PJW GOT FUCKING OWNED SIT DOWN ALT-RIGHT https://twitter.c

>>140054735
You can see how threatened they are by him.PJW is a powerful voice. He can't be stopped.

They wouldn’t have written the article had they not felt they were first burned along with that fat lard ass that’s licking Rowling’s taint. They can’t ignore that he’s becoming a formidable force on the platform littered with SJWs, Twitter

Oh yeah a guy living in western Europe during the early 20th century would have totally loved Communism.

>>140054735
>news
>responding to e-celebs
Sure showed them.

Antifa too stupid to know they're the dogs in "Animal Farm".

>>140056391
1984 and animal farm were both about communism.

>>140054735
PJW isn't one of /ourguys/
Who cares

But Orwell obviously would have hated pantyfa.

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>>140056559
They kinda are, aren't they?

>>140054735

Orwell was an anti-fascist but he would not have approved of antifa. He coined the term, "the fascists of the future will call themselves 'antifascists'", and he would recognize antifa as the violent anti-human cryptofascists they are. Of course he would also recognize the alt-right as the dangerous sub-fascists THEY are, he would have been on neither side of today's culture wars.

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>antifa stands for antifascist and therefore is anti-fascist even though they literally employ the tactics of actual fascists & are anarcho-communist
>george orwell hates fascists
>therefore george orwell loves antifa

also,
THE MANESTREEM METEOR

>>140054735
>actual historian

So, like some fat guy with a twitter account who was dumb enough to get a degree in history?

These people are so pathetic.

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> actual historian
> Mr Stuchbery

IT'S THE SAME MENTALLY HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER

You can't make this shit up!

(By the way, at the end of his rant, you can tell the high school teacher realizes he fucked up. He had to admit that Orwell opposed communism.)

>>140054735
Also PJW isn't even alt-right, he's consistently disavowed the alt-right

These people are so fucking stupid it hurts

>>140056755
> the fascists of the future will call themselves 'antifascists'
He didnt.
>everybody I dont like is fascist
Must be nice being a retard.

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>>140054735
Lol

Blah blah blah blah, some name with a hyphen.
Jesus Christ you are all ducked.

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>>140054735
>when a distinguished, decades-old newspaper has to go on a childish, unprofessional platform like twitter, and use the word "owned" to mention an e-celeb as they struggle for relevance in the world

wew

within the article itself they admit that george orwell came to hate all forms of totalitarianism, which antifa is a part of lmao

Paul seems to talk about things that he doesn't understand all the time, like calling paintings that came from 20th century communist countries "stupid and nonsensical" when they more often than not had anti-communist messages. They wouldn't been able to make those anti-communist messages realistic.

Dunno if I agree with Orwell supporting antifa, seems quite unlikely for me

>>140056559
I think they are more like boxer and the other farm animals. They are doomed to be cast away and forgotten.

>>140054735
>>140057041
The Independent is Gawker-tier at this point.

>>140057041
Desperation of a dying company, these people are the blockbusters of news

>>140056617
He makes it pretty clear in both books that he doesn't support communism.

>>140054735

Orwell hated Stalinists, so of course he would have hated Antifa cunts

>>140056559
IMAGINE MY SHOCK

>>140056617
>1984 and animal farm were both about the horrors of communism

FTFY

>>140054735
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/far-right-antifa-george-orwell-paul-joseph-watson-historian-alt-right-left-wing-novelist-mike-a7924491.html

Their argument is "Antifa is a name for a loose coalition of movements that protest Fascism and Nazism. Orwell hated Fascism and fought against Fascists in Spain. Therefore, Orwell would like Antifa"

From the article

>Antifa, shorthand for anti-fascist organisations, refers to a loose decentralised coalition of groups who are in favour of opposing fascism via popular grassroots action rather than relying on the police or the state. While the movement dates back to the rise of fascism in Europe in the 1920s, it has gained increasing attention for clashing with white supremacist groups in Charlottesville last month.

Find this one pretty funny

>[Mr. Stuchbery added] “I encourage Paul to widen his reading beyond the message boards and Facebook communities of the 'alt-Right' and develop a little nuance in his attitudes.”

This bloke is also the same "historian" who "owned" him about Roman Britain being ethnically diverse

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>>140057113

He obviously wouldn't have supported antifa. He hated Marxism.

See:

>>140056921

antifa and the left are absolutely the 'useful idiots'. they are fulfilling that role 100% perfectly.

Without opening the link, let me guess.
It's (((Mike Stuckleberry))) again, isn't it?

PJW isn't alt-right. Orwell fought for the marxists in the Spanish civil war, so the independent is actually right about that. This whole thread is a mess. Stop worshiping faggots who wrote books you had to read in high school.

>>140055503
/slidethread

>>140054735
(((actual historian)))

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>>140057167
Very true. 1984 was about living under Communism whereas Animal Farm was more about the rise of Communism, particularly Stalinists.

>>140054735

Leftists always cry "BUT ORWELL WAS A SOCIALIST" whenever his works are brought up against them. True, he did consider himself a socialist, but it obviously meant something different to him, because in "1984" the totalitarian systems are named "IngSoc (English Socialism") and "National Bolshevism". Orwell also was disenchanted enough with mainstream leftism by the end of his life that, according to his biographer, he believed that socialism could only work in England due to what he saw as the inherent decency and fairness of the English character.

>>140057353
Yeah that's what I thought, Paul deserves a lot of criticism but this isn't one of them. And Orwell was democratic socialist, which isn't maxist socialism, not 21st century democratic socialism at least

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manly /pol/ intellectual leader

>>140054735
Orwell's entire later career was against thuggery, Stalinism, and leftists using "the revolution" as an excuse to do whatever they wanted to do anyway, and normies know that. This professor is just underlining the worthlessness of academia. That said Norks just tested two nukes, released Huma emails include references to pizza in the context of human trafficking, and a Bulgarian journalist was fired and interrogated for establishing that Hillary's State Department funnelled Eastern European weapons to ISIS through diplomatic pouches. But hey, PJW is important too.

>>140054735
George Orwell would have been a lefty cuck in the modern day... he was best friends with all of those type of people back in the day. Google Bloomsbury Group

>>140056970
Look up the definition of "Fascism"
And then look at what Antifa is doing...
If you are not a troll, then you are a fucking retard.

>>140054735
>an actual historian
So is it some diversity woman or an actual one selling themselves out for virtue points?

Actually Orwell was a top Shabboz Goy, rank-and-file member of the JEWlluminati and his "1984" is classic JEWlluminati "in your face"

They do this part to mock us, part because they think it gives them power and part a sincere (i repeat: SINCERE) warning to us to give us a chance to fight back.

>>140057167
But he also made it pretty clear that he was a "t-that wasn't REAL socialism!" pinko.

>>140056755
Yeah, both the left and the right claim Orwell and while he was probably more left he was anti-authoritarian regimes in general.

>>140057363
AHAHAH right anon. The same faggot cuck who claimed that roman britain was nigger level diverse

>>140054735
Why would you trust any tweet written by 'Muh Independent'?

>>140054735
He'd probably have hated watson even more desu

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>>140056687
He's redpilled as fuck libturd get out

>alt right commentator

This fag has denounced the """"alt right""""" like 10 times

>>140057826
Not a historian, a history teacher.

>>140058030
This is probably the funniest thing about this whole tweet

PJW hates the alt-right

>>140056687
He's a gateway for normies to eventually end up here. He's redpill lite, but that extremely important to make our side grow. You aren't going to redpill normies by going full 14/88 on them. Gotta ease them in.

>>140057585
Wut. Is he gay?!?!

>>140058042
That's even worse. Teachers are subhuman scum. Most of them anyway.

>>140057395
No mate. Paul makes these.

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>>140054735
read that thread
in any case the one owned is the """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""historian"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" cuz he was literally spweing fake news to fit his narrative

>>140057681

Not sure about that. A fair number of lefties turned their backs on the USSR in the 1950s, though granted a lot of them were Jews who became neo-cons. If Orwell had lived to a ripe old age he might not have become a hardcore right-winger, but he would certainly at least have pissed off the orthodox Left for decades on end.

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>>140054735
>Historian/school teacher
>Orwell fought for the left
>Obviously Orwell would fight for the current left
>obviously obvious.

>>140054735
Lol it was the same faggot jew that tried to argue with him saying that there was a "Mediterranean" dug up in order to prove his point about diversity.
The only reason a liberal will use the word Mediterranean is to be misleading that it was a Spaniard or an Italian.

>>140058163
Yup =[

>>140056780

>they literally employ the tactics of actual fascists

stop saying this.

fascists would not allow their own people to fight each other in the streets unless absolutely necessary. fascism may forceably bring people together but it doesn't cause or preach chaos out of a destructive desire. Pantyfa are just retards that want to bring down "capitalism," born out of an aggrieved state of mental illness. None of those people could succinctly tell you what they're even doing except spreading chaos.

>>140058449

Orwell almost got killed by the intellectual ancestors of antifa when he was fighting for the anarchist side in the Spanish Civil War.

>>140054735
Orwell used violence against those who were using violence.
Antifa uses violence against those who are using words and arguments.

>words are violence

This is what the left believes in 2017.

>>140058496
Are you sure? Maybe that's a shoop, no?

>>140058555

It has to be said, though, that today's "fascists" are often drawn from the same marginalized and socially disaffected elements as the antifa rabble. That said, I don't count white nationalists as "fascists", because these ideologies are two different things (wanting an exclusively white country is not the same as wanting a corporatist State)

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>>140054735
>1 post by OP

>>140058030
Maybe if he goes back to Prague and explores the gay scene one more time, the left will stop unfairly attacking him.

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>>140054735
info for newfags
pic very much related

>>140057342

Orwell took action against fascists when they caused tangible harm within a war, he didn't beat up white guys with tiki torches because they triggered him on twitter.

>>140057127
Boxer represents the workers. In our context, he'd be your typical normie slob who holds down a shit service job and believes everything he hears on CNN and Facebook.
Antifa is purely the violence that leftwing totalitarianism requires to keep itself in power when it becomes obvious that it can't deliver on its promises and is destined to fail.

>>140058911

There's nothing wrong with an Orwell thread. Anyway, half the threads on this site are repetitive, content-free bullshit.

>yr guns can't defeat the almighty government
>u r mad white boi
>*sips tea*-- /pol/BTFO -- "apologize"
>this nonwhite girl is cute/this nonwhite guy is smart therefore racism is wrong
>u r all losers who eat hot pockets in your mom's basements and [etc.]

>>140054735
This shit shouldn't be posted here
Nobody gives a flying rats ass what some smartass wannabe Twitter intellectuals bicker over on social media
It's time to stop

>>140058757

people lean way too much on Mussolini's so-called definition of fascism. Fascism is a nebulous word that has been used in many different ways. The main features of fascism is a reaction to hostile forces seeking to destroy the host culture. To fight of the disease, the body politic gathers to itself all the means necessary to preserve its traditional ideals.

There is no traditionalism in pantyfa, they are not American, they are born out of a Jewish philosophy of destruction. Calling Antifa fascists is like calling a turtle a fish. Maybe it works on some level, but it misses the point.

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>>140058002
why is he walking towards the camera?

>>140058002
>Redpilled
>Constantly attacks any and all attempts to smear Jews

>>140058129
Him and Milo eased me into conservative politics. I was a Socialist before them.

>owned
what is this 2006?

>>140058967
your giving antifa too much credit, the dogs represent left wing death squads.

Antifa are basically useful idiots doing the rabble rousing and getting the shit beat out of them.

>>140054735
Paul Joseph Watson is Chad for normie brainlets who need some easy sweet redpills to start out on.

I personally like PJW. His video "Dear Black People" is fucking hilarious.

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>>140058757
>>140058555
>Replicate the tactics of the Brown Shirts
>Call yourself anti-fascists
>Suddenly you're no longer using the tactics of fascists

Really activated my almonds!!

>>140054735
>A news source is picking a fight with some random rightwing youtuber
How the mighty have fallen

>>140059266
>The main features of fascism is a reaction to hostile forces seeking to destroy the host culture

That's exceedingly broad, though, because all tribal and ethnic movements throughout history have had that same motivation. The Scots who fought off the English in the 1300s certainly did, for example, but it's highly anachronistic to call them "fascists" (and for that matter the Catholic Polish patriots who fought the Germans and Russians in WWII weren't "fascists" either).

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>>140054735

He said Karl Marx would dislike Antifa not George Orwell. Regardless he wasn't totally being serious. Also who the fuck is bragging about someone liking that TERRORIST GROUP anyways? Fuck Antifa!

>>140054735
so his proof that george orwell would've loved antifa is george orwell was part of communist groups in his youth?

is this nigger for real?

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Antifa is anti fascist because they say they are anti fascist.
Therefore, Hitler and Mussolini where socialists because they said they where socialists.
Communism is socialists because Marks, Lenin, and Stalin said communism is socialism.

Bring on the autistic shrieking

>>140057850
He doesn't make it clear that he supports it either. In Animal Farm he basically says the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

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>>140059681
Holy shit I love Brittany Venti

>>140054735
>Independent
Oh wow, surely it won't be another capture of tweets which certainly doesn't exclude inconvenient parts of a discussion.
Gwalidy jernalisum

>>140059601

It's not the street-fighting tactics of the Brown Shirts that are objectionable -- they only arose as a reaction to Communist scum trying to take over Germany by similar violent methods -- but the overall idea of one ideology monopolizing the entirety of public political discourse and punishing all dissenters, which is where Nazism went off the rails -- they didn't just punish the Left, but also the dissident Right, and used tactics pioneered under Stalinism to do so

>>140059458
Alright, I'll put it to you this way. Antifa isn't Boxer because none of them actually work.

>>140059658

20th century Fascism wouldn't work in America for the very reason that can be inferred from your post, most of it had to do with ethnic or racial ties to an historical people and/or land.

America is made up of disparate groups of Europeans, nevertheless, you could in fact call all of your examples fascists since that's what they were. often many "scholars" or historians will attempt to tie fascism to Authoritarianism, which isn't wrong, it just misses a critical aspect of why people turned into fascists. diving head first into an Authoritarian State is not exactly red meat for the average pleb.

>>140060032

I think the problem is that the Left have been screaming that everyone who disagrees with them (i.e. every normal, sensible person) is a "fascist" for so long that a lot of people on the Right have just said "well fuck it, I'm a fascist then and fascism must be a good thing." That's entirely understandable as a reaction to the insanity engulfing our society, but it also demonstrates a complete ignorance of what historical fascism actually was.

>>140054735
Paul Joseph Watson doesn't reads history, he monitors memes and propaganda and which has the highest interest that is what his videos will contain to get views. He's a collection of all rumours, memes and propaganda that are popular.

>>140060375
>He's a collection of all rumours, memes and propaganda that are popular.

They're not "popular" here in the West, because PJW (whether right or wrong) is almost always at odds with the dominant media discourse or narrative.

>>140056932
>>140058114
Because this is what people have being warning about the alt-kike since ever.

They invented this word to target us into one group to make easier to attack us and influence right wing people into following controlled opposition like queer spencer.

Both the media and libtards know people are not "alt-right" but they will still smear and label us like this because they are liars and manipulators, see how they oppose anything bad as "not real communists" but will call anybody they don't like or is embarrassing an "alt-right" and right wing, completely disregarding any shred of truth.

>>140056687
This. He's a spineless cuck and a moron
>Won't name the Jew
>Criticized modern art by slandering Duchant's Fountain, whose ENTIRE FUCKING PURPOSE was to make a statement about modern art
>Immediately denounced Trump after the Syrian airfield bombing, then backtracked and claimed he was only "off the Trump train" on that particular issue
>Claimed to be alt-right until the Charlottesville Challenger made that an unfashionable thing to be, at which point he denounced them

>>140054735
>actual historian
>independent.co.uk

Around Jews, get ready to lose.

>>140060743
Duchamp*

Not sure why I wrote Duchant

>>140060511
If you strip down all the bullshit he says, he basically says only the following: USA capitalism is great, be a Christian, we need to attack Communist countries, because they are to blame for everything in USA, it's not Christian blame, it's not capitalistic blame, it's DA COMMIES.
That's all he's saying.

>>140060557

The so-called "alt-right" is just what genuine conservatism was before it was inundated and polluted for the past 50 years by neo-cohenism, libertarianism, and cuckservatism.

>>140057383
You're the only guy here that isn't retarded. Orwell was far left and he wrote about it at length.

>>140058680
Nah, he's a fag.

>>140054735
>historian
that's same meme as psychology

>>140060920
PJW is saying same shit Christian Zion Kikes are saying in USA for 100 years.

>>140054735
>claimed he had read all of Orwell’s books and insisted the left-wing novelist would have been against the modern day anti-fascist movement.
Didn't he you know, write animal farm?
One of the best denouncements of the left there is?

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>>140060970
The alt-kike itself is kike led controlled opposition.

>>140061027
>Orwell was far left and he wrote about it at length.

Orwell fought in Spain for the Anarchists, who were targeted by the Stalinists. So no, he wasn't fighting for "Marxism" as such. Nor was he "far Left", obviously, since he criticized the far Left incessantly

>>140060362

My point is that Fascism can be deconstructed or rather, reduced to a set of principals that most traditionalists (and i use that term loosely) would agree with and see as reasonable. If we were to accept that the Spanish fascists were representative of fascism it would leave out other far more violent and destructive groups parading themselves about in slums under delusions of grandeur. It's no doubt a complicated term, one i wouldn't advocate taking up, but the fundamental raison d'être can be boiled down and the initial point is that tying such an ambiguous term to people who not only loathe what virtually all historical fascists represented in one way or another but also are a modern antithesis to it is worthless at best.

it's a ruse to score some sort of political points based on the evil Hitler narrative. these people think that if they can some how guilt by association their political rivals into being closest to le ebil hitlers, then they somehow win. It's not helpful to anyone.

>>140061303
The anarchists in Catalonia are the predecessors to anti fa, they use the same flag and are generally anarcho communists. There are no marx-leninists in anti fa

>>140056559
no they are clearly the sheep
>ONE SCOOP GOOD. TWO SCOOPS BAAAD

>>140061064
Does he have a bf?

>>140061346

I'm a traditionalist conservative and I don't see Fascism as "reasonable", though I can certainly understand it and even sympathize with the motivations of those who followed it to some extent -- Fascism always springs up as a defensive reaction to Communism. But that being said, Fascism is still an attempt to fight fire with fire, i.e. to fight savagery and barbarism and totalitarianism with the same things, and as such Fascism is always going to be a radical movement and ultimately inimical to the continuity of Western civilization.

>>140061485
>The anarchists in Catalonia are the predecessors to anti fa

Antifa were founded as the militant arm of the German Communist Party. They aren't "anarchists" at all. You don't beat the shit out of people for having a different political opinion if you're a genuine anarchist.

>>140061720
Rather than a defensive reaction, it always comes after a failed revolution. See the Spanish Civil war, Hrothy, Hitler and 1919, Mussolini and the failure of the Italian left to seize power is the 30s.

>>140061634
He's probably like the other degenerate fags getting bummed by a diff partner every weekend.

>>140061814
The Anarchists in Catalonia were brutal, they had a secret police and used concentration camps extensively. Ana hj

>>140061873
>Rather than a defensive reaction, it always comes after a failed revolution.

These are the same things. A "revolution" is just an attempt to destroy an existing society; whatever rises up to prevent that destruction is a "defensive reaction".

>>140061976
All you are telling me is that all factions of the Left are equally vicious and deserve to be exterminated

>>140054735
>ea blair would have loved tankies who ban hate speech and scream "you're a fucking white male!"

I hope this is a joke

>>140061720

I understand your point, but we haven't exactly been graced with an existential communist threat at our doorstep like Europe had which lead to the rise of fascism. Add in the Absolute-State-of-Europe even prior to heralding Angels such as Merkel and co., and you have a people not unfamiliar with ceding power to a few volunteer street sweeping nobility.

I would wonder how your opinion would change, even those in America, would such a threat arise. When the boat starts tipping to the left or right, the safest place isn't the middle, but on the far side of collapse, if for no other reason than to even it out again.

>>140059861
He certainly does. He was a devout socialist and disavowed the likes of Stalin as corrupters of such

>>140062102

I'm sure he would have applauded as five year old boys are gaslighted and told they are actually girls who need to be permanently surgically mutilated and pumped full of hormones, too. Why not? The Left already tells us that Allied soldiers were the moral equivalent of antifa (despite the fact that they fought in racially-segregated armies for countries whose immigration policies would have made Trump's look like Obama's).

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>>140057489
>he believed that socialism could only work in England due to what he saw as the inherent decency and fairness of the English character.

This nigger never read Homage to Catalonia but neither did anyone else nor me.

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>>140062179

Or he realized that both sides were authoritarian covers that really concentrated power in the hands of a few.

He realized he was a pawn in Spain.

He was the first based man.

>>140058163
He's British

>>140054735
kys OP, for even attempting this. just end yourself , quickly

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>>140054735

Also PJW is a tool, but I agree that modern art and architecture is horrible.

>>140062126

I agree to some extent, and I will say this: at the moment there are only two sides in politics -- those who want to destroy Western civilization and those who want to preserve it, and I am always and unhesitatingly on the side of the latter even if some of them (a tiny minority, so far) happen to include so-called "neo-Nazis". The Left wants us to become dispossessed and persecuted minorities in the lands our ancestors built; anyone who resists them is my ally.

>>140062395

To be fair, the English character used to be characterized by a concern for fairness and decency. I even saw something of it when I was a boy in the UK in the late 1970s. It's dying out now, of course.

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>>140062799

Neo Nazis are idiots that do more harm then good, but the price of free will is sin, so you have to let them speak.

Also the historian that "owned" him is an idiot.

The idea of black soldiers in the roman army is laughable, the Romans barely had any contact with Nubia or sub-saharan africa let alone draw soldiers from it.

>>140059339
Jews are just a meme. When you have a serious channel it's est to tell the truth.

>>140059266
marxism, a 150yo philosophy, can't be called traditional at this point? esp. considering most of us were born after the 60s, the soft communist coup of the usa

>>140056391
The whole antifa = communist is a meme

No one 2ants actual communism

>>140063046

No question. I can hardly believe that, when I went to school, British children were taught to take pride in their culture and in the accomplishments of their ancestors. (I was even taught to sing "Rule Britannia" -- in Scotland!) Now UK schoolkids are taught that blacks were in Britain before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. That rot occurred over the space of only a few decades, but God willing I will live to see it reversed in my lifetime.

>>140054735
1984 was a criticism of Commienism...

>>140063357
>The whole antifa = communist is a meme

Antifa was literally founded by the German Communist Party.

>>140057283
The only horrors of communism was that it didn't go far enough. Stalin killed more piece of shit leftie than anyone.

>>140063357
>The whole antifa = communist is a meme

Antifa was literally founded by the German Communist Party

>>140062799

i agree, i don't think the "left" is inherently evil as many on here seem to think, but i would agree that the line must be drawn at culture. even if its stupid, it's still ours. and once it's gone, it doesn't come back, unlike something tangible like a city or statue.


>>140063100

i see what you're saying but this is a difference between preservation and destruction. what is pantyfa's endgame? anarchy? I honestly do not believe that is true outside of their intellectual elite (if i daresay), i think they are lowest rung who have no perspective and destroy for petty, selfish reasons. outcasts that band together to mire in their own debased natures. There are no higher ideals in pantyfa outside of corporeal and emotional states which precede their wanton behavior.

>>140054735
>'Orwell signed up to fight with the militia of a Spanish Marxist party via the ILP. That's how much he despised fascists,' says historian
>neglects to mention that the fucking commies accused him of fascism, and him having to flee Spain to avoid being murdered by commies

>>140054735
WE DID IT REDDIT!!!!

>>140063739
Orwell was one of ours.

>>140054735
... Orwell would've hated Antifa, you dumb fucking niggers.

>>140063379

The thing that chaps my ass is that the actual kick ass history of black africa gets ignored.

The Abyssinias were actually in talks with France and the Crusaders to launch an invasion of Egypt during the 2nd or 3rd crusade.

The Eithopians allied with the Portugese to fight the Ottoman Empire.

>Mr Watson, who is editor of far-right conspiracy site Info Wars, claimed he had read all of Orwell’s books and insisted the left-wing novelist would have been against the modern day anti-fascist movement.
MSM calling other infowars a conspiracy site, fucking hypocrites.

I thought Orwell was a right wing novelist anyway?

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>>140059876

BACK OFF SHE'S MINE

>>140063943

Interesting stuff, do you have any links?

>>140063357
Anti was formed in the 20s as the paramilitary wing of the German communist party. Modern antifa literally advocate anarcho-communism you ignorant twat

Does he use meteors to light his cigarettes?

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PJW is lying corporate snake.

>>140054735
Just like the time he got "owned" by the "actual" "historian" who claimed that there were sub saharan blacks in roman britain. Considering the very very very rare occasion that someone who could pass as a black from roman numidia or nubia could actually settle in britain doesnt mean that roman britain was multicultural by todays standards. Most of britain at the time were celtic speaking romano brits or latin colonists from gaul in southern britain.

>>140064147

http://www.worldhistory.biz/sundries/38596-ethiopia-portuguese-and-sixteenth-seventeenth-centuries.html

>>140055555

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>>140057167
>>140057410

It's amazing how many blue pilled faggots are on /pol/. Orwell was anti-soviet union, but still "that's not true communism" type, like the guys from Frankfurt school, which also despised totalitarianism, but were cultural marxists at the same time.

Orwell was far-left, he hated Oswald Mosley and the British Union of fascists, he was a free speech advocate, but went bashing the fash in Barcelona when they were taking power.

Consider this; he would probably be against the first strike, but would have no problem beating alt-reichters with clubs if they tried to realize their plans.

>>140064470

Good old Ethiopia. This explains the widespread European sympathy towards Haile Selassie in the 1930s (who was sadly to end up as yet another noble victim of Communism).

>>140064550
>[Orwell] would have no problem beating alt-reichters with clubs if they tried to realize their plans.

So how many street fights did he actually participate in against Moseley's British Union of Fascists, despite living in London at the same time? Oh, that's right: none.

>>140057383
He was a social anarchist which you can read about in a homage to Catalonia but he also became disillusioned with how quickly they turned on their own and started calling them fascists. He was socialist who was well meaning but refused to look at critically until it was forced upon him.

>>140064550
Antifa are Fascist though.
Saying "he hated fascism" and saying "but he'd like antifa" would mean he was a retard.

>>140064779
>Antifa are Fascist though.
No they aren't. They are communists and anarchists. Learn to use words correctly instead of being such a Burger

>>140064459

Would the Romans actual get actual regular soldiers for the legions from those areas.

I would assume most would be akin to mercenaries or conscripts brought in for short term duty, not permanent garrison/settlers like Rome.

Its one thing to say that Britian wasn't full of pale red heads but another to claim black people in Britian during the time frame is ridiculous.

Look how pissy people get when Egyptians are probably portrayed accurately as having fair skin pre-islamic invasions.

>>140054735
>implying modern day commies and anti-fascists are the same thing as the ones of the past
>not knowing the group "anti fascist" is stratified and antifa is only 1 group with that group
>implying Orwell wouldn't have been smart enough to see Antifa are stooges of the capitalist system despite most calling themselves commies
>implying PJW got owned and the historian isn't equally as retarded
>implying PJW even matters
>posting in obvious slide thread

>>140058911
Do people even still care about first page? I haven't been outside of catalog since day one.

Fuck the shitskins. Lets just start killing leftists. Kill their parents, children. Everything.

Fucked up tierd of thoose fuckers

>>140064550
He was left-libertarian mostly, wasn't he?

The problem with the historian's claim to PJW is that just because he bashed fash in Spain doesn't mean he would approve of today's antifa, who spends a lot of time bashing just regular right-wing folks.

>>140064776

Which predates Animal Farm and 1984.

Everyone with a heart is a leftist when young.

Orwell saw the reality in Spain.

>>140064879
They're the same kind of marxists that accused Orwell himself of fascism and used it as a pretext to try and kill him.

>>140064779
>Antifa are Fascist though.

No. Antifa are totalitarian in their tactics, like Fascists -- but that doesn't mean that their belief systems are exactly the same. What is true, though, is that fascism and communism have more in common with each other than either has with "bourgeois" liberal democracy.

>>140065040

Read up on the man before posting fellow burger.

Orwell fought for the commies but realized that anti-fa was no different then fascists, homage to catalonia was written before Animal Farm and 1984.

>>140064879
>antifa
>anti fascist
>Auntey fascist
>Uncle Adolf
>Aunt Fascist
>not seeing the connection
>can't even triforce in 2020 the year of our lord and savior
>doesn't even have techno music open playing in another tab
>doesn't even have tranny porn up on his 2nd monitor
>isn't fapping for 8 hours a day while learning another language and BTFOing anons like you
G E T O N M Y L E V E L

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The antifa terrorists are upset about 1984 because it is turning into a modern documentary before our eyes. Anyone with half a brain knows that they need to be gassed alongside die juden inorder to achieve a final solution.

Didn't the historian in question also argued with him about the BBC video about a typical Roman family, which included various mixed-races individuals?
I think he's just a teacher actually, can't really remember the whole story.

>>140065182
that quote is fake. he fought with anarchists and anti communist Marxists. He was always anticommunis

>>140065173
Why is it that all the commie leaders and philosophers are from the bourgeois then anon? Fascists at least encourage class cooperation so it's a little more understandable for bourgeoise to be found amongst them.

>>140064779
authoritarians would be a better term but your not wrong

>>140055503

Threatened? There fucking laughing in his face. Not the behavior of the threatened.

When you talk shit for a living, you're going to put your foot in your mouth from time-to-time. It's an odds game.

Orwell was an anti-fascist fag

>>140063357
Antifa are literally far-left anarcho-syndicalists and communists, r*tard

>>140054735
>signing up to fight fascists means you would sympathize with a domestic terror group that happens to call itself anti-fascist
lol

>>140065410

Yes thats why his comrades were recalled to the Soviet Union by Uncle Joe and shot.

>>140064779
>antifa are fascist
get the fuck out retard
why cant these morons get b& honestly, this is like entry level bullshit

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>>140064550
>Orwell was far-left,

By 1940s standard, today he'd be called a nazi for pic related.

>>140065570
Shhh, he's going to learn what those words mean eventually. Everyone starts out somewhere.

>>140065570

People should say authoritarian but thats what they mean.

Both want to establish an authoritarian regime, one wants its symbol to be a hammer and sickle the other a swastika.

Different lies same bullshit.

Read the second half of the road to wigan pier. He absolutely despises numale antifa types that are Middle and upper class larpers.

>>140065433
>Why is it that all the commie leaders and philosophers are from the bourgeois then anon

Because they aren't satisfied with the power they already have, but imagine they can seize even more (of course they usually end up being shot by even more radical Leftists once their revolution is successful). To put it in Communist terms, they are traitors to their class

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>>140061603
underrated.

>>140065632
>By 1940s standard, today he'd be called a nazi for pic related.

Also for the stuff he said about the Jews.

>>140065632
>this same shit all happened 70 years ago
The West has been in decay for a long time.

>>140057167

It's /pol/ stupidity that for a person to be Anti-Fascist they have to be a Communist. It's not true.

Historically most Anti-Fascist are Capitalists.

Orwell was in the Partido Obrero de Unificación Marxista during the Spanish Civil War (Workers' Party of Marxist Unification).

He wrote a book about killing fascists during the war called "Catalonia."

Orwell hated Fascists and Communists.

>>140065881
You keep conflating the term "anti-fascist" with the more general term when the anons in this thread are clearly using it to describe antifa the organization. Stop being a pedantic faggot k thx

>>140066042

You're ignoring that topic of the thread that some fucking alt-right fucktard WAS A PEDANTIC ASSHOLE and got fucking owned by people much smarter than him.

So eat a dick and enjoy poverty.

>>140065460
first they something something
then they laugh at you
then u imageen mai sock

>>140065535
Spanish communists and anarchists were domestic terrorists calling themselves anti-fascist

>>140066164

Yes a historian who defended Romans being portrayed as black in Britian, real smart guy.

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>>140057585
>vibrator gay scene
Huh?

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This was a newspaper article last week, it reads
>The favorite book of all Tube Pushers, Rapists, Heroin dealers, terror planner, gropers, pickpockets, gold coin robbers (wut), thugs and hooligans

Anyone who claims Orwell is not a leftist should read his Homage to Catalonia

You can still be a socialsit and disapprove USSR, go figure.

>>140066164
Um sorry sweetie but that isn't relevant at all to your post or who you responded to and you're full of shit trying to deflect the fact that you're wrong :)

>>140056755
That was Churchill you idiot.

>>140067008
Winston "The fat commander" Churchill was a cock sucking faggot

>>140066860

One of his first books, he then wrote Animal Farm and 1984 later.

1984 bad guys are Ingsoc.

>>140056780
AntiFA stands for Anti Fascist Action, specifically a group, a group they would like to expand the size and strength of by pretending to be a loose collection of people who just so happen to hate fascism.

WHY DONT THEY JUST READ ANIMAL FARM

ORWELL WAS A STAUNCH ANTI-STALINIST

>>140056617
Yes they were.

But in no unclear terms where they a critique of it, animal for is LITERALLY about stalin.

>>140063080
>Jews are just a meme

Fuck off shlomo I see you

>>140067210

Did you read 1984 in all honestly.

Its an attack on the welfare state happening in Britian.

>>140066848

Wait, what the hell is that supposed to mean?

>>140067476
>Did you read 1984 in all honestly.
Yes I did.

>Its an attack on the welfare state happening in Britian.
Is it?

>>140066860
>You can still be a socialsit and disapprove USSR

Obviously, but it went deeper than that. In his review of Burnham's "Managerial Revolution" Orwell noted that economic centralization entailed political centralization, and that political centralization entailed repression -- and admitted that he wasn't sure what the way out of that conclusion might be.

>>140054735
>george orwell joined a marxcist brigade to fight actual fascists therefore he would definitely approve of antifa attacking conservatives

>>140067517
that you don't have to be scared of surveilance goy, only bad people don't want that.

>>140054735
>WE LAIK TO MAIK MEMES AN AVE FOUN
>THE ALT ROIGHT ARE LITERAL NAWTSEES AN WE MAIK ALL THA MEMES

>>140054735
>an actual historian
Isn't anyone who studies history in any context a historian?

>lol what is animal farm lol xd
>1984 is clearly about DRUMPF

>>140060743
Except that Duchamp's statement was that the interpretation of art was more important than the actual art and skill/time behind it.

You can thank Duchamp as the reason we went from Michelangelo's statues to paint splatters on a canvas as "high taste", you fucking jackass.

>>140067868

Your country is really fucked, and that's definitely saying something coming from a Canadian

>>140057113
There is a difference between Anti-Soviet and Anti-Communist.

99% of postmodernist paintings are garbage whether East European or West European. They convey the same degeneracy whether anti-soviet or anti-western.

It's all non-talented artists trying to be edgy.

>>140057710
>ANTIFA ARE DA REEL FASHISTS
Please fuck off back to /r/the_donald

>>140057383
Hahahahah. You're a fucking moron. Have you even read: Hommage to Catalonia?

Orwell may have fought against Franco but things turned sour for him and his Marxist friends very quickly.

During the Madrid uprising the Communists tortured and murdered hundreds of his comrades. Orwell was lucky to leave Spain with his life after he fled.

The time in Barcelona turned Orwell against the left, he actually never wrote anything pro-socialist again after his time in Spain.

>>140054735
>Orwell was a socialist

How did he not know this? That said, I think Orwell would have disapproved of how totalitarian the left is becoming.

>>140056490
This, it's embarrassing to call this news.

>>140068035
Orwell volunteered for and fought for the socialists in the Spanish civil war. Animal farm is about how the soviet union ended up being corrupted and turned away from its original goals. In animal farm the pig "snowball" which is meant to represent Lenin is portrayed in a very positive light whereas the pig "napoleon" which represents Stalin is portrayed in a very negative light. The import thing about this is that Orwell portrayed the original purpose and early years of the Soviet Union in a very positive way. In an interview Orwell stated that 1984 was a criticism of Britain's conservative party (Tories). Orwell also outright stated in his essay "why i write" that he is a socialist.

>>140065570
I'm D'naesh Souza and I can confirm he's right.

>>140058163
Maybe he just wants Muslims to hate him even more

>>140068789
He would hate Hillary and the democratic party but he would probably like Bernie.

>>140065460
They wouldn't be giving him free promotion if that were the case.

>>140069033
He is a socialist in that he supports the idea of socialism; however, the idealized version socialism is not the reality. Antifa claim the idealized version of socialism, but in reality their actions of fascistic. He would not support their actions.

>Paul Joseph Watson
So this is the power of /pol/ """"""""intellectuals"""""""""

>>140065460

>There fucking laughing in his face. Not the behavior of the threatened.

THat's what the left do, dipshit. You literally just went through an election where they doubled down on the very behavior that got Trump elected.

well imogin mayn S H A W K

>>140070057
What? You mean not working to turn the government towards publicly executing FBI and CIA agents? Agreed.

>>140054735
Read Road to Wiggen Pier.

Hell, read god damn Homage to Catalonia. PJW was 100% right about what Orwell would have thought of Antifa.

>>140054735
OH SNAP! N00BZ GOTZ PWNED HARD!

Good, PJW is just an infowars puppet.
And even more sadly his immaturity with that whigny voice and other stuff means he can never be taken seriously.
He's stuck there and always will be.

>>140067008
No it wasn't. It was some american dude.

>>140065570
People in black masks running around with clubs and beating people that have opposing ideas to them.

In any meaningful context, they are basically fascists.

>>140054735
>pjw
>alt right
Really boggles mi noggles

>“While I chose to highlight Orwell's attitudes towards fascism in my thread, we must also understand that he came to resent all totalitarian governments. One can come to despise the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum simultaneously - it's not an either or situation."
So PJW is right ?

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>>140071282
Today I will remind them.

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>>140071185
I know some that drove around and shot at people that had opposing ideas to them

>>140071185
Calling antifa fascists is like calling fish penguins. You literally can't be fucking fascist without having control of the state and military, you god damned fucking morons.

>>140054735
>linking to a twitter post thats only purpose was to link to an article
>screencapping the twitter link
>not posting anything from the article
>not archiving it
What the fuck is wrong with you OP? Are genuinely retarded? I don't even have patience for this nigger-tier shilling. I can't tell if leftists actually browse this site, because shit like this is too retarded not to be posted ironic

>>140071525
This is the new 4chan poster. He's 12 so he can only read twitter.

>>140067008

That fuckwit churchill helped create the disaster that is modern day, I hope that asshole is burning in hell for his sins.

>>140071451
that was before hillary made that alt right speech and stormcucks confirming "yes we are the alt right" so everyone had to switch label to "new right/alt light" faggotry because you cant win elections by being a stormcuck.

>>140072090
If you have to keep lying about who you are and what you represent, you shouldn't be in power to begin with.

>>140058163
no it's just a meme lool

>>140054735
George Orwell fought with anarchists in Catalonia. That doesn't mean he would have approved of bans on free speech. "Actual historian" my arse.

Imagine my shock.

The independent is one of the worst newspapers going, it is like breitbart but on the over side of the spectrum. Just makes up some bollocks, I don't know what deluded types of champagne socialists make these articles.

What is even the point of claiming Orwell would have been against Antifa?

>>140072290
Stormfags do not represent me.
They're a bunch of cancerous degenerate losers.

>>140072415
The state of journalism is absolutely atrocious.

>>140072582
If you're a racist capitalist, then yes, Stormfront does represent you. I'd go so far as to say if you're right wing at all it represents you. The right wing ALWAYS degenerates to racism and capitalism. Every single time.

I'm seeing a lot of this"actual historian" bullshit. What actually qualifies someone as an "actual historian"?

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>>140067868
stay strong germanon, take a cool refreshing sip of water

>>140067583
Yes it is, now go actually read it.

>>140054735
Orwell was a socialist but literally wrote a book all about the ills of cummunism and totalitarianism in general

>>140057041
I hope all of these cunts sink to be forgotten forever.

>>140072682
>Me
>Limit non-white immigration so whites are always the majority in white countries
>Stormfag
>Put all non-whites in the ovens and have zero immigration
Stormfags do not represent me

>>140054735
>civnat C U C K shabbos goy PJW
>alt-right

HAAHHAHAAHAH

>>140054735
>pjw doesnt represent a group
>alt right is a made up term by the opposition
>everybody is welcome to post in this website, regardless of their race or belief system

everything is fine

>>140072682
kill yourself faggot

>>140054735
>1 post by this ID

just a thread spammer trying to create drama.

move on guys nothing new here

>>140072778
I have read it...

>>140072682
You are deliberately being naive to win your argument,

You know that movements change when it picks up the wrong crowds, look at antifa, I am sure that wouldn't have been nearly as violent, look at your politics, it changes its method. Conforming to a political ideology doesn't mean you have to stick with it through and through when it starts to change into something you no longer stand for.

Our Labour Party used to stand up for the working class, now it stands up for pakis and naive socialist students

>>140065460
The left said the same about Donald Trump. "Oh he's just a joke, nobody takes him seriously." Look where we are now.

They are fucking terrified of any voice from the right being heard.

>>140056559
>>140056617
>what is homage to catalonia
fucking brainlets I swear

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>>140054735
>one guy gets owned
>THATS IT THE WHOLE MOVEMENT IS DEAD
OP is a faggot like always

>>140054735

>muh actual historian guys
>just one with an opinion
>muh authoritarian fallacy
>much expert
>knows exactly what george orwell thinks!!

>>140069033
Snowball is Trotsky, not Lenin.

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He was an anarchist but he would hate 'antifa' of today, because they are a capitalist liberal petit bourgouis farce, co-opting and subverting anarchism on a global platform so they can LARP le egy anarco man and let out their virgin rage on actual proles.

>>140072548
Orwell is a kind of secular saint, all sides pray him in aid.

>>140065681
>Shhh
go back unto reddit

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>>140057482
t. Jamal and cletus BASED BTFO of hipsters

>>140073680
this desu, he would have found it impossible to relate to the modern labour party as new labour is way more liberal than socialist. Although corbyn would probably would be welcome but still soft in his eyes since he's just a socdem.

>>140054735
Holy shit these people are fucking retarded, its embarrassing. Orwell was anti-authoritarian he would not like commie antifa, this is fucking stupid.

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>>140054735
>George Orwell
>Historians
Why would historians know shit about Orwell?
It's not in their field. You study Orwell in comparative literature. Wether he would have hated Antifa or not is uncertain, but what is certain is that his works are overrated by dummies who can't compehend beyond simple Harry Potter analogies.

Want complex arguement in fictional literature? Then read Starship Troopers. The work has a complete lack of plot and adventure, but the political insight is a million times more advanced than Orwells child level analogies.

>>140073638
I thought squealer was Trotsky?

>>140074556
>Wether he would have hated Antifa or not is uncertain
Yea its pretty certain, he was still a leftist

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>>140073197
Homage to Catalonia is one of Orwell's earlier works which he wrote when youngish and while he was still starry-eyed about Communism. Even in that book he criticized the lefts in-fighting. Later he grew totally disillusioned with the left, became fairly conservative (pic related) and wrote Animal Farm and then 1984

>>140074716
No, I mean it's uncertain because Antifa says there one thing but they do another thing. There's no consistency in their ideology.

>>140074358
Fqggot he went of his own back to fight alongside marxist and anarchists in the spanish civil war. He was a democratic socialist, meaning that while he accepted some strains of socialist reformism, he was fully committed to seeing socialism eventually taking over the state and abolishing private property. He might not have joined antifa in the streets because he wouldnt want to give fascists ammunitiok but he certainly not condemn antifa for protesting ethnonationalists and other reactionaries. And if you think antifa = napoleon from animal farm, then you're just outing yourself as a brainlet.

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>actual historian
>knowing jack shit about literature
>>140074556

Any literary professor worth their salt knows Orwell fucking hated communists, fascists, and anything vaguely authoritarian. He was also wise against anarchists and saw them just as a tool to bring about new authoritarian power.
Journalists are not humans, they are tools being used against humans. Should the revolution come I want anyone to remember where these thing's loyalties were put.

>>140072503

I like how Liberals have gone down the Ben Garrison route:

1. Create strawman of opposition
2. Go for massive gish gallop/other fallacy
3. Declare victory (with optional "mic drop")

>>140054735

Is it that fat headed supply teacher guy again? The guy who only has a BA in history and libtards act like that makes him an authority on history?

>>140074556
>Why would historians know shit about Orwell?
Because he was a prolific writer and himself a great primary source for the spanish civil war. Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>140074907
He said Antifa were the equivalent of the Dogs (who were taken away as young puppies and indoctrinated) in Animal Farm you muppet

>>140056391
Orwell was a socialist but he wasn't like the retards we have these days.

>>140074914
>against anarchists
meme
>against authoritarianism
that's completely different from being against socialism

>>140074914
Well, yes. That's because modern journalism is widely reduced to being an attention whore with a blog. Don't know about other countries, but here in Denmark it's not really a scientific education.

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>>140054735
i bet paul's newest video will OWN this ''historian''

>>140074864
No antifa will violently suppress any right wing speech, to think that this is not something that would be accepted by anti-totalitarians is ridiculous.
>>140074907
Never denied that he is a leftist you dumb nigger, funny you call me a brainlet with all your spelling mistakes. Antifa is totalitarian in its speech suppression and I doubt that he would have been okay with it considering he was not okay with Soviet Union especially considering that many of antifa are fans of Soviet Union

>>140075078
No, the dogs are the cheka and the nkvd. Fuck off with your revisionism.

>>140075019
>historians studies fictional literature
Retard, I

>>140057255
Antifa are mostly ancoms

>>140075220
>interpretation
>revisionism

You're an idiot

>>140058555
Put on your commie flag you flaming cockmongler

>>140075220
We know the dogs are the USSR's Cheka/NKVD in the book. What we are saying is that Antifa is the equivalent of the dogs in the West in the current year - though they are probably closer to the runt of the litter :^)

>>140073019
Apparently not well enough to understand it, otherwise we wouldn't be having this back-and-forth now.

>>140075124
Not an argument, shitposter.

>>140059312
Alri kev

>>140075175
>antifa is totalitarian
That's a retarded vulgarisation of their position. They're against giving fascists a platform and seek to disrupt any avenues fascists explore when it comes getting their views out. Considering their origin story in 1932 during weimar, it's not surprising. Fun fact: weimar's antifa membership only exploded after Hitler "won" the chancellorship.

Also calling a bunch of anarkiddies totalitarian is a complete meme, it's as if you didnt know what totalitarianism means. Although yes I agree, they're attempting to violate the freedom of expression of fascists.

>>140075231
>if an author writes fiction once, that is all they can write for their career
Homage to catalonia is literally Orwell's direct account of his time joining the POUM and fighting alongside other marxist militias in spain. He also wrote and commented regularly on all manners of contemporary political and social topics. KYS.

>>140075263
Going from
>He said Antifa were the equivalent of the Dogs
to
>What we are saying is that Antifa is the equivalent of the dogs in the West in the current year

Yeah, nah. You're just typical fascist liars trying to bend the truth to your liking as much as you can possibly get away with.

>>140075732
>They're against giving fascists a platform
What the fuck that means you fucking brainlet? Asking the "fascists" nicely to go away and then the "fascists" go away? Remember Milo event riots? They fucking bash heads with bike locks if you think that is not authoritarian suppression of speech then I don't know what to say other than kill yourself.

>>140073197
>what is Orwell spending the later years of his life working in the Information Research Department to counter commie propaganda and compiling a list of people likely to be pro-commie traitors should WW3 break out for the British government
Also his review of Mein Kampf would probably have the author labelled alt-right and punch on site by antifa if it was published today.

>>140075564
As opposed to the falsehoods you're posting? Orwell actually went and fought alongside anarchists. The famous crystal spirit poem is about a fucking anarchist partisan he briefly met there. >>140075732

>>140076326
>you cant be socialist if you're against authoritarianism
this is your brain on lolbergism

>>140054735
>orwell was against fascist, so he would be pro antifa
do they even understand the work of orwell and others who take a clear stand against ideological extremism?

>>140076248
Authoritarianism implies support of the state institutions, you fucking bellend. That's why I said even though antifa violates the fascists' free speech, they still cant be constituted as authoritarian. You can call them 'violent militants' or even 'fascist suppressors'. But it's evident that they operate outside of the state organs and often against its wishes, therecore they cannot be authoritarian as they are not tools of the state.

>>140054735
> actual historian
> high school teacher

Pick one.

>>140076536
The conversation is about whether or not he would have supported an organisation dedicated to the violent supression of anyone they deem 'fascist'. Hell, people labeling everyone and their mother being a fascist and that "as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless" is something else he wrote an essay on. It is not about Orwell suporting social democracy, that is a goal post you have just constructed.

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>>140058163
you just know

>>140076917
I already acquiesced he probably wouldn't advocate for the first strike during "peaceful" protests, but he certainly wouldnt condemn antifa for disrupting fascist rallies. And the second a fascist hit someone, he'd change his mediating tune. Don't ever think Orwell was not a demsoc.

>>140076828
>Authoritarianism implies support of the state institutions
Why the fuck you think the police stood down in Charlottesville? Maybe because Antifa could be used to shut down free speech as a tool of the state? They are literally defending the status quo.
>you fucking bellend
Nice flag there bong

>>140054735

>alt-lite e-celeb gets told that some guy in the past who was warned against a future authoritarian dystopia certainly would love violent crypto-fascists

wow who fucking cares

>>140054735
>anti-fa is anti-fascist therefore they are not fascist, communist or anarchist
Thanks schlomo.

>>140077309
>the state backs antifa
Barely 2 weeks after a fascist rally, antifa is listed as a terror org by the state while the altright still is a-okay. You're in complete denial.

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>>140057492
Western civilization is the result of 2000+ years of White supremacy. Paul Ryan and McCain are conflating white rule with hate and terrorism, bizarre stance when white rule has liberated more people than any other society known to man. Also bizarre when it comes from two powerful white men in a nation founded by white men. White men have handed out liberty like candy compared to the rest of the world. Once white supremacy fades away(already happening) western civilization goes with it. Something new will come from our weird mix and looking at the mess that is South America and Africa I don't see it being better.

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>>140068500
your so easy to spot your fuckin radioactive shareblue nigger

>>140077865
Because they can't control themselves and make themselves look bad, the state had no problem with them attacking Alt-right, but they are no good at anything else. Both republicans and democrats supported antifa on this. The only person who was at least neutral was Trump

>>140078537
>Because they can't control themselves and make themselves look bad
As opposed to the altright?
Look here's a real redpill for you. The state does not support either the altright, nor antifa but will use both to protect and advance its neoliberal agenda. Now thanks to both retards, it will be easier for the government to shut down activists critical of its policies while also increasing surveillance state powers.

But back on topic, to say antifa are da real fascists is t_d tier.