>Nicola Tesla >Werner Heisenberg >Georges Lemaître

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>>139838770
>(((Heisenberg)))

>>139838770
Sit Isaac Newton considered himself more a theologian than a physicist.

>>139839046
>german name ends with berg/stein
>people think of (((them)))
My own name ends with (((stein))) it is pretty normal here.You should worry if the name has gold/silver or ruby infron of it.

>>139839046
retard

>>139839046
typical amerilard. berg and stein are german surnames. jews took them on to fit in better.

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>>139839046

typical burger education

>>139839046
Beer((stein))

>>139838770
Religitards just end yourself already if you believe in heaven. Why live in hell?

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>>139838770
Tesla was a spiritualist, did not give two fucks about Star Jews 2: Return of the Jesus.

>>139839046
(((E=MC2)))

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>>139838770
Doesn't Godel's Incompleteness Theorem pretty much imply an external creator? Doesn't have to be an intelligent one, we have no way of knowing, yet. But a self-complete system can't logically bring itself into existence. Or the chain of cause and effect that goes back and back for ever must have a 1st cause to start everything.
Or if there is no first cause, infinity, then why does this infinity exist in the first place?
The closest I ever got was realizing that existence HAS TO exist by its very definition/nature. Whereas "nonexistence" cannot exist, by its very definition/nature. Therefore "existence" has to exist, it's impossible for existence to NOT exist.
But does this require an outside system to create these logic rules?

>>139838770
Why is christianity right but not hinduism?
checkmate faggot

>>139842141
I think furthermore, a system based entirely on chance without any purpose, could spontaneously not exist. Why is existence constant and, from our perspective, uninterrupted. What is the probability of existence continuing, and what is the engine that decides this probability?

>>139838770
New Atheists have failed. Dawkins is declining. Jordan Peterson is surging - waking dormant Western minds up to the worth and value of Christianity.

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>>139842701
Well if everything in the universe stopped existing for a trillion years and then was brought back we wouldn't know about it at all. Does a game npc know you paused the game? No, his very thoughts are paused too.
And like I mention, existence HAS TO continue because if existence stopped then it wouldn't be existence anymore now would it?

>>139840719
holy shit anon, you are sending my (((coincidence detector))) into overdrive!

>>139840818
Jews took on last name suffixes mashed together. Half the traditionally Jewish names mean shit like citytown or -ing-er. Americans are really bad at sniffing it out though.

>>139843050
but existence, as we experience it, is continuous, not random. It doesn't "unpause" to be something completely unrelated or different. It continues under the same rules, with the same agents, with the same energy. So there must be a rule that governs this.

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>>139843389
We wouldn't know if it did that or not though. If you took a film reel and separated the first half from the last half then staggered each frame so that frame #1 would be followed by frame #10,000 which would be followed by frame #2 which would be followed by frame #10,001 which would be followed by frame #3 which would be followed by frame #10,002....etc...

The characters in the movie would not know the difference. BatMan still thinks his parents were murdered even if to us, outside observers, we haven't gotten to that part yet (frame #246 would be AFTER frame #5,000 to us). No matter the way we arrange the frames, the thoughts, beliefs and memories of BatMan within each frame do not change.

>>139838770
>Michael Faraday
>Sir Humphrey Davy
Many scientists do not give a shit about religion at all and I don't blame them.

>>139844084
Oh I see what you're saying. But in order for this to not be relativistic completely, there has to have been some natural order of things. Within your film example, if you rearranged the film in the order: 1,10 000,2,10 002, it would have to have some coherent design as: 1,2,3,4 as opposed to 1,10 000... That is, I think you are making each frame equally meaningless in your analogy, so it wouldn't matter if we could or could not comprehend it.

If you are also saying that the characters, despite re-arranging the frames, experience and understand their lives the same way (dramatic irony, I guess), it would imply there was a design that they are determined to experience. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to function or understand anything. Some way or another there is consistency.

>>139840543
Sir Isaac would've had his apples cut off if his actual religious views had been made public back then

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>>139838770
>flag
>faulty argument
Didn't some of your ancestors invent this shit?
It seems like Greece is really lost.

>>139843221
Have this image, faggot.
Without a reference to [jew]elry, it's probably just a German.

>>139844552

Those 3 were the biggest minds ever walked the earth you trashcan

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>>139838770
don't be so fucking stupid komshu. tesla wasn't a christcuck. belief in god doesn't mean believing in (((organized religion))). it's all lies, well more like corrupted truths

>>139838770
tesla=trump

>>139838770
also einstsein was jewish

>>139842141
>Godel's incompleteness theorem implies a creator
It was actually recently proven, it's a "PROOF" now. The Proof was done with advanced logic software. Even the neckbeards at /sci/ couldn't pick it apart. Formalizations of Godels OntologicalArgument - and all its Axiom held - of specificity Axiom T3 held and - therefore - "God necessarily exists".
Here's the best /sci/ thread on it that btfo every atheist, all the github links (including logic software) and all the articles were every university dept tries to save atheism, but can't.

https://warosu.org/sci/thread/S8622719

tldr: repent

>>139838770
I'm sorry, none of those people were even remotely in the same ballpark as
von Neumann
a strong agnostic who invoked pascal's wager on his deathbed.

Take it for what you will.

>>139838770
Appeal to authority

Being an expert in physics does not mean you have insight into the divine

>>139844616
So an out of order film reel can't exist?
I'm also speaking of systems outside ours. That means relativity exists in our system, but not necessarily outside. We physically cannot comprehend the outside system. Can a movie character comprehend the world outside its movie?
Can an AI comprehend the world outside its virtual sandbox? It would need access to the outside system to even begin to select neural nets that understand the world outside the system it has access to. No matter how intelligent it gets it will always be forced to rely on indirect observations to try to guess at the world outside. So a character in a movie might 'know' that their dramatic irony starts at the end because they just guessed it but they'd never have any proof except for the fact that their life has similarities to the dramatic irony genre and they can implicitly state that their life will also share the final ingredient of being out of order even though to them everything runs chronologically.

>>139842141
NO
fucking retards

>>139838770
Belief in God doesn't equate to organized religion you retarded stain of humanity. Spiritualism, deism, pantheism, pandeism the panens.

>>139845245
Well just because a God exists doesn't mean a Christian God exists. I follow my Christian faith for strictly social and physical reasons, not for any divine answers. The traditions and enforced behaviors is what makes religion important, not the answers.
>>139845596
Hmmm good point, never thought about it like that.

>>139845343
>appeal to fallacy

>>139845494
I'm saying that for a film to be "out of order" there would have to be an "in order" film. So there would have to be some sort of rule governing what an "in order" film was for it to be out of order. It's interesting because film and ai I think is our way of abstracting a pocket dimension (characters unaware we control them).

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This thread is what happens when philosophy people think they're smart enough to be science and math people.

>>139838770
Add Isaac Newton to that list.

>>139840543
Sir Isaac Newton thought alchemy was a science

>>139845245
Interesting, though the fact is his ontological argument was always 'proven' it's just that nobody was really capable of completely understanding it. The weird thing was how everyone deferred to Godel on Order Theory, formal systems and whatnot, but when it came to his ontological proof they were suddenly all skeptical. It's an uncanny thing. One minute they admit they're not even qualified to question his work, the next they claim a special insight that allows them to reject it.

>>139845853
it's okay, we'll wait for you write your own opinion on the matter.

>>139845715
Gödel's incompleteness theorems (there's two, they are a pair) have nothing to do with God. They have to do with the limitations of FORMAL SYSTEMS and all these shitbrain 80 IQ conclusions have nothing to do with the theorems themselves.

>>139845962
any proof it's not? back in his day alchemy was chemistry so it was science

>>139845760
>appeal to appeals

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>>139838770
>argument from authority

>>139845962
Alchemy and chemistry were one in the same back then.

>>139846005
It's a typical error people make, they conflate what Godel was famous for (the theorems) with the other thing he was famous for (the ontological proof). Obviously he meant the latter.

>>139843050
>thinks geocapitalism is possible
lol
>>139846041
>any proof it's not
I don't think it's possible to compound random shit in a flask to make gold so no.

Oppenheimer, Bohr, Russell, Dirac were irreligious. And so were Poincare, Hilbert, Kolmogorov and many more.

Stop appealing to people singled out.

And stop using this 'god' meme. None of the fucking Chrisitians can even agree on nor explain what their 'god' is. Using this word, they mean different things.

Finally, Christian 'god' is one ferocious whimsical deity of a certain sect within one faith of one of the 73 semitic peoples. Tis 'god' is no more important or credible than Ketzalcoatl or nature spirits of the eskimos.

>>139846052
>appeal to memearrows

>>139846123
Alchemy was miracle chemistry basically.

>>139846005
Our entire existence is a formal system. Since a formal system is limited then it needs help.

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>>139846187
It's either g-d or the alternative. Your choice.

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>>139838770
These men were not Jew worshiping Christian you idiot.

Tesla read the Veddas. Heisenberg was a Jew

Lamaritre didn't fuck little boys, so not a true member of the Church.

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>>139846162
geolibertarianism nationalizes all natural resources and maintains free markets. You own the factory but not the land its on nor the air it pollutes. This isn't rocket science.

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>>139842141

>>139845596
gee whiz you sure sound smart

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>>139846351
>It's either g-d or the alternative. Your choice.
Your Jew God is the same cult as Satanism or Baphomet. It's all the same derivative.

You know why you leave the 'o' out of God? Because the word God means ODIN = GODin.

God is a Germanic word, not Aramaic. You blasphemy by calling your Jew deity "God" and not YHWY

SHAME!

well i guess my mind is bigger than theirs

>>139845245
>Most criticism of Gödel's proof is aimed at its axioms: As with any proof in any logical system, if the axioms the proof depends on are doubted, then the conclusions can be doubted.

The axioms, you can never get past the axioms. It's difficult to prove something's ''objective'' because you have to take some axioms for granted.

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>>139846434
>trying to personify God
>too retarded to know we do the same shit with our creations
Last time I played AoE2 I let an entire army retreat but left a lone soldier to face a hundred enemy soldiers just for kicks.
I've also tortured sims characters.
They mean little to God, we're just here to please Him. Just like video game characters are there to please us.

>>139846429
Give me more information to learn more. Doesn't sound that much different from socialism.
>>139846548
Not my fault Aramaic is a dead language, fag.

>>139846187
So pointing to the legions of white Christian male scientists and physicists who discovered literally everything in the modern era - is not a valid appeal to authority when you just started your argument out this way?

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>>139838770
(((Quantum mechanics)))
>nobody really understands it
>everything is random
>nothing, like, really matters man
>time/space/matter don't really exist
The acceptance of this shitty postmodern ""theory"" coincides with the rise of nihilism and the decay of Western Civilization as we know it. Don't fucking fall for it.

>>139838770
all of them feared a void after death. no difference to any other Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc

>>139846780
>nobody really understands it
Maybe that's why we should study it.

>>139846351

No, it's a gajillion of tribes with a gajillion of different deities and spirits. The Toda people, for instance, worship the Great Milkman while certain guys in the Zande tribe have a piece of rope or a wooden beam as their Totem. Some Aussie abbos believe women have no souls and there's a nice people in the Amur region of Russia whose whole faith entirely hinges on worshipping the bear they foster and then kill. What is the principle difference between these things and Christ? Protip: there is none. I view all these phenomena from exactly the same point of an anthropologist. In fact, to be honest, I find Christian theology with its theodicy, trinitatarism and other such jokes to be way more absurd and laughable then the Great Milkman or eskimo sea spirits.

>>139846338
This is why I called you fucking retarded. Such a wild and insane claim with ZERO understanding.

>>139838770
Prove your god is real and I'll believe in it. It's as simple as that. If you believe in things without evidence you're just not being rational.

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>>139845994
My opinion is you and everyone else here should spend about two years studying actual math before you ever say anything about Godel again.

Godel: "Assuming that absolutely everything in the universe can be classified as either Good or Bad, there is Something in the universe that has only Good properties. This Something might be a person, a rock, an abstract mathematical object, or a lump of cat shit. I choose to call this thing God."
You: "ZOMG ATHEISTS BTFO"

>>139846676
In essence it pretty much is socialism but instead of seizing private capital made by human labor you seize natural resources that weren't made by anyone.
Alaska paid every resident a severance for the oil the private companies pump up. Same thing. It also implies Land Taxes (basically Property Taxes but your house isn't taxed, it's weird. Basically, a skyscraper in a rural area on one acre of land will pay the exact same tax as a small cabin on the acre next to it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOyk_FrvMQ

>>139846866
Thank you for that point. I never thought about it like that.

>>139846567
> you can never get past the axioms
The logical software crunches the model logic and leaves the atheist to attack the axioms, but the axioms >>139845245
, as revised, are unassailable.

Are you arguing you don't exist?

>>139846987
the fedora tears please me

Chemistryanon here,

>Grew up in a Christian family
>Slowly lost faith as I aged
>Convinced god probably wasn't real by the time I started uni
>Think it's really strange how most humanities professors are atheist
>Think it's really strange how most science professors are religious
>Slowly regained faith as I learned more about real science
>Realize that "popular science" in the media is a meme because (((they))) want to erode morals and traditions
>Mfw I realize most scientists believe in a higher power
>Mfw studying science brought me back to god

I basically went from Christianity, to agnosticism, to atheism, to deism.

Tldr, deist masterrace reporting in

>>139846241
basically the same thing,

mix chemical A with chemical B --> get chemical C

They just started calling it "Chemistry" at some point to get away from all the magical connotations "alchemy" had.

Point is, you couldn't do Chemistry back then without it being called Alchemy, even if it was legit Chemistry.

>>139846687
Not unless they discovered some proof you can point me to.

>>139846987
>scientist says x, which doesnt align with y groups opinion
>"y is not btfo you guise"

>>139847089
You never thought that with your zero actual understanding of Godel's work that you shouldn't try to use it to define some greater truth about the existence of God. You never thought to research and understand it better?
Just jumped to wild conclusions?
Misrepresent the work and make stupid claims on the internet?

kys.

>>139838770
Like any of these faggots got to the bottom of the glass.

Like anyone who's ever lived has even taken more than a sip.

Science is divine and I'm certain we'll all be destroyed before ever discovering all of its secrets.

>>139847280
>wanting "proof" of religion
>can't into the concept of "faith"

>>139846838
Yet you cannot explain existence any better than them and think laughing from a faked "i'm smarter than you" perspective makes you superior?

>>139847156
Now tell us how muh axioms relate in ANY DAMN WAY to "God" as understood by any religious person.

A mathematician proved an abstract mathematical entity exists, then decided to name it "God". That's literally it.

>>139846876
see >>139845245

>>139845304
(((von neumann)))
he was also a little bitch terrified of death

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>>139846836
That's just what ((they)) want. The reality is quantum mechanics is a bullshit ploy to distract actual intellectual effort and research into the study of a useless abstract theory.

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Founder of genetics was also a priest, its really fucking funny.

>>139838770

Atheists don't even lift man!

>>139847391
Well thought out argument. Thank you. The fact that our existence is 'incomplete' does not necessarily imply a greater outside system to support our system. That system would need a greater system to support it too. Ad infinitum.

no brains follows religion

a shallow brain denounces religion

a higher mind sees the necessity of religion

>>139847156
>you exist
Just because you 'think' you exist does not necessarily mean you exist. A rock that has the exact same molecular structure as my brain will think that it's a he and that he exists too. The rock exists but the illusion of being a man is not real.
So I could be a rock fooled into thinking I'm a man.
That molecular/particulate pattern does have to exist though I guess.

>>139847404
Well you end up realizing the limitations of science. That even futuristic "Perfected" science would never explain, heres cs lewis' general description of it.
https://youtu.be/_20yiBQAIlk

>>139847404
/thread

Also, their interpretation of the math was cucked. If they are so perfect for your appeal to authority, why are you so wrecked OP?

>>139847931
I am none of these. My mind is human but it has been tampered with by years of pharma. Now I just hate and love to inform so that I can feel smart.

>>139847499
I can relate my own theism with my Christian faith from a personal perspective built on faith.
>>139847962
You exist bruh. This is all real.

>>139847584
>>139846780
>/mentally challenged/

>>139848277
>I can relate my own theism with my Christian faith from a personal perspective built on faith.

So we've gone from "Math btfo atheists" back to "It's all about faith".

>>139847962
Something that has the exact same molecular structure as your brain would be your brain, not a rock

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>>139846676
>Not my fault Aramaic is a dead language, fag.
It's dead because you're using a German dietie's name.

You Nazi

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>>139847584
>>139846780

>>139848277
>you exist
So you have nothing actually to add to my comment? Just to reiterate muh "I think therefore I be" ??
Am I wasting my time on you? You're not making me think.

>>139847450
>you cannot explain existence

Explanations per se are useless. Many of them being mutually exclusive and equally unprovable, this means they are equally useless.

Explanations are only of value if they give one predictive power. That's what works on a consistent basis and is verifiable and allows one to solve tasks previously unsolvable. Like building an H-bomb or an industrial robot.

Philistines always think of science as of some sort of explaining away the mysteries of nature and complain that science does not explain everything or explains stuff worse than religions. Explaining is not the point; science gives predictive power and creates things that actually work, while religions - with all their bombastic world explanations - have resulted in strictly zero verifiable working things. It took science 70 years to go from the first plane to moon landing, while religions have spent thousands of years wrshipping the moon as a deity.

If something cannot be explained in such a manner that one gains predictive power, it should not be explained but rather passed in silence. If a question is such that all possible answers to it are incapable of being verified, the question is a non-issue and is to be ignored.

The only exception is a set of conventions that define and govern the method of science, that is the only 'philosophy' I acknowledge. These conventions are not true or false, they are useful and subject to change. They are chosen based on their resulting efficacy, when applied, and corrected accordingly.

Metaphysics, normative ethics and aesthetics are not false, but nonsensical piles of words that mean nothing. I abide by aesthetical and moral non-cognitivism and a positivist view of science, heavily balanced with a number of conventionalistic ideas mostly borrowed from Poincare.

If explaining something does not give one additional predictive power, than the the explanation is useless. I do not need 'explaining existence' because it is of no value.

>>139848676
>what is a Boltzmann Brain

>>139846351
How ironic since you actually worship pic related and don't even know it you simpleton.

YHWY = Yaldabaoth =Demiurge / False god.

>>139840719

>Gold silver Ruby
>All money related

Really storms my fronts

>>139847962
If a rock had the exact same molecular structure as your brain it would literally be your brain.

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>>139848775
>Demiurge
Oh look, another victim of Jewish/Christian occultism. If you're going to do it right stick to Zoroastrianism or at least Plato you dirty pleb.

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>>139838770
What he doesnt believe in our jew sand god? Lets kill him, jail him, shame him, ostracize him, take away his funding...

>>139848775
Yahweh and the devil have very distinct personality traits in The Bible. They are not the same being. But Satan likes to impersonate God, so the confusion is understandable.

>>139848063
Science isnt devine you knucklehead. How old are you?
>>139848555
I argued the "1" or "0" nature of God, you asked where the tire meets the road and I told you. Are you mad you asked an unrelated question? Or that I bothered to answer?

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>>139848891
>what is a Boltzmann Brain

It's getting obvious that you're all too low iq for me to learn anything today so I'm out.

>>139849167
man honey boo boo had a hard time in middle school

>>139848698
>he literally an unironically thinks he doesn't exist.
oh sweetheart, it's all gonna be ok.

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>>139849045
>Yahweh and the devil have very distinct personality traits in The Bible. They are not the same being.
Satan was invented by early Roman Church priests to dumb everything down for people who didn't understand all the Torah/Gospel references to Semitic myths and fake news/history.

There is no one character of "satan" in the bible because the word literally means advesary, and was used for not just one but many, sometimes multiple peoples or even whole tribes.

You're fucking retarded like most people and should shut up for a long time.

>>139849167
I still don't fully understand that concept, I trip up at the proposition, that only the brain would be necessary to process this universe.
I can't agree with that, without or periphery and sensory organs there would be nothing to process.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding entirely.

>>139849069
So you don't believe physics biology and the workings of the universe are divine? Well that's fine if you don't. But let's not pretend like you know for a fact it's not. You really don't know shit about shit. How old are YOU? Lots of college faggots go through a phase where they think they know everything. I bet you're about 23-26.

>>139849069
Thinking only in the literal
or
Purposeful misinterpretation to flame just because you disagree.

>Nigger behavior

I didn't say it's divine*, I said that his post encapsulates what should be the end of the thread.

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>ITT: fedoracucks will act try to denounce the fact that 99% of all major scientists were religous because they've been brainwashed into thinking that atheists like Bill Nye or the nigger with the deep voice are somehow the representatives of science

>>139848716
That's a long winded way to agree with me. You are no better than any of those past civilizations you ridiculed, worse even because of that silly fedora on your head and gloomy worldview and false superiority. Sad.

>>139849345
Satan and Lucifer are mentioned many times throughout The Bible. If you want a good idea of what he is like, read the opening of Mark where Jesus is being tempted by him. Contrast this figure with the being Jesus speaks to later known as the Father. These are two distinct beings.

>>139846223
fug :DD

>>139849039
Anti-blasphemy laws work at keeping people like you and your sjw allies from wrecking the west.
>>139849491
>human understanding of science is devine
It's by observation not devine.
>>139849525
Yet you typed a further note and didn't gtfo. Are you this new?

>>139850326
Sorry not Mark, read Luke 4 if you want to read Jesus and Satan's back and forth.

>>139850486
Nice ad hominem, your retreat further into fallacies does little for your forced points.

Also, why would you think that me declaring /thread is the same as saying I will give it no more attention? Especially when there are delicious morsels of idiocy for me to feast on.

>>139849548
They are certainly indoctrinated into Marxism especially the central tenet of it - Atheism.

The Universe has Error Correcting Code writ into the equations that explain it.

Its a Simulacrum of the Demiurge. We are in his Matrix.

You have not found God, yet.

>>139851211
The fallacies are just memes.

>>139847156

Yes, technically.

All mathematical proof is built on unprovable assumptions that appear obvious, but cannot be verified by their own rules. You can prove 1 = 1, but you can't prove 1 exists by any axiom not derived from an assumption.

Proof is very convenient for many things, but absolute truth is a spiritual matter.

>>139852205
Good points. Especially for those atheists who uphold science as an Absolute Truth by faith almost, complete with their own creation story.

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>>139848775

>>139840719

>has gold/silver or ruby infron of it

Fucking lost.

>>139846987
Science comes from philosophy. Science is the how, philosophy is the why.

>>139853020
>>139853062
I hope you find Christ in your spiritual journey.

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>>139838770
muh argument from authority

good arguments are based on physical evidence bro

if you think that 2000 years worth of miracles (the bible states that god will personally move mountains on your behalf) doesn't leave behind any trail of evidence then you are full of SHIT

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>>139853062

>>139854104
Christ is a shortcut surrounded by subversion

>>139838770
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165083051
here, have some sources

>>139847262
>rwanda

>>139838770
>Child: Maybe there's a God?
>Teenager: Lol, I can't believe anyone believes that. Clearly the bible didn't happen literally. Therefore, there is no God.
>Adult: For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

I think it's a common cycle of growth.

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>>139838770
Quote is a rip-off of Bacon:
>A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion.
>>139845245
Gödel's incompleteness theorems only speak to notions of provability within the very specific and limited confines of certain kinds of on-paper formal systems. There's nothing more obnoxious than people who misunderstand the limitations on Gödel and who think his conclusions can be carried outside those confines and out into the wider world.
>A common misunderstanding is to interpret Gödel's first theorem as showing that there are truths that cannot be proved. This is, however, incorrect, for the incompleteness theorem does not deal with provability in any absolute sense, but only concerns derivability in some particular formal system or another.
>>139846567
>you can never get past the axioms
This is what Gödel and all his brainlet followers continually fail to understand. Gödel did not understand axioms. Gödel's disproof of completeness is as incomplete as any other proof by Gödel's own standard. If you're talking to someone who says things like, "even arithmetic can't be proven true, maaaan. Gödel! " then you know you're talking to a 100% retard.

>>139838770
>>Georges Lemaître
You mean the first guy to hypothesize the existence of the Big Bang? He was only a catholic for self-interested reasons. The other two I'm not as sure about but I wouldn't be surprised to discover that they never believed in a theistic god.

In any event, the majority of scientists now are non-religious.

>>139838770
They just yell and act smarter. They'll show Bill Nye, Black Science Man and Dawkins as supergenius types.

Hitchens and Dawkins, I know they were and are atheists for emotional reasons - their past. I'm 95% sure it's the same for Hawking, too.

>>139855964
It seems that throughout history, the smartest and most gifted are also the most insane.

PR-friendly scientists are the ones that make headlines (the Edison and Tyson variety vs the Tesla and Heaviside variety)

Any Catholic before 1960 doesn't count as Catholic by choice.
Catholic still had Jew like power back then and could easily ruin you for not kissing the Pope's ring.
Like the Jews still have today to label you a nazi for straying on inch from their orders.

>>139855701
>"Gödel's disproof of completeness is as incomplete as any other proof by Gödel's own standard."
Christ, I would pay to see you attempt to have a discussion with an actual math professor. I'm pretty sure at this point that most of /pol/ hasn't ever taken a math class past high school algebra.

>>139856218
There is generally a fine line between genius and madness, as they say.

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>>139845065
>that pic

>>139842141
You can't teach the implications of Godel's incompleteness theorems. The understanding only comes when you personally learn the proof.
But, yes, the implication is intelligent design, and a fundamental limitation on human intelligence and our ability (or rather lack of) to compute reality. Our computational architecture simply isn't capable of performing the necessary operations, no matter how hard we try. You might as well ask your dog to do your homework rather than eat it.
Godel proved that it was futile, and that realisation allowed him to stop trying (saving his sanity). He cured his own depression and spent the rest of his life in contentment. One might say he took the black pill and came out the other side.

As for the bottom of the glass, search for it in DNA. An elementary understanding of DNA convinces many that intelligent design is unnecessary. A deeper understanding puts you back at square one. The TEV doesn't explain how DNA was created. Only what it did *after* it's creation (similar to big bang theory).
Intelligent design is the simplest explanation.
You still have to make a giant leap from ID to "God", however. God might as well be a dude weed CS student's final year lab project.

>>139856518
Genius requires thinking outside-the-lines, which tends to also mean living outside-the-lines.

The Tesla protege Eric Dollard who replicated Tesla's FTL comms and energy synthesis. Also an alcoholic pothead that lives in a station wagon out in the desert.

>>139856809
What about Diogenes?

>>139856900
Not familiar, but I'm guessing cut from the same cloth.
Seems to be a common motif across history. The photo-op friendly salesman and the behind-the-scenes inventor (Jobs vs Wozniak even)

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This is how we will win.

>>139845304
>OSI model
7 heavens, each abstraction layer is a 'heaven'
>kernel
truth
>daemons
Duh

Theology totally had no influence on CS...

>>139855504
But Japan is atheist I heard?

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>>139848695
There is nothing wrong with the genius from autism.

>>139857816
>to smart to function

>>139857973
Smaller frontal lobe.
The frontal lobe is where "personality" and emotion is.

>>139855701
lol at this assmad fedora admitting he can't into modal logic.
>>139856687
The computed proofs are linked itt
>you have to make a leap from id to God.
Nobody actually believes ID, most normal people and scientists just believe in God prima facie.

>>139857542
Japan is Japanese

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>>139856355
Not an argument.
>>139858971
Not an argument.

>>139859426
And America is American.

>>139859508
Not an argument either.

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>>139839046
>Doesn't know that the Christians are the real Jews

Romans 2:28-29 King James Version
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

>>139842141
isn't this Aquinas?

>>139859729
That kid is like 15 give him a break.

reminder that you can go to hell even without believing in it

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>>139856687
>You still have to make a giant leap from ID to "God",
I disagree. God is a way more logical assertion than ID. If you look at modern evolution sims there's no intelligent design there after you create the seed and allow it to run. Death is the true God at this level since Death is what filters out the unperforming sprites/neuralnets.
But then again, an intelligent being created the seed from which Death was able to be an agent in the evolution sim.
>He cured his own depression and spent the rest of his life in contentment
My moment came when I stumbled upon this article:
https://ieet.org/index.php/IEET2/print/12092
>we don’t so much find meaning as transcend the very need for it.

>>139860438
lol he does look like him you're right
Aquinas reborn.

>>139840719
mine also ends with stein
I dont know anyone in my family who was jewish, i have a romans nose, and im a pure alpinid
No signs of Kikery in my looks or morals
I served in the army and im a hard worker
You are not a jew only by having such a name