If Feminism isn't necessary why did men take away women's

>>139901401
Womb envy. Males naturally feel inadequate, and the prevailing (((ideologies))) don't give them a good outlet for their feelings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womb_and_vagina_envy

Womb envy: The cause of misogyny and even male achievement?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277539511000252

>>139901669
>Males naturally feel inadequate
This is because the techno industrial society we live in stripped us of a way to fulfill ourselves more meaningfully. I know you're joking, but it has nothing to do with wanting a vagina

>>139901401

you clearly need a cock in your mouth whore.
why don't you check out tinder. lot's of studly chads will fill your up for free and maybe even buy you dinner.

>>139901888
It has nothing to do with a techno industrial society. It's a primitive, ancient, deep-seated emptiness in the male that can only be overcome by reconciling with the female.

>>139902016
No thanks. Tinder sucks.

>>139901888
And it's not about wanting a vagina per se, but rather being envious of the live creating and nurturing powers that women have. So, you end up with obviously insane bullshit like Adam or Zeus giving birth to a female, "witch" hunts, and sexual repression.

>>139902066
>It's a primitive, ancient, deep-seated emptiness in the male that can only be overcome by reconciling with the female.
that's just called wanting to get laid

>>139901401

Is this seriously what they teach now in University ? Women have had no problems entering or competing in professional fields of study going backward into history. With the exception of segmented institutions like Monestary life, the glass ceiling is a construct developed by Socialists to infiltrate and disrupt US productivity gains. Go look it up, 1951 Soviet Plenary in St Petersburg. Open archives.

>>139901401
Because women is a resource and if you manage it wrong you lose to those who manage it right.

>>139902285
It's also why you see so many religions with the mother and baby son imagery. Catholicism won't admit it, but it's because the male is always going to be the little baby of the live giving female.

>>139902404
Don't stop them. Let these "women" rack up $200,000 getting their "gender studies" degree. So the only way they will be able to get out from under the debt is to be a fricking sex slave. Then see what they have to say.

>>139902895
Then they'll just blame the system
there is no cure other than a proper dicking

>>139901401
the fall of man is often met with praise from those who hate civilization. Those I suppose being an abomination is fun from their point of view before God smites them

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>>139901401
You seem to be under the delusion that those are good things.

>>139901401

The family unit was more valued than individual freedom.

>>139901401
Because womens role in the world is to be mothers. Nothing else is important. They are worse than men at everything and less than 1% of them have anything of value to add to anything. Mens job is to protect humanity, create things and take us forward. What has happened in every society in the world except Israel where women have equal rights? The birthrate is below replacement. If you pretend like women are equal to men in competitive ability and tell them that they should all compete with men in the workplace they will do that instead of having kids and your people will die.

>>139901401

Women ruin society and are unfit for running such.

The founders of democracy said it as much, and we should probably listen to them.

>>139903274
Having the option to not be in poverty is a good thing

>>139903310
So what would a smart woman who wasn't Stacy in looks supposed to do? Accept her life in servitude or get married to a poor man with no option of escaping poverty because women's SMV is based on looks?

>>139903381

>and tell them that they should all compete with men in the workplace they will do that instead of having kids and your people will die

Well at first some of them will do it. Eventually it will become normalized.

At some point it reaches a tipping point where this surplus of labour lowers the value of the worker to the point where a family must have both parents working in order to support it and then the women who don't really want to work have to.

>>139903381
I'm good at many male tasks and I don't have the female instincts or the social instincts. I'm better at math, science, and technology than what you want me to do. As a high IQ female what's the point of having this high IQ if I can't use it and achieve my dreams?

>>139903730

>life in servitude

You would be supporting your family and raising your own children with the help of your partner.

Who would you be serving in that scenario? Yourself and your family. Is that a bad thing?

>>139903848
There's always an option not to work.

>>139904035
It's not serving myself if I don't get paid for it. It's not serving myself if my husband gets all the control and all the decision making. It's not serving myself if the husband can fuck up financially and then leave me without any options.

>>139902518
If you were born with a vagina would you be fine with being seen as property? As for the interests of "society" if I'm a literal slave in that society none of the advantages matter because I can't get ahead using those advantages.

>>139903381
Do you tell your girlfriend or wife this if she exists?

>>139904149

Do you get paid to make yourself a meal that you eat? You do not need to be given currency in exchange for every action you take in order for it to be a positive one that increases your own interests.

If you have zero input or control concerning your family and your partner is raving idiot that financially ruins your family then you have chosen a poor partner.

>>139903848
If you're in a union or high paying job it doesn't affect you this way. I've never been affected by the falling wages. Also women used to have no money at all. Now they have a lot more so it's a big plus for women.

>>139903941
>Hurrr I'm one of those guys
Please go away. We've heard this over and over again.

>>139901401
Because women are naturally manipulative because of their subservient nature, and as such have a negative effect on society when they're given too many rights. There's also the fact that courts favor them in almost every scenario, I wonder how well off they'd be if situations were actually examined critically when involving a woman.

>>139904633
Women should have the option to fix the situation instead of being doomed for life. You don't understand that I don't have the social instinct. Things that give you intrinsic reward doesn't really give me intrinsic reward. I don't feel connected to society either.

>>139904830
If I have fewer rights what advantages will I get? Why should I logically support having fewer rights? But society isn't an answer. What TANGIBLE benefits would I get?

>>139904039

Not everyone has that option. Only the rich and, in some societies, the parasites.

>>139904645

I too am in a union. As great a tool as they are, unions are not nearly as strong as they once were. Even if you possess a skill not easily replaced wages are still being suppressed across the board.

Have feminists ever wondered why 99% of societies have suppressed women?
Could it be because when unfettered women cause or accelerate the breakdown of society (like they are for, most notably, the black community in America)?

>>139904297
>If you were born with a vagina would you be fine with being seen as property?

In that context, I would be a woman and therefore less concerned with complex philosophical thoughts and more concerned with social approval.

>>139904982
They were strong for my parents. I didn't grow up in the same family or income environment as much of my generation did. I had a lot in my upbringing that they say only happened before the 70s or so. So when people say that something no longer happens it's hard for me to internalize it.

>>139904297
>with being seen
Nobody gives a shit about how you "being seen", reproduction depends on women and therefore they are objectively most vital resource. Societies that start asking their opinion instead of just using them by main biological purpose basically commiting suicide, we can see fine example of this right now in Europe with population being replaced by genetically inferior muslim apelings whose only advantage is them treating females right.

>>139905048
I don't care about social approval though unless it's from people who give me something I want.

>>139901401

If men and women are not only equal but the same why have men always dominated the public sphere and women always dominated the private sphere?

>>139904297
fuck your feelings

>>139905002
Nope. It's the fault of the black MEN for leaving their women pregnant and behind. It's funny you care about the black men who rape and beat black women and cause so much crime but have such disdain for a woman who wants to to work, be alone, and mind her own business.

>>139904844

We've been raised in a society that essentially deifies individual freedom.

I don't particularly favour placing the family unit about the individual either, but I have some understanding of why things were the way that they were.

Like the way things work today they have their pros and their cons and it doesn't work for everyone all the time.

When considering the recent civil unrest and the cess pit that is the internet which gives a very vocal platform to even the most insane individual I wonder which way of thinking is better for society as a whole.

>>139905447
and fuck your feelings. I will do whatever I want regardless of how much you sexists are triggered. I enjoy pissing you off.

>>139901401
>why do societal pressures exist
so it doesn't collapse

>>139904980
You're a fucking idiot but I'll make it very simple for you. If your rights come at the expense of others freedoms, it's not rights but oppression. The only reason we can't talk about it is because most men are to beta and insecure to even admit the state can get one up on them just because some slut wants it to.

>>139905522
But if I'm left in poverty or complete misery, how would what is better for "society" as a whole be better for me?

>>139905549
And I enjoy pissing off feminists and then fucking them because deep down that's all you really want.

Again, fuck your feelings whore.

>>139905650
If your beliefs about "society" comes at the expense of people's freedom it's oppression.

>>139905470
>It's the fault of the black MEN for leaving their women pregnant and behind.
Nigger, who fucks these men who leave their women pregnant and behind.
This is another problem with feminism, they'll push this bullshit about women being totally capable, just like men, yet in the same breath strip women of any and all responsibility for their actions.
No one forces you to bareback some loser, that's your own choice, own it or fuck off.

>>139905161

I've spoken with my father at length concerning his experience with the job market and unions as a young man.

In the 60s and 70s they were very strong.

Surplus labour, automation, and increased trading with nations that treat their people and lands like garbage have destroyed our labour markets.

There are more people, the skilled compete with machines, and none of it can compete with foreign indentured servants and slaves.

Unions compensate to a degree, but it isn't enough anymore.

>>139902066
what about gay people though

>>139905763
Nope I wouldn't give you an inch of my body.
How does it feel that I can say fuck your feelings to sexists? How does it feel I'm triggering you and using your own words against you? Man I'm proud to be a bitch :)

>>139905793
No it doesn't but you're an idiot so you'll think whatever you want. You basically just equated having thoughts with institutionalized oppression, you realize that right? I must be getting trolled at this point.

>>139905549
>I will do whatever I want regardless of how much you sexists are triggered
Shame that this wont be for long as percentage of conservative nonwhite populations growing steadily and will eventually be ready to seize power. So i hope you're ready to vibrant muslim custom of female circumcision because one day there wont be enough white men around to stop it.
/Pol/ is always right, all you can do is train your doublethink skills to hide from truth until it outright hits you in the face.

>>139905659

You ending up in poverty and misery is not an outcome unique to either system.

There are chances for good and bad outcomes for us regardless of what we choose to value.

>>139905884
It was enough for my family. We had it very good and I have no debt. Lots of vacations too. One income was also enough to support my family when I was very young. When two incomes came about my family income was in the upper middle class.

>>139904980
>Why should I logically support having fewer rights?

Because you can either chose to have fewer rights in a Reactionary white society, or you can no rights in an Islamic shithole.

> What TANGIBLE benefits would I get?

Not being killed for adultery, for one thing.

>>139905251

Of course you do; no one here actually believes that you aren't a man.

>>139905659

Because a functional common law society would ostracize and shame you for engaging in a behavior signfigantly harmful to the society and effectively cut you out from the benefits of living in a function society. This has the effect of incrementally suppressing your undesirable behavior.

>>139905932
Feels like you won't be feeling my cock rub up against your cervix while you lay and moan, unable to raise even a single whimper against your sexist overlords.

You're also probably a fatty anyway, or a damaged bitch like most feminists. Only good for a quick pump and dump before you move on to a less mouthy woman to settle down.

>>139906048
There's more of a chance of landing in poverty if you don't have control over your options. If we had the patriarchy again, I'd genuinely pass as a man.

>>139906018
Only 1 percent of America is Muslim. Go live in reality.

>>139906126

Then you were very fortunate. There will always be winners and losers.

>>139906133
I'm used to being an outcast so I don't feel shame from ostracism. Just anger towards the society and it makes me want to piss them off more.

>>139906375
Muslims aren't the only ones that practice female circumcision m8.

>>139906517
I'm just baffled by people who say "Things aren't still this way or this doesn't exist anymore". My experiences have been so different from most of my generation it's like they live in an opposite universe. Imagine having the same experiences as mine and then growing up to see the men of your generation angry and upset and wanting to take your rights away. Then seeing women of your generation going along with them. You'd be pissed at the new backlash of sexism too wouldn't you?

>>139906375
I know only that percentage of population that treats females in humane ways is 52% right now and dropping steadily. It's almost like females wont procreate with those who thinks of them as of proper human beings.

>>139906245

It could also be argued that if the labour market wasn't saturated, and a single person could afford to support a family, it would be more likely for you to find a partner to support you it would be more likely for you and your family to succeed than under the current system where both you and your partner must be successful in order for it to work.

If you don't want or care about families then I don't expect you to give a damn about any of this, but that was what people valued and why to some degree things were as they were.

>>139906959
and women would just allow themselves to be circumcised because? There are 2 party systems. They depend on the welfare of the liberal parties so they vote against their own social interests all the time. Not because they want to but because they'd have no freebies otherwise :D

>>139907182
The man would have control over the money and I wouldn't be free to spend it however I wanted.

>>139907028

Your anecdotal experience is a drop in the bucket for society as a whole. Many people have gotten a raw deal from the way things are and so they do not like the status quo.

Do you have great difficulty understanding the plights of others and how such experiences can shape their views?

>>139907051
And people of your ilk keep shouting white sharia and wanting to control me. How are you any different?

>>139907506
>white sharia
That's a meme, you retarded whore.

>>139907234
>women would just allow themselves to be circumcised because
Because they are incomparably dumber and weaker than men and will be subdued by force the moment enough men willing to do so emerge somewhere around. White men and their idealistic convictions are the only reason female are not treated like livestock right now, and females dont seem to like what white man did.

>>139901669
Psycology gets worse everyday. No jew ever deserves the oven more than (((Freud)))

>>139907446
I sort of "understand" but I don't empathize with it. I don't understand why many women of my generation side with men who want to take their rights away. It's mind boggling.

>>139901401
If you think that feminism gave women these freedoms you are retarded. The only reason women have any social or economic freedom is because men allow it. If men decided today to revoke all these freedoms there would be absolutely nothing women could do about it.
They only reason women can be "independent" is because men have built societies which makes this possible. White men have made life so easy that even the weakest and dumbest people can survive with ease.

>>139907389

Depending on the exact nature of the relationship the woman could have some or all of the control over the finances.

People run their family unit as they see fit.

Statistically in some areas women spend much more money than men. This would suggest that the men are handing over what they earn for the woman to spend.

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>give women rights
>western world goes to shit

Yep. About what our ancestors expected.

>>139907701

If you'd rather run a household and raise children than work 9-5 then you would likely not be fulfilled by the status quo unless your partner makes much more than the average wage.

>>139907593
The reason no one will treat me like livestock is I'd shoot a man who tried and feel no guilt about it. If white sharia happened, I'd have no reason not to protect myself at any cost.

My IQ and grades were very high. Imagine being a high IQ outcast female. Would you want your dreams taken away just because "society" says so?

>>139907701
They don't you fucking idiot. Women want feminism and chivalry. They want equal rights but they also want men to be "real men", alpha, perfect male model types. They want those men to be "traditional" and LARP with them while the woman keeps all of her rights. It's just LARPing.
I want to take all your rights away, but /pol/ doesn't and women these days don't either.

>>139902895
lol that won't change shit. Sure they will get whats coming to them, but no changes.

>>139907884
There are options not to work. It's called welfare or living with family. Again, taking away rights won't solve the issue.

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tl;dr

>only men voting = the entire household (husband, wife, even kids) got a say in who that unit voted for
>women otherwise vote for candidates who promise them the most gibs, rather than any meaningful promises, like every other useless ass minority
>similarly women will gladly go to university and rack up 100k in debt for an art degree that they can't use to get a job, causing a crisis
>they also shift the balance by encouraging weak faggots to invent shit like affirmative action, where those poor defenseless women are given preference because otherwise college would be all white men (who are smarter and have greater ambitions on average, but ignore all that)
>women don't meet basic military standards which is pretty important when you're carrying equipment across a battlefield, getting shot at and relying on how competent your squadmates are
>nevermind shit like fireman or police standards

Feminism encourages a portion of society to pursue things they aren't actually any good at and is a detriment to human life

>>139901401
>http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/08/31/jennie-hodgers-woman-bravely-defied-sexist-norms/
>some women
>>139903941
>I don't have the female instincts or the social instincts.
>As a high IQ female
>>139904844
>I don't have the social instinct.
>I don't feel connected to society either.
>>139905251
>I don't care about social approval though

Let me ask you this. Why do you want to give freedom to all women if you yourself admit that you are not normal. Don't you think pushing the average dumb emotional social oriented woman into the workplace damages the reputation of women? Don't you get upset at all about companies being forced to hire crappy women, which creates a stereotype?

I mean it's just weird to me. Why do you feminists fight for all women? How can you not see that most women are not that capable. That most women are air headed, emotional, whimsical with average IQs?

If I were an abnormal woman with a high IQ, I'd want a system where capable women can seperate themselves from the rest of the group, and be respected as capable women. But I would acknowledge and be fine with the majority of women (who are not as capable) remaining in their traditional roles.

Instead, you feminists demonize the traditional role and tell women they need to chase after the shadow's of men. You put a lot of stress and unhappiness telling normal women that they should reject what they instinctually want to do, and instead do something they will struggle at.

I can understand your contempt at a society that oppressed the women WITH potential, but by forcing open the gates in the way you did, you've unleashed a horde of dimwits and crazies on us all.

>>139908040

Or maybe the man and the woman should help each other and share with each other while still having rights? Men like you prove there's a need for feminism.

>>139906535

I'm sorry, sweetie. I said a functional common law society. Immagine if the government decided to ostracize you by not sending you a check every month or choosing not to compel people to tolerate your gender theory nonsense.

>I don't feel shame from ostracism

Just like the lawman won't feel shame from not really worrying what that gentleman with the hacksaw is planing on doing to the Town Whore.

>>139907708
>If you think that feminism gave women these freedoms you are retarded. The only reason women have any social or economic freedom is because men allow it. If men decided today to revoke all these freedoms there would be absolutely nothing women could do about it.

Basically this. Women and numales have then used that freedom and political power to tilt the playing field in their favor, giving them an illusion of independent effectiveness.

>>139907980
>Would you want your dreams taken away just because "society" says so?

Well, being a FUCKING WHITE MALE in the CURRENT YEAR, they were gutted well before I was born. Maybe they're gone.

But maybe you should look at the end of the path your dreams are leading you down.

PROTIP: You'll want to bring cat food.

>>139908210
Again, why should I be punished for other people's inability to handle freedom? A degree doesn't cost anywhere near 100k.

>>139908287
It doesn't work like that you stupid cum dumpster. Feminism has made it so western society pushed too far, and now young men are the ones hurting, not young women. There is no such thing as working together as 'equals', because men and women are not equal.
You have everything handed to you yet it's not good enough. I can't see your actual issue here. Men give women feminism and chivalry and they let you have easier lives than them in the comfiest most spoiled civilization to ever exist. You can disrespect men all you want and piss all over decency and yet that's still not good enough for you. It's just proof that women having the right to vote and having it as easy as they do leads to societal decay.

>>139904149
>Implying that was as common as you want to believe.

People, both women and men of the lower and merchant classes behaved just like people do today. Get married, have some kids, work hard and prep for your death and your kids future. Nothing new. Women were actively involved in household affairs daily, whether it be money, education, rearing etc.

You just want to believe you've always been a victim. News flash, everyone has always been a victim. For the first time in human history, the last 30-40 years or so, people in the United States and Western Europe don't live in horrible miserable conditions. And this entire generation is now confused as shit, thinking they were doing it by choice or "oppression". Nah, life just fucking sucked.

>>139908163

>taking away rights won't solve the issue

It could solve the issue, it would just have adverse effects which you believe would have a negative impact on you.

The people supporting that solution are willing to live those effects or do not see them as negative at all.

>>139908342
Actually I could do something about it. It's called civil unrest. It's called making noise. It's called blocking society until they give you what you want. I'd have all the time in the world to be a public nuisance. I'm single, have no kids, and I'd have no job. Nothing to lose.

>>139908412
>Again, why should I be punished for other people's inability to handle freedom?

Because not all women are as smart as you (though I doubt you're even half as smart as you claim, your arguments thus far as miserable, short-sighted and extremely weak.) Those stand-out women should be given the opportunity to achieve a level men can, the problem is women as a whole are encouraged to chase those things even if they're mediocre at it. Virtue signalling is a core facet of feminism; nobody cares if a woman can actually do it, they just want to stick them in those positions and go "look at all these women who 'achieved' the same stuff men could!"

Plus let's face it, the amount of women who strive for those standards and the amount of women who can maintain them (or compete with men) are not the same number. There's a reason every single elite fighting force in the United States military is pretty much 100% male.

>A degree doesn't cost anywhere near 100k.

It does when you market to women, who lack foresight or understanding and think that's a standard price tag for a degree in Theater.

>>139906535
Daddy issues, the post.

Grow up.

>>139907980
Unfortunately this remains in your fantasies because one need balls to fight like that. And you know i'm right (although you arent even a really female because real one argues by throwing genitalia-related at the opponent the moment he says something female dont like and not by maintaining relatively decent level of discussion).
>high IQ
Apparently not high enough to understand basic social dynamics and think above own urges for free gibs.
>outcast female
Female cannot be outcast, i hope i dont need to explain why.

>>139902269
People who spend all their emotional energy managing their image because they've already despaired of managing their reality are never good at nurturing. Want to destroy a society? Teach shallowness to its women. Tell them to live in the moment and value spontaneity.

>>139908508
If life sucked it showed the old system didn't work

>>139908790
>genitalia-related slurs

>>139904297
Yes

>>139908790
If a female can't be an outcast what do you call the women that were seen as witches and burned ? Or the women ostracized for being independent?

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>>139908683

I'm sorry, causing public unrest is against the rules of this community.

>>139908683
Cry baby, the post.

God you sound like a retarded, insufferable cunt. Just a whiny, possibly fat, mediocre looking bitch who can't just do right by herself so she blames everyone around her and bitches non stop.

I don't even care anymore. Bring the Muslims, brings the Africans, the Salvadorians. I'll be gone, and civilization will grind to a fucking halt, being led by Chinese slavers, but at least the most retarded of us (A.K.A. you) will live through Hell on earth.

>>139904844
Divorce

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>>139908683
>Actually I could do something about it. It's called civil unrest. It's called making noise. It's called blocking society until they give you what you want.
>making a fuss because you personally don't get what you want, even if it's better for overall society

You're on the wrong board. A lot of us are minorities who think a white ethnostate is best for America, even if we don't get to enjoy it.

>>139908868
No system works. Get out of your SJ class and go to the library, read some history. In fact, just go to /lit/ and ask them for red pilled books about history and philosophy. There never was, nor will there ever be, a system of governing, in which everyone gets what they want. And humanity has bled for millenia to get to this point where you get to sit in front of a computer bitching about having it too good.

>>139909247
If her financial options are taken away that's out of the picture.

>>139909302
I've read history. From reading history I've seen the ugly side of human nature and how men oppressed women throughout the ages.

>>139907980
Let's do a quick thought experiment in what Equality means to you, vs. what it means to many posters on /pol/.

>The reason no one will treat me like livestock is I'd shoot a man who tried and feel no guilt about it.
The reason no one will treat me like livestock is I'd shoot a woman who tried and feel no guilt about it.

>My IQ and grades were very high. Imagine being a high IQ outcast female.
My IQ and grades were very high. Imagine being a high IQ outcast male.

> Would you want your dreams taken away just because "society" says so?
Would you want your dreams taken away just because "society" says so?

When you turn your words against yourself, what do you see? Do you see the same answers, or not? Do you still justify your answers, or not? Are you going to argue for inequality (by not applying the same standard, which would be de facto the minimum requirement), or not?

P.S. you do realize that about 90% of the postings on /pol/ are just to get a rise out of people, correct?

>>139909348
If you feel so strongly about this, how about you try and help the women in the world who are actually suffering? You won't. Because you are a coward.
You are an entitled loser, and big, fat, coward.

You pick at the societies and peoples that give you all the opportunities not afforded to women in vast swaths of the world because it's easy.

>>139905470
>...BLACK men...
Fixed 4 u

>>139901401
>Men took away their options
Strawman argument that the patriarchy exists
Women simply did not have the strength to perform work that was required outside the home, when these conventions were made.
If they were not producing children or raising them, they were putting the tribe in danger by being overrun by superior numbers and killed.
So why not talk about the female privilege of never having to risk life and limb for the tribe?

>>139909479
My most recent post will clarify this for you. If you have a problem, go do something for those oppressed and stop complaining about the societies where you are no longer oppressed.

>>139909531

The people here ADMIT they want to take away the rights and opportunities I already have. If they admit to this why shouldn't I be hostile?

I'm also against FGM and other atrocities against women around the world

>>139907619
(((Freud))) intentionally reversed the real condition. A gentile woman set it straight.

>>139909479
>From reading history I've seen the ugly side of human nature and how men oppressed women throughout the ages

In what way? In ye olde ages, women and men both worked the fields because one person isn't going to be able to handle that shit. The nobility made it a trend to treat women as dainty property, and there's a lot of evidence women were initially happy with that because it meant not going to war, not having to handle finances or daily issues, getting to sit inside gossiping all day, etc.

>>139909720
because the only thing you are angry at is you want a white baby, and no one is holding you down and forcing their cock into you. the kike media has fucked up your perception and judgment with their mind control, so you don't have a fucking clue what you want

>>139909295
Hey, just try to integrate and people will stop caring. This whole white ethnostate nonsense is just because the status quo includes a lot of money dropped on people who waste it. It's like, people are saying, "if every other option has been made into a sacred cow and kicking the minorities out is the only way to make them stop wasting massive amounts of resources that could be put to better use, kicking them all out is what we should do." It's not like there are no other policies that might turn out a good result.
In for a lamb, in for a ram. If we're going to be tarred as violent bigots for trying to cut welfare, we might as well BE violent bigots and cut welfare ALL THE WAY by kicking the recipients out of the country entirely. Bigger reward, same punishment. That's what happens when one side of the political aisle declares the other side irredeemably motivated by evil.

>>139904645
>used to have no money.
Bullshit, women spend much much more of a family income than a husband. Idgaf if he's making it, It's who's spending it that has the control

>>139909720
>The people here
Which people? Which groups? Or is everyone on /pol/ in complete agreement?

>If they admit to this why shouldn't I be hostile?
If you want to take away the (supposed) rights of the people that you think are taking yours...pot...kettle...

There is nothing more "sexist" than feminism. It is not about equality, otherwise it would be called something else. Feminism is strictly a claim that female Marxist ideology is superior to traditional family based existence. It also claimed that emphasizing female characteristics in males would result in a more peaceful world. The last seventy years has proven this not o be the case. Feminism is cancer, and will cause every society that embraces it to collapse.

>>139907619
unhappy with enslavement to corrupt kike values? you have a mental illness goy. It's okay though, after twenty years of listening to my nonsense for $200 an hour, you might feel a little better

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>>139901401
To quote a great American poet from the golden age of feminism.
Pimps up; Hoes down.
If that bitch can't swim;
She bound to drizzown.

-- dis nigga

>>139910025
and If I'm going to be punished for being "evil" because I want to have a career I might as well be "evil". Same logic.

>>139910271
Gross

>>139910025
an ethno state would work out fine, a white supremecist state would work out just fine, the whites would be happy, the shitskins would be happy. the only requirement for universal happiness is to remove the kikes

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>>139910336
Fuck it's a femminazie

>>139909295
Do you respect white men? Do you think we should have a new age of men? Do you agree that women shouldn't have the right to vote? If yes to these then you're welcome.

>>139907234
>and women would just allow themselves to be circumcised because?
Question, if the ruling ideology said that women should be circumcised at birth, do you believe the majority of these men would disagree?
How do you think women would stop these men from circumcising them at birth?

>>139910090
I don't see this imaginary societal collapse. If my rights are taken away, why shouldn't I be a public nuisance?

>>139909013
>seen as witches and burned
This is question of another sphere entirely and more related to human fanaticism and brainwashing that any sort of gender relations.
>women ostracized for being independent
Ones who harm both themselves and society. I never saw "independent" woman that was a happy and fulfilled being, but so much of frustrated hags who turn to some shit like fringe politics where they become tools of jude, and generally annoy people. Childless man can end unhappy or angry about being childless, but still find purpose and fulfill himself in life (many of the greatest minds in history left no offspring), but childless woman is always reduced to something so fucking bad that you just want to put it out of its misery.
Not to mention that each wasted reproductive capability is one more step towards nonwhite world domination and their culturally rich customs mentioned earlier.

>>139910570
By shooting them
More women should get military style training so they can fight men trying to take their rights away.

>>139907747
>the book 'Sex and Culture' (1920s?) already showed what would happen to society if women are given any rights
>still pass the 19th amendment
We also don't let most children work either not because of 'childism' but because most children like most women are incapable of handling a job or money efficiently

>before feminism
>men were men
>women were women
>after feminism
>women try their hardest to be men
What do you think happens to all the guys who want women, then? Fuck your individualist bullshit, society is bigger than both of us, now get back in the kitchen you dumb bint

>>139910626
What if the woman is good at being a doctor a scientist? How is it wasted potential when you'd never say that about a man who was a single doctor or scientist.

>>139901401
You're confusing correlation with causation here. Please stop.

>>139910796
>By shooting them
Well, men are better shots, more tactically sound, stronger, and more able to carry themselves in a survival situation, so if it came to women defending themselves by taking up arms, the men would also take up arms in retaliation, and I think we both know who would come out on top in armed conflict.

>>139910925
I'll destroy the entire kitchen then. No reason not to :)

Why should I care about your fee fees if you don't care about mine?

>>139910988
It's better to be dead than to be a slave

>>139910851
Where do you base this on? Evopsych bullshit where I supposedly have to be this way or that way because evolution says so?

>>139910796
This wont do shit. Women cant fight, their biology is inherently unfit for that, if they could, shape of human society would have bent completely different. Thing that prevent such outcomes instead called "white man" and again, females dont seem to want it around.

>>139910796
>More women should get military style training so they can fight men trying to take their rights away.
More men should get military style training so they can fight women trying to take their rights away.

You keep fighting a mirror image of yourself. Don't you get it? Don't you understand that the "guys" for the most part just want to get on with life? That they are tired of being yelled at because they were born that way (not by choice)? If there is guilt by birth then you're advocating for it.

Time and time again I've pointed out how your own arguments can be easily mirrored by the men replying to you...you threaten them with violent, even lethal, force. And you expect them not to respond in like kind? Do you really believe that they willingly will lie down without a fight?

Here's an easier answer for you; the one you refuse to believe:

Women can certainly do many things that men do. But does it make them happy? And do you really, really need to shit all over men to obtain them? Or do you already have those rights, and should simply go and enjoy them, instead of yelling and people for something you already have?

For someone High I.Q., you have consistently dodged all of the hard questions, and from what I can read so far, have given canned responses. Let's slow the discussion down, tone it down, and I think you will see some nifty magic happen when you can discuss things in a civil way.

>>139901401
>Why did men decide

Men didn't decide anything. Women need to earn all of these things in life. Just as we did.

>>139901401
Threads should be deleted if they use a news site without using archive to deter this kind of shit.

>>139911095
If you don't care about others or society then why don't you go and live in the woods independent of the state?
You can be as strong and independent as you want.
>>139911160
If your idea of "slavery" is being a mother then yea, you would be better off dead.
White women man, absolutely hilarious.

>>139911095
Society will literally fall you ignorant whore. If you refuse to fulfill your biological duty, all choice will be taken from you until such time as we have inorganic wombs to make use of, at which point you will most likely be euthanized outright on birth because historic records show that having women anywhere near your society is just an exercise in babysitting less evolved life forms.

>>139910933
Maybe feminism should encourage women to get practical degrees instead of social justice nonsense
We both know that wont happen tho
Women always do whats easiest, thats why they didnt want to leave the home for 30,000
But theyre also easily tricked, like the way feminism tricked them into working by telling them they couldnt
If even an "intelligent" woman like you doesnt get this, women dont have any chance at running their own lives or anything else

>>139901401
I have no problem with males and females being treated equally, as individuals. However, we all know this is not what happens. Women will never do as well as men, never produce as much as men, and hence they will earn less than men as a collective group. What happens next, due to feminism, is complaining about a "wage gap," which forces employers to pay women more for the same level of production in order to close this so called gap.

Feminists do not want men and women to be treated equally, because under equal treatment, women, as a collective group, cannot compete. It's the same type of reasoning for why we have separate male and female sports events. Females are just worse at it, on average, and hence the top females cannot compete with the top males.

In summary, what I object to about feminism, is the fact that they wish to have all the rights that men have, with none of the responsibilities. They wish to be treated with superiority, and they wish to be paid more for the same amount of work. You can fuck right off.

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>>139901401
You're a fucking retard if You think a man before 1880 could have done something freely. No one took away nothing, because there was nothing if not ground, seeds and war even for man.

How can a person with a brain fall in such a shitty and clearly fake interpretation of history?

Retard.

>>139911283
Threatening to take my rights away is a hostile action in itself. The talk about happiness is concern trolling.

>>139908243
Still waiting for a reply here. I thought this was a serious thread and not just "butthurt feminist makes men butthurt who make her butthurt who makes them butthurt who makes her butthurt"

>>139911469
Post modernism is a cancer, through and through.

>>139902552
are you fucking retarded or something? you need good mothers to raise good sons to change the world. how fucking stupid do you need to be to turn that into vagina envy? this is called projection faggot, just because you cant imagine a life where someone is content with being themselves doesn't mean everyone else is incapable of doing so.

>>139911341
Because I'll be arrested for living out in the woods. I don't care about complete independence. I care about freedom. I look forward to getting to your children's generation. They will have not faced things the same things my generation did so they will be more likely to listen to me.

>>139911465
Is a woman who makes 100k stupid for working? I don't think so.

>>139911687
>I look forward to getting to your children's generation. They will have not faced things the same things my generation did so they will be more likely to listen to me
Kek, good luck with that, feminism is at best a joke and at worst an excuse to beat the shit out of women who piss you off amongst black people.

>>139911780
>money=success
typical whore

>>139910933
No such thing, except some extremely rare exceptions that humanity sometimes produces. But if you break entire system because of these few exceptions and start attempts to make men out of women en masse, you will cripple all levels of society so grievously that no such exception will save you.

>>139911935
Then what should exceptions do? Simply accept their intelligence is going to waste?

>>139911508
>Threatening to take my rights away is a hostile action in itself.
And yet you just advocated the same for men. You're calling yourself out by your own argument.

For that matter, do you think men are happy right now? Have you stopped to ask, for a moment, why you are seeing what you perceive to be vitrol? Why are they unhappy, if they haven't lost any rights? I suppose you will argue that women gaining rights is the cause of the unhappiness...but if you go back and tune out the bile, filter out all the crap, and look closely, you see other issues brought to the table but not discussed.

At this point, until you de-escalate yourself, you will continue to see escalation - because you're effectively creating it. It's like a cat that sees its own reflection in a mirror, arches its back, and then proceeds to go nuts because the image does the same.

You're creating your own issues, you refuse to refute the arguments given to you, you have escalated the verbiage (go back and look, you'll see that I am quoting you directly and simply swapping male for female)...stop...take a deep breath...think...go back...relax...let your rational mind process this, filtering out the shitposts, the bait, and all of the other garbage.

>>139911806
Your daughters will hate fathers like you. If you beat your daughters for their ambition they will see you as the enemy. My goal is to turn daughters against their sexist fathers.

>>139912048
>not using said intelligence to raise infinitely more capable children, building on the tradition of your ancestors
typical whore

>>139912147
Nah, your goal is empowering Shaniqua to step on Stacy in 20 years, you're not even in control of what you're swinging around to break down the walls of society.
typical whore

>>139911933
Let her believe in her own bullshit. I have met "feminists" like her in real life and once they find a guy they really like(regardless of how much a piece of shit the guy is) they end up buying him all kinds of gifts only for him to run off for some other girl that actually respects herself. Then the feminist goes crying onto the internet about muh patriarchy.

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>>139912048
oh shit we have an engaged feminist?

ok ok ok ok ok....why should i care? I stopped caring about anything feminists have to say like 5 years ago, and my life hasn't been better. Can you explain this?

>>139912147
So you admit that your goal is to destroy the black family?
Thanks for telling something I already know.

>>139912147
do you plan on having a family?

how old are you?

straight or lesbian?

>>139911780
She is if she cant have children from wasting her prime years paying taxes that go to welfare
Passing on your genes is one of the few measures of success that nature recognizes

>>139912103
They're unhappy because they don't have total control like a dictator. They get upset over being 40% of the college spaces yet expect women to be OK with being 0 percent.

>>139912048
There are countless useful thing woman can do while still being a woman and not trying to become a man. Every man will cherish such woman. And first thing to do for any intelligence that dont want to go to waste is to think about how this intelligence can better contribute to building of something good. While all you talk about is destruction.

>>139912312
Don't you get it? We're memeing right now. This isn't some triggered bitch, it's some sweaty /pol/ack dribbling halfhearted arguments that are a step above the norm so we all have practice with how to shut these cunts down.
>>139912493
Like this, (((she))) is literally setting up the statistic that, OOPS, women's happiness has been plummeting since the introduction of "equality". People fuck to make better kids, ideas have to get a little more esoteric than that.

>>139902552
A mother and a baby boy. The imagery is to show the nurturing mother promoting the womans role as a care giver, and the young boy representing the future of society that we must protect. If both male and female are depicted in your religions symbolism, you help create a welcoming enviroment to both

>>139912456
a woman can't make 100k and have kids at the same time? you live in a delusion

>>139912313
>oh shit we have an engaged feminist?
I give 90% that this is a man - woman capable of decently arguing is a fucking rare, statistical error-level rare.

>>139912583
Why should only a man get to have autonomy over his life? Why should only a man get to follow his dreams? Your gender roles place women in servile roles and men in doing everything fun or exciting

>>139912674
Not effectively and you know it.

>give up time for child
>less profit
>force man to watch child
>lose interest in man
>hire baby sitter
>child loses out
It's lose:lose, either watch the kid or focus on your work, you're just being a soulless cunt any other way.

>>139912493
both men and women will be unhappy until they can work together.

People were much happier on average in the 50s,and yes housewives are much happier on average than 40 year old feminists with no kids and a dried up vag. Why do you think that is?

>>139912674
No, you can't "have it all" you stupid bitch. A lot of feminist women and even just normal women are very angry because they can't "have it all", yet instead of realizing they were lied to, they just take all of their anger out on young men who play video games and keep to themselves.

>>139911683
That's the kind of dismissive mantrum that the proponents of Womb Envy theory are talking about. Thank you.

>>139912646
You do need a welcoming environment for both. However, that is only found when the primacy of the female is recognized.

>>139912312
look look, the second boss has entered the game. is anyone elses' autism strong enough to take on the next tier of fallacy?
>>139912874

>>139912775
what do you see men doing thats fun or exciting?

personally as a man id rather sit at home, eat chicken wings and play skyrim. But if I had a girlfriend I would go to work to make money to make her happy.

>>139912839
Adolescents don't need babysitters. You also don't know how all female attraction works. People need money for college to make a good living. Making sure your kids don't have debt is important.

>>139912674
Its very unlikely
Most female ceos and administrators are literally affirmative action hires for good feels and are usually lesbians because most straight women are vapid whores who cant hold a job except they get a pass for having a vagina

>>139912763
I can't imagine a ball of hormones and confirmation bias known as biological female to hold a long-term adversarial argument on /pol/ without having been involved in a few gangbangs.

This isn't sexist, it's a metaphor. Statistically rare indeed.

>>139912983
You're delusional if you think that's what you do as a stay at home mom. It's about not having a man control you, not necessarily about liking every job.

>>139901401
>womb envy
>penis envy
All this mental gymnastics simply to ruin the world. Just nuke the entire place and be done with it.

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>>139901401
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>>139901669

>Wow

>>139908683
why do you insist on making your mental issues others problem?

>>139901401

probably the same reason they gave you legal immunity for criminal actions and instead prosecuted your husbands and fathers. women have a role to fill in society just like men.

let me ask you something. when was the last time you dated a homeless man?

>>139913108
There are union jobs that make this amount of money especially if someone works lots of overtime to get it. You don't even have to be a CEO.

>>139913194
thats not at all what I think a stay at home mom does. Its a hard days work managing the kids, cooking meals, and organizing the paper work assisting her man at her job. Also you didnt answer my question as what do you think men get to do that is so fun and exciting that women cant??

>>139912493
le sigh

>They're unhappy because they don't have total control like a dictator.
You're unhappy because you don't have total control like a dictator.

This is probably the last time I'll toss this out here. Go back and read:

>>139912103
>>139911283
>>139909499

Each and every time, I have taken your words, flipped positions, and posed the same statements or questions as a thought experiment on what equality should be. In other words I HAVE MERELY HAD YOU ARGUE YOUR POINTS AGAINST YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS.

You argue (loosely) that women should be afforded rights. At the moment, I have to make an assumption you are arguing for the existing "equality of rights" that are present in the United States. However...you are also arguing for inequality, by attacking men as a whole group directly...

You are literally arguing against yourself. If you can't detect the contradiction in your own argument, how do you expect others to take your argument seriously?

Resolve the contradictions, and you will have a stable, logical basis to make counter-arguments that could actually be discussed in a civil manner.

Instead, the continued escalation of your verbiage in the form of perceived violence is simply attracting a like response, to which you reply in more of, which leads to even more responses...over and over, in a feedback loop that, if you actually took the time to set your emotions aside and use that High I.Q. you claimed, you could easily disengage from, and possibly even change other people's opinions.

>>139913271
Because I'd have nothing better to do and it would be the only way I'd get rights. Even if I didn't from my actions at least I'd piss off and agitate the society that took them away.

>>139913463
> at least I'd piss off and agitate the society that took them away.
This is why you disregard feminist feelings, fellas.

>>139913194
Most women cant control themselves enough to not be totally shitty people
Maybe they should hand over some control to men who historically have accomplished most things

>>139913396
I just want to say thank you. I know this is 4chan and it might be cringey to do this, but you are a voice we need and I've never been able to state it the way you have.
You perfectly make it clear that feminists are harming men by mistreating them in the same ways that feminists claim women are mistreated. It's like some sick joke. And they're women in western society so of course everyone is going to take their side and think men are oppressing women.

>>139913324
Being a doctor is exciting. Men once took away the rights of women to be doctors and prosecuted women who practiced medicine without a license.

>>139913396
The trick is to not give a shit. Leftists only respect le edgy nihilism. Don't care so much about your argument, just make a snide little *ahem* and point out God's bare truth to all the onlookers. Only makes the grandstanding idiots look bigger and dumber while snaking a win out from underneath them. Don't think like a strong lion trying to scare the predator away, imagine yourself as the rat, stealing crumbs out from the lion's den while he roars. This is how leftists see themselves.

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>>139913604
That was actually jews.

>>139913545
Sexist logic
Let's take women's right to go to universities and have careers

Now let's blame women for not accomplishing as much as males.

Nevermind so many women used male names on their own inventions or books.

>>139903730

What is women's SMV?

How many women have you met that were disfigured beyond ever becoming attractive? Most non-attractive women are like so due to poor diet and hygiene, just like most ugly men have awful diet and hygiene.

A smart woman would keep being smart, bathe, and then get an 11/10 husband since she already outclasses every other female. How is this hard to comprehend?

>>139913314
Oh well then if its a union job shes definitely an affirmative action hire as shes also 350lbs and black and is just another useless ass at a desk
Nice job sidestepping my points

>>139913738
women accomplish a lot, they have a very important job because without women there would literally be no generation. They are responsible for organizing and unifying their families and strengthening them.

You are obsessed with male or female control, but a truly great relationship is about trust between a man and a woman who decide things together and share responsibility as a team.

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>>139902552
kek, these are some high-tier baits

>>139901401
>push women into ostracism and poverty if they decided to be single or work
lol

>>139912775
Because is is being proven on practice right now that women given autonomy inflict incomparably more harm (not only to society but to themselves) than they do good. Welfare-leeching coalburner slag with 3 little untermensch mongrels from different fathers, fat feminist with abhorrent hairdo calling for the end of system that gave her all she has, or frustrated and borderline suicidal "sucessful" woman in her 40s understanding that all her shekels she is so proud of earning will not restore her fertility and allow her to have children her instincts so strongly demand of her - that is your common example of woman given autonomy. That was a fucking cruel thing to do.

>>139913463
suck. my. dick.

>>139913738
They can have all that, they already do, but you and people who think like you need to admit that women and men arent equal and that men will always invent and do more things than women regardless of education or income
To admit anything less is a lie as history has proven this all

>>139914022
That's concern trolling. I'm happy with my freedom. I'm angry at the backlash. I was never told by my parents to just follow my dreams either. Just to go for what was practical and they said someone should stay home when the kids are small. They were very generous to me too. So here I am single and loving it. I'm a Millennial who was raised in conditions people think no longer existed after the 60s or 70s. So it's very baffling to me to see all this anger and rage. I was never put on ADHD meds, never barred from playing with toy guns, allowed to bike all over the place as a kid alone. The upbringing people say they had is foreign to me.

>>139901401
Women never earned it. They still haven't. It was given to them and will be taken away again as soon as they fuck it up just a little bit more. Our survival depends on it.

>>139914217
Again, men decided to bar women from most jobs and universities. Is this true or not true?

>>139914433
so do you think being a feminist is a way for you to get attention because you never got that from your parents?

>>139914440
My survival depends on the right to have a good income. I don't think I should be forced into rape to survive.

>>139914510
>>139914433
now for your final lesson, kids, this here is called "pilpul". It's very close to the muslim taquiya in that it is an active practice of hiding behind a disingenuous argument, but jews utilize it exclusively to muddy the waters in small step concessions that leave you painted into a corner.

Reject this entirely, and reframe the conversation back within the objective truth.

>>139914510
Women have no place in most jobs and universities, this is true. End of discussion, and I will not play your word games on the matter any longer.

>>139914433
also how old are you? as you age you will become less happy with your freedom. I assume youre in your 20s

>>139914670
If your survival means trying to destroy my family and families like it, then you do not deserve to survive.

>>139907619
Freud was just a starting point, which is necessary.

For some reason retards keep referencing his shit (probably because it's taught first in Psychology) as if it's still relevant even though most of it has long since been disproved / more nuanced stuff has replaced it.

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>>139913463
>Because I'd have nothing better to do
Congrats on (once again) arguing against yourself - this time by demeaning your own argument.

When are you going to stop yelling in the mirror? When are going to see that the hurt is not one-sided? When are you going to see that everyone - woman or man - has a stake in this?

I don't hate you, and the sad part is you'll still hate me, by virtue of being born. I actually pity you. You have my pity because you will most likely harm others, and yourself, for a long, long time, until you realize you are living on a premise that is based on sand. Your logic is the snake that feeds on its own tail, and eventually, will implode by virtue of never letting go of itself. How many years will you waste, how many opportunities will you loose, and more importantly, how much of an authentic life will you be willing to give up, just so you can pursue a logical fallacy? What time has been wasted, what efforts have been spent, and for what? What was gained, when you argue to obtain what you already have? What problems were solved when they were already solved?

There is no love in your heart. And here is the real shocker, the truth that you will never accept, ever: for all of the shit that /pol/ posts, for all of the disagreements, for all of the negatives you perceive, there is love. There is respect. There is an understanding of what makes us human, and what trade-offs we are all willing to give individually, so that we can have a better life. And buried in there is a love that you cannot understand, because you cannot perceive it at all. And because you can't perceive it, I almost feel sorry for you, because you are missing the one thing that would end all of the venom being posted back and forth:

A love of yourself.

I'm sure you won't read through all of this - it's pretty clear that you are skimming and knee-jerk replying to posts - but I'm leaving this here because it has to be said.

>>139914521
What attention I never got? Explain.

>>139914670
>I don't think I should be forced into rape to survive.
I don't think I should be forced into raping myself to survive through body destroying work, but I am physically capable of doing it, so I do as is my duty. Likewise it is yours to bear children. This is the dichotomy of male and female.

everyone here is going about it the wrong way.

Society works best when men and women work together. Men go to work, women stay home and raise the children. Both are equally important and neither are more fun or enjoyable than the other.

>>139914740
Then I have no choice but to be a lawbreaker in your society. You leave me no choice. Rest assured, even in the third world I will turn your daughters against sexist pig fathers like you.

>>139914934
>You leave me no choice.
The choice is for you to submit or to be ejected from this society. Choose it, and in a just society it will be respected. In both events. Death is your choice, and yours alone.

>>139914897
That leaves the woman with no autonomy because she doesn't have control over the income.

>>139914789
from your parents

>>139914934
Don't worry about /pol/, femanon. They are just the last gasps of a dying, patriarchal society.

>>139915009
If MEN were forced to submit would you be OK with that? I didn't think so

>>139901401
female nature is intrinsically destructive to civilization. Most of the problems we face in society today are of a direct result of women's unearned rights. No rights without responsibility

>>139915174
I hope so. I think it will get worse in the next 30 years though. I'll have to survive through then. Hopefully I can turn their daughters against their parents. The outliers of my generation who don't want to be forced into the new patriarchy are angry and can and will turn their children against them.

>>139915059
in a relationship you must depend on each other, its a team effort. The male is left without autonomy either.

Do you know how to work on something as a team? no person has autonomy, its a group project. You have to trust your partner, thats just a part of life.

>>139915325
Then I can say no responsibility without rights. If I had no rights I'd do nothing but live a hedonistic lifestyle.

>>139915189
We are, day by day. I don't steal, I don't rape, I don't threaten, and I don't kill. These are the things that make me a man, and every day I stow these in check to provide for you the kind of society where you are allowed these frivolous ideas. I do so without bitching because I like iPhones more than I like rape, but by all means, I'm willing to trade back if you are.

>>139915343
>Hopefully I can turn their daughters against their parents
What an evil cunt.
>the new patriarchy
It's not real. There is no new patriarchy or current patriarchy. Feminists are just spoiled and autistic. That's all.

>>139915365
Just curious but were you in daycare when you were young? I'm trying to figure out why my generation is so conformist and why so group oriented compared to individual oriented.

>>139915189
Men are biologically more apt for leadership than females. This has been proven time and time again.

>>139915343
>daughters against their parents
You sound like an Islamic extremist, sister


Did you attend a gender studies college class?

>>139915494
Abelist too. Not shocked. Many people here are for ableism and eugenics.

>>139915589
i am 26, i think youre assuming im older?

anyways, Stefan Molyneux put this beautifully. The ability for children to play without adult supervision is a very important development step. This means that a child is in an environment where they must think for themselves, and also deal, barter, or negotiate with other people and crying or yelling to them wont work like it does to their parents. They learn positive social skills that are critical for a happy and healthy child. I was not in day care when I was young my mom stayed at home because she loved her children :)

reminder a vote for women's rights is a vote for genocide.

>>139901401

Thank you for this post.

>>139915793
Give me a break you disgusting cum dumpster. As if feminists don't bully guys the slightest imperfections. You've had years and years of having an entire internet subculture where you bully autistic young men. And you get away with it because western society allows you to be evil cunts with no consequences.
I hope you get brain cancer.

>>139915343
Always remember the saying "never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake". Let them sperg. Women are already set to drastically turn the wage gap the other direction. It's only a matter of realizing that there are options aside from the patriarchal plantation.

>>139915827
If negotiating with the other children gives you a worse deal there's no point in doing it. I negotiate with people when I have something to gain, not when I have something to lose.

>>139916077
and you want to take autistic women's economic options away. They might be good at science or programming but you'd take that away from them and force them into abusive relationships or into female jobs that require far more social skills. You'd do the same to women with Schizoid personality disorder too.

>>139911385
You're arguing with a self-centered set of holes my friend. She doesn't care about anything but herself and has decided that her feminazi dream is what she wants and will tear down everything around her if she doesn't get it. Women are childish like that, if given the choice they'll wreck everything rather than compromise and sacrifice.

>>139916375
Do any of your girlfriends or wives know you think of them as inferior? If so why do they degrade themselves by having sex with you?

>>139901401
At this point, you have managed to successfully make a laughingstock of yourself. You've argued against yourself repeatedly, you've failed to address even the most basic questions, your logic isn't present at all, and it's pretty clear from some of your postings that you have borderline sociopathic tendencies.

No wonder you are wanting to fight men - you can only perceive them to be a threat.
You're not a feminist at all, and no amount of piss and vinegar on your part will change that.

At this point, this is my last posting in this forsaken thread. Irrationality and mental instability will prevent any possible civil discourse from occurring; my time can be better used elsewhere.

>>139916151
I dont think you understand what Im saying. The difference in generations is the development of doing activities voluntarily rather than your parents forcing you to do sports or clubs etc. Older generations went outside and made a voluntary effort to play with each other, while new generations not only are they not allowed to go outside because of "pedophiles/kidnappings everywhere" but their parents helicopter over them and protect them too closely for them to develop these skills that happen on their own. There was an experiment where they took rats and monkeys and the only social interactions they had were everything but play. Then when they grow up and they are put in a play environment, they freeze. They are emotionally crippled in adulthood and never developed the part of their brain for this. This is why most kids today are similar, this is the part of the brain that develops empathy or understanding another persons point of view. So not only can relationships not work together but politically people yell at each other and cant understand each other because these people are emotionally crippled.

as what youre saying, of course if you get a worse deal then walk away, simple.

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>>139916151
>Being this retarded.

>>139908243
This. Some women are just meant to be whores, some are meant to be moms, some are meant to be le stronk inbegenbent wymin.
Feminists want to take away all those options and make all of them exactly the same. Sounds a lot like another toxic ideology we all know too well, doesn't it?

>>139916375
Nyet, I'm not arguing for any reason at all other than I like sharpening my knives. If they can troll an argument like mine back into the dirt, it deserved it. If they don't even try, I know I'm winning. In a real debate, that's when the senseless ad hominem comes out to play, which is hard to deal with but is invariably the sign that you turned the tide. If they can't even use a line of pozzed out post modernist logic to get out of it, they've accepted on some level, even if it's just a tiny one, that you're correct. Keep doing that and they'll be yours in 3 weeks unless you get shot for your effort.

>>139916504
My ex would call me a horrible sexist pig all the goddamn time, then come crawling to me for sex because I abused her pussy (and oftentimes her) the way she needed in order to get off.

Also I'm flattered you think I'm sexually desirable to maintain more than one woman at a time, but honestly I don't have the capacity to deal with bullshit to keep more than one.

>>139916648
I went outside and voluntarily played with neighborhood kids in my childhood and was often out for hours when I was 6. This wasn't an issue until 24/hour news becoming popular made people paranoid. It became so bad some people would be stricter in adolescence on their own kids than they were in childhood.

>>139916849
They have the freedom to take different paths. Anti-feminists want to take the existing freedom away.

>>139916346
I don't discriminate. Women shouldn't have rights. That's it, that's all.

>>139916868
If I was married to a man like you my number one goal would be to "divorce rape" you and take half your income :D

>>139901401
Women having options IS feminism.
They're nothing more but adults with the minds of 14 year olds, thats why they get along with the young so well.

Women are merely breeding cows meant to perpetuate the species.

>>139915174
Kek, this delusion.
The only people who don't accept a "patriarchal society" are white societies, and rest assured, with people like you around they won't last much longer.

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>>139917810
And your societies are so good with the AIDS going around and the poverty?

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>>139917777
Fucking hell, Vlad, way to pull out the digits to prove a point.

>>139917777
If you call it being a breeding cow why would I want to do that? Explain

>>139917955
Considering we'll survive and you won't, yea, that's about as objectively good as you can get.
If a society can't be sustained at its current rate, it is objectively shit, this includes most of Africa. The barebones minimum of a society is for people to breed with one another, without that you have no society because you have no people.
Feminism, like atheism, is a dying ideology, and since feminists have allied themselves with Islam, they've alienated even many white egalitarians.

>>139917229
its gotten so bad, listen to a thread on halloween this year about what peoples nights were like. its insane how bad its gotten, the kids walk to each house and the parents are just driving behind them watching them the whole time, the children never learn to be independent and it mentally cripples them in adulthood. Halloween is coming up in a month or two the stories always depress me from when i was growing up. But ill be in a thread hearing peoples halloween stories this year anyways.

To get back to what were talking about, do you ever see yourself possibly having a child in the future? and if you do, I assume you want them to be happy and succeed in life? If so its best to have a stable relationship.

In a relationship, you can either have two parents work part time jobs and take turns taking care of the kids, both parents can be tired and miserable, or they can work as a team, the dad can go out and make money while the mother stays home and assists him, raises the kids, takes care of the house. In this way they can not only make more money, but have more time left over. Ive learned things are always easier when you work as a team, and if everyone in the team wants the same job, it doesnt work. The man and the woman are biologically designed to have different roles in raising the children, like specialization for an economy. You cant have doctors try to be lawyers and lawyers try to be doctors, they are both studied and practiced to be good at what they built themselves to be good at.

Feminism has been a government/jewish program to get massive amounts of more tax money. This is because the government can not tax motherhood. So what they do, they can now tax the mother on her job, and they also tax the daycare she sends her kids to. Easy way to keep people in poverty and force them to pay 3 times as many taxes.

>>139917757
Good thing the only use I have for feminists is as disposable playthings. Any woman who espouses feminism is unsuitable for marriage.

>>139917955
Oh wow, you are really one dumb western brat. You should visit Mali or Saudi Arabia sometime, take in some of that lovely non-western culture and see how it agrees with you.

>>139908243
Best post hands down. Very well put, anon. Not every woman is a high IQ outlier - far from it. I'm thinking the rare ones that are wouldn't need "feminism" (read: special treatment) in the first place and could achieve success based on their merit. But feminism pushes this idea that all women are capable AND are equal to and are as capable as men. Which is simply a lie. It does damage women's reputation as a whole - in the workplace, in politics, in government, within society at large as the stupidest ones are also the loudest ones. And that is all that people see.

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>>139918104
>79 posts.
Holy kek. Remember when trolling was a art form? A successful troll was one who could start a shitstorm with a single post in a thread, and then vanish. Like flicking a spark onto a dry haystack and watching it erupt.

Now we have these fucking amateurs making 79 posts. Blasting a thick, solid, saturated tree-trunk with a flamethrower. Burning up litres and litres of fuel, and rejoicing at the few flickers they get as a result.

Pretty pathetic, OP.

>>139918205
On one income people can fight over the bills. With 2 incomes my family later had a lot more money. I've never been in a daycare and never had student loan debt all thanks to my mother's income. Affording college is important. Biology? I'm better at a lot of things people say males are better at. I'm not good at the social female stuff as much.

>>139918508
My goal is to turn the daughters there against the fathers and husbands :)

Thousand bucks says she has the last word. Its typical female argumentative behavior. Any of you got gfs? Daughters? Mothers? Sisters? She will have the last post, mark my words. That's all that really matters here.

>>139918104
>"Why would I want to have a family?"
This is what feminists actually think.

A question that dumb does not deserve an answer, don't breed please, racemix with any race but white.

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>>139918948
>Turning daughters against their families.

Good luck with that.

>>139918827
yes, when you have one income people can fight over bills. There are risks to life and things must be decided between you in a relationship.

when was the second income added? how old were you and your brother and sister when your mom got a job?

>>139918948
so you are a marxist. are you jewish?

>>139919160
Are you that stupid that you don't know how the term breeding cow can put someone off?

>>139919136
>Its typical female argumentative behavior.
And the jewish one.
>She will have the last post, mark my words. That's all that really matters here.
>giving attention to women's bullshit and nagging
Its like you didn't learn to filter their bullshit and answer correctly to whining cunts.

>>139919406
>know how the term breeding cow can put someone off?
You clearly haven't visited the breeding fetishist community, among many other porn genres.

>being a woman
>NOT getting turned on by the thought of being bred by a man you fancy
pick 1

>>139901401
>82 posts by this id

Holy fucking hell, get a life you loser

>>139919703
Most porn is gross

I'm not sure why we are replying to these threads when A) they're headed by bait or schizos, and B) Feminism already lost. It's over. Women piling on debt from academia was only a design to pull men down who will end up having to pay off their debt half of the time.

>>139920009
>Feminism already lost. It's over.
How do you figure? They're still bitching about the wage gap. Apparently it's closing, though, which means they are winning. Because the only way that is possible is if they pay women more for the same unit of production. This is their goal.

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>>139919961
You watch cuckporn, interracialporn and gangbang shit probably, like all the people do.

>>139910600
Except that NOBODY is taking your rights away, nor will this happen EVER while Western society prevails. You have everything you could possibly wish for, and nobody standing in your path to success. A world of opportunities and possibilities awaits you, and yet, you are STILL UNHAPPY!

Why? Maybe you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and be honest with yourself.

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>>139919406
Men work because they cant breed. As a woman, why chose to be a bad doctor or a bad soldier or a bad general when you have the ability to create 20 great men? Being a woman is a choice between being a weak almost useless man or a great mother. A woman can create 20 great men or she can go to school, work then die alone without having benefited anyone.

Feminism will kill itself as a society within a generation.

Having children early is vital if you want to restore a population. That is why modern demonic society force women into a pointless labor market to serve coffee to each other until they are too old to have children.

muslims/africans
5 children at 20
25 grandchildren at 40
125 great grandchildren at 60
156 people total

versus feminism
1 child at 35
1 grandchild at 70
3 people total

Good luck trying to beat africa when you got jews ruining your game.

>>139920238
They lost after Cologne. After that it's just a slow realization that they cannot grasp or defend a future for our children or even themselves.

>>139920009
Feminism will only lose when women lose the right to vote and men are actually in charge again, not being whipped betas that do everything to make women's lives easier.

>>139917333
>They have the freedom to take different paths.
No they don't. You feminists have created a situation where traditional roles for women are demonized. You've told women that they are equal or better than men at male oriented tasks, and if they fail, it's because of some sort of invisible oppression. Then, finally, you've fucked our economy so hard that now women HAVE to work to afford children. Mothers AND fathers BOTH have to work to create a good life for themselves and their offspring

You are so fucking delusional that I truly believe you are not high IQ as you claim.
You are most likely a failure at life, unattractive, with a disgusting personality. Your posts show that you have a great level of hostility for men, which is most likely a sour grapes scenario. You couldn't get a good man "So what would a smart woman who wasn't Stacy in looks supposed to do?", so instead you go full on man hating feminist.

You've failed to show your smarts or intelligence in this thread. You do not have a rational mind. It's clear to me now that you are not only ugly on the inside AND outside, but you lack the intelligence to make up for it.

>>139920410
No the only porn I watch is lesbian
Most porn is gross and exploitative

>>139920582
Men don't want to be whipped but males want women to be whipped. Talk about lack of empathy.

>>139920657
Lesbianism has never naturally existed, it's literally a second wave radfem invention.

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>>139901669
>Womb envy.
If you are going to call the (((Freud))) the least you could do is not cite the studies of one of his students.
pic related
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Horney

Also I don't understand why women want to get themselves blown up by IEDs in the desert. I don't believe in the non-white Sharia tier thinking MGTOW thinks, but I don't see why women wouldn't want to be mothers in a stable happy marriage.

>>139901401

Same reason sailors considered women bad luck at sea.

You have a bunch of men focused on getting shit done, shit gets done.

You throw in a woman and she's getting one dude to do work for her, and making the rest of the crew jealous and the ship sinks killing everyone.

You think this has changed? Only in that men have become weaker and more willing to submit to the lies of other weak men.

It's not even the women's fault for trying to get a job and survive, it's the men's fault for not being realists.

>>139920625
Again, I didn't have to go to daycare in childhood. So you're wrong. My mind is rational. My mind fights for my own rational self interest.

>>139918205
Also not everyone trick or treated in the same neighborhood. My family gave me freedom but this happened with me because we didn't trick or treat in just our neighborhood. She wanted to be there to take us to other neighborhoods afterwards and hop from place to place. The rich neighborhoods gave dollar bills and full sized candy bars. You can't get to them without driving.

>mfw he actually doubleposts to get the last word

>Why did men decide to push women into ostracism and poverty if they decided to be single or work?

This is literally untrue. Single PEOPLE often felt pressured to become married, but this was a result of the culture at the time and both genders were subject to the pressure. Women have worked since the start of time, they were never refused the right to work - there are a handful of exceptions, for example some public services in early 20th century had policies that required women who became pregnant or married to retire their jobs. The origins of these rules weren't men or 'patriarchy', though, and these rules were regularly ignored in the few cases they existed at all.

>Why did they eliminate property rights for all married women?

This is a feminist misrepresentation. Property has always been considered a matter of possession or title. Women could own their own property and title in things and courts would uphold their rights. The issue was one of divorce - when property in those times was much more a matter of the survival of families, allowing a woman to divorce her husband and then take away half of the property he worked for could be disasterous. It's possible the church played a role too in attempting to create incentives for divorce not to occur -- but MEN are not solely responsible for the culture power of religion. If anything, women are more responsible for it.

>Why did they decide to force women who didn't meet their standards into not getting their material needs met?

Most women avoided work if they could up until modern times when careers in running-water-plumbed, airconditioned offices became a thing.

>>139921646


>http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/08/31/jennie-hodgers-woman-bravely-defied-sexist-norms/

The feminists here are trying to represent this case as 'patriarchy', but women have been more than happy since the start of time to socialise and pressure boys into being the workers\soldiers. When the first wave feminists were seeking the vote for women and WW1 broke out - ALL THE MAJOR FEMINIST GROUPS made EXPLICIT statements that it should be men alone who fight in the war. Some of the feminists handed out white feathers.

Now, over a hundred years since female suffrage, in the US young men are still forced to sign up for selective service if they want to work in the federal public service or to get those federal student loans.

When the Vietnam war was going on, no woman alive at the time had ever not had the vote - in fact women were the majority of voters even then. Yet instead of doing anything about the fact that young men were having their lives literally lotteried off, where men under threat of imprisonment were pressured into joining the military... women were going around burning bras and demanding MORE privileges.

>>139921027
>Again, I didn't have to go to daycare in childhood.
And how old are you?
>My mind fights for my own rational self interest.
No it doesn't. Pissing off the warrior gender and crashing society to the ground using an army of inept emotional women is not rational.
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>>139911160
Your train of thought in these posts is not rational self-interest. You are utterly nuts and delusional.

Remember, telling yourself you're something doesn't mean you are. Telling yourself you're smart doesn't mean you are. Telling yourself you're capable doesn't mean you are.

You are not rational or smart as evidenced by your posts in this thread.
You are not attractive as evidence by your "stacy" post.
Your personality is disgusting, so it's not surprising you are childless and bitter.

>>139901401
Nobody pushed women into traditional sex roles, it was common sense and instinct for them stay safe and take care of their kids, while men went out and gathered resources. This was the only sustainable social model for a very long time, now as the patriarchy tamed nature and ushered in an era of unprecedented wealth and safety, females can LARP a bit and show off just how strong and brave they are, but most of them still want to be homemakers and mothers, it's in their nature.

Also, the evidence is pretty clear, if they are left unchecked, they will simply subvert their civilization and import third world brutes to dominate them.

>>139922057
>Again, I didn't have to go to daycare in childhood.
People actually paid businesses to take care of their kids?
When I was a kid my Grandparents lived with us. They took care of me and my brother while mom and dad were working.
The lack of tight-knit families is the real shame out of this. I always haven a relative to depend on if I get into trouble.
Then again stable self-sufficient loving family units aren't profitable to (((them)))

>>139901401
Enjoy rape loser, you already lost.

>>139922737
I have the same tight knit family that people think no one born after the Boomers had. I have aunts, uncles, grandparents to depend on. None of my family ever went to a nursing home either. That's why getting rid of feminism would only take away from me. It wouldn't give me more.

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>>139901401
Stop posting whore. I notice no tits

>>139919961
I think women should have the right to a good income. But I know an SJW feminist. She says things like always believe a rape claim 100% of the time. She says things like men are scum and should be castrated. She sees the patriarchy in anything. Things nobody sees. like how map projections were somehow designed to be oppressive. And if she doesn't see these things change she wants to cause problems for society like you say. But the truth is she wants to be offended and oppressed so she can fight it and she will never be satisfied with society

>>139922965
>nursing home
That just kills you off faster.

But what type of feminism are you arguing?
>>139920891
Look at my bottom statement.

>>139904149
>It's not serving myself if I don't get paid for it.
Wow.

>>139920891
I don't want to be blown up. I just like the thought of shooting Taliban members.

>>139923502
I done said so earlier
>money=success
Literal whore, nothing more, never worth the time.

>>139923617
I have no problem with women in the military, however I do have a problem with standards being lowered to accommodate them.
Make a new thread and link it and we can continue this discussion.

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Single women wanting to ruin everyone's lives by making everyone as miserable as they are.

>>139924310
>Ann Coal-Burner
Opinion discarded. Find a better quote.

>>139924310
My anger comes from the anti female backlash. Stop backlashing or else I'll keep being a super bitch. Your choice.

>>139924310

It's not just single women, all women seem to more readily jump to believing self-serving lies that portray them as victims and oppressed (and explaining away the tendency for males to thrive more).

Society is also inherently misandric. Males buy into misandry when directed against what they believe are outsider males, because this has no consequences to them in general - this is why it's common for American males on this board to say things like "we don't need feminism in the first world, it's needed in places like India! Why aren't feminists in India?" sort of shit, when in fact India is vastly more misandric and feminist than even the US. Also "rapefugees" is another example of males promoting misandry when they believe it serves their own interest - these males think it's ok to promote lies and generalise massive populations of 'outsider' males.

>>139924779
Nah, this just leads to the truely strong putting the truely weak back in their place. Keep being a super bitch, we'll just go back to raping anyone who tries to object. Try and stop us.

>>139925068
I can stop the rapist with a gun :D

>>139925172
>implying you will
Over half of all women who admit to being raped admit to having came from that rape.

>>139901401
>Why did men decide to push women into ostracism and poverty if they decided to be single or work?
>needed
They never NEEDED to be single or to work you dumbshit. Learn history before asking stupid questions.

>>139925068
>we'll just go back to raping anyone who tries to object
Man, don't make me side with the woman here, I hate looking like a white knight, but we aren't Muslims or Africans. We don't rape. Even in the Turner Diaries women were given equal respect. They just weren't sent out on the really dangerous missions.
Rape is a third world mentality.

>>139925310
Forcing a woman into a relationship for money is rape. She's forced to have sex with someone she doesn't want to. What if a woman had a high IQ, dreams and ambitions and didn't look like Stacy? Life of poverty for her right?

>>139925367
That's objectively wrong and you damned well know it. Warfare has always been waged this way. Kill the men, rape the women, end their lineage. Our new enemy is not an ethnicity but an ideology. The rules don't change.

>>139924779
>I'll keep being a supper bitch
Good for you but dont ask why you get your head stomped by actual mysoginist

>>139925862
>Kill the men, rape the women, end their lineage
That just creates mongrel children
Kill their men and women and you completely wipe them out. When you get rid of spiders do you leave the egg sacs ?
Encouraging rape doesn't fix anything but instead turns us into savages. We should conduct ourselves with the dignity fitting our race.

>>139926081
And those mongrels will never share the identity of their fathers, leaving them susceptible to further murder and bleach. Welcome to warfare, sonny, it doesn't get any cleaner from here.

>>139925649
>Forcing a woman into a relationship for money is rape.
Rape is physical unwanted sex
No it isn't. That is called a bad relationship. It is unfortunate they happen because it would be better the children were born into a stable household.

>>139926173
>leaving them susceptible to further murder and bleach
They just come back to kill us in the form of mini Kalergis. Get rid of them completely. Never wound what you are not willing to kill.