I feel like I have been watching too much right-wing material

>>139496027
Sargon of Akkad. In a sane society he'd be far-left.

>>139496027
Try FemFreq and see if you can last 60 seconds.

>>139496186
ok will report back

>>139496186
>Lasted 30sec on random parts of video.
Washing an eyeball with chlorox doesn't seem so bad anymore...

>>139496027

Look up Chapo Trap House to understand our enemies ranging from moderate Bernie supporters to extreme ANTIFAs:

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapo_Trap_House

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/

>>139496186
jesus fuck

>>139496027
Secular Talk. Mostly balanced on political issues. Social issues he leans left.

>>139496027
I listen to Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk, and Sane Progressive every once in awhile. They seem to be waking up a bit but they've yet to identify the real enemy.

>>139496027
Go meta and watch Jordan Peterson's videos on temperamental causes of political views, and continue to be awaken from there.

>>139496027
>left-wing
>decent arguments

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>>139496027

>far-left
>arguments

Red ice is awesome though

Sargon of Akkad, Atheism is Unstoppable are libs. Condescending ones but tolerable (to an extent).
On the Offensive and James Allsup are right wingers but not far right.
Rebel Media are neocon zionist scum.
1791L is a conservative Libertarian.
No Bullshit is ok, he's right wing though. Lauren Southern is slowly drifting right. Braving Ruin is far right. Black Pigeon speaks is good, right wing though. I guess you could watch Milo and Ben Shapiro vids if you're looking for civic nationalists and neocons. Paul Joseph Watson is another good civic cuck.

>>139497518
I felt like it was kind of cringy at first but then I realized that it was just me not being used to white people being treated as an identity group, like every single other race is. I feel like I'm coming out of a great brainwashing. It all makes so much sense. All the alt-right has to do is stop LARPing as Nazis and denying the Holocaust and they/we could redpill so many people. These retards are holding the movement back so hard you have no idea.

>>139497871
Yeah and it's only gotten worse the past few weeks.

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>>139496027

I feel the same way but there really aren't many good left-leaning YouTubers. I tried listening to TYT for awhile but they literally have 0 journalistic integrity and no intention of reporting accurately.

I get all my pinko scum news in writing now. NYT is in essence a propaganda outlet at this point but people still respect it for some reason, so I go there. The Atlantic, believe it or not, has some excellent, fantastic left-leaning journalists who still care about the veracity of their reporting. Vanity Fair hosts the occasional well done piece. Aside from that I haven't really found anything. Always looking for outlets that aren't peddling schoolyard propaganda if anyone has recommendations.

To be clear, the right also has issues with biased journalists, but there are enough people on the right that give a shit so you're not just left with "right-wing TYT" a la InfoWars.

>>139497003
Pretty much this although Dore can be pretty cringe sometimes. He gets points though because TYT never have him on their show anymore because he didn't buy into "muh Russia".

>>139497871

I used to feel the same cringe you're talking about when people here discussed the Jews. I heard a few convincing points after years of browsing here but Kevin MacDonald's "The Culture of Critique" really did me in. Just read the intro of it, it's online somewhere.

I'm still not a quasi-psychotic Aryan Brotherhood LARPer ranting about Jews like much of /pol/ seems to be, and I'm even milquetoast on the issue like a Jared Taylor, but Jewish influence in the West is nothing I deny anymore.

But you're right, the Nazi fetishism is holding back white identity movements. I know I definitely don't want to be associated with all the fat ass retards carrying Nazi flags at rallies, especially because that is virtually an implicit endorsement of genocide and no thanks (call me a moralfag, I know).

>>139497003

But Dore is an actual, bona fide, mouthbreathing retard and (((Kulinski))) is never going to see past his interests.

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>>139496027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHgWycM--zI

Watch this
based ANN vs stupid ANA
Ana Kasparian completely misrepresents Coulter and is generally nigger-tier how she arguments, but she is pretty "far left"

Well you do not have to worry, OP. Pretty soon right leaning youtube followings will disappear completely. You can go back to being a lefty hard atheist. Those are the kinds of trends our overlords definitely want to see continuing.

>>139496027
The Real News Network.

The whole MSM is other viewpoint.

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>>139496027
there are none

okay real talk, here's one.
...
...
...
I can't really think of any sorry.
I can think of some good /RadicalCentrists/ though. Ben Shapiro, Sargon, Dave Rubin etc.

>>139497868
AiU is infinitely worse than Sargoy, who I actually enjoy as he isnt a fucktard

>>139499372
It actually seems like the right has a larger presence on YouTube than the left. Shit, half of TYT's viewership are trolls.

>>139497871
Honestly this, identity politics is disgusting and you shouldnt roll in the mud with the pigs

>>139496027
fuck off /leftypol/ kike
your degenerate tranny shit sucks anyways
sage

>>139498857
Nobody seems too be talking about the whole "muh russia" thing anymore, it must have been at least a good few weeks since I heard anyone bring it up. Really gets my noggin joggin'.

Hi OP! There aren't good leftist youtubers in the sense you're thinking of, but if you're willing to read a blog, slatestarcodex is one of the best on the internet and it's written by a left libertarian (self-identified centrist) psychiatrist jew. it's not too political but you definitely get a different perspective from /pol/. Here's his manifesto, and one of my favorite political posts of his, to get you started.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/12/08/a-something-sort-of-like-left-libertarianism-ist-manifesto/
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/22/right-is-the-new-left/

>>139496027
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

>>139499240
If you've got a better group of explicitly leftist youtubers I can listen to I'd love to hear them. I used to dabble with TYT but it's just too much anymore. Most leftists have tried to rebrand themselves as centrists these days.

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>>139496027
Richard Spencer is Leftwing. He's only rightwing for the MSM

>>139499705

AiU had a decent video lately to give him credit, he called out Sam Harris' blatant Jewry.

Kind of sad what has happened to the post-Trump left, they're in a sort of psychosis. Sam is normally lucid enough to not look like a bloviating dogmatist but the Jew really comes out as of late.

>>139499981
Do you miss it? I meant Jimmy denounced it since it came up in the media and he doesn't come off as an anti-Trumper. He hated Hilary but that isn't hard to do. Pretty sure he was all in on Bernie and voted Stein. kek

>>139497868
1791L is top zozzle, but the high production value/video quality means low video output, which is unfortunate cause I really enjoy their vids.

>>139497868
Black Pigeon Speaks is good, but a fair warning to you; he's a black-piller and a giant weaboo

>>139500052

When I'm looking for opposing viewpoints (as to prevent myself from becoming a complete dogmatic retard) I just read. NYT (bad), Vanity fair (pretty decent), and The Atlantic (occasionally good).

TYT is obviously over the top, the left-wing infowars if you will.

>>139497518
True that mang.
Viking dude and Aryan grill are my favourite Swedes.
How they aren't v& and sent for Reneducation is beyond me desu.

>>139500021
thanks looks promising

>>139496027
jimmy dore is a dipshit but still is consistent and will call out obama and establishment dems.. would still probably suck bernie off tho

>>139500376
I kinda lost the ability to take Dore in any way seriously when he he spat on Alex Jones and then ran away like a little bitch. At least he saw through the blatant narrative-pushing that was the muh russia scandal.

What does /pol/ think of Libertarian Socialist Rants?

>>139496027
I guess I'm too far gone at this point, because I can't fucking stand to listen to anyone on the left, be it TYT or even mainstream crap like John Oliver.

I just find it so cringeworthy and can't help constantly critiquing it while watching it; it's probably how movie critics feel about watching most mainstream bullshit movies. It's just the same tired arguments and ideas that I've heard over and over again, all of which have been debunked, and the 'jokes' they have are nothing but preaching to their audience "drumphf!" "Trump is an idiot!" etc. If you don't already dislike Trump there is no value in it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/xaxie1

BadMouseProductions, an anarcho communist. He can be a little annoying but he occasionally makes some interesting points

>>139496027
Armoured Skeptic
TJ Kirk (The Amazing Atheist)
Sargon of Akkad
Sam Harris

If the Overton window was actually in the center, these people would all be to the left of it.

>>139500134
I was original AIU fanboy, 3 years ago when he started out. He's too far gone for me now though. I can't think of a single bridge he didn't burn.

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>>139496027
READ

BOOKS

YOU ILLITERATE BRAINWASHED IDEOLOGICAL NIGGER.

There are FEW if any worthwhile YouTube channels out there that aren't just rehashed infographics or pure bullshittery from completely uniformed talking heads. At least TV pundits have to pretend to be intelligent by having relevant degrees.

R E A D
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>>139496027
SAGE THE LEAF

>>139499713
Youtube became the new talk radio; it seems like anywhere that there is open access and open comments, or call ins etc, the left just cannot thrive.

I actually can understand how Google sees this as a problem, when anyone on the left gets shit on in the comments and the like/dislike ratios for all their videos.

>>139496027
Jason Unruhe

>>139500103
Because Spencer is actually a fascist, and Fascism is a growth from Marxism. All the original fascists were Marxists in their youth, but shifted the focus from internaitonalism to nationalism to unite people. Many fascist policies are distinctly more left-wing than so called progressive parties.

>>139496027
>there must be something

Even if someone tried it they would get attacked by the left the moment they left narrative.

Try Dave Ruben. Also Sargon but hes mostly a shit poster at this point. Also hes a terminal fedora.

Jordon Peterson kinda also.

>>139501056
Degrees are worthless and you know it, particularly the journalism degrees those morons hold.

The same people who write any modern books worth reading can be found on social media/youtube discussing their ideas anyway, why the fuck do you care about the medium they use? Go read the classics, sure, but those can be less relevant to modern times, especially concerning politics, which is supposedly what we care about on this board anyway.

>>139497203

Peterson is great but am I crazy or is he ready to cry during regular parts of his shit. Especially the more important parts of his psychological analysis of the old testament.

>>139500493
I became right wing because I found them looking for political podcasts to improve my English. Thanks to them

>>139496027
https://www.youtube.com/user/democracynow

>>139500861

>TYT, John Oliver

you need to find yourself some better propaganda, of course you're having a bad time with those

not all left media is that over the top and tired, though finding decent left wing outlets has become tired post-trump

>>139500975
fair enough, I only heard about him in during the election, enjoyed his anti-migrant stuff but he shilled hard for Hillary. Also didn't even know he was unb& from youtube until yesterday

generally speaking I don't like anyone who's that dogmatic and sure of themselves to the point that half their rhetoric is spliced with insults. I will spend months of my time reading books and gathering data to form an opinion about the smallest of issues, but after that im never insulting to people who have an opinion that isn't as well-informed as mine

also the fanatical approach to atheism is always off-putting, reminds me of reading thunderf00ts twitter bio and I cringe

>>139500503
no problem, let me know what you think

>>139496027
>there are none
This. Youtube is not a useful tool to inform yourself. It may serve as an introductory civic course for tweens but if you can't be bothered to pick up a book then at least read written articles. I suspect those right wing videos did more harm than good too.

The problem with leftist discourse is that since they run on censorship so much, it makes them unable to debate. Sure it wasn't like this all the time, you can read feminist literature, leftist books and so forth back when they actually had to prove what they believe in.

The left today is akin to the catholic church in the 16th century. Just like the printing block allowed protestantism to spread and was the bane of the catholic church, the internet is the bane of modern leftism today. At the end of the day it's all about how information is spread. Printed books decentralized and allowed more people to read the bible. The internet did the same thing - it decentralized information spreading and allowed more people to chip in their ideas/ideology and so the old institutions (in this case the mainstream media) are threatened by this. And they want to destroy it.

And because we are on the side of technology - the future belongs to us. The left today and all the media is lashing out, trying to censor everything and shut things down to no avail. Just like the catholic church tried to shut everything down in the 16th century.

Of course the catholic church wont dissapear - they just had to reform themselves. And leftism will have to do this too. They will have to relearn how to debate and get off the moral high horse if they ever want to get anywhere.

>>139501162
>Fascism is a growth from Marxism
This seems unjustified compared to the non-revisionist position that fascism was devised as a reaction to marxism and capitalism. Not an offshoot but people unsatisfied with either and ended up taking parts from both. As such it contains several policies considered both extreme right and left today.

Not that I disagree with you I just don't see any reason to believe it. Especially considering how easily people become disenfranchised with marxist thought as they grow older or see it in action. Can you tell me more of your reasoning?

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>>139501696

forgot pic related lel

>>139500966
>TJ Kirk
That fat faggot doesn't even accept innate race differences as fact.

https://twitter.com/amazingatheist/status/817132617501769728
https://twitter.com/amazingatheist/status/738572091151155200

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>>139496027
>I get my opinions from e-celebs
Read a fucking book. You can even do it on your computer nowadays.

>>139502117
This. The left is more a religious ideology than an intellectual discourse these days.

Most Conservative (what you might call Right wing) channels are the truth the manipulated media does not want you to know. If you want to go back to being radicalized and brainwashed go "left" but hopefully you are too awake to be suckered again.

>>139496027
Jimmy Dore is solid, though his sidekick Ron is a faggot of the highest order who I would happily punch in the face. Jimmy still thinks Bernie has principles, which is pretty retarded, but honestly he's redpilled about free speech, how this "Indivisible" movement is madeup bullshit, neoliberals are retards, etc. 8/10 channel Warning: this is the retard that spit on Alex Jones.

H.A. Goodman is fun. Genuinely a good guy that's gotten a little too redpilled about the absolute state of the DNC. Every video title is clickbait. Heavily pro-wikileaks, pro-Assange, etc. 9/10 channel. Genuinely fair to Trump, knows Russia story has no evidence, knows the racist angle is bullshit, etc.

saneprogressive is a major blackpill right now and she gets hammered by shariablue shills in the YT comment section trying to walk everyone back from abandoning the DNC. 6/10 channel, she seriously needs to get a small script and not just ramble for 50 minutes. But the content is good.

I cannot fucking stand Secular Talk.

>>139502233

He shit himself recently with his Sargon fight. His science stuff is alright I dont know if I would trust him on anything less objective like politics.

>>139496027
Potholer54 is good but the only controversial thing he talks about global warming

>>139501056
If you can't make an argument in a 30 minute YouTube video I'm sure as shit not reading your book.

>>139502867

Youtube falls victim to chasing views anon. And sensational bullshit. Also the best youtube political stuff is discussing books.

>>139502446
I wouldn't say that. I was talking more about how the development of technology changes who is in power over time.

The current mainstream 'orthodox' leftists who treat all dissenting thoughts as heresy - racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia or whatever phobia or ism they use to shut down opinions is the side to lose.

They will never be able to shut down the massive flow of human thought and ideas that the internet generates. They might try but it will never work. Just like how banning protestant books didint work for the catholic church.

What's scary to think about is that the protestant and catholic divide eventually trigerred mass scale wars that killed off 1/3rd of Europe's population. And you could say it was all because of technology - printed books allowed human ideas to flourish and spread faster than ever. And the Catholic church suddenly became oppresive with it's "the pope can do no wrong" and imposing it's version of truth of everyone.

Will the internet eventually do the same thing? The mainstream media and establishment still pull in large masses of people with their narrative.

>>139502393
I absorb material better when I listen.

>>139500431
A lot of us are. Once you go to Japan you can never unsee what we have lost.

>>139500052
>Most leftists have tried to rebrand themselves as centrists these days
They probably are centrists. Left behind as the left shifted to more extreme positions. A lot of people probably spent their entire lives on the left only to find themselves alienated by how far things have gone in recent years.

>>139496027
There isn't much, anon. After WWII, the right was so stigmatized by association with the nazis that the left won pretty much every battle, the right working, at best, as a temporary handbrake to their ambitions.

The only right that was ever considered acceptable in my lifetime, if still ostracized, is the 'taxes are too high, pls reduce them a bit' brigade. No affirmation of traditional values in law or pop culture.

This is why you'll have a hard time finding such arguments. They have a hard time themselves. See how ridiculous things have become with the hysteria surrounding trans people.

I will give you one guys. Go watch some debates between Destiny and right wingers.

Heres an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGJ67VXGXI

>>139496741
i tried but they sound like such massive faggots. like i almost felt gay because of how much estrogen they have.

>>139497518
Agreed. The girl is ugly though, let's be honest.

>inb4 hur dur brit women

>>139503537
I can't bear his autism, it's too much

>>139503794
I think she's pretty

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>>139501523
>Don't consult a doctor, this website made by John Doe has all the info you need to get better!

Books are more relevant than ever now, especially since many if the talking heads listed here are nobodies who decided to spout their opinions in front of a camera.

Tell me, do you know of the philosophical roots of "SJWism"? Do you know how it had it's foundations in Kant and later Hegel, and how the entire strand of continental philosophy has evolved over time to incorporate post modernism? Are you aware of Derrida, Foucault, or Lacan and their arguments for that movement?

For fucks sakes do you even know the history of Western thought and philosophy that you so vehemently claim to care about and defend?

Are you aware of the field of geopolitics? Have you read Clausewitz? Do you know who Henry Kissinger is or what he wrote? Do you know the importance of "The Geographical Pivot of History?"

Are you even aware of right leaning thinkers and their arguments? Do you even know the foundations or origins of the thoughts and ideas swimming in that brain of yours?

Tl;Dr /pol/ in general has about as much a grasp of "politics" as /v/ does of the intricacies of game coding and the underlying mechanics. Ie none at all to a very shallow surface understanding.

>>139500431
>>139502567
>black pill
Can anyone tell me what the fuck a black pill is?

>>139502867
Then you're an idiot and you sure as shit shouldn't be spouting off about politics.

>>139504085
if the redpill is revealed truth, a blackpill is revealed depression and futility

>>139496963
>jesus fuck
I know.
I can't.

>>139500431
>he's a black-piller and a giant weaboo

This is a huge exaggeration on both counts

>>139502233
>that bio

What a fucking pretentious wanker

>>139503114
Yep. I agree. I'm not devoting a day to reading a book without a decent summary of the arguments and potential solutions. I've read too much shit where the arguments are poorly formed or poorly supported and WAY too much shit where no solutions or pathways to meaningful progress are proposed.

Sorry I'm over it. I've got 3 bookcases full of books that I bought randomly and only a handful were good. I'm not buying some shit from Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, or Lauren Southern just to figure out for myself that it's shit.

>>139504683
that's one of the less offensive ones i've seen. twitter bios are absolutely the worst thing the internet has produced.

>>139504777

>twitter is absolutely the worst thing the internet has produced

FTFY

>>139504756
Read established thinkers for fucks sakes.

Who ever thought any of those people had anything relevant to say? They are only slightly above pure entertainers. Fuck did you miss the class on Western philosophy?

>>139496741
>>139503607

kek

>>139505029
I consider myself a pretty smart guy but I actually cannot read philosophy books. I hate how they're written in the most pretentious and impenetrable way.

>>139505307
Well then don't shit on books when the only things you read are mass produced garbage made for coffee tables and high school graduate boomers.

>>139496741
>listening to those Soyboy cucks that ripoff TRS
I hate TRS because they're a bunch of Jewish fags but at least they're entertaining and original.

>>139496027
>What are some far(ther)-left YouTube channels that actually present decent arguments?
I don't think there is any point asking that here, try /leftypol/

>>139505029
Yeah I'll be sure to read some Aristotle to balance out my Red Ice.

You sound like a fucking idiot.

>>139497871
>cringes at white identity politics
>realizes his mistake
>cringes at the JQ
>takes himself seriously

PROTIP: You're making the same mistake.

>>139505553
Says the man who gets all his regurgitated thoughts and talking points from uneducated millennial youtubers.

Stop being facetious and go read. You're only doing a disservice to yourself by not.

I can't watch any left wing material anymore. Anytime I try, it feels like I'm taking a step back in knowledge.

The only person I listen to now that calls themselves left is Scott Adams. But that's because he seems extremely unbiased, and the only reason he is left is because that's where his moral compass lies, which he says, everyone has a different one. So it's hard to fault him for that.

>>139497254
>>139497354
This is why I don't want to be considered part of the left or a liberal even though a lot of my views align with them, they never called out the radical and hateful elements within their own group.

>>139496027
>there must be something

No, there aren't.

Far left as you call it mostly Jew Nationalism.

It's a kind of Jew Nationalism that requires the complete destruction of the host Nations Traditions and Traditional Institutions and to achieve it it counts on the ingenuity and simplicity of lesser minds.

Therefore, there are only two types of commies: The ill intended and the stupid. Naivité may be part of stupidity.

Therefore you get 1984 style propaganda:

War is Peace (Look, Saudi Arabia is our ally, nothing to see in Yemen, Hezbollah and Iran are the real bad guys. Not to mention the Soviet... well... Russia!)

Slavery is Freedom (Look how liberalism and "equality" for all have created so much more freedom! We can all fuck hookers now! Find a decent wife to serve as a mother to your sons? What does it matter! FREEDOM!! Look! We have Iphones and Xboxes, who needs to know where the food we eat comes from! Look how we don't need to be in shape anymore, obesity is the new beautiful! FREEDOM! Nation building! FREEDOM! Immigration: FREEDOM!

I could go on wiith the financial system and how nationalism is atavistic and... and... but I'm tired now...

>>139505307
>I hate how they're written in the most pretentious and impenetrable way.
I don't know who you've tried to read. I can recommend Wittgenstein, Husserl, Heidegger, Leibniz, Anscombe, and Hume. Though the order should be something like
0) Leibniz 1) Hume 2) late Wittgenstein+Anscombe 3) Husserl 4) Heidegger 5) reread Leibniz

[later] Wittgenstein and Husserl/Heidegger were aiming at very similar things. If you're more intuitive, start with Husserl and Heidegger; if you're more analytical, start with Wittgenstein. But they all end up in similar places.

Hume is the best skeptic around and if you can't tackle Hume there's seriously no point in reading anyone after him because you will fail to understand why everyone works so hard on various points and they'll seem pretentious, fluffy, wordy, obtuse, etc. Hume is very readable. Get the whole Treatise, not excerpts. Hume is a world-destroyer.

ALWAYS READ THE PHILOSOPHER DIRECTLY never let some jew or jewpuppet tell you what the philosopher said. The philosopher said it as well as they could and that's that.

>>139501582
He's obviously extremely high in trait neuroticism. His lectures meander all over the place, and he'll often stare at the floor, or take long pauses while he talks about things from a very emotional perspective. He's also suffered from severe depression most of his life.
His enormous intellect and high conscientiousness keep him balanced though. Apparently he works 100 hour weeks.
>>139496027
I tried liking Huffpo on FB to get a "balanced perspective". It pretty much just radicalized me further because every time one of their shitty articles comes up on my feed I want to blow my brains out. At least they hate Israel I guess.

>>139505849
And yet many of them can make a compelling argument in a half hour. I don't even know why you're that hung up about this. Book reviews and summaries have been a thing for a long time. Essays, speeches, and debates also have been around for a long time. Preferring an essay to a book doesn't make someone ignorant.

You just sound like someone with an axe to grind against various media.

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>>139507013
THIS

But especially:

>ALWAYS READ THE PHILOSOPHER DIRECTLY never let some jew or jewpuppet tell you what the philosopher said. The philosopher said it as well as they could and that's that.

And especially don't take it secondhand from youtubers, even people like Dr. Peterson. You have to read and understand as much knowledge first hand as possible. Or else you run the risk of being a talking puppet regurgitating bullshit that someone else wants for their own greedy ends.

>>139507013
>read these 30 books
You can't be taken seriously by normal people this way. Nobody is going to give a fuck. If you've got such a deep understanding of this stuff make a video series and lead the discussion.

People don't even read the Bible and it's way more important and easy to digest than any of that trash.

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>>139507575
I'm not against book reviews or summaries or anything of that sort. In fact I find YouTube lectures and the like can be great *supplemental* material to whatever it is you are reading.

My issue is with people who only watch YouTube, especially only millennial pol tards like Lauren Southern, Black Pigeon, Sargon, etc... and taking their word as gospel.

They are the 21st century equivalent of boomers who took all their info from 24 news pundits in the last century. It severly hampers the discussion here as so many have such a shallow understanding of topics at best or are completely misinformed at worst.

>>139508223
*24 hour

>>139496027
I quite enjoy ContraPoints desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3XjRO4-kGk

>>139508058
>People don't even read the Bible
And thats why i avoid christcuck threads having been forced to read it in its entirity growing up. None of you know what the fuck your talking about

>>139501523
Yeah the point is to read books from BEFORE the rot set in, genius

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>>139508058
You are literally a parroting puppet for people far smarter than you'll ever be. You're being used and you don't even know it.

Why do you care if the West falls? You don't even understand it, it's history, or it's philosophical traditions which underly everything that made the West what it is.

>let's be proud of ignorance and stupidity!

>>139496027
Sam Seder to btfo lolbertarian talking points.

>>139508332
lol sophistry at it's finest

>>139504283
I can't even

>>139496027
Jimmy Dore.

>>139500610
I agree. He called out the Russian hacking story as bullshit, said the Clintons probably murdered Seth Rich. I respect him so much but whenever I watch him too much I end up raging at something he eventually says that I don't agree with.

>>139508925
This is the same kind of shit people pull when they say you need to read the Koran in the original Arabic to understand it. It's not the case with the Koran and it's not the case with any of the works you've described. There's nothing magical about the original author that somehow they're the only pure reading. Many people are likely able to take those ideas and run with them especially if they're so foundational to western culture.

>>139508058
>You can't be taken seriously by normal people this way.
If I wanted to interact with normies I wouldn't be on /pol/.

>>139509961
>There's nothing magical about the original author that somehow they're the only pure reading.
Of course summaries are viable. But who will you trust to make an accurate summary?

Would you rather watch a livestream of some free speech rally or just get the headlines from WaPo and CNN?

here are two commie channels i subscribe to who try and put out regular content

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-CDQ-MPUdBWcjB7SrD1HZA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDULjo1v2Hivuu4h4LZSTUQ

i argue with them all the time in the comments and one of them has blocked me from his channel

>>139496027
literally just search "feminism" "transphobia" "liberalism" or whatever you want a perspective on

link related I found just now searching "are men evil" :^)
skip to 2:10 for his actual argument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLIhy8Akz4Q

>>139502145

See, America is really fucked up in the way it sees "Fascism" as lefty or marxism derived.

America is really fucked up because it ceased to see itself as a Republic of basically Englishmen to start seeing itself as a Capitalistic Democracy of the liberal kind.

So, for most Americans, even intelectuals who can actually make a point, everything collectivist is left leaning, except the american army, even when it is used to Nation building (do you see how ridiculous it is?).

For Americans, a monarchy is always tyranical (a true monarchy where all the power derives from one man, who oversees the "life" of the Nation and has the power to steer it. Which has nothing to do with a classical "Dictator" of the likes we've witnessed in the XX century).

For americans, its okay for lobby-ists to exist. Americans can't see how jewed and prostitute like it is to have a bunch of guys - foreign and national - to actually buy the government into acting in a certain way.

However, americans will cry marxism! Communism! whenever they see an agremiation of workers, may it be artisans, university teachers, engeneers, whatever, having power in the mechanics of the political system.
As it used to be in the Diet of the Holy Roman-Germanic Empire or the Cortes of Portugal and Spain.

Americans can't also see how a centralised state has some advantages. Consider for instance the British Empire during Victorian times.

>>139510502
It's amusing that you think a live stream can't be a biased account.

>>139497868
Check out Millenial Woes

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>>139505474
Literally none of them are jewish.

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>>139509961
What the fuck kind of stupidity is this? A more accurate comparison would be should I read this or this translation or the original of the works of say Kant. You're saying I could get a full and complete understanding of Kant by having some young idiot who is mostly unqualified attempt to explain to me its profound complexities and importance in under 20 minutes with jump cuts and memes.

Plus if you want to understand the idea then you must follow it from it's source and grasp it on your own, not simply have someone else tell you how to interpret it for you.

And finally, let's be honest. Most of the youtubers under discussion hardly talk about these works or any of their importance. They are just talking heads who spout their unqualified opinions on current "news".

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>>139511681

>>139502145

Also Fascism in a way was a post materialistic system. Contrary to Marxism, and yes Capitalism.

So, in that vain, Capitalism is closer to Marxism, and therefore is more left leaning than Fascism.

If you consider Fascism a system in which the material economy is secondary to the "spiritual", or at least it tries to have the economy and materialistic nature of it to serve a purpose. Instead of considering it an end on itself.

To be materialistic is to be left wing. As if humans need more things after their basic necessities are met than they need honour, love, glory, pride, you name it.

Even the right wing Austrian School Economist Friederich Hayek saw that in the current state of Civilisation the state had an obligation to offer to its citizens a degree of health care and protection from poverty/unemployment if possible.

Why do America think that is leftism?

(I know, I know... but you should not have opened your doors like that so that any help to the poor is actually a wealth transfer)

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>>139511222
>It's amusing that you think a live stream can't be a biased account.
??? We're talking about philosophers' original works. They're obviously biased towards the very viewpoint they espouse. That was not the point of the comparison. Try again.

>>139500861
I can't read or watch MSM news anymore after what they did to Trump during the Presidential election and afterwards. I wasn't even supporting Trump, but when (((they))) turned on him around August last year I knew something was up and decided to check him out and that speech he made in Florida in October was what convinced me he was the real deal.

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>>139508332
I just watched his(?) video on alpha males. Well, I honestly can't argue with any of this...

>>139496180
Yeah, I'd love that, I wouldn't have to hate anyone, my mind and soul would be way more clean and peaceful.

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>>139496180
This.
You have to realize the so called "leftists", "liberals", or "progressives" are a sham and a usurped identity, the same way neo-cuckservatives are in no way representative of proper conservative values.

Traditionally, true progressives were typically the ones to question the status quo, and suggest (in their view) superior alternatives. Like true scientists, they needed both strong ideological belief in a yet unproven concept, and the reasoning skills to demonstrate the validity of that conceptual model. Oh, and the humility to recognize when their precious model was at odds with facts and reality, and drop it/rethink it earnestly.

They were the thinkers of civilization, and conservatives were the builders and the backbone. True progressives were eager to engage in social experiments, and if it was demonstrably superior to the previous paradigm, it was adopted by the conservative mainstream slowly overtime through osmosis, or more rapidly in times of crisis. If it didn't work, people suffered, to the chagrin of the conservative mainstream footing the bill, and the premise was dropped/rethought completely in actual uncensored philosophical debate, to analyse what went wrong, what was proven true and what was proven false, etc.

Today's so-called "leftists" argue for social change on a MASSIVE scale, on the basis of a premise (multicultural utopia) which as been proven false in many recent studies, and also historically when studying the fate of empires. And yet they won't debate: they censor critique, and they reject the facts that don't support their flawed premise.

They are completely insane. They are pushing a false ideological model, proven to have caused untold misery in the 20th century alone. They believe in the model, but reject any and all science debunking that model. They are fundamentally anti-science and anti-truth, and thus anti-progress. They are mentally unhinged nation-wreckers at best, and traitors and enemies at worst.

>>139496741
Nope, can't do it. I have a loaded gun right next to me and I'm not going to tempt myself.

>>139501648
Democracy Now - boring af the last time I listened, but not SJW narrative, pretty fact-based. Right? Still? Hopefully? To think, they used to be far left.

>>139507013

Why bother with those guys (a few of them are Great, by the way) if you have no or little knowledge about

1) The History of Rome
2) The History of Ancient Greece
3) Ancient Greco-Roman "Philosophers" (and Historians, and Military Leaders and Poets, they all expose some philosophy)
4) Early Christian "Philosophers"
5) Évola

Really without the ancients. Without a firm understanding of the ancients, the "moderns" are flimsy.

P.S. - I don't read serious books becaue I know they would mess with my head to deeply. I was actually offered to graduate in Philosopher by a Philosopher teacher here though. A "great" one. He's unfortunatey a marxism and a commie and a liberal.

>>139511310
Woes is self-identified alt-right - race realist, JQ'd. Very concerned about the decline of white demographics.

>>139512171
Good post. Most would consider me a liberal, but I can still see the value of working together with conservatives instead of just calling for their destruction. I feel like most liberals don't want to admit that they've been wrong about some things and drove people away from their ideas, so they become rabid and attack the "others" to justify themselves.

>>139511845
I don't actually know what comparison you're trying to make. You're comparing your curated reading list to a live stream and I guess you lost me. The reality is that there's likely another hundred authors whose work is shit that you'd also need to read if you were genuinely trying to make an accurate picture of how those ideas came about.

People don't have the time to read everything or know everything and it's helpful to have those ideas curated. You could watch 500 hours of live stream footage from 100 different sources OR you could have one person boil it down in a 10 minute clip. I'm saying that for most 'happenings' and most ideas it's a much better to start with the 10 minute clip and if you're seriously concerned about it you can dig into the source material later.

You fell into this same routine with your preferred list. Everyone will fall into it unless their scope is obscenely narrow. Just embrace it and move on.

>>139512472
I have no objection to understanding history both from a political and philosphical sense, but in many ways they are very removed from us.

>>139496027
I watch some but I don't want to give them publicity.

>>139496741
FUCKING WHITE MEN LIKE FUCKING TRUMP FUCK ME FUCK

>>139504066
(You)
What do you recommend I read to understand where our nations underlying philosophy went awry

>>139512171
good read, imma save this for later

>>139504683
>>139504777
sadly there's a lot of self infatuated arseholes in the physic community e.g. Veritasium and Steven Mold.

>>139496027
BadMouseProductions, LibertarianSocialistRants, Xexizy, azureScapegoat, Mexie, Garrett, TheFinnishBolshevik

>>139511736
My point is that even you are not following the idea to its source. You're only following it to a point where it becomes inconvenient to you personally.

It's okay for that bar to be significantly lower for other people. It is much better that you have the ideas of Kant as translated into English. It is much better that some rando YouTuber have the ideas of Kant as translated by some random YouTube content creator.

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>>139505029
i red alot 10 years ago and it was great, so many redpills for a young blue-pilled mind. But I came to the end of it, in a kind of law of diminishing returns way.
I would say that I've gained nearly as much vital info on the broad patterns of the world and people from the internet as I have from books.
Books are better for highly technical subjects, such as maths or electrical engineering.

>>139512472
Why stop there? Surely you can't understand the west without understanding the Kangz that built it.

>>139496027
I only want the liberals to drown in Harvey.

I have zero feelings for their side as a whole, because as a whole, it wants to take away my birth rights in the Constitution as outlined. Both the 1st and the 2nd. Due to this, I will never feel any compromise.

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Every left-wing deviation from normal thought is based on anger and victimhood. There are no logical arguments.

Dave Rubin does pretty good interviews

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>>139496027
Jimmy Dore is the only one I can think of that atm is not screeching Russia autistically.
However most of his videos keep calling on some progressive youth revolution that will not happen because libs keep on taking bait identity issues that alienate literally everyone else, but Dore himself cannot call them out on that for fear of losing his audience

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>muh "other side"
>muh left-right spektrum
There is no left-right spectrum anon. A spectrum is a scale encompassing all possibilities between two poles. "Left" and "right" are not the poles of any coherent kind of ideological spectrum. They are two random and ever changing grab bags of views, many of them overlapping, many of them with no opposite in the other grab bag. The idea that the "left" and "right" represent the two poles of all possible political belief is a mind trap designed to keep you from considering things without reference to frameworks and ideas as handed down by the ruling class. Why do you not understand this?

>>139496027
Try as you might, you will find no rational arguments on the far-left. Contrary to popular belief, left versus right is not subjective, it's not about the difference in opinions. It's quite literally objective truth versus delusions. Rationality versus hopeless idealism. Pragmatism versus acting on emotions and only living in present.

>>139515255
>The black guy has an argentinian flag

hahahahaha lol

>>139496180
this
fpbp

>>139496027
you can never have rational arguments if you're wrong. the moderate left have some good arguments, but far leftism is based on factually incorrect axioms and every argument they make requires believing verifiably untrue premises.

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You are a socialist.
You need to die.

I've clearly explained the economic genocide and how it will work.

I'm not debating or negotiating with you.
I never was.

I might get some shit for this but I actually enjoy watching Bill Maher. I like that he brings people on from all angles of opinion and actually lets them talk.

>>139519068
Did you see when he invited Coulter on during the primaries?