Why don't you cycle /pol/? Reasons to give up the automobile:

I laugh when cyclefags get ran over.
STAY ON THE FUCKING SIDEWALKS NOT THE ROADS

I'd throw myself in front of a train before I ever become a lycra-clad, angry poof riding a child's toy everywhere.

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The most important thing you can do for the white race is keep your own life in order. Start with yourself. You must be competent, reliable, hardworking, and, above all, happy. Do people in your life trust and respect you? What does your family think of you? Are you capable of raising children? And if you can't achieve such things for your self, then the chances are very high that you are not ready to be make a real difference in the world, either online or in real life. Because how can you make a difference for the race, for the lives of many, if you can't even make anything of your own, individual life?

Always remember: we live in first world countries and have opportunity that most people born on this planet do not. Things aren't as good for us as they were for our parents. But billions of people in the third world would still kill to have the opportunities that you do right now. So take care of yourself! Work your ass off, every day, to build a good life for you, and for your family. Clear your mind of self destructive thoughts, and keep yourself focused on realistic goals, both for your own life and for the race. Racialism isn’t a hobby or an internet game. It is the cumulative result of your entire life, from cradle to deathbed. So work like your life depends on it. Work like a demon from hell, but also do fun and wholesome things with real people in real life. That is very important. Nothing on the internet should ever take away from your real life.

Always remember: You are always alone. Your dead father’s fathers have gone through everything you face, and more. After death, you will meet them again. Make certain you become a man in life who is worthy of that meeting in death.

Always remember: You are never alone. We are here. We will not forget. And we will find one another. Make yourself certain you become a man in life who is worthy of that meeting in life.

>>139612499

Australia are you still butthurt that you lost your "fattest nation on earth" title?

>>139612395
Sounds like a nice idea except the roads in america absolutely suck for biking

You block traffic and feel like you are always going to be run over. Really a terrible experience

>>139612477

Doesn't speak much for your driving abilities if a cyclist taking up so little space aggravates you.

>>139612767
The roads are meant for cars not bikes

>>139612835

Cars are a useless contraption designed to take your money and give it to your enemies.

They also destroy the environment of our motherlands and promote a sinful sloth mindset.

>>139612395
Fag

>>139612395
I enjoy a genera of suburb mountainbiking that involves riding on the sidewalk, in the oncoming lane, and through malls and highschools Starfox style.

It keeps blood in the brain and me out of trouble.

>>139612395
the thing is quite simple. I have to take my kids to school. If not this one, I'd either be cycling or using a bus (winter is something, you limeys will not undertsand).

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>>139612477

I recreationally ride my cruiser for a little exercise and fresh are almost daily 8-10miles. I stopped using the bike path alongside the road because I'm constantly dodging pedestrians or running up on their asses while they're walking their dogs/kids. Felt like an ass, plus the roads are like 25mph speed limits so it's not like I'm really holding anyone up.

Fuck the assholes in their spandex and $4k cycles that ride along the lines on the highway though. Fuck them in the ass.

>>139612477
actually, stay on roads. Leave sidewalks for pedestrians.

>>139612516
tldr lol

>>139612835
Roads were meant for pedestrians and carriages, cars ruined that, get your facts straight.

>>139612395
Because there are enough careless drivers around to make it a serious risk. All the regular cyclists I've known have been hit by cars. Fortunately, they've been able to walk away from most of those accidents.

>>139612835
tough luck. Bikes are just as entitled to use roads as cars. Deal with it faggot.

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>>139613111

All I hear are excuses

>>139612395

>healthy activity
>breathing this clear city air deep into your lungs

>>139612395
Yeah I'll totally ride my bicycle 30 miles to work and then 30 miles back 5 days a week

>>139612395
I walk to work...is it okay? I was almost killed by a car when I was trying to learn how to ride a bike, I'm afraid of trying again...

I go on foot at work , 30 minutes walk , that makes it 1 hour walk /day

I have a car , well cAuse i like to drive . I usw it on the weekends , and in winter cause rain and shit

>>139612395
Snow and -30 temperatures

>>139613472
I'd love to see you driving your kids to school on a bike.
I don't expect you to understand grownups problems. kiddo.

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>>139613479
Stay fat Amerifat.

>>139612395
You assholes are annoying and I always greet the urge to run you guys over with my car when I see you

>>139612395
The roads are shit for it. They're full of potholes with a rough surface and covered in debris or they're incredibly busy and full of people who can't drive getting angry with you.

>>139613362
I lost my license for a DUI and during the two years I cycled to commute, I was struck by a car twice.

I rode motorcycles for almost two decades and never had a single accident, but I got hit by two cars in two years on a bicycle. I know it's anecdotal evidence, but it really makes me think.

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>>139613111

Pictured is the Crown Princess of Denmark taking her kids to school

Come on Polack. The death of the car will be one of the steps to victory.

>>139612679
we did? who has it now?

anyway I like my car. I spent a lot of fuckin money on it and will use it whenever I see fit, which is every single time I go somewhere unless it's to the footy.

Comfort, speed and being an elitish wanker > constant pedalling and being an angry cunt yelling at everything around you while looking ridiculous in your tour de france outfit.

>>139612395
https://youtu.be/aK_Ru6tScBE

pretty much covers it.

>>139612395
I used to cycle, a lot like 13-16 hours / week. Clean air, building stamina, enjoying the outdoors, clears your mind, we should all be cycling.

>>139613606
Heaven forbid they ride the bus and make friends.

>>139612395
>>139613472
>20,000 pound minimum bike
>excuses

Not everyone can afford to buy the hundreds of different bikes required to be bikefag and not need a car.
>bbut you only need one bike
Get rid of all but one on YOUR bikes then.
In fact get rid of any bike that cost more than 100 pounds, since that's the cost of a cheap car.

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if i want to look like an enormous faggot that has never ventured more than two miles away from home i'll know who to call

>>139612395
which one of you pussy poofters wears a helmet while cycling?

>>139612395
Niggers always steal my bikes, it's happened so many times now.

>>139613588
I did snow and -10-20 last winter with regular 20 year old mountain bike.

Just dress warm and pretend it's skiing

>>139613708
nice. Some of us have to work, you know.

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>>139612477
I laugh when I ride my bike and I hold up some fat frustrated faggot in a cage, who doesn't have the balls to run me over. I goad them. It's good fun.

>>139612477
It's illegal to drive on sidewalks you fucking retard

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Because I can't run 2 minutes in this shit under a 30c sun without melting that's why.

I almost got killed on my bicycle by a car 2 months ago. Still recoverying. Too many people on pain pills and cell phones

>>139613864

1. Bikes are cheap
2. Whatever car you're paying just £100 for is a piece of shit that you're going to bleed money to keep on the road
3. It's going to pollute our beautiful homeland
4. You're going to keep on giving money to Islamist terrorists when you fuel it
5. You're going to get fat

>>139612395
Hey, a quick poll. I noticed this phenomenon in my city that the poorer and more stupid a person is, the quicker he/she buys a car, even if he/she lives in a city where cars are more a burden than any profit. Is it the same worldwide? I could buy a car or three right now, but why the fuck would I? I would spend way more on gas and insurance than I do now on taxi and uber combined.

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>>139612477
/n/ here

fuck you

also, pic related, my daily commuter

>>139613998

You want to test that out in real life? I'd happily run over your shitty bike and drive reverse to splatter your head.

>>139613479
Mate that's nothing, 30 miles is a breeze. If you get fit and get a good bike then you'll be able to do it in 1.5 hours, easy.

>>139613782
7 year old kids?
In Poland we dont have these fancy school buses you amerifags are so used to. By riding a bus, I mena public transportation. I see you guys take way too much shit for granted.

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>>139613479

Just get a Moped then, you big baby. good on gas and gets you where you need to go.

>>139613940
It's safer in countries without sensible bikelanes.

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>>139614090
Go ahead faggot, the number of cagers I've riled up in their sweaty little box is astounding :D

>>139614084

It's an old fashion status symbol which poor people still buy into.

Like wearing gaudy gold jewelry to try and display wealth.

>>139614008
Exactly the road in the uk is for cyclists too, a lot of idiots think car drivers pay road tax. In fact this is a fallacy as road tax was abolished back in the 30s, road maintenance comes from the council who get their funds from income tax.

>>139614175
Oops, didn't notice the flag. Sorry you live in a 3rd world country anon.

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>>139613479
>wah wah 60 miles a day is tough

Pussy car cuck gonna cuck cuck cuck.

>>139614175

7?

Old enough to ride a bike themselves.

>>139612395
Cycling hurts my balls, so I just walk instead. My legs carry me far and they get strong. Folkvandring/ Volkwanderung master race

>>139612395
>breathing in cancerous brake dust
>car exhaust
>other chemical fumes emitted by car engines that run high temperatures.
Yeah, no.

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>>139614087
that might work in your line of work, but I have a respectable profession.

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>>139614151
Right. I'll just ride down the shoulder of the freeway

>>139614090
>I would happily murder someone because I can't make my living room on wheels go as fast as I want

>>139614281
he does. But not to school. It's a way too dangerous road to let a kid drive on it.

>>139612395
>Why don't you cycle /pol/?

I do, for exercise.

However, this is /pol/ and I assume the majority of the American readers here have left the big cities for the suburbs or even more remote areas, rendering biking impossible for daily commuting.

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>>139612395

Because I'm not a degenerate.

Pic is OP

>>139612395
My city is almost 100% highway, cycling is not possible

>>139612940
Tell that to the freight trucks which make your shitty bike possible

>>139613864
Buy bike
>maybe a pump
>maybe a canteen
350

Buy shit rattler
>Cost itself
>Fuel
>Repairs
>No aircon
>Insurance
>Plates
>Yearly Drivers license/plate registration fees
>biyearly car check
>Taxes
HURR DURR ONLY 1 HUNNIT

>>139613693
Being in a car isolates you from reality, it's a little safe space as well as a strong force multiplier allowing weak faggots to do serious damage. It's just a really good formula for either amplifying natural dickheads or creating them. I say this as someone that drives for a living.

>>139612395
I don't think giving up the automobile works in this day and age. Cities are literally designed for cars. Stop designing cities this way and things will change. We need alt-right urban planners and architects god damn it.

>>139614073
>Bikes are cheap
What world are you living in?

Cheap bikes aren't worth owning, they're 1000% more cumbersome than walking.
Any decent bike is going to set you back minimum 1000 pounds and require close to that much per year in maintenance.

Not to mention the cost of injury when you get run down by some idiot not looking where they're going.

>>139614319

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2014/feb/20/air-pollution-cyclists-bike-blog

> The good, if simple, answer from pollution experts is: yes. Cycling does remain many, many times better for your health than not cycling, even factoring in exposure to pollution and the risk of accident. What’s more surprising is that on two wheels you might even be exposed to less of the smelly stuff than those using other forms of transport.


http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/cyclists-exposed-five-times-less-air-pollution-cars-experiment-suggests-133129

> Those who travel by car can experience five times higher pollution levels than those who cycle, and three and a half times more than those walking, according to an experiment by academics and campaigners.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uapTLAwDr54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2hej8SZxQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxpNAo_u4nQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jePRQoWyMz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXxvQtYKeNc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3371za7Mee8

cycling is fun but I'm not going to ride mine to work and back very often when there's a fucking 18% climb along the only route that doesn't expose me to 55mph traffic. which is one reason why I'm looking for a new job

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>>139612395
Cycling is the white mans sport. It requires knowledge of physics and engineering, niggers can't into it. The bicycle is a European invention.

>>139614551
kek, you're one of these bike masturbating faggots?
Any bike is ok, as long as it's operational.

>>139614489
trucks aren't cars, retard

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>>139614551
>go to a skate park
>hold up two pineapples
>scream that you want a bike
>get bike

>>139614496
>buy bike
>buy new tires every month since bike tyres last about that long
>buy new chain every months
>buy hundreds of dollars of proprietary tools for each new shimano genration
>or spend thousands having some bike shop do it for you
>tens of thousands of dollars in bottled imported water
>hundreds of thousands in licensed -1nm thick lycra with some french guy on the dick

>>139614489

Long distance logistic vehicles are a neccesary evil (though most of this work can be done by train).

But personal ownership of a car is wasteful and part of (((their))) scheme.

>>139613745

flol thank you for that

>>139614551
What the fuck? Are you riding your bike into a fucking trash compactor at the end of each month???

I bought a mountain bike from Aus for 350 in 2011, I have it to this day. Only changed tires once and repairs I do myself.

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>>139614411
This guy comes over and slap's your girlfriend's ass

What do you do, faggot?

>>139612395

I live in London, I don't have a death wish.

>>139614084
I don't live in the city so I couldn't say. Buying a car was definitely viewed as an important milestone for me and everyone I know; it makes more sense when you live in relative bumfuck nowhere though. That said it's nowhere near the freeing experience you'd think. It was nice to be able to go ride in different places around the country though.

>>139614831
You bought a kmart full steel bike?

>>139614504

This.

> Sat in traffic
> Exposed to advertisements plastered everywhere
> Most likely having to listen to advertisements if you're using the radio
> Breath in more fumes and damage your lungs than if you were cycling
> Keep on putting on weight

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>>139614749

>>139614771
>don't ride through glass
>oil the fucking chain
>what the fuck are you in about with the tools? Oil your God damn chain and don't leave it standing in the rain for half a year.
>ill take "what is tap water" for 500
>wear human clothes you spaz

>>139614832
Nothing, since it's as if a eunuch slapped her ass anyway.

>>139614551
>minimum 1k
Anything much over that isn't worth it. You're paying for slight convenience and weight saving that nobody but professionals or semi-professionals should really care about. It's almost all marketing past a point

>>139614694
Maybe in UK you guys have better seperation. Here in Murika, if you want to cycle somewhere you must take the main roads and share them with cars.

>>139614908
Giant from some retailer in Perth.

>>139612395
Because toys are for children and weekends

>>139614456
High way is my city!

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>>139612395
>Mu town is not really designed to actually go anywhere through cycling.
>Can't carry gear for my gear-intensive hobby on a bike.
>Enjoy walking more.
>Do not want to be associated with these idiots who dress up like they were Tour de France athletes to go for a ten-minute ride around the park. I can get in my car without putting on replica NASCAR uniforms.
:>Cyclists here are horrible at obeying the laws of the road, and get all whiny when their disregard for the rule of the road causes a motorist to have to slam on the brakes and avoid hitting them. Not really pleasant people to be around.

To quote /sp/,
>This semen-slurping sport is not for me...

>>139614771

> Have had current commuter bike for 3 years now
> Cost me £500
> Have around 10,000 miles on it
> Never had a puncture, only change tyres for winter
> Replace the chain once a year
> Wear normal clothes

I've spent probably about £700 over three years in total.

Tell me Aussie.
1. How much have you spent on fuel in the past 3 years?
2. How much of that has been given to the house of Saud?
3. How much has your waist line expanded over those years?

Since I've started cycling to work I've saved $120 a month on gas alone. I started cycling to train for a half Ironman then my truck shitted out. I don't miss it. I cut grass on the side and am cosidering making a trailer to move my mower and weed eater reducing my operating cost to near zero.

Cycle fags though are asshole and mostly annoying as fuck. The bigger the gear queer the bigger the asshole I have found.

>>139612477
It's illegal to cycle on the sideWALK. At least in my state. If you can't get around me on a 5 lane road that's your dumb ass fault. My cruising speed on a level road is 24 mph and the limit on single lane residential road is 25. Get fucked you fat lazy shit piece.

>>139614807
>But personal ownership of a car is wasteful and part of (((their))) scheme.

This is too reductionist. Sure, a car is more expensive than a bike but a car is also much more VALUABLE than a bike, even if you don't use it. It's bigger investment. It's like me saying "Why buy a house when you can just live in a car?" Sure, it's cheaper, but there are a multitude of other reasons why you would make that investment outside of the steep cost alone.

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>>139615161

I've heard of US cyclists who experience another world when wearing this

>>139614908
For whatever reason, reasonably decent bikes are cheaper in Europe and Japan than they are in the US or I guess Australia.
>>139614832
Slap his thighs.
>>139614504
That's why I have a tiny convertible and have the top down all the damn time.
>>139614749
Bicycles are really popular in Africa, but mostly as a work machine. In some places, bicycle theft is punishable by being burned alive. Cycling would probably catch on as a sport if they were more prosperous, as it's bloody expensive and time consuming.

>>139613320
Yeah, they stopped building THOSE roads 100 years or so ago.

I have little issue with cyclists on roads built to accommodate them, who follow the rules of the road.

For their safety, and the safety of others, they should not be allowed on roads not designed for them.

>>139612835
Except you're wrong you retard. In many states it is illegal to ride a bike on a side walk. It's a street legal vehicle and must follow all laws cars follow. I got pulled over on my bike for speeding and not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign.

>>139614008
>It's illegal to drive on sidewalks
Bear in mind that different areas have different laws.

>>139612477
It's illegal to ride on the sidewalk where I live(California), unless if I'm like a toddler. Are you still a toddler? Is that why we're locking our caps key?
Otherwise OP, I gave up my car ~6years ago

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>>139612477
I like to travel significant distances in minutes instead of hours.

However, let me tell you, these things are fucking uncomfortable and carrying shit gets awkward so I'm still likely to shop in my neighborhood.

But it does com with the added benefit of not having to participate in traffic. Cops only tolerate lane splitting at red lights or to pass pedalbikes, but it still means the distinct minority of bikefags is completely removed from the cars-holding-up-cars clusterfuck...everywhere it doesn't matter because nobody will tolerate it on backed up interstates unless it's california.

>>139613708
The crown princess of denmark has a 1 mile ride over gentle terrain.

The average American has a 10 mile ride over hilly terrain because we don't like to be crammed into townhouses like the dutch.

>>139615542
>I got pulled over on my bike for speeding

Is this you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS_0puMJ1gQ

>>139614210
It's safer anywhere.

Of course, never leaving the basement is even safer.

>>139612395
I take the train dude fuck cyclists lmao

>>139612395
Because I have a automobile... and cyclists are SJW on 2 wheels.

>>139615728
You can't filter on a bike outside of California? The absolute fucking state of yanks.

>>139612395
My dick always falls asleep when I ride a bike for longer than 10 minutes.

>>139614832
The guy is only 5´7 and most of his muscle seems to be on his legs, pretty sure I could take this guy out. I could not beat him in a cycling race however

>>139614206
>mo-ped
>no ped-als on image
Muhrican emuhcashun

>>139613745
>Linking to propaganda to keep you a fat docile debt slave.

Are you even a neo nazi?

>>139614749
So, wait, they just walk them away when stealing them?

>>139614210
Is it though? There was a study which suggested wearing a helmet causes people in cars to drive more recklessly around you, not having one presumably highlights your vulnerability and they give you more space etc.

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CETMA cargo bike.

>>139614832
DID YOU JUST ASSUME HIS GENDER, SHITLORD???

Hah ha, no, but seriously, what would I do? Ask him what his pronouns are.

>>139612395
cycling is for faggots

I would cycle to Uni and back but I don't know where to tie it and protect it from gypsies and slavshits desu

>>139613970
>I have to suffer, so everyone else should suffer

>>139614411
How the fuck is biking degenerate?

>>139612395
I cycle. But I fucking hate the "cycling community". Hating on cars, asking for special lanea and shit. it's like nobody can deal with the fact there are people with different worldviews anymore. everything should be adapted to me. fuck that and fuck your ecofriendly, fitter happier bullshit.

>>139613864
I ride a $200 30 year old fuji. Change the tires for the seasons and commuting conditions. Zero gas, zero insurance. Come on you fat mong. Stop being scared of bicycles.

>>139614489
The prominence of motor vehicles is partially what killed small, local communities and turned them in to huge, soulless housing estates.

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>>139615434

>>139615472
The problem is that if cyclists don't force the issue, they never get roads built with any consideration for their use, let alone infrastructure that helps them not get run over by distracted drivers.

As for who the roads were originally built for, the movement that pushed for nicely paved roads was started by cyclists (Good Roads movement led by Albert Pope, a Civil War vet and owner of a bicycle manufacturer) in the late 19th century. The same people continued lobbying for paving when motorcars started becoming a thing. So, in a sad way, cyclists were responsible for America's car culture.
>>139615934
Yeah and you can't do the "Idaho stop" (treating stop signs as yield signs when there's no traffic around) in many places outside of Idaho either. We're weird like that.

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I still learn cycle. I hope i cycle soon, friends!

>>139615934
You also can't exceed the speed limit, legally, but literally all cops let you go 9 over anyways (unless you're black or look like a crackhead), while some cops really have a hard on for YEW DUMBASS KIDS WIT NO RESPECTAMACATIONS FOR THE LAW CUTTIN IN LINE

Which is dumb because exceeding the speed limit by that much is significantly less safe than lane filtering, especially in cities where nobody has a reason to go 40mph and you're not making lights before other cars unless you add another 10mph to that and actually maintain that speed around corners (something unthinkable for most american drivers, who are taught in driving school to brake for each and every bend)

>>139616258
We'd need freight trucks either way.

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I used to be a skinny punk in school. Still skinny but I can kick in skulls now.

>>139616258
As a burger, I would have to agree.

>>139616219
>serbia
Not possible. Buy a tank.

>>139612395

Well you see, when I was a kid, I DID use this primary mode of transportation. It was decent!
Then when I turned 16 I got an old truck and that thing could actually go 60mph on a good day!
I found this mode of transportation to be superior because I could now reach other towns and cities outright. Also if you put some blankets in the back...nevermind.

>>139615542
>It's a street legal vehicle and must follow all laws cars

If they would do this, I would have 99% fewer problems with them.

Instead, they disregard traffic laws and then get mad when they almost get themselves killed.

>>139616223
>everything should be adapted to me
They only say that things should be adapted for them to stop drivers having autistic fits at their presence. It's best for everyone.

>>139613472
Who else /dutch/ here?

Because cars are fucking awesome, what are you, a fag?

>>139615718
>Otherwise OP, I gave up my car ~6years ago

Whatever floats your boat, as long as you don't start virtue signaling about it, in which case I reserve the right to mock you.

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haters gonna hate, bought this thing for cheap. 14 years old and runs like you wouldnt expect a 14 year old italian machine to run. been taking it to work every single day this summer.

best impulse purchase ever

>>139614342
Meesterras

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>>139612395
Bicycles are for children. Really how it was back then Bicycles are for boys, cars are fro men. Now men are supposed to be manchilds without passing into adulthood.

>>139612395
it's gay

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>>139616577
Is this you?

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>>139616577

Pic related

>>139616634
>runs like you wouldnt expect a 14 year old italian machine to run
I wouldn't expect it to at all.

>>139616485
The shitty thing is that if I actually stop at a stop sign while out riding, I'm taking a very high risk of being rear-ended by a driver, because my fellow cyclists have trained drivers to think that cyclists will never stop at a fucking stop sign. Worse, since there's no enforcement of any traffic laws around my city, a lot of drivers are starting to ignore stop signs too, with the reasoning that if cyclists can do it and not get punished, they can, too.

>>139616702

Bus wanker detected

>>139616704
Good post

>>139616709
exactly, but other than the speedo not telling me how fast i am, or counting the mileage, it does.... perfectly.

>>139616109
>There was a study which suggested wearing a helmet causes people in cars to drive more recklessly around you

Without having seen this study, which you didn't link, I am going to venture what is admittedly a guess, that the methodology is fucking laughable.

But yeah, let's get rid of safety equipment because "a study."

>>139612477

Cyclists slow down traffic, they almost cause accidents all the time because people behind them quickly try to merge into the left lane. I understand that many people use bikes to get to work so i can't hate on them, I do hate those faggots that dress up in spandex and then treat the road as if it's their personal race-track. Fuck off

>>139616222
>How the fuck is biking degenerate?
Most activities dominated by people who wear skin-tight lycra and spandex involve some degree of degeneracy.

>>139616634
These are legitimately dangerous on anything resembling rough terrain due to their significantly limited suspension travel, short wheelbase, poor rear suspension action due to the engine being unsprung weight, and small wheels that don't like to cross objects.

And by rough terrain I mean a slight bump in the pavement will cause scooters to catch air mid corner in a way you'd be lucky to see outside of irish motorcycle road racing.

Scooters are fashion accessories for people who don't want to show what's under their skirts.

>>139613143
>Fuck the assholes in their spandex and $4k cycles that ride along the lines on the highway though. Fuck them in the ass.
I can't tell you how much I agree with you. I go running and I absolutely despise all the neon-coloured, heart rate monitor and GoPro wearing jerks and their fucking overpriced food supplements and protein shakes. Everything seems to come with a prefabricated lifestyle.

>>139613613
>be Europe
> laugh at Americunts being fat and not biking everywhere
> let in lots of niggers from Africa
> Europe's bikes get stolen

>>139612395
the bicycle is the cuck transportation, a real Chad rides a Harley-Davidson

>>139615750
LOL. I wish. I was going down hill doing 35 - 40 in a 25. The stop sign was half way down the hill and didn't want to come to a complete stop. I was one house away from being home when deputy doofy caught up and gave me a talking to.

Since I've started commuting this summer regularly I do obey all laws, signal turns and come to complete stops.

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I got myself one of these, kind of a half way house between car and bicycle.

the advantages of both with not many of the negatives of either.

>>139614551
What the fuck kind of prissy ass bikes are you riding my man

>>139616391
>The problem is that if cyclists don't force the issue, they never get roads built with any consideration for their use, let alone infrastructure that helps them not get run over by distracted drivers.

Where do you live. Mandatory bike lands and such are part of new road and improvements to old roads around here, even where they make no sense.

> the movement that pushed for nicely paved roads was started by cyclists

WE WUZery of the highest order.

>>139614008
Everything is illegal in the UK

>>139617065
Harleys are for insecure old men in the same way sportbikes are for pretentious manchildren.

t. suzuki owner

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>>139612395
>tfw no large posterior cycler waifu to ride behind for our morning cardio, motivating me to ride harder as I imagine riding her

>>139614326
kek

DEATH to two-wheeled vermin

>be fat american
>need to go to work
>wake up early
>spend 4 hours in traffic to travel 2 miles by car
>heh at least I'm not one of those faggot bikers

>>139617238
I thought sportbikes are for people with deathwish.

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>>139616742
>a lot of drivers are starting to ignore stop signs too,


Do they wave a hand out the woindo overhead as they do so? That seems to ba a thing Indian immigrants do around here, for no reason I can fathom.

Fuck that. I'm not making what was a 45 minute drive to my dad's, a 4 and a half hour bike ride over two two lane bridges, and 30 miles of interstate.

>>139612395
lol how is this even a question. EVERYONE hates these morons.

>>139617011
well, my friend, i live in a first world country with exceptionally well paved roads, i actually live in a city with one of the densest public transport system, with Trams, little trains... even in rain, when the rails are as slippery as a ski slope, I have no issue holding the path... its all about how you drive...

this is my first summer on one of those things, ive so far made 3000km and had not a crash...

i think what you are describing is an issue when your roads are not well maintained, or if you think you can do actual touring with these things, like 200 mile trips on the highway.

>>139616856
http://www.bath.ac.uk/research/news/2013/11/26/overtaking-cyclists/

http://www.bath.ac.uk/news/articles/archive/overtaking110906.html

I couldn't be bothered to search for it because I only vaguely remembered hearing about it. I suddenly remembered it was from Bath Uni and gave it a quick google so here you go.

I don't think the point is really that you should abandon safety gear, just that safety gear isn't the route to making cyclists safer on the roads. That said, there's also some people who suggest that helmets can cause more harm than good (neck injuries, mostly) in the event of a fall but I haven't looked in to it really. Manufacturers are definitely aware of the problem though.

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>>139617238
>moyocyclists who wear helmet cams for the sole purpose of recording themselves flipping people off for minor traffic mistakes and uploading it to youtube

>>139613188
Ur not gonna make it

>>139617360
Aka manchildren

>>139617518
You live in a country with winter and rural areas where a cross country trip is hardly 200 miles and probably not on the highway. You have bumps.

Ride slowly, scooter friend. May you live long enough to buy a nice BMW oilhead.

>>139617116
No fitness aspect and higher chance of death in a collision.

PASS

>>139612395
'Yup. Biking is an even better way to stay in shape than walking. All of the people in this thread who still keep driving the Horseless Jew have only themselves to blame.

>>139612395
Because I fucking love my car and my town isn't densely packed. A bike in Florida is only useful before 8 AM and after 8 PM right now, and I do most of my stuff during the day.

>>139612395
I'd rather not bike 50+ miles every day, I don't have time for it.

>>139612477
If they make an active effort to stay the fuck out of my way I don't mind them so much, but when they slow me down by riding in the middle of the road I hope they get ran over.

>>139617238
Shirt popular in local bar:

"I'd rather eat shit than ride a Jap bike"

>>139617738
The chance of death is higher when you go faster than 25mph yes

>fitness aspect
6'0" 150lbs i don't care

>>139617596
>>moyocyclists who wear helmet cams for the sole purpose of recording themselves flipping people off for minor traffic mistakes and uploading it to youtube

Just go to motomadness on youtube, he makes compilations of bikers getting road rage. The worst part about it is that these bikers over-react to a small mistake some other person makes on the road, just to make a video out of it. They also think they can police the streets while breaking the rules of the road themselves. There's no bigger faggots than moto-vloggers on youtube.

>>139617596
>watching Snowcat

It's a pretty sensible thing to record but that lot are clearly desperate to find something to rant about for their Youtube $$$

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>>139612395
A nigger stole my bike.

>>139617738
but you get this incredible sense of freedom and agility that is good for the mind and soul.

>>139617433
>30 miles of interstate.

Bikes not legal on Interstates.

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>>139617856
When we grow up we will all buy superior italian bikes.

>>139612395
I agree with this in principle, but realistically it wouldn't work in America outside of major cities, everything is just too damn far away.

Still, would be nice though.

>>139617683
well, two wheels in winter means youre an enthusiast, and im not sure im that.

nah seriously, these things are like those micro scooters, the only time you crash them is when you do something you know you shouldnt

>>139617873
I don't care about the fitness aspect either- I drive a car & go to the gym. I was just saying it doesn't have many positives over a bicycle.

>>139617915
Earlier this year my friend got hit by a 71 year old woman when he was on his motorcycle and he's been in a coma ever since. It's been 5 or 6 months now. I've been begging my dad to get rid of his ever since.

>>139618017
Is that because you never ride them, so you don't have to worry about them breaking down 7 times a month?

>>139612395
I don't ride a bike to work because my jurisdiction is the entirety of the lower mainland of British Columbia and Howe Sound... So it would be a bit time consuming and impractical.

>>139617856
>basing purchasing decisions on graphic T's

>>139617881

>The worst part about it is that these bikers over-react to a small mistake some other person makes on the road
While I agree it's gotten absurd now and they go out of their way to find people to shout at I think it started from a genuine place. Small mistakes can genuinely cost lives and things like cutting up someone on a bike can get a lot of adrenaline pumping which can cause you to get a little more irate than you should. It's not helpful though and it usually ends up putting them in a more dangerous position as they then chase the car to stick their finger up at it.

>>139612395
Cause USA is bigger then a postage stamp. We have to be able to get places quickly.

>>139617559
Yeah, motorcyclists like to cite similar shit. But I compared the death rates for motorcyclists her where helmets are mandatory and universal, and one state over where they are not required and (very roughly) half the bikers don't wear them. It's pretty astonishing.how stupid it is to leave your brain bucket on the rack behind your ass.

It's also sort of wrong-headed to say "safety equipment,, which I can control whether I use, is not the way to make me safer, instead vague changes in other people that I can;t control is the smart way to go." Unless you meant "safer BEHAVIOR by bike riders, as opposed to safer equipment, might be more important, in which case you might have a point,.

>>139612395
Recently poor, car broken, bike would be nice. Then realized the main roads (and I truly mean the main road, in a decent sized town) do not have sidewalks. It's very dangerous to walk or ride. Taking the bus (which is very inefficient time wise, only runs once an hour, and does not go to many points) is the only option. Takes 1 1/2 hrs for what would be a 15 min bike ride.

>>139612940
>Useless contraption.
>Allows me to travel 140km in a little over an hour.

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>>139616460

Not that I find quoting my flag insulting, but m8 don't you think you aren't in great shitter with the amount of muzzies ?

>>139612395
30 inches of snow in the winter.
/thread

>>139618144
>what is defensive riding

You can avoid retarded old people T boning you by looking ahead and planning.

>>139618407
Mate, we're all fucked it's just a bit of banter. You don't want to drive a tank to Uni?

>>139618208
>aprilia
>breaking down

It's not a ducati. It's actually rideable too, because it's not a sportbike, and it doesn't require you to pull the valve cover off every 8,000 miles to make sure some fragile italian memengineering that belongs in an F1 car hasn't gone horribly out of adjustment.

Half their bikes use rotax engines and the few that don't are the absolute best anyone has ever produced for an enginecycle.

>>139614151
>Just waste three hours of your life, every single day, on a commute that would otherwise take fifteen minutes.

Anything that can be done to reverse the cancer of (((cars))) ought to be done

>>139618230

>Small mistakes can genuinely cost lives and things like cutting up someone on a bike can get a lot of adrenaline pumping which can cause you to get a little more irate than you should.

I agree, some bikers have the right to get mad in certain situations. I was just mentioning those literally going around to look for shit to be mad at. I'm also talking about the bikers who will throw cigarette butts back inside someones car after someone throws it out at a red light. I'm also talking about the bikers that go around and scream at people to get off their phones as if it will make a difference. All they do when they chase after people and punch their mirrors for a small mistake is increase the chance of an accident. I've honestly just seen a lot of shit lately from moto-vloggers that makes me think they're not really good people, just virtue-signalling view baiting faggots that don't care about ruining someones day as long as they get $$$ out of it.

>>139612395
because im not a faggot

bicycles are great if you have the infrastructure to support it, i.e. a bike lane straight from where you are to where you're going without any gaps

which is basically nowhere

it's also unsafe etc
and cyclists are cunts

i wish we could have nice things but we can't, so i drive

>>139618720
Too late, this country is built on driving fucking everywhere. We'd basically habe to start all over to get rid of cars

>>139614548
Giving up the automobile is literally submitting to neo-peasantry. Your life is now on rails... You go where major transportation can take you. If you have a good 4x4 truck, you can go anywhere in the fucking world.

>>139618593

I would drive a fucking heli and give a nice heli ride to certain people, but they wouldn't let me even with a bike, desu. :^(

>>139612395

Its hilarious to read this thread. All of the Amerifats either "live too far away" due to poor city planning or way too fucking fat. I've ridden my bike to where I need to go, including work, every day for the past 5 years. It unironically gives me time to think and reflect my internal thoughts.

>>139612477
In first world countries, they have this thing called a "bike lane". Maybe if you didn't have Africa-tier infrastructure you could have these too!

>>139612395
It's super fucking gay. Cyclists deserve to be run off the road.

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i think more swiss bike than drive

>>139619100
>Its hilarious to read this thread. All of the Amerifats either "live too far away" due to poor city planning or way too fucking fat. I've ridden my bike to where I need to go, including work, every day for the past 5 years. It unironically gives me time to think and reflect my internal thoughts.

We don't live in a tiny ass little cucked country where you can bike from one side to the other in a day. Learn basic geography, everything in Canada/US is spaced out because we have land unlike you eurocucks.

>>139618478
>dude just don't get hit lol

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>>139619056
>4x4 truck

*blocks your path*

>>139619100
>poor city planning

How about wanting to have land and space to yourself instead of being crammed into an eighth of an acre with 50 other krauts

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>>139619100
Fuck you, sand nigger. This Amerithin owns five mountain bikes and rides about ten miles a day, weather permitting.

>>139618733
>I'm also talking about the bikers who will throw cigarette butts back inside someones car after someone throws it out at a red light.
Eh, it's a bit of a tired cliche now but I don't disagree with the sentiment. Littering is scummy, especially lit fag ends.

>I'm also talking about the bikers that go around and scream at people to get off their phones as if it will make a difference
Mixed feelings on this one. It's pretty important to let people know they're doing something wrong because it's genuinely seen as a completely harmless thing.

You're right though, most are exactly as you describe. Bit of politeness and calmness goes a long way generally

>>139619225
>>139619324

How far do you live from work? Anything less than 35 miles and you're a fat faggot. Anything over 35 miles and you should consider changing jobs or moving closer.

>>139619539
60 miles because I don't want to live in a crowded dystopian shithole just to work anything but retail or holistic dentistry.

>>139619361

>He thinks 10 miles is a long way.

kek. Its very easy to spot fatasses on here. Almost as easy as spotting a female.

>>139612395
>crushing your groin so you can be infertile

>>139619539

It's about 40 km from where I live, and that's on the high-way. If you were to bike you would have to go on the highway or take a longer route, you don't know what you're talking about you don't understand the infrastructure , retard.

>>139619663
>doesn't know about the love slot
>doesn't know about a proper bike fit

>>139614151
Wait til it rains on your hour long bicycle commute with you on a bike in a suit like a jackass.

>>139613188
just read the whole thing faggot

>>139619946
You wouldn't want to ride that far in a suit desu. It's certainly doable though, I know someone who rode over 100 miles a day plus more on weekends.

>>139619946
>doesn't know about pannier bags
You pansies really know how to make excuses.

>>139612395
I don't wanna become what I hate

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>>139612477
Just goes to show how seething the average cager is when they'd consider murder

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>>139612395
>starts laughing

>>139612395
Not all of us have high estrogen levels

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>>139612395
>Why don't you cycle /pol/?

But I am, just had a shower after ending up covered in mud from today's afternoon commute.

>>139616394
3 dudes around Mr solid blue helmet, are they the 'This is Germany" bar picture guys?

>>139620561
but exercise increases testosterone

>>139620402

>muh cagers

>only real men go on the road on bikes with a few thousand pounds of metal going 100+km

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>>139620295
Embrace your culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt3p-F2x7rY

it gets cold af up here during the winter.

>>139620890
>watching this snorefest
I'll never understand the hype around it

>>139620962
show flag

>>139612395
My bike got stolen.

>>139612477
I love making this impotent faggot rage in his car. Keep honking and squealing like a bitch, I love it.

>>139612395
>Why don't you cycle
I do

>give up the automobile
lolno, you don`t need to go full autism cycloactivist to enjoy cycling
I mostly commute on my bicycle but cars have their place

>>139617433

How often do you visit your father that it is your main defence of your car ownership?

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>>139612395
Why don't you unicycle /pol/?

>good leg workout
>a good challenge
>people like you and see you as different
>teaches better balance
>teaches better pacing
>automatically the most intresting person at first glance

Well /pol/?

>>139620968
Is every frog this insufferable? I guess the ennui thing can have sex appeal. But in all honesty that apathy is going to ruin France.

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>>139620174
My only vehicle was a bike for a couple of years in one of the rainiest states, and I never had a problem because I used panniers, waterproof backpacks, etc.

However, some problems with bicycling:
-Lack of bicycle lanes, not safe to share the road with cars with people texting, tires slipping, etc.
-Ice/snow in the winter, I fell off a couple of times
-Can carry only small items
-Public transportation often doesn't go into residential areas, what if you want to visit your buddy who lives 20 minutes driving into the suburbs?

Better infrastructure and planning for bikes would make a big difference here, Europe at least mixes residential and business areas and builds bicycle paths everywhere.

>>139620402
Shouldn't be on a highway/motorway desu.

>>139621180
Dindu nuffink

>>139618055

Be the change anon. The bicycle is absolutely vital to bringing back small town community identity and values.

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>>139612395
only a child or faggot rides a bike lol

>>139621390
Very little traction

>>139616749
Fucking bus wankers

I ride trails a couple of times a month, but it's just unreasonable to use it to commute where I live.

>>139621541
Technically bikes are entitled to a full lane on the road and you have to treat them like a vehicle (give them enough clearacne, right of way, etc) but most bikers don't follow traffic laws anyway kek

And why would you bike on a highway

>>139612395
Question invalid, I do, and have awesomo bike legs to prove it.

>>139620174
>300m people on a multiple thousand mile wide landmass vs 300m people on a 100 ft circumference island
Bit of a convenience difference, and is your boss gonna give you the benefit of a doubt when your on time one day or 45 min late because bike issues, or let you change out of your spandex in the office every morning?

>>139621854
>Technically bikes are entitled to a full lane on the road and you have to treat them like a vehicle
Yeah I know. That road looks the equivalent of our motorways though and you can't cycle on them. Just seems common sense to me, the speed difference is far too great. It seems obviously dangerous but there's also the congestion problem as causing a car to brake just a little can cause a tailback further behind you.

>>139614548
>Cities are literally designed for cars.
maybe in America. Good luck driving comfortably in London and commuting in its suburbs at peak hours.

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>>139621489
Pacific Northwest?
>lack of bike lanes
I honestly would like to see better infrastructure in the states for bicycle use.
>ice/snow
Never had the pleasure myself; I imagine it's terrible.
>carry small items
There are many other options, and most often times you're not carrying a big load unless you work a job which requires your to have tools etc.

>>139621969
From the states. I used to ride in Houston, which is arguably the most bicycle unfriendly city in the states, as it's solely built around the automobile. Also was a bike mechanic for a while so I knew how to keep my rig in tip-top shape. I make my life work for me, my boss can deal with it.

>>139621390
No breaks, if I fuck up then I'm a goner.

>>139623021
>Pacific Northwest?
Yes, outside Portland.
>I honestly would like to see better infrastructure in the states for bicycle use.
And this area is supposed to be one of the best for bikes.
>Never had the pleasure myself; I imagine it's terrible.
Biggest danger is when you brake. I started walking in the winter after I went down in the road trying to turn left at a light.
>There are many other options, and most often times you're not carrying a big load unless you work a job which requires your to have tools etc.
Yes, have everything delivered from online stores or borrow your buddy's car :)

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>>139621249

>>139612395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIEAqxaeGy4&ab_channel=JMaxfield

>>139623060
and yet many people ride fixies

>>139623060
It's easy to get off a unicycle, easier than a bike, if you fall keep your chest up and just push the unicycle back.

>>139612395
you forgot that a lot of cute fit girls are into cycling too.

everytime I go for a ride on the weekends I run into a bunch

>>139612395
>cycling
dangerous, blocks up traffic, inefficient waste of time, exercise not withstanding, can't tow a boat with bicycle, easily chased down by niggers on rampage, kikes laughing at you for being so gullible, steep inclines, easily stolen, eric clanton, rain, sleet, snow, burning sun, gravel, restricts blood flow to balls/penis, sweaty, muscular women, helmet hair, spandex, swallow bugs if mouth left open at speed.

>>139623538
Portland is a great town minus the politics. I lived in Seattle for a few years myself; this experience is what unironically redpillled the sin out of me. The roads are nice and smooth up there. Definitely slick in the winter, and the hilly terrain doesn't help. It's actually terrifying coming from the flatlands. The infrastructure up there is definitely more suitable than it is in Texas by a longshot.

>pnw drivers are oblivious
>texas drivers hunt cyclists for sport

>>139620402
He didn't even look before passing lanes. He's the fucking weakest link and doesn't look.

>>139624627
>I lived in Seattle for a few years
I hope you had a good experience overall. I visited relatives in Seattle once and we took their boat to San Juan Island. Beautiful!

>The roads are nice and smooth up there.
Funny enough, people in Portland complain about how "bad" the roads are around Seattle. I guess we're spoiled because the government meticulously keeps everything new. I'm amazed at how bad the roads are in other parts of the country, I would have bought a mountain bike instead.

>It's actually terrifying coming from the flatlands.
It would be fine if everyone knew how to drive in the winter. But some people turn their cars into sleds and make their problem, your problem.

>>139624205
>blocks up traffic
Assuming you mean cities, no it doesn't. The abundance of cars blocks up traffic.

>>139612395
bicyclists go in the woodchipper first

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>>139612395
but i do

>>139620402
wtf cycling on a highway topkek

even here in europe the faggots wouldn't dare to do that

>>139616258
and the existence of nonwhites in our country is what caused people to buy cars and move to the huwhite suburbs. Also I'd love to see you try to ride a bike on any street in southern california, your dumb ass would be perfect hit and run fodder for some squatemalan in a Chevy tahoe.

>>139612940
>cyclefag being retarded
imagine my cock

>>139612395
enjoy your prostate cancer

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It hurts my little aristocratic buttocks when I ride for more than a few minutes, the day after.

Shame though, it's somewhat okay-ish to ride.

>>139614206
They're called mopeds in like all of Europe.
Because they used to have brake & gear pedals.

>>139616028
adw

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You can ride for hours and on a daily basis with the correct saddle setup.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html

https://youtu.be/lJUjeAml3D4

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>>139630920
>the correct saddle setup.
why no springs? do you not like your kidneys?

>>139612395

what if you have to commute +10km 1-way everyday?

the only thing i despise about cars is the fact that most of them run of (((oil)))..

buy electric cars

>>139632156
Just a word of caution, the electricity comes from (((certain sources))).

>>139631945

I have been riding for 20 years and no kidney problems. Guess I am pretty strong.

I know at least cyclist that have ridden across the USA and none use springs on their seats.

If you have some research showing springs are more beneficial please show it...

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I'd ride my bike more but in America I feel people hate people that ride bicycles. I swear someone flipped me off as I was riding my bike in suburban area and I was being very respectful towards cars. I suppose in a dystopian future when we rely on machines for everything you'll get shit thrown at you for riding a bicycle.

>>139632251

electric cars are the future.. oil might still be around when we die, but in the next 100-200 years there must be other mainstream sources of fuel apart from oil

>use electricity
>pollute less
>breath better air
>less shit in your air
>everybody wins

>>139612395
It will scar your taint and cause erectile dysfunction

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>>139612477
What if i'm required by law to cycle on the road and will get yelled at by pedestrians if i don't?

>>139612395
mmm yes i love getting erectile dysfunction mmm brapppp so pungent

>>139622193
london is shit, mohammed.

I'd honestly like to try moving 4 extention ladders, 300-500 lbs worth of bulky tools, and hundreds of lbs worth of scrap with a bike. The f350 is a much better option however.

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>>139632668
>and no kidney problems
i didn't mean it literally. just that riding a bike without a springed saddle is very uncomfortable. to me, anyway. i guess it's all about what you're used to.

>>139632902
The catch is that electricity comes from coal and other polluting sources, and it's inefficient as a lot of energy is lost along the way. But agreed that it has less impact on the area where the car is driven.

>>139612395
>> Without the car you're more likely to spend time and shop in your neighborhood thusly supporting independent businesses (stopping money being drained out the area by the far away megamart) and building an sense of community.
If I rode a bike in my neighborhood, I'd definitely get a sense of my community :^)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd63P7mYXzo

Use a bike if you intend to travel less than 10 km to work etc. Anything more, or if the weather is bad, use a car.

Only retarded amerifags drive cars everywhere.

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>>139612395
I converted my mountain bike to pic related.
my 1 hour bus commute turned into a 14 minute commute.
Can keep up with cars, go on pavement, ppl think you're a regular bike. don't ride it like a cunt.
This is where you should be

>>139612395
I have to be places fast with the car. Otherwise I walk or take public transportation.
I don't like taking the car either but when I'm not usually I also have a beer or something so being on a bike in traffic is... inadvisable.
Also I never bothered to learn... woe is me.

>>139634121
>Only retarded amerifags drive cars everywhere.
Also, some foreigners pick up the habit when they move here. Drive literally less than a minute to get coffee.

>>139615307
>1. How much have you spent on fuel in the past 3 years?
Couple thousand. But, I went cross country
>2. How much of that has been given to the house of Saud?
None. I purchase hydrocarbons that have been extracted, cracked, and distilled here in America
>3. How much has your waist line expanded over those years?
Not as much as yours, fatso

>>139612395
Because I live in a shithole country and I'm a sissy manlet who will undoubtedly get his bike stolen.

>>139614749
>cycling
>sport
lardass anyone

>>139612395
Why would any adult ride a children's toy? Especially to their job? No one wants to be near some sweaty spandex wearing fag everyday. I would fire any idiot who came to work in my business with a bycycle.

>>139634500
Yeah. Also American urban planning, or rather the lack of it, has led to the average American simply not being able to survive without a car. Literally not being able to survive since the distance between a grocery store and the residential area is far too great to cover without a car.

While western Europe built cities with people in mind, the Americans did so with the car. Suburban and the rigid separation of residential and commercial areas has led to entire cohorts of people growing up isolated, without a sense of community. It's not good for the human psyche. And it's one of the reasons why the USA is known for producing notorious amounts of serial killers.

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>>139612395
>Why don't you cycle /pol/?

just came of a short bike ride/spin of 25km, my neck hurts, need to work on my position or swith to 25mm.

>>139614749
>Cycling is the white mans sport.

this, its highly patrician like all racing...unlike lifting. never the less, its not good to stick only to cardio. Its trully a mithycal sport, but also quite lonesome which Im not fond of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE97iUvSHk0

>>139634344
>I converted my mountain bike to pic related.

how much have you spent?

>>139635232
Who the fuck wears spandex pants to work? People here in Sweden sometimes takes the bike to work, and almost all of them dresses casually or smart casually. A shirt and a pair of jeans. Why would anyone take their car if the distance involved is less than 10km?