What are some good arguments against leftism, socialism,

An economics textbook contains those arguments

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>>139773235
None, conservatism is one of the stupidest ideologies anyone can think of

hurrr durrr let the free market sort it out, give tax cuts the rich

in a perfect world sanders would be president and we get new deal 2.0.

Senile old Faggot socialist who crap their pants !

>>139773235
Bernie Sanders is the savior of the white race

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>>139773235
Socialism is about Jews ruling over the goyim like cattle.

>>139773235

>leftism

Too broad a term.

>socialism

Too many variations to group them all in one criticism box.

>faggotism

Elaborate.

You really fucked the OP didn't you?

>>139773235
Venezuela

>>139773235
Nigga that question is way the fuck too broad.

Bring up a specific policy, talking point, or position of the left and a proper discussion could happen.

the money always runs out, because these isms are based on looting and redistribution, not productivity.

There is nothing wrong being a faggot. Let the faggotry overtake you. snag a cute white twink that'll do your every bidding & will watch your 10 white children, cook you food, rub your back and tell you how important you are

>>139774373
>not productivity.

but us productivity since he 1970s has gone up as we cut government and reduced wages.

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>>139773235
A long string of failures since 1917.
One century went by and still these faggots don't understand that it's better to not try that shit.

>>139774438

>tfw when you hit 30 years old and finally realize this is what you want most in life....

>>139773235
Stealing is wrong.

>>139774003
>>139774274
these guys are only saying it's too broad because they like national socialism >>139774373
>libertarian spotted
do some basic economics friendo
>>139774513
>implying communism is the same as socialism

There isn't too much wrong with socialism OP, apart from people want to pay less tax and some people want government policy to be centered on racism (aka /pol/)

>>139774479

My father used to work on the Ford production line back in the 1960's. The planets were massive and hired tens of thousands of workers on one site.

Today? A modern car production plant is 2-3 times more productive and has only hundreds of workers, if that.

It's not because "less government" or "reduced wages", but because the advances in technology meant that machines gradually took more and more of the work load.

Technology increases productivity.

>>139774839
ever heard of a road, school, hospital, policeman or fireman?
retarded 'I took 1 economics course and think I understand the economy' spotted

>>139775092
>The planets were massive and hired tens of thousands of workers on one site.
did your dad work on the death star?

>>139775092
>Technology increases productivity.

but not wages, so again the solution is government intervention aka Sanders style socialism.

>>139774903
>>139775107
I don't even know where to begin with you.

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>>139774903

What is "leftism" exactly? Socially progressives? The Communist Party of Greece is considered Far-left and is Marxist-leninist, but is opposed to Gay marriage.

I said the term was too broad because it is. Saying "left" and "right" does literally nothing to the question but make it unanswerable.

>>139775197

Got me there, I'm actually an interdimensional shape-shifting reptilian child molester.

>>139775313
lol that picture is a complete lie. The top tax bracket was 80-90% back then. But yeah keep on getting your history from memes
>>139775269
>Bring up a specific policy, talking point, or position of the left and a proper discussion could happen.
how about starting there faggot
>>139775241
werd

>>139775519
>how about starting there faggot
I'm not the one asking the question, faggot.

No replacement for price mechanism - central planning is a disaster.

Based on 'blank slate' assumptions of human nature - all just interchangeable cogs, all equal. Assumes there can be no shortage of experts and skilled workers in the Communst utopia, we'll just train up 80 IQ Abdullah and Shaniqa to do your brain surgery!

The full homo 'lifestyle' is a disease incubator and injection vector into the wider society.

Leftists are low quality people, dishonest, neurotic, out of shape utopians who will create a pile of skulls to try and calm their internalised sense of victimhood.

>>139775519
You're the one lying. The meme speaks. You didn't even offer a rebuttal

>>139775438
I assume he's not talking about identity politics, as that's a pretty new thing to become politicised. But if you really want to know the fundamental difference....

Left is more government services, higher spending, higher taxation, vaguely socially progressive

Right is less government services, less spending, lower taxes and socially conservative.

In theory the right want the government to interfere less in people's private lives. But the right in America is weird becuase it's anti abortion, anti gay marriage, which is interefering in people's personal lives

>>139775269
You begin by not responding.

This person obviously has a learning disability, as does anybody who thought the Sanders platform was workable without bankrupting the country's middle-class core (as it is exactly designed to achieve under Agenda 22).

>>139775923
Retardation the post!

>>139776022
>Sanders platform was workable without bankrupting the country's middle-class core

Yes like FDR did, oh wait.....

>>139775926
can you prove it other than a meme.
I offered a rebuttal, you now need to back up your statement to have any credibility in this thread

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>>139776022
Alt-right, more like alt-kike

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>>139773235
It starves people, it spreads disease and degeneracy, and it always ends up fucking the citizens over in the long run.

>>139773475
(you)

>>139776022
>calls me reatrded
>posting under kekistan flag

>calls me retarded
>spitting out GOP talking points about sanders as a rebuttal
How about an original thought sweeite

>>139773235
There are no arguments. Soviet Russia (for all it's problems) had better architecture, filmmakers, writers, products, scientists, less degenerate culture, etc. They even competed well economically while having a severe population and industry disadvantage, all while being nearly destroyed during WWII.
Capitalism offers nothing but banality and larping jewry.

>>139775107
Fee for service, retard. And you literally know nothing about me.

>>139776178
>orange tip showing

2/10 would not bang

>>139776178
>it always ends up fucking the citizens over in the long run.

says the poor guy who votes for tax cuts to the rich

>>139775995

>In theory the right want the government to interfere less in people's private lives. But the right in America is weird becuase it's anti abortion, anti gay marriage, which is interefering in people's personal lives

I don't even have to respond, you did it yourself: the terms are so vague and contradictory at times that they become almost meaningless unless you're a 80IQ nigger, generally speaking.

Unsustainable

>>139776389
ah you're a retarded libertarian
try getting some basic economics under your belt then come back

>>139773235
dont touch my things

stop arguing, you wont convince them, just use ur actual working brain and make money

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>>139776131
1913 is an important year. Tragic. Fuck the feds

>>139776441

yeah but if someone identifies as right wing you can say with 90% certainty what they believe about certain hot-button issues.

Just because they are logically inconsistent doesn't mean that people who identify as left or right have reltaively homogenous beliefs

Politics is people, it's what people believe, and people are divided rn. There's never been a clearer distinction between right and left. It's easy and lazy to say the distinction is too blurred but it simply isn't true

>>139776854
is that meant to be proof? Didn't see anything there about the tax rate

Or did you realise that you were lying and are now desperately trying to pivot to the fed

Do you really want a DMV-type organization to control major aspects of your life?

>>139776546
Ah you're a poor little basement dweller that probably hacks people's hard earned banking accounts and claims it's yours. GTFO Bernie bro. Being taxed to death and having our paychecks cut in half for lazy scum is the reason why whites don't want children. We can't afford it. Luckily I live in a red state & it's cheap.

>>139777041
do you really want comapnies like monsanto and glaxo smith klein teaching our children?

This is the problem with retard libertarians, they don't understand the alternative

>>139777013
You fag the Feds are the reason we're taxed up the ass in the first place

Do you know what income tax is? Do you know how to balance a check? GTFO fag

>>139777194
yeah not surprised you live in a cheap state, you sound like it
Don't worry you don't have to refute my arguments in a substantive way. Just realise you lied and you get your history from memes and move on with your life.
ps I'm glad you don't want children. We don't want stupid people to breed do we?

>>139777369
you realise almost all countries have income tax and don't have a fed? seriously you have so little understanding of economics and the basics of taxation, stop trying to sound like an expert, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself

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>>139776430
I'm not poor? Also this whole "hurrdurrr tax cuts for the rich" meme needs to die. I'm in favor of tax cuts. Tax cuts for everyone which just so happens to be what normally happens. I'm also in favor of less business regulations and red-tape to create more jobs (which it always does). What I will vote AGAINST every time is jealous and envious kikes (aka the left) who can't play the capitalism game correctly so they point at everyone else and say "I deserve what you worked for" or they have to rig the game so obviously in their favor (affirmative action, etc) that it's not a surprise when a few of them actually do become successful. The problem is the left so clearly and obviously cares more about non-Americans than they do about actual citizens that their hypocrisy and bullshit rhetoric just drives me away every time. I'm also not in favor of an enormous federal government nor will I subscribe to a political party that comes out and literally says "we don't need white people." You don't need me, I don't need you. On top of all that these "sanctuary cities" where illegal immigrants are allowed to hide out, rape, and kill people are an invention of the left. They're detestable child-fucking degenerates and until they clean their shit up they'll never get my vote.

>>139777411
That's okay, because those blue states are being swallowed up by refugees, welfare blacks and wetbacks. Can't wait to watch California turn into Detroit. Silicone valley is slowly going over seas/Canada and moving to Texas. I'm sitting pretty. Just got back from a cruise in Miami. While you're living the squatter life at mummy's house. I spit on people like you. Get a job or kys trash

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>>139773235
Leftism bankrupts freedom of thought and freedom of speech and freedom of movement of a society, at the expense it's core caste, to insulate the safety and rule and income of it's elite caste.

Socialism bankrupts the public and private infrastructures of a society and keep it's citizens docile, at the expense of it's core caste, to insulate the safety and rule and income of it's elite caste.

Faggotism bankrupts the moral fiber and birth rate and social cohesion of a society, at the expense of it's core caste, to insulate the safety and rule and income of it's elite caste.

>>139777578
Did you know there's states in America doing amazing with NO income tax? GTFO fag

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>>139777907
I wish I lived in New Hampshire.
They still have pretty much freedom of everything.
I hope they still don't mandate car and home owners insurance and shit like that either.

>>139777719
wow you swallow up the cable news talking points like it's tendies don't you.
The people not playing by the rules in a way which really harms society are the people/companies that aren't paying the tax they ought to be paying at the moment, through tax loopholes. The tax intake of the government would be much more if the jews at the top paid their fair share.
The solution to this is sensible regulation of these massive companies. But everytime you vote right you're voting for less oversight, more lazy corruption and casual undermining of the system
Yet you've swallowed the whole 'entitled liberals want my $5000 savings account'
Nah, liberals want Facebook and Google to actually contribute to the USA tax bill
But yeah call the other side degenerates. That's what hannity and ann coulter want you to do

>>139777816
>back from a cruise in Miami
White trash confirmed

>>139777907
>new hampshire
>center of the heroin epidemic

Yeah sounds like it's doing great pal, would love to live there

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>>139778355
I've always wanted to visit there. The South is my home & don't have intentions on leaving here permanently. If home is calling there ain't nothing wrong going back for a bit :)

>>139778372
Confirmed untraveled, unlearned teenage edgelord.
The only real trash in Dade County are the illegals, Brah.

>>139774220
>Memezuela

>>139778372
Call me white trash if you want. Me and my friends saved up $5k each. You deflected this whole time. You're a loser and always will be one. Kys now and do us all a favor

>>139774373
Nice meme.

>>139774839
What's funny is that the two governments that have abolished direct taxation were both Marxist-Leninist.

>>139778460
Oh shut the fuck up. Just because there's an epidemic don't mean everyone's doing it. There's a violent black epidemic down here in the south & I'm doing just fine. Trash. Why haven't you kys yet

>>139773235
"Leftism is not leftism anymore, it's a mask for ultra-capitalism agenda, they fucked you, you are totally brainwashed, you're like nazis, but greenwashed"

"Socialism has been shut down by liberal instances like gender, race and other bullshit"

"faggotism: you can try putting your dick in your same asshole all the time, but you simply can't"

"faggotism 2: go home or i'll punch you, bitch"

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>>139773475
This guy actually believes this

>>139778460
it is, new hampshire and new england in general are great places to live.

>>139778460
>not knowing that the heart of all drug epidemics in the us lies on the doorsteps of Langley, D.C., and The Pentagon
>being so naive

>>139778702
>>139778896
I love how you guys just go for the personal attack when you're proven wrong.
The south sounds lovely, full of illegals and blacks from what you've said.
But tell me again about how slightly higher taxation on ultra-rich people is offensive to your gentle southern soul. It's everyone else who's been conditioned by the main stream media, not you, becuase you watch Fox

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>>139778372
Nigger, you keep trying to imply that I'm poor which for the second time I am not. You're also making huge leaps and assumptions in logic that really make me wonder if you have a head injury of some sort. Voting right doesn't mean you're against big companies paying taxes at all. You know what I don't give 2 shits about? Someone else's shit. I work for my own, I bust my ass to do so, and I'm somewhat successful. What makes me sick to my stomach is all these asshole kids on the left that feel like someone else owes them something. Burn it all down because you made dumbass decisions like taking a useless degree, going 100k in debt then becoming unemployable because all you know how to do is whine about "oppression." Time to burn the whole loan system down and destroy the banks while we're at it. No. Are you also implying that leftists aren't degenerate fucking idiots? Trannies are degenerate. NAMBLA is degenerate. Their behavior and actions corrupt and destroy children and the push of cultural marxism is the antithesis to the freedoms of our country. There's a reason people become more conservative the older they get. It's because they hit the real world and understand how things actually work not some bullshit a women's studies professor told them about the world.

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>>139779353
lol okay so heroin is the governments fault now
>>139779121
dunno about you but I don't want to live where everyone is dying off from overdoses and everyone has noxolone on them.
But hey, at least you vote first in the primaries right?

>>139775313
This is a literal meme. We've always had taxes. The significance of 1913 is the introduction of the federal income tax in peacetime. There was a federal income tax on high incomes during the Civil War, and state governments had imposed income tax and other taxes for years before then.

>>139777041
Honestly private companies aren't much better in terms of bureaucracy.

>>139779426
Never said left wing loonies aren't nuts. But you're countering a point about slightly higher rates of taxation and more government spending with a tirade about how much you hate entitled kids who have arts degrees. The only reason you conflate these two is because you watch dumb right wing MSM like Fox, which conflates these two all the time even though they're entirely different issues.

So the fact that you swallow MSM kool-aid and repeat it on 4chan, plus the fact you brag about cruises in Miami, plus the fact you really want me to believe you are rich, implies to me that you are poor

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>>139779371
You haven't "proven" any one thing in this entire thread, except for just how much of a thirsty moron you can be.

All three ideologies listed by OP have, not once in the known history of mankind, every NOT bankrupted and destroyed an otherwise successful society. End of discussion, Kiddo.

And don't try to drag a "where's the proof" starwman through my lawn either, easily sourced history is the proof, and you'd best start reading up on it if you ever wanna pass 3rd period Government Class, Boo-Boo-Kitty-Fuck.

>>139779426
That graphic just means that people who were that age at the time the study was done are likely to hold those political views. People don't necessarily get conservative as they age. What's more, the "Faith and Family Left" category is higher in old people than in young people.

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>>139779954
Nigger now you're trying to slip in "more government spending" you're transparent as fuck
>what is obamacare
>what is solyndra
>what is an obamaphone
You can't seriously try to launch this argument with a sitting Republican president who's cut more debt than any president in history over a longer period of time. I'm not conflating or confusing anything. I didn't brag about any cruise in Miami or even bring Miami up so you're either responding to the wrong person or legitimately fucking loony (which only serves to further prove my point). The point I was making was that taxes aren't the only metric that people base their vote on and you're an intellectual infant for implying that in the first place. Get the fuck off /pol/ honestly you're one stupid motherfucker.

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>>139773235
>What are some good arguments against leftism, socialism, and faggotism?
Weak men create bad times. You need strong men in order to build and maintain a civilization. If there are no strong men, civilization crumbles and the result is chaos, anarchy and suffering. Leftism, socialism and faggotry create weak men, therefore are detrimental to our civilization - and ourselves.

>>139780532
this goalpost move

lol

>>139780149
>not once in the known history of mankind, every NOT bankrupted and destroyed an otherwise successful society

Sweden, Norway, Denmark, post WW2 Britain, Germany
Currently successful socialist states. The right just like to point to the South American shit shows, but they're barely governments, never mind examples of ideology
>easily sourced history is the proof, and you'd best start reading up on it
Mate by the sounds of it you best start reading. You seem to just watch Fox news. Feels like I'm arguing with that cunt from 'the five'

>>139779531
Perpetuating wars to flood both legal and illegal industries with easily sourced poppy crop yields is exactly the deep state government's fault, since the days of the Korean Police Action.

Largest yields in Afghanistan for the last 6 years running! Our ground troops are constantly getting orders to police and protect those fields, all behind the average, dumb public citizen's back.

This is, BY FAR, not new info, son.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW2YWqVpT4E

See, your problem, on this board, is going to be that we do have and source facts.

>>139780532
my bad, Miami was the post beneath yours
>he point I was making was that taxes aren't the only metric that people base their vote on
never disputed that. But your definition of socialism seems to be:
>Trannies are degenerate. NAMBLA is degenerate. Their behavior and actions corrupt and destroy children and the push of cultural marxism is the antithesis to the freedoms of our country.

And I'm saying that isn't socialism. Your definition of socialism is from the Fox News definition. So read a book maybe friendo

>>139780679
>Mate by the sounds of it you best start reading.
>You seem to just watch Fox news.
Oh so we have just been getting yelled at by a 16 year old that started pretending to care about politics last month.

>>139780679
The trifecta of europian regions that currently have terrorism, no-go-zones, and whoms' citizens are all in economic ans employment slumps and have to fall back on inferior gubbment gibs. Brava!

>>139781020
>proof
>posts youtube channel with 2k subsribers which edits RT clips together

wow what objective sources you have there anon. You are such a well read scholar

So it's the 'deep states' fault that 20-something white kids in new hampshire go out and buy heroin from a dealer.
I thought you were all about personal freedoms anon, or maybe the government should try and regulate some of this stuff....

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>>139773235
refunds are a capitalist invention.

>>139781497
again fox news talking points.
You realise all that no-go zones and stuff is bullshit right? I was in sweden last month, lovely place
>>139781372
sure tell yourself that rather than engage with the point

>>139781372
And has no clue how posting works.
Summer break is over, better be hittin' those books (or maybe start working on a technical cert instead), Buckaroo.
>>139781154

>>139781768
>You realise all that no-go zones and stuff is bullshit right? I was in sweden last month, lovely place
>muh anecdotes

>>139781768
Side note: do you understand the flag you are using? Did you forget to change it after larping elsewhere, or did you forget to change it for your larp in this thread?

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>>139781154
I never said NAMBLA and trannies define socialism but they're just as degenerate as anybody who swallows "socialism will work this time" dumbfuckery. If you're now trying to say socialism is what defines the left there is just too much information out there to tell you you're a fucking retard. You must not have been around /pol/ during the elections because we were absolutely cracking up when Bernie tried to say Venezuela was great and pushing the US to be more like Venezuela while the entire country was burning to the ground. Your arguments gone from "republicans don't want taxes for the rich" to "republicans spend more government money" to "socialism will totally work guys." All provably wrong on their face. How the fuck do you think we got 20 trillion in debt over the past 8 years you incredibly dumb schmuck?

>>139774116
Nice post kikeman

>>139773475
if you get something you did not work for,somebody god nothing for work he did.

>>139781891
>And has no clue how posting works.
says the guy who posts youtube videos of RT clips to prove the USA government is hooking everyone on heroin. Yeah I'm the naive one

>>139782207
>republicans don't want taxes for the rich
this is wrong?
>"republicans spend more government money
never said that, but:
> How the fuck do you think we got 20 trillion in debt over the past 8 years you incredibly dumb schmuck?
you realise the books went from a surplus to a massive debt under a republican right?

>socialism will totally work guys
So is Norway and Sweden not socialist?

>>139780664
Also I'm not the idiot who moved the goalpost, dipshit. Scroll up and read.

>>139773235
None. The faggots and liberals are all down in Houston right now giving away the treasure of the nation to an act of God that should be allowed to play itself out naturally.

Now that we have them all in one place, we should nuke it.

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>>139781768
>no-go zones and stuff is bullshit right?
Mm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J04Ej1DYO4o
https://youtu.be/ODw7o34Vdbk
https://youtu.be/GqYG4p3Vicw
https://youtu.be/Y597ZkuhhsA
https://youtu.be/47K_vQwwe2o
https://youtu.be/-wkePk1-1IE
https://youtu.be/KSGuzv-2qUY

I mean, I never did directly label you a retard, buuut...

>>139783250
oh great more youtube videos of race baiting channels with 100 subscribers

Can't believe I have to spell this out to you again but:

shitty youtube videos =/= objective facts

>>139783034
RT willingly provides sources to everything they report on, or blatantly informs the viewer when a source wishes to remain anonymous, unlike whatever American leftists jew controlled MSM bug-juice they have you on at your public school.

>>139783766
Ah okay so RT is the objective news source now
They don't have any agenda at all do they anon
Non
At
All

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>>139773235
If you want to actually convert people away, point out to them how any power will invariably be corrupted or used in a way that they don't want it to be. Point to all of the failed communist states, but don't frame their issues as issues as communism, but issues with the nature of humanity. Point to how stuff like Obama expanded the idea of executive orders to use them for things that they agree with backfired when Trump took office and started using EOs for shit that they hate. You've got to always assume that any power granted to others will be used against you.

>>139783708
>more uncensored film of muslims chimping out in no-go zones

Nice attempt at a proto-narrative, though.
I do enjoy that your role-play does actually mimic what regressives will swallow as "the truth" anymore, just to a vaudevillian degree at this point :/

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>>139783034
Nigger this is the problem with lefties and why everyone thinks you're all idiots. There's literally no way to compare any previous president's debt to obamas. No way. The guy added more to our national debt than all previous presidents combined with his little failures like cash for clunkers and solyndra. Failure after failure.
>Is Norway and Sweden socialist?
Is Norway or Sweden a homogeneous country with a tiny population? Is Norway or Sweden the US? Do they have a population of 320,000,000? Oh right. The problem with you idiots is you don't realize that socialism does not scale up at all. Every time it tries to the people starve to death. You're also negating the fact that socialism is a means to an end goal of communism. The ride doesn't slow down when you start moving in that direction. The reason countries like Sweden and Norway haven't completely collapsed or brought about a dictator yet is specifically because they're part of the EU that has overtly-capitalistic countries like the UK propping them up. It's not rocket science. What the fuck do you even think Brexit was all about? You're very clearly an uninformed retard.

>>139773235
"No one likes faggots"

>>139773235
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

>>139783923
I don't know where you can claim I tried to say or hide some agenda by RT, I think their agenda is reporting things factually and not allowing for much spin or any propagandizing.

But keep whipping out your pathetic internet dick that is shaped exactly like a man made out of straw!

By this point you've already proven yourself to be worth nobodies' time.

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>>139784155
>There's literally no way to compare any previous president's debt to obamas
see picture. Also remember Obama gave a trillion dollar bail out to private industry because of the financial crash that happened under a republican president because of a deregulated housing market.

Also I'm lolling at how you just did what you accuse lefties of doing
>gets confronted with examples of successful socialist societies
>'not THAT kind of socialism, that isn't REAL socialism'

>>139784540
bit weird how an explicit foreign policy of Russia is to undermine the USA's faith in democracy, and you post a video of RT trying the undermine the USA government by implicating them in stupid conspiracies

No, no agenda at all, just a committment to reporting things factually

You must live in a real echo chamber

It sounds great till you ask who pays for it or it runs out of other peoples money

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>>139784218
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-jane-sanders-under-fbi-investigation-for-bank-fraud-hire-lawyers/

:D

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>>139784573
>ignoring the very real fact that socialist countries cannot and do not survive without going full commie, starving their people, or having capitalist countries propping them up.
Ok, guess we're done here. Bernie 2020 guize.

>>139784573
>republican president because of a deregulated housing market.
if you're referencing glass steagall act's partial repeal, then that's actually a Bill Clinton thing.

>>139784781
>>139784573
No, see, (royal) we're done with you, Sweety.

#sorrynotsorry

>>139784993
this was debunked mere hours before cbs published their article

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>>139784993
I see Bernie is a car guy. At least something to like about him.

>>139781768

>You realise all that no-go zones and stuff is bullshit right?

The no-go zones were about police activity. 80% of police officers in Sweden are considering quitting their jobs.

Every day 3 police officers quit. The total number of employees of the Swedish police force is 28,000, of which over a quarter aren't actually police officers that are active on the streets.

Hand Grenade attacks have increased from zero to dozens in less than 10 years,rapes are 3 times the European average (some of which comes from the different definition of the term between countries' parliaments.

It's not bullshit at all.

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>>139785116
you think sweden and norway need propping up by the EU?
see pic
Top contributors are Denmark, Finland and Sweden, the most socialist countries in Europe.

They're the ones propping up everyone else

Again, get ur facts straight rather than reading off the fox news talking points

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>>139784573
Another obamatard who is literally too fucking stupid to know that congress writes the laws. The president does not. Fucking imbecile: "Bush deregulated the housing market." No faggot, LIBERAL CONGRESS said the housing market had to give loans to niggers and spics who would default because otherwise it was "racism."

Consider yourself BTFO. Now fuck off back to peddit.

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how do i debate against atheists?

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>>139773235
Leftism and socialism can be eternally BTFO with: property rights.
If a socialist thinks stealing is fine, they wouldn't object to being stolen from. You can demand their shirt and shoes and they will refuse, making the hypocrisy simple enough for even their brain damaged selves to identify. If they don't think stealing is okay, they have a fundamental problem when it comes to the redistribution of anything.
If they then are willing to be taxed to support welfare, that's charity. If they're going to hold a gun to the opposition's head and demand they be more charitable, that's stealing.

>>139773235
doesn't work

>>139785361
so you're conflating swedish police not being happy in their jobs with the immigrants? And then somehow relating that to how socialism is bad?
I don't get your logic at all

>>139785136
That's cool I'm done with you, enjoy your echo chamber kekigay

>>139785429
whatever, you still can't say that he increased the debt more than Bush
I know you reeeeeeeeeeeallly want to say that he did
But the objective facts show he didn't
Sorry sweetie

>>139773235
>Soviet Russia
>Chinese starvation
>Venezuelan crisis
>Cuba
>east vs. West Germany
I mean, what could go wrong?

>>139785871
>communist
>communist
>communist
>communist
>communist
>checkmate socialists

This is a thread about socialism, not communism

>>139784573
>deregulated housing market
>Community Reinvestment Act

Pick ONE. Banks were forced to give out the subprime mortgages, because not doing so was deemed racist by the Democrats.

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Democratic socialism is actually worse than " real " socialism. These spineless " progressives " spend money but hardly raise taxes, certainly not enough to cover their spending.
So what happens? They still take money from the wealthy. But they borrow it. With interest. So these so called progressives actually enslave us to the wealthy more than a neo con that cuts taxes for the rich.

Look at all this Obama spent. All with interest to the rich. So progressive.

I'll respect a real socialist like Hitler who forcefully cuts off the nations debt and btfo's all the fat cats sitting on billions and billions of interest


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>>139773235
Bring up Venezuela

>>139773235
all of history. Socialism has never worked once, and the fact that lefties still push it is the very definition of insanity (doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result).

The Federalist Papers and Yuri Bezmenov.

>>139786146
>forced to give out the subprime mortgage
Patently false. At least understand what you're talking about before spewing retarded shit.

>>139786001
Wasn't it Lenin who said the goal of socialism is communism? Why yes, I'm quote confident that was Lenin.

In practice there is no significant difference between socialism and communism. They use the same degenerate tactics with the same intent and speak the same retarded language or delusional bullshit.

>>139786001
>this is a thread about apples, not apples

Aha.

>>139776313
>sweeite
Oh no son, don't do that now

>>139785677

>so you're conflating swedish police not being happy in their jobs with the immigrants? And then somehow relating that to how socialism is bad?
>I don't get your logic at all

I wasn't responding to anything to do with "Socialism", just that Sweden's crime rate due to high levels of unchecked immigration is high and their "progressive" (regressive) social agenda of "white people are the problem that can be fixed with lots of rapist arab muslims". That in itself isn't a feature of even a notable minority of socialist thought.

Lenin was a Marxist, and that Marxist-Socialism is the intermediary stage between capitalism and Communism is true in their own theory, but where western education as a whole falls short is that it cannot differentiate between Marxism and Socialism, despite the fact that the idea and word "socialism" predates Marx by decades. Socialism isn't neccesarily marxist in nature, National Socialism for instance was anti-marxist is virtually every way.

>>139773235
The first thing you must understand about people who lean left is that they believe in equality at all costs. So a basic response is to question if they seriously think that everyone is equal and if they deserve the same things. Hierarchy is inevitable, we discriminate constantly regarding looks, intelligence, hard work and ability. The next logical step is to argue that some of that is inherited genetically and is reinforced socially.

Another argument is that change isn't necessarily progress. Preserving traditions help to make our society function the way it is now and excessive reform contributes to disorder and chaos. There is wisdom in the past and we should listen to the dead and respect their vision of the future.

>>139787510
We're gonna be back to slavery soon enough.

>>139785677

Discount the second paragraph of >>139788599
, was meant for another reply.

>>139787720
Lenin was a Marxist, and that Marxist-Socialism is the intermediary stage between capitalism and Communism is true in their own theory, but where western education as a whole falls short is that it cannot differentiate between Marxism and Socialism, despite the fact that the idea and word "socialism" predates Marx by decades. Socialism isn't necessarily Marxist in nature, National Socialism for instance was anti-Marxist is virtually every way.

>>139788599
Ya know, I wish there was some kind of button you could press on here that would report a criminally ridiculous amount of stupidity from a person to the staff...

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>>139773235
This is a logical one

>C'mon bro don't be a pussy.

It is far more effective than engaging in actual argument. You just have to say it the right way. Don't accuse people just like say it in a way that sounds like you're really worried about their well-being.

>>139789154

Care to elaborate on what you're even talking about, other than just ad hominem spam?

>>139778372
But this has nothing to do with regulation ?

It's solely related to the tax code. All of it is legal. A simplified tax code or lower tax rate is the solution.

These companies do pay taxes - just not in the US, which is simply good business practice.

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>>139789899
Haha, you're that other idiot, super.

Everything I've said is clearly sourced, by among other things - history, and perfectly legible to everybody else. Have fun talking to yourself for whatever remains of the thread!