>>139532868 Vegans shit their guts out constantly. I eat

Habbit?
I could be vegan but I'm already not vegan and it's actually a big effort to change with no real reason to change and no payoff.

Keep living up on your high horse though. We all know you're just a hypocrite.

>>139532868
>humans instantly kill their preys
>other animals, like the mantis, slowly eats their preys brain's out while they suffer a slow, painful death
Nature is cruel, deal with it, fruit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RZ4i6DmlQ

>>139532868
Mankind has dominion over the rest of nature. God's commandments concerning morality have no relation to non-human creations whatsoever.
Fuck off.

I like meat. Your feelings do not matter.

>>139533549
Are you a troll, or are you unable to perceive the way your position (and the god you represent) seems morally bankrupt with that particular line of rhetoric?

Your position (its ok to eat meat) could be one I agree with, but philosophically its insidious.

A SIMILAR line of reasoning, since an example would illustrate my point is
"Maoism is the best way. Its not wrong to kill a non Maoist."

I eat meat because it has nutrients I need, and, on an animal level, crave.
Hunting and butchering the animal (or being required to) would perhaps make me more likely to be vegetarian, or at least have respect for the animal I'm eating as thats how I personally am wired, though I could imagine the same actions could de-sensitize me to eating meat too.

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>>139533023
>vegans shit their guts out constantly
do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>139533116
>no reason to change
>no payoff
so you're only willing to take actions that benefit yourself and care nothing for how those actions affect other beings. The very definition of a "Man-in-time." I hope you can outgrow your subhumanity.

>>139533381
>nature is cruel
refer to the first Savitri Devi quote

>>139533549
>God's commandments concerning morality have no relation to non-human creations whatsoever
Precisely why the National Socialists recognized Judeo-Christianity as an inferior moral system.

>>139533557
>I like meat. Your feelings do not matter
Translation: My pleasure is all that matters to me. The feelings of other sentient beings do not matter.

>>139534393
To be fair, re-reading your comment, I may have misunderstood you, as you're talking about who you think the magic man in the sky has rules for, and since he's not signing autographs its a moot point and a non-issue for me, and my butthurt posturing less relevant.

>>139533023

We eat more fibre generally. Our shits are cleaner than yours as the human digestion can't effectively digest meat

>>139534393
God determines morality. God gave dominion over animals to humans. There is nothing morally lacking in following the moral law of God - no other false "morality" matters.

>>139532868
fucking hell man...
imagine being one of them

i would be vegan or at least eat much less meat but that shit is not really option here, not enough money and not enough variety

Questioning veganism is a good way of gauging intelligence. If you can't recognise that meat eating is unethical, unhealthy and bad for the environment then you aren't intelligent. Denotes poor critical thinking.

The problem is that veganism is the right thing, irrespective of your personal opinion. But that doesn't mean people will adhere to it. People are selfish and will choose personal gain over a collective nuisance

>>139534422
Humans are existentially more important than animals. If you don't feel any more for another human than you do for an ant, then enjoy hell.

>>139534422
kys

Predation made Man what he is. Our brains would still be as tiny as most herbivores without rich animal fats to push us forward. People who are unwilling to kill and eat an animal should not be allowed to vote.

>>139532868
We enjoy eating animal. Human is sometimes animal, you understand.

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Fuck off OP.

i have empathy, but not for a cow..

it's not going to have a great life anyways.. it will stand there and eat grass for it's entire life. i bet the cow doesn't give a single fuck if she dies. we bred it for this purpose anyways, it would not have lived if we did not breed it for food

animals like rabbits are there for the sole purpose of being food. they breed so fast it would be an ecological disaster if nothing thinned out the numbers

all wildlife on earth is a balance between predator and prey.

>>139532868
Why draw the line at animals?
All life is precious. Stop eating plants if you really care.

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>>139532868
>Adolf Hitler
vegans are nazis

>>139535721
Animal farming is inefficient and unnecessary, unlike crop farming.

>>139535552
They glorify dogs first and then that irrational love for animals starts expanding and extending over other animal species.

>>139532868
>Why aren't you vegan?
Because i like having everything in my diet which is the most healthy lifestyle to have.
But oh, i want some gray malnourished skeleton to tell me what's better for me, who dies of the flu.

Oh, and CHICKEN NUGGETS TASTE GREAT.
I actually don't care if they cried and if the lifestock begged for its life.
I want chicken nuggets and if they cried, i don't even need to salt them. bitch.

>>139535276

Have you spent any time around chickens? If so, it wouldn't bother you. They died as quickly and cleanly as a chicken can aspire to.

There's plenty of things to dislike about factory farming (the meat it produces is TERRIBLE) but this isn't one of them. Just stupid melodrama bullshit.

>>139535652
>i bet the cow doesn't give a single fuck if she dies
When you do things to the cow that cause it pain it behaves as if to preserve itself.
Don't base your beliefs on falsities. Base them on concretes.

>>139535721
Don't be preposterous, you facetious burger.

>>139532868
being omnivore means that you are less in need of vitamin supplements. you'd still need them regardless but that's not the point. you need them more if you're vegetarian and even more so if you're vegan.

like, heck, even nutritional experts consume certain types of meat. then if you really wanna go down the rabbit hole you should find out which diet is best for you based on your blood type and what food you should avoid based on intolerances and what you should eat more and all that.

>>139532868
>Do you have the empathy of a subhuman

So, how about all those poor animals that get killed and driven away from their habitat to make more corn or soy or whatever field for you to stuff your gut to?

Or they don't matter because you can't make cute pictures about them?

Get out from your highhorse, fucking hypocritical, virtue-signaling piece of useless shit. Meat eaters, actually, are more humane, since they create the meat they eat, unlike vegans, who take over the land, fuck ecosystem in it in order to have more soy sauce or whatever.

>>139535261
What perfectly moral logic.
I should kill you for not being a Maoist.
What perfectly moral logic.

The ONLY valid argument people can make for not being vegan is that meat tastes better.

Personally I've found more vegan foods that taste waaay better than any animal products.

It's literally the healthiest diet possible to humans, why the fuck aren't you vegan?

>>139536485
God commands you to not use violence against other people, so you'd be committing an immoral act AKA sinning by killing me.
Go ahead. Your judgement is yours - not mine.

>>139532868
>reddit formatting

I think the meat industry is needed, but it's not worth justifing ethically. I'm not going to go vegan because of it, but "who cares brah they're just animals brah" is a faggot opinion.

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>>139533381
>suffer (...) painful
These are insects, they have no nervous system, they don't feel pain.

>>139536016
>implies all land is arable
Look faggot, animal production is important. Mega animal farms are kind of stupid but there's a lot of land out there you cant grow crops on. That land is perfect for cows/goats etc. It's not a fucking trade off like you think it is.

>>139536193
In the wild the chicken gets to fulfil its evolutionary purpose, in a chicken farm it gets to be pecked to death.

Ancap libertarian fascist vegan kratocracies are the future

Meateaters should be rounded up and placed in slaugherhouses like these

https://youtu.be/KnJxiz_jFBk

>>139536213

i'm not talking about hurting it, but a quick painless death.

ofcourse it will react when you poke it's nerve endings

i acknowledge an animal went back to god so i could continue to live and feel temporary comfort.

life feeds on life.

>>139532868
>Why aren't you vegan /pol/?
Because I'm not a completely AIDS-ridden faggot.

>>139532868
>Why aren't you vegan /pol/?
Because I am not a self righteous poofter trying to convert people to my wacky food religion.

>>139536118
I would like to eat American hot dog with relish in yankee stadium one time, then watch New York burn from minimum safe distance.

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>>139532868
i like to eat things only if they suffer first. It just tastes better.

>>139536561
> healthiest diet

> vegan

>>139537041
There's nothing wrong with this sentiment, so long as you mean NYC and not NY

>>139534422
>do you have a single fact to back that up?
he posts from the toilet

>>139537026
Why can't you just do it because it's the healthiest diet possible? It's like advocating for exercise and you're trying to dis it.

>>139536485
In addition, I point out how our conclusion COULD have been in agreement.
I like to eat meat, and persuaded by arguments in favor of this position.

YOU on the other hand would have us persue a devisive, metaphysical based, faith-contingent lack of agreement.

"your Invisible sky man says you have the right to eat pork? WTF, suddenly I don't want to sell you my Pig. Get off my organic produce farm, psycho we're pagans here"

>>139535261
To be fair, we feel empathy with animals because doing *unnecessary* harm to them is wrong. Or is it not a depiction of your hatred or indifference towards his creation, its beauty and goodness to f.e. burn 1000 puppies alive? When you slaughter an animal you should do it rightly, and the sadness you feel while doing it because you are destroying a living being should transform into thankfullness while eating it. The amount of ungrateful consumption of today is... Sinful. Gluttony.

>>139532868
Respect the animals but kill the kikes, they are inferior to any dog or even apes

>>139535527
Literally zero evidence for any metabolic or chemical causation of animal fats increasing our brain size.

>>139532868
shut up faggot, (((veganism))) is just another way to weaken us

>>139537137
Wanna maybe say why that's wrong?

>>139536859
Why do you think there's any moral distinction between something dying in x time versus something dying in x+y time? People hunt deer with bows, and even with a double lung shot it can take minutes for them to die. Should you feel bad for the deer? No.

I used to be vegan until a month ago.
https://youtu.be/dvRbVQfzGVk

>>139537026
You're a morally inferior subhuman,

>>139532868
Morality is utterly unrelated to eating animals. Animals are not moral agents and thus applying morality to this is absurd.

>>139532868
How many vegans have cared enough about their own health to ask a competent doctor about their choice? Or a PhD in biology? I dare any vegan who reads this to do that. Go on. The ethics argument at least holds some weight but saying we are not supposed to eat meat, and traditionally haven't, is just idiocy.

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>>139537140
Just to be sure.

>>139537281
t. egg council kike

Jews have co-opted veganism to be filled with numales and liberals to turn us away from the Creator's diet

>>139537140
Thank you.

>>139534868
yeah nah we've only been eating meat for millions of years, cant effectively digest it AT ALL

>>139532868
Life feeds on life.
Stop being a pussy little bitch, subhuman.

>>139532868
Because if chickens weren't consumed, they wouldn't even live in the first place.

>>139536445
>Meat eaters, actually, are more humane
fuck off with the cringeworthy inhalation simulation commas
>since they create the meat they eat
citation needed

Meat insustry requires far more land and deforestation to feed and raise livestock than soy farming does. Not to say it isn't bad that people are deforesting to profit off soy growing, but meat is objectively more inefficient and worse for the environment and ecosystem at every stage.

>>139537227
>Why can't you just do it because it's the healthiest diet possible?
Prove it.
>It's like advocating for exercise and you're trying to dis it.
I am not trying to "dis", I am "dis"ing it.
Fuck your retarded religion.

>>139537271
All harm is "unnecessary". All of it.
I hold a similar view to Kant on animals, which is that none of our activities in their regard carry moral import, but that it can be revealing of a sinister nature or a bad will if one seeks out the suffering of other living things.
Jesus sort out your philosophy.

>>139536698
Are you not keeping up?
I don't have to be insulting here.
I was using YOUR line of reasoning;

"Dogmatic reasoning justifys my actions" is your stance as much as the strawman Maoist that wants to kill you for not being a Maoist.

I know you theists have difficulty with Hypotheticals, but if you think _I'm_ a Maoist, you WERENT KEEPING UP.

The point you appear to be missing is I have difficulty telling your position and the maoist that wants to kill people apart, because both are only justified by their personal preferences,

as neither Mao, nor god, are currently giving autographs and answering questions.

>>139537408
So you don't think animals have a subjective conscious experience like you and I?

Have you not seen mother cows cry as their child gets taken away and go mental about it until it gets electrocuted and poked at with pikes?

Not seen how they scream in pain as they're smacked with blunt objects?

>>139537336
Deer are an invasive species in Australia, it is morally justified to kill invasive species that will threaten the local fauna.

>>139537586
>calls others subhuman
>has a diet of soy

>>139532868
>Implying animals have rights
>Blatant appeal to authority

Fuck off skelly. Bacon it's awesome

>>139532868
Enjoy your colon cancer you pleb, i'll be over here fighting my food to the death like a man

>>139532868
Huge shit eating faggot is what you are

>>139537408
Babies aren't moral agents either, therefore we can kill and eat babies

>>139532868
not making every effort to feed yourself to the best of your ability to pay dividends on the price paid for your freedom by your forefathers is LITERALLY SLAUGHTERING HUMANS
I eat animals because:
they taste good
they are fucking assholes
they are dicks
they are stupid
fuck them
they'd kill / eat me if they could
fuck you nigger

>>139537704
Where is the dogma? Do you know what dogma MEANS?

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>>139532868
>inferior species breath
>we must give up the habit of breathing to show our superiority over other species
>t. shitty woman philosopher

hurr

>>139537382
If you can prove morality is objective I will be happy to agree.

>>139537706
Reaction to stimulus is not the same thing as moral agency.

>>139537587
>I am not trying to "dis", I am "dis"ing it.

Yea, it was in context with the exercise analogy - you're not dissing that. Calm down faam.

And mkay, I'll look up some reasons why a vegan diet is healthier than consuming animal products.

>>139537770
Nowhere did I say I have a diet of soy. You're stupid.

>>139537912
So you don't believe that they have a subjective consciousness like you and I do?

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>>139535412
Why not have love and empathy for all life?

>>139535527
It's no longer necessary to develop the brain, so what's the modern justification for eating meat?

>>139535721
Agreed, Impeachment of Man has a chapter on plant rights. Hopefully synthetic foods will become widespread soon. Until then veganism minimizes the loss of plant life, so it's still the moral choice.

>>139537279
mexibro is correct
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>>139537567
So it's better for these male chicks who are just born to exist for a brief period of time and then get ground up? I'm sure they enjoyed their day of being caged, really worthwhile life there.

>>139537808
never implied animals have rights, only that they deserve empathy as sentient beings

>>139532868
My life is more important, and I need the nutrients.

>>139537756
"Invasive species" is an arbitrary classification you just used to justify something you wanted to do.
I could call you a demon and justify my burning you at the stake based on the arbitrary classification that you are a demon and that it is justified to burn demons at the stake.

>>139537813
Enjoy grappling with prepacked walmart chickens you fat bitch

>>139538011
>subjective consciousness
That's just a phrase you made up without any real meaning.

>>139532868
Stop watching disney.

>>139538032
Because life isn't equal.

>>139538132
You should at least try Googling it before looking like a mongo, mate.

>>139538032
Chickens can't survive in the wild on their own, so the choice is we either keep on letting them live to benefit us or we let them die out on their own. If we're playing the moral game, then isn't mass extinction pretty high on the bad morals code?

>>139532868
If veganism was adopted by everyone the population would fly so out of control due to the lack of diseases and illnesses caused by processed food and people living longer that it would actually have a negative effect on the planet in the long run, resulting in more habitat loss due to housing being built for the larger population, and land that would otherwise be used for dairy and meat farms which bolster a hugely beneficial population of pollinating flying insects like bluebottles due to the presence of waste which serves as a feeding hotspot for other small animals like voles, shrews, spiders and wasps due to the insects it attracts. Assuming meat eating was abolished entirely, this land would be be converted into pesticide ridden crop fields of lettuce and whatever the fuck else vegans eat, literally of no benefit to the environment as countless insect species would start dwindle due to excessive usage of neonicotinoids being used all across the world. There is only a finite amount of space we humans can occupy on the planet, so shitty food that keeps the population unhealthy and dying young is a necessary evil to make sure we don't fuck up the Earth further. in our current state we already occupy 90% of land on Earth, 10% by humans themselves and the other 80% by farms, roads, train tracks, highways, industrial land etcetera. You literally cannot refute this. It makes me sick how little vegans and hippie faggots actually care about their planet they jizz so much over

>>139537336

every respectable hunter will still try to kill it the fastest way possible.. if a double long shot is what it takes then so be it

they don't use bows and arrows in slaughter houses tho..

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>>139532868
> 2 posts by this ID
Meh.

> Cats?
No.

> Dogs?
No.

> Bovine?
As a personal preference, no - bovine estrogen is too similar to human estrogen. As of late, for me, eating beef causes symptoms similar to drinking water from a heated plastic bottle.

> Fish?
Maybe, depends on Hg content.

> Avians specifically bred for food?
Yes.

Birds and fish are nearly mindless. Moreover, they do not produce hormones analogous to those in the human body. Ergo, they are generally safe to eat (cooked!).

Also, I don't feel empathy for animals not in the form of a fuzzy homunculus.

>>139537870
Most animals consumed by humans are herbivores.

If anything you should eat cats and dogs, since they would actually eat you if they could overpower you

>>139537904
Life is a subjective experience, people who are truly individual make moral choices.

>>139538213
I did, you faggot, and when the top results are a bunch of fucking nothing I know that it is a phrase that means nothing.

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>>139532868
the reason vegans are dumb is that they don't eat meat as that is how we have our current thought patterns today and if we stop eating meat we lose those vitamins and devolve into degenerates like yourself just posting gore and using morality like a fucking tard.

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God gave man dominion over the entire Earth.

>>139532868
>Eating animals is moral
Only faggots say this. It's amoral not immoral, get it right.
>Empathy of a subhuman
Please tell me more about the thousands of trees and bacteria you killed by taking a shower and using an electrical device to post here. If you really gave a shit you would be figuring out a way to create synthetic and nutritious food that actually tastes good you massive fucking hypocrite.

>>139538401
what is moral and immoral if life is subjective?

>>139538238
Double lung shots are the standard.
But it's way more about convenience for the hunter than it is about "making the deer hurt less" as you end its life. You killing it quicker doesn't change the fact that you're killing it. You're not more merciful. You're not a better person. Stop making up these stupid post-facto rationalizations and accept that we kill animals because we benefit from doing so and that there's nothing immoral about it; animals aren't moral agents or moral objects.

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>>139538406
Lmao, it even has its own wiki entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_consciousness

You're basing your entire argument on the premise that something you don't even know about doesn't exist.

>>139538227
The only person that you convinced with that crap his you.

>>139538401
Annnnnnnd you lose.
Take your literally fruity religion and shove it up your ass.

Because I'm not a faggot

>>139538106
Kek ever hear of hunting bitch? Go eat your grass clippings and learn the difference between a leaf and a burger

>>139538412
>pic unrelated

But why are you wearing such a heavy fucking helmet with no body armour

>>139536777

I agree that factory farming should be replaced by 100% wild hunted meat. Whites and Japanese are already curtailing their population size to one that will make this possible, but clearly we'll need to limit third-world population growth.

Also it's well known and documented by palaeontologists that eating cooked meat is what enabled us to gain such a high EQ and literally become the most intelligent animals to ever exist in the first place, the higher calories from cooked food is a direct contributing factor to our enormous brain size as humans. This is the same reason why despite being twice our weight and size, proportionately gorillas have far smaller brains than we do and are dumb as bricks compared to us. And guess what they eat? fucking leaves, literally all day

we don't need any more limp wrist faggots for men raising our kids, if you're not hnting hunting deer/elk or producing your own veggies to achieve the gift of a healthy mind complemented by lean muscle then you're probably a soy obsessed gook/((science project))) anyways

>>139538613
>wikipedia article is barely a paragraph

It's fucking nothing.

Anyway, you keep bring this shit up like it is relevant to my argument at all, when it is not. Animals are not moral agents. Applying morality to them is retarded, just like it would be retarded to apply morality to a rock or a turd.

Don't kid yourselves veganfaggots. If given the chance cows and chickens would eat you and everyone you care about.

>>139532868
It's almost as if there are many people that have issues with industrial farming practices.

If the whole vegan thing transitioned into respecting the animals that we eat then I might be into that

>>139532868
Do you really believe empathy is na Aryan trait? Being merciful is; not being empathetic. Empathy is someone's weakest link.

>>139538224

Most vegans would say "no". Because they're leftist and leftism is inherently a death cult. The defining feature of leftism is the pursuit of equality, and nowhere is man and every other animal more equal than in the grave.

>>139538525
they're acting like fish feel pain even though they lack the cognitive ability and that plants can't feel pain even though they have something close to a nervous-system in their stocks/trunks/etc

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>>139532868
>thinking anyone on /pol/ gives a shit about your vegan faggotry

>>139532868

This makes me want to eat things that suffer.

>>139538555
Moral: Choices That Are Made With Love.
Immoral: choices that are made with fear.

>>139537460
No.

>>139532868
China

>>139538506
Hear hear.

>>139539024
Love and fear are subjective experiences you utter mong.
People can make a choice out of love that is utterly the wrong choice.

>>139538637
if you think fluffy cute chickens and cows are more important than the environment as a whole, then neck yourself. If humans boast a healthier population then less of us die, our population grows, we take up more land, we destroy more habitats to make space for housing for the now huge population, we cause more extinctions. Please explain why this wouldn't happen. Don't be a cuck

>>139539024
I love eating animals, therefore it is moral to eat animals.

Vegans BTFO.

>>139538794
I mean, you thought I made up that phrase. I'm demonstrating that I have an intention in the meaning when I use it. Didn't just pull it out my ass.

And naw, it's very relevant. Just because they don't make a difference in actions based on what we have developed as morality (which is something taught actually, not even principles we're born with - see irrational violence), doesn't make it alright to properly fuck up another being with a subjective view of reality.

I don't get why so many people don't see that.

>>139538712
because I'm a sniper and just need to worry about head shots

I am an animal.
A very advanced animal.
With formal language and speech.
I like many of my kind, was born from adaptation and convenience.
Animals eat animals.
Thus, I will consume other animals.
This is the natural order, and feelings mean nothing in the face of it.

>>139539024
>it's immoral to run out of the way of an out-of-control truck
Great philosophy bro. You'll go down in history.

>>139538818
Actually, they'd just stop existing because they would not reproduce enough to continue living beyond maybe two generations. They were bred specifically to be eaten.
Technically speaking vegans advocate genocide.

SHILL THREAD FOOD IS NOT POLITICAL

>>139539241
>A very advanced animal.

Can't be that advanced if you can't see the disadvantages in continuing to eat other animals lmao

>>139539209
Animals are not moral agents. It doesn't mean anything to kill or eat them. Prove this statement wrong or at least fucking argue against it, stop bringing up irrelevant shit.

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>>139538179
Life isn't equal, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't minimize suffering.

>>139538224
Existing without enslavement >>> non-existence >>> Existing as a slave
Chickens could live on nature preserves, they don't have to live for us or die out.

>>139538227
There are ideologies that want state control over reproduction to prevent the problem you just laid out from occurring you know.

>>139538506
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>>139538525
It's about minimizing suffering as much as possible senpai, I'm doing as much as I can, I'm not a scientist.

>>139539241
refer to the first Savitri Devi quote

I like the taste of meat, it also stops me from getting the soy-life antifa numale body.

>>139539438
Dude, I've went in and out of your "moral agents" stuff.

I don't think you're properly reading and understanding what it is I'm saying here. Honestly didn't even expect you to.

>>139536749
How does a noninsect being begin to speak on how insects perceive noxious stimuli? Our nervous system is just an elaborate array of molecular signaling made to respond to its environment. It's fully possibly such creatures experience distress in a manor homologous to how mammals perceive pain.

I say this as a omnivore.

>>139538224
They wouldn't go extinct, people would still keep them as pets. Don't pretend that you're doing some moral duty by abusing animals, that's like a trafficker breeding people as slaves then claiming he is good because they wouldn't have existed without him breeding them

>>139537926
>Turns out it isn't

>>139539349
who wouldn't want to be dumbed down by not consuming animal products and be forced to eat 30+ vitamins a day for the exact same vitamins in meat to even continue living as that's where we get are3 blood iron.

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>>139532868
>So, that's how McNuggets are made

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>>139532868
Good God, can you imagine being the faggot on the group of friends who asks for a "pizza with no cheese"? I'm not going to be that guy, thanks.

I'd eat human if it were legal. What makes me stop at mindless animals?

>>139539154
This is about eating animals?

>>139539479
>Minimizing suffering
>Not a scientist
>Probably not even in stem
>Uses electircity
>Probably drives
>Uses more water then he strictly needs
>Probably purchases from markets
Gee you sure are trying aren't you?

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>>139532868
plants feel pain too, just because they dont move or interact with you doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with them you ignorant fuck

>>139539479
Did I say that I believed that I or any human animal was the "superior" animal.
I said advanced.
Not better.
Not worse.
We followed a unique evolutionary path.
This does not stop other animals desiring to consume or kill me.
This does not stop me from wanting to kill and consume other animals.

>>139539479
There's no moral factor to suffering.
If a person stubs their toe on a stairwell, there's no moral dimension to their pain.
If a dog bites a person, there is no moral dimension to person's pain.
If a human shoots a chicken, there is no moral dimension to the chicken's pain.
Jesus Christ.

>>139539663
I don't know about you but that video made them more delicious

>>139533023
because most trendy vegans eat shit like soy and other things that are used to mimic dairy and meat. You have to know what the fuck youre eating, it's like stats.

Bonus: our poo can make great fertilizer

>>139539479
>that pic
>Uses our close relative and calls it a frugivore
>Ignores the fact they will literally cannibalize each other

Man, vegans are super retarded.

>>139539163
You're being childish

I have no empathy for anyone.

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>>139532868
Do you feel shame when you step on an ant?

>>139539736
L. Ron was right

>>139539479
right? doesn't mean those ideologies will materialise in actual policy. If corporatism allowed humans to occupy literally 90% of land on Earth, then why would they turn their nose up at taking up the other 10% as well? Unless every nation elected hippie fags like you with strict environmental policy, I highly doubt anyone would do anything about it

>>139538758
>well documented by paleontologists that eating cooked meat gave us our brains

Completely unsubstantiated fake news. There is no metabolic or chemical explanation or proof of this. Just poor correlation

>>139539479
>refer to the quote
>refer to the quote
>refer to the quote
You don't have an argument, do you?

>>139539205
It's obvious you're a teenager

Jesus. The virtue signaling just never ends with you hypocrites.

>>139534422
Plants are sentient. Please just stop eating.

>>139532868
Soy vey

>>139539568
You're not even addressing the point. Link to where you refuted my argument.

>>139539479
>that pic

Holy fuck you're retarded. You're aware even vegan sites know that pic is fake right?

>>139534868
>Been eating a diet with lots of meat in it for a million years
>stomach can't properly digest it

>>139538506
>Sweat glands
>Bi-pedal motion
The entire reason we have these are for hunting animals to exhaustion (persistence hunt).

>>139539629
Can you site something that shows consuming a vegan diet makes you less intelligent?

Also, I manage to get way more than I need on a vegan diet and I'm currently building a lot of muscle. I don't find any issue in getting what my body and brain needs faam.

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>>139533116
Okay dude. I'll see you on the operating table, ripping out your gallbladder. I do two a week. -surg tech

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>>139539773
>namefag
>tripfag
>anarchist
>retarded opinions in posts
Like clockwork. Every time.

>>139532868
we should be examining the work of Sylvester Graham, and following his advice, whatever solution is most moral, will likely be most successful as well

I couldnt eat 2000 caloriew of vegan food to save my life

>>139532868
>“One may regret living in a period when it is impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume. But there is one thing I can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian.” – Adolf Hitler

He never said that.

Hitler also wasn't a vegetarian.

>>139539256
the truck analogy is amusing.

>>139539479
>non-existence >>> Existing as a slave
It's not slavery, retard. In nature slavery means forcibly taking advantage of other species without giving anything in return, which is not the case between us and domesticated animals

>>139532868
This is actually a subject pol is wrong about and it makes sense given that vegans are overwhelmingly lefty. Still, it reduces suffering and creates a more sustainable future for our descendants, it's redpilled.

>>139540057
ur substantive response rly maeks the noggin joggin

>>139534868
Hey retard, are you aware is actually fiber what it can't be digested? It literally rots in your stomach. Look it up son

>>139532868
they look so adorable, then they look delicious.

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>>139539063
Yes.

>>139532868
NEO FUEDALISM
NEO PRIMITIVISM
HUNT TO SURVIVE
ITS THE ONLY WAAAAAAAAAY

>>139539962
"Just because they don't make a difference in actions based on what we have developed as morality (which is something taught actually, not even principles we're born with - see irrational violence), doesn't make it alright to properly fuck up another being with a subjective view of reality."

A moral agent is a being that can make the decision based on whether it is right or wrong. How can you even assume that animals don't have this when they display incredibly similar behavior to humans?

Also, why does something else have to have the ability to perceive morality when we already understand that we're causing immense fear in another subjective consciousness?

I don't think your moral agent argument has any legs to rest on at all to be honest but I don't think anything I can give my opinion on will change your mind.

>>139539998
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/you-illuminated/201102/does-vegetarianism-make-you-dumber

http://www.livestrong.com/article/554564-effects-of-a-vegan-diet-on-the-brain/

here you go

>>139540214
yeah well i'm not autistic enough to try and build reputation on an anonymous message board

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>>139539479
>rudimentary, blunt canines for herbivores
>the fucking picture doesn't even show incisors but the human one does
It's like you're trying to tell me 2 + 2 = 5 while showing me a basic mathematics textbook.

>>139534422
>>I like meat. Your feelings do not matter
>Translation: My pleasure is all that matters to me. The feelings of other sentient beings do not matter.

Exactly, their feelings don't matter only my enjoyment. I would eat other humans if it was healthy.

>>139538758
That was because of its high kcal content compared with plants. Completely redundant now considering we have an abundnce of food, so much that half the US population is overweight.

>>139539895
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/45/18571.full
read up if you don't believe me, definitely not fake news.

>>139540408
You're also not articulate enough to make an argument. Enjoy your life bro!

Attach all the rules and morals you want to humanity - we were, are, and always will be animals. Cruel, instinctive, immoral, and greedy.
We spout a lot of shit about morals - start religions to enforce them, create laws to enforce them, but humanity remains the same - Drunk, rapey, evil, murderous, weak and easily manipulated.

>>139540363
>subjective consciousness

There you go with that bullshit again. Fuck it, I'm done here. I got some delicious animals that need eating anyway.

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>>139532868
I could
-eat meat
-eat a bunch of weird chemicals meant to taste like meat because I want to save some animals that would die from being torn apart by predators or raped to death by their own species if they were not going in my mouth.

Sticking with meat.

>>139540363
>incredibly similar behavior to humans?

Plants also have incredibly similar behavior to humans. Heck some of them even eat "meat". What metric are you using to give animal life equivalency to humans?

>inb4 sentience

You can't measure sentience.

>>139540259
It goes through your body and/or absorbed by colonic bacteria. It doesn't "rot" in your body

>>139540658
Plants are the biggest meat eaters on the planet.

>>139540658
they all technically eat meat as that's what fertilizes them.

>>139540433
It was more of a response to the notion that we aren't supposed to eat meat because it's not in our nature, the whole 'muh teeths' argument, when really it's absolutely in our nature and on top of that, it's how we gained the ingenuity to feed so many people so stupidly well on the scale that we do. I'm well aware Americans are fat as hell

>>139540556
Lmao, you managed to throw away an entire argument with on phrase that upsets you.

Fucking beautiful display of ignorance there mate. Might frame it.

>>139539664
Pizza restaurants in the developed world serve vegan cheese and it tastes pretty good.

>>139540741
Excuse me but being "absorbed" by bacteria is actually the definition of rotting away, numbnuts.

>>139540809
>Having nigger level biology knowledge

>>139532868
I am so close to being vegan. I just like eating foods that make me feel good, and rarely if ever does meat bring that feeling. I will have to keep cooking meat though as I am the primary cook in my family and I don't expect the other members to go along with my diet. I am going to the store tomorrow and stocking up on fruit. Going to eat raw for one week and see how I feel.

>>139540492
>Namefag
>Tripfag
>Antifag
>Newfag
Weeewwwwww lad

>>139532868
that's why I eat kosher

>>139540549
Except vegans!

Vegan since new years. Feels great. almost all the cells in my body are replaced with the new ones. within the first week i noticed a difference in aletness and I was more well rested than normal. i've passively lost 20 lb over this course, and it's the smallest ive ever been. Eating out is kinda annoying because your only option 80% of the time is salad. But my boyfriend loves eating me out; says it taste like nectar. Still happy with it, and plan on continuing to cut out garbage thats bad for you. Remeber, just because it's VEGAN does not mean that its HEALTHY. But what would i know, I just cut people open for a living.

>>139534868
>Is an omnivore
>Can't properly digest meat
You downy faggot.

>>139540439
Unironically literally nothing. Cooking foods in general is the thing you're looking for. Meat was a food. There is no evidence it is the reason or the food that caused it. Brains that run on glucose would actually point more towards starchy foods being cooked and consumed en masse

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>>139532868
Eating animals is a necessity. Not everyone is wealthy and informed enough to safely balance nutrients they need from other foods.

"If it is evil to kill fish, then UPB says that anyone or anything that kills the fish is evil. This would include
not just fishermen, but sharks as well – since if killing fish is evil, we have expanded our definition of
ethical “actors” to include non-human life.
It is clear that sharks do not have the capacity to refrain from killing fish, since they are basically eating
machines with fins.
Thus we end up with the logical problem of “inevitable evil.” If it is evil to kill fish, but sharks cannot
avoid killing fish, then sharks are “inevitably evil.” However, as we have discussed above, where there is
no choice – where avoidability is impossible – there can be no morality. Thus the proposition “it is evil to
kill fish” attempts to define a universal morality that includes non-moral situations, which cannot stand
logically." - Stefan Molyneux(UPB)

You can't apply ethics to animals.

>>139533116
unless you live off mcdonalds it's actually pretty easy, it's just a matter of making different choices at the grocery shop

>>139540966
Don't eat too much fruit, it's high in sugar/carbohydrates and can make you fat. Some is good though.

Make sure you pick up a shit load of veggies and some beans though.

But really being vegan is for cucks :/

So efficient. I love it!

>>139540613
>or raped to death by their own species

but we dont eat niggers tho

>>139540658
Are vegans pro-life or pro-choice?

>>139532868
What are they making, dog food? Or Chicken nuggets? wtf?

I gave up eating everything but chicken and fish last year. Big plant protein person. Health is much better...but maybe I am ditching chicken too now.

>>139540658
>What metric are you using to give animal life equivalency to humans?

If you can observe if any damage is being caused, such as crying, painful expressions, expressions of fear, y'know basic emotion that conveys what something or someone is feeling, then I'd say it's not right to continue to inflict such feelings.

This tends to only happen with beings that have a central nervous system, so it really just applies to them. A plant is gonna regrow its tomatoes.

>>139540841
The whole "muh teeths" thing is silly when hunting other animals is the reason humans evolved to walk on 2 legs

>>139532868
This thread is making me hungry. I think I might go have some steak from last night.

>>139540908
Uhhh no sweetie

>>139540962
>not knowing how the circle of life works

>>139532868
mhhh that got me craving for some chicken nuggets.

>>139541194
Well, i'm a spiritual vegan so pro-choice.

>>139541132
Oh yeah i forgot rice and beans was so fucking expensive

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>>139540981
>antifa

>>139540009
Anti vegan memes remind me of anti-white memes spread by nigs on twitter. Both groups feel irrational hatred and anger

>>139540312
hey uh maybe just below the great lakes thanks

>>139541053
>But my boyfriend
>But what would i know, I just cut people open for a living

Bait

>>139540866
It's not even an argument when my "opponent" doesn't address the point and keeps bringing up made up bullshit to the debate. For what it's worth, you still have YET to actually argue the point I'm trying to make without shoehorning in your horseshit.

>>139541159
>fruit makes you fat

Boy you really love that cut up kike cock don't you?

Do you know how fiber works you turbokike?

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>meat moral
Who the fuck ever said that?
It taste good
It got abundant protein and other stuff my body needs.
...
Speaking about morality and eating:
Hippy dippy baby boomers who gave us vegetarianism eat their own young through Social Security and Medicare.

>>139536845
That's actually pretty humane and looks quick and painless so not sure what you are whining about?

>>139541210
We'll maybe plants feel "pain" in a totally different spectrum that we humans can understand. "Pain" is a very subjective term and is very hard to define, some plants have been show to react to them being cut. And not all plants regrow, for example you can't regrow a carrot, you just eat it.

>>139541210
did you get around to taking a look at my citations yet? >>139540398

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>>139541132

The only thing you might need are b12 supplements every now and then, even then most of the alternative milks have it anyways. It's not really expensive if you're not buying stupid fake meat products, rice and beans are dirt cheap and you'll save on medical bills

>>139541407
I danced all around your point in that reply mate.

Fuck me bud, get a filter for the fluoride in your tap.

>>139541300
The German diet is shocking, all those dirty kebabs.

>>139541274
>What are fungi and bacteria

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>>139536845
>Meateaters should be rounded up and placed in slaugherhouses like these

Is the lion coming too or do you just hate it only when humans eat other animals?

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You will have to get iberian ham from my COLD DEAD HANDS, you hippy fuck

>>139541524
Most people would starve if they were accountable for the meat they ate. How many people do you know that would gut a cow for a burger? not many.....most people do not even knwo how to hunt.

>>139533023
>>139534868
"more fiber" isn't necessarily a good thing. We're told to eat more fiber because your average person with a "western diet" doesn't eat enough fiber.

However, that doesn't mean there isn't a problem with eating TOO MUCH FIBER. people that end up eating a fuckton of fiber end up having the exact opposite problem, and end up shitting themselves with tons of loose stool.

Also, vegan arguments are retarded. I don't give a fuck about the life of a chicken. Deal with it.

>>139541616
>if someone disagrees with my they must be a lunatic

I see the type of person I'm arguing with now. Despite repeated attempts to get you to actually address the point you refuse and then start in with insults. I should have seen this coming a mile away. Now I just feel silly wasting my time with you.

>>139533023
wtf are you on about, I've been vegan half my lifetime and I eat mostly processed supermarket food and vegetables yet I take a dumb 5 times a week might need to back up your argument with some facts.

>>139541562
I did.

One said that creatine is better than no creatine. That's not comparing 2 diets and saying which makes you smarter, it's just saying that this one thing in one diet is better than not having it. It doesn't take into account the FULL diets on both sides.

The other article just says it's a bit harder to get the same shit your body needs.

Did you actually read them or just pull up the first links you found when you Googled something?

>>139541661
>what are worms and maggots? for 1000 bill.

>>139541639
I agree, people unironically eat kebab here.

>>139541881
The sad thing is that you're 100% serious lol

>>139532868
nigga gotta eat senpai

>>139541899
I bet you're not overweight...

>>139541612
Another benefit is not getting foodpoisoning which is overwhelmingly from meat and dairy. For some strange reason humans are vulnerable to bacteria and viruses on meat so require elaborate refridgeration, seasoning, and cooking routines to not get sick, unlike every other ominivore

>>139541899
Dude, I addressed it in that post, can you maybe reply to the words I said and why you don't think it's a valid response to your "moral agent" argument?

>>139541701

Humans have the ability and willpower to choose not to be an animal, why be something less evolved and driven by base instinct?

>>139541706
It's Charlton Heston.

>>139539479
>Chimps are frugivores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1WBs74W4ik

>>139541701
>I lack moral agency and act on pure instinct like a lion

Says a lot about you

>>139541991
Eat a 2 lb bag of spinach and see what happens, senpai. You end up having strewn half-digested leaves leaking from your asshole.

>>139541918
I read them and it's not impossible I will admit but it is harder and just one fuck up in your diet could lead to aneurysms of the brain, your nails turning yellow and then falling out and/or hair loss

>>139532868
>"If man really wishes to be a "superior species," he has to give up the habit of acting as the "inferior" ones do." - Savitri Devi
Maybe you should stop breathing

>>139532868
Shiva was a hunter

>>139542038
Because it's totally fucking irrelevant. In no way does it relate to what I am trying to talk about, but you keep bringing it up. Holy fuck how is this so hard to understand?

>>139541815
This. If all these righteous vegan hipsters were ever put in a situation where they could only eat meat they would kill without thinking twice. Humans were always meant to hunt.

>>139542274
It's actually not even that harder bud

I started it a while back now and the stuff I eat contains even more of the stuff my brain and body needs from much healthier sources and honestly, I feel so much better - a lot more energy definitely.

>>139542196
Oh, so you agree that animals aren't moral agents?
So why do you think existences without moral agency are to be treated as moral objects?
Where do your morals come from, and why do they magically apply only to humans? You're probably some dipshit atheist.

I don't even think about the moral implications of a perfectly marbled, marinated, seared, and seasoned slab of rare hanger steak. I do not philosophize while I brine my pork chops. I've never been tortured by the thought of a suffering pheasant.
Sorry.

>>139538224
No fucking way is extinction worse than the life chickens and all live stock have now, If you want to bring out the 8 brilllion argument then you could say that livestock go through a holocaust on a daily bases, sure they get to live in sub par conditions for half their normal life waiting to get killed unnecessarily but what's the point in that?
Why not just let these last few generations die out then not produce any more, seems more fair in the long run.

>>139542258
That's because you eat everything out of a tin.

>>139542196
>Eating meat
>Pure instinct
The same can be said about eating any other thing

>>139541345
>>139541612
>>139542029
Enjoy deluding yourself with pseudoscience and presumptions.

>>139542065
Humans ARE animals. Choosing not to be one is the equivalent of choosing your gender or otherkin bullshit

>>139542374
I mean, that phrase that shan't be spoken was actually just a small part in the whole refutation of your argument but it really doesn't matter.

Sorry but I'm done here bud. GG.

>>139542196
.acting like we don't have instinct and never act on them ever.
we don't get hungry we don't avoid danger based on past experience and we definitely don't have a sex drive.

>>139542258
If you haven't had a lot fiber that'd more be an issue. There's legitimate issues with too much fiber that aren't shart in mart tier. Fiber can absorb nutrients. But if you're eating a well balanced diet and not just snorting metamuscil you will be fine. Same thing with phytates

>>139542521
>bag
>tin

delicious

>>139542547
You're right. Im in crippling debt because rice is so expensive

I eat meat dishes 2 times a week.
Otherwise i try to keep it raw vegan in the remaining time. I have more energy and mental clarity this way

Remember: chips is vegan
Alkohol is vegan
If you don't wanna do it for the enviroment, do it for your health

>>139542635
>balanced diet
Which is exactly what I'm saying.

>>139542601
Your "whole refutation" hinges on your irrelevant. made up bullshit. Nice fucking job.

>>139542424
what do you eat for blood iron and creatine?

>>139539988
Um no sweetie, we can walk upright so we can carry objects while moving, and we sweat to stay cool so we can survive in hot places, such as Africa or Australia.
If the only reason we sweat is to hunt then why do dogs only sweat from their paws? and have not evolved to be hairless like us?

>>139542735
I'm usually vegan too but only when I don't eat meat or other animal products :)

>>139542735
Why do vegans pretend that veganism is the only healthy way to live?

>do it for your health
I use other, less retarded diets for that.

>>139542768
Fair enough. And I know you mean balanced diet with meat. I just dont think turning into Angel Falls from your asshole from too much fiber is that likely of an issue

>>139532868
I dont care about morals. all animals are food.

>>139542567

Humans have free will, consciousness is a choice we make. It's easy to fool yourself into thinking "oh lol I'm an animal so I'm excused to be a shitbag", but it's still a choice that you've made and you're still accountable for what you choose to become. Jesus had an excellent quote in the gospel of Thomas about this, "Jesus said: Blessed is the lion which the man eats, and the lion will become man; and cursed is the man whom the lion eats, and the lion will become man."

>>139542735
Good on you based windmill, but I've never understood eating raw, I get you don't kill any nutrients by cooking but it tastes so much better.

>>139542484
Nature disagrees, nothing is worse than not passing on your genes, not even being personally gassed 6 gorillion times everyday by your owners

>>139532868

I'm a baconarian. I'm a vegan, but I do eat bacon.

>>139533023
>Vegans shit their guts out constantly.

with every fucking post they make

>>139542822
>not knowing why we even have the brains we do.
>not knowing without meat we have to take 30+ pills a day to regulate are vitamins like blood iron, creatine, carnosine, etc

>>139543119
I am vaguely amused by this?

>>139536749

Insects are just biologic machines. They are programmed to do what they do, but don't think or "feel" anything.

>>139532868

I'm vegetarian not vegan.

Fuck preparing all my own food to avoid the chance of eating something with eggs or dairy in it.

If anyone wants me to be vegan they will have to hire me a personal chef. I will do my part as a vegetarian otherwise.

>>139542923
I know. That would be the case if vegans and vegetarians mostly ate salads and kale like they pretend they do, but they mostly eat tons and tons of cookies, donuts, and other junk food.

>>139542065
>driven by base instinct
You're right, we should just stop eating. Wasteful practice anyway.
>>139542196
Says the person willing to kill because someone else has killed. Revenge is one of the most base instincts humanity has.

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>>139532868
Not vegan, but vegetarian, and there are many reasons to be.
The religious argument is that only Islam and Judean-based religions preach Man's dominance over all other forms of life. If you follow the Talmud, Quran or Old Testament, then why make the exception for this law while ignoring other vicious laws?
The ethical argument is that who are we to say that another creature's life belongs to us when we have alternatives that don't involve killing a sentient being?
The scientific argument is that if humans were intended to be omnivores, then we would have fangs like every other omnivore. Yes, we do have our canines, but they are too short to be considered weapons to kill with and comparatively duller than the teeth of other predators. We also lack natural tools with which to kill with; we don't have claws or talons or horns. We are biologically suited to be herbivores.
America is currently the meat-eatingest nation (excluding fish) and we are renowned for our poor health and obesity. That should clue some people in...

>>139542735
Veganism isnt sustainable nor is it good for the environment.
If you want to do something for the environment buy local goods.

It is true though that people eat too much meat, should be closer to what you're doing and not a daily meal.

>>139543416

I too can use ms paint to write any bull shits that I want

>>139543081
>quoting scripture you don't even follow
He also ate fish, you know.

>>139543589
>because animals can feel we shouldn't eat them

What kind of dumbass argument is this?

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>>139542196
>Calling for people who eat meat to be slaughtered.

Says even more about you, you misanthropic piece of shit.

>hurr durr lions eat meat

Stop comparing yourself to lions you cringey fucks. We eat meat because it tastes good, we kill animals because we can.
If other animals outpower us, they kill us as well and not because of territory or defense reasons
That's how the world is. If animals don't like it, they should learn how to speak and tell us. Until then, they're our prey.

>>139534868
>Our shits are cleaner than yours as the human digestion can't effectively digest meat

meat is nothing but fiber you fucking retard.

>>139543812
An ethical one; respect for life etc
Hence the preface
>the ethical argument

>>139544025
I have respect for life but I still eat animals. If you have respect for life, why do you eat plants?

>>139542822
You better not be taking the piss with me bub
>>139543081
Jesus could barely lift the cross with his shitty vegan gainz and then he gets btfo on by a roman meat eater

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>>139532868
Make me

>>139543602
I worked on a big meat factory once, and they throw tons of meats out every day so yes, if you have to eat meat, then buy it local.

Personally i've never heard of people that died because of veganism. Just because a vegan get cancer, it's not nessecary veganism that's to blame. 99% of b12 deficiencies are actually meat eaters

>>139543266
>I am vaguely amused by this?

No, really, look us up. I'm a vegan for health benefits. I don't eat bacon all the time, but have no compunction about diving in. I'm not some petite, boutique rare wood smoked, non-nitrate, free-trade spice, free-range pig eating faggot. I love wright's thick sliced bacon, especially wrapped around jalepeno's stuffed with low fat cheese.

Oh yeah, I eat dairy too. Not a lot, but once in a while.

>>139543885
This
We are apex predators, top of the food chain, and unless we want to be hunted down by other wildlife for 'territory' and 'food', we might as well bloody act like it!
Besides, that's the sick world we have been put into, the more twisted and psychopathic someone is, the higher chance he has for being successful, if someone even wants to live, he has to eat, and to eat, he has to KILL, plants and animals are both living organisms, and we take their carcass and we eat it, why?, to live another day. That's how it is, and as long as life exists, will be...

>>139543885
>Stop comparing yourself to lions you cringey fucks.

You're exactly right. Lions brutally rip their prey apart, often eating them while they're still alive. Humans kill the animals they consume with as little pain as possible. So why do you want humans killed but the lives of lions spared.

>>139544504
>99% of b12 deficiencies are actually meat eaters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rmBDHS3CCo

>>139536777
But the modern domestic chicken is the result of thousands of years of breeding by humans. If you were to release these chickens out into the wild, they wouldn't have any chance of survival whatsoever. The same goes for any other modern farm animal - they are the results of thousands of years of human breeding and domestication (and yes, also eating) and wouldn't have a prayer of surviving in the wild.

>>139544108
Plants are not proven to be sentient. At least, not in the way humans and animals are.
For me, I'm vegetarian because of the morality issue. Morality is the foundation upon which prosperous nations are built; modern western society is in decline and it's all down to the fact that morality is no longer as valued as it once was. People no longer care about righteousness or contributing to the whole. We live in a world of individualistic hedonism, and I feel that this also (indirectly) correlates to meat consumption.
After all, why should one care about other sentient beings if they are only truly concerned about themselves or their circle? One begins to see other creatures, whether animals or people, as little more than tools. A saw is for cutting things in half and a cow is for eating. It's a mindset that invalidates the other creature, and while yes, this is a mindset of predators in the wild, do we not claim to be more 'intelligent' than most, if not all animals?
If that is true, then why do we retain such a primal outlook when there are simpler and much less harmful alternatives? Should we not have evolved beyond that, or are we not so smart after all?

>>139536845
>saying people should be rounded up and killed based solely on dietary choices
Stay cucked, vegan.

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>>139532868
Humans evolved hunting and eating animals

Yes, meat was essential to human evolution. However a deer or boar would be eaten maybe once a week if that. Not for 3 or 4 meals a day.

We now live in a capitalist world of surplus, thanks to ((THEM)). I understand the argument for the natural cycle of the food chain involving humans killing animals. But the process necessary to now feed 7 Billion people is far from natural.

Animal rights aside, the environmental impacts from livestock are huge. Rainforest destruction to cultivate shitty chemical infused livestock feed, systems of herd containment, which restricts natural herd movement essential to the rejuvenation of land, excessive water usage and the ridiculous amount of methane release from livestock.

I know the edgy hivemind mentality is strong on this board, but climate change aside, surely as the civilised, superior races that you claim to associate with, you don't want to see rainforest destruction and desertification of beautiful land, including your own?

>If man really wishes to be a "superior species," he has to give up the havit of acting as the "inferior" ones do.

It's easy to make a meal around a peice of meat. It takes sophistication and actual flavour to actually create a dish. That said, if you aren't a piece of shit NEET who gets your mother to do your cooking, or you don't eat at Burger King every night then fulfilling and nutritious meals are quite easy.

The hypocrites on this board are hilarious. Claiming to be superior and the alpha white race, but can't even prepare their own food and eat like barbaric niggers.

Either way, assume you believe vegans and vegetarians are on a "high horse" for not eating meat. When in fact, they are the people possessing the very traits you so eagerly wish to associate with.

In terms of health, the availability of literally any foods ensures a complete nutrition profile for those who actually cook their foods.

>>139545302
Animals are not moral agents. Why do you apply morality to them? Do you apply morality to plants? To rocks? Seems like madness to me. What does it matter if they are sentient, if they can feel? They cannot make moral decisions, any moral decisions made about them are entirely one-sided. They are no different than inanimate objects in that regard.

So why the shouldn't I eat something just because it has the ability to feel?

>>139536749
>These are insects, they have no nervous system
>Frog education

>>139536698
If we are talking about the Bible, God does command violence. Killing is ok when morally justified, but murder (meaning killing with a malicious intent) is never ok.

>>139532868
I'll fucking kill shit and eat it. I'll go to the grocery store and buy dead animals and eat it. I'll fish and eat it. I'll hunt and eat it.
I'll even fucking eat your faggot ass if I got hungry enough, but since your such a FAGGOT OP, I would boil you until your lost dildo popped out of your ass and cook you well done and feed you to the dog. You ain't fit for human consumption.
>OP IS A FUCKING PUSSY
The bigger question is why do vegans always talk about being a vegan and always try to make others vegans? It is normal for us to eat meat, been doing it for 10s of thousands of years. What isn't normal is a fucking vegan. Go fuck yourself.

>>139546100
"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )

There's this thing called a "New Testament". Ever heard of it? It's what Christians are morally obligated to obey, and which - stunningly enough - supersedes any and all previous precedent for moral behavior wherein there's contradiction. Shocking. I know.