Why are businesses vilified for denying their services to homos,

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>>139693994
Not being allowed to spew racism, bigotry and hatred is not religious persecution. Christians feel oppressed because they are being forced to recognize the rights of people who believe or live differently than they do. To those accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.

>>139693994
And faggots and trannies don't march around spewing hate for the religious, whites, and men?

>>139694053
This include the Muslims?

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>>139694211

>>139694207
Being religious, despite being a choice, is a federally protected category regarding discrimination.

Being gay, not a choice, is still an allowable reason for discrimination in a majority of states.

I cannot refuse to make someone a cake on account of being Christian, but they can refuse to make me a cake for being gay. The rules are stacked in favor of the religious right. Enjoy it while it exists.

https://www.inc.com/suzanne-lucas/seventh-circuit-court-says-sexual-orientation-is-a-protected-classseventh-circui.html

>>139694053
>Not being allowed to spew racism, bigotry and hatred
Reviewbrah's videos have been demonetized. He doesn't promote any of those views you mentioned. The majority of his fans are from 4chan. Why punish a man because his fanbase is predominately right wing?
>To those accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.
When you use a utilitarian approach like previously mentioned, that is not freedom and is against everything America stands for.

>>139694288
Well hot damn can't argue them digits. Good luck with that.

i was thinking this earlier
if network solutions can deny stormfront it's dns
than how long before corporations just start dealing against their competition's servers online?
it's a lot more fucking serious than the fags v. bakery ordeal

>>139693994

You`re a moron if you think there hasn`t been any backlash against google for their blatant fucktardery.

>>139693994
You're a faggot. You're not an American.
Learn the difference.

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>>139693994
libshits play as VICTIMS for special points, make appeals to authority to force others into compliance.
Right-wing just middle-finger google and take their business elsewhere.

It just shows the fundamental difference between the two. The sickness of the Left and the ability of the Right.

>>139694557
Quality post. Great rebuttal.

>>139694288
It is amazing, isn't it, how quickly homosex went from being an act to a "lifestyle choice" to a full-blown identity. Simply because the faggots had enough money to lobby for it.

You shouldn't join the polgb-Discord Server. Tranny-infested shithole with a creepy, fat, old Jew as admin. Do not join. I repeat : do not join.

>>139694887
(((Faggot agenda)))

To think Washington used to execute these sodomites while he was our leader. Now they parade in the streets.
They'll get what's coming to them eventually.

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>>139694908
Yeah but at least it isnt discriminating. We also have this guy with a really big dick and a soft girls voice.

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>>139693994
Why are christards so butthurt about this damn cake? What difference does it make?? They seem like a bunch of easily triggered retards!

>>139695454
Jesus explicitly said in the Bible not to bake cakes for gay weddings.

>>139695454
It's not about the cake, retard. Stop trying to trivialize it like you homos like to do.

>>139695454
>>139695547
marriage is a sacrament, like baptism, communion, and confession. a wedding is a religious ceremony. it's like if you went in and asked them to bake a "SATAN RULES 666" cake for your next black mass. it's asking them to take part, however incidentally, in a satanic ritual, a mockery and perversion of what they believe is among the most holy events.

why can't faggots just get a different baker to make them cake?

>>139694053
Thank goodness your community is finally coming around on Islam.

>>139695943
Civil marriage is not a religious ceremony. I can get married without visiting a church so why do they get to set the rules?

>>139695866
It is about justifying discrimination against gay people.

Cakes may not be a huge harm but what about a banker who wants to deny a loan to a business owned by gay people or a pharmacist wanting to deny important medication to gay people?

>>139694384
Enjoy not getting hanged for sodomy while it lasts.

>>139696080
i think it would be fun to publiclly torture people like you to death

>>139696045
>why do they get to set the rules?
why do you? why not just get a cake from a non christian baker? why force someone to go against their conscience?

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>>139694384

>>139696396
I don't but the state of California certainly does.

http://www.wafb.com/story/36232550/ca-bakery-refusing-to-serve-same-sex-couple

and Colorado:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/06/30/a-supreme-court-masterpiece/

>>139694384
>but they can refuse to make me a cake for being gay.
except that's not true at all and the people who tried to refuse a cake for a gay wedding got fined six figures and put out of business.

>>139696536
Jack Phillips , owner of Masterpiece Bakeshop, wasn't fined, and still is in business.

>>139694053
not having a fag cake bake isn't religious persecution either you colostomy salesman

>>139694053
it's ideological. of which can be argued to pertain to certain religions, or at least the values from religions. forcing a conservative company to bake a cake, because it would be discriminatory not to, is the same thing as forcing liberal google to recognize the freedom of speech rights of conservatives.

>>139696536
also, if a tiny bakery is forced to recognize the rights in the constitution, so should a mega company like google that's basically a public service.

looks like fag boy >>139694053 has been debunked

>>139696686
Christians are somehow magically incapable of bullying gays?

He is simply being forced to do his job equally for all customers. He wouldn't refuse to make a cake for an interracial wedding because the bible frowns on such marriages, would he? Colorado law bans discrimination by virtue of sexuality and this is clearly it. If he wants to discriminate against gays he must restructure his business to not be open to the public.

Imagine being in a small town with only one store of a certain type and they say they refuse to serve gays. We had it out with ALL these issues in the 1950s and 1960s regarding race and bigots lost every time. Why do you expect this will be different? If there are laws prohibiting discrimination, you must follow them. Religion is not an excuse for specific harm.

>>139696747
Nobody is saying Christians can't hold those beliefs. We are saying you can't use those beliefs as a justification to harm other people in the course of running a business open to the public.

>>139694053

this. your freedom ends where everyone else's freedom begins. discriminating against a persecuted subclass of a population is not the same as telling people they can't use your free service because they are doing things which can cause the other users to quit.

tl;dr your hate speech will cost them money from advertisers and users

>>139694384
>being gay is not a choice
Except it is. I literally changed my mind about it and haven't looked back
>religion is a choice
>implying that believing the truth once you are aware of it is a choice

You have it completely backwards.

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Despite being racist myself, for the same reasons I dont trust the vast majority of people bc of normie retardation is the same reason why I dont mind discrimination laws and the civil rights, primarily for the public accommodation clauses. Where the hell does the bible say you cant sell shit to fags, and why should we uphold iffy personal interpretation? Why should your imaginary friends hold any power over tax paying citizens? While it may be an assault on the right to refuse service, any damage is mitigated by just a little wit and tact: charge an ungodly amount upfront, hire mexicans to do all the labor, simply avoid outright declaring NO CAUS YER GAY.

Im glad christcucks are getting BTFO, biggest trollbait tards

>>139696396
Because faggots for some reason like to rub their lifestyle in everyone's face. I have a gay friend and in group chats all he does is post sassy tumblr gifs and flirt with us even though he knows we're straight. It's disgusting and I honestly think they get off on doing shit like this. They've gone from committing acts of terrorism again the APA to being smug perverts in public.

I seriously am beginning to understand why people want to drag these freaks from the back of a pickup.

>>139696830
>harm other people
what kind of fucked up mental gymnastics are you pulling? not baking a cake and forcing someone to do business elsewhere is MORE HARMFUL than a massive public service company like google actively censoring people with certain views, and memory holing information? HAHAHAHA nice bait

>>139693994
>Dude creating an HR nightmare gets fired
>"Google denied his services"

Retard.

>>139696830
>We had it out with ALL these issues in the 1950s and 1960s regarding race
Niggers = butt sex

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>>139696922
So you repress your homosexuality?

>>139697031
When did I defend Google?

>>139694679
Underated

>>139697273
>When did I defend Google?
oh my little buddy :) your funny

ITT fag demonstrates itself as a blight.

Because the left dominates the culture and the right wing is too afraid of being called a racist to fight back. It's actually pathetic when millions of people see something wrong (censoring speech, degenerate fag culture) and won't say a fucking word about it.

>>139694053
what if my idea of > racism, bigotry and hatred < is jews muslims and niggers, and thier propensity for crime and degeneracy.

Who gets to decide?

I was just thinking about how it's worse to come out as a conservative to your liberal friends/family than it is to come out as gay. Shit go on twitter and support Trump and you'll get death threats. Say you're gay and it's omg yas queen slay

>>139694384
>Being gay, not a choice

you've got to be trolling at this point

>>139697777
(You) cause checked

You have shit friends and family

>>139694053

I know you're a troll, but it's funny how people yell religious persecution against Christians, but defend Islam to the ends of the Earth even after their 3 year old daughter was raped, run over by a truck, shot, and suicide bombed. I'm an atheist and a lot of Christian arguments bother me, but come on son.

>>139697946
I don't defend Islam either. Using religion to harm other people is wrong.

>>139697662
So there is no assumption of innocence for those groups?

Crazy how I wanted this thread to be about google and censorship. It's too bad that faggots are so fucked up in the head that their life is completely absorbed by their craving for a dick up their ass.

>>139697798
How is being gay a choice? Please cite your sources.

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>>139694384
>gay
>not a choice

>>139696045
you can get married without a cake

or is that also something about which you "have no choice"
they are not refusing to bake you a cake because you are a dick smoking penis pixie
they are refusing to take part in a ceremony (marriage) which goes against thier fundemental beliefs

ask them to bake you a birthday cake, and the answer is yes

>>139698087
Yup but why do bakeries need to discriminate against gay people if they offer wedding cakes?

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Bake my damned cake... and let me rape children!

>>139698161
Because you demand they put a fucking dildo in it.

>>139696080
why would a banker or a pharmacist know that you are a cum guzzling spunk monkey?

I dont walk into the pharmacy and announce im a hetero?

>>139693994
Another baked refused to bake a Flurmpf hat cake for a boy's bday. What's your point?

>>139698210
Nobody demanded that.

>>139698234
Because you came to their store with your boyfriend/husband said "Hi, I'm picking up medication for my husband Michael!" , hey me and my husband own a business and would like a loan etc.

>>139698294
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/denvers-azucar-bakery-wins-right-to-refuse-to-make-anti-gay-cake

http://archive.is/1iwE5

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bakery-s-refusal-of-anti-gay-marriage-cake-not-discrimination-1.3165211

http://archive.is/xtLSU

>>139693994
>Why are businesses vilified for denying their services to homos, yet google *IS ALSO* for denying their services to right-wing individuals?
ftfy

>>139696921
baking faggot cakes could cost bakers money

for instance, I wouldn't want my wedding caked by same people who baked cakes for disgusting ass slurping degenerates
so now it s costing them my business

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>>139694288
>Spew racism
>Deny service
>Implying it's the same thing
You faggot still realize businesses can refuse service to anyone, they too have rights it's their fucking business, forcing them is literally slavery and/or forced labor, you do know that, right?

>>139698398
Nw. The leaf you were talking to is drowning in yeast infections

>>139698234
Because faggots are deranged and base their life's worth on getting fucked in The ass.
Most faggots are walking stereupes for attention.

>>139698531
Woman enabler

>>139698361
If one of your Jewish masters owned a cake store, and a nazi came in and said "bake me a cake that says:
>Hitler did nothing wrong
>1488
>gas the jews"
Would you expect your masters to bake that cake?

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>>139693994
It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHa4db3hA0
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94smJ9QJ5g

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>139698584
Jews and gays are oxymoron. Crusader and closet case go hand in hand

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>>139693994
There needs to be one extreme or the other in this case. If you want to deny service to gays based on personal beliefs, I should be able to deny anyone service for any reason, including race, gender, etc. If you want to force others to service gays, you should be forced to serve anyone who comes into your establishment. You can't just arbitrarily choose who should and shouldn't be served by all businesses and try to get it written into law, either everyone is serviced everywhere or businesses should be allowed to deny service to anyone they want for any reason.

>>139698485
Very true. A real world example being I haven't shopped at Target since they became tranny lovers.

>>139698578
>normal person
I'll take that as a compliment you mentally ill pevert

>>139698655
All money is nothing but a worthless interest payment. Thanks for banning BDS

>>139696972
me too
I used to be ok with fags, back in 90's, but Im done being nice to them too, they overplayed thier hand
our family business wont hire or work for or rent to faggots/muzzies/jews anymore, we have always had that policy for niggers,

never tell them why though, thats the trick,
just say your too busy, you'll call back later
have a nice day

>>139698628
Cant respond huh? I guess your Jew masters are kvetching in the background right faggot?

>>139698676
>espouses bullshit from freud
>doesn't say it's bullshit
>freud also called him abnormal
Oh well. Im tired. Fuck your may mays

>>139693994
something something hate speech is not free speech something something something my feelings are big than your feelings something something cocks are delicious

>>139693994
Because no one likes us, you retard.

>>139698628
Why do you wish homosexuality on people like is a disease?

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>>139698696
Confirmed troll

>>139698488
Can I refuse to seat Blacks in a restaurant?

>>139698584
So you are comparing a gay wedding cake to asking that a group of people be killed?

>>139698813
Haavara. Ettore ovazza

>>139698822
Im comparing christians being forced to bake a fag cake to jews being forced to bake a nazi cake. The nazi cake isnt even against the jews religion, just distasteful

>>139694557
has the government gotten involved though? Actually asking.

>>139698971
No

>>139698200
She's cute tho

>>139698020
no
why should I assume they are innocent when the facts and statstics provide overwhelming proof that they are militaristic, supremicist, crime prone, terror prone assholes

the koran and the torah are both basically mein kamf written 2000/1400 years ago ... both completely supremicist religions

niggers prove everyday they are prone to crime at rates 10 - 20 times that of normal population
muslim terrorism represents 98% of all terrorism

No ... no dude .... no more hiding behind "presumption of innocence"

even in law there is a point where a "prima facia" arguement has been made, and the onus of innocence is reversed, and is now up to the defendant to prove thier innocence

>>139698822
Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law.

sh*tty law should be repealed imo

>>139698627
this. they want to turn us all into shapeless genderless gray balls.

>>139699151
Agreed. The free market has a simple solution to companies denying service

>>139698161
alreaady explained it to you knob gobler

marriage is not just a cake ... it is a ceremony
>>139698087

go ask for a birthday cake, somethign that has no religious connotation to christians, Im sure they will be happy to make you a cake

they simply do not wish to take part in ceremony

you, who claim you are all about "respect and tolerance" .... dont seem to respect thier beliefs much

>>139694384
>go to prison
>come out gay
It's a choice

>>139698822
In theory animals shouldn't be allowed in restaurants, so I guess yeah, same applies to the people with your disgusting condition. On a serious manner, you could deny ANYONE service, just like Starbucks refused MAGA trolls service, it wouldn't look good and on the long run it could affect the restaurant for a while, since it is a business, any economic related decision affecting it, is the owner's to make.

>>139699226
The bakeries actually said they were willing to bake them a cake for other occassions and would sell them a premade cake, just not bake a cake specifically for a fag wedding

>>139698584
thats a good idea
theres afuckin jew bakery in my city

I want a fuckign birthday cake for hitler

Im going to sue. fuck i love this board

>>139698638
agreed

THIS

>>139698749
Freud was a jew homo. A complete "fraud" in his field of study, and the only people who laud him are his fellow travellers.

>>139698638
Except lawmakers DID arbitrarily choose who would be protected groups.. way back in the 60s. Racial minorities, women, the homosexual agenda, etc.

They were given the power to decide that by American democracy and they pandered to the civil rights and feminist and gay rights movements.

>>139698891
I'm sure you could make an argument being forced to bake a Nazi cake violated Jews religious beliefs.

>>139699083
So everyone in those groups is de facto guilty and must be punished?

>>139699151
Let me know when a popular and 50+ year old law gets repealed.

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>>139699495
If you do it, post in /pol/ an after action report

>>139699947
So would you force the jews to bake the cake or not?

Baking a fag wedding cake violates christian religious morals, you want to force christians to do it. Following through to the logical conclusion leaves me believing you would force the jews to bake a nazi cake.

>>139695454
NO one can force me to bake cake for him, they can fine me, i wont pay, they can try to arrest me, ill die resisting arrest

I WILL NEVER BAKE A CAKE FOR A FAGGOT

>>139700142
No same as

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/denvers-azucar-bakery-wins-right-to-refuse-to-make-anti-gay-cake

http://archive.is/1iwE5

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-bakery-s-refusal-of-anti-gay-marriage-cake-not-discrimination-1.3165211

http://archive.is/xtLSU

>>139693994
>>139694053
>samefag

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>>139700203
Choose your words carefully anon, the fags might tell the police on you!

>>139700203
thats the sad part his flag is so colorful and happy. Yet his intent is to use government for to kill you for not making his cake..

>>139700386
Why wont you answer the damn question. Stop with the broken English and new articles and answer.

You want to force christians to bake fag cakes against their religious morals.

Will you force jews to bake nazi cakes?

>>139700559
I said no.

>>139694053
Bake the fucking cake bigot

>>139700411
Are you retarded?

>>139700559
he should be happy the jews aren't hunting them down considering jews follow the old testament laws

>If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

>>139700591
then you're a hypocrite, fuck what the law says thats what you are.

>>139700591
Will you still expect to force christians to bake the cake or will you wallow in blatant hypocrisy

>>139693994
well that a double standard ya?

>>139696453
Based

Can't believe i used to hate westboro as an ignorant libtard teenager

>>139700647
Read the context of that verse. The Law is split up into 3 contexts. Moral, civic, and levitical. Levitical law applies to the levitical priesthood (sacrifices, blood, animal offerings). Civic law applies to the theocracy of Israel (no shellfish, pork, jubilee). Moral applies to all mankind (10 commandments, man lie with another man)

>>139700822
They aren't based. They are lawsuit trolls aka shills. They attached themselves to edgy speech just to get rich.

>>139700647
Leviticus 18:22 gives the moral law against homosexuality
Leviticus 20:13 gives the civic law

>>139700661
Political beliefs are not a protected class.

>>139700755
In a place where public accommodations are held to not discriminate by sexual orientation, yes.

Political affinities are a choice, being gay is not.

>>139701057
You know they were a family church too.

>>139701034
>>139701174
oh so slaughtering homos is the job of the defunct jew priesthood?

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>>139693994

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>>139701502
>Political affinities are a choice, being gay is not.
Public accommodations can't discriminate against political affiliations in a few states actually. It's only like 3-5, vs the 20-23 for orientation.

Religion is a choice, but it's a hard one that it would be wrong to expect people to change to get service. Political affiliations work the same.

As for the topic of this thread. I'm pretty sure most of google's businesses aren't public accommodations. Beyond that Nazis are assholes so even when they're in the legal right don't expect sympathy beyond an acknowledgement of their rights.

Still though, feel free to force a gay bakery to give you a Nazi cake in San Francisco. They'd have to do it under state law.

>>139702383
I have no problem with those laws. Even with those laws I think businesses would still be allowed to turn down what they felt were violent or hateful messages.

The question is, if I was preparing for a KKK rally (calm down, I'm not) and I requested a bakery to make me a cake shaped like a black person with burning candles on top of it and the bakery refused, because obviously they wouldn't agree with my views and the rally, should I be able to call the cops, sue them and put them out of business because they refused to serve me because they don't agree with my values?

It's a slippery sloap.

If someone who religiously disagrees with gay marriage is prosecuted for refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding, black bakeries should be prosecuted for refusing to bake a cake shaped like a black man for a KKK rally?
You see the problem here?

>>139702521
No.

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>>139696654
I love how you just cherry pick sources you homosexual cretin. This is happening all over the United States, they are targeting Christian businesses knowing they are going to refuse. You shouldn't be able to take people's livelihoods just because they refuse service to you. JUST GO TO ANOTHER FUCKING BAKERY, the "bigoted" one loses out on business, and the "less bigoted" one gains an economic advantage.

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/melanie-hunter/christian-bakery-sued-lgbt-activists-closing

>>139702824
So the market isn't allowed to reduce clientele to businesses that people don't like?

>>139702940
Also they had plenty of cash on hand:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sweet-cakes-by-melissa-raises-over-352000-after-anti-gay-discrimination-ruling_us_55a946fae4b0d2ded39ee44e

http://archive.is/9GF7F

Although they shuttered their bakery storefront in September 2013 after the controversy made national news, the Kleins still take orders online.

So they still are in business, they can just discriminate against gays easier online.

--

After Oregon bakers Aaron and Melissa Klein turned away a lesbian couple who sought a wedding cake, a judge ordered the couple to pay $135,000 for violating their state’s anti-discrimination laws. The Kleins complained that the amount would ruin them financially.

Now, however, that may no longer be the case: Politico reports that a record-breaking $352,500 has been raised for the Sweet Cakes by Melissa owners via an online fundraising campaign. Jesse Wellhoefer, who is the founder of Continue to Give, which hosted the campaign for Sweet Cakes, told the Washington Times that the effort set a sitewide record for the highest amount raised by any single campaign in the crowdfunding website’s three-year history.

This is the second fundraising effort created in support of the Kleins since an Oregon judge ruled in April that they must pay Rachel Bowman-Cryer $75,000 in damages, and another $60,000 to her wife, Laurel Bowman-Cryer, for rejecting their order for a cake in 2013. An earlier GoFundMe campaign raised $109,000 for the bakery, but was disabled because officials deemed that the couple had been “found to be in violation of Oregon state law concerning discriminatory acts.” (The Kleins were allowed to keep the money, according to Politico.)

>>139694053
>still pretending that changing the legal definition of marriage had anything whatsoever to do with equality and not everything to do with you sick fucks wanting to attempt to force social acceptance while punishing those who do not agree with your lifestyle

>>139703094
Equality and social acceptance go hand in hand.

We haven't been legally able to discriminate against Christians since 1964.

>>139702521
>should I be able to call the cops, sue them and put them out of business because they refused to serve me because they don't agree with my values?
Generally these laws allow you to contact a state anti-discrimination agency which schedules a hearing before a tribunal specifically set up to handle this sort of shit. Also the penalty is usually a just fine and increased government oversight.

These businesses get shut down by all the bad press ruining their business (the opposite of which would happen for refusing to serve Nazis) and cops are emergency services only.

>You see the problem here?
No.

>>139703051
Nazis aren't a class, protected or otherwise.

>>139693994
Stop asking questions you already know the answer to. There are other ways to start a discussion, you know.

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>>139703175
>28 posts by this iD

>>139703318
Its not they he already knows the answer its that OP is refusing to state what his opinion is on the issue personally, making this an example of concern trolling.

>>139693994
Crazy idea here,but stay with me.......maybe they could just make the fucking cake?

>>139703175
Social acceptance is not something that can be forced, it is a mutual respect. You attempting to force it belays the true colors of your bullshit rainbow. You do not want equality and acceptance, you want petty revenge and a power trip, and you are prepared to destroy all tenets of society to get it.

>>139703433
Nobody is forcing you to modify your personal beliefs.

>>139694288
>muslims support degenerates who only hurts and weaken their host country

gee why would they do that

>>139693994
>equating baking with murder
>all these replies
>people claim raisin cakes are Biblical or needed for weddings but they fucken use em anyways
>a de beers commercial
>all these replies
I'm serious. Google "raisin cakes and Bible". Learn things.

>>139703485
No, you wanted to force the change of a legal definition in order to punish others. Are you that autistic, or conveniently ignoring that point to try to make your bullshit argument?

>>139703559
This has nothing to do with punishing anyone.

>>139694053

I too force people to do shit they don't want to do.

It's almost like there's a free market that will decide what people will do.

Just a thought.

>>139693994
Because it suits (((there))) interests, come on anon use your head, faggots are the minions of the deepstate, NWO, globalists, take your pick all different words for the same shit and the fags are with them.

>>139703603
Of course it does. Being a piece of garbage activist for the cause, you know full-well that equality was offered without changing the definition of marriage, and yet it was refused because you wanted to force religious people to accommodate your own lifestyle. Go ahead, deny it again. Every time you do, I hate you more.

>>139703696
So then you have no issues with a Christian bakery closing if it refuses to serve gays then, correct?

>>139693994
Because liberals never argue in good faith. They just pretend to believe things if it will lead to their desired ends.

uh so i have things and i don't want to share them with fags why is that wrong?

>>139698044
How about deciding not to insert your penis inside a man.

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Sodomites don't really care about the cake this is about exerting control and vindictiveness. It's about intimidating and humiliating the hWhite man now that they have the backing of the state

>>139703995
How about deciding not to insert your religious values into my bedroom? You chose to be a Christian, I didn't choose to be gay.

>>139704088
>the only reason to oppose homosexuality is religious
this isn't how to argue. faggotry is just mental illness.

>>139703052
>Kleins still take orders online.
nope. they've had to leave the state due to harassment. the business is closed.

>>139693994
why do you accuse Leftist LGBT homos of acting like whiny cunts while yourself posting like one

>muh capitalism
You sound like a male feminist-tier cuck for wanting to continue to associate with the same Google that you claim to be part of TBTB... Battered Wife Syndrome??

>>139704155
Where does it say they don't have an online business? They got plenty of money from other Christians online.

>>139704106
>all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others

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>>139704143
There are plenty of secular reasons to oppose sodomy but at the end of the day it comes back to morality so the religious aspect is important

>>139704223
Believing a book justifies you in harming others ≠ being born attracted to the same sex.

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>>139704276
>harming

puh-leez. get over yourself nancy.

>>139702940
No the government shouldn't be able to sue them for $135,000.

>>139704274
the moral aspect is important

>>139704106
Im not telling you what to do Im telling you youre making a choice not curing your illness of packing fudge.

>>139701502
Faggoty is a political belief.

>>139704339
Why should gays be burdened with wasting time and effort? Its not like these businesses have no gays allowed signs on the front door.

>>139704448
There is no cure.

>>139704545
>There is no cure.
how's about not fucking dudes?

>>139704088
>Sodomites don't really care about the cake this is about exerting control and vindictiveness.
What's that thing about #MAGAites suddenly ignoring (((bombing of syrians and libyans))) and beginning to exercise their own Cognitive Dissonance when Trump orders it instead of Obongo :^)

>also, the amount of rightwingers in the U.S. that admit - online - to having STARTED OUT AS NAIVE LEFTIES earlier in life
you could help/redeem the hWhite LGBTQ'd philosemite gays instead of wasting your anger on them

>20 000 more Americans dead in warfare - but now Gay recruits - is still a win for the opposing side since more of your People died off

>>139704607
Does that cure my intrinsic same-sex attraction?

>>139704545
A better question is why should society be burdened with the obligation to pander to a handful of mentally ill queers,

>>139704339
>puh-leez. get over yourself nancy.
There's nothing heroic about having your goyim penis mutilated via judaic influences

>when American citizens think that the rest of the world are unhygienic for not removing their Nature-given foreskins

>>139704871
How is being gay a mental illness? I don't hear Christians trying to refuse service to people with clinical depression.

>>139704830
i stopped jacking off to feet and i stopped being obsessed with feet anyone can do it anon

>>139704939
>how is human sexualiy manifesting in a way that impedes the reproductive survival of the afflicted, mental illness?

Gee I dunno faggot....

>>139705145
How do gay people affect straight people's ability to breed or people's overall reproductive viability as a society?

http://archive.is/TZ3kj

Berk also offered wide-ranging analysis of what causes people to be gay. “I believe there's no such thing as a gay man,” she wrote. Instead, all men are born straight, and “something arrested the normal biologically mandated growth pattern that is built into our genes…. The more SSA activity you have experienced, the more neural pathways, habits you have built up that have to be overcome. Then you begin to build up new neural pathways that help you reach your goal of growing out of SSA,” she wrote. "Growing out of SSA is like growing out of any other life damaging disorder."
“But, Ms. Berk, you're not a neurologist?” Dinielli asked her in court.
“No, I'm not.”
“And you can't really explain what a neural pathway is?”
“No, I can't.”

In over a decade of operation, JONAH had thousands of clients, most of them young, Jewish men. Its success was due, in large part, to the fact that the Jewish communities it catered to believed that gay identity was simply a set of behaviors that could be changed. After all, God would never place an insurmountable obstacle to obeying the laws of the Torah in front of a person. Likewise, Ultra-orthodox Jews see the recent era of gay rights as part of a broad category of secular influences it actively rejects. So, naturally, Ultra-orthodox Judaism provides a solution: The talmudic concept of teshuvah —turning away from transgression in one’s past—which was highlighted in a letter endorsing conversion therapy published online, and signed by 55 rabbis and Arthur Goldberg. (The letter was taken offline without explanation this month.)

>>139696950

>charge an ungodly amount upfront

Bitch you dumb, you think you're getting out of this so easily? they will send straight friends to get an estimate for the same shit and then go to the media because you're overcharging fags

Like 99% of these cases are fuckers who want a payday and if it doesn't works they ruin your life for fun and to get attention for themselves

These fags literally go to the most conservacuck stores they can find and be as gay as they can so they'll deny them service and they can sue for a shitload of money

>>139705216
That’s what brought Chaim Levin to JONAH. He says he had been routinely sexually assaulted by his cousin, Sholom Eichler, as a child. Nearly every day, from the time Levin was 6 until he was 10, Eichler, six years his senior, waited on Levin’s aunt and uncle’s front porch for him to come home from school. Levin won a civil suit against Eichler in 2013. Later, when a teenaged Levin realized he was attracted to other boys, he thought it must be the direct result of that abuse. It had to come from somewhere , since it was entirely incompatible with his understanding of how to be a good Hasidic Jew. And that led him to believe his homosexuality was simply an obstacle he would have to overcome. “I used to tell people in yeshiva, ‘Oh, I was abused as a child, and by consequence, this thing happened to me, and I have this problem that I’m working on fixing,’” Levin says.
He started to talk about the abuse with his parents when he was 14. A year later, Levin began talk therapy with an Orthodox practitioner, who agreed that his attractions must be linked to the abuse. Like most teenaged men in his community, Levin spent some time studying at yeshivas—Orthodox Jewish seminaries—abroad, first in Israel, and then in Paris. Every two weeks, he’d have a phone session with a therapist back in Brooklyn. “The motto was, ‘Just for today, I’m not going to touch another boy.’ That’s how we were dealing with it.” But that was untenable, and just before he turned 18, while back in New York, he had sex with a man he met on Craigslist. His therapist was disgusted, he said, and told him she didn’t know how to help him anymore. That’s when a family rabbi pointed Levin to JONAH.

>>139703995
>meanwhile, various rulers (kings, presidents, leaders in various circles) that have done so from time to time without losing their shit
stay beta

>deciding not to insert you penis...
So appeal to Nature (and biology) only applies to penis-in-vagina--->Pregnancy but absolutely nothing else in regards to sexual activity?

Go exercise your biblical morals by driving Banana Slugs/Mangrove Killifishes (hermaphrodites) and animals like penguins (same-sex bonding observed) while fucking ecosystems up :^). As unsound as Mao Z. wanting to exterminate a particular species of Bird, due to being annoyed by their behaviour, while not recognizing he'd fuck up the surrounding nature (Farms) the bird interacted with

>>139705227
Soon after joining JONAH, Levin soon found himself in the woods at a rented church campground in rural Pennsylvania, signing a nondisclosure form and confirming to a counselor that, yes, he’d left his cell phone in the car. He was there for a therapeutic weekend retreat recommended by Goldberg, where he would begin to regain his manhood—a key step in turning from gay to straight.

The retreats were run by People Can Change (PCC), a conversion organization founded by Rich Wyler, a Mormon who says he’s “ex-gay.” Having “unwanted same-sex attraction,” he explains, “comes from an emotional deficit around same-gender bonding. It comes oftentimes from this sense of a deficit in inner sense of masculinity.”Some men try to “close that gap romantically.”

Wyler began organizing weekend programs in 2002. Downing attended the first one that year, while he was in ex-gay therapy with David Matheson, founder of The Center for Gender Wholeness, a Mormon conversion therapy group that had an office in JONAH’s building in Jersey City. Downing told the court he’d “basically resolved” his feelings toward men after less than a year of therapy, and has been staffing Wyler’s weekends ever since. He also had a hand in crafting their highly detailed scripts that dictated nearly every line of dialogue between staffers, who played various roles on the weekends, which were reminiscent of elaborate stage dramas. He and Goldberg routinely sent JONAH’s clients to Wyler’s weekends.

>>139705216
lesbians are a bigger problem than gay men but the overlap of the cultures and political agendas is very apparent to everybody

>>139705263
For many years, the retreats were a deeply hidden secret—because that’s the way Wyler and JONAH wanted it. For the “advanced” weekend, called “Journey Beyond,” participants signed nondisclosure agreements stipulating $5,000 in damages if they ever spoke about what happened there. When JONAH was on trial, Wyler attempted to exclude information about Journey Beyond on the basis of trade secret law, but the judge shot him down, and unsealed testimony from Jonathan Hoffman—a star witness for JONAH, a “success story” they held up as validation of their methodology. In it, Hoffman described a nude “rebirthing” ceremony.

The simulated birth is the beginning of a psychodrama-packed weekend spent almost entirely naked. First, attendees of the retreat strip down, and tie on blindfolds. Naked and blind, they are led to mattresses laid out on the floor. Staffers swaddle the men in blankets, tight, to “simulate the womb.” The men then wriggle out of their plush blankets—meant to approximate a birth canal—and staffers “come and kind of nurture these new babies…you know, kind of wipe water on their face, and kind of clean them up, and it feels very real,” Hoffman said. Next, the men play out boyhood, with a “crazy, fun father who like bursts into the nursery and says ‘Come on, boys, let's have some fun together!’” (Downing sometimes played the role of “father.”) By this stage, both participants and staff members are nude. The men are lead out of the “nursery” and into a field, where a “wild party” begins. There’s a waterslide, fireworks and “brotherly dancing” around a campfire. The naked men fling mud and throw cake—laid out for just that purpose—at each other. They’re all “just expressing their little boyish energy” for about an hour, explained Hoffman, who now lives with his wife and child in Jerusalem, where he works as a conversion therapy life coach.

>>139705276
Afterward, everyone showers together. “It's just carefree, you know, if there's cake on my back, can you help me get it off my back,” said Hoffman, adding that the nudity “becomes very secondary.” He explained that if men got erections during the weekend, they were encouraged to talk to a staffer to “process it,” talk about what might be causing it until it went away. In gay conversion therapy, sexual attraction is never just sexual attraction; there must be some sublimated drive, deficit or trauma to be dealt with.

Both Levin and Unger attended PCC’s entry-level weekend: Journey Into Manhood. The core theme is a loose interpretation of the Jack and the Beanstalk fairy tale, in which Jack (played by a staff member) is reclaiming his beans—his masculinity. The participants are awarded a satchel of beans to wear around their necks at the end of the weekend. The script dispels any ambiguity early on:
Jack : So what is up with the beanstalk?

Elder [a second counselor]: The beanstalk is a masculine image, a phallic symbol.
Jack: So the beanstalk is a big penis?
Elder: Well, symbolically, yes.

>>139704830
Sad thing is that you identify as your fetish, and you never tried to cure it.

>>139705250
>by driving Banana Slugs/Mangrove Killifishes ...
*into extinction

>>139705219
>and be as gay as they can so they'll deny them service and they can sue for a shitload of money
So in other words they are exploiting the jewish Capitalist economy like so many other americans going "IMMA SUE YO ASS" for just about anything, lel

>>139705325
Where is the evidence trying to cure homosexuality works?

>>139704830
Ignoring that political orientation (at least in the sense of basic values) and propensity towards religious belief has been shown to be very much hereditary, you still have about as much "choice" in what your basic values and beliefs are that you do in how much of a fag you are.

>Well leftists say I have bad naughty no-no thoughts, I guess I better just choose to stop believing in my faith and all my moral values!
You know it doesn't work this way.

Christfags don't like you and you don't like them. Why try to force some coexistent acceptance (favoring your own behavior over theirs) instead of just keeping yourselves separate?

>>139705395
Use scientific method yourself. For example try doing it, experiment is a great way to test a hypothesis.

>>139705345

Except nobody's business is going to be defamed around the world because somebody broke his back on the wet floor

But if a fag brokes his back then that means YOUR FLOOR IS HOMOPHOBIC!

Jokes aside that's not that far from the "logic" this people will use

Best you can do when fags go to your cake shop is say yes to everything then deliver as late as possible the crappiest cake you can get away with it so they'll never come back or recommend you to their faggot friends

Worst case you get a shitty review in some online service, big deal you can pay to get those removed

>>139705472
Wait religious beliefs are hereditary?

>>139704939
>I don't hear Christians trying to refuse service to people with clinical depression.
That's not illogical since Christianity itself has spread trhough means such as raiding-and-starving the formerly Aztec* Latin Americas ----> Conversions2Catholicism

or for that matter, """"Deus Vult""" christians doing misssionary work in Africa, exploiting niggs by rebuilding infrastructure (wells, school classsrooms) in exchange for jewish stories (---> Black Churches and $$$ today; negroid spirituality suppressed)

*idk what their religion is called as an -ism

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all the posts ITT are hidden because you faggots have to have your precious memeflags and you t_d newcucks reply to memeflags.

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>>139704830
I thought we got to choose our gender now?

How can there be intrinsic anything, yall have destroyed the entire concept of gender, and anything relating to it by saying that if you feel a certain way, then you are it.

You are a faggot, but you can feel any way you want bud. So stop it.

>>139705578
Not the specific beliefs, just how generally drawn to religion of one kind or another you are to give your life greater meaning.

Nice sniping for a weak point (that I wasn't actually making) and ignoring the rest of the post and the overall point I was making though.

>>139705554
>But if a fag brokes his back then that means YOUR FLOOR IS HOMOPHOBIC!
>Jokes aside that's not that far from the "logic" this people will use
I agree with you on how that is silly

but,

>Group 1 "They Gayz"
>GRoup 2 "The Right-Wingers" [republicans, Israel-supporting Bible readers in the U.S. broadly speaking (Trump had to appeal to such things to gain enough votes :^) ) ]

>Group 1 does [the thing you mentioned above]
>Group 2 acts in a similar way [BU-Bu-BUT WE ARE OFFENDED TOO!!]
>two dialectical sides, with a hidden Number 3 somewhere gaining from it

White american citizens bitching about whether merely white Straight men - X amount of thousands - or an added White females, gays and deluded trannies - Y Thousands MORE - should get killed by warring opponents... misses the mark [that is, White Racial Geno/Phenotype bloodshed that The People generally do not want in the first place]

(I'm using international warfare for my argument because the issue of Physical Lives Lost > Wedding Cakes Baked)

>Best you can do when fags go to your cake shop is say yes to everything then deliver as late as possible the crappiest cake you can get away with it so they'll never come back or recommend you to their faggot friends
lmao, that'd be funny to watch tb h

>>139705107
>>139705325

Sexual attraction towards men is not the same as a preference to a fetish. The best way i can describe it is, there have been people who've forgotten all of their memories but are still gay. There have also been some Amnesia patients who suddenly "became" gay.

Usually once a person lose their autobiographical memory things like fetishes are lost too, however homosexuality does not seem to have that kind of affect.

With that said, there are people who previously suffered from depression and chronic anxiety who, after amnesia, no longer experience depression on anxiety.

So it is not just a simple mental illness. It seems to be biologically hard coded. Man i wish i was not gay. It would make my life so much more easier. But simply not having sex with men does not change the fact that 100% of my wet dreams have been with men, all of my fantasies have been with men, and before i even knew what, "love" and "Sex" and "gay" was i used to get butterflies for my male friends but none for my female friends.

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>>139693994
pic related, it's the leftist logic

>>139705890
I am not defending trannies.

I can't make myself not be attracted to the same sex and you have no quality evidence that I can.

>>139705794
Political flags are part of /pol/ culture. If you just want to shitpost with country flags, >>>/bant/ may be more up to your speed.

>>139706112
>political flags are /pol/ culture
you're new aren't you?

>>139705890
>I thought we got to choose our gender now?
Wow, you must be fucking deluded then

>everyone is assigned, by Nature, with the $$$$$ needed to do Tranny surgery, at birth

>>139705890
>How can there be intrinsic anything, yall have destroyed the entire concept of gender,
Actually letting 'Facebook 76 Genders' and Marxist Academics influence your reasoning, wew m8

Did Oscar Wilde, Ernst Rohm or Harvey Milk live in an era where "We get to choose our gender/you just feel it mane" existed in the political arena? (Milk was young in the 50's/60's, I'm assuming the Zi Ze Zo Zum crowd hadn't begun yet in his lifetime)

>>139706035
>Man i wish i was not gay. It would make my life so much more easier.
Divorce Courts with Mom/Dad fighting over who gets to keep their children (in the event of a divorce taking place) and the - within Straight Male circles- so called "MGTOW" phenomenon suggests otherwise :^)

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>>139706268
Don't play oldfag if you came here after /pol/ harbor, it's laughable.
Pic related, how /pol/ used to look before the board was flooded with shitters like you.

>>139705522
>Use scientific method yourself. For example try doing it, experiment is a great way to test a hypothesis.

Let's see...

>Conversion Camps (USA)
>The Church making appeals to Natural Law (Catholicism) (Does not work, a Men-sexually-attracted-to-Men section of Vatican City inhabitants confirmed by the press***)
>ARguments with Appeal To Nature and moreover "Appeal to Genetics" (the argument 'Homosexual men do not reproduce, they are a flaw in the genetic code; Mother Nature is wise in exterminating them [= I get the right to decide to kill them for my own vain reasons]'... demolished by the repeated existence of Homosexual human beings + plant life + certain animal species'

*** They are celibate though, so it's OK in their case from a technical POV according to The Vatican (vs the people they charge with Hellfire for possessing the same innate quality the celibate priests do)

>>139694053
>free speech means gays die
Guess I'm killin' some homos then

>>139705578
Abraham --> Abrahamic Beliefs ---> Bible Passages ---> Messianism ---> Physical Trauma repeated through generations ["Hereditary"] ----> Circumcised male reproductive organs

>Jews in diaspora
>European-derived Americans
>some sections of the Muslim world in M.E./Africa
>Christian Africe

The trauma inflicted on the nerve receptors of the toddler (And psychological profile because >No Foreskin left in adulthood)... Combined with how the biblical instruction marks it as a hereditary thing (showing a link back to Abraham's lineage/his Cult)

>>139706107
Yes you can you fucking faggot, I changed my sexual orientation on my own with no problems whatsoever, there is nothing you from doing the same besides your own willpower.

>>139705107
lmao holy shit, get real

this is literally what r/NoFap does EVERY FUCKING YEAR but with the intent of gaining "Super Powers" (some hormonal activity restored + managing to charm women IRL for dates and relationships)

So tell me, does their Opposite-Sex *attraction* get """"cured""""" (you wished for Nullifed/Removed/Euthanized or whatever back in >>139704607 ?) as was suggested to the Same-Sex anon in >>139704830
?

>>139707182
From which one, into what?

>>139707507
Straight to A, I was always attracted to women but I found myself grow more contempt for society and relationships in general the last few years so decided to check out and just got used to not viewing them in a favorable or sexual way and now I couldn't feel the slightest attraction from a woman if I tried, regardless of how attractive she is. As far as I am concerned I'm more or less celibate at this point.

>>139707797
How many levels of repression are you on right now my dude?

>>139707847
I'm not forcing myself to do this so I'm not sure why you're bringing up repression, I just can't bring myself to even react if I see some porn video pop up or an attractive girl in public maybe being a little flirty with me. It elicits the same resction from me as men do, it might not be normal but I chose it and I don't see any reason to change it with the way women act these days, not that men are perfect realtionship partners either.

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>>139706447
begone

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>>139708119
delete this

pizzagate arrests happening:

>>139706775

>>139708069
So you are bisexual? I'm lost.

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>>139708162
this triggers the treecow

>>139694207
You obviously don't know a lot of poofters and trannys then. Some of the ones I know are the nastiest cunts on the planet.

>>139708193
I feel no sexual attraction to men or women, for most of my life I felt sexual attraction strictly towards women, though now I don't. Pretty simple.

>>139708288
Have you tried /r9k/?

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>>139708193
>46 posts by this ID
Can't wait till you degenerate vermin are put back in the closet where you belong.

>>139708320
That's partially what inspired me to take the plunge and decide I didn't need to ever be in a romantic relationship with another human being, I don't go there anymore because I decided it was just too depressing to stay lurking in. Maybe I'm just a bit jaded at this point but I am being serious when I say I feel no attraction towards women now, only an internal sense of revulsion whenever one tries to get on my good side by complimenting me or something because chances are if I were too get into a relationship with one of them they would screw me over royally one way or another. I'm fine being alone with me, myself and my money.

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>>139706282
I dont use facebook, but their insanity is a symptom of your disease. All you hear about these days on everything is LGBTQIAA++BCDs and then some.

Quit trying to act like your degenerate lobbies aren't pushing this gender bending trans shit on the newest generation.

I was bisexual for like ten years. I also used to be a vegan. As soon as I started eating me, I stopped taking meat because I tired of being a degenerate scumbag. Don't worry baby you can too...

>>139704106
being a cum guzzling fudge packer is a choice
I chose NOT to be
there is no dicksmoker gene

you are just a disgusting degenerate who chooses not to control his sexuality

no one is born gay, no one is born hetero
we are all born sexual
most of us have the willpower and discipline neccessary to control our impulses, recognizing uncontrolled sexuality (or anythign) is not only dangerous to the individual, but also to society

the ancients understood this, thats why they crucified faggots

>>139708069

>Shortly before the Buddha died, Ananda asked him a question concerning women: "How shall we relate to women, Master?" — "Do not look at them." — "But if one sees one, Master?" — "Do not address her." — "But if one talks to us?" — "Keep mindfulness and self-control." (DN 16).

>This question was posed by Ananda in view of the imminent death of the Buddha, just before the preparations for the funeral. This problem must therefore have been an important one for him. For himself he did not need an admonition to practice self-control; sensual desire had been overcome by him for 25 years. But during the years he had seen how the problem of the relationship between the sexes again and again stirred the emotions.

>The question may have been asked by him for this reason, but also on account of the warning of the Buddha that the Order was endangered through the foundation of the Nun's Order and its lifespan shortened. He wanted to give his contemporaries and his successors a last word of the Buddha on this topic.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/hecker/wheel273.html#section-5

I have been a truly devoted, mindful Buddhist for the past ten years of darkness in this world and I wish there was an easier way to say it.

Your sexual desire is a shortcoming, and those you desire will lead you to ruin if you let them.

>>139708119
>Le Putin meme
/pol/ was not right about that one eh

>Jewish Mother


>>139708447
>degenerate vermin

>That Pic
just as the harsh/intense fucking from guys like Rocco Sifredi represents ___ALL___ Male-To-Female sexual intercourse, lmao this guy right here

>>139693994
because gays don't threaten the elite

>>139708769
I'm not denying you can repress, I'm denying that eliminates the same sex attraction.

>>139704276
the bible does not condone harming others
but faggots do
knowing full well thier degenerate lifestyle is damaging and costly to thier own communities

killing faggots is simply preventing them from spreading thier disgusting diseases as well as fostering strong communities

>>139696830
So they would have to bake a cake with a swastika on it?

>>139708795
You are mentally ill, your existence serves no use but to pursue your own twisted, selfish desires of the flesh. You're an abomination that cannot even serve his primary reproductive function and ensure the survival and existence of his people. Why are you even alive? You're a parasite.

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>>139708795
>/pol/ was not
/pol/ was not created until about a year after that pic was made
>eh

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>>139708320
Why are you such a bigot? The guy is a-sexual and all you can think of is that he is somehow mental. Real classy coming from a homosexual. Tell us more about how "normal" you are and how "weird" he is.

btw kys.

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>>139694053
Milo go to /b/ and preach there theyd love you, fucking degenerate

>>139709020
>>139709020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandaka

> Pandaka is a Sanskrit and Pali sexuality term which does not have precise English translation, but incorporates (or perhaps confuses) multiple concepts associated with immaturity, voyeurism, impotence and infertility.

>>139709290
I am always a fan of how Wikipedia tries to spin clear concepts like this (given the "or perhaps confuses" addition they've snuck in there).

Sexual Immaturity.

You can grow, or you can stagnate.

Your choice.

>>139708843
there is no "same sex" attraction

there is simply the desire to procreate, chemicals released during this mating create feelings of desirability/fulfillment == happiness

you are simply addicted to a drug your body produces, and are willing to do degenrate acts that are harmful to your fellow human beings to get that drug

I am smarter then you. I understand the dangers, transmitted diseases, healthcare costs, mental instability, damage to reproductive fitness etc etc and I have the willpower to abstain from acts that are harmful to my community.

Dont bother with the "repress" BS

I am REPULSED, not by the sex act, but the cavalier manner in which you disregard the good of your fellow man for a fix of your favoutrite drug.

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>>139693994
ok hears the answer.... The left wallow in there own missary and have the sole motavation to make other pepole as missarble as them by things like getting them fired from there job. Its a fact your 40% more likely to kill your self because you hate who you are just for being one of them.

>>139708956
No.

>>139709194
Is this a new thing with anti-gay people using rainbow flags?

>>139709358
Keep telling yourself that. You will always be gay.

>>139709358
>I am REPULSED, not by the sex act, but the cavalier manner in which you disregard the good of your fellow man for a fix of your favoutrite drug.

>Favorite drug: Buttsex
Kek

>>139709358
Weakness perpetuates.

A weakminded approach to sex will allow you to live in your desire-filled state for as long as you're too weak to go beyond it, too enraptured by sensual pleasure, too overburdened with desire to escape inertia.

You are helpless because you choose to be.

You are trapped on an island of your own marooning.

Inner fire and strength is needed to burn away the impurities of the past.

You cannot escape necessary fire.

You must use it before it uses you.

>>139697273
Well even scientists are now leaning to there being no "Gay Gene" as shown by countess data involving twins.

If you like the bum bum fun then don't blame it on your mum.

>>139693994
Once we find the cure for faggotry, we can add an extra ingredient into those cakes.

>>139702455
>I have no problems with those laws
>I think those laws should not be enforced against people I disagree with

>>139709426
No its you who needs to keep telling yourself that others are "homophobic" or "repressing"

it YOU YOU YOU YOU .... who desperately needs to normalize the behaviour ... its YOU doing the mental gymnastics to try to convince yourself that "Im not the only one" ... its ok, others do it too, that makes it allright
those people are just afraid of us

it is you who is trying to repress the better angels of your nature

I understand my nature, and CONTROL it
You do not understand your nature, and it controls you.

KNOW THYSELF!

Who controls himself, controls the world.

There are many things in life we cannot change, and the world very smart spins and dances to its own tune. The one thing we can each do, is to gain control of ourselves. This we can change.

You can change too Milo.

>>139708703
>>139708320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5AkBBQWZR4

>>139693994
Why are businesses vilified for denying their services to african americans, yet google isn't for denying their services to right-wing individuals?

>>139708719
>I also used to be a vegan.
Diet -isms are a spook; you choose foods wth every single meal

White societies explored Raw/Vegan/Not-killing-animals eating long before jewish corporations managed to get hold of in-store products [why is Vegan-ISM onnly preached this hard on youtube and government level now that 'Vegan'-labeled products often overlap with Kosher-cert. ?]

>>139708719
>their insanity is a symptom of your disease
Facebook does not represent Real Life or how my life is lived in my physical proximity.

>Quit trying to act like your degenerate lobbies aren't pushing this gender bending trans shit on the newest generation.
1) Male homosexuals are into, wait for it, other males; 2010-and-onwards Transgender Fad and "Genderbending" is something else. Their media presence Online/News Print media is financed by (((think tanks and Orgs))) way beyond MY influence

2) I'd have to give proof of myself possessing any tangible (((Power))) then. Does everyone that inserts a lit cigarette into his mouth on a balcony, alone, simultaneously wanting to corrupt kids - macro/group societal level into smoking tobacco?

If you still insist on it, then how do you know any of your changes in life isn't tangled up into similar Lobbies dictating your every decision.

>>139709676
>countless data

that you have provided none of

>>139709717
Good luck forcing people to put hate symbols on cakes. I don't think you should be able to decline service to someone for say, having a Trump hat, but you definitely can decline putting a swastika on a cake. I don't think courts have disagreed with this ever.

>>139709758
How mad are you at not being able to be openly gay?

>>139693994
>Why are businesses vilified for denying their services to homos, yet google isn't for denying their services to right-wing individuals?

Because our society (media) values homosexuals and their behavior.

All businesses should have the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.

Discrimination is the key to human understanding.

Discernment is all we have.

>>139709558
I am far from helpless my friend. I am not trapped. I understand my nature, as best I may. btw I am happily married, with children and approaching my 20th anniversary.

If there is no gay gene, and homosexuality is a choice, then so too is heterosexuality.
I chose the latter, for a variety of reason, of which my posts indicate. It is the only healthy choice, for a stable life, body and mind.

In the end, all sex is "extra"

If you can't live without "extra", you are attached to something more than others.

More attachments mean more suffering.

The suffering caused by a lifestyle surrounding sexual activity is unsurmountable.

Pleading with others to accept your way as righteous will not make it so.

Escape is just so.

Sink with the ship if you'd like.

>>139694288
I never expected the battle Muslims vs faggots was going to be in the faggots way.

>>139709758
>KNOW THYSELF!
>Who controls himself, controls the world.
>There are many things in life we cannot change,
You just shot yourself in the foot there :^)

>>139709758
>it YOU YOU YOU YOU .... who desperately needs to normalize the behaviour ... its YOU doing the mental gymnastics to try to convince yourself that "Im not the only one"
It's easy to go the other way around:

> YOU YOU YOU YOU .... who desperately needs to normalize the behaviour ... its YOU doing the mental gymnastics to try to convince yourself that "Heterosexual repoductive sex is the only type of Sex found in Nature"
Try to apply your killing of fellow goyim humans (white canadians, I assume) because of their innate sexual nature... into Other-Than-Humans Kingdom.

>Plant species x/y/z gone
>Animal species x/y/z gone (too many to list, but the penguin is one of them)
you must be pretty fucking dense to ignore the havoc you'd wreck on various ecosystems.

btw, species of trees exists with both Sexual and Hermaphroditic reproduction. Apply Killing-Sodomites logic to those fruit bearing trees which DO NOT reproduce fruit without pollenation from another tree of same type.... and watch as oxygen levels get fucked

>>139694384
Being gay can he a choice, not that I give a fuck either way. Political Lesbianism is just one example that proves my point.

>>139709885
>How mad are you at not being able to be openly gay?

bait much

the real question is why are all the faggots so mad about thier choice. And if their not mad, why do they feel the need to push it in everyones face?

If there not mad, why announce it at all? If it doesn't play in their conscience, why the need to normalize it?

If there not mad, why do they feel the need to be "accepted" by society?

Its you who is projecting my friend. Its you who regrets the decisions you have made in your one and only pass through life.

>>139710023
>I am not trapped. I understand my nature, as best I may. btw I am happily married, with children and approaching my 20th anniversary.

Leave them then, your wife and children.

It would be easier for you to leave your view of "not trapped".

>If there is no gay gene, and homosexuality is a choice, then so too is heterosexuality.
I chose the latter, for a variety of reason, of which my posts indicate.

>It is the only healthy choice, for a stable life, body and mind.

What is the healthiest choice, Dr. Pepper or Mountain Dew?

You have always had "no choice" as a choice.

Furthermore, you've taken my post to heart rather than as a general lecture for all those engaging in sexual activity.

>>139710306
https://youtu.be/3j4t185wl-0

>>139710343
>I am not trapped. I understand my nature, as best I may. btw I am happily married, with children and approaching my 20th anniversary.

Leave them then, your wife and children.

It would be easier for you to leave your view of "not trapped".

>If there is no gay gene, and homosexuality is a choice, then so too is heterosexuality.
>I chose the latter, for a variety of reason, of which my posts indicate.

>It is the only healthy choice, for a stable life, body and mind.

What is the healthiest choice, Dr. Pepper or Mountain Dew?

You have always had "no choice" as a choice.

Furthermore, you've taken my post to heart rather than as a general lecture for all those engaging in sexual activity.

---

Fixed a formatting issue that added major confusion to the conversation.

Free market. I boycott homophobes, SJWs and AntiFa shills, not get the state to force them to change.
Take your business elsewhere.
The problem is some cucks think socialism works and can only think in terms of forcing compliance rather that appealing to their own self interest.

>>139710066
>More attachments mean more suffering.
How do you cope with being attached to you body, its organs, its need for nutrients

>The suffering caused by a lifestyle surrounding sexual activity is unsurmountable.
Works in the other direction too; thinkers such as St. Augustine went into extreme lengths to AVOID sexual activity with any humans ("Married to God only" thinking, was a long time since I read his biography, but-) and suffered as well

>>139710066
>Pleading with others to accept your way as righteous will not make it so.
>Escape is just so.
>Sink with the ship if you'd like.
>IF YOU'D LIKE [but not me, tee hee]
You still show that attitude of "I am righteous, no you" in your post m8

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You know what, fuck it. Let them take away our websites, our spaces that have us talk in the digital form; a form which we all agree is a contribution to our decadence.

Let them take our sites. We will meet up in real life and begin to work in the real world. Creating factions and groups of self improvement as our views grow more thrown under the antagonistic paintbrush.

We will craft ourselves into beacons of inspiration, physically fit, intelligent, compassionate and most of all powerful. Then, when the time is ready, we take back our country as a unit. Using the good values we created for ourselves to guide others into righteousness.

Let them take our sites. We'll see what happens next.

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>>139710402
>The problem is some cucks think socialism works and can only think in terms of forcing compliance rather that appealing to their own self interest.
This 'strayan gets it

>>139710066
This.

>>139710207
>KNOW THYSELF!
>Who controls himself, controls the world.
>There are many things in life we cannot change,
You just shot yourself in the foot there :^)

No I didnt silly. The world around us is largely beyond our control. I cant control you Milo, but I can control myself.

the rest of your post is unintelligle

are you smoking cocaine again Milo?
You need to stop that too.
Perhaps Bhuddism would help you. You too can transcend this mortal coil, without the use of bizarre sexual rituals or drugs.

try some Tai chi or soemthing.

>>139710402
A smart move is simply ensuring you don't tell the individual it's because of their orientation you won't work with them.

There are a plethora of reasons for not providing service to a person without needing to take a stand.

They'll know why you really sent them away, and so will you, but they won't have the legal backing to do anything about it.

I would not work on something that I knew was benefiting an individual who chooses a harmful life for themselves and others.

That means Muslim, Jewish, SJW, homosexual, trans, etc.

Basically any demon worship or severe personal attachment means I'm going to find a clever way of sending you elsewhere.

>>139709885
What about a confederate flag? What about a picture of Robert e lee? What about a MAGA hat? What about a message advocating lowering the number of legal immigrants?

What is considered hateful is a moving target driven by political correctness. What is considered tolerable right wing viewpoints might be considered hate speech in 2018 or 2019. Eventually we lose the ability to express any heterodox non-PC opinion in public. That's obviously what Google is trying to do.

>>139694053
My fucking god would you just man up and go to the fucking gym already?
>>139698822
He compared it to slavery you stupid fuck!
Slavery as bad as it is was a step up from just being killed.

Hell is other gay people!

>>139710457
>How do you cope with being attached to you body, its organs, its need for nutrients

This is a two part question. On the part of dealing with the body in relation to one's perceptions, I relate to it as so:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.119.than.html

>"Furthermore, the monk reflects on this very body from the soles of the feet on up, from the crown of the head on down, surrounded by skin and full of various kinds of unclean things: 'In this body there are head hairs, body hairs, nails, teeth, skin, flesh, tendons, bones, bone marrow, kidneys, heart, liver, pleura, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, gorge, feces, bile, phlegm, pus, blood, sweat, fat, tears, skin-oil, saliva, mucus, fluid in the joints, urine.' Just as if a sack with openings at both ends were full of various kinds of grain — wheat, rice, mung beans, kidney beans, sesame seeds, husked rice — and a man with good eyesight, pouring it out, were to reflect, 'This is wheat. This is rice. These are mung beans. These are kidney beans. These are sesame seeds. This is husked rice'; in the same way, the monk reflects on this very body from the soles of the feet on up, from the crown of the head on down, surrounded by skin and full of various kinds of unclean things: 'In this body there are head hairs, body hairs, nails, teeth, skin, flesh, tendons, bones, bone marrow, kidneys, heart, liver, pleura, spleen, lungs, large intestines, small intestines, gorge, feces, bile, phlegm, pus, blood, sweat, fat, tears, skin-oil, saliva, mucus, fluid in the joints, urine.' And as he remains thus heedful, ardent, & resolute, any memories & resolves related to the household life are abandoned, and with their abandoning his mind gathers & settles inwardly, grows unified & centered. This is how a monk develops mindfulness immersed in the body.

>its need for nutrients

Feed it.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/khantipalo/wheel271.html

>>139710648
Thats how our family does it. Didnt used to either btw. I geuss it was a slow change, as things became more polarized.
We wont hire non whites anymore, dont rent to them either, dont have anythign to do with faggots sjws, etc

Just dont need the lawsuits and bullshit actually. Would be happy to "live and let live", but it seems I am there enemy, so what to do.

Tell them your busy, position already filled, no vacancy, have a nice day. Just dont need the drama.

>>139710567
>The world around us is largely beyond our control. I cant control you Milo, but I can control myself.
That POV cancels out your own supposed self-control then; Reality's cruel necessities pre-dating the existence of yourself dictates your own given options just as how you claim "Milo" is incapable of being steered by your actions

>>139710567
>Perhaps Bhuddism would help you. You too can transcend this mortal coil, without the use of bizarre sexual rituals or drugs.
1) Buddhists procreate
2) Buddhist have their own sex rituals in certain sects
3) Buddha was BORN as a kshatriya prince, went through bodily extremities of various kinds
4) the most Traditional of buddhist strands of thoguht - namely, the Theravada lineage claiming Closest-To-Physical-Body-Gautama Buddha - also has its own strict as fuck temple hierarchy in its own geographical locations away from us in the West

>transcend X without use of [physical objects]
Meditation, disciplined activity choices and Sitting Still can be found in more than Buddhism m8.

btw, Buddhist countries suffer from (((warfare))) too in History; they have to use their bodies and fight IRL in this fleshy world too

>>139710457
>thinkers such as St. Augustine went into extreme lengths to AVOID sexual activity with any humans ("Married to God only" thinking, was a long time since I read his biography, but-) and suffered as well

>If one, longing for sensual pleasure, achieves it, yes, he's enraptured at heart. The mortal gets what he wants. But if for that person — longing, desiring — the pleasures diminish, he's shattered, as if shot with an arrow.

>You still show that attitude of "I am righteous, no you" in your post m8
I'm telling you why you're wrong about your life.

You can call me righteous out of spite.

>>139710993
You've tied the way to things, then said there's another way without all these things.

You can still use the way he mentioned.

>>139710960
>Just dont need the drama.
At the end of it there's simply the need to self-segregate for the purpose of attaining serenity.

>>139697986
I have to go else where to get a cake = harm?

>>139710993
No it doesnt. Self control is about self. Its not about others. I just suggesting bhuddism (mainly since your so hostile to Christianity). Some of christianity's best lessons are about self control and self improvement.

Despite all thier flaws, they and others, have all tried down through the ages to point the children of the earth to a better future (the same unfiortunately cannot be said of islam or judaism, which are manifestly supremicist in their thought),

You dont need any religion though ultimately to lead a moral and good life, or even to believe in god. Its just easier if you choose one of the mainstays.

You seem like you are searching. Why else would you be here? You just came to fight?

Try reading Viktor Frankl "Mans Search for Meaning." hes a jew like you Milo. He survived Nazi concentration camps .... funny thing is he never mentions any gas or mass murders, book was written in 1957. very interesting stuff

He discusses Logotherapy. He was a trained physcologist, which i skinda cool, considering where he went, must have been a case study in madness/insanity and well, a search for meaning.

Good book, would recommend.

Good luck Milo.

>>139710834
>And as he remains thus heedful, ardent, & resolute, any memories & resolves related to the household life are abandoned, and with their abandoning his mind gathers & settles inwardly, grows unified & centered. This is how a monk develops mindfulness immersed in the body.
This is something that's achievable without aquiring membership into Buddh-ism, ie meditation activites found around the world (+ strands of greek thought echoing this)

>>139711128
Which is why your "Become a buddhist" suggestion is weird to me.

If "without all these things" is valid, then why listen to the buddha if he too was tied to

>being born a kshatriya prince (wealth, material objects, palace life; all prerequisites)

>>139711023
>I'm telling you why you're wrong about your life.
Is anything non-buddhists say going to get countered by you saying "Any [lived bodily action] causes suffering ----> Stop doing [lived bodily actions]"?

Stilling your mind is found in >1 spiritual method

>>139711407
thats it basically. why would I want, or put my family in the position of, working with, or having to dfeal with, people who have decided I am their enemy, based on colour of my skin or chosen lifestyle.

anyways, have to work in AM

Good night to all.

>>139693994
This whole thread is cancerous. Abandon

>>139711707
ok, this post clarified your position to me a bit, thanks

>Despite all thier flaws, they and others, have all tried down through the ages to point the children of the earth to a better future (the same unfiortunately cannot be said of islam or judaism, which are manifestly supremicist in their thought),

>Try reading Viktor Frankl "Mans Search for Meaning." hes a jew like you Milo. He survived Nazi concentration camps .... funny thing is he never mentions any gas or mass murders, book was written in 1957. very interesting stuff
>He discusses Logotherapy. He was a trained physcologist, which i skinda cool,
Wait a minute, your doing the "Attached to Things" thinking here, suddenly his lifetime events matters VS me mentioning The BUddha-born-a-Kshatriya-Prince is downplayed

I'll check out the book and Logotherapy later, first quick reaction (wikipedia):

Rather than power or pleasure, logotherapy is founded upon the belief that it is the striving to find a meaning in one's life that is the primary, most powerful motivating and driving force in humans.[4] A
>in Humans
that would make the entire thing a Spook;

>created by a jewish man
>applicable to "All Humans"
>... just as say, 'Human Rights', 'Human Dignity', 'Common Humanity'; all ignored when deemed convenient (such as "Human Rights" by bombing Libya + Killing Gadaffi and stripping his citizens of newly gained benefits such as the Great Man Made River providiing them w/ water)

I'll check it out later though, any "Logos"-derived theory is fun to look at

>You dont need any religion though ultimately to lead a moral and good life, or even to believe in god. Its just easier if you choose one of the mainstays.
History is full of people not choosing, but being overpowered; your mainstays are still to this day backed up by military power IRL lel

>>139694288
>Muslims accepting of homosexuality
You mean "infidels" according to the Quran.

>>139711744
I didn't say "Become a Buddhist"

that's probably why it's weird to you.

>This is something that's achievable without aquiring membership into Buddh-ism

Dhamma does not require membership.

You are again confusing thing with way.

Matter is not the same as energy, no matter how equivalent.

>Is anything non-buddhists say going to get countered by you saying "Any [lived bodily action] causes suffering ----> Stop doing [lived bodily actions]"?

You're confused about the core of what you're talking about.

You're clearly just arguing for the sake of it.

>"Monks, I lived in refinement, utmost refinement, total refinement. My father even had lotus ponds made in our palace: one where red-lotuses bloomed, one where white lotuses bloomed, one where blue lotuses bloomed, all for my sake. I used no sandalwood that was not from Varanasi. My turban was from Varanasi, as were my tunic, my lower garments, & my outer cloak. A white sunshade was held over me day & night to protect me from cold, heat, dust, dirt, & dew.

>"I had three palaces: one for the cold season, one for the hot season, one for the rainy season. During the four months of the rainy season I was entertained in the rainy-season palace by minstrels without a single man among them, and I did not once come down from the palace. Whereas the servants, workers, & retainers in other people's homes are fed meals of lentil soup & broken rice, in my father's home the servants, workers, & retainers were fed wheat, rice, and meat.

>"Even though I was endowed with such fortune, such total refinement, the thought occurred to me: 'When an untaught, run-of-the-mill person, himself subject to aging, not beyond aging, sees another who is aged, he is horrified, humiliated, & disgusted, oblivious to himself that he too is subject to aging, not beyond aging. If I — who am subject to aging, not beyond aging — were to be horrified, humiliated, & disgusted on seeing another person who is aged, that would not be fitting for me.' As I noticed this, the [typical] young person's intoxication with youth entirely dropped away.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/buddha.html#bodhi

>>139712186
The point is evangelical Christians are the most hateful against gays in the United States.

>>139712191
>I didn't say "Become a Buddhist"

>>139708781
>I have been a _____truly devoted_____, mindful _Buddhist_ for the past ten years
:^)

>>139712191
>You're confused about the core of what you're talking about.
...
>Matter is not the same as energy
I get this one tho
>You're clearly just arguing for the sake of it.
K, i'll reread your posts then

>>139708781
>"But if one talks to us?" — "Keep mindfulness and self-control." (DN 16).
>>This question was posed by Ananda in view of the imminent death of the Buddha, just before the preparations for the funeral. This problem must therefore have been an important one for him. For himself he did not need an admonition to practice self-control; sensual desire had been overcome by him for 25 years. But during the years he had seen how the problem of the relationship between the sexes again and again stirred the emotions.
First reading of this ----> looks like Body-denying Stoic thought (emotional states = Bad)

>>139708781
>the Buddha that the Order was endangered through the foundation of the Nun's Order and its lifespan shortened.
This is a weird part of his lifetime desu:

>preaches separatism between sexes
>STILL agrees on the Nun's Order (why, in the first place? This conflicts with his earlier actions and teaching, both presumed perfect because Enlightened)

At best, it's a "He was enlightened on the nature of things and relationship between the human sexes, but decided to wreck the social order he previously demanded because he got enjoyment out of it"... bordering on the cheap rhetoric of "God is a sadist torturer" atheists use

>>139712731
>I didn't say "Become a Buddhist"
>I have been a _____truly devoted_____, mindful _Buddhist_ for the past ten years
>:^)

Two valid, independent statements, followed by an emoticon.

Is this the Common Core version of Logic?

>preaches separatism between sexes
>STILL agrees on the Nun's Order (why, in the first place? This conflicts with his earlier actions and teaching, both presumed perfect because Enlightened)

It was upon Ananda's request.

>"He was enlightened on the nature of things and relationship between the human sexes, but decided to wreck the social order he previously demanded because he got enjoyment out of it"

You're so far off from understanding non-attachment and it's becoming more and more clear as we go back and forth.

The Buddha was here to deliver the words at the request of those willing to listen.

It was an initial request that started his teachings in the first place. He was ready to peace out:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn06/sn06.001.than.html

Your view lacks the proper form to serve as the hammer you're using it as. Stop whacking.

>>139712191
>>139712191
>Dhamma does not require membership.
I don't want to sound like a dick here, but again IRL material life:

>Buddhism spread via Indian emperors' influence
>one human messenger of 'God' - the buddha ' implying an Universal Method (not totally unlike Prophet activity in monotheist Islam), vs how Buddhism has moralistic similarities in Jainism
I'll go back and re-read what you wrote earlier though before I go off on a wrong tangent

>>139713155
Dhamma literally means "way".

You're arguing a point you can't grasp.

>>139712696
Lol. When they throw gays off of buildings then you can talk about evangelicals.

>>139713433
Except that has never happened here and will never happen. Meanwhile evangelical Christians are an actual threat to gays having equal rights.

>>139713457
>Meanwhile evangelical Christians are an actual threat to gays having equal rights.

Rights, threat, equal, gays

Words thrown in to confuse the situation.

Those who choose to live a way get the results of that way.

All paths are paths. You take your own path while looking enviously at everyone else's.

Stop being so greedy.

>>139713647
You sound schizophrenic.

>>139713698
You sound defensive.

>>139713083
>It was upon Ananda's request.
But Buddha possesses full knowledge, why accept a deviation-from/degeneration of it?

>>139713083
>The Buddha was here to deliver the words at the request of those willing to listen.
Yet you insist that membership in his religion is not needed in the first place

>>139713083
>You're so far off from understanding non-attachment and it's becoming more and more clear as we go back and forth.
>>139713318
>Dhamma literally means "way".
I'm slightly irritated with anything I say getting countered by buddhist You referring to an a-historical 'way' and pure metaphysics overpowering my own "attachment to Things" (looking at IRL events and trying to deduce stuff from it). Again, Buddh-ism - the survival of Buddha's thoughts - demand politics IRL and emperors + military power backing it from getting attacked (such as original written literature getting translated and not destroyed)

>>139713647
>Stop being so greedy.
Why should he be attached to the confusion of Charity

>>139713647
>Those who choose to live a way get the results of that way.
You said earlier that most of reality is beyond our (Others + yourself) control. Btw, assuming you follow the buddhist idea of Transmigration (reincarnation) - it can already be seen in the very moralistic religion of Jainism, one of Buddha's "competitors" in his lifetime

I know a bakery that publicly said they "would not bake cakes for those that they don't believe deserve them". their business went up about twenty fold without any sort of specificities. I saw a skinhead and a BLM dude getting a cake on the same day. Funny shit.

>>139714038
>But Buddha possesses full knowledge, why accept a deviation-from/degeneration of it?
Deviation from what?

Degeneration of what?

All Buddha-Dhamma fades in cycles.

5000 years, 10000 years, I imagine Nibbana is about the same for both.

>I'm slightly irritated
That's evident.

>Why should he be attached to the confusion of Charity
That's a statement you've just entirely made up.

>You said earlier that most of reality is beyond our (Others + yourself) control.

I really don't recall saying that, so if you could quote the exact statement I made that would be helpful.

To address what you're saying anyway...

Suppose I were to choose the Freeway, thinking "this will get me home faster", only to discover I'm now stuck in traffic.

The way home is now gridlocked. All remaining exits are shut down for construction.

You'd be amazed how capable you are of trapping yourself in your own decisions.

>>139708781
>Your sexual desire is a shortcoming, and those you desire will lead you to ruin if you let them.

So,

you are saying that

>Desire, ie Sexual Weakness, is bad
>versus a Cleansing of One's Mind ---> being in sexual control (not falling victim to a craving, but _still having_ sex)
right?

If so then no wonder some posters over at r/NoFap (Reddit) quote buddhist thoughts for motivation

Otherwise, any buddhist country citizen procreating at all is perpetrating Dukkha; easy to fall into absurd conclusions as "Rather all buddhists killed themselves instead of prolonging suffering via newborn humans" then

>>139710346
The fairy does make a valid point, as much as these concepts or right, wrong, hateful and non-hateful are arbitrary and abused, like in the Google's case. What I don't understand is, if you said that bakery has the right not to sell to whoever they don't want to sell to, but then they can't claim to be "public", what would they legally be allowed to do? Open a new bakery that is "christian-only" or something? I don't understand the whole public or non-public thing.

>>139714428
They could register as a private club where you would need to pay for a membership to buy from there, but then they could deny Blacks or gays service.

>>139714537
Oh ok ty. So basically a private club kinda thing is the only thing that's allowed to deny service to people by their own standards in the US law?

>>139714384
>>139714384
>That's a statement you've just entirely made up.
As is yours "Stop beeing greedy" directed at >>139713647

>>139714384
>I really don't recall saying that, so if you could quote the exact statement I made that would be helpful.

over at >>139710567
>The world around us is largely beyond our control.
I have to read "The World" as making up "Reality"; the Buddha still needed a physical brain to formulate his thoughts via speeh actions regardless of the things he said about this world being illusory.

>>139714384
>Suppose I were to choose the Freeway, thinking "this will get me home faster", only to discover I'm now stuck in traffic.
>The way home is now gridlocked. All remaining exits are shut down for construction.
One of many possible outcomes, just as from 20 other days that Freeway route may provide me with the desired effect.

>>139714384
>You'd be amazed how capable you are of trapping yourself in your own decisions.
Buddhists aren't devoid of this themselves; anxiety over the smallest of things perpetrating an even longer Existence Of Suffering (such as "stepping on ants while hiking in a forest ----> more years in X reincarnations added??", I've seen this way of thinking from western buddhists at least)

>>139714903
The laws are whether a business is open to the public or not, that's what holds them to state and local discrimination laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_accommodations