member when a single income could support a house, a wife, 3

>>139611227
Like Mosley said... Cheap masses of colored labor being worked by a few (((white))) surveyors.

>>139611227
I wish i could know that feeling.

It still does...

>>139611227
No. When was that?

>>139611775
we are not talking about welfare here lib-tard, we are talking real wages

Trickle down

>>139611227
>member when a single income could support a house, a wife, 3 children, and pay all the bills on time with money left over?

I remember that. My father worked a menial job at the factory and my mom stayed at home with me and my brother.

And we still had money left to spare to go on vacation every summer. Sure we didn't live in luxury, but there was never any money problems or anything we couldn't buy that we really needed.

This situation is no longer a possibility. At least not for me, and I'm far better paid/educated than my father ever was.

>>139611227
Its simple. Feminism. Doubled the labor pool without much extra spending(so no new jobs as a result)
It's just that nobody wants to say it.

t. Econ anon

>>139612086
this

>>139611227
Women entering the labor force happened. This also kills birth rate.

Feminism is cancer to society.

now we compete for work with people who accept low wages. IE women and Immigrants.

>>139611227
Yep, and they also kept their TV for 30 years, didn't pay for smartphones, pcs, laptops, internet and cable bills, multiple vehicles, etc.

>>139611227
You mean the time when shitty colour tv cost half a month's salary? Or a huge and heavy cellphone. Dunno about murica, but imported goods and electronics are relatively cheaper here than they used to be.

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>>139611227

If you make less than 80k per year then you simply aren't trying hard enough in your life.

Also
>$200 in food per month for you, wife, and 4 kids(if you dont hunt and fish you're a moron)
>$200 per month utilities(nat gas + solar panels)
>3 story house on 40 acres, built with my friends and I on land that took me 2 years to save up for and buy in full
>property tax is .93% yearly
>own 2 vehicles outright, insurance is $150 total

I literally have no idea how people can't afford things in America. I have a suspicion they have a major case of being pussies that need starbucks.

jews its always fucking jews

>>139611227
The cost of living became higher + inflation.

1965 immigration act

>>139611227
boomers.
thye fucked the economy, then imported shitskins enmasse just to make your it was nice and mega fucked.

>>139612418
>if you dont hunt and fish

Why the hell bother hunting and fishing if you make 80k a year?

The average American family income in 1961 was $6691
In 2017 dollars that's $54,778.

The median US income in 2016 was $55,775.

If you can't pay your bills on time you're probably blowing your money on stupid shit

>>139611882
Haha 90k single salary is more than enough to support a wife, 4 kids, and plenty of luxuries. That's my experience anyways.

>>139612418
>$200 in food for 6 people
shoo shoo skelly

>>139611227
Jews happened

>>139612545
Tastes better, and gives my kids something to learn.

P.s. your yearly wage isn't what you make, it's what you save

If by the end of the year you're still broke, you wasted that year.

>>139612604
>he doesn't know that 4 deer is a year supply of meat

>>139612688

So you save 80k a year? Jesus Christ are you the Monopoly guy?

>>139611227
No

>>139612739
>eats the same thing every day
your children are gonna be manlets

>>139611227

No I was born in 1981. I have no memory of this at all. Thanks baby boomers. You're fuckin awesome!

>>139611568
Perhaps more vigorously, women entered the job market and they are happy to do slave labour for minimum wage.
You can't compete with economic illiteracy.

>>139611227
Yep its almost as if the previous generations didnt spend

> $200/month on cellphones
> $100/month on satellite TV
> $50/month on internet service
> $500/month for a second car so the wife can go to work
> $40/Day eating out because lol ur woman is too busy working for another man

Cars and houses were a lot cheaper 20 years ago as well.

>>139612935
You just described boomers
Who do you think is buying cable?

>>139612759
Crew boss during fire season on a type 1 crew
General contractor the rest of the year

I just work hard, I could probably make more.

>>139611227
>what happened /pol/?
Boomers strip mined society.

>>139611227
Literally niggers and welfare abusers

>standard work week now 50+ hours
t-thanks boss

>>139612852
>he lives in a place where a gallon of milk costs more than a dollar

Hows that working out for you?

>>139612555
Retard.
$55,000.00 in 1960 has the same buying power as $451,658.50 in 2017.
Shut your gaping anus and start talking from your mouth.

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Trickle down economics.

>>139613148
Fine thanks, I don't need to keep a cow around.

I remember. Born in the 50s. No disposable cash in the family but we had great times. The crap people waste money on today didn't exist back then.

>>139613121
Larger work weeks are from a lack of unemployment fyi

>>139613047
Bullshit. The Democrats strip mined our economy. Corzine.

>What happened?

Federal reserve aka central bank aka red shield bank happened.... Theres no hope for the USA.

https://youtu.be/mII9NZ8MMVM

>>139613194
Its 86 cents at my local walmart, even the chocolate whole milk

The aldi's across the street from them is 85 cents

Get out of san francisco loser lol

>>139613179
Dear God. It's true what they say. Lefties really do suck at memes.

>>139611227
trickle down economics

>>139613346
I live in the upper midwest. Aldi milk is probably 50¢ desu, I just buy good stuff that's like $2

>>139611227
feminism, more people in the workforce = price of labour goes down. there is more to it of course but when it comes down it this is pretty much it.

>>139613407
Nice

>>139612555
Being this much of a cucked faggot

>>139611866
My grandpa worked in a factory, got little to no government benefits, and could support his sick wife and 5 kids...even send them all to university.

>>139612935
500/mo for a car
lolwtf
pay cash for cars dipshit thats well over half of the DISPOSABLE income you listed having

>>139611227
Illegal immigrants taking our jobs and more luxuries readily available. Back in the day you didn't have an internet bill to pay and buying the latest iphone every year on release day. If you take a good look at your expenses for the month you realize there are a shit ton of payments you have to make where it almost seems like microtransations that add up to a big figure.

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>>139613177

>$6691

>>139613591
They were just better than us. Nobody wants to admit it though.

>>139611227
Capitalism. Nothing in this world is perfect whether it is capitalism, communism, socialism or any other political/economic system. The rise of powerful corporations and banks has allowed capital to become concentrated in the hands of a few rich men and women while the rest is diluted among the masses.

Free markets can be a good thing, but if left unregulated problems arise. Success now is now all down to luck.

>>139613412
In the 80s a lot of people made stupid choices. My wife stayed home. We didn't need a second car. My kids were raised at home by my wife. She could make a weeks worth of food for 27 cents per meal. Baking homemade bread. Sunday's roast were my sandwiches for the week. Chicken neck soup with homemade noodles twice a week. Other folks needed two luxury cars, a couple coke fueled nights a week out a clubs. McMansions. Their kids ended up drug addicts and whores. Mine didn't.

>>139611227
Women's expectations were also a lot lower back then, they basically just wanted a not-butt-ugly guy who could pay the bills not Superman, and you could live in a middle/lower class neighborhood that was relatively safe back then. Lots of factors.

>>139612418
1) hunting isn't viable for food everywhere
2) not everyone has the skill or desire to build their own house
3) where do you live? This makes a major difference in taxes, prices of goods, and utilities.

Other than that, I agree. People keep wasting money on shit they don't need, and really don't think about saving as much anymore. You sound like a cool guy though

>>139613710
There is no set amount of 'capital'. People create it and get to keep it.

>>139613710
What you describe is cronyism, not Capitalism. The wealthy pay politicians for protection from competition.

>>139612330
well almost 20 years ago 3310 costed 14-15€ and today phones cost +800-1200€.

>>139613791
Success in life is about what you're willing to do.

Assume everybody is doing their best, and figure out how to make your 100% better than someone elses 100%.

Make your own margin.

>>139613485
explain unironic larper, pls explain

>>139613762

This is true, the general standard of living was lower, so people were willing to put up with less. There wasn't social media constantly beaming carefully curated pictures of other peoples' lives to make you think you were falling behind.

I think the biggest difference was that family and community actually existed among the working class, so they could get by on the equivalent of like 25-30k a year

>>139611227
Wagecuckery happened

>>139613710
You mean communisim you fucking retard

>>139611227
it still can if you put a house on empty land and make the bitch cook and grow vegetables.

>>139611227
jews

>>139613977
*85€

>>139611227
value of the dollar dropped, wages stagnated, women joined the work force en masse, entertainment became the #1 expense for most of the middle class....

as long as you're not retarded you can get $100k/year job

>>139612086
> meme flag
>claims to be economics major
> doesnt mention fiat dollar
> doesnt even recognize that inflation exists
> pretends international trade with slave-holding nations with no regulations is a good thing
> closes eyes and thinks of john maynard keynes when cant get it up
yeah, this guy checks out.

economics "study" is the fastest way to learn everything NOT to do if you want to become prosperous, either personally, or as a nation

>>139611227
juice

>>139612584
This. No shit working part time at McDonald's isn't enough to support a family, but your average medium-tier job in the trades or the lower rungs of the professional world is more than enough provided you can contain your desire for avocado toast.

>>139611227
>what happened /pol/?

Nothing, unless you are content working a crap job, in which case what happened is you settled for a crap job.

>>139614617
>bu-but muh $15 wages

>>139613632
Its fine for your old lady to drive a piece of shit if shes working at a convinience store. Different situation when she has a real job.

I cant bitch though, the current system works for me.

>graduate HS
>work in the oilfield
> $100k annual by the time im 20
>Buy some land
>Have a house built
>Co workers daughter is about to graduate
>Start flirting
>Marry that bitch before 2 months after she turns 18
>Put her through college
>Lol no womens studies for you
>make her choose a real degree
>help her with school work so she gets maximum scholarships
>graduated magnum cum louder
>knock that bitch up so she's stuck with me
>combined income is now $230k annual

She wasnt a virgin unfortunately but i think i did fairly well in this day and age

>>139611227
(((Free market))) + (((inflation))), quite surprised you care, since libertarian faggots don't want the state regulating the market.

>>139611227
The labor force doubled when women did the dumb thing and got tricked by the Jew and joined the work force, then made worse when we where then force to compete with countries that treat their people like slaves.

>>139615007
> communist fervently believes all social ills caused by Muh Ebil Kapitalism and Dem Jooz
> so delusional, thinks communism would be better
> doesnt know communism is run by Dem Same Jooz

>>139612392
>europe destoyed during war
>europe depends on american labor
>europe rebuilds for 30 years
>europe starts creating their own wealth and labor

>>139614617
>medium-tier trade job pays $90k

urbanite detected

>>139615319
>I hate it when people lord over me so I want to guarantee that very powerful people are lording over me absolutely!

I've never understood this line of communist reasoning, anon. And anyone who thinks we have a free market in the US is a dummy

>>139615676
It will with proper OT

>>139611227
inflation.
outsourcing jobs to china.
Gread,and greedy owners who dont share increased profits with workers.

>>139614019
>people were willing to put up with less
Or rather, less was the norm. It's less in retrospect but back then it was normal or sometimes even luxurious.
Today it's normal to have smartphones, but I remember everybody around me walking with ye olde Nokias, Sony Ericsson, Motorola and all of them saying "nobody needs that sort of luxury, at €600 it's way too expensive for a phone".
They're all walking with €600+ phones now.

That said I try to live a frugal life. When my parents left me in charge of the house for a week as they went on holiday, they came back finding the same bottles of soda, just half empty. Conventionally one of them only lasts the evening.
Same with the food. They were expecting me to buy shitloads of food and go to fast food joints and all that, order pizza's, etc.
Instead they struggled to swallow the idea of living off of salad, smoked sausage and biscuits for the whole week. C'est cheaper, and I'm Dutch after all.

>>139612604
This. I lift 4 times a week and 200 is what I spend every 2 weeks on grub. And I never eat out.

>>139611227

Inflation and minimum wage

>>139611227
Joo plan happened dumbass. Gtfo cuck

>>139613177
Is this the dumbest person to ever post on /pol/?

>>139615676
I was thinking more like $70k

In Upstate New York at $50k/year about 46% of my income goes to taxes(sales, gas, etc). Doesn't leave much left after rent and utilities. Enough for me to enjoy life but no fucking way could I support a wife and a kid.

THis is the end game of fractional reserve banking. It will only continue.

>>139614011

See
>>139613323

Printing money from thin air degrades the value of our cash. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fucking bluepilled cucked faggot.