whats the point of all these new youtube clones popping up? They

>>139665958
mirror till normies come?

>>139665958
I like both bitchute and vidme

>>139666067
will creators support this? I don't think so...

they're just positioning themselves in case youtube oversteps even more. There's a lot of bitching about CPM among youtubers. Something will give eventually.

Youtube is only concerned about keeping the normies which is probably the most profitable decisions, but there will be niches where less censorship can make a profit.

And who knows, there have been rapid swings like digg->reddit, or myspace->facebook

>>139665958
to bypass monopolies and censorships
u cant monetize your right wing political views unles u are neocon or have 10 lawyers behind your back like jones .

>>139665958
>What is the point dropping your red pills on sites without normies?

It's not a fucking popularity contest.

>>139665958
0.01 ruppee into your account for this post

>>139665958
It's like the internet from 15 years ago.

A lot of new websites. In the end, only a handful will prevail. Hopefully, Youtube ends up as MySpace and Bitchute becomes the new leader.

>>139666518
how if there is no monetization?

ill shove my bit up your chute

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>>139665958
Bitchute had potential, until they named it Bitchute.

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>>139666625

> b-but, m-muh shekels

chill the fuck out, kike. once upon a time there wasn't "monetization" on YouTube either. you need content before you can get advertisers, and you need advertisers before you can have users passed shekels for ads.

>>139665958

Who are you, Angela fucking Merkel ?

>>139666625
Are you stupid?
Things start off small then grow. They grow because people support them. If people dont support them when they are small and need growth because they are not already established, then we end up with monopolies ie google.

fuck off.

>>139666860
the point of yt going full SJW is because of advertisers don't want their ads on /pol/ content.

>>139666860
Monetization is a must in the long term

It just doesn't have to be like tons of flashy banners and pop-ups scattered all over the place

>Bitch
>oo
>tay

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>>139667086

yeah that's a very convenient cover for censorship, but i assure you that advertising targeting is far more advanced than you can possibly imagine. i used to work in the ad industry doing data science.

if they wanted to segregate it, they could. the simple fact is it's a nice excuse for them to both do less work and also enact the censorship policies that their hearts desire.

think for yourself. you sound like a butthurt "content creator" shrieking about his shekels.

>>139667028
>advertisers shit on google to remove their ads on /pol/ content because of some WSJ article
>most content posted on these alt sites is /pol/ content because it's banned on youtube
>advertisers will be suddenly ok with putting their ads on /pol/ content

you see the flaw?
ever wondered why 4chan barely can stay afloat even though its one of the biggest site on the interwebs?

>>139665958
>They don't have any real options to monetize these site nor can they ever pay content creators.
They said this about YouTube years ago, before Google bought them and introduced ads to it.

>>139665958

I don't get BitChute. I thought it was meant to have a comments system but every time I click on a video it just gives me a download page and I get the video sent to me. It doesn't stream, so it's worthless. I don't want to have to download a whole video to see if I like it or not.

>>139667441
>but i assure you that advertising targeting is far more advanced than you can possibly imagine
Precisely. They do have their targeting options and can easily opt out of political videos.

>>139666860
Plus who wants an ad supported web? Patreon / Merch model is superior, and really good content creators get paid in kind.
Read an old book, Oglivy on Marketing. He talks about buying TV spots in the late 70's. What does he do? Buys boring spots on reruns of old films, long spots 2-3mins. Why? When someone wants to watch something new (new sitcom), you can't ask much of their attention to perform another action (pick up the phone, and order your new product). People haven't changed.
Youtube's model is mostly directed traffic. YOU choose what you want. Not many just stick it on like an old movie and sit through the ad's. So it's infinitely less successful than 70's TV ever was, by design, because you can essentially only watch things you have a high interest in. Therefore, even the ad's won't call you to action well. The fix for this is hyper-targeting, which means a fucking incredibly specific ad would get you acting, but that is probably a ways off (think AI tailoring an ad with voice / video built off your history on the fly).
>"Hello, I'm this is Dr Pierce, you know, the huwhite man has to deal with a lot of annoyances, but one annoyance this huwhite man doesn't have to deal with is roaches. With Raid I gas them all away. Raid, kills roaches dead."
A possibility.
Until then, overall, ad supported on demand content is a dead fucking idea, Google knows it, the game is almost up. The crack down is more about having to tell their advertisers that CPM is lower because of "hate speech, new algorithm goy, of course some trouble".

>>139667472
>They said this about YouTube years ago, before Google bought them and introduced ads to it.
and started to filter out every non-ad-friendly content year by year...

>youtube clones
>p2p streaming
say what you want about the politics of it, but bitchute is a completely different beast on it's own. it's just so happens that the right wing is gravitating towards it because they're afraid of what youtube might do to them.

>>139665958
if your life depends on getting money on 10 minute youtube vids where you yell into built in camera you better rethink your life

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>>139667441
>>139667086

also, think about google's biggest ad source - adwords, i.e. the ads that show up on google searches themselves.

advertisers' ads show up on "undesirable" searches all the time. big advertisers have hundreds of thousands of keywords that sometimes make their ads show up on "/pol/-tier searches" and yet google doesn't prevent /pol/-tier searches (or do they...).

it's called brand safety. it's part of advertising. in general, advertisers are concerned about it but not overly obsessed with it. it's not a show-stoppingly big deal if ads get run on edgy content sometimes.

>>139667696
>Plus who wants an ad supported web?
Monetization doesn't equate ads per se. It's just that ads are the most common form. Sure, there are other forms, which are less annoying for the end user.

Tipping might work, this idea just needs to be pushed harder. The site could take a commission on each tip to function.

>>139667441
> I used to work in the ad industry doing data science.

I used to work as a pimp and your mom was my cheapest whore. Take your anecdotes and fuck off. Nobody wants to advertise on channels that will ruin their brand.

>>139667848
yeah, at least bitchute tries something different. But they still will need a huge server infrastructure to provide the quality which youtube does right now.

>>139668163

see

>>139668038

you don't know what you're talking about, dude.

>>139668247

Why should I believe anything that you say? Your entire argument revolves around you claiming that you worked in the ad industry.

>>139668163
In fact, I can easily figure out niches which are perfect for those audiences

Crypto is just one example, people with alternative political beliefs often take to crypto

>>139665958
Because YouTube is cancer.
You can't reliably monetize your content on YouTube anymore, so how is this any different?

>>139668594
if you put non-edgy advertiser friendly content on yt you still earn a lot.

>>139668424

lmao no it doesn't. i'm making true statements about the way ads work that i just so happened to learn doing it professionally. you can look it all up yourself, or you could keep trolling on /pol/ and shilling for YouTube.

>>139665958
They need to build ads in with the ability for users to choose which if any channels to view ads on. Then advertisers have to place their ads on content the users like.

>>139667475
You need to delete system32 folder

>>139668594
Monetization is a very broad thing. It doesn't necessarily mean annoying gay videos on autoplay. It's just that people most often associate it with ads, which is not correct.

As an example, you could leave a link to your own shopify store, saying "if you like my vids, buy my stuff here". This is monetization, but not traditional ads.

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>>139668038
>nazi flag
>posts girl with tattoos

>>139668179
Nope. It's p2p

>>139668179
you're the server m8.

>>139669442
and you still need a lot of servers providing everything everywhere in high quality and speed.

downloading p2p without proper trackers seeding always ended up being ultra slow.

>>139666512
It's called Rupee you taco xD

So, everyone hates ads and video ads. Understandably.

What do you think about the tipping model? I think it's pretty promising. Far from its full potential yet. The host site could serve as an arbiter, taking a cut on each tipping. You top up your balance first, and then tip your favorite video creators with one click.

>>139668694
Explain that to Reviewbrah who got demonetized

>>139666625
the same way thepiratebay works. BitChute isn't a business, it is a protocol that will be copied.

Anyone will be able to copy bitchute's index and host a clone site with the same videos. Hundreds of p2p streaming sites will be able to pop up and nobody will have the power to censor a video.

>>139670477
tipping works for a limited amount since only a limited amount of people are even willing to tip at all.

>>139670477

i like it. something like steem but for video. it would work great if the token were tied to the site itself so you could "tip" instantly instead of tipping through a standard crypto or fiat.

Bitchute can fuck off, they don't have absolute freedom and no one bothers to read their guidelines.

>Content containing or promoting pornography will not be tolerated.

So I'm not allowed to comment on porn or give a porn tier list if I'm a creator?

>glorifying violence will not be tolerated.
What the fuck does this even mean, am I not allowed to show guns? Am I not allowed to have fighting, simulated violence.

I need clearer rules and do's/don't than this vague bullshit. Creator seems like a person who likes to say believe something, but only believes in what appeals to them. What fucking happened to I might disagree with you, but I'll defend your right to say it.

>>139670799
Who cares, soon as bitchute leaves alpha you can copy their site and host a clone that has porn and red pills.

>>139670654
it's not like you can out your censored videos on some Russian hoster or torrent since always.

The point is that it's not really seen by any normies which this is all about and they still can revoke bitchutes domain / search indexing and making it another underground warez site...

>>139670720
I think we can find a solution. First, by convincing people of the benefits of tipping, making it fashionable. Second, we could encourage tipping by making full videos only available to tipping users.

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>>139665958
There's no actual worthwhile content in all these channels, is just aspergers and stormweenie shitposting in video form

88tube, trutube, bitchute, etc all have the same userbase of autists who are the least monetizing userbase out of the whole internet

None of these sites will take off, it's just a stormfag whimper before the final fall

>but muh YouTube clone circlejerk!!
KYS

>>139670941
It's not about porn, it's about absolute creative possibility. Instead some fag gets to say he believes in something, while at the same time stands on a moral high ground censoring shit for 'decency'.

You might hate south park and current comedy central, but you have to appreciate comedy central at least always allowing them to do whatever and tap dance the line. No internet medium would monetize a south park tier creation today, old comedy central stood by and defended their right to insult islam/Muhammad. you wouldn't see that today.

>>139670732
>it would work great if the token were tied to the site itself so you could "tip" instantly instead of tipping through a standard crypto or fiat.
Yeah, that was the point

Usability is everything

>>139671095
>it's not like you can out your censored videos on some Russian hoster or torrent since always.
but those aren't convenient streaming services or uncensored.

Bitchute just works on any browser, if clones keep getting stomped out then someone can create a site that tells normies what the new place to go is.

>>139671102
hiding videos behind a paywall gas already been tried many times and we wouldn't have this thread if it actually worked.

paying for HQ and other paywalls were actually pretty common in the pre youtube internet.

>>139671322
>It's not about porn, it's about absolute creative possibility
same point, they can censor what appears on bitchute but if their platform succeeds it wont matter because you can use an alternative that has bitchutes content and other content in the same location.

>>139671493
you can download warez from you browser as well yet most of these sites are hidden and not really visited by normies.

Also a lot of people got raided for torrenting.

>>139671652
You trying to steal their code later on, run to Peter Thiel and get funded with me?

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>>139665958

>(((MONITIZE)))
(((MONITIZE)))
>(((MONITIZE)))
(((MONITIZE)))
>(((MONITIZE)))
(((MONITIZE)))

The reasons why monitization was created:

1. So Jewgle could make money off content they didn't create

2. So Jewgle could (((shut it down))) by making content creators dependent on their system

Free content is the only way this works. Did you faggots learn nothing from Napster and the music industry?

>>139667237
Those who really care about their cause will do it without begging for shekels. Do you think Ben Franklin published anti-British pamphlets because he was making money off it?

You filthy kikes.

>>139671784
>a lot of people got raided
for torrenting copyrighted content...
Also bitchute isn't hidden, and clones wont have to be hidden. If you don't want to be raided you can police your own clone for copyright infringement or hope it catches on so well the feds would have to arrest everyone.

>>139671881
nigger read the faq
https://www.bitchute.com/faq
>Can I host a torrent on my site?

>Yes, the more the better. Otherwise, this project is just another YouTube wannabe. We will eventually have tools and tutorials to assist and encourage this. Torrents take on a life of their own and can operate independently of any web site that indexes them. Your website can be another index as we work towards a decentralized Internet.

Not that bitchute is great or anything, but the great thing about the US is your time and your money are everyday votes. when you upload to youtube, you are essentially voting to keep youtube afloat. same with going to a restaraunt, swimming at a pool, purchasing groceries, etc. when you refuse to give your time and/or money to a company, you can alter policy. if enough people "vote" the same way as you, the business must alter it's policy to conform to market demand; otherwise, they fail. that's why greedy 1% are not necessarily a bad thing. the drive to make money typically creates products and policies that the market "votes" for. a ceo doesn't care what his company's policies are as long as his product is selling and his bank account is full. in the end, it's not that bitchute is good, it's that you are finally able to cast a vote against youtube. this goes for gab and all the other dotcoms.

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>>139671547
>hiding videos behind a paywall gas already been tried many times and we wouldn't have this thread if it actually worked.
I am sure those were things of a totally different kind, and what I am talking about is not really your traditional subscription services. It's not about paying money to the site, it's about spending money ON the site, paying other people. The site just takes its small cut to function.

Like, if you want to be part of the community and have access to full videos, donate at least 1$ worth of tips monthly to other people. The entry level should not be really high. I think this might work and it fosters reciprocity.

>>139671960
Google and Facebook are advertising companies.
People literally create content for free so they can sell you advertisements.
Anyone who works that many hours without getting paid is a moron. Anyone who believes anything those stupid companies say is a moron. All they want is attention and clicks.
They sell advertisements. Advertisements on your phone, or on your screen. It's just ads.

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>>139672094
>publishing pamphlets is the same as having a full time job producing videos that don't actually create any income or wealth in any form
You niggers are done for, also, it's retarded to compare Ben Franklin to millennial mouthbreathers who live off YT shekels, lmao.

>>139670336
Taco?
It's Takka for the Bangladeshis

>>139672472
>Anyone who works that many hours without getting paid is a moron.

Not necessarily. Not if they only care about getting a message out there.

The morons are those who let others make money off their work.

>>139672189
>Also bitchute isn't hidden, and clones wont have to be hidden.

not yet... but if people keep uploading content from youtube they don't own they will have to take action soon.

and content creators willingly upload their stuff without any monetization won't happen in a scale that can compete with youtube.

>>139666795
BitchU trippin?

>>139672094
This is complex, there are a lot of reasons while purely cause-driven projects usually don't work

In short: if you stand for your cause, you need the masses to listen to you. And the masses usually flock to where they find recreation and entertainment.

>>139672563
Who says Youtube has to be someone's fulltime job? It shouldn't be.

>>139665958
I think BitChute has the potential to surpass YouTube if they play their cards right. Currently they need to be focused on improving the functionality and interface of their website. YouTube's monetization model is failing for them, the overhead cost of all the servers they need for video streaming is too much to pay for with ads.

BitChute can make their server overhead near 0 with use of BitTorrent streamed video.

>>139665958
Use LBRY.

very concise argument and very well put OP. YOu summarized everything about why this is doomed to fail. I have nothing to add to your great wording.

>>139672303
could be worth a try.

paying some money and distribute that money through like or so to the creators.

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>>139672563

right, now actually take a moment to think about what you just said and realize there was no internet to get information for the pamphlet, all the books were expensive and old, and everything had to be laid out, typeset, and printed by hand.

still think being a YouTube Content Creator TM with your Rode mic and ring light and pirated copy of Adobe Premiere pro is such hard work compared to putting together propaganda pamphlets in the late 17th century?

>>139672669
That's why Youtube needs to be taken down, just like Myspace was. But it won't go down if people insist on staying.

Speaking for myself, I have deleted all my Google-related accounts and installed AdNauseum.

>>139668854
How did you get into something like that?

>>139666795
>Bitchute
>Shitboot

>>139665958
First you build the audience. Then you figure out how to monetize.

The future for conservatives will probably be one of the conservative sites like CRTV, Compound Media, (((The Rebel))) starting to gobble up all the talent and make money from subscription.

>>139672856
Yeah, and I think the sense of community might be very real

>>139672688
>Who says Youtube has to be someone's fulltime job? It shouldn't be.
How so? You do realize you need money to cover events and spend lots of time investigating some topic?

Don't tell me you think a guy like molymeme doesn't spend lots of time and energy on his show? I assure you he wouldn't make the show if he didn't earn any money

You niggers unironically believe every youtuber is just doing their show for finales while they own a business that generates income for them

Fucking retards

>>139666795
Literally bitch ute

>>139672874
AdNauseum is bullshit, I'm too lazy to explain why

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>>139666795
Oi vey it's such a bad name I say.

>>139672866
Ben Franklin was a wealthy man who paid people to do it for him, he also owned businesses and sources of income

You're comparing ben Franklin to some YT millennial retards who have never done any real work in their lives

Most YT e celebs simply don't own businesses oside of their YT channels

>>139665958
OPs obvious attempt to black pill
Fuck off sir, fuck right off

>>139673311
If this only affects YT millennial retards, why do we care?

Legit idea, folks

>>139670477
>>139672303

Spread it if you like it, maybe we'll see it implemented more and more

>>139673860
YouTube millennial retards are the only people producing content in such form, that's the topic of this thread, is it not?

It's hilarious how you niggers expect people to pump out content that involves lots of time, energy, and money to produce

Should youtubers just move to their parents home so they can keep pumping out meme videos?

Geez, I can smell the NEET stench in this thread

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>>139666795
Using webtorrent is the future of Video hosting. BitchUte is a step in the right direction, but holy fuck their name is retarded. Still think it has potential though.

>>139672608
Then they should create their own websites, manage their own advertising and get their own clicks.
example; Infowars.

>>139675483
Infowars' sole source of income comes from selling overpriced chink supplements, you have no idea of how hard it is to get advertisers on your site, even moreso if your brand associates with white nationalists / nazis and memes about the jews

You tards thought the goose who lays the golden eggs would last forever and never planned ahead, that puts a big smile in my face.

>>139675905
you are butthurt. Whites won the mexican american war, accept it like a man.

>>139675905
Alex Jones is a shill who knows his limit, the way he treated David Duke exposed his true string pullers.

also reminder that Mexico is a meme country created by various European conquerors and quasi-wannabe monarchies who viewed the native as savage slaves until all their blood got blacked out by mixing. Modenr mexican claiming to own North American land is like a modern white with 3% native american DNA claiming to be related to the owners of North America. you just have more shitty blood, but ultimately are not the true natives

>>139675905
Well, donations. Donations are the way to go. People like donating for a cause.

The thing is, donations ALSO need to be advertised. It's not enough to put a "donate to us" button on the sidebar. You need to use various marketing techniques so that people really donate to you. But it works, especially if there's a deep cause, and not regular recreational content.

Other than that, I know of a couple of niches that work with the alt-right audience. I personally know what I could easily sell to them.

>>139676229
I'm the opposite of butthurt in this day, friend. Don't expect Mexicans to treat you well if you're gonna throw every rancid wretched racist comment at us.

>>139676254
And that should tell you everything about why YT ecelebs aren't going to keep pushing content unless YT lets them back in.

Accept that you can't make hate profitable

>>139676579
>stormnigger NEET passing any judgement about any given group of people
Lmao, the irony.

>>139665958
BITCHUTE IS P2P VIDEO PLATAFORM

HOW CAN'T YOU FAGGOTS DON'T SEE THE POTENTIOAL FOR FREE SPEECH

>>139665958
>YouTube fairly recently adds monetized videos
>Existed for years without monotonized videos
>"How will this new site survive?!?!?!"

Answer this, everyone: >>139670477

Like it?

>>139676995
I do

>>139676728
>Accept that you can't make hate profitable
MSM and academia has done so towards white males. Accept that this will eventually end in violence, and the white males will be dishing out our share of it, which historically is catastrophic for those who bear its brunt.

>>139677721
I already proved him wrong above

>>139677316
ads run for years now on youtube

>>139666330
The normies came because they like edgy material. Not full blown 4chan edgy but the filtered stuff. Youtube is banning even that. It's turning into some really dry boring shit.

>>139675905
Yeah, and Google and Facebook's sole source of income is putting ads for shitty products everywhere with 0 accountability. Half of them probably install spyware.

It's the fucking internet. Everything on the internet is bullshit.

>>139677721
The vast majority of YT content has nothing to do with "muh white male persecution", there are more videos about cooking than there sre about 'muh Marxism!!'

Stop depending on leftists to finance your right wing hate, stormnigger

>>139677316
>>139678008
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/aug/22/advertising.digitalmedia

>>139677811
Expanding WeSearchr and Hatreon will enable this, but it's an uphill battle and it's most likely going to end up as a just a right-wing echo chamber.

Even leftists want to see GoogleAmazonFacebookApple dismantled with antitrust laws and positioned as government regulated services cause they are butthurt that they helped Trump win. So as the time is drawing closed for the free internet where right leaning voices (called "hate" by butthurt people with no argument) decisively won the popular opinion, so too may be their time as being the MUH PRIVATE COMPANY monopolies who cherrypick which extremism they deem allowed.

>>139678137
Archived that for you
https://unvis.it/theguardian.com/media/2007/aug/22/advertising.digitalmedia

>>139676640
People need ad money in addition to donations, if donations were enough YT right sing niggers wouldn't be making such a fuzz about it.

>>139678136
Keep it up. You all know the backlash is coming. Trump is already wreaking havoc on your communities both here and in your meme country. nothing compared to what's coming.

>>139678361
>impotent rage intensifies
It hurts when you can't argue back, doesn't it?

>>139678332
Ad money is shit, in fact. Ad revenue is not that big. You need a shit ton of visitors and a good normie niche, not alt-right. Selling your stuff is way better, for that matter. Like books, t-shirts, accessories and other shit. And if you stand for a political cause, donations are always the way to go. White people don't like watching themselves disappear, so they're ready to part with some money if someone stands for them.

>>139678627
>impotent rage
Trump won.... Arpaio got pardoneed.. Check the deportation numbers... etc. It's only the beginning of a trend.

If you want to accuse thers of being unable of arguing, put some effort into refraining from using meme words like "hate" and "bigotry."

>>139678991
The topic here is how right wing niggers can't profit without mooching off leftist infrastructure and services, but somehow muh trump has something to do with this topic, I have no doubts you are a legitimate low IQ stormnigger, even other shone have showed to be better intellectually equipped to argue.

>>139678627
No tech companies lasts forever.
Samsung doesn't need Google's shitty advertisement filled Linux OS on their phones to sell phones.
These giant tech companies (specially Google, Facebook and Tesla) are inflated with cash and worthless. They don't produce anything of value. Facebook and Google literally just suck up information and try to push advertisements to people. They collect as much data as possible, and they are getting hammered in advertising revenue declines.

>In the first quarter of 2015 Google took in $17.3 billion in revenue, up 12% year over year. Nearly all of it -- $15.5 billion -- came from advertising sales. About $12 million of that came on the company's own sites with the rest being derived from its network.

Google and Facebook are not IT companies, they are not technology companies. They produce nothing, they simply collect information and sell advertisements. They are advertising companies. They are not worth anything. The internet does not need them to survive. They will die off when it becomes uncool to use it, just like Web Crawler, Excite, AOL, ICQ, MSN Messenger, Netscape, Novell, IBM, Napster and thousands of other tech companies and products that completely disappeared from the markets they dominated not 10 years ago.

YouTube will disappear and die because they are getting to political. People use the internet to find the information they want to find, not to find the information that gets the most clicks or that the companies believes is best for you.

>>139679171
Other anons*

>>139678908
Can you post an example of a right wing YT celebrity (from the strain of Lauren southern, millennial woes, etc) who gets more money in donations than they did on ad revenue from google?

>>139679307
No doubt YouTube will die in a decade or two, but it isn't going to die at the hands of memers who want to profit on hate, that, I can assure you.

Google can also afford to pump money into YouTube indefinitely, whereas right wing niggers can't even leave their parents basement.

>>139671960
Daily /pol/ redpill:

If you are not paying for it, you are the product.

>>139679171
>western civilization and its science and technology were built upon colonialism and exploitation of non-whites

>western civilization and its fruits are leftists infrastructure

pick one

>>139679586
Who are you strawman-quoting, dumb nigger?

>>139679546
>profit on hate
MUH WHITE MALE OPPRESSION IS WHY MY COUNTRY IS SHIT

>>139671960
>Free content is the only way this works
Then there is very little incentive to make high quality videos. Some will do it out of passion in their spare time sure but that's the best we'll get.

>>139679718
MUH PRIVATE COMPANY IS LEFTIST INFRASTRUCTURE

>>139679722
>muh leftists and jews are why I'm a worthless neet, dey b keepin' me down
I can strawman too, this is your last (you) unless you bring forth a non shitpost, getting tired of your transparent butthurt.

>>139679307
>Google does not produce any technology

Hahahhahaha

>>139679323
>Can you post an example of a right wing YT celebrity (from the strain of Lauren southern, millennial woes, etc) who gets more money in donations than they did on ad revenue from google?
Youtubers have their own thing. I'm talking about regular websites. They're impersonal, so it's easier to think of them as movements that stand for your cause, and then donate. Youtubers are personalities, you can't be a youtuber and say, "oh, if you support this political cause, donate to me, because I represent it". Regular sites in that case look more like propaganda machines than single video bloggers, and that's much better for donations.

>>139679985
>transparent butthurt.
Stop using meme, crybaby phrases like "hate" if you want to accuse others of being transparently butthurt without looking like a hypocrite.

As long as it's got a share button and can be played in any modern browser, it does the same thing as Youtube. Youtube isn't anything special.

>>139665958

Vidme is normie central, it's full of makeup, gaming, and style stuff. Also decently large.

Bitchute just barely got on the radar, give it time to grow OP.

>>139673152
Used with whitelists it is good. Punish advertisers for not showing ads on the sites you like, and reward ones that do.

>>139680235
>Youtube isn't anything special.

tell any other web content host seeking to monetize through selling ads that. This is why they're pushing monopoly and government regulated service narratives, which are clamping down on google in proportion with their clamping down on the 1st amendment

>>139665958
Rome wasn't built in a day. Of course they don't have all the things, they've just started. Youtube is 12 years old.

But so what. If the Titanic sinks, what else are you gonna do? Better to start supporting them so that they grow and have a better interface.

(BitChute being p2p also means it's probably uncensorable)

>>139679546

It actually will. It's the dark side of the internet that generates most of the revenue online. Not the SJW fags.
The biggest channel on YouTube is PewDiePie, and he's red pilled as fuck now. He redpills millions of people every day.

To say that YouTube isn't a big draw for conspiracy theory videos, old WWII documentaries, right win commentators, skeptic community folks is just stupid. That's a major draw.

People don't really care where they go on the internet, it doesn't have to be Facebook or Google. It's just this generation that doesn't really remember the internet before them. The US Government also had a software spot for these companies.

This is the Advertising companies response to the FBI
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-27/us-government-can-legally-access-your-facebook-data-and-now-we-know-how

https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/13/google-begins-releasing-its-secret-fbi-subpoenas/

https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/04/google-told-to-hand-over-foreign-emails-in-fbi-search-warrant-ruling/

I tend to think Microsoft at least tries to fight back
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-23/microsoft-asserts-clients-rights-in-fbi-e-mail-searches-fight
I think they understand the internet a little better from being in the business so long.

>>139679997

They really don't. They make a lot of click bait stories, but they make money getting attention. That's their job as an advertising companies.

>>139680084
The collective of youtubers bring in a bigger audience and a lot more content than, say, spergs writing a meme article for the dailystormer.

It's an uphill battle and you are lying to yourself if you unironically believe you can run a site like the daily stormer on ads and make a big profit to keep expanding.

You cucks got your google shekels taken away from you and it's not coming back, you're also going to be cucked by registrars and ad networks as soon as people complain to these companies about the content you're pushing.

Alex Jones for instance doesn't talk about muh white nationalism, hates on the Jews, etc for the very same reason, you get cornered by everyone

You could move to TOR but that would introduce a technical complexity that will scare away "normies", thereby turning your site into a circlejerk, as it always does, just like this example >>139672563 in the pic

>>139666860
This.

>>139668875
You might not need traditional ads in the first place. Things like this might do better: >>139670477

>>139680342
There are too many issues with adnauseam, one of which is that you're basically making Google's competitors weaker, and Google stronger, because Google has better quantitative analysts and better algorithms that weed out that fake crap, while its competitors don't. I'd definitely donate to AdNauseam if I were Google

>>139671160
then fucking repost all the usefull videos that were shoa'd from jewtube.... duh...

>>139680566
Yeah, le pewdiepie showed a pic of some guys holding a sign with the text 'kill all jews', such redpills XD

Pewdiepie is a meme channel and he will also fall in line as soon as he loses his shekels

YouTube isn't going anywhere bud, pewdiepie will continue to make money on YouTube because he's got no other choices.

I agree that people don't care what site they go to, but it's idiotic to assume that they'll just move to other site where there isn't a business model to generate value or profit. You lack any real options here.

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>>139680709
>cucked by registrars and ad networks
They things didn't exist 10 years ago, and you can easily get around them. You just type an IP address into your browser and you are there.

I really don't think you understand how big the deep web is.

>>139681150

No, Pew drops red pills every day. He still gets 1.7 million views. Everyone who likes PewDiePie, now hates Youtube. That's a big chunk of subscribers who will follow him to a new platform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEJzprv013U

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>>139670477


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MxRyloj2Q

>>139681193
>just type the IP bro!
Even if you got a nice IP like 9.9.9.9 I assure you that most people wouldn't visit your site, there is a reason why DNS was invented, practicality.

Your only options involve running a site with non practical methods to access it, lacking any real business model, and also they lack the huge content that YouTube has.

People only watch dumb alt right memes on YouTube because they're watching other shit and it gets recommended to them, your hypothetical solution would be full of circlejerk videos, without taking into account the other aspects I mentioned earlier

>>139680767
Make adnausaum harder to detect. Don't click every ad, just one or two sometimes. Even if the punishment turns out to be ineffective, a culture of blocking ads except for your favorite sites rather than lazily blocking them all with ublock will have a positive effect.

People love to punish, and adnaus really let's them do that.

>>139680709
>The collective of youtubers bring in a bigger audience and a lot more content than, say, spergs writing a meme article for the dailystormer.
That's a different issue, as I said above, people flock to where they find recreation and entertainment. The question is how to catch their attention.

>It's an uphill battle and you are lying to yourself if you unironically believe you can run a site like the daily stormer on ads and make a big profit to keep expanding.
I did not even claim that, I openly said that ad revenue is generally shit. And those who run those sites run them for a cause. Monetization might be not considered by them at all. They seek exposure in the first place.

>You cucks got your google shekels taken away from you and it's not coming back
Yeah, it kinda sucks do depend solely on Youtube. No doubt about that.

>you get cornered by everyone
Who exactly? Can you see my icon?

The point is, and it still holds valid, that donations for a political cause work, work, work. Especially if you represent a movement. There needs to be more donations.

>>139665958
>>139666244
I get your points, but I think it's a great site for hosting videos that get deleted off YouTube for whatever reason

Also the P2P idea is very cool, I hope it does well

>>139665958
See, Youtube didn't start with monetization in mind.
It was just a cat videos sharing site.
Then advertisement happened. Which was fine because you need to maintain/grow the infrastructure for all the cat videos.
Then greedy people said they wanted to get a part of it.
But now that advertizers are involved, you can't just say anything.
Ofc Goolag's become SJW hell too.

That's why I think BitChute is cool. IT's Youtube from 2004.
But I don't know how they'll survive the mountain of lawsuits that's bound to happen to them, when the inevitable clusterfuck of piracy/inappropriate contents happens to them.

>>139681344
>they will follow him to a new platform
Then why hasn't he moved yet? What's stopping him?

He also has the money to finance his own site or an alternative platform as you say, I wonder why he doesn't do it

>>139674474
There's a better reason not to use Adnauseum, namely that having a browser extension that constantly opens background connections to wherever random ad links lead is pants on head retarded from a security standpoint. Enjoy your trojans and assorted malware.

>>139680709
>I have to have something shut down cause it hurts my feelings so badly and I cannot provide a counter argument besides algorithmically forcing John Oliver globally onto the front of user feeds

The cucking is in popular opinion, the Trump victory is the result. Watch for 2018 and 2020, youtube meme e-celeb accounts and symbolic leftists censorship (sorry, "hate crime") victories will mean nothing in terms of influencing actual policy.

Most right wing posters outside of Alex Jones territory don't even use it for money, they do so for influence and fun and didn't even expect to achieve. Your indivudally articualted sense of threat, pain, and woundedness, which you wrap up in bravado and alt-right terms like "cuck" to appear less weak, is proof of how effective they are.

>>139681562
That's the dumbest shit I ever heard. I used to play some old videogame back in the 2000's and the main servers went down. The community built a new server and spread the IP addresses and everyone who wanted to play just modified the main server in the config files and we played on the guys who host server.

The same people who visited your site with a URL will visit it with an IP.
Or you can just create your own DNS server and add the entry yourself.
If people want to visit the site, they'll visit the site. It's not hard. Just add a bookmark and post links on othersites.

You don't have to "do the internet" the way the companies want you too.

People generally don't publish videos on YouTube to make money, that usually happens by mistake. If things are popular enough online, they'll get noticed and make money with or without Youtube.

You can't seriously believe that Google created the internet, can you? All of this stuff (including 4chan for that matter) was around long before Google monopolized it. And it will all continue to exist well after it disappears.

>>139681571
Google pretty much has seen it all before. It has fought click wars for more than a decade. It has fought against massive botnets which fully imitate user behavior and do it stealthily, not by sending out 100s of clicks an hour from 1 IP. The whole adnauseam thing is just noob-tier. Google's quants crack it like peanuts. Google's competitors might take a hit, though. I can imagine everybody flocking to Google because only Google can weed out all this fake traffic. Great strategy, lol

Fuck Google, yeah, but fuck AdNauseam too

>>139681910
He's a millionaire and doesn't care anymore. He'll probably just retire in the next few years and do something else. I'm surprised he's even still going now.

>>139681825
Bitchute will have nothing but YouTube rejects on it without monetization. It will be a Dirty Site, not an awesome site that allows cool edgy shit. Normies will stay away

>>139682201
Yeah, but nobody I know actually gives a fuck about YouTubers. I can't even name 2 of them.
We watch documentaries and shit which are probably on there illegally anyway. If youtube wants to block my videos, I'll Bing search the title and find the next site

Or I'll check forums for sites I've never heard of and watch it there instead. The internet was alive and well before search engines made it easy for normies.

>>139665958
advertisers will come where people go

that is unless you really break the law hard and put these companies in a bad light / give them trouble like on ie tpb

they used to have some smaller/shifty adds if you remember that. they actually earned a bit on that part. Had it been legal though, the shekels inflow would have been massive

>>139682093
Some mistakenly think if they find the most popular mediums (used to be TV) and censor it non-stop until it's in a leftist ideological dead zone, then they have somehow won the war. "You can't influence the normies without (TV, Radio, Google, Facebook,Youtube, etc..)

The young generation is going to be drawn to the more exotic and wild-west internet, and as long as leftist thought control is in effect the young and intrepid people will naturally gravitate towards that as a plant does to sunlight. Then they will send it to their older relatives and friends and the process will start all over again.

The demonitize idea is nonsense, it's about threatening ideas. When they use the buzzword "hate" you know you've committed a thought crime.

>>139682093
I highly doubt that your <200 users videogame is a practical example that can be compared to getting millions of people to add entries to their hosts file

Also, enjoy accepting shady self signed certificates nigger

Holy shit this chain of replies is getting more ridiculous with each iteration of your posts

>>139682119
I doubt they've seen ubiquitous fake traffic. They can weed out a host that is part of a botnet, but if all the hosts are participating, then they have to throw out the baby with the bathwater

>>139681963
The vast majority of people who voted trump aren't watching Lauren southern videos and going to the daily stormer, retard

>you use the word cuck to appear less weak
No, you literally got cucked, by leftists, no less!

I gotta ho back to work as I've already wasted enough of my time in this thread, sorry if I didn't reply to every post. I leave with a bit smile seeing as everyone in this thread has no idea of what they're actually doing.

>>139682545
It's not an "experiment", that's just how the internet actually works.

You don't need to add entries to your host file, you can just change your DNS to another provider that you trust. You don't have to use your ISP's DNS servers, or Google's DNS servers.

You could create Peer2Peer sites. There are literally a million ways to get around Google.

Google is like Cable TV. You know? All the old baby boomers sit around watching TV, watching all the commercials, scheduling their lives around when TV shows start.
Now we just Google shit and find and watch it whatever we want.
And after that, we'll just go to what we want without the Googling in the middle. Google is an advertising company. They take content that already exists freely on the internet, and put ads infront of it. Without Google, a few stupid Youtube channels might die, but the other 90% of websites they just link to won't go anywhere.
My bank does not need to be in Google's search engine in order for me to go there.

>>139668179
Literally no. And that's why I believe in Bitchute. It doesn't have the Voat problem . Coat has had so many chances, but can't displace redit because scaling.

>>139682488

I agree. The internet is always a downward spiral. The dark web very much exists, and it's huge. The daily stormer and 4 chan are nothing compared to the conversations and images on tor
Even 4chan today is far more civil then it was 10 years ago. Even 5 years ago.

>>139682763
censorship, when not of spam or vulgarities but of ideas, is a way of confessing you have no argument. It's a position of weakness, always threatening to erode when the barricades fall down under the stressors of truth. You experience this truth subconsciously, the majority of verbally/physically violent leftists do, and your spasms of anger are but the sublimated byproduct of these suppressed realizations.

>>139682763
If you have a tween you will have seen them gently redpilled by YouTube. My task was largely done for me. Generation Zyklon...

I want this to continue

>>139672856
Brave is going to do this with crypto.

>>139682664
Google has already seen everything, because click wars have been around for a long time. The history of fake traffic dates back in time.
2015:
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-click-fraud/
2013:
https://qz.com/157333/over-60-of-internet-traffic-doesnt-come-from-humans/
And much earlier

It's not some amateurs like AdNauseam fanboys, it's real pros who know their shit. They spam their competitors and have a strong financial incentive. Google has more experience dealing with them than anyone else. A bunch of regular clicks coming from a single IP without even loading the page is the simplest thing to detect. They don't even issue refunds for crap like this, it's weeded out automatically

>>139665958
Are you retarded? Normies will NEVER convert, they sre degenerates.

>>139673066
Molymeme doesn't use adds. His audience is mostly podcast downloads. Not an argument ;P

>>139682973
normies aren't going to do any of this shit you moron.

The argument is that normies don't need to do it to be influenced by censored thought-crime opinions that Goolag is trying to suppress. The influencers will just go elsewhere and will continue to spread as the culturally savvy Gen Z end up making the edgy alt-right millennials look like Stuart Smally in comparison

>>139676995
I'm totally on board

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>MUHH shekels
>Hey goy WHY do anything if you aren't getting paid
>Monetization ruined genuine ideological motivation and let to censorship of "wrong thinkers" trough 3rd party monetary interests in YouTube ,WHY ISNt THERE MONETIXATIOn on Bitchute?!

Fyck off kike


Reminder to spread Bitchute, the fact that the shills are already kicking in speaks for itself

S-schlomo is worried

>>139683545
I don't think they'll need too, they'll just stop using the internet as much. The internet will just become a place full of pedo's, losers who play video games, communists and Nazi's and it should be avoided.

All mass produced music will be considered uncool so they won't use itunes or listen to pop music. They won't want to be tracked, so they won't carry many devices. Self driving electric cars will be shitty and unreliable, so no one will drive.

>>139665958
>go back 10 years
WTF is this thing called Facebook?!?! Like anyone gives a shit about what goes on outside of MySpace.
>go back 20 years
WTF is this thing called Google?!?! Like anyone gives a shit about your fake non-AOL internet.
>go back 25 years
WTF is this thing called Apple?!?! Like anyone gives a shit about Macintosh.
>go back 30 years
WTF is this thing called Microsoft?!?! Like anyone gives a shit about a flying window when IBM is the only machine that plays Oregon Trail.

>>139683276
I'm pretty sure that same % of twitter and facebook accounts are also fake.
https://thenextweb.com/facebook/2014/02/03/facebook-estimates-5-5-11-2-accounts-fake/

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/10/nearly-48-million-twitter-accounts-could-be-bots-says-study.html

>>139665958
>Monetize
as if YouTube let's anyone actually get monetization on there videos, even reviewbrah is getting demonitized

>>139683276
If Google blocks my clicks then I have at worst done to them the same as I would have with ublock, and their filters may not catch me so at best I may harm them.
If Google becomes stronger from among the harmful sites who cares? They are All harmful because they are not whitelisted. The important thing is getting people to use whitelists to unblock ads from sites they like. It is psychological.
We want the punishment to be as effective as possible,but it is fine if it is not perfect.

>>139684490
>If Google becomes stronger from among the harmful sites who cares?
Hmm, because Google becomes richer in the end and monopolozies the market even more, since everyone seeks refuge in its anti-fraud algorithms?

If that's not what you fight for, of course

Also, ads are not just banners. You have no idea. You just can't escape the effects of monetization even with every banner blocked. You will still have other forms of ads which are just embedded in content, and you'll just have to deal with them.

>>139665958
I agree with people here. Torrent hosting and privacy from takedown is the next generation. But the problem is the layout and monetization.

>Inb4 Jew

>>139685324
>But the problem is the layout and monetization.
Monetization has been a cancer of the internet. Anything you pay for is not trustworthy, and anyone who pays you to put up an ad isn't trust worthy.

Before adblockers and popup blockers came around, ads were not really reviewed and "CLEAN UP YOUR PC NOW" malware links were on every website.

>>139684987
What market? Get everyone voluntarily viewing polite ads only on sites they support.
Take control over what content gets supported away from advertisers and put it into the hands of users by changing user behavior. Psychology is a useful tool for this.

>>139685771
>Get everyone voluntarily viewing polite ads only on sites they support.
That's bullshit, they don't want your permission to look at their banner. They want to sell you something in the end. That why your model won't work, they'll just switch to other means of promotion.

Banners are actually bullshit too. But if EVERYONE suddenly starts blocking them, I bet my ass they'll come up with server-side PHP trackers the next day. You just won't be able to block them because they're not JavaScript. They will just look like an organic part of the website. That's pretty much the future of online ads, I gotta tell you.

>>139686404
I see so few ads, I don't know what the latest movies are. I don't know what the shit playing on TV is for years. Good luck reaching me if I don't want to be reached. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a Few ads to get the pulse.

>>139687485
You're not interesting to them in the first place. They go after diehard normies. Boomers, females, Joes. If SUDDENLY all normies start blocking banners, which is not really the case now, you'll see how they come up with some new crap the following day. Immediately. Damn sly foxes.

>>139666244
if they only care about the money they can burn in hell, do you post for money? fucking dumb kraut