Why Reddit pretends religion and science are like polar opposites?

>>140071305
>polar opposites
But opposites are identical in nature just different in degree, extremes meet

>>140071305
This. Especially considering almost all the scientists they look up to were religious.

t. Atheist that believes strongly in Judeo-Christian values and hates most atheists.

>>140071305
Religion is blue pilled mind control where critical thinking is taboo. Science is about finding truth and understanding reality.

Science is for work, religion is for art.

>>140072416
Someone tried to be poetic and failed.

>>140071305
Scientists don't usually want anything to do with religion, and atheists mistake this for them actually being atheists.

>>140072257
>Religion is blue pilled mind control where critical thinking is taboo.
Moronic strawman.
>Science is about finding truth and understanding reality.
So is metaphysics, philosophy and politically incorrectness

>>140071305
Because if you achieve rational thought religion seems delusional.

>>140071305
There is also the fact that most religious claims either are against scientific facts or are unfalsifiable therefore are not scientific.

>>140073126
Correction : every religious claim.

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>>140071305

>>140071305
Because they're reddit

>>140072994
Is it not simply a power structure to exert control over the masses by a few elites then?
All the other stuff in religion just seems like fluff and mental gymnastics to obfuscate the true purpose and train followers to blindly accept irrational nonsense.
It's evil.

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>>140071305
>Tesla
>Lemaître
>Heisenberg

Funny how the biggest minds ever walked on earth were Christians though

atheist btfo!

>>140072994
>So is metaphysics
Metaphysics is superstitious garbage for retards which, by definition, has no evidence or theory to back it up. It's just religion without a god.

>>140073407
Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Galileo Galilei and William Thompson too

>>140073419
No. That is not what metaphysics is.
>>140073407
And obviously if they were atheist then they were socially isolated by the society. They were not the biggest minds because they were religious it was in spite of that.

>>140073419
No. That is not what metaphysics is.
>>140073407
And obviously if they were atheist then they were socially isolated by the society. They were not the biggest minds because they were religious it was in spite of that....

Science isn't all that can be tested and proven. Quantum mechanics did away with that. So now a good part of cosmology and partical physics is belief.

Similarly, religion isn't all make-belief. Archaeologists can proove that some stuff that's in the Bible actually took place, though the battles weren't nearly as big as they've been written down.

Anyway, my point is: Both religion and science have their place, and beware of people demonizing one or the other. (I.e. Dawkins)

The know of neither, so their ignorance of both is equality in their eyes.

>>140073844
Can you name me a supernatural claim in the bible that has been proven true.

>>140071305
(((Atheism))) is basically an anti-Christian religion. They "preach" about how religion is awful and stupid, but by religion they really just mean Christianity (you never hear atheists say much about Islam/Buddhism/etc.)

>>140071305

>Why Reddit pretends atheism is related to science while atheism is just autistic screeching at God?


How can atheists screech at god when they belive gods dont exist?

21st century westcuck religion is just a pathetic attempt at trying to preserve identity when christianity was already dying by the 19th century.

Seriously, how long you pathetic cucks are going on with the god of the gaps, fedora memes, "nice jesus" and your bland, inoffensive christian sundae of heresies trying to preserve that mummy from crumbling to dust?

Either accept atheism or if you want a real religion that ruthlessly and zealously enforces its doctrinal beliefs unironically convert to islam.

>Why Reddit pretends religion and science are like polar opposites?

Because philosophical inquiry has gotten so specialised that its easy to forget that science is just a branch of a tree rather than the tree itself?

>Why Reddit pretends atheism is related to science while atheism is just autistic screeching at God?

Everygroup tends to portray those who dont belong to them as less intelligent.

>>140073407
>>140073529

Pretty bad reasoning, it took Christianity about 500 years before it started producing quality thinkers to match pagan ones and about another 600-700 before they started outpacing them in all areas.

By your logic it would have been justifyable for the pagans of those times to consider Christians as morons. Likewise were athiest societies to produce better thinkers in the future would you abandon christianity?

Athiesm being culturally relevant is less than 100 years old, indeed we have yet to even have one society where it is 100% the cultural baseline

>>140073969
No. Just history that was long time beliefved to be just story telling, but has found to have happened. Like the Great Deluge for example.

>>140073844

>Quantum mechanics did away with that. So now a good part of cosmology and partical physics is belief.

Just because youre too much of a dunce to understand it. Morons keep confusing hypothesises and working theories with belief.

>Anyway, my point is: Both religion and science have their place, and beware of people demonizing one or the other. (I.e. Dawkins

I'm too lazy to dig up a "moderate" smuggie for your.

>>140074047
I can also see the pussyness in the atheist movement but that does not mean that what they say is not true.

>>140073844
So ridiculous superstition has its place because the scriptures also record a few historical events? That makes no sense.

Quantum mechanics has made absolutely no difference in that regard. Science isn't math, nothing in science is proven beyond statistical evidence, but that it is, including quantum theory, and unlike religion.

>>140074181
How can somebody call themselves a theist if they do not believe in a personal deity who is the creator.

>>140074072
Nice Reddit spacing
>How can atheists screech at god when they belive gods dont exist?
They do, it's the only thing atheist do.
>21st century westcuck religion is just a pathetic attempt at trying to preserve identity when christianity was already dying by the 19th century.
Maybe for Euroshits, for America we took a strong stance in God we trust to fight the atheist USSR
>Seriously, how long you pathetic cucks are going on with the god of the gaps, fedora memes, "nice jesus" and your bland, inoffensive christian sundae of heresies trying to preserve that mummy from crumbling to dust?
Butthurt
>Either accept atheism or if you want a real religion that ruthlessly and zealously enforces its doctrinal beliefs unironically convert to islam.
Why? Christianity is Islam without the bad, we can drink wine, we can eat bacon, we do not behead, we can have freedom but still have strict values.
The only reason got itself into us is because of leftist traitors who are mostly atheists.

>>140074192
Well, it is belief. Just like humankind believed for ages that the sun rotates around the earth. Early observations indicated that that was so.

What you call hypothesis is just a believe in a model that fits some equations. More or less. Who knows, 50 years from now someone may discover that you can't just drop that constant or that you have to adjust for lambda.

Anyway, I'm a scientist myself, and I know first hand that their high horse isn't as high as they think it is.

My point is and was: No side should say it's better than the other. Science has the scientific principal of reproduceable experiments, I give you that. But there's still a lot science can't answer without speculating.

>>140074570
Are you trolling or do you actually believe that what you are saying are rebuttals

>>140074110
>Pretty bad reasoning, it took Christianity about 500 years before it started producing quality thinkers to match pagan ones and about another 600-700 before they started outpacing them in all areas.
Most of that period Europe got hit by wars, invasions and the black death. Rome fell for a reason.

>>140074825
t.gypsy intellectual.

>>140074657
Why do you think that the hypothesis that religion preaches as truth is close to the truth?

>>140074570

>They do, it's the only thing atheist do.

Projection

>for America we took a strong stance in God

Are you seriously going to bring up the bible belt as a positive example?

>to fight the atheist USSR

You didnt fight shit. Stalemated at Korea, lost at Vietnam, lost the cultural war in africa and too scared to intervene in the eastern european uprisings. Good thing communism collapsed on its own.

>Christianity is Islam without the bad

No one gives a shit about christianity anymore except larpers. Their values have no impact, governments and legislation ignore them, pop culture and people have forgotten them. Its a dead memeplex. Islam is alive and spreading.

>>140074657

>Anyway, I'm a scientist myself

>I'm a guy btw guys

You literally cant grasp the fucking basic of the scientific method, falsifiablity.

>But there's still a lot science can't answer without speculating.

Cause that IS fucking science you cuck mongrel. Testing and disproving theories.

>>140074547
>theist if they do not believe in a personal deity
Wew, your autism is showing. Apparently all theists now have to believe in a monotheistic/ personal God to be theist.

He specifically said that many events in the bible can be proven through history, you somehow misread that as "the supernatural parts of the Bible are factual!"

>>140074943
Why do you think that Christianity is true?

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>>140071305

They tend to be very dumb.

>>140071305
Maybe you should go ask Reddit.
Ask them about English lessons while you're there.

>>140072061
Which child raping Christian group do you most strongly identify with my God denying friend?

>>140074965
>religion
Do you always simplistic words? Not all religions are even close to being identical. "Religion" doesn't have a single unanimous hypothesis. Also, not all religions are theistic, nor are all theists monotheists.

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>>140071305
Most mainstream atheists understand Christianity as Evangelical Protestantism and so conflict thesis is the name of the game. They characterize the rest because they know no better.

In terms of how atheism is understood, for most of western history "atheist" was a derogatory term for immoral people. By the 18th century it became a view for believing God does not exist. In the 20th century it became a word for an absence of belief in God.

Cheers.

>>140075063
If they do not believe in a personal deity then they are deists and not theist

i was not talking about him then it was more about stating that if you only believe in those historical events you are not even a deist.

>>140075063
>He specifically said that many events in the bible can be proven through history, you somehow misread that as "the supernatural parts of the Bible are factual!"
But he clearly implied that when he concluded from it that religion has its place. Because the recording of some historical events in a book by itself has nothing to do with religion.

>>140074965
No.
But when it comes to the origin of the cosmos, I don't think "all of a sudden, out of nothing and random chance, there suddenly was a singularity that exploded into the universe we know today" is a good explanation or a good belief either.

Ive web scraped nearly 50,000 youtube videos on near death experiences (specifically the closed caption text). 3 things emerged from analysis, god exists, hell exists, heaven exists. The videos almost always describe hell as a sense of utter despair like floating endlessly in the void/darkness of space. The videos almost always describe heaven as a sense of utter love and happiness, not in the gay fruity way that your prolly thinking, more like the feeling you had that one year, during that one summer night where everything worked out and everything was chill. Most say they saw a bright light and when it got close it was god. I interpreted that as, god appeared as they imagined. Some of the videos say heaven is a planet. Most say god replayed their lives, specifically every time they did something selfless/good. Most say god created everything, but only a few actually extrapolate and explain this. They say basically, you know how atheists always bitch about bibles contradiction with science or semantical bullshit, they are thinking far too small. They explain proof of god being the entire structure of the universe, the laws of math, the laws of physics, the laws of gravity. Why does the universe even exist, why are the elements of the periodic table perfectly ordered, why isnt existence just nothingness or chaos? God is the idea of order, light, and/or good. After dealing with the lefty shills, deepstate shills, corporate shills, and islamic shills, ive noticed some profound ideas. God is the human conscience, conscience is the catalyst for free will, free will is what makes humanity unique (not intelligence), truth is determined through trust, everything on tv is a lie to keep us controlled, everything considered a conspiracy is true (cept flat earth thats fucking retarded). The meaning of life is to do good, be honorable, have integrity, attain good karma, achieve nirvana, become enlightened, follow bushido, do whats right, follow the 'way', BE A FUCKING MAN.

>>140075224
Do you always simplistic words? (wtf)
excuse me i was talking about the religion of Christianity,

>>140075453
i dont know what was before the big bang but i know that you dont either

>>140075731
Maybe there was no big bang at all. It's not proven, but pure speculation. Maybe existence is, and has always been, eternal.

>>140075470
What conspiracies do you consider true?

>>140075470
kek 50K vids and the "findings" are not worth any value because science already has answers for almost everything at that physical happening.

>>140075890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPStj2ZuXug

>>140071305

Because Reddit doesn't understand shit.
Religion and science are not necessarily opposite: religion deals with the soul, science is the knowledge of the world around us.
God has given us a brain, and the possibility to understand the world around us and developing our skills. Again, I see no conflict. Fanatics do, though.

Atheism is not related to science: being atheist doesn't make you more intelligent by itself. It's not some sort of "intelligence pill": I know a lot of atheist who are beyond the concept of stupidity, and have absolutely no culture at all. But they like to think "Hey, I'm atheist: so, I must be more intelligent than those who believe!".

Plus, atheism is not "autistic screeching" against God: the TRUE atheist doesn't do anything like this, for he doesn't believe in God, and nobody screeches against something that does not exist. A true atheist simply lives his lives ignoring religion completely. He doesn't feel the need the insult those who believe: those who indulge in such behaviour are probably insecure, they claim to be atheist but deeply inside they believe, and screech at God just to find more "screechers" to prove to themselves that they are right.
Screechers who praise atheism fanatically are like those fanatic christian preachers who screech on TV shows, no more no less.

>>140075890
The big bang theory doesn't necessarily imply the universe isn't eternal. It just implies everything was much much closer together billions of years ago.

>>140075984
>big bang
>theorized because of expansion of the universe
>much about which is NOT know today
>hence dark matter
>hence dark force
So ... it is the result of speculations about something we don't know a lot about?

With the same argumentation you can reason that a thunder god "definitely has to exist", because there's sometimes thunder.

But it's a good example. The big bang is speculation that you seem to believe in. Which is exactly like believing in a religion.

>>140076101
religion and science are often in conflict though. It's rare that a religion only deals with spiritual matters and doesn't make statements of fact about the physical world in conflict with scientific observation.

>>140071305
Science is looking for the truth, while religion is a made up story. If through science a god is proven to exist then they can relate. But, this is like saying: Why do people pretend science and fairy tales are opposites. Because one is objectively looking for the truth while the other is a story of many that don't have valid proof.

>>140076101
A true atheist simply lives his lives ignoring religion completely
Look, that is true but i am an antitheist therefore i do not need to stick to those rules

>>140076309
>The big bang is speculation that you seem to believe in. Which is exactly like believing in a religion.
There is an incredible amount of evidence for the big bang though

>>140076309
No. The big bang is considered true because of the expansion of the universe not because of dark matter . Are you really a scientist?

>>140075470
People who have "near death experiences" are just tripping balls. It's the mind interpreting impulses in a strange way under duress (lack of oxygen or something).

>>140076309
Dark matter and dark force are just names for something that hypothetically should be there based on what we know but we can't currently detect it, it's not magical mumbo jumbo.

>>140076101
Also for religion to deal with souls souls must exist. But why do you think that souls exist?

>>140076428
If you take a child of 6 and one of 12 years of age, you can interpolate he/she will grow to be 5 metres tall when he/she is 30. Calculations like these make up a good deal of the "evidence" that there was a big bang.

I'm not saying there wasn't. I just find it hard to believe.

>>140076598
>Also for religion to deal with souls souls must exist
not true though. Just because you decide talk talk of souls doesn't mean they exist.

>>140076359

That's when its wordly organization takes up too much space. Core beliefs (like the Gospels) are not in conflict with scientific observation, they deal with the spirit, relationships with others, and human behaviour.
Religions who attempt to state something against scientific observation are often pagan ones, who developed before science, and attempted to give their explanation to unknown phenomena. That's one of the reasons they're obsolete.

>>140076370
Atheist =/= antitheist.
An atheist just doesn't give a shit about religion.
An "antitheist" (like the word says) is someone against the concept of God.

>>140076685
Do you think there is going to be a heat death of the universe?

>>140076598

Believing in the existence of the soul is not a logical thought, can't be explained through reasonable thinking. They're called "beliefs" for a reason.
People believe soul exists because they feel that their person is not limited to just the mind and the body.

>>140076720
True. But why are we not taxing churches?

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>>140073282
That's judaism

>>140076515
I meant the expansion of the universe doesn't follow the mathematical models there are. So mysterious "dark forces" and "dark matter" were introduced into the equations so that the result would be what can be observed.

I'm just saying there is a discrepancy between what scientists think there should be according to cosmologic theories and what can actually be observed to be there.

Again, I'm not criticizing. Scientists need a working hypothesis to start work on. So why shouldn't people need an unscientific hypothesis on what comes after death and all those things etc.? Both have there place, you can't mix them, and you can't substitute one for the other.

>>140076685
>Calculations like these make up a good deal of the "evidence" that there was a big bang.
No, we can actually directly observe that everything in the universe was once so close together that it was compressed into an opaque gas. We can literally see this in our radio telescopes.

Also, when we calculate was the universe would look like has things been much much closer together before the the stuff we can see with telescopes, we can produce very accurate predictions of stuff we can see. Even the distribution of galaxies matches what would have been caused by quantum randomness when galaxies were compressed to the quantum scale.

This is why most people believe in the big bang. There's overwhelming evidence that it's exactly what happened and pretty much nothing that implies that it didn't happen.

>>140071305
>Why Reddit pretends religion and science are like polar opposites?
Why is your English so bad? Can you just go back to the 5th grade already?

>>140076852
People believe soul exists because they feel that their person is not limited to just the mind and the body
That is just wishful thinking.

>>140075470
You want to tell me about how this weird feelings are hell and heaven. But the fact is, it's only your brain short on oxygen/blood/etc.

>>140074570
>They do, it's the only thing atheist do.
>for America we took a strong stance in God we trust to fight the atheist USSR
>we can eat bacon, we do not behead

Is this a paid troll? Why would anyone who's obviously not American pretend to be? Plus OP stopped posting. Sage this shit.

>>140076973
There is evidence for the scientific hypothesis but no evidence for an unscientific hypothesis. That is why i am against it.

>>140074047
Check out atheist voting patterns and compare them to Jews

>>140073969
Sure: there is a beginning to the universe. For the longest time, scientists and philosophers didn't believe that until the big bang was discovered, validating the Bible.

>>140076973
You are very quick to go from having something that is still not fully known to scientist and poorly explained to how religion and science are the same, even though religion are supposed to be the word of an infallible god. This is why religion is horseshit, science CAN be wrong, religion can't. And so far, science has been right more times than religion has. This is enough to call bullshit on any holy book. If you want to believe in your fairy tales, that's up to you, but don't come to me and tell me that you're being rational about your beliefs. Believing in a religion such as christianity or any other religion is no different believing in the tooth fairy.

>>140074072
Because deep down they believe in God and they are just in open rebellion. If they really believed in what they said, they would be agnostic, not atheists. No, they are just angry at God.

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>>140073407

>>140077637
ITT: Idiots responding to an obvious slide thread peppered with keywords

>>140077525
>validating the Bible.
They guy who proposed the Big Big Bang theory was a priest and personally told the pope it should not be considered as validation of anything in the bible.

I'm not even sure what part of the bible it validates. Certainly not the bit about the earth being made in 6 days.

The jews stole spirituality from us.

>>140077637
Because deep down they believe in God and they are just in open rebellion
Which god?

Its that simple. The fucking kikes stole spirituality and brainwashed ppl.

>>140077731
God is God of everything and all gods.

INFITE

>>140077731
FUCK JEWISH GOD

>>140077765
The god of which religion?

>>140077923
All religions. Man made religions. Religions dont make god.

>>140077712
Christfags would argue that god created the world in 6 god days, which are apparently equal to something like 13.7 billion human years, to, of course, match the scientific evidences.

I call bullshit. They change and interpret their book in a different way every day, to keep up with all the scientific evidences contradicting it. At some point, you have to look at it rationally and cut your losses.

You want to believe in a god that's fine. But don't come and tell me that the god in the bible or torah or quran is real, because those are fairy tales.

>>140077954
>I know this because my religions magic book told me so

Muh crossbows, muh galileo, muh macroevolution

What if science discovered god

>>140078002
Nah man think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QSU_KVgcVo

>>140078049
Until it has, what ever comes from religious people's mouth is horseshit.

>>140078089
Watch this video.

>>140071305
Reddit, and many atheists, think that way. They're not intellectually basing their arguments on anything. Most atheists are not atheists because of "intellectual" reasons but emotional ones. Even the "horsemen", typically. Dawkins is an atheist because he was fiddled. Hitchens because his mother had a thing with a priest. Hawking because he's ill. Probably something like that with Harris and Sagan, even.

>>140072257
t. feminist multiculturalist democratic anarcho-communist

>>140072061
>Judeo-Christian values
Good fucking goy

>>140078118
>They're not intellectually basing their arguments on anything
That's not true and has nothing to do with why they became atheists. You can become an atheist for emotional reasons and then later develop that position intellectually too.

>all these scientists from history were religious! haha take that fedoras!

or maybe they just claimed to be religious because they would be exiled from society and have all their books burned if they didn't? Donald Trump most likely isn't religious (his IQ is too high) but he would've had absolutely 0% chance of getting elected if he hadn't said the bible is his favorite book and kissed jewish feet like christcuck voters want to see from every president.

>>140078524
No, the number of atheists on an intellectual basis is quite small when you dig deep enough. Their arguments are like those of children. They develop them later, not as developed arguments, but as ways to reassure themselves.

"I can't see god lol"
>even though God is immaterial

"why do bad things happen?"
>emotional argument

"I don't understand it"
>personal incredulity

"you'd be hindu if you were in india"
>genetic fallacy

Not to mention taking things literally that shouldn't be, not looking at history, tradition, or teachings. Just picking something up, or googling it, and going from there.

>>140076899

We should.

>>140077045

>wishful thinking
Not for those who believe. I know that believing in something that's not proven might sound childish (like believing in Santa), but as long as you don't shove your beliefs down other people's throats, or start cutting those throats because they believe in something different, that's fine. What harm may come from believing in the existence of the soul, as long as you don't fall victim of oppressive rules that end up ruining your life?
Most of the "rules" of religion are totally made up by the "organization" who administers the cult (i.e. the Church), and are nowhere to be found in the book that's at the base of the aforementioned religion. The problem is that people are too fuckin lazy to read, and obey blindly to the ministers of religion.
I.e.: take a read at the Gospel of Matthew (the more complete one), and look at what the Catholic Church teaches and how it behaves. Can't you see the dissonances?
People who say "you accept everything the Church teaches you, or you go somewhere else" are just people who can't think with their own mind, and close their eyes in front of evidence.

(P.s. I used the Church as an example, for I have grown in a mostly Catholic country, but I think this applies to most monotheistic religions)

>>140073844
>Quantum mechanics did away with that.
Retard detected.

>>140077045

P.s. you call that wishful thinking, but it's just another point of view. You may consider that unexplicable and stupid, but the same thing they might think about your opinion.

>>140071305
>atheism is autistic screeching at god
Why would I screech at something that doesn't exist? Are you an actual stupid person?

>>140073844
>Quantum mechanics did away with that.
What the fuck are you on about?

>>140072416
im14andthisisdeep

>>140073348
>Is it not simply a power structure to exert control over the masses by a few elites then?
No its not. Everything is not purely about having power over people. It's about trying to find a way to find peace in a group of people, so that they can continue to live.

>All the other stuff in religion just seems like fluff and mental gymnastics to obfuscate the true purpose and train followers to blindly accept irrational nonsense.
Do you seriously think that everything that religion has, is irrational nonsense? Consider back before we even had science, it was the structure that allowed us to attempt to understand the world we live in and try to find how to live and survive in it.

>It's evil.
Sort yourself out

>>140078934
These are not reasons I'm atheist though.

I'd be more
>No evidence
>Everything we observe can be explained with out the concept of God
which isn't childish.

>>140073407
>has Nazi flag
>doesn't believe in Evolution through natural selection
Why are CHRISTCuCKs on pol so fucking dumb?

>>140079382
If this is the reason why (and it's not because of indoctrination from a Marxist schooling, or something else) you would be one of the exceptions rather than the rules.

And, if you think there is no evidence, I'd definitely suggest reading up on it.

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>>140073282
More like shitskins worshiping a pedo warlord. But nope, just paint all religions with the same brush, because Christians totally do that too...


I hate you and this is the reason why we are having terrorism in the west.

>>140079342
>implying Bach, Mozart and Beethoven haven't all written amazing religiously inspired pieces
You are under read.

>>140079562
>And, if you think there is no evidence, I'd definitely suggest reading up on it.
I did. That's why I believe there's no reasonable evidence.

>>140075900
Pizzagate/Pedogate is 100% true
JFK was killed by deepstate for threatening to reveal and destroy deepstate
Nixon was framed by deepstate for attempting to exit the vietnam war before deepstate wanted
9/11 was orchestrated by mossad agents acting as taliban cells.
https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/20/207972_-analytical-and-intelligence-comments-it-suggests-that.html
9/11 tower 7 was destroyed because it allowed the Federal Reserve to steal 240 billion in government securities https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/20/207972_-analytical-and-intelligence-comments-it-suggests-that.html
Clinton body count is around 250+ people that are known
Saddam was working for the CIA, until being betrayed.
Sunni islam (80% of islam) is a death/rape/pedo cult, and should be utterly demolished from existence
Chester Bennington (lincoln park) was a clone or son of Jon Podesta and was killed (like chris cornell was killed) for trying to expose the pedophile rings of the music industry.
Operation Mockingbird is 100% real.
Reptilians are descendents of dinosaurs, natives of earth, and lacerta interview is 100% real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjaIq3fuJg8&t=
14 alien species are currently in contact with humans on earth
Humanity is treated by these 14 species in the same way Nasa used to ask children in grade schools for ideas about space tech like growing plants in space. Nasa stole this idea from the aliens, humanity is used to discover new ideas and tech just like grade schools are used by nasa to discover new ideas and tech. Aliens collect, trade, and test these ideas and their own ideas in a massive underground base underneath Antarctica.

>>140078934
Strawman. We were talking about four specific people. Also, why an argument is developed has no bearing on its merit whatsoever.

>>140079830
>somewhat questionable theories and reasonable

>chester bennington is podesta son

Ok u need help

>>140079659
I doubt you have.

>>140079872
Not a strawman when it's true.
And it proves that, for most, it's emotional-based. Which it is.

>>140079940
>I doubt you have.
that was kind of obvious actually.

>>140071305
Science is a big white nose zit, religion is acne... humans are hard wired for earth worship, Abrahamic religions are blasphemous attempts to overthrow earth religions... look at gps, another attempt at overtaking star navigation... Abrahamic religions have become self destructive, they can't beat natural religion

>>140071305
Because they need a justification to be lazy and hedonistic.

>>140072257
/thread
/pol/ is retardedly blue pilled on religion, for a simple reason that they're unread dipshits who have no ethical basis aside from jewish gobbledygook fantasy, aimed to make them weak, stupid and soft.

>>140079940
So you don't know what a strawman is, lol. Strawmen are typically true. It's when you argue against something that was never claimed, pretending that it was. You say something that is obviously true (most atheists and religious people and people in general don't have much of an intellectual basis for anything they believe, duh), acting as if I'd said otherwise and you'd won the argument when really you claimed something completely unrelated which was spectacularly wrong and I called you out on (that four specific people have no intellectual basis for their atheism).

>>140080565
I know what a strawman is. You're just calling something you don't like a strawman. It's true that Dawkins, Hitchens and Hawking have an emotional basis for each one of their journeys into atheism, and probably true of the others.

>>140072061
>Judeo-Christian
What values are those? Cuckoldry, turning another cheek, killing your own kids?
FYI golden rule predates christcuckery by a couple thousands of years.

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>>140079934
Podesta and Chester are similar in nearly every possible way. The nose is uncanny.

>>140073419
>ontology is superstitious garbage for retards
>t. American philosopher

>>140080728
I'm calling a strawman a strawman. When you say "No, ..." then whatever follows the no is interpreted as a rebuttal to what you're replying to, and if it is unrelated to what you're replying to then that's a strawman.

I said it's not true that they have no intellectual basis for their atheism and that whether they initially became atheists for emotional reasons is inconsequential in that regard.

You denied it but instead of a proper rebuttal presented a strawman.

>>140081133
That just proves my argument: most atheists do not come to atheism for intellectual reasons. Even the "greats". Their justification for their atheism comes later. The emotional reason is the root of their atheism, not the intellectual buffers to make themselves feel smarter.

Thank you for agreeing.

>>140080806

Boy oh boy this thread is making me sleepy. Let's all call it a night and get some sleep.

>>140076531
>You
I used to believe that until I researched the videos. If its just people tripping balls why does almost every single one have the same shit happen to them? In almost every single one they say they saw themselves leaving their own body, then they felt tremendous despair and darkness, then a light appeared and as it got close it was their interpretation of god, and in the presence of their interpretation of god they felt total peace/warmth/love engulf them. When 45,356 of the 50,112 videos all say that exact sequence of events happened, it cannot simply be 'tripping balls'

>>140081267
You said, I quote, "They're not intellectually basing their arguments on anything.". That is spectacularly wrong. You didn't say the intellectual base comes later, you said it doesn't exist.

>>140074072

> How can atheists screech at god when they belive gods dont exist?

how many atheists have you met? seriously?

The majority of atheists we've all met identify as atheists in everything they do and want it to be known they're atheist without any contextual basis or reason to inform everyone.

atheism is original identity politics

>>140081636
Because those aren't what their arguments are based off. They build up defenses later on. Well done.

>>140081267


pretty much they can't reconcile "if god is good why do bad things happen to good people"

>>140081832
Exactly. This isn't even an argument. I've never found "the problem of suffering/evil" to be a problem. I don't know why people think it's anything.

>>140081734
That makes no sense. You're confusing the base of their arguments with the "base" in the sense of what turned them to atheism, completely unrelated things.

>>140071305
Because deceiving goyim with false dichotomies works. Communism/capitalism and individualism/collectivism are most notable examples of these.

>>140082043
These are the base of their arguments. Deep down, that's all that matters to them. Trying to justify their atheism doesn't mean it's the base of their arguments. Take away the problem of evil, which they often tout behind, and they continue. Take away everything, and their core will still be "yeah well something happened I don't like".

It's not intellectual, it's emotional.

>>140082296
Well, now you're making a completely different claim which is extremely easy to rebut by simply presenting a single argument that any of them made that isn't emotionally based. An extremely simple one that probably all of them have made is the lack of evidence.

>>140078934
You should add the fifth option:

"I don't care"

>>140082607
Not really, no. It's well-known that the emotional reasons are primary for them.

Stop worshipping them and maybe you wouldn't mind so much.

>>140082863
I expect people to be smarter.

>>140072061
>Judeo-Christian

Fuck off faggot. Kikes have completely foreign values to us. The only similarity is the 10 commandments, which are basically shared by 99% of world religions anyway

>>140082889
>It's well-known that the emotional reasons are primary for them.
How is that relevant? Again, you said. "They're not intellectually basing their arguments on anything.". Wrong. They have plenty of arguments that are purely intellectually based and I just gave you a simple obvious example of one. Do they also make stupid emotional arguments? Sure, but that doesn't mean what you said isn't wrong.

>>140083178
You're clinging in an attempt to make yourself feel better about your atheism. It's not working. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

And again, they (Reddit users) AREN'T basing their arguments on intellectual things, but emotional ones. Unless you're counting pathetic non-arguments as an intellectual basis.

>>140074827
>Most of that period Europe got hit by wars, invasions

You think Asia and pagan Rome wasnt?

>the black death
The black death happened close to 1000 years after the collapse of Rome in the West.

>>140071305
Because they think they are educated, they are entitled to claim that they're above God. Despite what we discover in our lifetime is only the tip of the iceberg compared to God's ultimate creation.

>>140083552
Wow, it's exhausting to debate someone so extremely intellectually dishonest. It's like your trying to introduce as many new fallacies as possible with every reply. Just admit already that "They're not intellectually basing their arguments on anything." was a lie.

>>140084078
I would, but that would be a lie. Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

>>140071305
Because atheists have to set up a false dichotomy to distract people from their bs

>>140084708
So you're saying "lack of evidence" is an emotional argument? Because if you're not then "They're not intellectually basing their arguments on anything." is wrong. Not just for the four people we were talking about, even if you try to generalize it for ALL reddit users it's wrong.

A little tip: what you're saying isn't even that stupid and I mostly even agree. You should just avoid generalizing this much because it opens you up to extremely easy rebuttals. Yes, most reddit users are emotionally controlled sheep (but not all). Yes, a lot of arguments for atheism even by prominent atheist intellectuals are emotionally based (but not all).

>>140085161
I never said all, though. You decided that. I said many (or most, not sure without checking).

But those who are intellectually making their argument without an underlying, emotional basis? They're exceptions, not the rule.

>>140085351
>they (Reddit users)
There is no reasonable way to interpret this phrasing to not mean all.
You were also specifically talking about those 4 people, for none of whom this is true.

I'm not nitpicking either because it makes a big difference here, the difference between discrediting a lot of atheists and discrediting atheism. What's important is that there are intellectually based arguments for atheism. Whether most atheists actually use them is inconsequential.

>>140085828
A later version to specify I was speaking of Reddit users. Go back to the original.

>I'm not nitpicking either
No, you're deliberately trying to muddle things to pretend you have a point. You don't.

>>140085828
>there are intellectually based arguments for atheism
I've yet to see anything that isn't a fallacy or "no evidence".

>>140071305
Because in my experience Atheists are smug arseholes, they've co-opted science, and think that that science is their religion.

I am a Christian and I love science too.

>>140086250
>I've yet to see anything that isn't a fallacy or "no evidence".
No evidence is a pretty strong one, and seemingly accepted by even religious people for all fiction except in one instance.
It's difficult to come up with a better argument for atheism in general, but of course there are countless more arguments against specific religious belief systems. Naturally the more specific you are about superstitious nonsense the more you open yourself up to easy rebuttals.

>>140087148
Not really. There are plenty of things one can look at and read that show theism as a possibility. To consider there to be no evidence is pretty weak and only for those who've not even looked into it.

There's no definite proof, but the possibility of theism rather than atheism is far more there. The fact you suddenly started using emotionally-charged language also shows you're probably emotionally rejecting theism, too. Cute.

Religion and science don't conflict
they can coexist

>>140087593
Well, I'm not strictly even an atheist, but with every religion I know I'm convinced it's a fairy tale. You can make a super abstract definition of "God" that will be hard to argue against. You can even define it downright as a tautology, though there's really no point in going down that path. The thing is, deists are very rare. Usually people arguing that way are adherents of some major religion who think successfully arguing for something that you label with the same 3 letters "God" somehow improves the case for e.g., christianity, which is an obvious fallacy.

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>>140071305
Because it's a declaration of a love for the material world vs a love for God. If you listen to the language used, science is used as a vehicle for destiny: "One day we'll have robotic limbs! One day we'll get to Mars!" (both presumptions). So one day we'll go to heaven gets replaced by one day we'll live forever. For god-fearing people, science would just be a job or a hobby, albeit a compelling one. Atheism treats science as their deliverance, since I suppose they have nothing else.

>>140088336
Many people, and indeed, some religions, literally turn God into a man in the sky. This isn't how the religions typically teach their God to be.

Polytheism, often yes, though polytheism is very... human, anyway. Sunni Islam, usually. Some Prots, yes. But this is alien to most of them.

Not everything in a religion is supposed to be taken literally, either, after all. The concept of myth has been lost in the last few hundred years.

As an example, this was stated long ago in Christianity by Church fathers and doctors of the Church.

>>140071305
Because reddit is good goy central
The reinforcement of the Jew narrative really does things to a man

>>140073111
>seems
And only seems because enlightenment thought has brought us both great advances in technology and also great horrors of moral decay.
This is why you need both religion and science.
Science answers the question of what CAN we do
Religion answers the question of what SHOULD we do

>>140073969
The antediluvian period is scientific fact and is what you would call a "natural anomaly" which is just a scientific way of saying "holy shit gotta cover our asses"
This is the same with giants as described in the book of Enoch

>>140088707
>Not everything in a religion is supposed to be taken literally
>>140088336
Religion may often not be meant to be taken literally (actually, I would argue scripture, for major religions at least, mostly is to be taken literally, especially when reading the quran this seems very obviously the intended reading by the author to me, but that's a whole different discussion)

However, even if not to be taken literally, it must be meant to be taken in some (specific) way. If anyone can just believe whatever they want it's not really a religion. And you can't really reasonably enter an argument with a non believer of your religion until you've decided exactly what your religion is.

Obviously atheism is indefensible if you allow for any definition for a God, because you can always define God as a tautology.

But this is not in any way a victory for adherents of any major religion.

>>140089578
There are many explanations for the meanings behind the texts as they are often multifacted, but as you know that doesn't mean there is a free-for-all.

>>140072257
Yeah yeah, you believe that crap because uncle dawkins say so ?

>>140089878
In a way there is. You can e.g. easily be formally part of a religion without holding any specific belief in many countries, just by checking a box.

Anyway, my point is, it is a fallacy to use ambiguity to defend religion. It is somewhat intellectually dishonest to enter a debate with any ambiguity left in the first place, and it is unfair and unrealistic to expect atheists to argue against a religion which hasn't been defined without ambiguity. Of course a smart atheist should never enter such a discussion without agreeing on what a god is beforehand, because, again, it could be defined as a tautology.

>>140090498
I can't think of how many atheists I've bumped into who actually knew what God was, anyway. And God is generally quite vague because, you know, He is God.

>>140071305
>Why Reddit pretends religion and science are like polar opposites?
idk much about reddit, but i would guess its because religion is about never changing your mind and blindly following what you were told when science is questioning what you were told and going out to find the real answers.

>Why Reddit pretends atheism is related to science while atheism is just autistic screeching at God?
i would guess its because vast majority of scientists are atheists and even those who are, leave their bibles at home when they go do science, its not that atheism is related to science, its that religion is agaisnt it and atheism is basically against religion.
You arent even supposed to do science if you are religious, because you arent supposed to question your "faith".

>>140090699

I don't understand. You should be easily able to agree on a definition of god with an atheist. I'm not talking about some metaphysical discussion about what the word god should be used for, just a definition to be used for a debate. In fact you can just give him your definition and he'll either agree that such a god exists or argue against it.

If you can't clearly define what you supposedly believe in I'd argue you lost the debate before it started.

>>140077637
Agreed. What I often think about is that if God is truly omnipotent, then He is also omnipotent with regards to technology. This line of thought gets interesting when you start looking at ancient civilizations that worshiped plumed serpents (fallen angels) and made technological advancements at a much faster rate than their neighbors.

>>140090712
Religion can answer questions that science simply can't. Like afterlife, existence of God, morality, or meaning of life.

>>140091544
magic can answer any question you can think of, but how do we know the answer is correct? well if its magic we cant know, but with science we can find out and we have already answered all the questions you listed, you just dont like those answers so you make up your own.

they're 2 separate realms- if you're trying to justify your faith with logic then you've already lost. by trying to apply the human senses to answer the 'super natural'

faith is faith & that is all. you either believe or you dont believe, science should not be the determining factor in answering the question of whether or not there exists a big man in the sky.

the problem is whenever morons start applying religious texts to rationalize natural phenomena, or vice versa- or whenever people use science in trying to 'disprove' religious scripture.

they're 2 separate topics, they dont come into contact: its just people trying to fabricate some eternal battle between the 2 that has never existed.

-bad science, is bad science- it existed 10,000 years ago & it exists today. our advancements in 'modern science' should not be a determiner in what gives us spiritual nourishment.

in truth though- the religious state is a superior system of control for the masses than secularism- why? because the individual internalizes those beliefs; secular law is too flimsy & prone to change. religion is more compatible in meshing with human nature. it's also does an exceptional job in bettering the ignorance of the masses than secularism which ultimately breeds mass degeneracy if there are ignorant masses (which there are)

>>140091829
Okay faggot, tell me how science answers morality ? Fucking tell me. But if its gonna be some socialist bullshit like dwakins, i will hate atheistfags even more.

>>140091949
there is no reason to believe there is objective morality and even if there was objective morality, what is it? even religious people who claim the bible is the source of morality aknowledge that it has some sick shit in it.
tldr; there is no morality, its a thing we made up, just like we made up god, meaning of life and the afterlife.

>>140071305
>why do i like sucking cock?
fix'd

>>140091949
Science is morally neutral. The application can be immoral. That is not science it is engineering.

>>140071305
Because we live in the Age of Nihilism. Most people couldn't accept God or the transcendent if they wanted to, they've lost the capability.

>>140092230
How afterlife is made up, dumbass. Do you was there ?

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>>140089109
This

>>140079342
t.Rebbit

>>140092763
well by made up i kind of mean that we have no good reason to believe that such a thing exists and while i can claim there is no afterlife, i cant claim absolute knowledge.

>>140093967
No evidence doesn't means that something don't exist. For good example people in medieval times rejected sphere earth theory but it turned out to be true.

>>140094105
>No evidence doesn't means that something don't exist.
you are right, however it means we have no good reason to believe in it and we do reasons why people would make it up.

>>140075192
stalin was an atheist, does that make you a genocidal communist you dumb fuck?

>>140094312
At least you understand that what many blindfolder atheist don't give a shit about. But seriously. Do we need to eradicate all religious people ? Why can't we live in peace ? Many atheists from Poland aren't against religion and even agree to church wedding or other religious ceremony.

>>140094520
>Do we need to eradicate all religious people ?
no, we just need to stop them from succesfully spreading the disease on to their children.
>Why can't we live in peace ?
i think thats a question for the religious people.
>Many atheists from Poland aren't against religion and even agree to church wedding or other religious ceremony.
many fins dont protest agaisnt religion either, religion is such a small part of our lives here that its never really even talked about, we still have weddings and funerals in churches and atheists are ok with going there, religion is not shoved into our throats so we are ok with it.

>>140094793
There is nothing wrong with teaching children religion. Thanks to this, they will grow up happier, healthier, and smarter.

>>140095200
yeah thats not what studies show...

>>140095294
You seriously believe in modern science ? I don't trust "sciencists" such as dawkins, nye or krauss. They are bunch of leftist faggots.

>>140095390
i wouldnt trust them with everything, i just trust them with what they are experts on, dawkins is a biologist and krauss is a physicist and everything they say i take with a grain of salt, but when it comes to biology and physics, i cant really argue with these guys, they know their shit.

>>140095736
That's a good way to do it, especially since smart people often overestimate how much they know about other things. Taleb gives the best account how to treat science in "anti-fragile"

>>140071305
If you think something as marvelous as the big bang, birth of stars, fusion of all the elements necessary for life inside of dying stars and our intricate DNA occured for no reason, then I truly feel bad for you.

>>140096073
I truly feel bad if you think some kind of intelligence created this before there was any through evolution


Retard

>>140095736
Yes. Dwakins and krauss are a experts in diffrent branches of science. They aren't a experts of philosophy. You should hear good Christian philosopher instead of listening these old fags.

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>>140096193
What caused the big bang? Why?

>>140094793
>no, we just need to stop them from succesfully spreading the disease on to their children.
Oh hi Stalin. How's it feel knowing atheism will always lose out without violence?

>>140095294
(((studies)))
I've seen plenty of studies that show the exact opposite.

>>140096406
Itself, infinite mass at one point has no time, so its not like the big bang waited, it blew up when time started exactly

>>140096659
But what was before ?

>>140096193
God isn't a bearded old man in the clouds. But perhaps, he caused the big bang and set the rules for our universe. Why else did gravity and time come about? The attraction of photons and electrons? If you are so dense that you can't do these simple thought experiments, then there is no hope of you ever understanding.

>>140096327
i have heard and afaik they are experts in interpreting the bible to fit what they want to say and sadly without science you will never prove the existance of god and with science you might end up doing the opposite.

>>140096719
>before
Using our definitions of time, there was no before. e=mc^2

>>140096659
Mathematically simplicity might tell you that. Plenty of mathematical models of natural phenomenon which have infinite asymptotes, but never is it really the case in nature. Some buffer, some feedback loop.

Explain to me then, why was infinite mass placed at a single point? What was it made of? Hydrogen? If time didn't start until the point existed, then how did the massive point come about? Why after the big bang was there any randomness at all? Quantum shit? You guys really are sad you know. Must be really fucking sad to think it was all for no fucking reason.

If you had instead said it originated from the black hole of another universe and we all exist in this massive infinite loop of black holes and big bangs, then I might have taken you a little more serious; however, why does this infinite loop of universes exist?

>>140073126
>>140074047
But im an athiest, and I think Islam needs to be removed and jews prevented from usury.

>>140096757
perhaps, but I know through thought expiriments that humans are reductionist peices of garbage that are scared of change. i can guarantee that every carbon based inteligence would make up a god to explain things and help them make existential discisions

god is a crutch for the weak

>>140096795
How they can interprete the fucking Bible. They aren't even Christians. Only Christian people can interprete the Bible.

>>140096951
>there was no before

There was no before to me 31 years ago.

You are basing your definition of time on highly extrapolated and simplified math models using radio wave background observations as a basis for universe age.

>>140097285
I dunno as a scientist and athiest i can look at that and have the luxury of saying i dont know... Maintaining my sanity.


Its you that has to start evoking tales of talking snakes and magic apples that ultimately makes,you appear... Literally insane.

>>140073348
Science is used to exert control over the masses as well. Potato potato

>>140097441
not an argument

That's like saying people used to think the Earth was flat and the sky is blue. Boy were they wrong, the sky isn't blue!

>>140097285
before the big bang- certainty. everything was the same thing, it, or perhaps it should be called, all.

after- it is my anectdotal expirence that irl is the most random thing possible to exist, like the opposite of certainty. makes sense to me because entropy is always going up

>>140097285
i can belive your last paragraph, i think that the universe has a loop, there is no afterlife and we live our lives over and over again

>>140097726
Perhaps but it actually works and is much more reliable. Thats why cops shoot you with gunpowder powered rifles or electrical tazers..

Instead of trying to aprehend the suspect by condeming his soul.

>>140097510
>You should hear good Christian philosopher
yeah, those guys arent even christian.

>>140097703
I don't believe in Adam and Eve or God in a traditional sense. I believe in the big bang and evolution. I'm a scientist myself. I know that I can't ever know what caused the universe. I am also okay with that. I just think people who are quick to say it all happened for
no reason from nothing without the possibility for an origin or reason are closed minded.

>>140073126
That's conplete bullshit.

>>140073209
Doubles down on stupid

>>140097757
Don't confuse "randomness" with our inability to measure quantum particles with sample sizes large enough.

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>athiest fedoras become b-tier nihilists espousing god and life as important or even acceptable, leading to moral decline to debauchery, hedonism and a life without any real accomplishments
>even Nietzsche himself, though hating religion, knew that organized religion and the respect of life was essential for any moral standard in society because he grew up and observed the rise of the athiest intelligentsia

>>140097988
The fuck ? I was talking about something diffrent. They can't interprete Bible well because they don't have any knowledge in theology. They simply can't understand religious book without being religious.

>>140074110

>Pretty bad reasoning, it took Christianity about 500 years before it started producing quality thinkers to match pagan ones and about another 600-700 before they started outpacing them in all areas.

Australian education at work, everybody!

You're acting as if theology wasn't a part of Christianity and Catholicism in general since the very start, you'd be surprised by the shit they managed to guess out about the nature of the universe. Some theological works were hundred of year ahead of their time in reasoning, some of them even applicable to modern concept like quantum physics with startling similarity.

Also Atheism as been around for about as long as religion itself, so their higher-than-thou attitude they're generally linked with sure ain't something new. Soddom and Gomorra were atheist.

>reddit
>any logic or reasoning whatsoever
try again anon.

>>140098266
oh shut the fuck up with your appeals to emotion

how about you grow a backbone and believe in something you pussy

>>140098314
my reponse was to christian philosophers, so i dont know what you are talking about.

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>>140071305
all the people I know with pHD's is population genetics and breeding believe in god because there is no way to deny what god's covenant is is the evolution of a new man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcf9CLMQuRQ

>>140098258
l can still say there was no entropy in the universe at some point

>>140098558
Okay. Tell me. Why teaching children atheism is good ? They might get scared after you told them that there is no afterlife.

>>140098797
is lying to them so they fit into your version of society better?

at least not lying makes them stronger

>>140098797
i wouldnt teach atheism to children, well i couldnt, because atheism is not an ideology or something that can be taught, i would not just teach them religion as a fact, maybe as a history lesson or as a part of cultural studies.
So basically, i would not fill their heads with lies.

>>140098942
What lying ? You can't dissaprove God or afterlife.

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>the state of this thread overnight

Well this went to shit

>>140071305
>pretends religion and science are like polar opposites?
Because superstition and reason are opposites. Trying to reconcile the two makes you look stupid.

>>140099123
you saying they are true is dishonest because you dont know and you saying you have a reason to believe they are true is lying.

>>140099123
i guess its not lying if its in the bible but the whole damn book is lies and fairytales telling you how to live your life

>>140073111
Yeah but the universe just came out of nowhere, that's totally reasonable!

>>140071305
>atheism is just autistic screeching at God

Can you even define atheism? I mean a c t u a l l y define it

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>>140100344
>the universe came from god, thats totally reasonable

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>>140098531
I believe in myself

>>140100344
>>140100572
>claiming to know either way is totally reasonable
you guys are a circus.

>>140099123

It is entirely possible to prove god

Alas it isn't warrantable since it would only give the opportunity for countless freaks and opportunistic fucks to pass themselves as god by playing semantics with the truth. Just look at most religions that exist nowadays.

>>140100788
>thinking that it "came from" something

kek humans are hilarious

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>>140100811
eh if you are talking about the fact that there is something out of nothing, still doesnt prove god, if anything it proves this pic

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>>140073348
>s it not simply a power structure to exert control over the masses by a few elites then?
You're living 500 years in the past. Big government is the new God and religious people are the ones who mostly resist it

>>140079491
Evolution is compatible with the idea of God

>>140081647
How many Christians have you met? Seriously?

The majority of Christians we've all met identify as Christians in everything they do and want it to be known they're Christian without any contextual basis or reason to inform everyone.

Christianity is the original identity politics.

>>140100464

>"you can't tell me what to do dad I'M AN ADULT I DO WHAT I WANT"

>"wait dad where are you going"

>"what are you doing with that dildo"

>"dad"

>"DAD"

>"NO DAD WHY"

>"SOMEONE HELP ME PL-"

>>140079491
Evolution is an incomplete theory that doesnt account for the cambrian explosion or other spontaneous anamoly.

Its close but by no means proven

>>140080806
Phenotypes my man. Theres at least 100 ppl who look alot like you.

>>140074110
It's only when religion was finally disassociated from the state that quality thinkers appeared. They only pretended to be religious (you can see that in two main way: those who didn't pretend were prosecuted, and what they practiced and what they said were quite opposed).

>>140071305
Religion and science are actually very similar. Religion was a way to explain things before modern science. Anyone with a rational mind realizes that science will push us into a new field that will make it look as archaic as a lot of people currently look at religion.

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily fromNarodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them.

>>140100572
A being or multiple beings had to create the system we exist in. Something can't come from Nothing

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>>140100938
>something comes out of nothing
>being this anti science

>>140073844
You got this down 100%
People talk about "religion" as if it is all the same, in all places at all times. The funny thing is that most of the people who say that they "believe in science" usually know very little about both science and religion. Science isn't something that people believe in and religion is not simply random unsupported belief either.

>>140076531
No matter how many miracles are reported you will never believe them. you have decided a priori that there can be no miracles and thus your confirmation bias will not even allow for unbiased investigation into claims of the miraculous.

>>140071305
they are so fucking retarded.
putting science and religion on the same level like that is mental.

both have completely different functions for society in order for it to prosper and both are necessary. any mindset that is about abolishing one or the other is fucking stupid.

also, atheistshits can go fuck themselves. either you live your life with faith or you will have to face life with the bleak outlook of not even "wanting" to believe in an afterlife. guess what's better for your own well-being?

>>140101100

Nha more like the moment you'll come up with something that concretely proove the existence of god, some opportunistic faggot is going to use said truth and twist it to get some kind of momentary advantage over his fellow men, probably claiming he is speaking in the name of god by usurping the wisdom from the god worship as his own or something like that.

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>>140071305

Religience... ?

Someone's got to bridge the bible thumpers and the neckbeards. His name is Jordan B. Peterson.

>>140072061
>Judeo
I don't know what you mean by the "Judeo", good goy. Are you talking about how the Jews were historically persecuted as "Christ killers" in Europe?