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Why should I appeal to tradition when voting 'NO' for gay marriage? 2017-08-30 11:50:17 Post No. 139600612
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Why should I appeal to tradition when voting 'NO' for gay marriage?
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I think gay marriage is degeneracy, and I want to vote no to uphold traditions and respect the religious people who value marriage more than secular people. Question is: why we should uphold this tradition and why is gay marriage degeneracy?
Some common arguments:
>Slippery slope argument
>You give them an inch, they want a mile
>Gay marriage, LGBTQ+ programs, postmodern theories on gender etc are degenerate, all being signs and causes of civilisational decay.
>Religion
>Marriage is between a man and a woman - argued using religion or tradition (producing children, obligating partners, security etc) - which can now be disputed, at least partially.
>Gay people only want marriage, or like the thought of marriage because of tradition. They don't need marriage, nor does it serve any real utility for same-sex couples except as a 'sign of love and commitment'. Why do they need to marry to show their commitment?
>If there are any legal differences between de-facto gay couples and heterosexual married couples the laws can be changed for equality, thus removing much of the 'equal rights' argument away from pro-gay marriage crowd.
>Marriage isn't a right, its a tradition.
>Gay people have little to no point in getting married aside from doing so as a display of love and the opportunity to throw a big party for one night.
>Reactionary: to piss off liberals and deal a blow to their agenda - probably the underlying motive for me.
Are any of these even logical? Anyone have other arguments against gay marriage, or wants to adapt/expand on any of the above?
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>>139600612
Science on gays as parents:
http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/
www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf
Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/dev0000228
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Patterson-Farr-Forssell-AppliedDevScience-Jul-2010.pdf
How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2009.00678.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=userIsAuthenticated=false
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>>139600955
Statistics on gays and marriage:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/26/same-sex-marriage/
http://archive.is/g0kHt
http://www.gallup.com/poll/212702/lgbt-adults-married-sex-spouse.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication
http://archive.is/MlP5k
https://www.quora.com/What-percent-of-gay-men-in-the-US-are-in-a-long-term-relationship-and-how-does-this-compare-to-the-general-population
7% of millennials are gay:
https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PRRI-Millennials-Web-FINAL.pdf
http://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/Facts_for_Families_Pages/Children_with_Lesbian_Gay_Bisexual_and_Transgender_Parents_92.aspx
http://www.ibtimes.com/study-having-gay-parents-does-not-affect-childs-gender-identity-2579343
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>>139600976
Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/
http://archive.is/y64OH
https://www.advocate.com/health/2015/10/09/study-dna-identical-twins-can-reveal-whos-gay
http://archive.is/GuptB
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/17/science/gay-men-in-twin-study.html
http://archive.is/PSmzQ
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/research.points.to.genetic.element.in.homosexuality/35856.htm
Straight males carry gay genes:
http://chaladze.com/files/publications/Chaladze2016ASB.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28
Fecundity increases in female relatives of male homosexuals:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051088
https://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
http://archive.is/32sQz
Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:
http://archive.is/g3lal
http://www.nature.com/news/epigenetic-tags-linked-to-homosexuality-in-men-1.18530
http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/studies.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/identical-twins-genes-are-not-identical/
http://archive.is/MALR3
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1993-homosexual-orientation-in-twins.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xq28
Female relatives of gay men have 1.3x as many children:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02785.x/abstract
Androgen receptor gene linked to XQ28
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGEA11
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality
http://archive.is/E3my1
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>>139600992
The benefits of gay marriage:
https://www.liveabout.com/the-benefits-of-gay-marriage-1411846
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/gay-marriage-boosts-happiness-health-study-article-1.3053017
http://archive.is/dmO9e
http://theconversation.com/evidence-is-clear-on-the-benefits-of-legalising-same-sex-marriage-82428
http://archive.is/kezfR
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>>139600612
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