>clean my room >still a nerd When did you realize le meme

just saw him on joe rogan with bret weinstein..

he's doing damage control with the frog meme lmao

I realized he was a fraud when I started cleaning my room but couldn't stop masturbating

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>>140080757
Liar. Your room is a mess. If your room was clean you would be posting something useful instead of being mad.

>>140080757
When he shat on postmodernist retards 24/7 and then seriously argued that truth is whatever is useful to you at the moment, de facto deconstructing the most fundamental concept in our civilization to the envy of every postmodernist.
>intellectualpowerhouse.jpg

>>140081320
Most of his advice are very abstract

>>140080757

>cleaned your room
>not becoming a fulfilled millionaire

what a fucking loser...

>>140081320
This is the only thing it takes to be "redpilled" these days. Wow those SJWs are so weird. There, redpilled.

>>140082673
This. I picked up the last cumsock off the floor, and a key to a lambo fell out. I was like wtf but went out and there it was. A golden lambo filled with cash. I tried to scoop as much as I can so I can bring it back home in my project, but as I turned around I found myself in my newly aquired mansions garden.

Clean your room all the way, Anon.

>>140080757
>I kinda did step one of X
>Weird, nothing changed

Are you retarded? The point is you should get your shit together first before you try and fix other shit.

>>140080757
>WOOOOOW NO INSTANT GRATIFICATION BETTER GO BACK TO OPENING SOME MORE LOOT BOXES (tm) MAN I SURE LOVE THIS TASTY YUMMY MONSTER ENERGY DRINK ITS LIKE REAL WATER BUT YUMMMMYYYY!

ITT: I'm too dumb to understand something so I'll just call it bad and feel smart instead of all that hard thinking!

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>clean room
>lift
>study stem
>work part time as freelance coder
>still weeb
>still khv
>still unsociable
>still friendless

when does this end

>reee he doesnt call out jews
>reee he doesnt support my pure form of white nationalism
get a grip.

>>140083825
you fell into the trap of doing things without thinking about why you do them
learn to think critically

>>140083825
>still unsociable
>still friendless
I had this idea of becoming friends with other unsociable people. Didn't work out so great.
>tfw still friendless

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>>140081320

>>140084203
I made a mistake of adding a /pol/ack steam friend, Jesus Christ I haven't deleted anyone else from my friends list faster than him. It was 5 minutes of whining how miserable he is

>>140080757

Cleaning my room does wonders or my mood. It's a good advice.

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>>140083395
>tfw you realise peterson is nothing more than the next iteration of confidence scam artistry
self-help gurus are cancer

>>140080917
Cleaning your room is very stimulating.

Don't you appreciate having a clean room to mastrubate in?

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>>140084090
maybe, but i enjoy my field of study, would go for a phd if i didnt have to lecture and shit

>>140084203
good luck to you

>>140083969
He would call out the jews but he knows it would do irreversible damage to his image. He wants to and he should. But it would end his career

>>140084203
You just have to have a good mindset.
For some reason I'm very good with making friends with anyone, even anti-social people that don't like going outside.

>>140084365
I'd consider it progress if people who add me on steam would actually talk to me.

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>>140080757
Day 1, hoping the rest of nu-pol catches up soon. Getting pretty sick of his watered-down diet "advice" tbqh.

i'd be pretty nervous about inviting a girl back to my messy apartment. also when domestic chores need doing, it's hard to think and plan and set up more important projects while sitting on a pile of your own garbage.

i've never even seen petersons clean your room thing, but it seems a common sense first step for getting your shit together.

>>140084574
>maybe, but i enjoy my field of study, would go for a phd if i didnt have to lecture and shit

that doesnt really have to do with what i just told you.
This is where the "think critically" part comes into play

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>>140084299
didnt even read

/
https://8ch net/pol/

>>140083825
Stop watching anime. It's just such a retarded thing to do and then frustrated /v/irgins and /pol/acks complain how they don't have any friends. You might not want to become a normalfag but sure as fuck shouldn't be a weeb either.

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>>140084922
good advice kiwi

>>140083825
>when does this end
The ride never ends, anon. Never.

>tfw jordan was outclassed during the joe rogan interview with brett weinstein

fuck m8

>>140083825
It's time to fight a dragon and go on an adventure.

>>140085058
by the jew? that's not what I saw

>Clean my room
>Start eating right
>Work out
>Patch things up with my dad
>Start spending more time outdoors
>Stop playing video games 60 hours a week

I'm not cured yet, but I'm getting there.

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>>140084844
what do you mean "think critically"?
i've got my focus on a niche in engineering that pays really well where even newly graduates are highly sought after, starting my thesis next year
>>140084922
no

>>140085149
it's because you're blind.

the moment Peterson started talking about his business school ties and his colleagues thinking that the business men are bad he lost me. He fucking enforced his argument with "it's supposed to be self-evident joe"

He fucking knew he fucked up with that. It took a while for him to get his footing back. After that debacle his entire persona changed.

Bret basically shot down his entire IQ argument and basically exposed his myopic his views are.

I still like the guy but he was severely outclassed here.

>>140081119
This. Faggots like OP simply cant handle wisdom and/or people that refuse to participate in this pathetic indentity politics game which will lead to nothing but a load of shit.

Clean your room OP, it's a mess.

well he does say that human beings are prone to destroying things/introducing chaos into a hypothetically utopian system just to see what will happen/in order to make things interesting, BUT also goes on and says 'sort yourself out', in all seriousness, right after hes done telling you that humans destroy things simply to keep the world entertaining, so I dunno why he bothers with any of this.

I'm noticing that everything is a pattern and is everything is complementary to everything; the sjw's destroy while the people who "sort themselves out" rebuild what the sjws destroyed; endless cycle. He should listen to his own advice and knowledge sometimes.

>>140084669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzIGGKJCdJI

>>140080757
he gives advice for people who live bullshit lives in the CIVILIZED world, seeing problems where there aren't any, and being depressed despite being the 0.001% of the world
some dirty bozneg grocery-store security guard can clean or not clean his room, he'll still be a piece of shit OBVIOUSLY
lmfao @ you monkeys

>>140084818
The room and overall living space is an externalization of the mind. A clean, orderly living space indicates someone who is organized, diligent, and caring of themselves.

People have to understand the "clean your room" meme. It doesn't just mean "okay it's clean wow results are coming out of the wood work!!". It's about temperament, self respect, and discipline. Peterson often says that once you can handle sorting your own chaos and turning it into order, you can get your feelers out for amounts of chaos a little larger in size, like perhaps taking care of family problems, building a better career, quitting porn and masturbation, etc. Things that are bigger than cleaning your room. But everyone has to start somewhere. Everyone has to grasp the concept of turning chaos into order and dabble in it before being able to take on greater amounts.

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>>140084922
This. I would literally never associate with anyone IRL who openly was into that shit. I'm desensitized to it now from being here for so long, and I never sperg about it but since we're on the topic it must be said. Animu is weapons-grade normie/decent vagina repellant.

>>140085310
what I saw was a (((socialist))) professor who couldnt shut the fuck up about muh nazis. muh white supremacist, muh ebul trump and how horrible it was that trump didnt bash the fash.
that kind of unreflected bias is in my eyes worse than some badly worded argument in a 3 hour conversation.

>>140085205
you're hopeless
are you asian? you seem asian

>>140085715
You might as well be talking about Jordan Peterson with that sentence.

>>140084669
>tel the truth, it's the only way to live a virtuous life
>except when it would affect your image, or is inconvenient

>>140083825
>dirty room
>don't lift
>study stem but doing shit therefore going to need atleast one more year than normal students
>don't have a job
>not a weeb
>not khv
>sociable and go out atleast once a week
>have friends and a group of 20 people who I consider to be very good friends (the kind of people who's house you can just walk into uninvited and play video games with or watch football with)

I'm the opposite of you
life's pretty good except for the studying part tho...

>>140085800
jordan always says white NATIONALISTS and not supremacist just to name one difference. and its a big one.
that's one of the topics he cant really speak his mind beyond "have more children". but if you pay attention in his interviews, like with that tara whatever who is an ethno nationalist, then you can see that he is aware and knows. but he deflects for good reasons.

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>>140085796
no im not asian, im purely swedish
explain what you mean instead retard
>>140085840
maybe living like a slob is the trick to social fulfilment

>>140086140
What reasons might those be? the ones that confirm and idealize them in your mind and put him in a safe spot?

Hmmm

>>140086360
the reasons why he cant talk about white nationalism or their causes? because americans are too retarded to distance themselves from nazishit.
no idea why jared taylor and all the others didnt see that. not even talking of spencergoy with his alt kike here
jordan is aware that everything that is even slightly related to nazis crashes and burns.

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>>140080757

What is wrong with being a 'nerd' OP? You need to slay the dragon within you.

>>140086541
Yeah, explains why he talks about moments when open borders are a good thing and moments where they are a bad things.

If anything, he's a centrist and going the nationalist route, he'd be a civic nationalist.

>>140080757
What if my room cannot be cleaned? What then?

>>140080757
>depending on someone elses advice to improve your life

u deserve it you lazy piece of shit, grow a brain and stop asking for life advice and then play the victim card when it doesnt work for you

>>140085205
confirmed drone

>>140086799
you imply when he says open borders he means mass immigration ideally from African shitholes. I truly doubt that. but context matters. provide the actual examples and we can analyse it.

>>140084922
Hey reddit!

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>>140085205
which niche

>>140083825
I'll be your friend!

>>140086240
you want to know the real trick?
it's being social early on in life. most of my best friends I've known since childhood the rest of my friends I made trough school, from talking to people at parties OR thanks to the friends I already have.

it's much easier making friends when you already have some firstly because you can go to social events with them and secondly because talking to "friends of your friends" is also much easier than talking to complete strangers.

>>140083825
>>work part time as freelance coder
Get a real job.

>>140085800
Another anon said when the debate was newer, that the Hitler condemnation was tactical, a defensive move so that Weinstein couldn't accuse Peterson of being soft on Hitler.

>>140086999
watch his biblical lectures and q&a's.

He says it whilst being up to date with the news and knowing the situation the world is in. So he directly implicates him in the open borders debacle, that one being immigration from african shitholes. He hasn't made a solid stance on it but he leans to the left and is often gratious about immigrants and saying they work hard.

Next to that, he's correct that white nationalist shouldn't play identity politics; that they should develop themselves into being the best they can be. I agree with him on this. The issue being, he's talking, again, about this specific political climate, where big companies are openly boasting about diversity hiring and equity. So white men need to develop themselves for a world where they aren't welcome and just take all the push back because ??????? what?

You know the term limousine liberal? He's baically that, but speaking to conservatives.

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>>140087152
a branch in real-time embedded systems
>>140087154
arigato
>>140087211
makes sense, i had a few friends back in middle school but then i moved quite a ways and never really fit in well enough to form meaningful relations with anyone
>>140087220
when i get my masters i will

>>140084507
having a clean depression nest helps 10 fold

>>140086360
Reasons to deflect? Because he'd lose his platform - if not from the university (he's got tenure), but from all his good-thinking supporters.

I haven't seen him call the alt-right white nationalists, but I'm grateful to him for it if so - that's accurate, where white supremacists isn't. Bless him for paying attention and getting it right if nothing else.

>>140087528
that wasn't what the debate was about, at all, Brett weinstein felt that Jordan was basically depicting him as pure evil and he's not. If anything this debate was to bridge the gap and humanize hitler more, because he was human.

it's the last 20(?) minutes of the podcast, weinstein humanizes hitler

>>140087640
Yeah, moving is murder on social circles.

>>140087857
Yeah, he simply calls the alt-right people having fun with a few bad apples

That's the gist of his view about the alt-right. Bless him for that, he totally takes it seriously.

>>140088098
I've been meaning to watch it - more and more interesting.

>>140083825
>clean room
>lift
>study stem
>work part time as freelance coder

the next step is: stop complaining
you're already ahead of the pack you retard

>>140080757
He is literally only known because of the pronoun controversy. Nobody on the alt right would give a shit about his lectures if he hadn't been on their side on that issue in the media. He will fade back into obscurity soon when people realise he didn't get famous by lecturing.

>>140088331
that last part is only about hitler, sadly, the 2 hours before that is basically a discussion that jordan has in his videos with feedback from weinstein. It's interesting but I expected a discussion about hitler.

Even joe, around the 2 hour mark said that they hadn't talked about hitler yet. Jordan said he was tired and Weinstein took the reigns.

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>>140080757

cleaning your room is just the first step anon

>>140083825
tell yourself "I am not myself". Don't define your existence by your believes and what you have and have not done. This will make you more happy and less reserved to act.

>>140081320
you idiot, he is explaining what "truth" means to people, and truth for people means whatever is useful to them at the moment, hence why you cant just rely on "the truth"

>>140088434
> their side on that issue
If you mean that more broadly, synecdoche for the whole SJW infection, then yes. But that's big.
No, he won't lose his popularity (actually I seldom hear him mentioned on the alt-right), as long as SJWism is there to be fought, and he's fighting it.

>>140084299
You should add "but you don't acknowledge that it's about pronouns and say it's about freespeech"

>>140088843
That's quite a trick. You need some shrooms or ayahuasca to help :)

>>140080757
I never took him seriously beyond his psychology lectures (the more scientific oriented ones, not the maps of meanings/Jungian stuff). He reeks of motivational speaker.

>>140081320
Peterson is himself a post-modernist. That's why he harps about post-modernism: it's not the "right" kind of post-modernism.

>I've put barely any effort into improving my life, maybe not even 5% of what I can do, and still expected that everything suddenly becomes amazing overnight, but it didn't
>Therefore, he is wrong
how would you know
you can't even put the effort into looking at yourself properly
why would anyone assume you put any effort into your thoughts?

>>140089248
Yeah except he's figuring it out for himself and then sharing. He's not selling anything (inb4 his self-authoring, but he'll never get rich off of that).

>>140083825
well stop avoiding meeting people

>>140084299
Fuck off an kys commie

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>>140084814
Nice pic saved

>>140081320
Absolute reduction of his ideas doesn't make your criticism intelligent, quite the opposite. His theory on levels of abstraction is an attempted method of describing how the brain confronts and interacts with reality. His advised way of doing this is not one that discards objectivity, but seeks it through creating a belief structure that represents it most effectively. Just because he understands that humans are intrinsically illogical in certain respects and that we can't just cast that off on a large scale without major social and political consequence does't make him a postmodernist, its actually a very constricting and conservative viewpoint. In conjunction with his beliefs about hierarchy and what constitutes a good outcome, it puts a full stop on the belief that you can simply use whatever truth is most useful at the moment. Its actually a relatively scientific approach to dealing with subjectivity. You create a hypothesis/belief structure, then you test it over different situations and attempt to understand the results. Obviously one person can't reach a sample size large enough or informed enough to do this properly, which takes you into his theories on religion, mythology, and culture being a distillation process, a try at pooling all the results and deriving a subjective truth that is truly most in harmony with the natural world, including our humanity. If society dare discard this for whatever truth seems more palatable to ill-conceived ends, you get horrific results. That's why he doesn't believe in authoritarian collectivism, its too dangerous to forcibly unite a whole society under one subjective truth because a single subjective truth is not adequate across time, sans the only way of being consistently and adequately put in check by the natural world.

>>140089379
I don't think that's what people are complaining about. Rather, that Peterson is misdirecting people towards trivial things, like putting your own life in order, which are not of much use when your whole society is in the midst of being swallowed up by a tide. You don't clean your room during an earthquake. There are more pressing concerns we are facing right now.
Sure, some people needed the advice. They have fucked up lives that need fixing. But in the grand scheme of things, Peterson is only working, wittingly or not, to defang the formation of a solution.

We have a proverb in romanian. It fits Peterson to a T:
The country is up in flames, but the old hag is brushing her hair.
That's what Peterson is advocating. That we stop trying to put out the flames, and instead look up after our own image.

>you don't want to win at identity politics
>if you use your enemies' weapons against them, they win
Peterson in a nutshell.

>>140083825
Stop watching anime
Lift
Do keto for diet
Play football or do BJJ to make friends

I just fixed your life

>>140089978
I'm not too familiar with him but I thought his bullshit wasn't so much, "Get your life in order" as it is "Stop putting shit off". Cause when you have so much free time you can do something productive literally any time of day you tend to put it off because you can just do it later. I always took "Clean your room" as "Take action NOW, not later". Could be wrong though.

>>140080824
>damage control
>lmao

you're a retarded child, fuck off, this site is 18+ only

>>140083825
When you start trying to socialize. Making yourself into a good person isn't going to help you get friends if nobody can see that you are a person they might like to interact with. It's like being an artist and keeping all your painting in the attic and hardly ever mentioning them. Sure, you can reap all the intrinsic benefits of your craft, but nobody is going to know that you can draw or paint. You have to be able to communicate your worth to others, and that is not easy to learn once you have left childhood, though definitely doable.

>>140090350
its more of a fix yourself before you fix world politics type thing

>>140080757
He got deeeeestroyed by Sam Harris. Can't even fathom the concept of truth, thus he's not better than the postmodernists he hates so much. His stories are interesting and he is a good story-teller though.

No, Pinokio is not a work of genius. No, the Bible is not a giant, brilliant metaphor. God does not exist and there is no reason to believe otherwise outside of desperate fear.

>>140083825
Actually follow his advice, of which cleaning your room is just an example: "Clear up the things that announce themselves as being in need of cleaning up". Your messy room announces itself as needing to be cleaned up, but maybe your social skills announce themselves in a similar way.

So fix it: Do the best thing you can get yourself to do. Join a teamsport or go to a bar or try tinder or whatever. If that all seems like too much, figure out something else what you could do. Hell, being in a WoW guild is better than nothing. And doing teamsports beats that, and maybe then you can get yourself to go to a bar, and maybe then you feel like you could ask someone on a date, etc. etc. etc.

>>140090935

>He got deeeeestroyed by Sam Harris.

Sam Harris sounded like a fucking 5 year old repeating "but why" over and over again.

>>140090935
How did he get destroyed when Harris is working off insane notions like objective truth and morality inherent in facts? That fuck is as intellectually dishonest as they come.

>>140080757
Peterson is the Meme Master!

>>140090935
Math equations in word form aren't truth. Facts aren't truth. Definitions aren't truth.

>>140091418
"intellectually dishonest" is a meme. There is objective truth in this world and one has to be detached from reality entirely (or desperate to get detached) in order to believe otherwise.

>>140091660
Name one thing that is objectively true.

>>140091641
Something being useful doesn't make it true. Go to bed Peterson, read something outside of dead psychoanalysts. It's not 1920 anymore.

>>140080757
he's not a fraud. but people made the mistake to believe he could give them an instruction on how to live their lives.

Learn from his stuff and apply it to your life. I for one don't hate cleaning my home as much as I did. Also I realized the importance of having goals in life.

>>140091909
Trump is the current president of your country. Explain to me using the power of memes how this is that not objectively true at this very moment in time. Oh and don't forget to misunderstand quantum physics while doing so (quackers just love that shit).

>>140092173
Now give me an objective moral truth, which is what the whole Harris debate was about.

>>140083716
>loot boxes
unrelated, but I installed Heroes of the Storm yesterday. I hadn't played the game for forever and somehow I got 5 loot boxes.

Holy fuck. I could feel my dopamine system working when I opened that shit. Even though I don't play the game, don't have a flying fuck what the loot I received does. But fuck ... those Activision Jew psychologists have that crap figured out perfectly.

I deleted the game later after playing one vs AI game. Too much self improvement ... I felt honestly really bad after playing the game and was disappointed with myself.

Modern video games are worse than Opium.

>>140088434
Now I'm not into psychology. But fuck, his lectures area really interesting and the recent ones have absolutely great production quality.

Can think of him what you want - but he's got that lecturing thing figured out.

>>140089978
If you can't keep a clean room how do you want to fix society. Or: why do you think society would be better if people like you fixed it?

Remove pathology out of your life. Then think about removing it from others'.

>>140092289
Raping a child is evil as it directly reduces the wellbeing of the said child (which can be measured, as psychology does hold tools that are able to operationalize human wellbeing and Peterson would agree with this. Well, he wouldn't have a choice, as a clinical psychologist he's forced to use those tools).

And no, if you add something like "if this child is not raped, the WHOLE WORLD DIES!", does not make it any less true. The Objective truth is, this kind of decision will never have to be made by anyone, it's simply a cowardly cop-out into the world of abstractions

>>140090935
>No, the Bible is not a giant, brilliant metaphor. God does not exist and there is no reason to believe otherwise outside of desperate fear.
Looks like you don't have the required IQ to understand the whole thing. Whenever I hear some retard discredit Peterson because "LOLOL HE BELIEVES IN GOD" I know that a retard is speaking.

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>>140080757
>It's another proxy up and attack (person) because you've noticed they've become popular on /pol/, episode

>>140081320
I do enjoy watching him attack the various outcroppings and consequences of Nietzschian philosophy mixing with neo-Marxism, while using Nietzschian and otherwise subjective arguments himself. He attacks Marxism directly with pointed criticism, but then trips over himself to fellatiate the Jews who created and spread and continue to maintain, Marxism.

The world has no time for half-truths or coward-philosophers.

>>140092921
You haven't hit the moral clause. Why must one not rape children? Why is it bad in all cases on all levels? It has to meet that to be objective and the only way I know to meet that is absolutely morality handed down from the Divine.

>>140089978
getting your life together is trivial? its quite the opposite of that

>>140091374
>I don't think the sun is real
>but why
>because I just don't
>buy why
>I simply can't agree it's there
>but why
>omg sam can you like not

>>140093060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIh1xQiuI8
>do you believe in god, yes or no?
>I-I-I d-d-don't like the questions
It's a simple yes or no question. Do you believe that there is a watching, all knowing-being: yes or no.
Just because he's afraid of the answer, doesn't make this question impossible to answer given all the available knowledge. Without fear and with the ability to think rationaly, the most probable answer is clear (although not 100% certain)

>>140089978
He's an educator concerned with how individuals get manipulated by groups. Instead of spreading marxist propaganda the education system should be focused on building up the individual so that his room is clean and his anti-manipulation toolset is strong. His points are valid wherever you are on the political spectrum, accept them and move forward with the white ethnostate and gas chambers.

>which can be measured, as psychology does hold tools that are able to operationalize human wellbeing and Peterson would agree with this
Not to the extent that you can derive moral principles from those tools. The actual measured result of relying on those materialistic tools is a world of spoiled idiots chopping off their dicks and aiming nukes at each other to "maximize wellbeing". The highest ideal in the kind of utilitarian world you want is super-heroin chambers for everyone to live out their lives in complete safety and "wellbeing". Much simpler way to minimize pain is to just kill all humans.

>>140092921
>>140093577

>>140093159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzAzK7J2A7I&t=23s

not once mentions the jews

the title is misleading; its mostly about russia, the revolution and communism/soviet union

>>140093525
It's far from a simple question, one that would take me about an hour to think about and another 30 minutes to answer. It's also a loaded question that requires operationalizing all the concepts so brainlets don't misconstrue you.

>>140084299
I do agree that his postmodernism discussion is a bit to much, but his work like the biblical series is legit good.

>>140093301
By reducing the wellbeing of other human, you therefore ultimately reduce the wellbeing of all humans (assumption and this is the weakest part of the argument btw, as this can be easily disputed, too complicated to get in here), thus bringing the world closer to the metaphorical "hell". If you don't believe a world where babies are raped is a world which is objectively worse, than I don't know what to tell you. Yes, if you are going to play the game of "nuh-uh!" when it comes to suffering and continue to say "who are we to say X is wrong?", when someone rapes your child, then yes, relativism wins. At the end of the day, if one is a psychopath, all of this means nothing. Good thing we do have a functioning limbic system and are capable of comprehending suffering outside of a few social parasites.

>>140080757
Cleaning my car is much more therapeutic than cleaning my room. It gives me self confidence and I'm not afraid of giving friends or co-workers rides home.

>>140093438
precisely this. If you have an agenda, be it feminism, leftism, sad-froggism or any other way one can be fucked in the head, you will always reject reality

>>140093710
Maybe it is because he only explains settled questions to retards so they can be less retarded. Sort of like learning navigation. Pointless to know your bearing if you don't know where the fuck you are. The JQ ain't settled.

>>140089978
his philosophy is more
>incremental improvement starting now will lead to you being a civilised monster in 10 years, competent, capable, and able to be relied upon by the people around you
as opposed to
>i'm depressed, lazy and weak and need to join a collectivist ideology in order to survive and feel like i'm making a difference
and he's got a point. white nationalism is clearly needed at this point due to the demographic crisis, but how capable is the average person on /pol/ of actually doing anything to improve his country's situation politically? probably not very, given that we're all sitting here shitposting for far too much time out of our days.

but the idea of cleaning your room is to go and do something small in the world, that is a foundation on which to do more in the world, and become more competent, until you're capable of moving in the world and actually improving it. this is good advice, the heroic individual is central to western civilisation, collectivism at best will be a horrific solution to even worse problems. if we go down that road everything's going to be fucked no matter how it turns out.

>>140083825
I know, I have a good social life, but for some reason I haven't magically learned how to program yet. It's so weird, I can't figure out what the problem is. I have friends, I lift, I shower, I lost my virginity... what else can I possibly do?

>>140094578
>precisely this
stopped reading, back to the reddit echo chamber with you

>>140093577
>Much simpler way to minimize pain is to just kill all humans
I actually agree. Given this death is quick and not endless torture and slaughter (Islam).

>>140094906
not an argument frogman

>>140094906
>back to the reddit echo chamber with you

stopped reading there

>>140094999
>not an argument fallacy

>>140095044
>there
stopped reading

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>>140083825
Im your friend. We all are.

Never give up anon

>>140083825
How much anime/games do you watch/play on average per day?
If the answers is more than one hour, you missed the whole fucking point.

>>140094377
The problem there is that I can just shift from your utilitarian epistemology into hedonism or some kind of egoism and say fuck it to society and make cases where there are no consequences for the perpetrator, but I'm bored with this.

Anyway, the problem is that Harris is assuming that moral truth is inherent and not applied and also that it is utterly objective. Also, it's bizarre that an atheist is even making those claims, but then this is the man that shits on every religion but buddhism.

>When did you realize le meme garbageman was a fraud?

when he jumped on the "porn is bad" train
don't me wrong, if you want to nofap then do whatever makes you feel good, but selling this idea that masturbation and porn is damaging seriously lacks evidence.
most of the people that talk about nofap and porn often make broad generalizations, i agree that a fantasy can go too far and porn can ruin your self confidence but lets be real here, the average joe nowdays doesn't get laid, and getting laid in general is such a coinflip that people rather resort to porn, its safer to gamble than getting consent from woman

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>>140083825
Also, find Jesus you pagan

This explains why Jordan Peterson is a faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKL3MsKRtJo

>>140093438
What is the "sun"? You mean the thing you perceive as a glowing sphere in the sky? It's only limited to that definition because of your perception of it and tradition. The sun reaches far beyond our solar system, everything that happens on earth is animated as part of that system. We aren't outside the actual physical phenomena being described, we are part of it. Limiting the concept to a far away sphere is not accurate, not "true". It's tradition and true enough.

1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples
What is an apple? A part of a tree that has certain properties, the tree is part of the ground and made from the air. The separations of the world into concepts is subjective. The apple exists to us because the process we call tree projects the concept of apple purposefully. "1" does not exist in the material world, only in the human world but it's still objectively true that 1+1=2.

>>140094951
You should kill yourself then. It's the logical conclusion.

>>140080757
I knew all along, hes a fraud with no philosophy, a trickster with mental gymnastics.

>>140093577
no such thing as individualism, its a pipe dream
humans as a whole make decisions that are based on decisions that others make. we need commonality in order to find common ground.
if peterson is so obsessed with getting people's lives in order, why does he accept donations? he let other people sort his life instead of doing it by himself

>>140085840
Holy shit are you me!?I used to lift watch anime,work and study hard.When college came i threw it all out on the window and became social as fuck and got laid a fuckton and made alot of friends.

>>140080757
Now you must clean yourself

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>>140094785
>The JQ ain't settled.
Oh, but it is.

100% of "Jews" might not be in on it, but the Spartacist Uprising being nearly all Jews, the Bolshevik Uprising being nearly all Jews, the Weather Underground consisting of a large number of Jews, the Spanish Reds being instructed by Soviet Jews, most Marxist media personalities in America being Jews, etc. etc., aren't all a coincidence. They're a fraction of the population, yet they always seem to end up in the leadership positions of the most violent communist movements in the West world. Guess who got caught hosting the "White Privilege" conference in California for militant blacks and Marxists? The Simon Wiesenthal Center.

We tolerate them as they overtly undermine us and instruct others to be intolerant of us.

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>>140096037
>no such thing as individualism, its a pipe dream
I agree that we need group identities but at the same time the strengthening of the individual is the ultimate productive ideal. Schools especially should focus on strengthening the individual not indoctrination. Indoctrination into the group identity should come from the national church preferably.

>>140080757

It's weird. Theirs a fundamental flaw in this guys reasoning. He seems to believe that action/will do to something is a spontaneous thing and it isn't.

He talks like actions are determined by psychological state, while ignoring the purpose of actions.

>>140085634
This is a good interpretation of Petersen's thesis.

>>140083825
never. peterson talks about how if you weren't properly socialized by the age of four you're pretty much fucked. that's us.

>>140081320
It's incredible the irony behind this post that while taking issue with Peterson's stance, is proving him right.

>>140096681
In other cases it's the 99th percentile IQ and extreme introversion. It's like making friends with dogs, only not as rewarding.

>>140096301
>>140096037
The only way to get "the individual" is to drop a person in a secluded environment with no technology, language, or history, and leave them to their own devices indefinitely. What you'll get is a caveman.

We're the sum of thousands of years of evolution, technology, and culture, which is why it's objectively a tragedy if we let third world bastards come here and undermine all of it.

>>140095436
>young men today is the first generation ever that grew up with porn
>every day since the age of 12 they fapped to other men fucking attractive women
>the cuck wave just happened to come when these boys became adults

Porn brainwashes you into enjoying the sight of other men fucking the women you desire. It's extremely obvious that porn is very dangerous. If you completely lack self controll, then at least look at naked solo girls and pinup pics.

>>140087127
>hesrightyouknow.png

>>140096533
no, not exactly.
school preaches individualism, not collectivism.
show me where school teaches kids how to build things together and cooperate?
what school preaches is simply "make it out on your own" and "you are in control of your own destiny". they let you have group projects often by force and not by choice which discourages you from working with other people.
how many companies are built on people who knew eachother in school? not many.
cooperation in schools is mainly based on what the one can get from the other and not necessarily long-term.
if anything school is preaching what peterson is preaching

>>140085058
huh? first off it wasn't a debate, second JP had a lot more interesting things to say.

>>140084365
10 bucks says he was from /Britpol/.

>>140080757
He's Canadian so what do you expect? Its like being the smartest retard.

>>140096906
There is still an individual who is a unique combination of factors that delineates them from the group. Erasing that for group identity is bad because exceptional people that further the group aren't like the group.

You have to get a laundry basket too, and put your laundry in it

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>>140096681
Why are you guys so obsessed about being social chads? Why not be the isolated priest class that builds the future like the monks who built the modern world? Your powers of autism combined is far beyond what any Chad can dream of. Chad usually lives an empty hedonistic life with no connection to the past or the future.

>>140096954
>It's extremely obvious that porn is very dangerous.
Which is why all the major porn creators/distributors are Jews. Berlin was an absolute hellhole of porn and degeneracy prior to NSDAP taking power, and once NSDAP fell from power, guess what the Jews immediately did? Turned art galleries into porn shops. There's an art gallery in Germany that was used primarily to demonstrate "Volkish" artwork during NSDAP's reign. Jews bought it in the post-war period and turned it into a gay sex gallery for the expressed purpose of attacking the very soul of Germans. I'm not joking or making this up. I'll find you the article if I can

>>140097368
>Why are you guys so obsessed about being social chads?
because that's the only mindset society accepts.
the reason civilization took off is because we learned how to trust eachother, but ever since we started pushing this "make yourself better for the world" crap everything went downhill.
those party animal chads are the most selfish people you can meet, but that's what society preaches

>>140083825
>study stem
>work part time as freelance coder
That's your problem right here.

>>140084299

>flag

Checks out.

>>140097240
You're talking about the Übermensch. Keeping cultures monocultural is what is needed to create such a creature, which is precisely why "multiculturalism" is being pushed on the West. It's to stop the creation of exceptional individuals, and to basically destroy the progression of Western man into something greater (than what the rest of the world has to offer).

>>140097368

well that's an idea anon and i like it

well also its not like above average IQ people, autism or not actually can be chad's because in way of Peterson it usually comes with heightened neuroticism and empathy
even sorted, most of us will never be a chad thundercock because you need to be dumb as a brick to be one

>>140080757
You reap what you sow. Cleaning your room is just the first step you dipshit.

>>140092173
>not my President

>>140084814
Hmm, guess I'm only slightly redpilled then because Yuri is the one who makes the most sense out of any of them to me

All I see is a depressed intellectual with a hardon for gommunist-induced paranoia, and the courage wolf dogma that people have free will and complete control over their unconscious whims.

43 NEET here, still playing videogames, still smoking weed, still not cleaning my room, still not giving a fuck. I even got a girlfriend who I'll get pregnant once I buy a 30k hut in France's buttfuck nowhere. Ambition is a bliss killer, but you NEED a way to get passive income flowing in. If you haven't had the luck to be born in a semi-wealthy environment which will provide you a basic income in the form of some real estate, you will have to work a few years, find the better way for you to get starting finances to set up a passive income, "retire at 30" stuff and all that jazz.

Ideology wars are fucking retarded. Get a plot of land, grow vegetables, build stirling engines, this is the biggest fuck you there is against western faux-liberalism/free market

>>140097368
people are social creatures and need socialization for their well being. when every social encounter results in some combination frustration, rejection, shame, anger, and pain, you've got a recipe for perpetual dissatisfaction with life itself.

>>140098005
Varg?

>>140098174

hahaha thought about the same thing

>>140098005

shut up Varg.

>>140080757
You've clearly missed the point, you colossal madjar fuck

>>140096954
>Porn brainwashes you into enjoying the sight of other men fucking the women you desire

i disagree. its well known that most woman rate most men as below average attractiveness. if reality had better payoff than fantasy we wouldn't have porn take off like it did.

now im not blaming woman for having high standards, woman usually hold off for the best male they can find and in a world of instant gratification there is no reason to settle for your highschool sweetheart anymore.
some of you guys are living in somekind of fantasy, the times have changed

never trusted him to begin with.

could prove it when he defended cuckianity and praised the kikes as well as didn't explore the origins of SJW's. pretty obvious stuff.

also he said freedom of speech leads to antisemitism so. retarded.

>>140083825
Never, and that's the point. It's continuous effort. Video games lied to you, you idiot, there is not ending where you sit back and chill.

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>>140089331
Post modernism is literally culture communism. He just likes Maoist communism over stalinist communism.

When will /pol/ learn and stop giving up their hard earned autism-bux to the current /ourguy/ourgirl/ of the month?

Jordan Peterson's advice only works for people who never had a father to teach them anything. Another problem is that his philosophy only addresses problems that an individual faces. Being a successful, fulfilled individual won't change the fact that whites are being replaced in tgeir own countries. Jordan dismisses any idea of collective identity, which contributes to our collective's dissolution.

Chad and Stacey don't watch Japanimation.

>>140084814
his advice to never eat carbs is autistic. sweet potatoes are my friends! oatmeal!

>>140098018
I think you need a baseline ego derived from being good at something rewarding that people respect. Like learn how to play the guitar or something maybe? But only if it really interests you. Autists often get into magic, it's autistic but at least it's positive.

>>140097469
I know all this. It's so frustrating seeing people here of all places defending obvious jewish brainwashing. Our grandfathers didn't need a 24/7 stream of degenerate porn, but so many modern men go into complete hysterics at the thought of not watching their sissy/tranny porn, gangbangs, and "painal" porn. Porn is now considered to be an essential need for survival. And they honestly don't believe they have a serious problem.

>>140080757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgAfjyiEmg

Still too lazy to read his work, /pol/?

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2/publications/4

I promise it'll be worth your while.

>>140080757
> gnostic views on religion
> treats religious beliefs as expressions of subconscious thought processes in humans while holding on to a naturalistic worldview
> pseudo religious psychospiritual New Age mishmash
> Religion is only useful for social "utility"
> no possibility of absolute "truth"

he's a postmodernist hypster faggot and an attention whore

>>140097775
I'm not talking about the übermensch, at least not directly, I'm talking about anyone who is socially deviant in the sense that they differ exceptionally from the norm in some way. What identity politics seeks to do is stop the expression of exceptional individuals by making them adhere to group stereotypes that don't even apply to them.

Taking your western ideal, the kind of people who actually push things forward are fucking degenerate, statistically speaking. You want beautiful art? It's all fart fetishits and homosexuals. You want world changing mathematics? Fart fetishists and homosexuals. Science? Autists and Jews. The relationshp between IQ and personality leads to weirdos being the ones who advance anything faster than a snail's pace. These people, in addition to belonging to your Western group, belong to their own groups that are separate from the population.

>>140090630
mfw I am an artist with an attic full of paintings. Not in it for the fame tho, they can find them after I'm done here

>>140081320
Isn't his whole idea on truth based on shielding yourself from suffering.

>>140080757
I realized it when he started trying to use psychology to get fatherless boys and men to follow him in some kind of cult. What he says is a lot of safe shit that never really red pilled outside of his anti-SJW stance just like 99% of all the skeptics on youtube (like sargon). Hes a coward fuck who does not understand individualism is what is causing the west to fail while all these other ethno groups over take us and replace us.

>>140098802
Going for a 10-day walk in the wilderness, belly breathing and 16hr a day fasting will yield infinitely better results than this pseudo-intellectual crap, which is really Jordan Peterson using ideology peddling to perform his own little psychotherapy

>>140098790
>Our grandfathers didn't need a 24/7 stream of degenerate porn
that's because he didn't have the internet, outside of his phone and mail he didn't have any connection to the outside world.
now every basic bitch can log into tinder or instagram and find the baddest chad in a 100km radius. and most likely that chad will comply.
you have to realize that porn isn't the problem, its just a symptom. its easy to speak well of your grandfather from 100 years ago when we didn't even have a fucking train to carry us from point A to point B

>>140098895
I used to write a lot. Every day something would set me off addressing questions and formulating a consistent world view on paper. I stopped at some point because I felt I'd never have the balls to show it to anybody.

>>140084299
Wow socialists do have the best memes. I guess it's all over let's pack up and go home boys.

>>140083969
No its not even that hes a normie who is still stuck in this bullshit idea of individualism. Its fucking worthless and it might have helped 20 yrs ago but not fucking now.

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>>140080757
You are just jelly that your makers were too stupid to tell the difference between penn and jordan because all they see is a magician throwing their hopes and dreams into the trash where they belong.

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Peterson can't just say that absolute truth exists and that god is real or he'll lose all of his p[ic related support base. He isn't an enemy of postmodernism or nihilism he is it's clearest expression.

>>140080757
I love these anti-JBP threads
His core message is "sort yourself out"
What a fraud amirite?
You faggots are all fatties with messy rooms
>in all fields

>>140099187
But this is not new. Back then Chad got plenty of sex, while the average man had to be able to provide for a wife. This is how it has always been. You're just making excuses for your addiction and your lack of self control.

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>>140099050
This.
Individualism is what's preventing us from defending our interests as a race

>>140099377
Replace the maga hat with an antifa mask and the meme becomes accurate

>>140099808
You aren't a race.

>>140099594
i find it hard to believe that men in the 1930's had harems of woman outside of radio stars and musicians.
plus, the average age of marriage was like 18, most woman had only 1 sex partner in a lifetime.
we are talking about the industrial revolution where most people had to work their asses off to build bridges and machines, there was no such thing as getting rich off showing your pretty face

>>140099938
are you a nigger?

>>140100427
Do you really want to lump yourself in with the irish?

>>140100608
I understand where you are coming from but this is a different situation. Its kind of like how if aliums came to earth to kill us everyone would try to work together as much as possible to stop the invaders. Now replace aliums with non-whites trying to destroy the west and the world as all the different types of white people (even the ones you don't like) come together to try to stop the ultimate demise of the west and our individual peoples. Remember once they finally get rid of Germany and Sweden they will come for everyone else.

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>>140099938
When the government and other races seek to root out people like me, then yes, I am a race. When whites as a collective are attacked, the only way to protect ourselves is to fight back as a collective, whether we like it or not. A MAGA hat can be bought, blood cannot.

>>140100608
>>140100882
Also after we have fixed the issue we should be able to work out our differences between ourselves so be it.

>>140100882
>once they finally get rid of Germany and Sweden
You're going first, Yank.

>>140100882
I always figured we'd actively genocide eachother while working together in an intergalactic war. Seems like the most efficient way.

>>140101032
You're already dead, stop talking.

>>140083641
Some Navy admiral says they require navy to make their beds as the first step to accomplishing something every day. Start off with success, albeit small and hope more comes throughout the day. Worst case, u fucked up all day, you come back to a neat bed and say at least I did that. I don't personally buy it, but it's momentum of success.

>>140101032
We are trying to stop it by electing someone who is going to end DACA its all a start for SOMETHING. I'm really not trying to start an argument here we are all in this together and have to wake our people up to fight the common enemy.

>>140080757
>Have always kept my room clean
>It's clean as fuck at this very moment
>Still a NEET loner

Wh-what the fuck do I do to improve my life and help save the white race now, guys?

>>140101360
Take the Self-Authoring course, keyword: joerogan.

>>140099760
illegible

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>>140083825

Anime will always hold you back. Anime is social poison.

>>140084299
>Sam Harris won
Peterson lists some very strong points and Harris is the one who gets extremely caught up in semantics.
>Peterson illustrates that people have subjective truths much like Scott adams does
>Harris does this "THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND TRUMP IS A FACTUAL FASCIST PSYCHOPATH" not realizing that that's just like his opinion man
>Not ever addressing that confirmation bias ever being called out as a fallacy is bullshit as in a debate every "truth" you bring up is simply confirmation bias and that humans will always pluck what truths help them rationalize their decisions
>Doesn't fucking realize that political divides exist because people pick their own belief structures and truths that solidify each other which is how discussions exist in which neither party is necessarily wrong
>So busy caught up on talking about what the dictionary.com definition of truth is that he doesn't realize (as many who disagree with Peterson's point) that he is doing EXACTLY what Peterson is describing
>But so long as Harris can keep cutting him off to an audience of fedoras hes got an easy win
Harris is a hack and needs to keep his nose out of politics, the dude is as inconsistent as any High school Hillary supporter. He goes on these tirades about bigotry and hate and how Trump is a baffoon who just happened to be in the exact right place, say the exact right thing, against a party that exactly sucked exactly so much dick, and put himself there because he happened to have exactly enough money in exactly the right place to build exactly enough of a name for himself to even get to exactly where he is now, by no means of effort or intelligence, without ever mentioning that the opposing party was so fucking bad that even if you didn't like Trump he looked so attractive compared to Hillary who not only was supported by a grand dragon of the KKK but spoke kind words about him.

>>140101360
The 'cleaning your room' bit is an example of tackling achievable problems at hand to make yourself a better person. Its not limited to cleaning.

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>>140098819
>the kind of people who actually push things forward are fucking degenerate
Literally no, this is a recent phenomenon in every sense of the word, and is being used as an excuse to handwave the horrors of Progressivism. Cultural and scientific progress has nearly flatlined since the Cultural Marxist revolution, and IQ has dropped roughly 14 points across the Western world, with an even steadier decline predicted.

> You want beautiful art? It's all fart fetishits and homosexuals.
This is why I can't take your post seriously. Even a basic education in Art History would teach you that the 'homosexuals' lauded in today's (((modern press))) used male models because it wasn't religiously acceptable to use naked female models in the earlier stages of the Renaissance. This has been grossly memed out of proportion, and it was memed on purpose to push an agenda. You're arguing the viewpoints of the bubble without realizing you're in the bubble.

> Science? Autists and Jews.
Just no. Jews have been basically inconsequential in the development of Western science. Even Einstein capitalized upon the discoveries of other, non-Jewish, men. The only bonefide "autist" I can think of would be Immanuel Kant, who rarely ever left Königsberg.

>What identity politics seeks to do is stop the expression of exceptional individuals by making them adhere to group stereotypes that don't even apply to them.
What identity politics seeks to do is destroy the Western World by eliminating the white gene pool. Identity politics don't exist outside of the West. And White Identity politics only came about as a direct reaction to being attacked by those whom whites so graciously took in. Picture very much related.

>>140098704
>his advice to never eat carbs is autistic

I think he only advices to try it if you have depression or if you are having dietary problems otherwise. It apparently worked for him anyway.

>>140100937
The worst part of (((civic nationalism))) is the idea that nationalism, or even the nation as we know it, will exist in the absence of those of white European descent. We ARE the reason America exists, why the structures of government operate, and why the whole house of cards hasn't collapsed. It defaults to the very Jewish idea that everyone is the same, and all people can be plucked from anywhere, dropped into another nation, and be completely interchangeable with those who are already there.

The notion that America will still be a democracy without whites is laughable. Venezuela was a democracy. Brazil was a democracy. Haiti was a democracy. Zimbabwe was a democracy. Whites create equitable and actionable political ideologies which then operate because they're made to by force of arms. Subtract them, and "muh Constitution" is just a piece of paper in a Plexiglas box, as those outside of the racial/cultural upbringing will have zero appreciation for what a wise white guy centuries ago once did. They already don't. Which is why blacks are now torching Lincoln memorials (the man who freed them?) and Jews/third world mutants are actively campaigning against the 1st and 2nd Amendments. These are concepts that, by demographic, mean absolutely nothing to the majority of them. Anecdotes be damned.

I mean, we're basically a race of Prometheuses, giving fire to the undeserving and being punished for it. Except, not punished by other gods, but by the very people we just helped.

CivNats are cowards for refusing to accept what they already know to be true. They just wish it weren't, because they're scared of facing the consequences.

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>>140094808
This. Basically he is telling young men to rather be an unstanding individual, in the same way a true natsoc would, rather than a degenerate skinhead-tier neo-nazi. That is the only good weay forward. And he gets away with it because he allies himself with jews.

>>140085634
It is also not just about an initial cleaning, it is about KEEPING IT CLEAN.

>>140089978
ROMNIA YES! Bury your fucking head in a problem well out of your scope of influence!

>>140103854
*upstanding

>>140080757
Your shitty attitude is the biggest problem, just like everyone here.

>Smart
>Informed
>Aware of strategy
>...
>Still a whiny angry loser on the internet.

>>140103854
There are points at which an individual needs to decide to conglomerate with other individuals with similar interests to defend themselves from the interests of other collectives. Being an "individual" doesn't mean removing yourself from all other, wider issues - that's just a convenient way of maintaining the cowardly centrist position.

>>140092466
i've played 200+ hours of hots, 300+ of hearthstone

total spent on both games: $2 (i wanted the golden card you got for playing in beta)

>>140081320
Compete cliques of post-modernism, wow.

>>140081320
No thats actually called pragmatism moron.. no wonder your room is filthy you can't even concept.
pragmatic schools of thought only predate postmodernism by a good 50 years at least.
Pragmatism is a philosophical tradition that began in the United States around 1870.
It surmises that because you can't possibly know everything, and that its impossible to know what you do not or can not… you must work with the understanding that you have, to the best of your ability and in doing so you will add to your understanding and expand it.
Has nothing to do with post modernism…
You can't get it clean if you haven't got a clue first,