Do you genuinly believe Europe could become a bunch of caliphates,

yes and no... some area's will be flooded over.... Germanastan.... sweedenastan... franceastan.... but other areas will stand it will cause an all out war at some point

>>139714818
Why would I want it to get that bad?

Why are there Muslims in Europe anyway?

>>139714818
Where in history have any large population of muslims left the middle east and not at least attempted to take over

>>139714818
>Poland red
>Czechya red
>Switzerland red
>Austria not

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England, France, Germany and Sweden have already fallen to the Caliphate

It isn't going to happen - it's happening now

No, but in a few decades many European countries will become like Lebanon. Or Bosnia.
Even worse, because in both cases Muslims and Christians in these countries share a lot. Muslims in West and natives are rather foreign cultures.

>Implying Europe hasn't gone through worse things than this
this fear mongering is pathetic at best

Rapid demographic shift leads to major problems. I tried to tell you but no one listens to poor old irrelevant Serbia.

>>139714818
well the idea is that since the muslims are not assimilating, yet the mass immigration is only planning to expand while white birthrates are tiny that in the near future there will be two extremely different cultures competing for their interests in most european countries and since whites are taught that violence and aggression is evil and muslims are taught well, look at the middleast right now, that the muslims will win and establish dominance over europe, however more realistically europe would just be split open by russia and america looking to "fight terrorism" and restart the post ww2 breton woods system that brought them so much wealth and save their dying economies

>>139715136
jews?

>>139714818
Why is my country a caliphate and austria isn't? Was this made by an american?

>>139715194
>>139715244
So you think there will be a majority of religious muslims in Europe, lets say in next 50 years?

>>139714818
France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, England, Sweden - definetely, its just a matter of time. Wait a decade or so...
Balanks probably wont be affected, cause.. who wants to live in the balkansa.
Eastern Europe is way to based.
And other countries just arent as interesting to shitskins.

another Reconquista will be required

>>139715313
Majority? Majority? One is too many.

>>139715204
The last time there was this much black skin on European soil was the bubonic plague, and it wiped out 2/3 of Europe

>>139714818
do you genuinely not understand the importance of birthrates ?

>>139715257
But how exactly would muslims win?
Radical muslims hold no position of power, neither in politics, nor in the media, nor in army/police.
You might point on some politicians with muslim roots, but those are certanly not radical muslims

>>139715456
I do, but I believe many right-wing underestimate muslim integration and the attractivness of western life-style

>>139715613
implying any muslim is not a radical
> fuck off shitskin

>>139715613
its very easy for someone to become radical, in anything. people behave in cultural groups, and if that group is threatened by competing interests of another group it will defend itself by springing up radicals. there is only so much resources, and so much room, you will have to ask one group to give up their own for another and that creates conlict

>>139715613
There is no such thing as a radical muslim. Muslim is a muslim, either hes gonna slit your throat or parade someone else to do it for him.

>>139715729
Large numbers of people DO NOT INTEGRATE.

>>139715278
Kek. They're the experts at it. They don't try, they succeed, with inferior numbers at that.

>>139715779
If such a conflict ever came up, I would imagine that the group which controls the politics, media, police and army would win
You probably know that muslims in Europe are mostly lower class, and it is basically impossible for a radical muslim to gain a high position in western society

>>139714818
It's nonsense.

Shouldn't Europe already be a Christian/Catholic caliphate? It's not, because most people don't want to live in a theocracy. Only a small handful of nutjubs do.

>>139715800
this

yes.

>>139714818
Just Germany and Sweden, when it turns into a caliphate the rest will move there and the problem is contained. this is the end game.

>>139715800
Is the same true for Christians aswell?

>>139715868
well see, as the percentage of muslims grows so will the potential for radicals and sympathizers in government. i mean you could have a situation where the structures of power were all dominated by white men even if the demographics of the state didnt match but how long do you think that would last with the current political climate of equality and structural racism? and even still you have to keep them from just creating literal enclaves in your country that do not obey your authority at all

>>139716010
When was the last time you saw a christian blow him self up or celebrate people dying?

>>139716178
Sure, enclaves and paralell societies are very bad, but I can't see how they could lead to a coup.
You need to control police and military if you want control the country, and I simply dont see a way how radical muslims could achieve that in the west

>>139714818
The 2040 great european islamic war

Attackers:
> European Algeria
> Germanistan
> Swedistan
> Greater Molenbeek
> Bosnia
> Denmark

Defenders:
> Ireland
> Portugal
> Poland
> Czech Republic
> Hungary
> Slovenia
> Slovakia
> Serbia
> Romania
> Croatia
> Finland
> Ukraine

In Civil war with islamic factions:
> Spain
> United Cuckdom
> Norway
> Greece
> Italy
> Russia

>>139716232
I didn't but I read about European christians burning witches, and African christians burn witches to this day.
But it doesn't mean that all Christians support witch burning, does it?

it will all burn.....
the usa will have a civil war as well
> don't count are ass in to save you

>>139714818
>believe
Its not a question of faith its just logical continuation of existing trends. They out breed you out of majority by 2050, elect a string of muslim presidents who will change constitutions and make islam a state religion.

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>>139714818
>retards giving Muslims way more credit then they deserve
I don't understand why you mouth breathers keep insisting on doing this. Muslims are not unified - and I don't mean just in terms of the Sunni/Shia split. Creation of countries in the ME hasn't just divided it physically. Quite literally every state in the ME has their own Islam in the sense that its politics are all different, with the most infamous being wahhabism. For a caliphate to exist, you would need an Ummah (complete unity among Muslims) and that just aint happening.

Muslims are also largely lazy and unmotivated. The expectation on children in the average Muslim household is going to school and finding a decent job - not praying regularly and reading the Quran. Hell if the kid said 'Hey I want to be an Islamic scholar', the parents would lose their shit and ask how in the hell he expects to make a living. Establishing a caliphate for these types of people is quite literally beyond them.

So stop giving them so much ideological credit, like how they take over countries slowly or build fucking caliphates. They aren't smart or motivated enough to accomplish such things.

>>139716446
norway is safe imo they cant stand that much cold

How is the situation in Ireand? Are there many illeagl immigrants?

>>139714818
If Europeans lose the approaching and inevitable civil war against mudslime invaders then yes - Europe (at least some parts of it) becomes caliphate

>>139716839
I agree. If Muslims had the motivation and organization to take over, then Middle East wouldn't be such a shithole in the first place.

>>139715137
i know right ? OP is not sober ^^

>>139716323
They don't lead to a coup, they will lead to sharia law being voted in via democracy.

All muslims need to do is to keep breeding, take every gib they can from the gov and keep showing support for cucked liberal/socialist parties that support uncontrolled immigration from islamic nations + hate speech/anti islamophobia laws

Once you get like 30%+ muslim population you can maybe start a proper islamic party and from there it will just be just a matter of time until the end of democracy.

>>139717099
I don't know about other countries, but Germany, you can't democratically dismantle demoracy.
Any party that wants to remove the democratic system would be seen as an enemy of the state and would be destroyed

>>139717250
> cant be a enemy of the state if you are the state
> the more you know

>>139717250
> Germany
> Democracy
kek
You need freedom of speech for democracy. You do not have it - hence - no democracy ALREADY.

>>139717432
No country has 100% freedom of speech

>>139717407
A party that is against German constitution is illegal and thus can't form the government

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>>139717524
>A party that is against German constitution is illegal
How does that work with amendments? If you're a party that wants to amend the constitution, can the ruling parties declare you illegal because you're against the current constitution?

>>139717250
See how Turkey has been doing under Erdogan. They used to be a democracy, now they are a "democracy".

If you achieve a majority that is committed to shariah & loud about it, they will be able to do what the fuck they want and no supreme court will be able to stop them.

I also bet they will call it something like the democratic shariah party

You cant expect non western cultures to just respect the rule of law like western people do. Think of it like crossing the road with a red light, germans won't do it because they have been taught to not do it, but some foreigners just cross anyways and there is literally nothing physically preventing them from doing so

>>139717529
so true
> but were all fucked the final red-pill is there no peaceful way to stop this

>>139717744
We have a normal part of constitution that can be changed with 2/3 majority.
But there is also a unchangeable part of constitution, that includes fundamental stuff like democracy or federal system.
If a party or organization desires to change those, then the court can declare them as enemies of constitution and thus illegal

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>>139714818
>bolen und czechy
>no hitlerland

>>139717822
But Turkey has always been muslim.
So its just a country becoming more conservative and authoritarian, just like Poland or Hungary.
In no way is this a hostile takeover of another religion

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>>139714818
HAHHAHAHAH
FUCK YOU CAN GO TO HELL FOR ALL THAT I CARE
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>139714818
France will be majority muslim. Not Shariah - at least not likely in the next fifty years, but who knows. Algeria once was open like France and IS now shariah tier.

In Germany, Sweden, Belgium and Austria, it is very possible that Islam will become dominant religion, because both the churches and the socialists have allied with Islam.

Either way: the muslims themselves believe it. They absolutely do. And not just Erdolf, this was years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQZKCH2hwa0

Now they got Sadiq Khan, ruling over a minority white English London. Where do you think this will go, if the current trends keep up...?

>>139717997
Ah, ok. That's good.

>>139714818
Just give it a few more decades
Germans didn't ruin Rome in 5 years

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>>139715187
Fuck off, Jew slave

>>139714818
yall are fucked. this is not a drill

>>139718077
laugh well you can
>franceastan has nukes
>does not think the goatfuckers will use them

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>>139718277
Jude

>>139714818
>Poland as part of Eurabia
zajebie ci ty kurwo

>>139714818
Nice proxy, ameriburger.

>>139717524
> No country has 100% freedom of speech
How is democratic political discussion possible without freedom of speech?

>>139718065
You do understand that once majority of german citizens are muslim things will change right?

>65% of germany is muslim
>Elect democratic shariah party
>Party wants to change constitution
>Court declares it illegal
>Government riles up the people and forces the change
> Civil war OR supreme court gets BTFO'd
> If civil war happens, muslims are most likely to win.
> New constitution is written (it's full on shariah)

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>>139718714
democratic political discourse is only possible if people share a certain ideological framework.
If there is a too big ideological difference between different groups of society, no discussion will be possible

>>139718924
>certain ideological framework
So you admit that Germany is not democratic?

>>139714818
Of course not you stupid faggot, and noone ever said it should.

>>139714818
first come the males, struggle learn the language and most important learn how to trick the welfare system, then they bring their families, some legal some not and then they breed like the pigs they are. With 6-8 kids each, do the numbers, they only need 10-15% to replace civilized people in 1-2 generations

>>139718805
Around 2% of Germans view themselves as muslims. What do you think, how long would it take to change that figure to 65%?

>>139719181
20 years.

>>139718997
What? No! Every democracy needs a certain consens to exist. For example, if 50% of a society want western democracy, and 50% want a sharia state, then democratic discourse wouldn't be possible, because no compromise can be made between those groups

>>139719258
> compromise
Why there should be compromise in democracy?

>>139716839
This is also the problem. They are too stupid to do anything, that's why they just leech off countries welfare. That's why instead of stopping in Turkey, they continue into Germany, France, Finland, Sweden and Finland for easy money where they can sit around and do nothing. Eventually enough muslims are in the country where the welfare literally runs out because noone is working. The country begins to fall, and you get the same situation as the Middle East as it is today. Absolute chaos and anarchy. The only good thing that would ever come out of this is proof to other countries that immigration of muslims does not work, meaning that process like this would never be repeated.

>>139719258
how is that even a democracy? its like saying you can choose any car you want, except it can only be this one certain model. you can choose red or blue paintjob though.

>>139714818
Yes it could happen, and if nothing is done in the next 100 years then it literally will happen, just due to demographics and birthrates alone, not factoring in immigration.

I hope we will fucking do something about it in the next decade or it's going to be a fucking bloodbath

>>139719360
Democracy is based on consense and the idea that the minority accept the will of majority.
If 51% majority decides to genocide 49% minority, then minority will hardly accept the democratic decision

>>139714818
Celto-Roman Britannia became England easily enough, and probably thanks to far FEWER invaders than are presently breeding away in English cities.

>>139719383
>Never be repeated
We almost had a literal marxist elected into office.
Liberals don't care about history or reason.

>>139719401
>its like saying you can choose any car you want, except it can only be this one certain model. you can choose red or blue paintjob though.
Exactly. If a democracy is to work, the people need the consesnse that they want a specific car, then they can vote about the paintjob

>>139719470
And we are in deep shit in EU because retards imported people (invaders) who are not compatible with western democracy and want to destroy it. Your solution?

>>139719484
The difference is that Norman invaders came with weapons and became the English upper class.
Meanwhile, muslims have no power and are the lower class in Europe

>>139719647
i am not a fan of democracy in the first place, but that doesnt really give the people any meaningful choices about how they are governed

>>139719181
It's not only "Germans" that you need to count, it's all of migrants & "refugees".

There are projections that put 2020 numbers at close to 20 million

I would say that by 20-25 years from now, 65% is possible.

The native german population is also very old on average and the birth rate is well below replacement rate.

>>139719866
I would argue that democracy only works if people already agree on the broad political direction, and only vote for minor details.
If people have completely different ideologies, then a dictatorship might be the better form of government.

>>139719665
Well, for starters, I wouldn't give those people citizenship, as long as they are not integrated. If they are not citizens, they can't influence our electoral outcome

>>139719866
Germans are retarded to the bone. This is their interpretation of democracy and not you or I understand why it is so.
Maybe it is in the water, maybe it is their language that ruins their mental composition.

>>139719722
I was talking about the English, not the fucking Normans, Bernd. The Muslims have far more power than you admit, anyway. They've inveigled their way into the legal profession, all major political parties, the police forces and even have a presence in the army. They are far better organised than the atomised natives, thanks to their mosques and other organisations, and control many levels of retail in the country. They are thus quite comparable with the Anglo-Saxons, who were invited in by a stupid British ruling class as mercenaries, much as the socialists import Muslims as voters, and who then occupied all the important nodes of communications in Britannia.

>>139720022
Anon, humans lie.

>>139719484
>easily
lmao it was non-stop war for hundreds of years, celts vs britons vs northmenn vs angles vs saxons.
Eventually wessex became the most powerful part of england and then had to fight the entire danish army in York, march back to Hastings and fight the entire norman army, and the normans just took the place of the aristocracy.

No genocide, no replacement of people just a few thousand Normans took over as lords and the royal family.

It was endless fucking war, and after all that endless war the majority population still had no power. If anything it just proves that muslims are delusional to think they will take over anything when really they will just ruin the country and willingly be ruled by kikes and white people

>>139715313
In the next 50 years, Muslims could compise around 20-30% of the population of Western European countries, which is enough to make them the most organised religious force in society who will be able to wield huge amounts of political influence.

>>139716465

Get out of here, you are too reasonable for this shithole.

>>139719995
20 millions would be still only 25% percent of German population. Of course, you must also assume that the muslim birth rate countinues to be that high, and that none of muslims become secular or non-religious. And both of those assumtions dont seem to be correct, if we look at the data

>>139714818
>Do you genuinly believe Europe could become a bunch of caliphates
more like SHOULD

>>139715729
>i believe

well, there's your problem you are not basing your decisions on rational data.

in britain for example, 2nd and 3rd generation muslims are actually more radical than the first

>>139720163
The majority of under 5's in your country aren't even German. When that generation becomes the oldest, Germans will be a minority.

>>139720097
There is no (zero) presence of radical muslims in political parties, press or in police. Only way they can organize is through (saudi funded) mosques. That might be enough to commit acts of terrorism, but in no way is this level of organization sufficient for a coup

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>>139715895
>tfw you finally end the scourge of krauts and the liberal swede
>tfw you glass germany/sweden and all of the muslims in europe at the same time

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Just wait until the real muslims start coming over. It's not our fault your culture has become..... this. Your King James Bible is so fucking laughable. Learn your prayers and regain your pious honor you degenerate western man-children. pic related. Larping nazis play paddy-cake in fuckin Berkeley and think you're warriors. Your a stupid tv freak show the kikes use to show people why out of norm political beliefs are scary: antifa and stormniggers both. Nothing puts the fear in a Jew like the Muslim faith.

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>>139714818
>red Poland

>>139720022
>If people have completely different ideologies, then a dictatorship might be the better form of government.
This is exactly why our treacherous elites have forced diversity on us. They knew all along what it would lead to. Create problem, provide "solution". Oldest trick in the book.

>>139719181
>2% of Germans view themselves as muslims
They aren´t Germans, you fool.

>>139720135
That't the point, I don't think muslims are very organized. Here in Germany, Turks hate the Kurds, Arabs dislike non-Arabs, Shia hates Sunni and so on. I think Muslims are too disfractured to create a single-minded religious organization

>>139720232
You have a source for that?

>>139720191
This is certanly true, but I would argue it is due to the lack of perspective for migrant children, and not because they are radical by nature

>>139720253
>living in a democracy
>zero presence
they just need to vote for whoever that's for immigration and welfare, hans

>>139720253
>no (zero) presence of radical muslims in political parties
https://brusselsdiplomatic.com/2017/02/02/mogherini-islam-belongs-in-europe/

>>139720270
Do you know that your muslim faith is created and planted by Chinese?

>>139720108
There was continuous fighting, but even at the height of Arthur's career there was no turning back to 400 AD. Look how Cadwalladr in the 630s was only able to achieve what he did in alliance with English Mercia. Once the English had won control of the East Midlands and South-East, Celtic Britain was doomed to remain a fringe highland phenomenon.

>>139720375
Most of them don't have German citizenship, though

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>>139714818
>become a bunch of caliphates
No, this is just one phase of (((their))) plan.

It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHa4db3hA0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94smJ9QJ5g

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>139715136
>not at least attempted to take over

define take over

>>139715613
Outbreed the native population, then once they have a majority they just seize power. Pretty simple. We need to remove kebab before it's too late.

>>139714818
Not without a really bloody civil war.

>>139720389
WTF? Federica Mogherini isn't even muslim

>>139714818
What does /pol/ know about georgia

>>139720564
How? If police and military is still controlled by natives?

>>139720253
My God you are so trusting and naive. Do not take up poker.

>>139720581
> Federica Mogherini isn't even muslim
How do you know that? If it quacks like duck and walks like duck....

>>139720487
Now THAT´s one I haven´t heard yet! Do tell!

>>139718082
Nice kid, stopping him from choking on his food.

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>>139719181
>Around 2% of Germans view themselves as muslims. What do you think, how long would it take to change that figure to 65%?

Keep telling yourself that Dieter and welcome > a million more refugees this year.

>>139720650
>controlled
How?

>>139720529
>traditional western values.

this debate will always rage on regardless of shitskins or not

>>139720761
she quacks like a leftists and walks like a leftist.
She also joined Youth Left when she was young, so I believe she is indeed left-wing

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Daily reminder you are not white if you are not Med

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>>139720648
Too much, Vano, too much...

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>>139716446
>2040
That's a bit too late. 2025-7 would be better estimate IMO.

>>139720844
Police and military personell (especially higher up) are all secular and accept western values.
I would argue it is impossible to have a successful career in Germany if you don't accept western values

>>139720778
The Paper Trail
Uighurs
Fucking up mongols

Chinese invented Islam to fuck up their competitors. Think about it and everything clicks into place.

>>139720529
and another thing. if their plan is to
>run a prison planet of race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep

why would they flood europe with muslims of all people? muslims hate jews

>>139720650
But they won't be controlled by natives. If the majority of the population is muslim they just vote in muslims. Democracy is flawed in that way.

>>139714818
only one Caliphate m8
probably a bunch of Sultanates and Emirates, just like post-Roman collapse desu
I will be comfy in the Alps fighting for my Emir and come back to a harem full of blondes and redheads slave-wives

>>139716446

at the end of the war make sure all the liberals get the bullet for creating the conditions for the war in the first place.

>>139721003
Are you sure?
Even christian churches are deeply infiltrated by mudslimes.

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>>139720648
I know that you don't get along with russia, you're a mostly christian nation, and that you have beautiful landscapes. Close? Or am I retarded?

>>139714818
nah, but it'll be a RWDS kind of thing with governments trying to protect subhumans from the righteous anger of natives, sparking a civil war of sorts
it'll happen within 2 decades, probably

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>>139721068
The artful cunning of the Great Finngol Horde knows no bounds!

>>139721209
Where is the proof?

>>139721102
If you become a civil servant in Germany, you have to swear an oath on the constitution. Thus muslims who strongly believe in their religion wont be able to become soldiers or policemen

>>139714818
"believe"

Lol you wait and see what happens to your children/next generation after merkel allows ~400.000 syrians to get their families the numbers will easily quadrouple and at the latest in25 years germans are a minority in the age group of 10-40 year olds.. you know the age group that matters.
Again a christian german minorite in a increasingly islamic germany, what do you think will happen to your children and their children?
The insanity you leave to the next generation is a affront that is hard to beat.

>>139721113
I don't think you would really want to enslave and rape European girls

>>139721314
>If you become a civil servant in Germany, you have to swear an oath on the constitution. Thus muslims who strongly believe in their religion wont be able to become soldiers or policemen
Man, you've got to be kidding us here?! Stupid b8, or just gobsmackingly autistic teutonism? Muslims are actually ENCOURAGED to lie and deceive if it helps the spread of Islam. It´s a moral VIRTUE for them.

>>139721378
at least it'll be exciting to stage raids into genitally mutilated territories and give them a taste of their own medicine

>>139721378
Why? Your women looks better than any other women, just look at anime
Feminism makes them shit, so just enslave them.

>>139714818
watch these two videos should clear up a bit of why people honestly think that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj7iKHf1U-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9V8POmuxg

>>139714818

>believe

So what you are saying is that you have NO HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER about the spread of Islam since its inception?

Maybe you should start there? It's always the same pattern. Either they outright conquer territory and enslave everyone they don't kill, or they mass migrate somewhere and outbreed the locals and then enslave everyone they don't kill.

It's even written in their doctrines to do this. How can you know so little about the people killing your entire race as a tool of the Jews?

Europe has been converted to Christianity once, which is an Abrahamic desert religion. There is no reason to believe that Europe can't be converted again to Islam, which also is an Abrahamic desert religion.

>>139721512
Because you are human beeing with empathy and don't want to see other people suffer

>>139721475
And you really believe that there is a huge amount of muslims who are intelligent enough, motivated enough and patient enough to hide their radical muslim ideology for a whole career?

>>139721314
> Where is the proof?
Look at their actions.

> you have to swear an oath on the constitution
Deception is an old and excellent war tactic.

Is the rumor true that Germans never lie?

>>139721636
what do you propose germany to? chimp out?

>>139721680
*do

>>139714818
keep it up, it's a matter of time before all your politicians are muslim rag heads and sharia law is introduced..keep it up, you know it's coming. I fear even then you'll still be holding your refugees welcome signs.

>>139721680
what the fuck do you think chimp out means?

>>139721660
see >>139721680

>>139720522
Arthur did not exist

>>139715085
>Why are there Muslims in Europe anyway?
because these governments want, because instead of promote family and pay more they promote migrations and cheap labor

>>139721658
>Because you are human beeing with empathy and don't want to see other people suffer
Why would they suffer? Being in a harem of a Chad is the ultimate aim for women anyway, Hanz.

>>139721658
There is 1,7 billion of muslims in the world. Apply bell curve and other statistics on that. You get the numbers.

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>>139714818
Islam is pestering europe and within a generation or two they'll chimp out so much that europeans won't take it anymore

They will have had enough with the terror, the filth on the street, the herassment by shitskins, etc.
The financial back bone will break because they won't be able to support the giant muslim welfare industry Merkel thought we could use

The shitskins / muslims won't be able to discuss these problems in normal fashion because that's not their style, they're gonna do what they have Always done
And that is to scream and demand more rights and money
And when Europe says no they will chimp out
When europe has had enough these individuals will be arrested, deported or even better and a very real scenario, put in concentration camps
Think about it, hundreds of thousands even millions of angry double digit IQ sand monkeys who cause chaos all over, what is the state gonna do with them?

There will be no future for islam in europe
it's over, you've had your chance
This is the end of your right
And /pol/ will laugh when Ahmed and kemal are picked up by the right wing safety squads.

>>139716446
>Britain
Would islamify to 2040
>Greece
Migrant hords would islamify it on the way to 2040
>Italy
Same as above
>Croatia
Same as above
>Ireland
Would have to deal with islamic faction
>Portugal
Islamified to 2040
>Finland
Would have to deal with own islamic faction
>Ukraine
>Existining 2040

>>139721744
what does it mean to you?

>>139715085
>Why are there Muslims in Europe anyway?

Kalergi plan and EU plot to undermine racial homogeneity (their words not mine).

Our own governments went around campaigning in foreign countries to bring people here.

>>139721636
>Either they outright conquer territory and enslave everyone they don't kill, or they mass migrate somewhere and outbreed the locals and then enslave everyone they don't kill.
So just like Christians, eh?

>>139721768
If you were Chad you wouldn't need to enslave girls, sorry.

>>139721769
Only if you assume that the muslims will stay musims forever and wont become secular

>>139720108
England was unified in the 10th century under wessex by fighting the Danes continuously, over 100 years before Hastings.
The battle of Stanford Bridge in York before Hastings was fought against the Norwegians, not the Danes

>>139721658
You don´t need a huge amount, just ENOUGH. Look what the Bolsheviks managed in Russia. It´s all about motivation, not numbers. And in the modern West, most people are too brainwashed to even label radical things "radical", if a Muslim says them. Muslims get a free pass and are judged (if at all) by different standards. Most of our compatriots are so retarded they even applaud the Muslims when they remain true to Islamic orthodoxy. The doublethink is all powerful.

And are you really so racist that you think there aren´t enough intelligent people among the invaders?! I assure you, many are far more clever than most of us.

>>139721893
yes, why do you think christians hate muslims to begin with?

>>139721803
behave like chimps, ie smash up your own neighborhood for no discernible reason

>>139714818
never. varg is indeed right. Muslims hate each other. arabs, turks, syrians, iranians, kurds. As soon as the collapse happens, theyll kill each other in the cities. leaving europeans to take on the rest.
We should be afraid of the chinese

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>>139721080
>why would they flood europe with muslims of all people? muslims hate jews
to get rid of two groups they hate, whites and muslims, by mixing them together and destroying them both

>>139721893
>So just like Christians, eh?
Not really but if you think this is a acceptal excuse on your death bed when your from islam mopped children ask you why you not only let it happen but supported it i can only lol
The next generation will still spit on your graves long after you are gone for what you have left them with i can promise this much.

>>139721680
> what do you propose germany to do?
Nothing except to prepare. Civil war is inevitable.

>>139721755
I seriously doubt that. It´s on a par with denying the historicity of Jesus or Mohamet.

>>139720524
Their 5+ children will, and that's assuming Merkel doesn't give the ones already there citizenship

>>139721970
Bolsheviki had lots of intelligenzia, foreign support and angry workers + peasants who were on their sides.
None of those factors is true in Europe, when it comes to muslims

>>139715194
In Lebanon and Bosnia the christians fought back though. I absolutely do not see westerners (most of whom aren't even christian any longer) fighting back.

Instead westerners are submitting and allowing islam to fill up the void dechristianization has left us. Muslims aren't even asking for this. To give you some examples from Belgium:

> Ramadan was given a LOT of attention in the media
>a yearly catholic procession in Bruges was censored: they removed the crusader stuff in order not to offend the mudslimes
>school traditionally kicks off on 01/09, but not this year. It will start on 04/09 because the muslims are having a holiday
>companies and the government are massively targetting the muslims in their ads and recruitment (the latter only the gov't though, most respectable companies don't want muslim employers)

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>>139714818
>Too scared to even try invading Eastern Europe

>>139722008
>by mixing them together and destroying them both

islam isn't being destroyed though. most muslims don't live in europe believe it or not. if anything, it's gaining influence in europe. especially if these fears of a muslim caliphate become true

>>139721785
You mean "BY 2040" etc.
Learzn to Englisz, Wojtech!

>>139722082
(((civil war)))

ok soros troll

>>139721996
I don't think christians hate muslims, since bible teaches us to love our enemy

>>139722025
Europe was full of christian theocraties at one point, and yet we managed to become secular and enlightend. I simply doubt that islam is a more attractive model of society than western demorcacy.
So rather than muslim taking over, i believe they will get converted to our ideology and lifestyle eventually

>>139721952
Why should they become secular? What is the benefit of it for them? Become genderfluid sterile retards?
It is not fun and games, Hans. Muslim offspring is much more radical than their parents who sneaked into your land.
And there is strength in numbers.

>>139722111
There is very little evidence that he existed. The evidence that does exist suggests that he was a native Welsh ruler that had a lot of legends attibuted to him as a kind of folklore amalgamation of the 'ideal king'

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>>139722222
checked

>>139722170
In Germany, you are not automatically entitled to citizenship, only because you were born on German soil

>>139715613
>Radical muslims hold no position of power, neither in politics, nor in the media, nor in army/police.

That's the scary thing. White Europeans still hold all those vital positions and are financially MUCH better off than the muslims, who depend on gov't aid. But if you look at it the muslims have a lot of power and influence for what they constitute: they're less than 10% of the population and most are lower class. Yet all their grievances are met, the media shills hard for their religion and they are constantly being pushed into influential positions (mostly in politics)

>>139722322
They can drink alcohol, eat pork, fuck before marriage.
Also, it increases their career opportunity. Any muslim who raises in the career ladder will be surrounded by more and more Germans and thus he will integrate eventually

>>139722462
basic human rights should apply only to native humans, not alien subhumans

>>139721314
Acta non verba. Muslims don't give a shit about our laws. Only we do, because we've become government-fearing people. Muslims on the other hand are only afraid of Allah

>>139722462
Sure, but it is done out of pity/tolerance.
If a nazi-like group ever came to power, they could easily start a genocide and there is not much the muslims could do against it

>>139714818
>Red Poland
Nope, my Kraut idiot friend - it is your faith. Why ? Because you don't have the balls to throw out niggers now and you won't have balls to strip them of voting rights. In a short time, they will democratically VOTE! for constitution change and enforce CALIPHATE (so sharia law). Enjoy sharia and all the idiocy it brings.

Also for some nice red pill https://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/02/19/german-economy-immigration/

>>139722600
>only afraid of Allah
and supersonic lead projectiles headed their way

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>>139722314
> we managed to become secular and enlightened
Explain pic related

>>139722187
The Muslims have many allies too, not least in our intelligentsia. Read Soumission by that French Jewish bloke if you want the scenarios spelt out.
The Saudis and co. will stand in for the Kaiser´s money.
Our "workers and peasants" are a lot softer than those in Russia of 1917, and even the latter were often on the RECEIVING end of Bolshevik bullets. In certain circumstances, the natives can be dealt with region by region, as they lack coordination.

Personally, I believe a reaction will save us, but it will NOT be pretty, nor will it be easy.

>>139722660
>sucide bombers afraid of bullets ...
go suck some soros dick you fairy

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>>139722621
>there is not much the muslims could do against it

I think you underestimate how many weapons there are circulating in muslim communities. And it's not just the jihadists that have weapons. Virtually all organized crime in Western Europe is in the hands of muslims (Turks, Albos, chechens, arabs)

>>139722448
You actually have smarter immigration laws than the burgers in that regard. Good job, guys

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>>139715187
of course the Blacked fetishist is an American.

Every single fucking time.

>>139722532
> They can drink alcohol, eat pork, fuck before marriage.
They can do all of this while being muslims too btw.
> Also, it increases their career opportunity.
Is Germany somehow blocking careers of muslims?

> Any muslim who raises in the career ladder will be surrounded by more and more Turks
Fixed it for you.

>>139722707
a photoshop?

>>139722314
>Europe was full of christian theocraties at one point, and yet we managed to become secular and enlightend

You also remember how that was done?.......
No seriously what you leave your next generation with is a betrayal you betray your next generation the opportunities you had your whole damn lives. You sold out the values no... GAVE AWAY something you had not even the right to sell or change because it was just borrowed to you. You took that from the next generation.
If shit goes in that direction and it very well it looks like that then you committed a crime on your next generation imo There is a reason why something as treason or high treason exists and merkel did just that imo

>>139722715
Yeah, but those left-wing allies dont say we should become a caliphat, only that we should tolerate muslims. So left-wing only supports muslims to a certain point.
But I agree with you on Saudis, we really need to fight their influence in Europe

>>139722832
Why do you think southerners wanted to enslave niggers?
To always be with their lovers of course.

>>139722532
And still they choose not to drink, fuck and eat pork. This is the thing that you do not understand. Out of 2 milions you have under official numbers (more then 7 milion muslims in naziland now) how many of them have anything to loose ? Exactly.

Because of that Islam has great ground to mess with their minds and make them do stuff that krauts like - bombings, stabbings and so on.

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>>139722911
Ok,
Now explain this pic related

>>139722885
>They can do all of this while being muslims too btw.
Such a hypocritical "muslim" would hardly risk his life to install sharia. It would go against his own best interest.

>Is Germany somehow blocking careers of muslims?
If you wanna rise in career ladder, you have to become buddy with higher ups, who are mostly Germans. So if you are a radical muslim, it will be very hard for you to make friends

>>139721969
Right you are, for some reason I though Hadraada was the danish king

>>139721782
Not gonna happen LARP, euros don't fight. Too many love Islam and Africans. Europe is finished

>>139722360
>he was a native Welsh ruler
What the fuck ELSE would he be? That you even wrote this suggests you don´t really know much about the topic. There is a LOT of material pointing to the existence of a warlord who managed to rally the British enough to at least deal with the Irish threat in the west, while holding the English at bay long enough to establish British strongholds where they were still feasible. Historians don´t like Arthur because he´s hard to deal with by their methods. This is quite ordinary and to be expected for periods in which there was a breakdown in civilisational continuity, though.

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>>139722261
Muslims are too stupid to threaten their new world order.
They only care about their fucking shariah law and the moon god, so it's pretty fucking easy to placate them.

>>139723098
Let me tell you one secret - you can not determine who is and who is not radical by just looks and feels.

>>139721080
>>139722261
>why would they flood europe with muslims of all people?

Straight from the European Commission website:

https://web.archive.org/web/20141001103754/http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/policy_advisers/archives/experts_groups/docs/rapport_complet_en.pdf

>>139721970
This. Europeans don't have a Kämpfgeist while muslims are willing to die for their beliefs

Only a very tiny minority of Europeans would fight back

>>139722990
>So left-wing only supports muslims to a certain point.
When that point is reached, most leftists will just malfunction. Many will pretend to have wanted the inevitable result all along, and others will shut down in denial.

>>139723484
This.

>>139723050
We have many Turks in our country and most of them drink and have sex before marriage. They don't make exactly great warriors for caliphate

>>139723108
I think he tried to claim the Danish throne as well, and failed

>>139723474
>Kämpfgeist
How did a Folk that was once great enough to produce such perfect words sink so low, Frans-Josef? It baffles me. I weep for Germany.

>>139716446
Doesnt Croatia welcome albanians with open arms? They will be muslim soon.

>>139714818
No. Even if whites are replaced, there will still be tons of niggers.

>>139723646
Can you Germans ever into war FTW?

>>139723646
It´s about having more KIDS, you utter mong. Hypocrisy in religion is nothing new, particularly when it comes to hedonism, but the religious IDENTITY is still there. Here in Spain, there were many caliphs in Cordoba that drank wine and so on, but this was NO FUCKING CONSOLATION to the Christian natives they oppressed.

>>139723789
>tons of niggers
Slaves. Tested.

>>139723789
Niggers make great Moors, given the incentive. And the incentive is your daughters and granddaughters.

>>139723810
Open your History books and look it up

>>139723841
And why do you think a hypocritical muslim would risk his life for sharia, when sharia would forbid him to do what he likes the most?

>>139720952
this is the most stupid shit i've seen today
i hope you're not that retarded in real life

>>139723202
Fair enough, it isn't my area of expertise, I'll defer to your knowledge on that

>>139722222
Kek speaks through my compatriota, heed his words of meme magic

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>>139714818
No, but there will be disunity and conflict, then sectarianism that will tear Europe apart and see tens of thousands of people dead. I think it will conclude with much of France and Germany being annexed by neighboring countries, and the formation of an Islamic territory in Europe that we'll be warring with for a long time. Britain may avoid the Kalergi replacement by leaving the EU, and thereby achieve a peaceful resolution when the conflict starts.

>>139724131
He doesn´t NEED to risk his life, you imbecile. He just needs to sit back while his five sons grow up to rape your one daughter.

>>139721785

>Britain
Muslim pop is concentrated on a few urban areas, the countryside is still heavily british natives.

Civil war/islamic faction expected

>Greece
I know a few greeks, they will fight back and resist. Their geography also ensures you have isolated communities that behave cohesively

>Italy
I believe they will resist too (northern italy at least)

>Croatia
Fair enough i don't know much about them, so my opinion can go either way

>Portugal
To say portugal would be islamified by 2040 is to say that Poland or Hungary would be islamified by 2040, have you seen the muslim pop in portugal? It was something like 50k (small enough to round up in a single football stadium)

Portugal would also resist

>Finland
I feel like the finns are getting more right wing by the week. Guess Sweden benefits someone after all

>>139724260
Wut? Who would annex us and why? Whats the point of annexing a fellow EU country?

>>139714818
Yes. It'll happen to some before I die. Others, after.

>>139724131
Trail of losses and meaningless destruction only there. OK, germanic christcucks somehow succeeded in conquering my ancestors tribes but even they kicked out by remains of my tribes in 1920.

>>139714818
>Poland
Before that happens, the Poles are going to Blitzkrieg you fucking Germs.

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>>139724222
se sei stella, fatte vedere, yo me fermeró...

>>139723064
Is part of the CHristians traditions you ruski commie piece of filth
http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/christianity/articles/the-real-meaning-of-foot-washing-for-christians.aspx

i rather have an eurabia than jewrop desu - this whole kalergi plan will bite the jews in the ass HARD - and when shit hits the fan they just nuke us , force gods hand via 4 horseman upon the sandniggermixedraces remnants then try to start all over.

>>139724410
Haven't you seen the studies that show that Germans will be in the minority in just a few generations? East Germany will be annexed by Poland to avoid the sectarian violence. I could see Russia also annexing the Baltics, Georgia and more of the Ukraine too.

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>>139724396
>the countryside is still heavily british natives.
You can´t count sheep and cows in this one, Roger.

>>139724410
Calling yourself
>a fellow EU country
That is why.

>>139724670
> Behave like slave
> enlightened

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>>139724670
Are you seriously that deluded? That Sudaca has distorted the tradition into pathetic Marxist-inspired cuckoldry of the highest order. The Popes of centuries past turn in their graves at the sight of this virtue-signalling abomination.

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>>139714818

Don't worry u have the best border guards

>>139715868
Radical Islam has so many government supporters as is.

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>>139715868
Who do you think is going to be soldiers of the EU-Army? Klaus-Tobias the leftist with slim arms who is sitting in some indoctrination university, or Ahmed the criminal subhuman who can't wait to beat the shit out of you with a rifle stock before fucking your wife and get paid with your taxmoney for that?

Good God Germans are stupid and naive and this thread and OP prove it. An hero faster pls.

>>139724926
Are many of your countrymen that retarded?

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>>139723188
Erm no, that's just the media

The same media telling us Trump had 1.8% of winning the US election
The same press to backpeddles on every sensitive issue to make it fit their PCuck narrative

They will all die out
TV and RADIO are DEAD
Your interracial fetish co-workers are soon dead as well, the real people, the real masses will simply butcher people like you and your muzzie nigger friends in the end :^)

>>139725452
WTF are you on about, Maria-Therese? How can one even begin to dispute that Bergoglio is an anti-white cuck?

>>139723098
>Such a hypocritical "muslim" would hardly risk his life to install sharia
You've never actually met these people have you? Because this perfectly describes an alarming portion of muslims.

>>139715729
Sorry Hans but they don't hate their own people and would actually fight for their beliefs. They aren't cuckolded faggots like you bois.
They are "radical" just by virtue of the fact that your culture is suicidal and theirs is not.

>>139715870
That is the dumbest thing I have read in a longtime. Congrats

>>139724755
Sounds alright. Visegrad countries will most likely bail out of EU before shit hits the fan, and form an indepent union backed by Russia. Or annexed by it.

>>139726281
Agreed, to a "good" muslim, pushing for islamic conquest is the best thing to enter Heaven, while earthly accomplishments aren't that important.

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>>139714818
UK already is United Sultanate of British isles.
Also remove Poland and Czech from map.

>>139721068
>>139720487
Eesti knows the best.

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>>139715187
Burgers always shit up the thread.

>>139714818
>Implying it isn't already.

>>139714818

> Implying czech republic and poland wont resist

>>139715613
>Radical muslims

When a gator kills a baby you don't call it a radical

>>139715729
Look at the Turks here. First generation was brought in to drive down wages, not great for natives but hey. Second gen was much more criminal than natives. Current generation is mostly on welfare and advocating for mass immigration. What do you think is going to happen with the new arrivals who are much less secular?

>>139717250
>I don't know about other countries, but Germany, you can't democratically dismantle demoracy.

... did you see what Merkel did to the border? And your laws and Grundgesetz mean only as much as people are willing to enforce it. Right now it's being enforced where it's useful, e.g. against natives while the invaders are able to roam free, how do you think it's going to go when it's muslims at the levers?

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>>139714818
I don't even care mate. If Islam is needed to smite these kikes so be it. They need to go. Whatever it takes.

Its not just europe in danger of becoming a caplihate they are pushing muslims into latin america now

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>>139730109
I'm becoming more and more convinced that only Islam can smite the kikes. What a fucking shame. Racial suicide, but at least the planet won't be subjugated by inbred rats.

>>139720253
You know our minister of integration called for Germany to be a country of immigrants with no inherent culture and her brothers are islamists? How delusional are you? And most of the political class are sharing her opinion anyhow

>>139725437
He is probably from the West, I hate them so much, as soon as Prussia is gone they just cuck out so badly.

>>139730168
i guess it could be smart to fuse the occident with the islamic world, complete a stable containment around eurasia. sounds horrible though

>>139714818
It could but it won't
The point is to raise tension, then just like the Americans wanted to kill some dune coons after 911, they'll get us into more deserts to die for Israel and 'revenge!' all while being under intellectual assault by Marxists and nihilists.
The actors are already there, Jewish elements have already infiltrated our organizations and parties, and probably work against us in secret.
After the great war that Albert pike himself, the grand Mason, had predicted, we will all take loans from banks to repair our ruined nations.
And they will prevail once more.

>>139714818
>could

Nigger, if you're under 60 you're going to live to see it.

>>139718082
Noice

>>139724396
northern italy is the most cucked part of Italy
they also have more immigrant because its rich as fuck
i think the south have more chance

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>>139728140
I'd still refuse. Who gives a fuck. Racial discrimination means you're not an ignorant moron.

>>139724396
>I believe they will resist too (northern italy at least)
Why do people love to talk about things they don't know?
NEWS: 85% of the foreign population living in Italy is located in North Italy.

>>139714818
Rhetorical Exaggeration
The thing is that mudslimes don't integrate but also don't spread too far. While there sure are some rare cases where they move to a non-muslim community, most of them flock to the islamic shithole ghettos in the big cities.

At some point, you'll have Islamic mini-states within western Europe that can no longer be sustained by the welfare state nor be policed properly.

This will be the point where one of the 2 scenarios will happen:
1. economic support for these mini-states will drop and these people will leave the country for another one that still has gibs.
2. civil war (which will be a terrible loss for the Muslims since most European countries actually have gun control which will work in our favor).

Either way, quality of life will be down the shitter at this point.

What can you do?
1. Support parties that want to cut social benefits. All those extreme right wing social parties are shit and won't solve anything. Remove the fruit and the flies will cease to come.
2. Don't support civic nationalists who want "integration programs". If you want to get rid of Muslims, you'll have see that they are contained within their own communities.
3. Fuck your GF and have a lot of children.

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>>139731139
southern italy is not white

>>139731387
your mom's asshole is not white

>>139720315
You just wait and see.

>>139716465
Gtfo you fucking shitskin! Christianity went through it's puberty with swords,arrows and trebuchets not nuclear warheads,ak-47s,mortars,ford trucks,and nail bombs

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>>139714818
Do you genuinly believe that Bosnia-Herzegovina, Albania, Kosovo, parts of Bulgaria, Macedonia and Montenegro, as well as some Russian regions in Northern Caucasus and the Volga region were always majority Muslim?

>>139716839
That's when there's not a commonly perceived threat/target... In this case Europeans are seen as lambs and they are together in this... just take a look at the 6 day war against Israel... Muslims hate each other like nothing in the world but when there's another threat they chimpout together!

>>139717250
>Being this retarded
Now I feel good for fucking you over

By the time Europe (us Medshits included) wake up and want to fight, we'll be old and outnumbered while they'll be many and young

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>>139715085
>Why are there Muslims in Europe anyway?

>>139714818

no, muslim birthrate is decreasing and muslims are becoming liberalized.

europe will be black or mixed black since black birthrate in africa is extremely high and millions of black population is exported to europe.

>>139732585
True
I mean, how many ethnic Greeks still live here? 7 million?
And how many of them are too old to breed or do anything?
There has to be a paradigm shift, a change, else we are going to expire as a people

>>139715449
Kek

>>139714818
Get the fuck out with this propaganda from my country you fuck

I hope I am still young enough to fight when the next reconquista occurs. I want to conquer these faggots so bad. How far are we away from it lads?

>>139725812
I was refering to the other Spainiard.

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>>139732585

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>>139715085
because the government needs a dependent base of constituents to vote labor.

>>139714818
>be on vacation in Croatia
>see English tour group
>half of them are hijabis

>>139721616
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9V8POmuxg
>We willl see civil war in Germany before the decade is out
I'm a little bit excited

We will rule Europa soon enough. Ellehu ekber!

>>139716839

be a good cafer like this one.welcome us we want hurt you.

>>139714818
absolutely. ask your typical leftist and they'll proudly say it's the fucking objective

>>139723064
Christians are weak pussies whose morals are the reason we allow ourselves to be over run with niggers

>>139723270
>boomers all retire
>half of gen y are nigger welfare queens
This kills the welfare state

>>139716839
>They aren't smart or motivated enough to accomplish such things.

I want you to visit the the nearest mosque to you at 5 am see how many of them are in the morning prayers . it will show you how much they are motivated and also the fasting for around 16 hours in 30 days . they are surly motivated, they even blow them selfies for their cause

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>>139722008
>mix em together and destroy them both
This won't happen. The west already stands for nothing. Europe wont fight, it will capitulate and simply become Muslim.
Then the Jews will be fucked because Muslims are iron pilled on the JQ.

>>139735751

Another good point ITT, but I think you fagots have missed the most important factor in the demise of the West.

Your women crave big non Western dick. They love that foreign dick. Just give up boyos, it is a lost cause.

>>139736302
So what? That doesn't change the fact that the Jews are digging themselves a hole when atm they have no problems at all.
They do have options though... they could cease the immigration at about 35%. Enough so white countries are fucked and weak. But not enough so muzzies can take over and then go after the Jews. Or keep going to 50% then stir up racial divides with their media so we wipe eachother out and reduce western countries to rubble... come to think of it the civil war one is probably their plan.