>"muh degeneracy" >"muh muslim invasion"

>>139590401
Christianity paved the way for the Marxism that destroys the west. It's also undignified to worship a dead jew, let the jews have their jewish god, there's no reason for westerners to adopt theirs.

>>139590401
That looks more like a fancy gazebo than a church...

>>139590401
the church is the enemy at this point

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>>139590401
>>139591146
This. Also many churches embrace modern degeneracy, including the catholic church. An aesthetic church in my city has a rainbow flag and one of those "no matter where you're from, we're glad you're our neighbor" signs with translations in Spanish and Arabic. I don't like what Christianity was to begin with, but it still pisses me off to see what it's become.

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>>139590401
God is dead.

>>139590401
Church and religion is degenerate, anon. Stop worshipping a kike.

>>139590401
I'm no Christ cuck, but that is a beautiful European building, Euros are such lazy cucks, for allowing their culture to be destroyed.

>>139590401

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-d4otHE-YI

>>139590401
>you have to worship a dead like on a stick to hate pisslam

>>139591146
>Christianity paved the way for the Marxism
That must have been a really long way if it took almost 2000 years

OP is the only non-faggot in this thread

Don't step on the flowers

>>139590401
Conservatives are allowed to be secular.

You don't need religion to realize degeneracy is bad and that Europe is getting conquered by Muslims - you only a hunger for truth that allows you to discard the MSM/post-modernism narrative, and knowledge of history.

Religion is the means to an end; it's a useful tool in achieving goals. That doesn't mean religious people are bad - it means they're tools.

>>139595003
Is it that hard to see the fact that Cristian churches care about Christians, they don't give flying fuck about West and western culture. There are more souls to harvest in the land of blacks, chinks and poos.

To think any other way is a folly. Truth is no institution really cares about Western culture, if you do then you are on your own; and you have to save your culture on your own

>>139595623
well said, also
neat flag

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>>139591146
No Europe colonized whole world and was best when it was Christian.

>>139590401
I want the church but without the bullshit.
I want a community group that works as an extended family connected together by being moral people.
Christianity promotes "faith" first, morals second. (Modern churches can get even worse that literally sell "good feels")
I'm too learned to enjoy sermons about passages in whatever heavily modified version the bible is.
You CAN derive morality (for humans) without using the Bible as an authoritative source. It just significantly more work and brain power.

Not an atheist.

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>>139590401
When churches stop ASKING for a muslim invasion and making trannies into preachers, then NORMAL PEOPLE might consider attending.

>>139595683
The Asatru Folk Assembly cares about western culture.
http://www.runestone.org/

>>139590401

>Muh magical sandnigger in space

Kill yourself, shitskin-faith-lover

>>139590401
This is the age of reason. Religion has sort of been hit over the head with a shovel and halfway buried alive. Science does not coexist well with magical ways of thinking.

>>139596446
>Science does not coexist well with magical ways of thinking.
Bullshit. They used to be linked harmoniously and worked a lot better then, too.

>Europe does well for hundreads of years under Christianity
>Suddenly in the 19th century Atheism starts to get a hold
>in the 20th century more and more people become atheist or non practitioners
>get TWO world wars that dethrone Europe permanently leaving as leaders of the world an Atheist super power and a Hedonistic super power
Really makes you ponder

>>139590401
Christianity was a destructive ideology designed to weaken the Roman Empire. Keeping it alive is suicide.

>>139596750
It took a long time for religion to die in the west but it happened directly after we adopted reason as our main way of thinking. Never before that did anyone ever say something like "God is dead". Reason is objectively superior because it is objective.

>>139591146
Unfortunately, being Catholic, I have to concede this is true

Look at Christian leaders response to the rapefugee crisis. It is glorified cowardice. We can be like "oh but in the old days we were strong crusaders" and that's true but it's bollocks now.

The idea of equality does stem from Judaism, and then Christianity and Islam which follow t. Even worse is their ideas about conversion and spreading the faith. Both liberalism and Marxism are secular versions of this

I truly wish the old church was here to defend us, but what it is now is anti European. It's also ridiculous to worship dead gods from before the church, but morally we should look to the romans etc for guidance on how to live. If we want to survive

>>139595623
RAARREEE

>>139596750
No... not modern science. The Philosophy of Science is extensive and advanced now. Both the body of knowledge that is Science and the Philosophy of Science are unfriendly with the assumptions in any religion.

>pope is a fucking cuck
>the churches around here are 80% old people who will die in the next 10 years
>closest church is a 70s style shit nu-church
>churches closing left and right
>have to pay 400 euros a year church tax and if I don't pay I'll never be able to marry in a church
I don't need to go to church to believe in Jesus Christ and god

>>139595243
This is moronic. The lack of meaning in people's lives from the collapse of the church is a crisis. We need to motivate people to have faith and strength in something authentic, less supernatural / magical and which affirms strength rather than attacking it as wicked

12 year old snake posters who think free market mctyranny is humanities greatest achievement need to fuck off and learn to read. It's just secular Judaism

>>139596750
>harmoniously
Yeah, like burning people alive for pointing out that the Earth is not flat and revolves around the sun.

>>139590401
Because I'm not a coalburner of the soul

>>139596446
Age of reason was the 19th century. We are into non supernatural religious madness now. Progressivism is just radical Protestantism without god. Marxism and Islam are near identical.. free market caps is just a weird Christian offshoot without god. People right now are as far from reasonable and rational as they've ever been

Back when there was an authentic religion based on te human experience in the classical period, rationality was more common. All of the modern trends involve militant idealism

>>139590401
Hypocrisy.
>>139591146
You mean merchant jewish tendencies and selfish interested cause the reformation which caused the enlightenment which caused all this.
>Muh dead kike on a stick
Christianity is about as un-jewish as it gets, hence its very nature and the new covenant you dumb cunt.

>>139597124
Ok but the comment I responded to was regarding science and magical thinking. Many people could assert that religion entails magical thinking, and in a way it does, but "Satan" I don't think meant it in quite that way. Before the Semitic religions, science was harmonized with many aspects of life. I agree though that now it is relatively incompatible, even with reformation/counter-reformtation/V1 & 2 etc.
>>139597338
this guy gets it

>>139597186
before Semitic religions... Christianity was bad in that way, Islam wasn't for a while and is now almost worse, and judaism... well who cares

>>139590401
>talks about degeneracy while worshipping a Middle Eastern god.

The irony is strong.

>>139597476
>all of my ancestors for the past 1000-2000 years were degenerates but I'm an enlightened postmillennial

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>>139597165
>have to pay 400 euros a year church tax
what the fuck do you mean?

>>139597637
The Christianity of the Middle Ages / early modern period was utterly different to now though. The medieval church would literally have led the war against Islamic immigration. Now they are so weak they invite it. You can't pine after something that's gone

It's certainly not defenders, but a more flexible faith like the roman pantheon etc would be less prone to the kind of irrational mass violence / cultural destruction that keep fucking us

>>139597895
Tithe, u pay to be Christian is Austria / Germany

>go to church
>pastor is a slit
>get told to love strangers more than my own family
No thanks. Christianity is a white suicide enabler.

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>>139590401
>muh only christianity can save the west
hello?

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>>139597896
>Now they are so weak they invite it.
Not true. Granted the pope is a fucking cuck. But what do you expect from having a jesuit in? Also you can criticize all the pope says (unless speaking ex cathedra) and still be a catholic.

>>139598082
which church? protestants are usually cucked

>>139597941
1/10th?? lol just don't do that. go to a catholic one

>>139597338
>Age of reason was the 19th century

Should I call it the age of science then? It's basically the same way of thinking.

>We are into non supernatural religious madness now

Not most people actually. Most people are rational. Our science is usually rational. Our conclusions are usually rational.

>Progressivism is just radical Protestantism without god

It's still somewhat based somewhat in fact. We're seeing discrepancies in wealth and they prefer to think all people were born equal.

>Marxism and Islam are near identical

They are both authoritarian but marxism is materialistic in nature. The only real faith they have is in Marx's theories.

>free market caps is just a weird Christian offshoot without god

Now I know you're intentionally seeing things through a religious lens. Could you elaborate on this?

>People right now are as far from reasonable and rational as they've ever been

The very foundations of our new world are based on rational conclusions for the most part. We're not the god fearing witch burners anymore, we've grown beyond believing in bogeymen and Santa Claus.

>All of the modern trends involve militant idealism

When you don't believe in a heaven after this place you start to try to make heaven on earth. Can you really blame them for wanting a better world? I still believe there is some wisdom in the bible that applies to this situation. It's the idea that mankind is inherently flawed that prevented this from happening in the past much. These idealists often do not realize the sheer amount of people they would have to imprison or kill to get their utopia.

>>139597896
There are enough traditionalist societies, especially in the Catholic church.

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>>139597168
>The lack of meaning in people's lives from the collapse of the church is a crisis. We need to motivate people to have faith and strength in something authentic,

You need a new Church then.

>>139590401
I'd unironically convert to Islam if it guaranteed a white ethnic state. Although I'd prefer it if it were just Sufism and didn't touch on Salafist shit.

A lot of political commentators, civic nats, alt lite, "skeptics" etc, like to pretend the problem with Islam is doctrinal, that if we could just pressure Muslims into moderate reform and denouncing extremists, all our problems would go away.

No, the problem with the vast majority of Muslims in Europe is the fact that they're inbred shitskins.

Look at the Muslim world. Balkan and Turkish Muslims are different from Sub-Saharan Muslims are different from North African and Middle Eastern Muslims are different from Arab Peninsula Muslims are different from Iranian Muslims are different from Afghan, Paki, Indian, Bangladeshi Muslims are different from SE Asian (eg Indonesian) Muslims, and if you know anything about the ethnic divides within Islam, you'll know that the veneer of kinship is thin.
You have Muslim gangs fighting turf wars along ethnic lines, lobbing homemade grenades at one another. You have honour killings of family members who dare cross over ethnic boundaries in their relationships. You have Saudis literally enslaving South and SE Asian Muslims.

Islam has none of the wishy washy one love bullshit that Christianity has turned to. Islam doesn't shy away from the Jewish Question, whilst Christians have always accommodated ethnic Jews in one fashion or another.

>>139595582
hehe

>>139590401
Oh yeah, because praying in church will solve the jew and immigration issues.

t. Christcuck

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>>139599165
Especially for the fact that Jesus was a Jew.

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>>139590401
If it's not the Pope kissing nigger muslim feet it's this. Christianity is over.

>>139597895
>>139597941
>>139598302
I'm literally in the official roman Catholic Church and I have to pay church tax
If you don't pay you don't get to marry in the church and there won't be a priest at your funeral

>>139590401
Who does this?

>>139590401
I'm Roman Catholic, my family was redpilled about 17 years ago and saw what some of the church leaders were becoming, and got out of it. Now in 2017, we have a Pope literally condemning everything that the U.S. has stood for and at the same time standing strong with snowflakes. The beliefs of Roman Catholicism aren't bad, the church leaders are. Until something changes in the leadership, I do not plan on going back.

I also refuse to join any other shit-tier form of Christianity or nigger-tier non-denominational nu-wave Christianity where they have rock concerts and drink kool-aid together.

>>139600526
Sounds like it's time for Islam, friendo.

Would you rather be among the conquered, or the conquerers?

>>139595545
this

>>139590401
I do go to Church tho . . .

>>139591146
Wrong. Christianity encourages hard work, it does not reject hierarchy, and is apolitical in its fundamental doctrine.

>>139597165
>church (((tax)))
Wtf

>>139600902
I'd rather partake in gorilla warfare and be part of a small faction.

>>139599770
"The Church is a perpetually defeated thing that always outlives her conquerers." - Hillaire Belloc

>>139590401
Because church is about refugees and foreigners these days

>>139590401
So u sayn if i don't want inbreed shitskins with their sandnigger religion, i have to worship another semitic "god".
Makes perfect sense Abdullah.
Now kys you goatraping nigger.

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>>139590401
I dont believe in god.

Would it not be a sin according to bible, going to church, praying, receiving communion while not believing any of it?

pic unrelated

>>139601202
It's gonna take a hell of a comeback at this point.

>>139590401
I rather worship the Greek gods

>>139590401
Urban decay thread?
Urban decay thread.
Post pics of nature taking over, dead cities and villages, barren and looted churches.

>>139590401
Religion is man made, and exists to serve the people who practice it.
The moment these churches become pozzed and anti-white, they have to be punished until they get back in line. That means shunning them, starving them of revenue, mocking them and their ways, etc.
Your attitude of, Please Sir, May I Have Another is completely absurd, out of the mouth of stockholm syndrome victims, a cuck's whining.
Cease your your faggitry or be destroyed. It's your choice.

>>139601152
We pay too nigga

>>139590401
>>doesn't go to church
>why do you do this?
I don't like cuckold porn

>>139600526
>we have a Pope literally condemning everything that the U.S. has stood for and at the same time standing strong with snowflakes. The beliefs of Roman Catholicism aren't bad, the church leaders are. Until something changes in the leadership, I do not plan on going back.

Classical deluded self-indulgent polack who desperately looks for excuses in order to justify laziness. Go to the motherfucking church, you atheist-prone cathocuck

>>139601754
if you are a Christian, there are no excuses for not going to Church. If you don't, you're going to Hell. Simple as that.

>>139601182
>Implying Muslims won't escalate terrorism into full blown guerilla warfare campaigns in Europe within the next decade or two
Europe is already a lost cause, they welcomed an enemy army with open arms, and promises of welfare.

The likely reason we're not seeing such a campaign now, is because they haven't yet infiltrated the US to the same degree. Once they have their first generation of "European citizens," who study subjects relevant to warfare like chemistry in University, and can enter the US easily, shits gonna get real.

10-20 years before the great insurrection of Europe begins, 20-50 years before it's a worldwide insurgency. This is a war that will last another two generations, at a minimum.

>>139597168
There is no way out of this crisis and you know it. Christianity is hammered in the psyche of the people so much that the majority of it has been stripped

>Hell and punishment have conveniently disappeared
>miracles and works of faith deemed absurd

What we call christianity is watered down deism, an abstract "Creator" that is not really Christ but some sky daddy that loves fags and trannies and muslims and everybody. They turned Christ into a social worker or a philosophic mystic like Buddha, not a god.

And a civ without its core moral code, as we see, is becoming emboldened, testing the limits of what is allowed and what not.

And worst case scenario we get weird christianity like those american mega churches and crazy preachers buying airplanes and essentially connecting money with goodness.

The sole reason orthodoxy is alive is because it refuses to abandon it's "mystical" stuff, orthodox churches are oppressive and heavy, and goddamn epic as fuck.

In the end we really are seeing just an amazing effect of that uncertainty in meaning.

>>139590401
Yes, pray to god instead of solving your problems. Good goy.

>>139601844
I was christened, does that mean I am a christian even if I dont believe in god?

>>139597338
The thing is that thanks to christianity we always perceived an "end", mostly with armageddon, so this influenced even philosophy and way of thinking.
all eastern societies have cyclical understanding, we had Hegel, and Progress is cemented completely on hegelian philosophy.

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I wish I had been brought it to be religious :( my atheist Jew mother was vehemently against religion and said it was a crutch for people who are weak willed.. I wish I could follow gods path but after 20 years of believing in nothing and not experiencing any type of faith it feels extremely false to try and find God now.

>>139602208
>according to the Church, yes

>>139601572
You'll get your wish then... Jeremiah 5 and Leviticus 26. Mark my words. Serve the idol of your gods. The ones who ate their children and killed mortal men. How well you shall be treated under their domain as a roman slave.

Enjoy the biblical sept 23 show. I'm the (((one))) its all been building towards in the music scenes illuminatro.

>>139590401
To be completely honest the photo is as beautiful as it is sad. The relationship between order and chaos and how our order requires constant maintenance is clearly demonstrated. Although still better to be reclaimed by nature then demolished to erect a mosque.

>>139599165
Spengler wrote about the future rise of mystery cults and syncretism, people seeking meaning.

Now we see female priests, "joint worship", feminists encouraging mother earth worship or some crazy shit because "god is a man".

Honestly, i hope we start seeing cults, and i mean reeeeally crazy like those american cults that go boom or him sleepy.

>>139602072
I am unironically jealous of muslims sometimes considering they are so adamant in believing there is something in life, and to think the entire world used to be like that is amazing...

>>139602292
*brought up not brought it

>>139597168
Honestly Britbong what do you think ((((((((((((they)))))))))))) are afraid of?
>Christianity created by a Jew
>Another Jew commits his life to killing all Jews who believe Christianity, which is only for Jews.
>Falls on his head, has a ''''''''''revelation''''''''''
>"I've been slaughtering Christians and it's wrong, I must SPREAD this religion!"
>Goes around telling Gentiles to come to Christ
>tries anything: celibacy, sex-cults, gnosticism, ANYTHING to get people to be Christian
>what emerges is the modern form of Christianity, a religion for the Near East and Mediterannean.
>Christianity becomes the cohesive force of Barbarians in the North
>Civiliziation advances past the Near East musings of a bunch of Jewish madmen
>Churches keep the Gentiles in line
What happens if the church no longer does this?
What happens when people realize that they were the force that created Civilization all along and they've grown past Abrahamism?
>Jews fucked
>churches fucked
>people become Identarian
Why do you think Marxism/Liberalism has become a literal Identity
Why do you think people are religiously fanatical about Multiculturalism

>>139602292
Always start with reading the occult, the crazier the better. Start with Crowley for instance.

It does not matter i think if there is a god or not, only that something opposite or similar but smaller in power exists. That alone is enough.

>>139602930
Okay... thanks anon

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>>139600071
What the fuck?
In the roman catholic here you don't have to pay 1/10th. you give in secret what you feel like.

>>139600526
fuck the pope tho he isn't infallible. do your part to change the church

.>>139602868
All Marxists since ever are against the church, even Marx was. They know that marxism depends on the destruction of christianity. Don't be dumb.

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>>139602546
have you been to /x/? A good portion of the threads center around discussion of the mystery schools in some respect. Everyone there is searching for meaning because it sure as hell not found in the modern church.

Everyone goes back to Hermes/Thoth

>>139590401
I tried going to church. I nearly cried.

>Obese female vicar doing a 'Vicar of Dibley' routine
>Beautiful Medieval walls covered with children's drawings of pro-rapefugee propaganda
>All hymns now modern songs with infantile retarded lyrics about how God is 'like a skyscraper because he's big.'
>God made to seem like a wishy washy sky daddy who is leftist
>Overall service very dull and sterile, no beauty or gravitas
>fuck that.

>>139603075
>All Marxists since ever are against the church, even Marx was. They know that marxism depends on the destruction of christianity. Don't be dumb.
Marxism is a Stand-In for Religious Identity.
>society evolving past State Religions
Why do you think it is foisted off as an Identity?

>>139603094
X has went to complete disaster and there are no good forums on the supernatural anymore.

The search for meaning will give an even bigger desire for occult knowledge (if it exists even), but we already see a rise of "mythical" thinking - the planet is alive and will punish us if we dont perform penance, feminists are straight up larping witches occasionaly, you really can see the desperation in people.

>>139603337
Here nigga, listen to some orthodox chant to heal yourself

This is fucking christianity, fuck that modernization bullshit, chants and candles all the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKnR9LqvYqk

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>>139602208
You may not believe in God, but God believes in You.

>>139603337
that's seems to be the way of anglican and methodist churchest here.
the thing is, a huge proportion of the fundamentalist christian nuts with their roots in anabaptism and calvinism, through puritanism and presbytarianism, to evangelism, migrated to the US.
we were left with a stagnant infrastructure which was overtaken with fluffy woo.
i sat in on a free church of scotland sermon once. it's completely different.
they simply did not touch on current events, in either a conservative or a progressive way. they very briefly alluded to "the turmoil of these times" being a good reason to turn the christ. i'd say a solid 98% of the sermon was about finding god through jesus christ and how fire and brimstone await those who don't.
afterwards, i chatted with the other churchgoers and had the woman immediately sat next to me asking if i had been saved yet, and lamenting that her own children had not yet been saved.
they simply do not care about anything else but finding god through jesus. that is the sum total of their interests.

>>139602292
Say the Jesus prayer everyday and everytime you think about it.

>>139603337
The Church of England has fallen low, hasn't it...

What makes Christianity any more correct than any other religion? The Greeks thought Zeus created lightning, through science we know that's not true, and it died out.
Christians think god created the Earth in 7 days. Through science we know the earth is billions of years old, yet Christians still hold on to their book of contradictions and ignore science as a work of another fictional character. It's just as crazy.

>>139602930
In second thoughts got any good into material?

>>139604113
What makes 1+1=2 more true than 1+1=1? Because there exist other religions does not mean that there is not a correct one.
>Christians believe this interpertation and nothing else so their dum lol
Nah

>>139590401
the hard part is to find a good church, nowadays...I'm a Christian, but too often there are priests and pastors wh only try to ride the current wave of the world instrad of following the Christ. I am not racist, but I also want to protect my identity. God is above all, but I was born with an identity and a people given tome by God and I msut preserve this identity, my culture and its traditions.

Sadly Christianity has been inflitrated in many caes by modern trends and its enemies are rooted deep inside of it; even a pope wanred us that the "smoke of Satan" has entered the church. Only one side note: i nthe west we've been exposed to Americanism, which cut off the roots and destroyed the tree of faith for good; in the east the storm that was secular Communism attacked the leaves and branches, but the roots were left almost untouched, henche why in most Christian Countries over there you can still see a thriving and strong community which is at war with the modern misconceptions of modern ecumenism, sycretism and relativism.

We need to start woring from oursleves and then propagate our values to the rest of the community, read Evola and keep your faith alive.
Many will call me a Christcuck, but I don't care: we are here to fight a common enemy, I don't care if those I want to fight with call me names. Our is a just fight, and we must stand next to our brothers even if they disagree with us when it comes to the faith we pursue. The world will keep on turning, but the Cross stands still. There were worst popes, even if the current one is far from great.

>>139597036
I know how it feels. But God sent us punishments and challenges longbefore this. Our whole "world" almost fell to the hands of the Muslims. And Jesus Christ himself told us "...but when the Son of man will come back, will he find the faith among the Earth?". Keep fighting, my friend, even if the night seems to never end: we live and die for Christ, and not for the pope, who's only a stewart.

>>139604113
The ancients had a preference for metaphor and analogy, especially when it could be used to both obscure spiritual teachings meant to be known by only a few, but with an understanding for what the symbolism was referring to, help further elucidate them to those who knew the key.

The profaning of such teachings by adopting a literalist interpretation is entirely misguided, whether it's done by "religious fundamentalists" themselves or the detractors of religion.

For a world in which materialist positivism has taken root, it might be difficult to understand just how different the values were of the people in the past to those of our time, but why do you think a religion, primarily interested in the soul, would place precedence on the material world?

>The Greeks thought Zeus created lightning
They didn't think a literal, physical sky daddy created literal, physical lightning.

>Christians think god created the Earth in 7 days.
They didn't think a literal, physical sky daddy created the entire world in a span of literally 7 days of 24 hours

>>139604332
Plenty but it is all in serbian. In all seriousness reading occult means sifting throug a looot of bullshit.

Your usual beginner occult is Crowley, Lavey, Bela Hamvas, Rene Guennon,Julius Evola.

Read up on Bela Hamvas and Rene Guenon for start but Guennon is just a disappointed westerner that idealized islamic culture.

Read the Bhagavad-Gita also. Then start reading the gnostics and manicheans.

One of the most interesting ones (check him out now) is Mircea Eliade, who studied world religions finding plenty of similarities.

Also, read Jung's essay on Wotan that he wrote after WW2 where he theorizes Germans had a kind of awakening of their collective unconcious.

That is enough for beginning.

>>139598202
I can be a Nationalist and a Christian, man. Love thy neighbour does not translate into be a naive imbecile and breed with everyone till you got no roots nor identity.

>>139598459
Indeed; even if they are small in number. But anyway, better few but good than many but lost.
And anyway, the world was made to hate us, so I'm okay with having to fight on all sides, to quote Mussolini: many enemies, much more honor.

I struggled with my faith for years, but now I don't want to give it up. It saved my life, that's more than enough to thank God and try tobe a good Christian and Nationalist.

>>139604421
Restate that math analogy, I don't know if it's a language barrier or a shitty analogy. Also, it's only now an "interpretation" because they had to come out and say "Whoa you misinterpreted the Bible, it was never supposed to be taken seriously, they're all just analogies bro!" Except the Church used to have people murdered for their "misinterpretations" like a heliocentric universe, or that homosexuality was punishable by death. When the corner stone of their religion started collapsing they back peddled more than any other religion in history. Hell, even Islam stuck to their guns, while Christians folded.

>>139604635
They didn't? So the Greeks sacrificed humans just for fun? They didn't actually believe it appeased the gods? Then what's the point? Christians don't believe God created the Earth in 7 days? It's pretty plain language, what could possibly be the metaphorical lesson in that? God doesn't own a clock? He can't tell time and just fucked it up when he was spreading his word?

>>139604788
I love Evola and admire him...even if he has some issues with rhe Christian faith, many of his writings helped me a lot. Together with deepening my faith, reading him made me a much better man.

I want to read Guenon just to undertand more of Evola's ideas, as he was a sort of spiritual guideline for Evola.

And as a Christian, I also admire ancient European myths and pantheons. I studied them a bit, and there are fascinating lessons in them; my Catholic grandmother introduced them to me when I was only 8 and they are awesome folk stories which can enrich one's mind and make him care more about his heritage, his past, his identity. I'm Christian, but I do not throw away my pagan roots, as they are part of who I am in a way.

>>139590401
because church is for fags like you

>>139605158
the important thing seems to be that the notion of "Flight of the gods" occurs all the time.

>>139603792
We grew "lazy"; in the past the faith was taken seriously and in many times we were persecuted and killed for believing in the Risen Christ. Soon it will be all over again like this: what feeds the real Chruch is the blood of martyrs; look in the Middle East, how those Christians are willing to live and die for their faith. Here in the West we are still safe from religious persecutions...and we are spoiled due to this.

There are good traditionalist groups. you just need to look for them. To live a good and real life of faith in today's world is difficult not because of hardship, but because of a general sense of laziness hovering above our society.

>>139605047
>it's pretty plain language
In english, yes. In the original languages, no. I'd suggest you do research on the Hebrew word "yom" which is used thousands of times throughout the bible to reference multiple units of time (when translated into English). In Christianity, God is considered to be the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, basically, infinite. Some apologetics argue that what some Christians interpret as 7 days of creation is completely different to an infinite/timeless being.

>>139605291
understandable; well, who will live will see.
As someone who grew in an half Christian half Communist household and later found Fascism and traditionalism in Christianity as a way to find meaning in his life, I cannot remove the Christian faith from myself without generating an unfillable hole in my "wholeness".
I still hope European Nations will find a way to fight back, be it through Christianity or another movement.

>I have no moral backbone
Either God is real or there's nothing wrong with murder. Since murder is wrong, God is real.
It is up to us to discover the will of God

>>139590401
i'm not a cuck for jews.

>>139605747
Read up on the "death of God" theology.

essentially, nietchze is the single most important philosopher in recent history, as his claim is not that god exists or does not but that the very ACT of belief is absurd to modern humanity.

>>139590401
I don't mind the Church in general, they still do a lot of good.

But right now, politically, they're a bunch of faggots. The current pope has got to go.

>>139602398
Roman slaves werent treat that bad. Compare to niggers

>>139605047
>So the Greeks sacrificed humans just for fun? They didn't actually believe it appeased the gods?
no age has held a monopoly on stupidity or superstition.
The entire reason esoteric schools of faith have existed is because this was recognized - that teachings, fallen into the hands of those who misunderstood them, would be harmful.
I should clarify, of course there have been faiths throughout the entirety of human history which took a more physicalist approach to their beliefs. People who felt that their fates were out of their hands and sought to appease whatever powers presided over the natural world.
>The profaning of such teachings by adopting a literalist interpretation is entirely misguided, whether it's done by "religious fundamentalists" themselves or the detractors of religion.
>whether it's done by "religious fundamentalists" themselves or the detractors of religion.
I even acknowledged in my original comment that purported religious practitioners themselves can be wrong too.

>Christians don't believe God created the Earth in 7 days? It's pretty plain language, what could possibly be the metaphorical lesson in that?
Modern science is largely based on what can be measured in, and defined by, only that which can be broken down into standard quantifiable units. As such, our view of the passage of time is largely based on its quantification. But you forget, ancients neither had the means nor the need to measure time so precisely back then. The passage of a day was the most visible representation of the passing of time, but it's important to realise they cared more about the quality, rather than quantity, of things. They cared more about what makes a day a day, what makes a night a night, than how long each was. The myth of creation within 7 days metaphorically referred to 7 periods of time each with a distinct quality. Each day was defined by the act of God on that day.

>>139590401
i'm an atheist

>>139605886
I read both him and Stirner; if I wasn't Christian, I'd say they were the best cobblers of a way of life.
Thanks for sharing your opinions, even if we differ I like to hear people with different points of view. That's why I still come here to /pol/.

>>139590401
I don't go to church because the only people that attend regularly are unwelcoming 60+ year olds, many of which are 80+ and look like they're on their death beds. They have their own tight-nit church communities and I would feel like an intruder. I'll start going to church again when I'm older and hopefully have a family.

>>139605662
I mean, there's plenty of other contradictions. Such as the "great flood" never happened. We know this through geological evidence. Even in the Bible it, states that EVERYONE but Noah and crew died in the flood. This simply cannot be true. We have evidence of other civilizations existing long before and after. Not only that, but the Bible also states that Cain has descendents today (Genesis 4:20 - 4:23 I believe.) This would also be impossible if Cain's lineage would have been wiped out in the flood.

>>139606277
So more or less your argument for a large portion of Christian fallacy is "Nah, they weren't true Christians, they read the Bible in the wrong context, or they were just trying to detract from the truth"? That sounds like gross misconduct from the Church, which if true would have upheld true Christian values. So either the Church is wrong, or the Bible is wrong. Either way, that doesn't sound like solid ground.

>>139590401
The churches in my city are flying faggot flags next to the American flag, shake you down/shame you/pity party for extra tithe money, or are the "cleans your sins" like a weekly bath after filthy behaviour types. They are not Christian churches: you cannot feel God moving through the church during sermons there.
I study the bible on my own at home and do my good deeds as necessary away from the churches.

>>139606480
Oh we are all seeking the escape from modern nihilism, a lot of people here have read even Heidegger, and Heidegger was painfully aware of the true inescapibility for Being (Dasein) in a technological world.

I gather hope over cyclical nature - that now the villages are dying, cities are useless for true art, that it all feels meaningless and that precisely is what drives people towards last ditch attempts at establishing utopias.

The obsession of our age with avoidance of pain, trying to solve everything through technologic managerism, really shows how desperate people are.

Everyone is an atheist until their mother dies, believe me. After that begins the true search for meaning.

What i find bad is there are no mystery schools like in the mountains or villages, or just weird stuff in general. Would be great.

>>139590401

Actually, preserving cultural and ethnic identity is just our cover for attacking minorities

>>139607124
>What i find bad is there are no mystery schools like in the mountains or villages, or just weird stuff in general. Would be great.
I again agree with you on this. I agree with you on many things you wrote.
Best of luck in life, whatever you'll end up being and doing.

>>139606776
>So more or less your argument for a large portion of Christian fallacy is "Nah, they weren't true Christians, they read the Bible in the wrong context, or they were just trying to detract from the truth"?
Pretty much. The democratizing of religion, and tossing bibles translated into the languages that plebeians would at least stand a miniscule chance of having literacy in, was a huge mistake. Remember there was a time when commonfolk weren't allowed to own a Bible, and when Rome insisted all Bibles were in Latin, necessitating the translation of the bible by clergymen as the sole stream of Biblical knowledge to the masses?

>That sounds like gross misconduct from the Church, which if true would have upheld true Christian values. So either the Church is wrong, or the Bible is wrong. Either way, that doesn't sound like solid ground.

The Bible, as with most religious texts, isn't perfect. However, when properly read and understood, there is truth in it. It is through reading works by many detractors of Christianity that I funnily enough began to see more truth in it than I had done before. So quite simply, I fall very, very firmly on the side of gross misconduct from the Church, the Church being wrong etc. Without a fucking doubt.

go worshipp your dead kike on a stike somewhere else

>>139601844
you're completely full of shit and don't even know what "church" is.

>>139607451
I guess if that is your interpretation of the Bible and opinion of the church, then that is fair ebough. To me I would be hesitant to follow any organization that would mislead it's following like that, and couldn't follow a book that can be interpreted in any possible way. Again, that just sounds like an enormous cop out, but again that might just be me.

>>139600071

In America the churches dont pay tax but they get no government money. In fact its illegal to do so since the government can never approve of any religion for fear of it favoring one.

You can get married in a catholic church here and if you are a member theyll let you for free or some small fee just for the people to make it happen. Maybe none if they know you.

We have some beautiful churches though and Catholics who never go to church end up wanting to get married there and they'll end up paying a higher fee.

>>139590401
Cause when I do go to Church they're arguing about pointless shit like what some 2000 year old Greek word means instead of taking time to notice Hell literally rising up against us.

>>139591146
t. atheist intellectual

>>139608238
I live in Utah, and trust me. There is no separation between church and state.

Christianity is cucked currently.

>>139608632

Well when the entire community is of one mind its hard but in theory you should be able to believe whatever you want and not have problems as long as you follow the law.

>>139591146
This. /pol is a Gnostic board nao. All jew religions are poisioned.

>>139607834
Don't mistake me for a Bible basher who swears on the Bible and the Bible alone. I'll read anything that seems like it could further elucidate the truth for the Soul. I guess it makes me guilty of syncretism, but it's not just a case of mushing together faiths. It's referencing them against one another to cut through the metaphorical vehicles each uses, (which are often defined by the cultures in which they were birthed, and of which a literal interpretation serves no purpose, elucidates no higher truth), to uncover that which actually offers direction to believe, practice and living right.

Christianity as it is now, has been reduced to sola fide essentially. Through faith alone. And they hide the lack of substance that this implies through projecting an entirely false outward appearance of piety, as well as many who get involved in hysterics. There is nothing profound in simply believing in something because you believe that something has commanded you to believe in it, and believe it wants you to believe in it. The logic behind Sola Fide is entirely circular, and meaningless.

I believe that has more to do with the substance of the people practicing religion than it does necessarily the religious body of text itself. In a way, I could almost say, it's not so much a matter of there being wrong religions, but wrong interpretations of religions. Just as there is with everything else in our lives. There are things, and there are our sense of things. Just because our sense of things misleads us, does not detract from the truth of the things themselves.

>>139608807
The problem is that they get to make the law. It's not just about following the law. It's about following their law.

>>139590401
Because it's a waste of time

>>139596062
See if you live near a Cowboy Church.

>>139608867
I respect that view, honestly; and apologize for my assumption that you were a run of the mill Christian. I can appreciate the fact that you look at cross references from different religions. I wouldn't say my views are anti religious, more anti Christian, simply because of the way it is pushed in modern society.

>>139605047
What I mean:
You seem to think that since there are many religions, and they are all different, then why is Chistianity the true one? But, as with the 1+1 problem, there are many answers HOWEVER only ONE is true and in the math analogy that is the number 2. In religion, perhaps Christianity? How can we know? Not by reasoning that since others believe falsehoods then there is no man that believes some truth.
I want to add that science helps us interpret our faith more correctly and is therefore not an enemy. Not many persons believe the whole truth so misinterpretetions and wrongdoings are inevitable, especially when talking about something limitless, which we cannot understand.
You probably didnt understand much cause im shit at explaining but i hope you did

>>139590401
I believe in science and not superstition.

>>139590401
Because every semitic religion is there to divide and push us into an more evil time.
Orthodoxy and Mysticism is where the truth lies.

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>>139590401

God is the green overtaking that chapel. He is the men who still breath living air, and see him in the leafs and the wood.

God made me self-justified - I am good as I am. Wild in the fields without clothes, I would be godly. It isn't my way to go to Church - god has not placed me there.

They don't want me in Church. The social interaction will distract me from what my mind is on now - god. I'll disrupt the congregation with my awkwardness.

I feel god in the wilderness Anon, and it is wonderful. When god exposes me to the rest of humanity, that's his will and I should always seek out fellow Christians - but for now, god keeps me in the wilderness.

To be honest, what really upsets me is my inability to give to charity. I'd go to Church just to find out who needed money, then leave.

>>139596199
Or, you know, providing a buffet for pedophiles for a Millennia

>>139610838
The hermit mindset

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>>139596446

>Science does not coexist well with magical ways of thinking

If you understand alchemy, you understand that 'science' is just ancient equations re-packaged. And the actual application of these ancient equations is called engineering, not "science." Many engineers are and have been religious, and they invented bakelite, teflon, nukes, everything. Even the greatest 'atheist' accomplishments make reference to ancient gods - Apollo.

And let me tell you, I've hung out with engineers, and they're very prone to 'magical thinking.' They literally think they can do anything - a civil engineer will tell you how he would make an airplane. Their psychotic arrogance is admirable, and the Bible tells us to think about what is good and admirable - and what is more admirable than an accomplished human engineer?

Why can't you atheists look at other people and admire them? I used to be one, and I know you don't admire anything - you think everything is shit. Food is ash in your mouth. You curse the day, and stay in bed for hours.

These engineers aren't like you - they dream. They show me blueprints all the time. Truth be told, they're going to get to Heaven by sheer grit - they'll build it.

God has given me visions of an Eden in space. I don't want to toot my own horn, but I can design my own spaceships because I ignored school and learned calculus - that's why I hang out with these guys.

Atheists are the guys who think their minds just magically popped into existance one day, and will just cease to exist at brain death - ignorant of the fact that the agonist/antagonist-receptor activity that produces their consciousness is identical to everyone else's.

>>139590401
I look at them, they are beautiful.
I have noticed a few smaller Churches need to be cleaned out, they are literally just heretical leftist chambers.

The churches are soul traps. Just one of the 666 names of the Beast. Anyone who has carefully read the Bible will see the contradictions within it, and know it to be a false path.