually know. Alt righters are fucking stupid as fuck.

>>140105113
>shilling for a irreverent midget on 4chan
The best thing anyone can do for Destiny is ignore him so he'll be forced, at some point in his life, to become some version of a man.
Instead of a whining raspy child.

>>140112607

I love it when random Finnish posters are mistaken for me, please keep doing it so that you'll make your side look even more psychotic

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>>140112247
TWO SCOOOOOOOOOOOOPS

>>140114512
>screencap that has nothing to do with the argument
>an argument
Pick one, you 3rd world ape.

>>140116024
>I love it when random Finnish posters are mistaken for me
You're making you're entire country look bad. You are what made leafs leafs. You are what made swedecucks swedecucks.

>molymeme
>dumb
He's a complete asshole, a hypocritical narcissist, absolutely deranged, a poor speaker but he's clearly a clever fucking man. Basically a non-retarded you, Destiny.

He is actually correct desu. I wish Moly invited him on a debate to bully him.

>>140116242

Swedes and leafs are ridiculed for being too liberal. All I do is defend white nationalists and some people who are friendly to white nationalism.

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>>140116242
He's not Finnish, some other Finns caught him out lying it was found out that he uses Google Translate to speak Finnish.

>>140116514
But why does he hate logic so much?

DOLLA

>>140105113
molymeme is a fucking joke these days

he wrote an entire "proof" on secular ethics without even using a single mathematical equation

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But Destiny is actually wrong that the premises have to be true.

>>140116621

Why are you posting random posts of people with a Finnish flag talking about Milo? Are you so ridiculous you're claiming those posts were made by me?

Niin ja jos sä haluut et mä puhun suomea kyl mä siihenkin voin lähtee.

>>140105113
Destiny is such a pussy manlet, why does he keep trying to debate, play starcraft and fuck a soko gook u faggot piece of shit.

>>140116931

>Applying logic to a b-tier video game streamer's opinion

There's a reason no one takes this cuck seriously and it's not just because he always tries to debate with people who have 10 times the following he does.

"I haven't taken any philosophy, the only information I know about it is what I've gathered online."

Proceeds to go on about how Molyneux's philosophical arguments are wrong and "dumb", while matchmaking and playing some stupid video game at the same time..

Hahahah..

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>>140112690
Let me try this again


Maybe you can better understand this way

Kind people are plumbers
Bob is kind
Bob is a plumber

>>140110958
Yes, it does. "wrong in so many ways", what did you think he meant by this? Wrong in a single way, that's not a very good interpretation. The premise being plain wrong is a part of the argument being dogshit, and the entire point of example 2 which seems to have gone over your head.

>>140115843
Leftists think all whites are evil so that is dumber than anything alt-right has ever done.

>>140117451
People like you are retarded.

Didn't Destiny pussy out of debating Molymeme directly?

Figures he would passively aggressively go after his book instead.

>>140118973
>An argument

>>140119152
>Molymeme
opposite. Molymeme decided destiny wasnt worth his time because destiny has a small subscriber count

>>140109365
Actually no it isn't. It's important in inductive reasoning.

>>140112566
It's not. B -> A is not the same as A -> B. "Socialists are kind people" is a very different statement from "Kind people are socialists". It's the difference between necessary and sufficient criteria.

Wet dogs smell - true. All wet dogs stink.
Smelly dogs are wet - false, dogs fart. Dry dogs can stink.
Clearly not the same statements.

Another way of illustrating it is via negation. The former statement excludes socialists from being unkind. The latter excludes kind people from not being socialist.
"B implies A" implies "B implies not -A".

>>140105113
I'd rather skip listening to Destiny and Kraut run their mouths; Just give me the primary sources to read and weigh

Emotions tend to flare in these video debates

>>140119877
And I'll skip Not an Argument man too

>Kraut
>Tea
>Destiny
Literally who/?

>>140105113
>knows nothing about anything
>misses the point of contesting """premises"""
>destiny can't understand informal fallacies or false premises.
>fallacious premises imply flaws in reasoning=bad deductive reasoning

It's like destiny is so autistic he thinks reasoning exists in a vacuum. What's he gonna do next? Have sex with his children?

>>140119218
What was the problem with my argument?

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>>140108585

YES

>>140121321
The whole video is just dumb virtue signalling

Destiny getting destroyed by TheAltHype:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i52kfGJnwU

Kraut and Tea getting destroyed by TheAltHype:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG2iFmJn3gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHp5DKJZVE0

>>140120498
eceleb trash. basically just a bunch of liberal cucks who post on jew tube and stream on twitch. the only thing you need to know about kraut and tea is nothing, and the only thing you need to know about destiny is he thinks incest is okay

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>>140105113
DAWG

SERIOUSLY?

>>140117080

He's probably losing dollarydoos because he's irrelevant these days so this is his new scheme to get shekels and grow his subscriber count.

>>140122002
>althype
Man, I really like that autistic sedecimroon faggot.