Give me ONE valid argument against same sex marriage that does

>>139569707
have to redo all the paperwork that says "man and wife" huge labor cost and really no benefit to society at all

>>139569834
Australian marriage law did not specify "man and woman" until 2004 when john howard changed it

>>139570051
the fuck do I care?

maybe john howard was wrong but it's a sunk cost at this point

your point is moot

>>139569707
Every society on earth has marriage between a man and a woman. It is one of the few things that actually unites us across the cultural divide. Changing a millinea old tradition to cater for a bunch of faggots is stupid.
Inb4 not an argument.
I dont care if they have civil unions. Just don't call it marriage, because it's not.

>>139569707
They're freaks that should die

>>139570314
>muh tradition
not an argument

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>>139570349
Who you calling a freak, dog kisser.

Name one bad thing about getting shot that doesn't involve injury, pain, or getting blood everywhere

>>139570221
It's the conservatives that caused all this, THEY SHOULD PAY TO CHANGE BACK!

>>139570514
It doesn't happen to enough niggers, leafs or muslims

>>139569707
>give me a valid argument and it can't be one I'm unable to retort

>>139570314
There exist many traditional societies with multiple genders, some acceptance of homosexual relationships (like the romans), and approval of polygamy.

>>139570537
>r/cringe

>>139569707
It's not altruistic. You're denying future generations the genetics that created intelligent and talented men simply because they think a vagina is icky. You selfish, heartless caveman.

>>139569707

gays are fags, therefore pedophiles

>>139570430
Never stated it as not a valid reason in your OP.
Aboriginals dont want faggot marriage.
Muslims dont want faggot marriage.
Asians dont want faggot marriage.
Africans dont want faggot marriage.
Only western nations have legalised faggot marriage, either faggots are for uniting the earth cultures or against it.

>>139570635
>exist
Romans society ended 2000 years ago, also they accepted faggots but they couldn't marry each other. In roman society marriage was between a man and a woman.

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>>139570908
this was what happened when the mexicans in california voted down gay marriage

its a fun play to watch

evolution does not go forward with gay shit only backwards

>>139569707
Dont be a fag!

Support gay marriage, its just plain sexy.

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>>139570887
pic related.

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>>139569707
>PwC modelling finds gay marriage plebiscite would result in $280m in lost productivity
>That cost comes on top of $158m for nationwide campaign
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-14/525-million-price-tag-on-same-sex-marriage-plebiscite-study/7243298

I know you cunts are all whiney neets but that's a lot of tax dollaryoos that should be spent elsewhere.

Also -
>govt. announces [non-compulsory] postal vote for poofta marriage
>majority of the population don't give a fuck and their postal vote will be lucky to be put in the recycling let alone used, posted and lodged correctly.
>there are a lot more old funglies who hate poofs and will make sure they vote than there are mincing queers desperate for a marriage certificate who'll also make sure they vote
>therefore: the vote will be no.

>>139571168
And here's the archive
https://archive.is/4xsoZ

>>139569707
It's gross. Next thing ya know you'll have people marrying dogs like they do in Mexico North.

>>139571236
You still around NorLinkArchiveBot?

>>139571312
Of course

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>>139569707

Give me ONE valid argument against fucking 13 year olds that doesn't include 'mah age of consent' 'muh slippery slope' or 'muh debunked statistics on trauma sustained by being fucked at the tender age of 13'

It's gross and I don't fucking want too. Now fuck off.

anyone who is against gays is just trying to suppress their own homosexual urges. it is known.

>>139569707

It involves marriage.

>>139569707
Declining population of developed societies and increasing population of undeveloped ones.

>>139571541
This argument was created by the faggots, to guilt society into becoming more accepting. Enough self hating faggots came out the closet and it becsme "fact".

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>>139569707

Here in the US we legalized gay marriage 2 years ago. I actually supported it at the time, because I believe in equality before the law.

Pic related is what's happening in 2017, they're literally exposing children to drag queens to try and normalize them. And this isn't even an isolated insane incident, neo liberals are doing this shit all over the country.

Once you legalized gay marriage all the people and money and NGOs who were working to normalize gay marriage won't just call it a day and move on with their lives. They'll find something new to normalize and if the US and Canada are any indication its going to be trannies.

So you can either keep fighting against gay marriage or you can surrender and watch as they try indoctrinate your children in an insane attempt to destroy the concept of gender roles.

>>139571168
Plus there no obligation to do as the poll results say

>>139571423
13 year olds don't want to fuck you unless they're mentally unwell

>>139569707
Penis was designed to go in a womens vagina not to slap dicks with another man. You would have to be mentally ill to think that a man marrying a man is ok.

Plus it contributes on the increase of political correctness.

Gays are alright, as long as they keep their homosex to a minium and for legit monogamous relationships. Grinder fags are scum.

>>139569707
Because marriage is between a man and woman. Checkmate fags.

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Marriage is religion and culture based. We are enterfeiring with an institution designed especially for straights. Even when woman was treated as shit and love between brothers in arms was greater, marriage was about man and womans union. Love is not an argument for marriage.
We need our own institution but calling it marriage sucks.

>>139571796
Penis is designed I mean not was.

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>>139569707
>>139571858
you heard him op

C H E C K M A T E

>>139571778
>13 year olds dont want to fuck.
Are you retarded, that's all I wanted to do at 13. Hormones were off the chart.
Emotional exploitation of adults against children is wrong that's why we have an age of consent.

How 'bout Darwinism?

>>139572167
An European lecturing others on what's good for their nation. Top kek.

>>139569707
>muh procreation

>>139572066
Yeah yeah but unless an older person threw themselves at you you'd be too chicken shit to do anything. 13 year olds just aren't interested in going all the way, I and most of my friends who watched porn only looked at girls by themselves in bras and that. Vaginas and penises are horrific to a young person (the vast majority of them anyway)

Im in favor of gay marriage, but their movement did pave the way for the fucking trannies to shit all over society so theres that...

>>139569707
The only difference between a homo and a pedo is a few more years.
You're mentally ill, and you should be treated as such.

>>139572111
Darwinism is a myth because people are devolving these days and believe that it is ok for man and man to fuck each other in the ass and a muslim as the London mayor and a nigger as the USA president.

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>>139569707

Homosexuality is immoral.

Samesex marriage promotes homosexuality.

>>139570635
Societies aren't civilizations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqXLfp2sFHQ
Who was in the wrong here?

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>>139569707
voting no just to spite you faggot

>>139569707
Muh /x/enoestrogene degeneracy ..

>>139569707
give me one reason, besides these three, so you really want four reasons but are just to cowardly to admit it? Is that what I'm getting from this?

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Love is Love.
2 dads are better then one dad.

>>139571875
This

>>139569707
Look at my flag and think very hard if this is where you want to be.

>>139571168
>majority of the population don't give a fuck and their postal vote will be lucky to be put in the recycling let alone used, posted and lodged correctly.
According to what (((poll)))
The public does care. And they're going to vote no.
Especially parents of gay children. The memory of banning homosexual research is still fresh.

>>139569707
Once the gays win marriage they start insisting that dudes can use the ladies room

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>>139572610

Punch line

>>139572561
It's cos those three reasons are retarded and have been discussed in other threads. Trust there to always be an idiot who wants to fling shit and bring up debunked or flaccid arguments.

It goes deeper than faggot marrige. Research NAMBLA and you'll really see what these sick bastards are really about.
This is just the beginning.

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>>139571755
Exactly - Prepbull could've saved a shitload of time, money and effort if he'd just had the balls to introduce a private members bill as a conscience vote and watch all the pooftas in the LNP squirm.

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>>139572761
delet this

>>139572368
Your either old as fuck and had dial up internet when you were a teenager. Or grew up in bubble. Discovering high speed internet porn is something most people have done by the age of 13. Vaginas and penisis cease being horrific when puberty sets in.
Exploitation of children is morally reprehensible and such people should be jailed for life.

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>>139569707

Vote Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR9nDN73brg

>>139572410
I thought stats showed homosexuality was more common in people who had been abused.

>>139572944
Are you saying high speed internet porn exposure at a young age fosters not all sexual impulses? Cos I think it's the opposite...

>>139569707
Gay marriage is just fucking gay checkmate fag.

>>139569707
Gay marriage will never result in the making of babies and without babies a culture will not survive. So to preserve gay rights in western society its immparative that gays enter a straight relationship.

>>139572960
why though

>>139573141
Meant 'normal' not 'not all'

Other than every single good reason to stop fag marriage. Five me one reason!
If it's a good reason it will go directly onto my "other than these reasons" list

gay marriage is morally perverted. I voted no to spite the fags thb ngl famalam.

>>139573176
They make up less than 5% of the population. Should infertile couples be unable to marry?

Conservatives need to learn the lesson of integrating gays. I'm not even saying "conservatives should change so gay people are more comfortable!" Very little change is needed. "Gay" isn't an ideology, so "gay conservative" isn't a contradiction. You don't need to change any position of substance. Just stop using this in particular as a wedge issue.
Gay rights is winning because the restriction makes no sense. You can protect the sanctity of marriage by having sacred marriages! If you're so right, BE so right. Make yourself look good and prove that your ideas bear good fruits.
There IS a gay agenda, but it exists for the same reason GamerGate did: there were powerful voices screeching about a group of people wrongthinking. The gay agenda exists solely in opposition to loud idiots in the media. And now that those voices have been thoroughly weakened, the gay agenda is coming apart, and the lack of "ideological gayness" is bearing fruit in a broader range of thought within LGB circles.

>>139572610
I think i just discovered how fags reproduce.... they can't reproduce of course, but they procreate through indoctrination of the next generation. That poor kid is doomed to a life of anal and bull prepping

>>139569707
Oh gee I dont fucking know....BECAUSE ITS ALREADY ALLOWED HERE?!!?!

The whole shitshow is about the definition of marriage.

>>139572761
>>139573033
also, this drake kid must be 12 or 13 years old now.
im willing to bet 1 million dollars this kid turns out to be a homo

>>139572761
If only we actually had to go to polling booths. I would stand out the front with this on a sign.

>>139569707
Give me ONE valid argument for same sex marriage that does not include "muh LGBTQ+ rights", "muh Love is Love" or "muh separation of church and state"

>>139573176
surrogacy and adoption exist you know

>>139569707
Cause fags are gay and you don't get to marry.

>>139573176
It depends on the number. If relatively few gays pursue a gay lifestyle, the rest can make enough children.

But we should not encourage it and must not let the schools present it as an equal alternative at ages where kids could be confused and their sexuality is still developing.

Also if you do anal sex and get HIV from it, don't expect others to pay the astronomical cost of treatment drugs. Nobody told you to stick your dick in someone else's shithole.

HIV is back on the rise.

>>139573445
Faggots like eating shit. This is a fact.

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>>139569707
>Give me ONE valid argument against same-sex marriage
>kike sky-god retardation prohibited

1. It accentuates the male-female schism that innately exists and that has been thinly veiled behind memes like "love" and "family" for centuries

2. It renders roasties all but useless to males -- given traps, sexbots and lab-engineered babies / eugenics, surrogacy et al..

3. It takes faggotry off the 'beat' and out of backrooms, and into the beds of couples -- out of the prying, preoccupied eyes of puritan lechers

4. It undermines the institution of marriage by demonstrating unequivocally that marriage under the auspice of a kike cock skin collector, has no value above a celebrant's contract

5. If you grant equal rights to poofters etc., you leave hetero-normies competing on an even keel with them -- a battle the latter cannot hope to win (*see: puling about 'Affirmative Action' etc.)

>>139572960
angry dad is right. The money for the poll could be better spent elsewhere. Just put the damn bill in Emu Court and let it pass/fail on its own merit.

HIV is back on the rise.

Now add that to your "other than these reasons" list

>>139573598
literally fake news:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/hiv-infections-in-nsw-have-fallen-to-their-lowest-levels-except-for-one-group-of-people/news-story/9dc7261df2978e0091ad6739ff106d43

>>139569707
Gays are pedophiles that enjoys converting kids into normalized degeneracy

>>139569707

debunked statistics? I'm sorry fag, just because you don't like the higher rates of AIDS, suicide, mental illness and other STD's doesn't make it false. Those statistics are true and you are damaged.

>>139573306
Well it would be preferable if a non fertile man married a non fertile woman

Even if you aren't a Christian, it's hilarious how God took so much shit in the bible, then the homos pissed him off to the point where he literally incinerated them.

So long as they don't get the tax breaks normal people get for making babies (unless they adopt or produce children).

>>139573591
That's what happened to the "white Australia" policies, I can assure you that our pollies are utterly devoid of service to the people.

That's why they set up the poll in the first place, they know it wouldn't pass and can't outright pass it in Parliament amongst themselves as they would put their parties at risk in the next election

>>139569707
The institution of marriage is an artificial concept, if a male gets married to a female it really doesn't mean shit, if a fag gets married to another fag it's meaningless as well, there's no argument against same sex marriage cause the concept is meaningless in first place.

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>>139573187

Just let it go by voting yes. Otherwise, we will keep beating a dead horse forever.... We need to focus on other critical issues instead of this gay shit.

>>139573761
You just know. The angst here is next level.

The government has no business concerning itself with the institution of marriage.

>>139570635
the romans also accepted slavery

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>>139574033

No, we need to protect marriage and sexual morals, which are under attack by diseased child molesting freaks who are unworthy of life.

>>139574145
marriage is a purely governmental thing. Religious marriage is irrelevant and not what people care about when they get married

>>139573398
Yeah of course I know that. With technology advancing in contraceptives its unlikely that there will be a big surplus of unwanted babies. And surrogacy will be needed by infertile couples.

>>139573754
Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?


http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts%5Fmolestation.html

http://www.pandys.org/articles/abuseandhomosexuality.html

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/09/18/903178/-Gays-are-pedophiles-No-Here-s-the-proof

http://archive.is/ztjf2

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/uploads/attachments/Anti-gayActivismandtheMisuseofScience_1.pdf

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-homosexuality-revisited/

>>139569707

>UN flag
>kiwi flag

alright you shitposting cunt listen here

>>139574182
the postal vote is not going to stop gay people from existing. these statistics are irrelevant.

>>139574033
>I will hold your countries politics hostage unless you bend to my will

If you really think that this issue matters that much to people you are pretty retarded.

The fact that this is the only real talking point that pro-fag marriage people use is enough for the layman to just vote no to piss you poofs of

>>139569707

Its Islamophobic.

>>139573684
Yes your source is fake news so stop promoting it.

HIV is rising

>>139573684
>>139574245

>my other cherry picking thread went tits up

>i better shitpost up another thread with my inane bullshit

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>>139574245
clicked on the archive link
looked at authors other works

into the trash it goes
no agenda here goy

>>139570772
>unironically referencing feggit

Welcome to 4chan, newfaggot. Don't let the door hit your sore asshole on the way out.

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>>139574343

The idea of even having an opinion poll on "samesex marriage" is ridiculous because the concept is ontologically impossible, like "square circles" or unicorns.

Why would be let the most basic institution of life and civilisation be revised by a population of mindless degenerates?

What really need are squads of morality police to comb through the cities to find faggots in their inner sanctum and beat them with clubs. We must break their bones and use whatever violence is necessary to defend our most sacred values against the onslaught of Satanic sex magic.

>>139574343
when aus votes no they will end themselves

>>139574882

Watching all those faggots kill themselves will be like flushing the toilet on society.

>>139569707
>muh slippery slope
>muh predictable forward shift in a political agenda over time that progresses based on the current legal foundation it has set to be the new normal

Yeah let's free the slaves it's not like the blacks are gonna be president or anything lol.

>>139569707
Marriage isn't a right.

>>139574872
marriage is not sacred, it's a piece of paper that gets ripped up half the time

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>>139569707
>>139570051
>>139570430
>>139572455
>>139573398
>>139574224
>>139574343
Because it's severely autistic.

>>139571738

This. I used to denigrate the "slippery slope" argument because I incorrectly assumed it had no truth to it. But the thing is -- the argument that one thing can lead to another is obviously not inherently a fallacy in any way.
When the links in that chain are well-explained and well-established, one can't simply yell "slippery slope fallacy!" and be done with it. What we have seen in the past few years in the U.S. is a move to the social left at a breakneck pace. Recall that, as recently as 2008, California -- yes, that California -- voted to make gay marriage explicitly illegal. And now we live in a world where this debate is considered 100% behind us and suddenly the talk is about trannies, with even those who are supposed to be social conservatives (i.e., the Republican party) increasingly beginning to accept trannies into the mainstream of society and cave to their demands. There is some evidence that next in line are pedophilia and polygamy. So although I am supportive of gay marriage in and of itself (I'd rather have two gay men married than engaging in all kinds of risky, high-promiscuity behavior), I think we're seeing a growing body of evidence that it leads to normalization of more harmful tendencies and mental illnesses, contributing to long-run societal degeneration.

So I do think it makes sense to draw a firm line and keep the social leftists fighting one battle rather than plunging deeper and deeper into the field of degeneracy.

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>>139573369
Poofs have had the same defacto rights as the rest of us since fucken years ago
>A de facto relationship is defined in Section 4AA of the Family Law Act 1975. The law requires that you and your former partner, who may be of the same or opposite sex, had a relationship as a couple living together on a genuine domestic basis.
http://www.familycourt.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/fcoaweb/family-law-matters/separation-and-divorce/defacto-relationships/

Because it is more about cultural marxism than marriage equality and I hate cultural marxists and dream of the day when they are all dropped out of helicopters.

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Remember that opinion polls do not decide what the law is. The law is the immutable law of nature inscribed on each of our hearts.

Children know instinctively that homosexuality is wrong. When they learn about for the first time they react with horror and disbelief.

When a society becomes so corrupt that it passes laws which directly violate the natural law inscribed on our hearts by God, it takes a band of fearless, disciplined men to step into the breach and restore order through an act of will and defiance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpRcvTDrA0c

>>139572960
>>139574033
p-post more faggo

>>139575436
>Children know instinctively that homosexuality is wrong. When they learn about for the first time they react with horror and disbelief.
[source needed]

>>139569707

Not sure what the problem is with you Aussies. Gay marriage is working out just fine here in the US, and our country is way bigger and more important than yours. Might as well just get on board with it. If the vote doesn't pass you now, it certainly will a few years from now - there's no stopping it. In the end it's much ado about nothing.

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>>139574371

Suck it up, cunt. Times have changed.

>Two-thirds of Australians support gay marriage

source: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/02/marriage-equality-in-australia-key-survey-charts-radical-10-year-shift-to-majority-support

>>139570635
Romans didn't approve of gay marriage.
Sure, they tolerated the gays, but they did not let them marry.
And even if they did, it wouldn't change the fact that marriage exists to create stable families that can raise the next generation of children to be productive adults.
What you advocate for is the transformation of marriage from a institution that serves as the backbone of civilisation itself into a bond based on hedonism and transient emotions.
While love is important to marriage (assuming gays can be in love), it is not the primary reason for marriage. The primary reason for it is the creation of stable child-bearing pairs.

>>139569707
Because its fucking gay.

>Debate with me on why my degenerate lifestyle is wrong
>Also you cant use any if the really good points

How about, because a non violent muslim will throw you off a building if you dont quit being a massive faggot?

Shit, i might even do it for him.

>>139575669
There were gay Roman emperors. We have come a long way since then. Who are you to say some people who pay taxes should have less rights than others? This was an issue for the Romans too, as they eventually granted citizenship and more rights to a variety of groups that paid their civilization.

>>139575436
I thought that mural was Keanu Reeves from Constantine.

>>139569707
>fags are the natural reservoir for hiv aids
>marriage tax breaks were designed for nuclear families, single payer households, should not be allowed for two working fags who can't have kids
>in the event that they adopt, fag kids are either raised withoht a mother and a father. Both roles are essential for proper social development. Fag kids are often fucked
>muh slippery slope is an argument and 2017 is proof of its legitimacy. Consequentialism is a valid position to take.

>>139575664
>Suck it up, cunt. Times have changed.
no, they haven't the only ones that should suck it up are tardy poofs that think anyone cares about them, you didn't even address my point that you all are infantile in rhetoric, good luck convincing people that your tantrum has any meaning

>>139575872
So people raising adoptive kids, surrogate kids, and kids from prior relationships don't deserve tax benefits why?

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>>139575688

Just ignore them. Why bothering checking them out? Are you in the closet or something?

>>139575793

>Who are you to say some people who pay taxes should have less rights than others?

Marriage isn't a right, you inept retard.

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>>139575953

I'm sure they receive tax benefits who adopt children. We just don't want filthy faggots to get their hands of children because to put a child in a house of faggotry is child abuse. And faggot couples who gain access to children via surrogate mothers are the moral equivalent of kidnappers and they need to be strangled to death and thrown into a woodchipper.

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>>139575872

>self-loathing faggot

oh boy... here we go.

>>139575793
Everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex.
You are also allowed to fuck your bum buddies as much as you want, despite the medical costs that accrues.
Homosexuality serves no higher purpose for civilization, so it is not worth redefining marriage for.

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>>139571738
>Implying all gay people are like this
The only reason you think this is because the gay people that are normal you dont notice, you dont notice,

>>139576236
So you just are ignoring that some people are same-sex attracted? Even Catholics don't do that anymore.

>>139569707
It'll make msm and the greens shit themselves

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>>139576282

I know right. Some of guys here are ignorant.

>>139569707

1. The political parties that spent 4 decades denouncing the traditional should NOT be granted access to it.

2. Homosexuality is intrinsically unhealthy and should have been outlawed during the AIDS crisis

3. Gay culture doesn't include marriages of any kind, or lend itself to monogamy.

>>139569834
No benefit to society except for happiness to the citizens and freedom. Yeah. No benefit. Dumb cunt.

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>>139576427
http://www.buddybuddy.com/survey.html

Plenty of gay people are monogamous and have kids, why should they be denied the same rights as other taxpayers?

>>139576312
Don't twist my words, I do not deny that homosexuality exists or that homosexuals have not contributed to society.
To be clear, the trait of homosexuality itself is not essential or beneficial to the further development or continuation of civilization.

>>139576312
>some people are same-sex attracted?
>some = very few
You don't change laws that are not broken because a tiny fraction of people want to feel validated.

It has already been stated, you can just form a civil union, end of story.

>>139576312
Literally irrelevant to his comment. I know you're mentally ill but try to stay on topic

>>139576216
Trillions of dollars from the taxpayers coffers of mostly white, western countries paid for this.

>>139570314
You don't get to decide who is and isn't married, knuckle dragger. It literally doesn't affect you at all and does nothing but help people who it applies to, and doesn't cost you any money. Get over it.

>>139570514
>Dodging the question this hard

>>139576511
Because it's not a secular institution.

>>139576312

If you're same sex attracted you have a variety of options: (1) you can kill yourself; (2) embrace a life of celibacy and platonic friendship; (3) get married to a woman and stop being a fucking whiny bitch - your parasitical fetishes bestow on you no dignity; or (4) be a filthy faggot and eventually die from your STDs, drug abuse or mental disorders.

>>139569707
Because you will be required by law to bake the faggots a wedding cake, but anyone can refuse to bake a cake for you and your cis-normative wife's wedding.

>>139576522
7% of millennial are gay.

https://www.prri.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PRRI-Millennials-Web-FINAL.pdf

>>139576521
If we contribute to society why should we be denied privileges you are afforded?

Civil unions are legally not marriages and complicate matters of inheritance and custody.

Here's a story:

>>139576563
>knuckle dragger.
says the one that can't find different countries on a map

>>139576643
>>
In South Australia a person in a de facto partnership cannot be listed on their partner's death certificate. Therefore they cannot access bereavement benefits from Centrelink, they can't get access to their partner's super or life insurance, and they can't get access to any property they didn't have shared title over (like cars, bank accounts, possibly real estate...) without the consent of their next of kin. If their partner's next of kin is either greedy or homophobic or otherwise adversarial, that throws up huge problems. And even if they aren't the process of transfer is lengthy and the first mentioned partner is in mourning at the time. (registered) spouses are automatically named on the death certificate.

Also, in family court proceedings, judges have a wide discretion of determining the nature of a relationship while overseeing a break up. Say a same sex couple has been in a de facto relationship for 15 years and they own a house and have raised a child. A judge can decide they weren't de facto, they were merely cohabitating, which can severely disadvantage one party to the proceedings who might be seeking shared custody of the child, or ownership of a certain asset, or asserting equitable title to the house. If the couple happen to be married, the judge's opinion doesn't matter, the marriage certificate is conclusive evidence of the relationship.

>>139575669
Romans had a very different concept of homosexuality. If you were the one fucking a guy in the arse, that is fine and acceptable. If you were the guy getting fucked in the arse, you were a filthy deplorable faggot.

>>139576667
Opposition to same sex marriage can't be because of "muh children", because gays can already adopt and raise children. It can literally only be on the basis that you don't think gay couples should be allowed automatic access to their deceased partner's stuff because that's the only gap amending the marriage act would fill.

There's an approximately uniform legislative scheme for de facto relationships in Australia. The problem with amending uniform legislation on controversial issues like marriage equality is that the mirror legislation doesn't change with it. If Victoria and WA amended their relevant legislation to bring de facto partnerships the rest of the way, there's no guarantee that state governments with more right wing electorates like qld, tas and nsw would do the same thing. It's clearly a job for the commonwealth parliament which is why it's always been treated that way.

But more to the point - if a de facto partnership conferred on the members of the partnership all the rights and responsibilities and benefits of a marriage, why wouldn't you call it a marriage? That's what it would be, after all. If you build an implement with a long wooden handle and four metal prongs fixed to the end, you don't make a shovel just because you call it that. You make a pitchfork. It's just pedantic and confused logic that gives same sex couples all the rights of marriage while still wanting to """win""" the public debate by technically not calling it marriage. It's ridiculous.

>>139576621
Marriage? Marriage is purely a political institution in the western world.

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>>139576312
catholics think of faggotry like they think of alcoholism
it may be genetic, it may not be. even if you stop drinking your liver is still wrecked.

>>139576661
Where did you get that from? That's completely irrelevant and unbacked

>>139569707
Heterosexuality = population growth/sustainment

Over the course of generations, is only so much homosexuality, contraception, and female careerism a culture can take before other cultures outbreed and overrun it.

>>139576642
You already cannot discriminate against gay people in Australia since 2013:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/08/02/australia-lgbt-and-intersex-anti-discrimination-laws-come-into-effect/

>>139569707
marriage is intended to support the family unit, which homos and trannies are incapable of creating

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Guys, there's no point in arguing with these child abusing faggots anymore. Just get behind a Fascist takeover of the Australian government so we can begin rounding up these disgusting freaks and shoving them into industrial meat grinders.

>>139570448
>that nose
>white

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>>139576713
Catholics are not the main source of opposition to this. Being gay is not physically harmful to self inherently like drinking alcohol to excess.

Because only 4% of gays place any value on monogamy in a relationship.

SSM isn't marriage as we have traditionally understood marriage values to be. It is outright pozzing and cultural marxism.

>>139576818
What about gay people who have adopted kids, hired a surrogate, or have kids from prior heterosexual relationships?

>>139569707
>give me one valid reason other than all these valid reasons

>>139569707
Decays morality and is anti evolution. It's a repeat of Rome.

>>139571423
Let me load some bullets into that reason.

>>139576511

>Have kids
Obviously not because the effects of this are currently unknown and not likely to be favourable.

The statistics for gay men there are way off the charts compared to hetero base stats. Not surprised that lesbians are more loyal, but then that leaves out their incredibly high domestic violence rates, doesn't it?

>why should they be denied the same rights as other taxpayers?

Because it's a mental illness, not a "preference"

Honestly, I'm not all that opposed to them getting married, I just like to play the devils advocate. But children? No, not now, not ever.

>>139576875
see
>>139576511
from an actual cited survey.

>>139576823
Uh, there were gay fascists. Mussolini didn't really care and Rohm was a homo.

>>139576667

That's a good start.

>>139576912
>not likely to be favorable

[citation needed]

>>139569707
>>give me one argument against gay marriage that doesn't include facts, logic, or even belief

Kill yourself faggot

>>139569707
>debunked
No debunking has been done, only dishonest statisticians and gender theorists (((reinterpreting))) shit.

>>139569707
Faggots are disgusting. How's that, OP?

>>139576643
are you trying to tell me that 7% of about ~25% is a large enough group to warrant new laws that are already provided by secular means

>>139576912
>reddit spacing

>>139569707
it doesn't effect me

so why would i want to vote yes?
i'll vote no

>>139576861
Muslims are only less opposed to it publicly because homosexuality is heavily, heavily discouraged in their private communities.

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>>139576861
I'm not sure if being gay is physically harmful to oneself or not. but I know it's harmful to Jesus. you should realize that since he died for all the sins of the world, every time you sin you are laying hands violent on jesus.

>>139574033
you fucks literally made this an issue when nobody cared except faggots
now you're telling us to leave it behind?

>>139576683
>because gays can already adopt and raise children
only with the approval of their State's Department of Child Protection. You give me stats, fag, as to the current proportion of approved adoptions to heterosexual couples compared to same sex couples.

>>139576914

And look what happened to Rohm. Hitler knew that that a faggot network inside your organisation is a terminal cancer.

>>139576982
Gays are not asking for religious marriage, just civil marriage. And yes, Blacks are 12.5% of US population and got rights back in the 1960s. Do you really fail to see how 7% could be enough to gain rights 60 years later?

>>139576914
>Rohm was a homo

before he and all he's buttbudies were executed

>>139569707
How about muh do what I say or I kill you faggot?

>>139576823
antipodean-resistance/info
That's a large neo-nazi group based in Melbourne, they've made National News every time they've done something.

>>139576861
You know that they think that homosexuality is a sin? Sin damages your soul in theirs perspective.

>>139576960
Monogamous, heterosexual couples have been the ideal for decades now. Single parents perform worse in almost every aspect when looking at childrens outcomes. What makes you think that gays, with high levels of mental illness and suicide, are somehow going to perform on par?

>>139577080
I have no idea I am not Australian. You wanna look it up?

>>139577180
And? Gays are asking for civil marriage. This doesn't have to do with religion.

Does anyone have that video of faggots being murdered by ISIS? That was hilarious.

>>139570635
>There exist many traditional societies with multiple genders

citation needed

>>139577090
He knew Rohm was a faggot from the beginning and only get rid of him when his power began to rival his own.
>>139577139
In an effort to kill the SA and only allow the SS to be the sole paramilitary branch. It was political, nothing to do with him being a fag.

>>139576432
You seem troubled, faggot.

>>139577216
2 parent households such as two men or two women, raising a planned family, has NEVER in ANY research shown to be worse than a heterosexual 2 parent family.

Your kind is the reason why we are slowly being replaced by racists whom barely breach the 75 iq points.

>>139576884
They are sacrificing the life of a child in order to validate themselves, and should be hung by the neck until death

>>139569707
Mental illness should be tolerated but not promoted. We shouldn't be entertaining the delusions these people have by allowing them to have fake marriages with artficial families. We should be focused on finding a cure so these people can live normal lives.

>>139576753
Therefore,
* forbidding homosexuality = maximum growth
* some homosexual tolerance = sustainable
* too much homosexuality = culture overrun, most likely by invaders who forbid homosexuality and all gays are slaughtered.

If you are gay, fine, whatever.... BUT STOP CONVERTING OTHERS TO GAYNESS.

Gay marriage is good. A cop in Boston was telling me how having them married as a public record has helped them keep track of the homosexuals. It's like a database of past and potential drug and sex criminals.

>>139576913
fuck off with your ignoring the stats that show an average fag has over 1000 sexual partners, most of whom are complete strangers. You ain't convincing anyone with your deceitful fagginess. SWhat is it about you fags that makes you all such little bitch liars? That female brain you all claim to be born with?

>>139573306
If the answer to this question is 'yes', will you accept fertility as an argument for traditional marriage?

>>139576861
it is harmful because gay people are so lustful -
this is shown by a higher STD/STi rate.
as well as increased chances of anal cancer
as well as that, gay couples are more likely to abuse each other

they only teach you rainbows and rhetoric in school though

>>139577128
>12.5% hard stat is the same as 7% of ~25%

>Gays are not asking for religious marriage, just civil marriage.

also we already have it
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union

>>139569707
Because they're fucking faggots.

>>139569707
You literally remove yourself from the gene pool in most cases.

And then act like it's normal to flaunt sexuality in public.

>>139577272
>NEVER in ANY research shown
Every study I've ever seen has had gay parent sample sizes of <50 compared to hetero samples of >10,000. I'm not willing to take the risk of increasing the number of gay parents just to "prove a point" so to speak.

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Calling out dissenters as concern trolling like its 4chan with summerfags

people are complex and shit

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>>139576432
"I can't be happy unless government is involved in my relationship"

wow really firing the neurons there faggot

Marriage is intended for child rearing for heterosexual couples. It is the foundation of civilization, the fundamental unit. Gays cannot bear children. It is moot for homosexuals.

Gays also shouldn't be adopting as it further removes responsibility from heterosexuals to take care of their fucking kids, as well as giving women even more reproductive power, which is a massive negative.

t. homosexual

>>139577221
>I am not Australian.
then fuck off out of this thread, fag. this is a local issue.

I don't like it

>>139577252
Yeah. It pisses me off. Don't tread on me is a good phrase, people like you are very hypocritical about this shit.

>>139569707
>Give me one valid argument that fits into my arbitrary definition of validity

Also lmao at "debunked" statistics.

>>139577343
Because those are bullshit and don't relate to the gay population at large. I gave you a survey of actual gay people, not conducted in a gay bar or at a pride parade in San Francisco, showing a majority of gays engage in monogamy.

>>139577348
AIDS rate has never been lower since 1985:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/hiv-infections-in-nsw-have-fallen-to-their-lowest-levels-except-for-one-group-of-people/news-story/9dc7261df2978e0091ad6739ff106d43

>>139577353
Civil unions confer limited benefits and are not marriage. You don't get to say my husband or wife in official documents without marriage.

>>139569707
>give me one argument that doesn't include valid points like religion, slippery slope or debunked statistics
>I can't argue: the non argument

>>139577460
What about gays who have kids through adoption, surrogacy, or prior heterosexual relationships?

>>139570635
Romans never accepted homosexuals. in fact- it's something the Romans made fun of the greeks for. It was a major taboo. (other than during the two periods of the collapse of Roman society, what a coincidence)

>>139577462
This is a global issue. Australia is the only English speaking country to not have adopted gay marriage yet.

Marriage is for the purpose of creating the foundation for a family via procreation. Homosexuals cannot procreate. If we recognize that they can't procreate then we recognize that their "marriage" is not actually a marriage.

>>139577552
At least two of the Roman Emperors were in same-sex unions; and in fact, thirteen out of the first fourteen Roman Emperors held to be bisexual or exclusively homosexual.[18] The first Roman emperor to have married a man was Nero, who is reported to have married two other men on different occasions. First with one of his freedman, Pythagoras, to whom Nero took the role of the bride, and later as a groom Nero married a young boy to replace his young teenage concubine whom he had killed [19] named Sporus in a very public ceremony... with all the solemnities of matrimony, and lived with him as his spouse. A friend gave the "bride" away "as required by law." The marriage was celebrated separately in both Greece and Rome in extravagant public ceremonies.[20] The Child Emperor Elagabalus referred to his chariot driver, a blond slave from Caria named Hierocles, as his husband.[21] He also married an athlete named Zoticus in a lavish public ceremony in Rome amidst the rejoicings of the citizens.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

>>139577616
What about gays who have kids through adoption, surrogacy, or from prior heterosexual relationships?

>>139577583
>(((global issue)))

>>139577507

They say they are monogamous to save face. But in reality their relationships are some form of negotiated polyamory.

Also, kill yourself, you diseased child molesting freak.

>>139577507
>aids rate never been lower
oh i guess aids is the only std that exists. wow. i guess homosexuality isn't hurting people kappa

>>139577507
>AIDS rate
Thanks to billions of dollars in taxpayer funds. It's hardly encouraging is it? Despite the obvious risks the government STILL has to step in because they wouldn't change their behaviour enough to curb it naturally.

>>139577667
They were taking an anonymous survey. Why do you think they would lie?

>>139577622

>using degenerates despised by their contemporaries to justify homosexuality

I suppose you'll say that its fine to have toddlers suck your cock because Tiberius did it.

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>>139577650
>from prior heterosexual relationships
In this case the child should remain with the heterosexual parent. I've met the children of women who divorced men when they came out. Not a single one of them had a relationship with their mother.

>>139571796
>penis
>designed

Christard

>>139577545
>Gays also shouldn't be adopting as it further removes responsibility from heterosexuals to take care of their fucking kids, as well as giving women even more reproductive power, which is a massive negative.

Surrogacy same boat. Bearing/rearing children is not our place in the world. Let the heterosexuals deal with their shit.

>prior heterosexual relationships

Find a new woman or find a man who isn't a lefty faggot. Learn your place. It is not ours to pick up the pieces from broken homes, nor is it to pretend we're straight to fulfill that desire.

>>139577583
Fuck off - the biggest hypocrisy in this whole push is the influence of intellectual jews pushing SSM in the West, when all the time Isreal is staunchly opposed to Same Sex Marriage. For the eleventy-billionth time - it is more about cultural marxism than marriage equality. Promiscous butt sex obviously makes you stupid, fag.

>>139577823
So you would propose stripping all gay people of custody of kids, even biological ones or where the other parent is unfit to do so?

>>139577507
>Civil unions confer limited benefits and are not marriage.
Why would society confer and bestow upon you specific benefits when you give nothing back in terms of new citizenry, in which you raise at you own expense.

>You don't get to say my husband or wife in official documents without marriage.
If you don't value your other half unless they hold a specific title why are you even together provided you actually are and not just a
truckstop poojab

>>139576643
>If we contribute to society why should we be denied privileges you are afforded?
You already have the privileges you deserve. If you want more privileges, marry someone of the opposite sex.
You can't play this game of "we deserve those privileges too" when you ignore the whole purpose of marriage in the first place. There is no point in affording people of the same sex the opportunity to marry, because they are not capable of fulfilling the primary reason for a marriage to exist in the first place.

Gay culture is not Aussie culture.

>>139577865
Israel has had its own controversies regarding both same sex marriage as well as recent decisions looking at gay adoptions. To say they don't struggle with it too and there aren't two sides there would be false. They are not as secular of a country as Australia so the comparison is not fully apt. Gays are asking for civil marriage, which doesn't exist for ANYONE in Israel.

>>139577650
I feel very sorry for these kids, fag, and do not want this harm inflicted on any other children.

>>139576861
Both of those things are inherently harmful to yourself.

>>139577919
Gay culture is not culture, it is an aberration.

>>139569707
Heterosexual couples only are capable of producing children.

Married couples get tax benefits because they are expected to produce children.

Faggots cannot produce children.

Therefore faggots should not be married.

/thread

>>139577870
>So you would propose stripping all gay people of custody of kids, even biological ones or where the other parent is unfit to do so?

No, if the other parent is completely unfit then they should remain. But that wasn't my argument, was it? You people always have to put words in the mouths of others in order to make a point.

I'd be fine with current gay parents raising the kids they currently have, but stopping any new adoptions/assisted births services.

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>>139578055

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>>139577773

To make the public believe that they can be trusted with marriage and children. They want you to believe that their lives are just like 'Leave it to Beaver'.

>>139578105
So the arguments are whether gays should marry and you think there is popular support for banning gays from adopting entirely?

>>139577966
And the same kikes who push SSM on the West realise it is too harmful to society to push onto Isreal. Makes you think, fag.

>>139578112
So everyone was in on it, or all just decided to lie and say they were monogamous independently of one another?

>>139578110
The gay couple did not produce a baby and never will. What you might want to suggest is to instead offer tax benefits to surrogate mothers and sperm donors. Sad attempt at reason.

>>139569707
I'm a libertarian and this is unnecessary government activity that should only be at the very least state or local-based, if at all

>why?

because big government is bad

>>139577870
Idiot. Where did he say he advocates for stripping gays of their kids?
Why do you bring that up? Cause you have no point and so you move on to another subject.
Show me the statistics on the percentage of gay married couples who file for adoption.
On this subject, I think that straight couples should get preference and priority over gay couples. Gays have an even higher rate of divorce (esp. among lesbians) and have a higher rate of domestic violence (double especially among lesbians).

>>139578110
>cuck

those kids are gunna end up being abused

Remember that the best thing you can do to protect children is murder a faggot, because there is almost a 50/50 chance that a given faggot is a child abuser. They really are awful people. They abuse children and they spread disease and lure confused boys into their deathstyle. We just need to kill every last one of them.

>>139578175
There are plenty of people in Israel who advocate for same sex marriage and same sex adoption is available there on a limited basis, and also allowed if the couple marries or adopts abroad.

Their high courts are currently reviewing gay adoption rights for domestic gay couples.

That said, again, they don't have civil marriage so the comparison is not equal. They only have religious marriages. Religious marriages are not affected by allowing gays to have civil marriages in a country where both are permitted.

>>139578278
Surrogate mothers don't raise the kids. People get tax breaks for raising kids. People in childless marriages get tax breaks.

>>139569707
There is no argument against it. All the people arguing for 'No' for reasons other than shedding lefty tears think modern marriage is traditional marriage. Modern marriage is just 'Civil Union Plus', which is the real problem, as marriage should be about building children.

The truth is the West needs a new concept of marriage. Firstly, Marriage should be ONLY for people who have children (gay or straight, adopted or natural). Everybody else should be engaged in a civil union, which should transition into a marriage once children are born. Marriage should not be a contract between a couple, but a contract between a family; parents and children.

>>139577460
That is the most incredibly uneducated thought on adoption I've ever heard. People are going to put their fucking kids up for adoption no matter what, and anyone who blames gays for adoption is an absolute trogolodyte.

It sure is a big fucking deal to you guys for something that could literally affect you in no way at all.

Pretending that marriage is only in existence for governmental reasons is really really dumb. It has its function in that sense, yes, but the main reason people get married isn't for fucking tax benefits. People get married because they love each other. How about this, you shouldn't be able to marry Stacy because that doesn't meet the diversity quota, so you've gotta marry Shawnda because we need more interracial couples. You can't marry her because big government Jews say so. Same goes for gay marriage, we wouldn't be able to get married because someone else says we can't because it doesn't align with their personal beliefs.

Seriously, fuck off. You don't like gay people for some reason and you don't want them to be happy, that's all it boils down to. You don't want anyone to be different than what your personal beliefs say they should be and that's all it is.

>>139570314
Demonstrably wrong. There are societies that function on Polygamy and Polyandry. There are societies today that have more then 2 genders. Now I'm going to assume that you will discard those facts with the "but they're not the mega-nation cultures". Tribes and small villages are societies. They are cultures that have made the practice work. You're just wrong bro. Just wrong.

>>139569707
implying acceptance of faggotry is anyway good for society

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>>139578149
How are you so fucking incapable of debate or have no sense of what a debate actually is? The topic is provide an argument for barring homosexuals from marrying that isn't religious, a slippery slope, or referring to statistics.

Why the fuck are you pointing to countries and how they do things and asking whether or not people would support it? It's irrelevant to the conversation.

Gays are supposed to have slightly higher IQs. Start acting like it you degenerate sweater monkey.

t. homosexual

>>139578110
That woman and that pathetic cuck should be ashamed of themselves for helping those homosexuals produce human sex toys.

>>139578110
I'm guessing that they used a woman to make that baby?

Are you even thinking about how fucked up that kid is going to be?

>>139578350
No, they get tax breaks because in a marriage, it's implied a child will be produced.

>>139578356
>You don't like gay people for some reason and you don't want them to be happy, that's all it boils down to. You don't want anyone to be different than what your personal beliefs say they should be and that's all it is.

https://youtu.be/TAryFIuRxmQ

This 100%

Some people just don't want others to have the opportunity to be happy.

>>139578504
Then why are the tax breaks not specifically tied to having a kid?

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Let the fags get married. Nothing ruins a sex life like a wedding ring. Why should they be happy?

>>139571682
Would be a good arguement if had anything to do with gay marriage. Going to happen no matter if gays can marry or not. Just the way the advancement of civilization works.

>>139578613
They are in the form of marriage. Can you not read?

>>139571738
FYI most drag queens are straight men that like to dress up as a character that happens to be female.

Drag queens are not Transexuals.

>>139578578
This is a very Reddit-like post. Why not go to Reddit and talk about homosexuality there? You can even get upvotes.

>>139578388
>There are societies that function on Polygamy and Polyandry. There are societies today that have more then 2 genders.
And there are societies that function on cannabalism, so let's introduce that too. You're safe, fag. I won't eat you. I'd catch AIDS.

>>139570448
kissing a dog like that is pretty gross.
Sucking another dude's dick and letting him shoot his pozz loads where you shit from is still way more disgusting, you faggot.

>>139578705
Marriage has no requirement that you have kids.

>>139569707
because it's gay, faggot

>>139569707
It's fucking disgusting, most people feel sick when encountered by homosexuality and shouldn't have to see it if they don't want to.

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>>139569707
>does not include [...] "muh slippery slope"
but its true. gay marriage only gained support here less than 10 years ago. and now people are cutting their dicks off, claiming there's 62 genders and you better agree or you're a bigot, you better use my pronouns or ill sue you. children are dressing up in drag and twerking. it's disgusting. it's literal normalized cultural degeneracy, and it started with gay marriage. and it will end with gay marriage.

>>139578110
Now lets talk about rich, western gay men using poor 3rd world women as incubators so that they can "play house".

>>139571796
Penis was not designed. It evolved. But yeah it did evolve that way. Are bodies also evolved to give out naturally at an old age. Should we not try to extend our life spans as well?

>>139578741
Sure. But in principle, a marriage will result in children. This is economically beneficial, therefore the couple gets tax breaks.

Again, can you not read or do you kust enjoy pretending to be an idiot?

It encourages children to think early about needless subjects like sex and sexual identity, and demoralizes them and society and eventually degrades society into a shell of it's former progression.

Sex should not be taught or talked about on a large public scale period. That's the issue, not whether or not gay marriage is legal or not. I do not fucking care if it's legal but it's impossible to legalize without other agendas being pushed.

>>139578851
It is possible to specifically offer tax breaks to people who have kids, that isn't what is done here. Infertile couples have been enjoying marriage and its tax benefits for many generations and will continue to do so.

>>139570430
>muh progressive and unproven social policies
Not an argument either, boyo.

>>139578769
Remember, slippery slopes are only hypohetical. Acceptance of homosexuals leading to problems is proven.

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>>139575429
>Because it is more about cultural marxism than marriage equality and I hate cultural marxists and dream of the day when they are all dropped out of helicopters.
As Bronny showed us - that's a real fucken expensive option.

Better to convince via posts on tumblr that the only way for them to assuage their ciswhite guilt is to jump off the nearest high structure like lemmings.
We could send the bodies to the Chum factory and as a special run of free food for the RSPCA animal shelters and melt down all their piercings to make "No Junk Mail Or Postal Votes" signs for everyone's post boxes.

>>139572418
I'd like some statistics or studies to back this up. People love to say society is going to shit, but in every measurable way it is getting better.

>>139578817
if you want to extend people's lifespans you should discourage receptive anal sex; or at least put a warning label on it like a cigarette lmfao

>>139578954
The benefits of gay marriage:


https://www.liveabout.com/the-benefits-of-gay-marriage-1411846

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/gay-marriage-boosts-happiness-health-study-article-1.3053017

http://archive.is/dmO9e

http://theconversation.com/evidence-is-clear-on-the-benefits-of-legalising-same-sex-marriage-82428

http://archive.is/kezfR

>>139578578
DURRRR IT'S ALL ABOUT "HATE" NOT EVERY OTHER REASON BROUGHT UP
standard reddit maymay

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>>139569707
BEcause women make terrible parents. They betray their own kind, they don't understand loyalty, and they are incapable of making rational decisions. If we simply use them for creating the next generation, the children should be raised in a two-male home that can teach children the proper way to act and behave in a society. If we can do this for a number of generations, ideally we can breed out the worst traits in women and some day allow Male+Female marriages again.

>>139575286
>edds juszt be peece of paaper btfo loool
Go fuck yourself

>>139578356
>and anyone who blames gays for adoption is an absolute trogolodyte.

I never said that nigger. It's being proposed as a band aid fix to kids put up for adoption. If you want to fix the problem of adoption, you return responsibility to heterosexual couples to get married and stay married.

inb4

>but what if they aren't happy

Think of the greater picture retard, I know you can do it.

>It sure is a big fucking deal to you guys for something that could literally affect you in no way at all.

You're right, it doesn't affect me because I'm a faggot that knows my place in the world. What it does affect is the societal health and the continuous erosion of gender norms, gender roles, and the nuclear family. Those things I care about, even if it doesn't affect me, because I am not a self-centered twat.

>People get married because they love each other.

If you insist the government is involved, get a civil union and then have a marriage ceremony. Wow!

>Seriously, fuck off. You don't like gay people for some reason and you don't want them to be happy

Oh I love gays, I hate women. And yet I still want women to be happy. Do you know why? Because a woman that knows her role is happy and subservient, bears children, keeps the man in the household happy. You know what happens when the fundamental unit of society is healthy? Society as a whole is healthy.

Go fuck yourself you self-centered narcissist.

t. a homosexual

>>139578933
Yes, because "in principle" ignores incidental factors. What is your point?

>>139572926
Telling others to research something. If you aren't willing to present the evidence or give links then I say fuck off.

>>139578817
>Should we not try to extend our life spans as well
From an and economic standpoint, no. People shit on immigrants and the poor a lot, but the greatest economic strain on western society is unironically old people on pensions. From a social standpoint things are quite different though.

>>139570635
only post-helenisation, even then untraditional and distasteful
homosexuality was an Athenian thing

>>139578350
>Adopts abroad
You mean purchases a child from the third world. How very ethical.

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>>139578726
That's a really good rebuttle.

>>139570635
The romans made fun of gaius julius caesar for being a bottom bitch

>>139578733
Doesn't matter. The point is that the post I responded to stated that ALL societies made marriage between a man and woman, and that's absolutely false.

We can demonstrate why cannibalism is wrong from multiple points, but you can't point out why same-sex marriage wrong outside of arguments from popularity and tradition.

Tbh, if Aus government weren't stuffing around we would have legalized it by now. Most people don't fear gays anymore.

>>139570635
>Ancient civilisations maymay.
Actually very rarely practiced and usually looked down upon. Also both Greek and Roman civs collapsed, didn't they? I wonder why? It wouldn't be moral corruption and disruptive inside and outside influences, would it?

>>139577346
Not the guy you responded to, but I would think it would be at least a more consistent. Still dumb as fuck but still consistent.

>>139579286
There are current societies that do it.

>>139579025
Gay men are often basically bad simulacrums of women though, either that or they're smart but troubled workaholics. Both not really suited to raise children.

>>139579096
Economics is rarely a good argument. Economically we should kill all disabled people and people that are too old to work.

>>139571541
arachnophobia means secretly wanting to be a spider

>>139579104
Let me try with an analogy for you, Americans love those.
>Spic moves to the USA
>Doesn't contribute with anything
>Speaks spanish to everyone
>Gets told that he looks Mexican
>Maybe he should move to Mexico
>People would even be able to understand him there

>>139579019
People being disgusted by gays is not enough reason to deny us rights.

>>139579067
You know what my point is. Taxes are incentivized for two people coupling up and signing a legal document. Not as a reward for having kids.

>>139579103
Agreed. Gays all over the world should be permitted to adopt domestically.

>>139579519
>Taking things out of context: The post.
You're doing it again. You can't argue without putting words in other peoples mouths, ignoring the point or denying context.

>>139579673
http://www.wisconsingazette.com/news/nepal-stages-international-gay-parade/article_3f40f732-d07e-5a75-a30b-a85ed29e6308.html

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>>139579045
Honestly, I've never seen such insane mental gymnastics. You really should see a psychologist, I think you're schizophrenic. I'm not going to type all this shit out, I have work and school tomorrow and it's late.

You've seriously got to realize that the whole country doesn't view your definition of a """healthy society""" as healthy. You're delusional and you need to get out of your very, very, very small bubble. Go outside and meet people, sounds like you're lonely.

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>>139572066
>against children
>children

Cant see any difference.